Somehow I feel we missed out on an excellent rant. I get why you're cautious regarding the perceptions of a rant video, however, sometimes it's good to highlight, in a forthright way, just how simple mismatches can be made and some pre-built suppliers just don't check/care.
The main issue was that I wasn't really explaining the situation very coherently. I was going to leave the rant in and just stick a time-stamp on screen to skip to, but while I was editing I was just thinking 'naa, people are going to have no idea what I'm on about.'
On the contrary, pre-built system integrators DO care. They care about money, so they're gonna ship the cheapest/shittest motherboard and RAM they can get away with. This is super common and it can often extend to storage and power supplies too. All they want is for the headline specs to look good.
Your videos are very entertaining to watch. From a fellow PC Builder/Tech Nerd. Your efforts in making content like this are greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Even cheep DDR4 2400 memory routinely OCs up to 2800+ with a bit more voltage (1.375-1.400V should be fine even without heatsinks; my tuned 3600 B-Die 4x8GB barely go up to a total of 8W during stress testing @ 1.390V - 2W per module), so that's something the customer can look into. After you stabilize the CPU OC, set the DRAM voltage to 1.4V, all timings on auto, disable any quick boot functionality, which bypasses memory training. Test and find the max stable memory speed (I use the y-cruncher Pi bench as it's relatively quick and intense), let's say you land at 2933. Lower the voltage until you're unstable again, go back up a step. Start testing the primary and secondary timings from tCL down. Bring up tREFI as high as it will go testing in increments of 5000. When you're done with the timings test overnight with memTestPro or memtest86. Many games won't care much (or even if they did the GPU will be the bottleneck), but many games and other workloads will, improving performance. By the way, 3DMark really doesn't care about RAM speed. Geekbench does and it's quick to run.
I build on the box but always worry I will stretch or break a trace on the board as it flexes. Very interesting glad you posted this looking forward to more!
This mobo is about £115 ($120). Keep in mind that Time Spy is a gaming benchmark, so this is a very very generalised look at performance. While the final Time Spy score didn't change much, actual CPU benchmarks would likely show significantly higher results. The point is that we unlocked the ability to start pushing for those numbers, as well as the ability to use higher speed memory.
Be interesting to see if something like a cinebench would benefit more. I suspect as you mention the GPU is a significant contributor/influence on overall timespy score. Has overclocking had its day in the face of higher core counts for non gaming activities?
I'm disappointed, I would say it's a epic waste of money. Do a blind test with no performance indicators showing, most people can't tell the difference. 100-200 points is not a significant improvement. I bet you could of overclocked the gpu and got a bigger performance boost.
Got to agree with Graham, I'll wouldn't pay £115 for a 20% improvement! For me the most noticeable thing about a computer is how long MS updates take. To that end the £115 could have bought a 1tb SDD which I am pretty sure would be noticed far more frequently as an 'improvement'. Great work on the repairs btw.
I like those Be Quiet fans, I'm using a 140mm one in a SFF build as an intake for the CPU and it does a whole world of difference without being noisy. Which I can't say about the Noctua I had previously, which had a bad case of annoying coil whine
I have a 9600KF OC'ed to 5.2 GHz, on the same MOBO even. I plan to upgrade the MOBO soon when the prices drop some more on Z390 boards. This one shown in this video works perfectly though.
I've got what is a relatively old system now as a backup in my office. It is a Q9550, 8gb of ram and old Nvidia Card. The system runs really well despite being 13 years old. That is because there are no bottle necks, I've got the fastest ram the system will support, a fast SSD to replace the old hardrive and I run Slackware Linux which is very light on resources. Normally the biggest bottleneck on any PC is the hardrive (as this is the slowest form of memory), the moment a system needs to swap memory from the hardrive to the main drive the machine needs to wait for disk IO. That why old computers from the 8bit and 16 bit era were really fast. They read the OS (what little there was) straight from the ROM into RAM in most cases. However loading programs was painfully slow because you had to load it off of something like a cassette or a floppy disk (which can be thought as forms of memory).
