I can't blame Ace at all. I had a really well-paying advertising job in 1991. I got promoted with a major jump in pay , but I was certainly killing me. I worked Saturdays and a few hours Sunday. I couldn't sleep since my mind was whirling with dread upon going back to work Monday morning. I got a lot of flack from my family and friends when I went to a minimum wage job. Eventually, I started making a good living doing what I wanted to do. Glad Ace is still alive.
The original band was what I wanted to hear, when I was a kid. When they got back together in the 90's, I saw them twice. Ace is the coolest member. Always.
Another Ace fan here...but everyone who was there will you that the Creatures of the Night tour shows were the hungriest, energetic best shows we ever attended. We all missed Ace, but at the end of the day, it was fantastic. The DR is not exaggerating. Fierce stuff
According to Gary Shea all the songs on 'Lick it Up' were all the songs in VV earlier band just song titles changed re-arranged new parts new lyrics. Ace rules!
People can say whatever they want. The fact is, the original line-up were the best Kiss ever got. The band kept going, but it was boring. They made money, which is what it was about by the time the originals split. But the only Kiss worth hearing today came from the original line up.
kind of disagree bc kiss with ace and eric was cool and later in 2002 with ace and eric singer( check out the off the board recording) even kiss symphony with peter and tommy was cool
Creatures was definitely the best kiss tour I've ever seen I wish there was some professional shot vidio of that tour I wish I could go back in time and see that show again kiss kicked ASS
Ace is awesome & will always be my favorite member of Kiss. I get a little tired of him fighting with Gene & Paul, and would like to see them all bury the hatchet.
Ace was the sh*t back in the day. His playing made the Kiss sound as far as I am concerned. And that's because he played with so much feeling. He had to because he couldn't read music.
@@chrisoakley5830I agree Chris...I personally wasn't interested in Kiss after Ace left...he took his sound with him...and those albums without him...well I couldn't care less about them...and I know Vinnie is good player ...just not the style which I liked about Kiss...then when the first Frehley's comet album hit ...well I was very happy to say the least !
I've said it before I'll say it again, the only Kiss member who still has my respect is Peter. He retired and went away quietly and lives a peaceful existence. Meanwhile Ace, Gene, and Paul all still bicker like school girls.
Put a microphone in front of Peter and watch the BS flow from his lying mouth. Were you to believe him, he’d be the only talented composer, musician and performer in that band. It’s always someone else’s fault, including when he beat up his wife Lydia.
Saw Kiss 75,76,77,78,79. Stop going to see them after Dynasty. Saw them again on Kiss Alive 35. The reason I went to that show was Modern Day Delilah. Even though I live in North Carolina, the Virginia Beach Station was playing it and I liked it. Loved the concert too. When my daughter was 4, took her to see KISS. Paul Stanley threw guitar picks at her until she finally got one. Adults were all over her keeping her from getting one. When we went to seem them the next tour, Gene Simmons was back stage and you could see him during the DEAD DAISIES show. A guy came by and said, here is a pick from Gene Simmons for your daughter. She was 6 or 7. So, in my eyes, the guys are great. However, Dressed to Kill Kiss is the best.
Aw man , some adults just suck :( . Glad to hear Gene and Paul were very accommodating. I saw them 10 times through the years , would have been 11 had they not cancelled Creatures of the Night tour in Asheville. My understanding was the Plasmatics were opening for them at that time , figures :( Anyway , i thought the Hot in the Shade tour was one of the best that they did. Made sure to see it twice.
For me Motley Crue opened up on the Creatures Tour (playing Shout at the Devil before its release), and that was in and of itself amazing. Add to the mix Vinny, and the show was one of the best in spite of no Ace. Me being the Ace fanatic was also won over by how awesome they sounded. Before the encore, they invited everyone from the nose bleeds to the floor where I made my way to about the 3rd row. So many good memories with KISS.
Kiss would have probably faded completely out if Ace had stayed. The reason I feel that way is because Kiss became a business in the 70's. Nobody was talking anymore. Gene was trying to get in movies, and making investments all the time. Paul didn't talk to anyone either. Eric Car was just along for the ride. Ace's song writing wasn't strong enough to keep Kiss on top. Gene and Paul wasn't writing much back then either. The quality of the magic was over after "Love Gun" But I do agree that Vinny damn near wrote all of "Lick It Up" and I believe he only wrote 3 songs on "Creatures" but he wrote my Favorite none makeup tunes with "Young & Wasted" & "Not For The Innocent" damn those songs rock! Not a single song on "Dynasty" can compete with those.
KISS'S Farewell Tour would have happened in the early 80's had Vinnie not joined when he did. ALL KISS FANS should thank VV for his contributions in helping make KISS relevant again when they were down for the count. FACT!
I was never into non-makeup Kiss.The original lineup is the only thing that matters to me. Ace is a fukkup, everybody knows that. But the original lineup, I will always think they were great....
