to give you a little help with the lore: the Valar (elvish/the powerful): there are 13 of them. Morgoth was the most powerful one, but he is not longer count as one of them. the Maiar (elvish/the beautyful): many thousands, maybe millions. Most of them are in service of one of the Valar. Sauron was a Maiar of Aule (the Valar of Smithery/he created the dwarves), Gandalf was of a Maiar close to the Valar Nienna (the Valar who changes grief into wisdom). The real (Maiar) name of Gandalf is Olorin. the Balrogs: very, if not the most powerful serverants of Morgoth. Most of them had been destroyed at the battle at the end of the first age. At least one escaped. Numenor: the Island was a gift to the three houses of men who fought with the elves against Morgoth. However, most men fought for Morgoth. the twins Elros and Elrond: Were born during the wars of the first age. Let's say they had a harsh youth. They are grandchildren of Beren and Luthien (the most important story of all of Tolkien's works/the original Aragorn and Arwen). Beren was a human. Luthien was half elvish, half Maiar. Their grandsons Elros and Elrond could choose their faith, either to live a mortal life, or to be an elf. Elrond picked one side, Elros the other. Elros became the first King of Numenor. He had a very long life of 500 years. His direct descendants were the only humans who had longer life spans, Aragon, for example. ps: I wanted to use layman's terms in this little summary. And I tried to keep it as short as possible. It's purpose was only to help Justin a little. Please feel free to add anything of interest.
And what a pitty it is that in 3 episodes none of the canon facts you said have been included in the show (by design) this is the age of schism. Bravo and EXSURGE TOLKIEN to you. Our current audio series has some fantastic Tolkien quotes you love.
Like someone else commented, in the eons before the First Age, Melkor/Morgoth manipulated and corrupted Elves to create Orcs, and Ents to create trolls.
They're not really jealous they're afraid of dying because it is know what happens to the elves when they die from combat for example they stay in the world as spirits but men when they die it is unknown where they go. The ironic part is that the elves call mortality the Gift of men and the men of Numenor call it the Doom of men, so it's mostly fear that drives their hatred and jealousy
The theory I’m currently vibing is that Halbrand will become the Witch King of Angmar, leader of the Nazgûl. He’ll help forge the rings then be one of those completely corrupted by them.
@@HollyBelle14 another good theory! I could see it going either way if Theo is indeed Halbrand’s son. There’s definitely something sinister in the works with that morgul (??) blade.
In New Zealand when we chop down a tree or fish from the ocean or just take from the land and sea we do something called a karakia or prayer to our spiritual gods of land and see before and after to ask permission and give thanks
Hail Sir Edmund Hilary and Middle Earth...blessing to u NZ and EXSURGE TOLKIEN counter rings of power heresy. Check out our currenr series if you are feeling blue on this unfortunate moment.
We know the one ring corrupts it's wearer and no one has been able to destroy it intentionally. That does not mean no one could have. I think Sam could have. Sam is the only person in the history of the Ring ever to hand it to someone else. Well, there's also Tom bombadil, but he couldn't be bothered to destroy it if you asked him.
Okay guys, you are obviously right on first guess about Sauron The prophecy from Numenor said an elf would bring their doom to them In the lore it is known that through deception Sauron causes the collapse of Numenor And Galadriel just brought some random charming guy into their world The dude is obviously Sauron
Halbrand could possibly be ONE of the NINE Kings Adar (Father) could possibly be the Witch King of Agmar Meteor man could be an unnamed wizard who helps the Hardfoot and they help him to be good instead of evil creating a bond of friendship. This aligns the fondness and care Gandalfhas shows towards the Hobbits in the Third Age and asks the Dunidine to watch over the Shire at times when Gandalf is not there. I believe this series is continually making connections to the story line in the movies.
@@NecropsY1 no offence, dark or light Elves, are not considered ordinary. Sauron, we were told, is often disguised as an Elf. If not, we’re good with that also. The ground work of poison and destruction, that is inflicted on the Southlands, eventually becoming Sauron’s stronghold in Mordor. We all know the end of this story, the HOBBIT and LOTR was a set of books written about the Third Age, with a plot to destroy the ring, and Frodo’s journey to overcome (with the aid of Sam) numerous times adversity and creating bonds of loyalty and friendship is the brilliantly place story, unlike the writings of the Second Age, which are mostly references. The First Age was the creation on the world in detail. It’s exciting and we’re both looking forward to witnessing how this marries into what we already know as the GOAT of the Fantasy Movies.