@@UnlocalizedSimulator PGA installation is stupid and flawed AMD needs to move over to LGA iv'e seen so many people break the pins on there AMD cpu's it's ridiculous
@@UnlocalizedSimulator just because you built your first PC when you 13 doesn't mean everybody else has and it's not easy for some those pins are so tiny and fragile as I said it's an out of date socket that needs to be changed
Good video, but i have the feeling that for this exact customer, the correct approach would be to exchange the K for a plain simple i5. Customer would have the same base power (more is probably not needed) and could keep the extra money. You would end up with a K version for sale to someone who could actually use it properly and consciously. Just a thought. That of course does not mean that you're not right with what you did here.
a better motherboard means that chance of blowing a VRM or not blowing a VRM due to the quality of the VRM's themselves...better stabilisation = longer lasting computer = happier customer...good video!
Hello Graham and thanks for the video! Quick suggestion if you want to pursue similar content in the future; when tuning CPU and RAM, try the "standalone" benchmark in the Shadow of the Tomb Raider trial. Running at 1080p fullscreen (quality level depending on the GPU tier), it will definitely reveal improvements in min, max, 95% FPS, GPU bound % etc. compared to pre-tuned state.
I have a MSI B450-A-PRO MAX. I'm very pleased with it. But the one thing it is missing is Tos-Link audio output which I had been using on my previous motherboard. But that is just a mild inconvenience.
Too me, it's like them selling Land Rovers with low profile tires. It used to rattle me, but then I just accepted that, hey, it's more Land Rovers being sold, which is more market for the company, and increasing the availability and lowering price for when I might want to buy one and set it up correctly. Most people who buy a Corvette will never go onto a track, but them buying it keeps the brand alive.
Very interesting video, as someone who has built very many budget systems for people who predominantly were not gamers it was interesting to see the true effect of higher quality components. Probably I would use this information more carefully selecting components for myself than what I have been doing for other people as I am happy with the extra spend of my own cash whereas someone who is simply going to use email, browse the web/social media, do a bit of word processing and organise digital photos isn't going to see any benefits.
Yea, don't get me wrong, there's a place for cheap mobos, and I use them in 'office builds' as well. But if you're running Intel K-CPUs and want performance, it's worth spending that bit more for a Z-chipset 👌
Omg 30sec in and I had to stop to fist bump you because the struggle is real. I go off on this same rant all the time. My main system houses a 9900k so I've gone a bit beyond the chipset limitations because when k series chips start boosting, even at stock, lower end vrms become a major hindrance. Especially when an i9 tries to crank it to an all-core 5.2ghz and its choking at 110w when its calling for 255w lol on the positive, you can gain perma boost at 62c on a stock cooler
I believe Enhanced Turbo is the same as other manufacturers Multicore Enhancement settings, in that it is on when set to auto and completely ignores the Intel power and boost duration guidelines and prevents the CPU from dropping to base clocks, keeping them at their all core boost indefinitely instead of for 2 minutes that Intel specs. IE. cheating by forcing the chip to run out of spec. A similar setting on my z390 9700k combo has it permanently sitting at 4.6GHz while under any load when the multiplier is set to auto. It never clocks down to the 3.6GHz all core max base clock as it should without editing a couple settings to force it to behave in spec.
Agree. I only have a rather subtle single blue LED on my CPU cooler because it came that way. My case only has a perforated area for a side-fan so I hardly see it.
Seriously, market flooded with RGB clown vomit. I'm glad companies like Noctua know how to establish good looks (Chromax) and good performance without watt-consuming lights. 10W RGB fan, 7W only for RGB... lol
The problem isn't only with the system integrator, though. Most people who buy a PC from SI don't look at the motherboard chipset and it's not usually marketed to the customer. They see I3/5/7 or Ryzen 3/5/7/9 and whatever GPU is in there. SI trying to sell AMD systems also have this problem, a lot of boards they use are a320 for the cheaper systems.