The first time I found out that Ace was no longer in KISS was AT the Palm Beach Auditorium, when Vinnie showed up on stage instead of Ace..... I too, was BLOWN AWAY by how GOOD the Plasmatics were. I had never heard them before but, I knew they were punk rockers & had mohawks. I was expecting them to suck but, was surprised by how awesome they sounded. I don't think they stole the show from KISS but, they clearly held their own against them. I ran out & bought Coupe De Tate the very next day. It's cool that we were at the same show. There's no way to know but, it would be cool if we actually passed each other up. I was in the 8th. row on the floor, slightly right of center stage. If you were anywhere in that area & you saw a guy with pupils the size of quarters, that was either me or one of the 3 guys & came with.
Ace Frehley has engineered his own misfortune and poverty thousands of times. Gene and Paul's drive and professionalism were the only reason he remained remotely productive. The fact that he was a founding member of one of the most successful American rock bands of all time and still owes millions to the IRS tells you everything you need to know. Ace was an incredible talent from 1972-1978 but he couldn't get out of his own way and his laziness and arrogance cost him dearly.
Ace's addiction and living in the fake KISS bubble after The Elder got the better of him. Creatures should've been Ace's return to form with Carr behind the kit. But it wasn't to be.
Right around the time he pawned his Prized 59 Les Paul so he could go Gamble at a Casino . By all accounts Ace old 59 is considered to be one of the top 5 Vintage Bursts in existence. It does sound mind blowingly great.
@@TimothyWarner-q7s And if it wasn’t for the makeup, Kiss wouldnt be. They were at best average, with Peter Criss as the one standing out. Ace had a few fine chops, but nothing of the extraordinaire. Admitted, he improved a lot during the Kiss years and at the Frehleys Comet too, but from that it went downwards and today he’s embarrassing bad.
He's delusionally speculating...again. Gene and Paul did MORE than alright without him. It cost Ace WAY more to NOT be in KISS - why do you think he still has to perform?
The subject is the contract signed with Polygram in 1980. This is very explained and discussed in the awesome book " Kiss and Sell", released in 1997. Kiss lost money and they even sued their label in 1982.
Kiss and Sell is, in my opinion, the best of the Kiss books. It really gives a whole different look at what was REALLY going on. Not some made up "bigger than Life" BS that Gene or Paul was always trying so hard to sell us on.
Biggest mistake in the career of a musician has always been to overestimate himself in importance to a failing band. Vinnie may have saved KITH as well as Eric Carr did, but unlike Carr, Vinnie, an experienced career professional musician, expected to be recognized and properly compensated for his contributions, but maybe he should have spoken to Ace to find out why he quit before wasting his time in that band. Yes, the long solos were a nuisance but then again, KITH at the time was an aimless band that no longer led but followed trends, clumsily. At the time and even now, Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent were the best and most talented members of the band’s history aside from Ace Frehley.
He should’ve just taken them up on it and left to get help do a solo album and return better then ever. Peter and Ace just ruined it for themselves and the KISS legend. But then KISS came back stronger and better then ever even after a few times being let back in.
Of course the lawyer "got it," seems Ace was the one who didn't "get" that the only reason the lawyer even talked to him was because of the money. Also, while I used to enjoy Kiss "drama," read all the books and so on, it has gotten really tiresome lately - around the start of the "End of the Road" tour, I'd say. Should've shut up, all of them. And like Fukk says on the video, Ace kinda ruined his image with the begging. Us fans knew that G&P would never take him back, but somehow Ace didn't. In the end, when it comes to the personal stuff, I have most respect for Peter. He actually complimented the other members in his book, too, while Paul certainly didn't, and even took credit from the works of Sean Delaney and Dennis Woloch.
Now we know why Paul Stanley went to visit Ace and took him to the Mall and spent the day with Ace at his house. It was a 7.5 Million fake friend sympathy performance.
Glad I got to experience the show of the original 4 in ‘96, but because of Ace’s vices and his lack of practice, and Peter’s lack of ability as a rock drummer, it was a letdown the next two tours. Great “shows” but the music wasn’t what it could have been. But - people still blame Gene & Paul for everything. You know, the two who carried on twice without the other two. May not have been the same, but they did. Ace did ok (and finally sobered up - far too late), and Peter pretty much disappeared.
I place Gene and Paul of KITH on a par with Paul McCartney and Axl Rose: they went through a million musicians at the studio amd onstage because they all quit. These professional musicians just could no longer tolerate the diva like unprofessional behavior of their famous employers. This also is a reason why KITH went through so many producers in their careers existence. Paul Thtanley was the type of puto that desperately called for a severe byatch-slap but Gene was like John Lennon, all wind and no action. Ace, despite his many faults, was many times the voice of reason musically speaking, but even he couldn’t work with those two Hebraic club clowns anymore.