The harfoots, Fallohides and Stoors hobbits in the second age were in the foot hills of the misty mountains and no one else ever really saw them like those 2 men with the moose antlers on ep 1.. the harfoots were the first to migrate away from the misty mountains…
Okay so Adar is not Sauron he's an original character created for the show and he's a fallen elf and as for Halibrand since he is supposed to be a king now I think he's gonna be the witch king or at least one of the nazgul since there's no information on who the nazgul used to be other than that they were kings of men
It goes like this: The first god Eru Llúvatar he creates the next powerful 14 Valar and Melkor/Morgoth Then the 15 Maiar including Sauron and the 5 wizards Then the elves of the three Eldar kings including Galadriel The rest of the elves Then Aule a Valar created the dwarves but it got him in trouble Men are the weakest of Eru Llúvatars creations as we know… It’s in known which god created hobbits Morgoth created orcs
haha The Isle of Newmans. Numenor. Best part of the series is hearing these takes by Jane. :) The Uruk-hai orcs that were mostly in the Lord of the Rings movies were normal orcs bred with humans so they could endure the sunlight. There were normal orcs as well of course but their issues with the sun were mostly ignored I guess for time reasons. Shortly after Gandalf got to Minas Tirith Sauron had been forcing Mt. Doom to cover the lands around Mordor in darkness and that darkness had reached Minas Tirith. That also wasn't shown in the movies at all. The balrogs can't choose their forms. That is a power all Maiar have from the start it's true, but they traded that power in for the extra demonic power they got from Morgoth. Likewise even Morgoth himself eventually lost the power to change because of how much power he distributed among his servants. Of course that doesn't mean it can't be a balrog here. lol The writers of the Rings of Power have no rights to the real stories so they ignore them. :) So whatever our guess for who the meteor man is and whatever our reasons, any of us can be wrong. Based on the lore I know it isn't any of the wizards but should be a Maiar, it's just one that hasn't been named in the story yet and there is plenty of speculation about. Again, the lore means nothing. This story is not following it.
Bro I’m watching for the reaction but Jane looks away so she doesn’t see the sorta violent parts, I’m not watching for you to look away lol. Although it’s understandable you don’t wanna see the violent parts ig.
Young Galadriel is described as very proud, maybe to the point of looking arrogant as she does on the show ... ? They are mixing and rearranging pieces of the story, I think because of copyright and storytelling needs, let's see where are they going with all of this. I'm enjoying the show a lot anyway, even if sometimes it throws me off a little. I can't wrap my head about Halbrand .... he can be Sauron in disguise and not this Adar, but also Sauron should appear as Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts". I think I really need to watch it all to have an opinion on the show.
I don't think that makes her not likeable though. If anything I think showing how utterly powerful she is made me like her. On top of being graceful and beautiful. She's a badass.
Everyone seems to forget how the dwarves and the humans all thought the lady of lorien (Galadriel) was an evil sorceress who would destroy them as much as look at them. She was not likeable to people she did not like.
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, wisest and fairest of them all. The rights were then given to Jackson, a great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desired quality But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film One show to ruin them all
As clever as this is written... if it only were true ... Jackson's films are only great if you decide to become totally biased and on purpose ignore the fact that Jackson did not follow Tolkien's Lore either! True The plotlines and Lore Jackson did like, he did it quite well! He erased the entire Old forest plotline and with it, Tom Bombadil, Goldberry, and Old Oak ... these are one of the most iconic characters from the Lord of the rings! Jackson changed lots of mid-parts of the story and ruined some characters like Faramir ... Got rid of the Saruman in the Shire plotline the true ending of the book and wrote his own ending with it literally changing the story! Jackson was not respectful even of some basic Lore either ...For example, Aragorn in the book as a descendant of Numenor people and due to his elvish ancestry is unable to grow any facial hair ... it is one of Major Tolkiens lore when describing Numenor line! Yet Peter Jackson completely disrespected Lore and gave Aragorn a beard to make him look more manly because that was the Zeus Image he liked more ... In my opinion, that is not any worse than Amazon removing a beard from a dwarf woman to make her more feminine... What makes it worst, in my opinion, is that Jackson actually had full copyright on all source material needed for the Lord of the rings movies yet he still was incompetent to follow it and for some personal reason changed the entire ending of the book! Amazon at least has an excuse due to lack of copyright to 2nd age, hence can only use glossaries and references about 2nd age mentioned in the Lord of the rings book , the reason they need to dance around lots of copyright issues and adopt it differently! And for your reference, Amazon does not actually write nor direct anything they invest in scripts proposed by other directors and claim copyright to streaming services and provide marketing ... The quality of any Amazon TV series truly depends on how talented the Director who came up with the script proposal is, and of course, the crew and actors hired by that director... That's why you will also get some great TV programs from Amazon such as Boys or Reacher because The Director for that show was more talented and hired a better-skilled crew and writters to work with!
