PreSonus StudioLive 32SC | Initial Review from a Worship Leader and Sound Guy
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In this video, Jake and Spencer walk you through what it was like getting the Presonus StudioLive 32C up and running at church for the first time. They talk about what the board is like, how easy it is to implement, and some of the downsides this digital board faces.
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Jake. Am glad you are there to help. For our church we have gotten away from Presonus mixers. Hopefully you can get this one to do what you need.
I have fully used the allen & heath qu-32, barely controlled the m-32/x-32 but always used them in my praise concerts and no matter what my heart still goes for the allen & heath qu-32. Now this gets me so excited hearing about this easily accessible features of this board especially as a worship leader/sound guy who does both work on a sunday service.
Jake, AVB is an open and free standard that is designed to replace protocols like Dante. It is supported by multiple vendors (for example, you can integrate MOTU audio interfaces from their AVB line with your system) and has much better latency guarantees than Dante. It's also supported by modern Macbooks without any extra software.
Not quite open... Only "certified" switchers and network gears work with it, and there's no "AVB virtual soundcard" for Windows... F*CK to OS discrimination
If you’re wondering when the engineer is given time to speak, it’s at 5:15 and the word is “ya”
lol!
I came here a year after my first watch to yell It supports Dante now!!
nice work brothers, thx for your time n teachings
Very nice review! Wish our church can change to this one if we are going to change it
Not going to lie, I wish i could get that board. My church bought an X32 2 years ago which was a big step up for us, but now our worship team is outgrowing it from a monitor sends standpoint. Presonus has always been a great innovator, but when we bought our board I couldn’t justify the extra 2500 to get a studio live 3 32 channel. Thanks for the great video!
Josiah Koop use an X32 rack as a monitor board
Great work guys
I'm not even through the video but just want to say thanks! I lead worship for a medium sized church and am looking into this console. Great video! Content like this is helpful for guys like me who are mainly worship leaders but are still in charge of running production and training production team members.
glad we can help! thanks for watching.
I'm sure you'll give your guest a chance just to say 'Hi' within the first 20 seconds of greeting your viewers. Amen.
Allen and Heath sq5 next plzz!!
At our church, because we have a mobile setup that has to be set up and tore down every week, we use the Presonus 32R rackmount mixer. It works great! We have a dedicated Wi-Fi router for it, and we have not had any issues controlling it solely with an iPad.
The only issue that I wish that they would update in its firmware is that I wish they would give it the ability to multitrack record to the built-in SD card slot like at the newer Studiolive mixers can.
Well, I joined the Presonus Series III Facebook group, and apparently, with the new firmware, the 32R can now multi-track record to the SD card slot! Woohoo!!!
Hey Jake! Love your videos. Very informative.
What is your intro music?
I just ordered one. Can you please do a tutorial for live stream? Thank you for these tutorials.
Great video
Great staff
A screen upgrade may justify a hike in price. For the quality of sound and ease of use, Let's be content and joyful the New PreSonus is amazing.
For sure.
Any chance you can do a video on what FXs Ur using with the SL32c? Like settings u use and what the various settings do?
This loud music intro almost blasted my ears off!
Hi churchfront, thanks for your sharing. You did mention in the video that when you connect to computer via USB. It bypassed the mixer gain structure. Can you elaborate a bit more? When you say 'no clue', does it mean that you can't see the input gain level? Does it mean that gain structure has to be done on the computer?
Know I'm a year after original posting, but going back and watching old videos of yours bc it's good content! With this board sounding better (more clear, and crisp as you said) than the M32, I have a question. Depending on which stage box you use is going to change which quality of preamps you get with the X32/M32. If your using the S32 stage box (the x32 version with Behringer preamps on the digital snake, which is what I've seen you use on your channel) as opposed to the DL32 (the M32 version with Midas preamps on the digital snake), have you compared the Midas Preamps to this Presonus? If so, between the Midas and Presonus, which would you say is better?
I don't know if someone has already asked this question? Why did you change from your Midas M32R? They appear to have a lot of the same options. Thanks.
I have experience with the full sized M32, it is a great sounding board for the price.
How about an update on how things are going.