"Hebraic Club"? That's not the point. Ace's addiction💉+🥃was so dramatic that he could have killed himself. No matter in which band. Do you think in a Catholic band he would have been a different person? Ha! His personality is in his DNA. Paul and Gene have nothing to do with it. Only Ace's parents and grandparents and and and. Ace was born suicidal. He needed professional help.
Ace was my favourite member of KISS, however, he was pretty miserable at the time he left, so I'm glad he did. Just one thing tbough, please Ace, remove that ridiculous wig.!! Loved listening, great work my friend. 🇦🇺
Unfortunately Tod will never see any of that money. I never knew anything about Ace except what the magazines said back in the day, but when Ace put out his book, he told everyone just how bad his character really was/is - and he's totally oblivious to it. After reading his and Peter's book, they both became worthless to me as people.
I’m sure Ace looks back on the “farewell tour” as more of a farewell to Gene and Paul, because he claims they were control freaks and too difficult to work with, and he wanted to get away from them. Would Vinnie have lasted longer in the band if Paul had sat him down and read him the riot act before hiring him?
Peter was fired but he still had partnership till 1986 Ace quit and Gene and Paul bought him out from that point on every KISS member became an employee of the band
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A mixup at 3:20. In the video here it claims Gene told Ace to stay and still have a solo band whereas other sources say it was Paul. Which one is correct?
15 million in 1982 for an aging band with two previous flop albums (at least in U.S) and an increasingly dwindling fan base. 15 million in 1982 is like 50 million now. Really Ace? Really? I dont believe this claim
When you were in hospital you mentioned many people (Aleks from Serbia etc). Are they real? And you asked: "Where are the comments?" Now I'm going to write you one. I like "Monster" a lot too.
Ace and Peter both screwed themselves out of a lot of money by quitting, (or getting fired) from the band, and have nobody to blame but themselves. They should have gotten clean, improved their lifestyles, and improved their playing, but they did not do that. They both probably thought they were going to be "big stars" after leaving, but that did not happen. Ace makes no sense when he talks. Look up the video from '93 where someone recorded him arguing with his manager. He looked like he was at rock bottom and I bet he couldn't wait to get back in KISS.
I used to feel sorry for Ace, yet his whiney ego shit as of late is tainting everything I ever thought of him. He is just as out of touch as Gene and Paul have been.
Yeah honestly I've soured on Ace too. His live performances are unbearable and he doesn't care or doesn't realize it, and on top of that his ego is off the charts.
The only one of the original four that still has his integrity intact is Peter, thank Gawd he shut his mouth and bowed out of the drama, he did his wining but we don't hear him bashing his replacements
KISS never recovered from losing Vinnie. They recovered quickly from losing Ace (with Vinnie) - musically and image-wise. By then the public was tuned out. But we who were there thru those lean years remember Vinnie WELL from the time. Mark and then Bruce were watered down with no songwriting prowess or vocal ability. So they really lost out with Vinnie, although he was also a nightmare for Paul. Gene would have kept Vinnie any day...Paul always wanted to be the best guitarist in KISS.
They were four members and yet there’s only two multi multimillionaires… I simply do not believe the Paul and Gene unfairly kept Peter and Ace down. It must’ve been maddening to work with them.
@@alexvigil29 I think it's evident that we realize they squandered so much that they aren't as wealthy, hence why Tony said he understood why Paul and Gene found it difficult to work with them. Too unstable , in my opinion. anyway .That said , If the money was split equally , it shouldn't have mattered if Ace was in the band or not. 7.5 million for 2 or 15 million for 4 still should equal the same for each. Tells me Paul and Gene were taking more and that wasn't fair.
@@Protometal66 they left or were fired and gone for many years , Paul and Gene kept the band going for years , in no way did they deserve equal pay when they returned
Yeah he did messed up. But I thought it was a good idea. Because he would’ve been miserable . I liked Monster album. It’s their way to say Goodbye. I liked it more better than Sonic Boom 💥. By far.
More then likely he is talking about when he heard them first. AC/DC and the NWOBHM was not really heard in America until 1979. I know me and him are about the same age, and I was a huge KISS fan as a little kid (8years old in 79) and they were the first hard rock band for our ages. The others got famous/broke out and we left KISS and the disco pop shit they were making with Dynasty and Unmasked behind to follow Saxon, AC/DC, Motorhead that made it way to American radio around 79-80.
AC/DC didn't have a album in states until "Highway To Hell" shortly after that they imported "Dirty Deeds" and then "High Voltage" People that aren't in the know about that can't know what Ralph was talking about. But I'm close to his age & I remember that.
I found out Ace wasn’t in KISS the night of the Creatures of the Night concert in Corpus Christi, TX. I was 13, it was my first concert, and I was totally numbed out…..until I heard Vinnie Vincent play. Then it was Ace who????
Meanwhile, Tommy Thayer did his duty, showed up to the gigs on time, didn’t show up wasted and performed up to expectations every night, which have made him a very whealthy man.