It's down to the system integrator. Customers buying a prebuilt aren't necessarily going to realise that you need a Z series board (or a B/X series on AMD) to unlock the potential of the CPU, nor are they likely to know about XMP. System integrators do know this and still poorly match components just so they can squeeze a couple more pounds profit.
@@cjmillsnun Not all SI are that way, though. With the recent prices of components shooting up due to human malware I went with a local SI to build my current desktop. I chose everything in the rig and what they charged for building/delivering/3 years of onsite warranty while still being cheaper than what I could get it on Amazon/Newegg for.
so i've overclocked an old Q9400 to 3,4 GHz from the stock 2,66 GHz, with a slight voltage boost, and the performance DROPPED by 5-7%. does anyone have an idea what's happening?
also, it suddenly runs faster than stock with just resetting the base clock and leaving the voltage as it was. the mobo chipset is G33 if it matters here.
From what you describe it looks like the cpu is thermal throttling. You dialed up those clocks manually but apparently the cpu is overheating under stress, so the “defense mechanism” of the cpu activates and dials it down to even lower than was before, hence the drop in performance. Did you check for thermal trotting when monitoring its performance under stress?
I genuinely believe your more educational and more entertaining to watch in comparison to louise rossman simply because your approach to things are more practical and realistic which we the common folks can relate of..also, love the english accent which is not too deep unlike eev blog which i find btw very annoying..keep the vids man stay safe 👍
Please upload the rant video. I got excited when you said you were ranting but got sad when you said you didn’t include them in the video. The subject of your rant is very relevant. If possible, we would like to watch your ranting part as well. Please, upload it.
What I miss from having an Intel-based system is the overclocking. It is pretty fun to go into the BIOS and start tuning the CPU settings to squeeze as much performance out of it as you can. With AMD, at least Ryzen Zen2, there's not really a benefit to doing so. I had a shot at doing it and nothing really came from it. Performance was often worse than stock settings. Zen2 processors really do not benefit from manual tweaking. Many videos and other information online about these CPUs seem to back this up. They also seem riskier to overclock because of the varying safe fixed voltages. No set safe voltage has been recommended and instead people have to find their "FIT" voltage if they want to dabble with manual overclocking. A lot of hassle and very little benefit. Ryzen Zen2 practically perform to the best of their ability right out of the box. That's both awesome and annoying. Awesome for those that don't want to spend time tweaking things to get maximum performance and annoying for those that might enjoy the tweaking. As for the video, I agree. Motherboards are quite important. They can easily hold components back. I first learnt this from a pre-build I had. It was an FM2+ AMD build and because the manufacturer fitted a really low-end motherboard with no VRM cooling on it, it meant the CPU could not be overclocked very well because if you tried, the VRMs would rapidly heat up and cause the processor to throttle. It didn't matter how good the CPU cooler was, the VRMs could just not take any real overclocking. Funny thing is, the manufacturer had overclocked the thing and out of the box it was severely throttling as soon as it booted into Windows. I had to tweak that thing so hard to bring it to a satisfactory level of performance. The board limitation annoyed the hell out of me once I started learning about overclocking itself and wanted to try it out. It was the primary reason I decided to build my own system once I had enough funds to upgrade from it. So yes, never cheap out on a motherboard if you want to overclock. It's a recipe for disaster. I see a lot of these non-Z boards and K series processor pairings unfortunately. The K series CPUs really need a Z series motherboard. Otherwise, you're just wasting the processor. You may as well have bought a non-K CPU if you decide to cheap out and avoid a Z series motherboard. All it takes to ensure you've got a good pairing is to do some research. It'll save so much time and money.
It sure would be nice if all the case manufacturers would standardize standoffs. For example 8 mm long metric m3 screw thread. Why do we need different standoffs?