The funny thing is : the Jackson prologue completely butchers the actual lore. No mention of who made the rings and why - it has nothing to do with the "strength and will to govern each race". All the rings were made by the elves for the elves in order to slow the passage of time and change.
@@Berndr Tolkien never says whether Aragorn had a beard, though in a letter in 1972 he said he imagined Aragorn beardless. However he said it was because of his elven ancestry, but Tolkien never said elves don't have beards and in fact in LOTR, Cirdan is described as having a long gray beard (and Aragorn's ancestor kings had beards). So Tolkien himself didn't follow his own lore.
to give you a little help with the lore:
the Valar (elvish/the powerful): there are 13 of them. Morgoth was the most powerful one, but he is not longer count as one of them.
the Maiar (elvish/the beautyful): many thousands, maybe millions. Most of them are in service of one of the Valar. Sauron was a Maiar of Aule (the Valar of Smithery/he created the dwarves), Gandalf was of a Maiar close to the Valar Nienna (the Valar who changes grief into wisdom). The real (Maiar) name of Gandalf is Olorin.
the Balrogs: very, if not the most powerful serverants of Morgoth. Most of them had been destroyed at the battle at the end of the first age. At least one escaped.
Numenor: the Island was a gift to the three houses of men who fought with the elves against Morgoth. However, most men fought for Morgoth.
the twins Elros and Elrond: Were born during the wars of the first age. Let's say they had a harsh youth. They are grandchildren of Beren and Luthien (the most important story of all of Tolkien's works/the original Aragorn and Arwen).
Beren was a human. Luthien was half elvish, half Maiar.
Their grandsons Elros and Elrond could choose their faith, either to live a mortal life, or to be an elf. Elrond picked one side, Elros the other.
Elros became the first King of Numenor.
He had a very long life of 500 years.
His direct descendants were the only humans who had longer life spans, Aragon, for example.
ps: I wanted to use layman's terms in this little summary. And I tried to keep it as short as possible. It's purpose was only to help Justin a little.
Please feel free to add anything of interest.
And what a pitty it is that in 3 episodes none of the canon facts you said have been included in the show (by design) this is the age of schism. Bravo and EXSURGE TOLKIEN to you. Our current audio series has some fantastic Tolkien quotes you love.
Orc was Elf
Like someone else commented, in the eons before the First Age, Melkor/Morgoth manipulated and corrupted Elves to create Orcs, and Ents to create trolls.
Ever since I learned what Numenor was way back when the movies came out, it was THE place I had always wanted to see. More than the undying lands.
Same!
"Adar" is the Elvish word for father. I suspect that's what the orcs call Sauron.
nope , its nobody - another fake out
They're not really jealous they're afraid of dying because it is know what happens to the elves when they die from combat for example they stay in the world as spirits but men when they die it is unknown where they go.
The ironic part is that the elves call mortality the Gift of men and the men of Numenor call it the Doom of men, so it's mostly fear that drives their hatred and jealousy
The theory I’m currently vibing is that Halbrand will become the Witch King of Angmar, leader of the Nazgûl. He’ll help forge the rings then be one of those completely corrupted by them.
I think ada is going to be the witch King and I think Halbrand will be a Nazgul.
You don't thinks Bronwyn's son may become the witch king? That kid is definitely going down an evil path but I'm not sure who just yet
@@HollyBelle14 if theo is halbrands son he definitely could be because of the blood oath halbrands ancestors swore to morgoth
@@jeffhsuk7165 oh shucks! I didn't even think about him being Halbrands son! That would explain a lot. 🤯
@@HollyBelle14 another good theory! I could see it going either way if Theo is indeed Halbrand’s son. There’s definitely something sinister in the works with that morgul (??) blade.