Ace is in bad shape let's be honest. For whatever reason he simply cannot perform on a professional level live. He knows it too! When you hear his go to excuse "I have a fever" don't expect much. He is only out there because he owes IRS money AND his ego keeps telling him he is great! I am amazed that his band has put up with it as long as they have. He has lost a great deal of weight in a hurry and that usually means bad things. I hate to see it happening and wish nothing but good things for ACE.......I thought the Plasmatics were INCREDIBLE as well!! That's who I was there for in first place!
@@agoogleuser992Right , saw them in 87 , 89 , 92 and everytime the coliseum was packed. Actually had to sit almost behind the stage at the Animalyze show.
I feel Ace has been selfish, blinded, and surrounded by small time yes-men since his departure from KISS.. he’s had some good recorded material, but you’d never tell from his live shows: same with KISS at the EOTR tour. Both ending their careers on a weak note musically.
Their popularity waned for sure but i was happy to still be a fan. I love Dynasty , Unmasked and The Elder. I still play those cds as much as any of the esrlier material
Monster and Sonic Boom are two of the worst pieces of shit I've ever heard... any genre... Love most of their other stuff though, esp Lick it Up and earlier.
I can't blame Ace at all. I had a really well-paying advertising job in 1991. I got promoted with a major jump in pay , but I was certainly killing me. I worked Saturdays and a few hours Sunday. I couldn't sleep since my mind was whirling with dread upon going back to work Monday morning. I got a lot of flack from my family and friends when I went to a minimum wage job. Eventually, I started making a good living doing what I wanted to do. Glad Ace is still alive.
The original band was what I wanted to hear, when I was a kid. When they got back together in the 90's, I saw them twice. Ace is the coolest member. Always.
Another Ace fan here...but everyone who was there will you that the Creatures of the Night tour shows were the hungriest, energetic best shows we ever attended. We all missed Ace, but at the end of the day, it was fantastic. The DR is not exaggerating. Fierce stuff
Cool vid. Great shout outs for the Plasmatics. RIP W.O.W
According to Gary Shea all the songs on 'Lick it Up' were all the songs in VV earlier band just song titles changed re-arranged new parts new lyrics. Ace rules!
People can say whatever they want. The fact is, the original line-up were the best Kiss ever got. The band kept going, but it was boring. They made money, which is what it was about by the time the originals split. But the only Kiss worth hearing today came from the original line up.
kind of disagree bc kiss with ace and eric was cool and later in 2002 with ace and eric singer( check out the off the board recording) even kiss symphony with peter and tommy was cool
So true
You’re the reason Ace shows up to shows that way. Sad for his band mates no matter who he plays with.
Creatures was definitely the best kiss tour I've ever seen I wish there was some professional shot vidio of that tour I wish I could go back in time and see that show again kiss kicked ASS
Totally agree. Great show.
Ace is awesome & will always be my favorite member of Kiss.
I get a little tired of him fighting with Gene & Paul, and would like to see them all bury the hatchet.
He walked away from $15 Million!!!!
It had to take a lot to walk away from that. Gee I wonder why....and no it wasn't just the work schedule I'm sure. 😂
Ace was the sh*t back in the day. His playing made the Kiss sound as far as I am concerned. And that's because he played with so much feeling. He had to because he couldn't read music.
When Ace left, the sound of KISS went away, when Ace released his solo albums in the 80s that sound came back.
@@chrisoakley5830I agree Chris...I personally wasn't interested in Kiss after Ace left...he took his sound with him...and those albums without him...well I couldn't care less about them...and I know Vinnie is good player ...just not the style which I liked about Kiss...then when the first Frehley's comet album hit ...well I was very happy to say the least !
Thats not uncommon among rock guitarists. Especially from that era.
70s ace can't be touched
Those Chuck Berry licks that Ace played still say more than that Vinnie Vincent crap, and I like shredders....just not VV
I saw kiss at the West Palm Beach Auditorium on the Asylum tour it was awesome
Was WASP warming up?
I've said it before I'll say it again, the only Kiss member who still has my respect is Peter. He retired and went away quietly and lives a peaceful existence. Meanwhile Ace, Gene, and Paul all still bicker like school girls.
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Yep. Peter is the only one I respect at this point. The rest of them are d-bag drama queens.
Put a microphone in front of Peter and watch the BS flow from his lying mouth. Were you to believe him, he’d be the only talented composer, musician and performer in that band. It’s always someone else’s fault, including when he beat up his wife Lydia.
Peter is the least vocal of the band but, he's talked trash about the rest of KISS more than once.