About ram, I have Corsair vengeance LPX 3200 MHZ. Considering I have Ryzen 5 3600 I d like to replace it with 3600Mhz memory. In reality I can buy and sell my own easily without even spending much. Though I d like to buy Corsair RGB pro or TridentZ Ram. So should I OC my 3200 or should I buy 3600. Also few times I have tried to OC I have failed and even last time I was unable to use XMP after failed OC.
@@Ogk10 I used the same cooler on my 1700x previously and knew what the performance level was (1700x 95w TDP v 3900x 105w tdp). Also compared to the the included cooler with the 3900x the beQuiet is far more substantial not to mention much quieter.
I have about 25 run-of-the-mill standoffs in my spares drawer above the amount I usually keep. I'm in Germany, so I would have to look up shipping options, if you're at all interested.
I feel like I’ve found one but what’s a good z390 atx board with good vrm, front panel usb c, nvme, wifi/bluetooth, and just looks nice at a low price, the one I think ticks all boxes is the msi gaming edge ac at around $190USD
yeah i agree its all about potential and the user's ability to truly utilize it. i know people who buy intel "z" boards and "k" processors just because they are the highest end, then never overclock or even set xmp!
26:14 With the Thaiphoon Burner you can check what Die is on the RAM. If it's Micron E Die it is possible that it clocks very fast. If it's DDR 4 3000 CL 15 it's surely Micron E Die.
Wondering if you could help me with HWMonitor ? i have the latest version but it doesn't show individual core temps just the package node temp, do you know how i can change that ?
Go for HWinfo, it's a little more complicated (just select sensors only on start for temps) but it gives far far more data. HWmonitor has served me for a long time, but it's basically useless on Ryzen.
Thanks for the great vids, just thinking, i used to take the black cpu cover off like you in this video before i bent pins whilst doing so, its supprisingly easy to do, i would make a point to your viewers to leave it on and let the cpu push it off when pulling the lever down. :)
Also never really thought memory speed makes a difference but having just bought a 2070 Super i went from to 2666 value ram to 3200. When running the FC5 benchmark i gained 14 fps so it really does, go on you for recommending higher speed ram its not even much more until you get over 3200.
1:16 'go that little bit further' triggers the beard touch response... this is something he says to himself with regards to his beard... in the mirror whilst trimming it no doubt. :) ive subscribed
@Adamant IT I noticed you mainly focus on Ryzen rigs, but maybe you can help. I have a Z490M (Gigabyte) motherboard (Intel I7). Its all built, running, windows installed, but the rear audio is not working. Windows detects the jacks being inserted, but NO audio. Front audio works fine. i wondered if you came across that at all. Apart from front ports, I have to use a USB sound dongle at the rear until I get this sorted out. Drivers, or just Gigabyte being the usual shit ?
Try unplugging the front audio ports and seeing if the problem disappears. If that works, then there's something wrong with the front-audio ports/wire. If that doesn't work, it's a driver issue. You can still manually override this problem in drivers - usually in the driver panel there's an option to 'Mute Rear Ports When Headphones Connected' - if you disable this, it'll keep the rear ports active all the time. This is a work-around though, not a fix.
@@Adamant_IT Hmmmm seems the Mute rear audio when headphones connected works, I could have sworn I tried that. I had to use the Gigabyte Realtek Audio app, which I had to find through a system app search because there is no icon for it. Thanks for the push back to that option :)
re: description, TH-cam doesn't support underscores for italics, but does support asterisks for bold. So, you should be able to get it to say *directly* and *unlocks potential* instead.
Oh yea I hadn't noticed... I think it just doesn't support them in descriptions, because _it does in comments_ as long as there's a space after the underscore. _Italics with punctuation after the underscore don't work_.