I purchased an Allen & Heath SQ-5 for my former church. It addresses--and has none of the downsides you mention--of the Presonus. To be honest, the SQ-5 has had teething problems with production quality due to its immense success. That's why it's important to register the unit for warranty issues. All of the Allen & Heath SQ series have developed a very devoted following. Having the heart of A & H's D-live series, it has more processing power and options than the Presonus could even dream of. Once you begin using the drag-and-drop touchscreen to build a custom control layer as you describe, or fall into the quick left-hand right-hand operational use of the SQ-5 console, it's hard to go something else without spending a lot more money.
I love your passion, but this review has the earmarks of someone who was bedazzled by bells and whistles and didn't research other brands in the same category. Head to a local music store to see if there are floor models to "kick the tires" before purchasing. My personal bias is that I'm an Alllen & Heath fan and consider that my go-to console of choice--analog or digital. ;) ;)
@@ImmanuelEverettLCMS Hello there! I honestly can't give you too much since moving on from my former church more than two years ago. If you search around on TH-cam, there are many well done videos of mixing workflows for the A&H SQ series.
How did you setup your headphone amps? I have the the Presonus hp60, and I’ve been looking at buying this setup for our church, just wanted to know exactly how to setup the in ear monitors.
Do you think it's worth spending additional 800 to upgrade to the 32S? Fat channel module and bluetooth + extra channels and knobs? Main use is for a rehersal/recording studio + ocasional live use.
Looovve this!
Don’t know if you live in Australia but our church surely needs some tech savvy improvements
RASCALBEATZ PROD. I live in Melbourne and just did a big upgrade to our church sound, focussing on using tech to make things better and easier. Give a shout if you want to chat through some ideas for your church.
Lol, pretty sure they don't live in Australia 😂
They live in Colorado.
can you make a video of basics for the presonus 32sc
what do you think about the SQ line? I mean I know that SQ ist better than TF and I don´t even think that is subjektive it is just better but how fits this in this range of small about 2000$ mixers that are in there smallest config all rack mountable?
In the SQ all layers are fully customizable and you do have like 6 pages
Presonus reps on the Facebook page are teasing an avb to Dante solution FYI. Also waves is coming with a wsg to avb unit that they just showcased. If you're not a part of the series III Facebook page and own this console you really should join!
They should hurry up and come out with it before I sell this PreSonus and get the Allen & Heath SQ
Haha, I agree they should hurry it up! On a side note the SQ is a very nice board. I own presonus for rentals, but the SQ is one I recommend for churches when doing quotes for installs. Just stay away from the QU... might be one of the most frustrating family of consoles I have used. That said if presonus can find a way for a solid dante integration I might start recommending them. (PS Love what your doing with this channel, we need some good youtube church audio review and best practice channels like yours!)
I will like to ask a question about the mixer. Since it does not have a LPF like the Midas or X32 mixer how can one effectively dial in Low pass on channels and Aux/Flexmix
Was considering this board until I realized they are set on AVB over Dante. Dante is the industry standard. On most consoles they provide a Dante card you can swap out. I’ve used presonus before but this kills for me.
I have an RM32AI at my church. And the only reason I don’t want to upgrade to series iii is that I can use many plugins live from studio one pro. The firewire 800 is still very fast to do all of it. I have a ton of plugins for instruments and vocal. The USB 2.0 on the new console (or rack) is just not going handle multiple tracks with live plugins. So needless to say, I am waiting for the next generation with thunderbolt connection (I hope). Once you go with plugins, the DSP on any console isn’t good enough IMHO. You just have to get a powerful PC to host Studio One Pro and all of the plugins. I use a lot of plugins by Waves and natives S1 as well.
I'm gonna disagree with you there. We have both an RM32AI and 32R at our school. The 32R can do 64x64 usb while the RM32 is more restrictive. I've done 32 channel recording as well as many live plugins with the 32R. Practically, the bandwidth is about the same because of firewire overhead
It’s actually the other way around. The FireWire architecture is peer to peer and with it, the overhead is less than USB which is master-slave type. The point is even the bandwidth is similar, which I highly doubted, I didn’t see the benefit of upgrading to the series iii. I still appreciate you telling me about your experience with the USB2 was good. But from my research, everyone said FireWire is better. Who knows if they found a way to optimize USB2 for the 32R. Thanks
We have a StudioLive 32S and wondered if there is a way to use a footswitch to turn the effects on/off. This board does NOT have channel inserts.