Saw Kiss 75,76,77,78,79. Stop going to see them after Dynasty. Saw them again on Kiss Alive 35. The reason I went to that show was Modern Day Delilah. Even though I live in North Carolina, the Virginia Beach Station was playing it and I liked it. Loved the concert too. When my daughter was 4, took her to see KISS. Paul Stanley threw guitar picks at her until she finally got one. Adults were all over her keeping her from getting one. When we went to seem them the next tour, Gene Simmons was back stage and you could see him during the DEAD DAISIES show. A guy came by and said, here is a pick from Gene Simmons for your daughter. She was 6 or 7. So, in my eyes, the guys are great. However, Dressed to Kill Kiss is the best.
Aw man , some adults just suck :( . Glad to hear Gene and Paul were very accommodating.
I saw them 10 times through the years , would have been 11 had they not cancelled Creatures of the Night tour in Asheville. My understanding was the Plasmatics were opening for them at that time , figures :(
Anyway , i thought the Hot in the Shade tour was one of the best that they did. Made sure to see it twice.
For me Motley Crue opened up on the Creatures Tour (playing Shout at the Devil before its release), and that was in and of itself amazing. Add to the mix Vinny, and the show was one of the best in spite of no Ace. Me being the Ace fanatic was also won over by how awesome they sounded. Before the encore, they invited everyone from the nose bleeds to the floor where I made my way to about the 3rd row. So many good memories with KISS.
Kiss would have probably faded completely out if Ace had stayed. The reason I feel that way is because Kiss became a business in the 70's. Nobody was talking anymore. Gene was trying to get in movies, and making investments all the time. Paul didn't talk to anyone either.
Eric Car was just along for the ride. Ace's song writing wasn't strong enough to keep Kiss on top. Gene and Paul wasn't writing much back then either. The quality of the magic was over after "Love Gun" But I do agree that Vinny damn near wrote all of "Lick It Up" and I believe he only wrote 3 songs on "Creatures" but he wrote my Favorite none makeup tunes with "Young & Wasted" & "Not For The Innocent" damn those songs rock! Not a single song on "Dynasty" can compete with those.
KISS'S Farewell Tour would have happened in the early 80's had Vinnie not joined when he did. ALL KISS FANS should thank VV for his contributions in helping make KISS relevant again when they were down for the count. FACT!
I was never into non-makeup Kiss.The original lineup is the only thing that matters to me. Ace is a fukkup, everybody knows that. But the original lineup, I will always think they were great....
All the true legends were fuckups for the most part,that’s what makes them so endearing
Ace never begged to be in kiss
My dad find out ace wasn't in the band when he got to the venue to see the creatures show
The first time I found out that Ace was no longer in KISS was AT the Palm Beach Auditorium, when Vinnie showed up on stage instead of Ace..... I too, was BLOWN AWAY by how GOOD the Plasmatics were. I had never heard them before but, I knew they were punk rockers & had mohawks. I was expecting them to suck but, was surprised by how awesome they sounded. I don't think they stole the show from KISS but, they clearly held their own against them. I ran out & bought Coupe De Tate the very next day.
It's cool that we were at the same show. There's no way to know but, it would be cool if we actually passed each other up. I was in the 8th. row on the floor, slightly right of center stage. If you were anywhere in that area & you saw a guy with pupils the size of quarters, that was either me or one of the 3 guys & came with.
Ace Frehley has engineered his own misfortune and poverty thousands of times. Gene and Paul's drive and professionalism were the only reason he remained remotely productive.
The fact that he was a founding member of one of the most successful American rock bands of all time and still owes millions to the IRS tells you everything you need to know.
Ace was an incredible talent from 1972-1978 but he couldn't get out of his own way and his laziness and arrogance cost him dearly.
I would love to have a good quality audio of the creatures of the night tour with vinny on guitar
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Ace's addiction and living in the fake KISS bubble after The Elder got the better of him. Creatures should've been Ace's return to form with Carr behind the kit. But it wasn't to be.
I totally agree I wish Ace was on creatures or apart of creatures
Well said.
Right around the time he pawned his Prized 59 Les Paul so he could go Gamble at a Casino .
By all accounts Ace old 59 is considered to be one of the top 5 Vintage Bursts in existence.
It does sound mind blowingly great.
For all Ace's faults the one thing that remains is if it wasn't for Ace's guitar playing kiss would have never been 😮
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And if it wasn’t for the makeup, Kiss wouldnt be. They were at best average, with Peter Criss as the one standing out. Ace had a few fine chops, but nothing of the extraordinaire. Admitted, he improved a lot during the Kiss years and at the Frehleys Comet too, but from that it went downwards and today he’s embarrassing bad.
He's delusionally speculating...again.
Gene and Paul did MORE than alright without him.
It cost Ace WAY more to NOT be in KISS - why do you think he still has to perform?
The subject is the contract signed with Polygram in 1980. This is very explained and discussed in the awesome book " Kiss and Sell", released in 1997.
Kiss lost money and they even sued their label in 1982.