In New Zealand when we chop down a tree or fish from the ocean or just take from the land and sea we do something called a karakia or prayer to our spiritual gods of land and see before and after to ask permission and give thanks
Hail Sir Edmund Hilary and Middle Earth...blessing to u NZ and EXSURGE TOLKIEN counter rings of power heresy. Check out our currenr series if you are feeling blue on this unfortunate moment.
I'm waiting for two things, Amazon to deliver my package and for them to remake Boyz N The Hood with a diverse cast.
We know the one ring corrupts it's wearer and no one has been able to destroy it intentionally. That does not mean no one could have. I think Sam could have. Sam is the only person in the history of the Ring ever to hand it to someone else. Well, there's also Tom bombadil, but he couldn't be bothered to destroy it if you asked him.
Same. I was not ready for that arm break moment xD
Okay guys, you are obviously right on first guess about Sauron
The prophecy from Numenor said an elf would bring their doom to them
In the lore it is known that through deception Sauron causes the collapse of Numenor
And Galadriel just brought some random charming guy into their world
The dude is obviously Sauron
It's going to be fun trying to guess who Sauron is
Adan could be one of the nine - maybe a warrior or leader, who sauron later gives a ring to.
Halbrand could possibly be ONE of the NINE Kings
Adar (Father) could possibly be the Witch King of Agmar
Meteor man could be an unnamed wizard who helps the Hardfoot and they help him to be good instead of evil creating a bond of friendship. This aligns the fondness and care Gandalfhas shows towards the Hobbits in the Third Age and asks the Dunidine to watch over the Shire at times when Gandalf is not there. I believe this series is continually making connections to the story line in the movies.
nope its just an elf, no one special really
@@NecropsY1 no offence, dark or light Elves, are not considered ordinary. Sauron, we were told, is often disguised as an Elf. If not, we’re good with that also. The ground work of poison and destruction, that is inflicted on the Southlands, eventually becoming Sauron’s stronghold in Mordor. We all know the end of this story, the HOBBIT and LOTR was a set of books written about the Third Age, with a plot to destroy the ring, and Frodo’s journey to overcome (with the aid of Sam) numerous times adversity and creating bonds of loyalty and friendship is the brilliantly place story, unlike the writings of the Second Age, which are mostly references. The First Age was the creation on the world in detail. It’s exciting and we’re both looking forward to witnessing how this marries into what we already know as the GOAT of the Fantasy Movies.
The harfoots, Fallohides and Stoors hobbits in the second age were in the foot hills of the misty mountains and no one else ever really saw them like those 2 men with the moose antlers on ep 1.. the harfoots were the first to migrate away from the misty mountains…
Okay so Adar is not Sauron he's an original character created for the show and he's a fallen elf and as for Halibrand since he is supposed to be a king now I think he's gonna be the witch king or at least one of the nazgul since there's no information on who the nazgul used to be other than that they were kings of men
An original character who turns out to just be a disguise for Sauron* you mean
@@fiercelunarhavoc4627 I don't know if I was that elf I wouldn't trust him especially since Adar is in charge of these orcs
I’m pretty sure Halbrand is Sauron tbh
@@phoenixsharpshooter that's what I thought at first too but wouldn't he be a little more charismatic?
It goes like this:
The first god Eru Llúvatar he creates the next powerful 14 Valar and Melkor/Morgoth
Then the 15 Maiar including Sauron and the 5 wizards
Then the elves of the three Eldar kings including Galadriel
The rest of the elves
Then Aule a Valar created the dwarves but it got him in trouble
Men are the weakest of Eru Llúvatars creations as we know…
It’s in known which god created hobbits
Morgoth created orcs
also morgoth is still alive he is just prisoned by the valar in a place called the door of night between this world and the void
haha The Isle of Newmans. Numenor. Best part of the series is hearing these takes by Jane. :)
The Uruk-hai orcs that were mostly in the Lord of the Rings movies were normal orcs bred with humans so they could endure the sunlight. There were normal orcs as well of course but their issues with the sun were mostly ignored I guess for time reasons. Shortly after Gandalf got to Minas Tirith Sauron had been forcing Mt. Doom to cover the lands around Mordor in darkness and that darkness had reached Minas Tirith. That also wasn't shown in the movies at all.
The balrogs can't choose their forms. That is a power all Maiar have from the start it's true, but they traded that power in for the extra demonic power they got from Morgoth. Likewise even Morgoth himself eventually lost the power to change because of how much power he distributed among his servants.