Hey my church has the exact same one as this video just that it has a little but more pass the main fader , though is like the only thing we have up to date we don’t have any led lights we use song show plus which is not the best to be honest we are currently updating our stuff but they are taking quite some time to do changes (I’m the media dictator in my church) hopefully soon in enough we will get Pro present because when I first started doing media they already had gotten song show plus but after few months using it I noticed it wasn’t beneficial for our worship and preaching please pray for my church that everything happens through God and that we get Pro presenter!
Hey can you'll make a video with the Dante box of this
Mixer ?
What happened to putting the links for the mixer and stage boxes in the description?
Why did you get a new mixer and are you selling your old one?
When you say that your in ears are mono, what does that mean? Can you still pan instruments and vocals left, right or center as you please?
no. mono means you can not pan. means one aux send is going to your ears
What is the name of the phone app. You use to connect in pre sonus. For ear sound
They have a AVB and Dante device that communicate with each other now right? (PreSonus AVB-D16 16x16 AVB-to-Dante Bridge AVB-D 16) ?
Presonus offers now Dante with the AVB system. There is a video on the Presonus page here.
LOL
Hey, is this mixer compatible with a dante network?
Now, which is the best ?
Behringer X32
Midas M32 (almost the same as the X32)
Or now the Presonus 32SC.
I will be happy to see a comparative video between these mixers. It will be very helpful for me to make a good decision.😁👍
Midas M32. The pre-amps are the best. The workflow is simple. The X32 is a cheaper alternative.
Forgot all that the Allen & Heath Qu or Sq or the Yamaha TF is the best
I recommend that u buy the x32 and then buy the midas stageboxes .. so u have the better preamps but what i would suggest that u rent these consoles and try them .. its up to u .. I would go with the behringer and midas
Thanks you guys, your answers are very helpful. 😉👍🙏
@@sonordrumx2718 u are very welcome .
What road case are you using for it?
///// Hello Hello , clear it to me please, the console is 32 channel and only have 16 xlr input , where should i connect my microphones if there is not more xlr inputs ?????? greetings from Perú /////
And now Waves is making an AVB to Soundgrid bridge, so if you wanna run Waves Plugin’s..... yippee!
Where is it? It's probably gonna be super expensive. The Dante one is $1500
@@Churchfront They announced it at one of the recent Expo's (they did a video with Rick Naqvi of Presonus). But, they said it's being built and priced and would be available shortly. They had the working bridge and showed it off.
@@Churchfront TH-cam here, this is a diff video...
th-cam.com/video/FA6XWtW-aJE/w-d-xo.html
Oh look a drum booth. I see you're doing things right
Make sure youre using the appropriate WiFi router as well. If you’re not then you’ll have connection issues with your devices.
Hi, do you have a review on yamaha tf3?
Not yet
I purchased a STUDIOLIVE 32SC and I have a MacBook Pro 2020 and THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. I contacted tech support and there is no way to solve it and they won’t give me my money back as it is a "Apple Issue". I lost my money and now I need to purchase an older MacBook to make the mixer work.
dsp means digital signal processor
When are you going to make a video about the SQ series of Allen and heath
When I have a spare $7k to get my hands on one and the digital stageboxes for it.
Churchfront with Jake Gosselin It’s not that expensive. The sq 5 is under 3k plus the 24 channel digital snake which is 1k. We’re talking no more than 4.5k
@@erick8a51 well in that case I'll pick one up today. super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Churchfront with Jake Gosselin savage. I love it.
Maybe music group aren't bringing out any new "X32/M32" because it just works so well? having said that they still do firmware updates and have improved the quality of the boards over time.
yea thats awesome ..
I am on the inside, being a reseller for Behringer/Midas. The truth is that Behringer for years had a bad rap of knocking off Mackie and was actually sued by Mackie. They also had really horrible quality control and atrocious customer service. When they merged with Midas (Music Group) and became a US based company, they decided to totally rebuild the Behringer name and make it a staple for church sound. In fact most of the people that work for music group are heads of ministries in their own churches. They are dedicated to always updating their current lineup, but they are also working on a new systems they're hoping to release in 2020 or early 2021. The difference is is that before they would just roll out boards without really testing their quality and making sure they work perfectly. Now they're focusing on being innovative and a leader in the digital console world. They can only do this by maintaining the excellent reputation they have built with the x32/m32 lineup and making sure the next lineup is just as affordable and dependable.