Kiss and Sell is, in my opinion, the best of the Kiss books. It really gives a whole different look at what was REALLY going on. Not some made up "bigger than Life" BS that Gene or Paul was always trying so hard to sell us on.
CARR, ACE LASTED UNMASKED , ELDER so what if it costed simmons
Vinnie was pretty good until he started that awful million notes per sec. BS.
Biggest mistake in the career of a musician has always been to overestimate himself in importance to a failing band. Vinnie may have saved KITH as well as Eric Carr did, but unlike Carr, Vinnie, an experienced career professional musician, expected to be recognized and properly compensated for his contributions, but maybe he should have spoken to Ace to find out why he quit before wasting his time in that band. Yes, the long solos were a nuisance but then again, KITH at the time was an aimless band that no longer led but followed trends, clumsily. At the time and even now, Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent were the best and most talented members of the band’s history aside from Ace Frehley.
@@manolokonosko594KITH?
He should’ve just taken them up on it and left to get help do a solo album and return better then ever.
Peter and Ace just ruined it for themselves and the KISS legend. But then KISS came back stronger and better then ever even after a few times being let back in.
This is a kickass video.
Monster was good in a sense that it was heavy
When reached for comment, Gene Simmons said "What the hell, it's only money." (This quote can't be confirmed). 😂😂🤣🤣
Of course the lawyer "got it," seems Ace was the one who didn't "get" that the only reason the lawyer even talked to him was because of the money.
Also, while I used to enjoy Kiss "drama," read all the books and so on, it has gotten really tiresome lately - around the start of the "End of the Road" tour, I'd say. Should've shut up, all of them. And like Fukk says on the video, Ace kinda ruined his image with the begging. Us fans knew that G&P would never take him back, but somehow Ace didn't. In the end, when it comes to the personal stuff, I have most respect for Peter. He actually complimented the other members in his book, too, while Paul certainly didn't, and even took credit from the works of Sean Delaney and Dennis Woloch.
Now we know why Paul Stanley went to visit Ace and took him to the Mall and spent the day with Ace at his house. It was a 7.5 Million fake friend sympathy performance.
Glad I got to experience the show of the original 4 in ‘96, but because of Ace’s vices and his lack of practice, and Peter’s lack of ability as a rock drummer, it was a letdown the next two tours.
Great “shows” but the music wasn’t what it could have been.
But - people still blame Gene & Paul for everything. You know, the two who carried on twice without the other two. May not have been the same, but they did. Ace did ok (and finally sobered up - far too late), and Peter pretty much disappeared.
I place Gene and Paul of KITH on a par with Paul McCartney and Axl Rose: they went through a million musicians at the studio amd onstage because they all quit. These professional musicians just could no longer tolerate the diva like unprofessional behavior of their famous employers. This also is a reason why KITH went through so many producers in their careers existence. Paul Thtanley was the type of puto that desperately called for a severe byatch-slap but Gene was like John Lennon, all wind and no action. Ace, despite his many faults, was many times the voice of reason musically speaking, but even he couldn’t work with those two Hebraic club clowns anymore.
"Hebraic Club"?
That's not the point.
Ace's addiction💉+🥃was so dramatic that he could have killed himself. No matter in which band.
Do you think in a Catholic band he would have been a different person? Ha!
His personality is in his DNA.
Paul and Gene have nothing to do with it. Only Ace's parents and grandparents and and and.
Ace was born suicidal.
He needed professional help.
Vinnie saved Kiss, you’re damn right he did!!
I was so out of touch with KISS at the time, I remember seeing the ankh dude and just going wtf is going on?
Ace is my favourite, no question! But when it comes to the solo on Doctor Love... I *have* to give it to Vinnie!
Doctor love was Ace.
@@jameshughes6049 - You misunderstand; Search for VINNIE VINCENT, DR LOVE, BRAZIL 1983 and you'll see what i mean.
@@jameshughes6049 - I mean Vinnie's live version from 1983.
@@peppermintspacecapsule9898 Oh, gotcha. To me, Vinnie butchered Ace's melodic solos.
@@jameshughes6049 - Yeah, Ace's sound was the best fit for Kiss over all, in my opinion. 👍
Ace was my favourite member of KISS, however, he was pretty miserable at the time he left, so I'm glad he did. Just one thing tbough, please Ace, remove that ridiculous wig.!!
Loved listening, great work my friend. 🇦🇺
Dude could u imagine Lick it up with Ace on guitar 🤘
REVENGE is the best nonmakeup album
I think it's one of the best Kiss albums, makeup or not.
My pick for best non-makeup album is Carnival of Souls. Actually it’s my favorite album of all time.
I was talking to Tod Howarth and John Regan in 2017, and Tod told me Ace owed him alot of money. From memory it may have been like 90k or even more?
Unfortunately Tod will never see any of that money. I never knew anything about Ace except what the magazines said back in the day, but when Ace put out his book, he told everyone just how bad his character really was/is - and he's totally oblivious to it. After reading his and Peter's book, they both became worthless to me as people.