Of course that doesn't mean it can't be a balrog here. lol The writers of the Rings of Power have no rights to the real stories so they ignore them. :) So whatever our guess for who the meteor man is and whatever our reasons, any of us can be wrong. Based on the lore I know it isn't any of the wizards but should be a Maiar, it's just one that hasn't been named in the story yet and there is plenty of speculation about.
Again, the lore means nothing. This story is not following it.
justinnnnnnnn hahaha he cant do anything ;) lol
arondir is legolas 2.0 for sure
Bro I’m watching for the reaction but Jane looks away so she doesn’t see the sorta violent parts, I’m not watching for you to look away lol. Although it’s understandable you don’t wanna see the violent parts ig.
Young Galadriel is described as very proud, maybe to the point of looking arrogant as she does on the show ... ? They are mixing and rearranging pieces of the story, I think because of copyright and storytelling needs, let's see where are they going with all of this. I'm enjoying the show a lot anyway, even if sometimes it throws me off a little.
I can't wrap my head about Halbrand .... he can be Sauron in disguise and not this Adar, but also Sauron should appear as Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts". I think I really need to watch it all to have an opinion on the show.
I like your reactions, but I find it very weird, that you put these overreacted thumbnails on the last few videos. It’s offputting.
Plz for love of God galadriel and halbrand romance its big hell no
I’m sorry but Galadriel isn’t actually likeable in LOTR she’s weird and slightly terrifying if we are all being honest with ourselves
I don't think that makes her not likeable though. If anything I think showing how utterly powerful she is made me like her. On top of being graceful and beautiful. She's a badass.
Speak for yourself. She was only weird and terrifying when around the one ring which made everyone act weird.
Everyone seems to forget how the dwarves and the humans all thought the lady of lorien (Galadriel) was an evil sorceress who would destroy them as much as look at them. She was not likeable to people she did not like.
halbrand is souron, meteor man is gandolf, zzz boring
Jv likes his women submissive. Lol I see you
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, wisest and fairest of them all. The rights were then given to Jackson, a great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desired quality
But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop
And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film
One show to ruin them all
As clever as this is written... if it only were true ... Jackson's films are only great if you decide to become totally biased and on purpose ignore the fact that Jackson did not follow Tolkien's Lore either!
True The plotlines and Lore Jackson did like, he did it quite well!
He erased the entire Old forest plotline and with it, Tom Bombadil, Goldberry, and Old Oak ... these are one of the most iconic characters from the Lord of the rings!
Jackson changed lots of mid-parts of the story and ruined some characters like Faramir ... Got rid of the Saruman in the Shire plotline the true ending of the book and wrote his own ending with it literally changing the story!
Jackson was not respectful even of some basic Lore either ...For example, Aragorn in the book as a descendant of Numenor people and due to his elvish ancestry is unable to grow any facial hair ... it is one of Major Tolkiens lore when describing Numenor line!
Yet Peter Jackson completely disrespected Lore and gave Aragorn a beard to make him look more manly because that was the Zeus Image he liked more ...
In my opinion, that is not any worse than Amazon removing a beard from a dwarf woman to make her more feminine...
What makes it worst, in my opinion, is that Jackson actually had full copyright on all source material needed for the Lord of the rings movies yet he still was incompetent to follow it and for some personal reason changed the entire ending of the book!
Amazon at least has an excuse due to lack of copyright to 2nd age, hence can only use glossaries and references about 2nd age mentioned in the Lord of the rings book , the reason they need to dance around lots of copyright issues and adopt it differently!
And for your reference, Amazon does not actually write nor direct anything they invest in scripts proposed by other directors and claim copyright to streaming services and provide marketing ... The quality of any Amazon TV series truly depends on how talented the Director who came up with the script proposal is, and of course, the crew and actors hired by that director...
That's why you will also get some great TV programs from Amazon such as Boys or Reacher because The Director for that show was more talented and hired a better-skilled crew and writters to work with!
The funny thing is : the Jackson prologue completely butchers the actual lore. No mention of who made the rings and why - it has nothing to do with the "strength and will to govern each race". All the rings were made by the elves for the elves in order to slow the passage of time and change.
@@Berndr Tolkien never says whether Aragorn had a beard, though in a letter in 1972 he said he imagined Aragorn beardless. However he said it was because of his elven ancestry, but Tolkien never said elves don't have beards and in fact in LOTR, Cirdan is described as having a long gray beard (and Aragorn's ancestor kings had beards). So Tolkien himself didn't follow his own lore.