Hopefully they have improved the touch screen responsiveness (barely works) and the "recalling" of the master gain for the channels. On our StudioLive 32 we have to go to each channel and move the master gain up by one and then back down by one to sometimes get a channel to work, We will be looking at other manufactures once we get tired of having to do this fix.
Did you end up sticking with the Presonus? Or did you switch back to Berhinger?
Lieb Johnson I think they sold it to buy the Behringer Wing
So, you guys no longer use Audio Fusion System for monitors?
Correct
We have a more recent version of this console and the touch screen still isn't very good.
Dear sir this mixer inbild soundcard..?
Do you think the clearer sound was AVB vs Dante?
I don't think I can tell the difference
@@Churchfront I've used the Behringer X32 and older PreSonuses. The PS was easier to navigate but used to be stuck with the inputs hard coded to a fader. Good to see they have the ability to patch it now.
Yes. Compare it to the X23.
video coming soon
That mixer alone is $3700 here in Australia :/
Speaking of audio, why are the intros always 7000000db above the rest of the audio?
Just to make sure you’re awake
My church is looking into buying a new mixer, we were going to go with a behringer x32, but now that I'm seeing this, is this the better option we should consider?
X32 is better I think.
@@Churchfront Can't wait, it comes in tomorrow!
Towards the end of the video, you claim you wish it had compression... what does the COMPRESSION knob do?
He's talking about specific types of compression, like on the X32 where you have a compressor on each of the individual channels, but you also have a compressor in the effects menu when you're trying to get a certain sound.
The StudioLive series III consoles do have multiple compressors and equalizers based on classic models as an expansion pack. These classic modeled compressors and eq's are also available on every channel as they are part of the fat channel.
Ugh, I really wanted to watch this and see what it was about but can't past the "worship this" and "worship that". It burns!
Lol
I know, right, lol.
I sell Presonus boards and I personally never recommend them. They have a huge problem with their WiFi chips and faders going bad. I've sold hundreds of x32's and have only one returned. Presonus however, for about every 10 sold, 1 or 2 gets returned for defects.
Your probably right with the older models but not with new series III mixers
@@jaredhill3347 Not true at all. We're seeing the new boards returned just the same. We used to promote Presonus exclusively, but have gone to not even advertising them at all. We only order them when someone requests it.
@@LoneChairProductions I have not heard of any series III mixers being returned for wifi chips bad, or touch sensitive faders not working especially since the series III do not have wifi dongles or chips, now they have had firmware updates released with problems but presonus has been working on the issues and making the necessary changes. What are the issues you have come across for the new boards to be returned.
@@jaredhill3347 Mainly they have been returned for the whole board freezing up. They still have problems with the faders glitching and DCA problems.
@@LoneChairProductions thanks for the info. Maybe they will fix it in a firmware update, or they have already.
HEADS UP THAT INTRO MUSIC IS STUPID LOUD...
“This board is amazing!” “But it lacks everything a good board has!” I love it guys! Haha. It’s a good board for the price, but the SQ would kick that out of the park. You don’t even know what your missing out on. The SQ is baby Dlive (digico)! Way more I/O, better UI, and dante! All from a digico. Give it a month and you’ll want to move on..
D-live is Allen and Heath
D B A&H is owned by digico, and made by digico
@@wessleystern1773 Audiotonix owns all of them.
www.audiotonix.com/our-brands/
My personal opinion on this new board:
It is a lot similar to old good A&H iLive.
First of usable digi console from that manufacturer, way better sounding than other consoles at it's age, flexi mixes, horrible touchscreen and glitchy app. The only difference is that iLive is now more than 15years old and like c'mon.
Some inspiration came from Soundcraft SI series (the newer one).
They have added some things that are really useful (but other consoles already have it) like user layers, flexi mixes.
And combined it with some "we know what you need" bullcrap (not supporting dante, few built-in fxs, DCA fader follow, not enough hardware controls)
I have had hands on this console and presonuses previous consoles as well as M32 at some events.
I agree that it sounds better than native M32 (but when you know how to treat midas with some processing on master you get way more better clarity).