Totally agree w/ you. Tod will never see any of that money.
@@rich52569Yeah , all 4 of them , not the heroes i thought they were back when i was teen. Practically worshipped the band back then.
Vinnie Vincent was amazing with Kiss, wasn't he - just a shame both "sides" couldn't have reigned it in for a few more albums....
I’m sure Ace looks back on the “farewell tour” as more of a farewell to Gene and Paul, because he claims they were control freaks and too difficult to work with, and he wanted to get away from them. Would Vinnie have lasted longer in the band if Paul had sat him down and read him the riot act before hiring him?
Vinnie was asked to join but refused.
Is Paul really a finook?🕺
U2 has to be one of the least Rock n Roll Rock bands to ever exist
Peter was fired but he still had partnership till 1986 Ace quit and Gene and Paul bought him out from that point on every KISS member became an employee of the band
That's what started the hate.
Ralph hey I've been a huge fan of yours for 10 years and counting...I'm 54 years old and grew up listening to the similar stuff you did...I have written an 8 song album about Greek mythology that is in the vien of early 80s heavy metal 💙 I'm going to be finished with the album by October and was wondering if you would like a CD for free..please let me know man I'm not a musician like you but I'm an old school metalhead that has rhythm balls and percice timing and I think this album ffffing rocks ..let me know bro
Sure man. And I am not a musician either. Just a headbanger. \m/
@almosthuman56 Dude...I've heard your stuff and YES you ARE a fffing musician man
@@johndiamond4088 haha. Well cool if you see it that way. :)
Ace was no longer in kiss when he had that car accident in the delorean
We almost lost Ace when he crashed his Delorean. Paul Thanley from KITH still holds a grudge over the 15-million dollarth
Paul thanley of kith won’t he happy with this video lol 😂
We're all winners if we listen to KISS and not U2
A mixup at 3:20. In the video here it claims Gene told Ace to stay and still have a solo band whereas other sources say it was Paul. Which one is correct?
15 million in 1982 for an aging band with two previous flop albums (at least in U.S) and an increasingly dwindling fan base.
15 million in 1982 is like 50 million now. Really Ace? Really?
I dont believe this claim
Gibs me 10 million and I will never sleep!
It starded with a Kiss and got hotter than hell whith me dressed to kill and Ace got me into the Ozone
Ralph did you do ther Bob Seger Sunburst video featuring Kiss and Seger?
When you were in hospital you mentioned many people (Aleks from Serbia etc). Are they real?
And you asked:
"Where are the comments?"
Now I'm going to write you one.
I like "Monster" a lot too.
Ace and Peter both screwed themselves out of a lot of money by quitting, (or getting fired) from the band, and have nobody to blame but themselves. They should have gotten clean, improved their lifestyles, and improved their playing, but they did not do that. They both probably thought they were going to be "big stars" after leaving, but that did not happen. Ace makes no sense when he talks. Look up the video from '93 where someone recorded him arguing with his manager. He looked like he was at rock bottom and I bet he couldn't wait to get back in KISS.
I didn't know Ace quit. I thought he got fired.
Ace was never fired
VV may have saved KISS, but VV is not saving himself.
Vinnie Vincent was the worst member KISS ever had.
I used to feel sorry for Ace, yet his whiney ego shit as of late is tainting everything I ever thought of him. He is just as out of touch as Gene and Paul have been.
Yeah honestly I've soured on Ace too. His live performances are unbearable and he doesn't care or doesn't realize it, and on top of that his ego is off the charts.
He's definitely getting there, that's for sure.
he's full of himself.
The only one of the original four that still has his integrity intact is Peter, thank Gawd he shut his mouth and bowed out of the drama, he did his wining but we don't hear him bashing his replacements
They get old, they have nothing to lose anymore. No holds barred. I propose a universal mandatory retirement for everyone over age 65.
When they played that show you were at, was Vinnie in his make up?
yes
And this is why Gene and Paul are multi-millionaires today and Ace... isn't(!!) What a brain!
KISS never recovered from losing Vinnie. They recovered quickly from losing Ace (with Vinnie) - musically and image-wise. By then the public was tuned out. But we who were there thru those lean years remember Vinnie WELL from the time. Mark and then Bruce were watered down with no songwriting prowess or vocal ability. So they really lost out with Vinnie, although he was also a nightmare for Paul. Gene would have kept Vinnie any day...Paul always wanted to be the best guitarist in KISS.
Two homos in the same band? Only the Pet Shop Boys pulled that feat successfully.
Probably had some big bucks in the bank & didn't need it.
They were four members and yet there’s only two multi multimillionaires… I simply do not believe the Paul and Gene unfairly kept Peter and Ace down. It must’ve been maddening to work with them.
I've said for years after reading Ace & Peter's autobiographies I can understand why Gene & Paul wouldn't want to work with them.