But I wouldn't buy the presonus.
I think that some faders will die in a short amount of time (thanks to flexi only mixes and DCA follow) - M32 has got faders designed by guys from Midas, which have some experience (Pro series has got the longest lasting faders I know), Presonus in the other hand haven't built one really reliable console yet, their faders (even not motorized) were a joke in terms of life span. The last thing you want is having your console on repair for one month (talking from experience with presonuses services).
Anyways thanks for your video,glad to see using your churches wealth to experiment and encourage and teach others that doesn't have that possibilities.
in my opinion, mixing inside the box is the best thing to do only for 300 dollars and you can do everything... they should stop making digital mixer and focus more on rack units with more DSP FX
I agree! I thought the console is bulky. It takes too much space. Once I went with the RM32 touchscreen, the whole sound station reduced to just 1 or 2 monitors. I can even run studio one on a remote PC and display it at the sound booth for control. I don't see any reason to go back to a large console. The idea of having a console in front of a sound guy is old and gimmicky now - not to mention that if you have a console, you still have to have a computer next to it to handle other tasks like playing back stereo tracks and other setup that would be to clunky to do on the console.
Not everyone especially volunteers with little to no experience will want to sit on a PC and not see everything that is going on. Something happens, not as easy to Fix / Correct for the new guy.
Even with my decent Experience (Peavy's from the 70's) I much prefer seeing it all right there, no menu's, everything right there. This mixer is a good mix, allowing newer and Veteran sound operators to get the job done and done well.
for beginners who have no idea how it works
ummm, so you "upgraded" yet you still don't use it?
I think this is a good review that is helping me to make a buying decision. That said, one of my pet peeves is the frequent and completely unnecessary use of the word "actually". The worship leader here uses it over and over, and multiple times in a sentence. And each times he uses it, it's completely unnecessary, as leaving it out wouldn't change the meaning of what he is saying at all. We all have vocal tics, and we all sometimes use the unnecessary "actually". But we all aren't presenting ourselves as professional or influential speakers. I almost stop listening when a speaker is so unaware of what he is saying.
Dear people !!
Turn down the volume as soon as you play the video , otherwise you are going to be scare as hell in like 4 3 2 1...
I click here for the engineer to explain, not the artist to explain about what engineer do. Let the engineer talk.....
lol check out the other video he did last week on this channel. 30 minutes of only engineer.
Allen & Heath SQ5 sounds better, is more advanced and flexible. And can handle up to 48 channels.
The 64s handles 64 channels
Dlive is better cause it have more options then that board
I'll go pick one up. Let me go sell my house first.
@@Churchfront i know the software version of dlive is free...
Churchfront with Jake Gosselin Oof. Got em. For real though. Only 30x the cost, no problem! But, an SQ is a baby Dlive (digico), so worth the 2k!
Bryan Skinner but it takes a 20k mixrack to use it? 🤔 grandma2 software is free too! Pick me up a free one of those if you find one
@@wessleystern1773 no thanks i like dlive better then anything else...
It's not full digital, it's both.
Y'all wast time doing a bunch of talking.
Use third parties VST. Which can be map to it.
That hyper cat squalling background noise is VERY distracting!
Typical church environment... The "worship leader" never shuts up always thinks the know more than the audio engineer, regardless of that engineers skill set. Why was their audio guy even in the video? I kinda felt sorry for him after watching it... That's why I quit doing church audio years ago. I do audio for a living and I got sick and tired of feeding the egos of "worship leaders" who think they know everything because they took "intro to technology 101" years ago at seminary...
Seems like a common theme. I am one of two sound and video techs at my church. Both of us have college degrees in Electronics Engineering Technology, with decades of training and experience doing sound, I also have several decades of training and experience in IT. Yet our worship leader who has no training in any tech, nor music for that matter, will not listen to either of us about anything. She is actually quite condescending about anything when we try to discuss anything with her. The stage noise from monitors is such that we could run without FoH speakers on and still get 85 dB at the booth almost 100 feet away. Are we allowed to balance and turn down the stage monitors? Heck no. It gets really frustrating when your 'leader' knows nothing about leading nor respects the experience and knowledge that the "peons" in the booth bring.
mix that shit better
ok not christian at all. i respect. but let other ppl speak pastor. u not the second coming of christ brotha