You do realize Peter and ace made multi millions also and squandered it , ace has had two bankruptcies
@@alexvigil29 I think it's evident that we realize they squandered so much that they aren't as wealthy, hence why Tony said he understood why Paul and Gene found it difficult to work with them. Too unstable , in my opinion. anyway .That said , If the money was split equally , it shouldn't have mattered if Ace was in the band or not. 7.5 million for 2 or 15 million for 4 still should equal the same for each. Tells me Paul and Gene were taking more and that wasn't fair.
@@Protometal66 they left or were fired and gone for many years , Paul and Gene kept the band going for years , in no way did they deserve equal pay when they returned
@@alexvigil29 Apparently you didn't pay attention to the video , the 15 million dollar contract was offered before the FIRST time he left.
Yeah he did messed up. But I thought it was a good idea. Because he would’ve been miserable . I liked Monster album. It’s their way to say Goodbye. I liked it more better than Sonic Boom 💥. By far.
Ace also still claims he leased the right to his makeup 😂 he doesn't
AC/DC new wave of heavy metal ? Wtf..they formed in 1973 & toured with Black Sabbath
More then likely he is talking about when he heard them first. AC/DC and the NWOBHM was not really heard in America until 1979. I know me and him are about the same age, and I was a huge KISS fan as a little kid (8years old in 79) and they were the first hard rock band for our ages. The others got famous/broke out and we left KISS and the disco pop shit they were making with Dynasty and Unmasked behind to follow Saxon, AC/DC, Motorhead that made it way to American radio around 79-80.
@CharliesTrousers-od3lt No shit. In America they didnt do shit till Breaking the Law in 1980!!!
AC/DC didn't have a album in states until "Highway To Hell" shortly after that they imported "Dirty Deeds" and then "High Voltage" People that aren't in the know about that can't know what Ralph was talking about. But I'm close to his age & I remember that.
Why do I think they're going to get back together for 1 offs?
I found out Ace wasn’t in KISS the night of the Creatures of the Night concert in Corpus Christi, TX. I was 13, it was my first concert, and I was totally numbed out…..until I heard Vinnie Vincent play. Then it was Ace who????
Ace was weak and stupid but still blames Gene and Paul.
I love Ace but he has been acting goofier than ever lately..and that's saying something. That wig he's wearing these days is atrocious.
Meanwhile, Tommy Thayer did his duty, showed up to the gigs on time, didn’t show up wasted and performed up to expectations every night, which have made him a very whealthy man.
I love "Monster" it's a great album!!!
Ace is in bad shape let's be honest. For whatever reason he simply cannot perform on a professional level live. He knows it too! When you hear his go to excuse "I have a fever" don't expect much. He is only out there because he owes IRS money AND his ego keeps telling him he is great! I am amazed that his band has put up with it as long as they have. He has lost a great deal of weight in a hurry and that usually means bad things. I hate to see it happening and wish nothing but good things for ACE.......I thought the Plasmatics were INCREDIBLE as well!! That's who I was there for in first place!
Can anyone provide undeniable proof of who owns what in regards to the make up, ,leased , sold, borrowed, provided your links/ websites or whatever
Look Ace, I love you and Peter Criss, but Kiss did just fine financially without the both of you
No, they didn't. KISS was broke in the 80's, almost bankrupt. They didn't really recover financially till the reunion tour pretty much.
@@jameshughes6049you can't go through 1982 when Ace left until 1996 when the reunion happened without financial gain, they did just fine
@@jameshughes6049 you can't go through 1982 when Ace left until 1996 when the reunion happened without be financially ok, they were fine
@@agoogleuser992Right , saw them in 87 , 89 , 92 and everytime the coliseum was packed. Actually had to sit almost behind the stage at the Animalyze show.
Nothing to do with KISS is “news”. They are the past tense. That band doesn’t exist anymore.
@@ScottMasson then don't watch
I feel Ace has been selfish, blinded, and surrounded by small time yes-men since his departure from KISS.. he’s had some good recorded material, but you’d never tell from his live shows: same with KISS at the EOTR tour. Both ending their careers on a weak note musically.
Those costumes in this vid look like the second-string, rarely bought Shogun Warriors we played with about that time.
Paul Thaaatanley thays It’s all bullthiiit
wtf did it matter ? After the 70s KISS were a dead issue . W, or W/o Ace
Their popularity waned for sure but i was happy to still be a fan. I love Dynasty , Unmasked and The Elder. I still play those cds as much as any of the esrlier material
Monster.....with Cheater Criss and Fake Frehley 😂
But they sound good 👍 on "Monster".
Monster and Sonic Boom are two of the worst pieces of shit I've ever heard... any genre... Love most of their other stuff though, esp Lick it Up and earlier.
I think one of them sucked and one of them was ok. I don't remember which is which though.
KITH thucks!
At least you didn't say KISS is SSIK!