I own a Gigabyte B450, which is a Ryzen platform (as you probably well know), and the amount of fine tuning with regards to overclocking is comparable to the motherboard you're presenting, ie clock multiplier, voltage control, etc. I had the chance to play around with the settings when underclocking the CPU, because it was running too hot in that small, previously uncooled Silverstone ML08 case. Cooled, it runs at stock speeds with acceptable temperatures. I'm not trying to defend AMD - I'm just giving my perspective on things as I own one of their produts. Cool vid either way, might try some overclocking myself to see how many extra frames I can sequeeze out of this lemon without it going up in flames.
Absolutely. Intel is basically a matter of "z-series or bust" if you have a K-sku chip, where as on AMD, the B-series is a completely viable plaform for performance, as well as the X-series. Gamer's Nexus did a long video on Ryzen overclocking recently, which I'm hoping will be a good crash course when I get around to watching it.
at uk is a bit more expensive, but outside are coolers with really nice price / performance ratio, like arctic 34 at 24€ or silentiumpc fortis 3 34€ btw memory speed and timings matter on some games, not 3dmark, and if you have a gpu that delivers enough fps to notice that improvement AMD is so easy to overlock. well, on other words, there is no way to overclock an 3xxx amd, because it comes with auto OC by stock. it adjust their frecuency so tight that is better to leave it at its own that trying to do manual OC
I often see pre-builts do this -- just use the cheapest motherboard that is compatible with all the parts. (Or at least, the cheapest name brand one.) The budget goes to the flashy stuff. Personally, the motherboard is the one thing I'd love to never feel the need to replace.
I'm not a fan of K cpus and Z motherboards for budget builds, I would either build the lower end i5, and if that wasn't enough, I would jump up to the locked i7, memory speed only matters when you are cpu limited, adding more cpu power more than offsets the benefits of faster ram.
Two fans on a push pull, (Is there Rooom) as I would like to see little change in temperatures on want were small increases. I think a good manufacturer would have appreciated the feedback (Rant - On). 1/How important is it to earth the MoBo properly I have seen examples where apone opening the case revealed only a minimal number of screws securing the MoBo. how important is earthing and what are the symptoms?
I've never seen problems due to bad earthing. There's so many points that the system is getting earthed from, all of the black 0v lines are all chassis grounded, which in turn is referenced to mains-earth at the PSU. So even if your mobo only has one or two screws, the common 0v lines for the graphics card, drives, and so on, are all touching chassis metal everywhere. Things should still be screwed in properly for the sake of build-quality - gremlins due to bad connections where connectors work loose are definitely real - but I've never seen 'electrical' issues due to grounding.
@@Adamant_IT Cheers that put my mind at rest... as its been an increasingly common and not to say an annoying thing i have been seeing. That plus laptops with all or most of the base screws missing. buying a set of Apple Pro screws is not cheap. also I have had so many problems with the new Dell XPS Laptops and replacing broken screens and indeed just getting to the main board. I also watched your corrupt Bios and debug Vlog with great interest. For those of use that dont have the Bios flash kit, would purchasing two new bios chips sorted this problem?
hi i am a novice at computers i have been offerd a i7 4796 3.60 ghz for a £100 dont know much else about it but i see the cpus are going for about that price would you think this would be a good staring point to upgrade on a budget thanks it is a full pc
A full PC with an i7 4790k in it, for £100? Yea I'd buy that. It's an old machine, and a dead-end for upgrades, but with a good graphics card it'll still hold it's own for 1080p gaming. The PC I use to record all my videos is an i7 4770k with a GTX 960 in it.
Sure, it'll be fine. The 8600k will have some overclock in it as well if you start messing around there. Apparently most of them will hit 5GHz without too much hassle. I only had mine at 4.8GHz stable (daily driver) but 4.8 all-core does feel noticeably faster on the 8600k. I was running 1.35v to get it there.
@@Adamant_IT Thanks very much. I just need to updgrade the power supply now, as it's only a 550 watts one, oh and actually find a 3080 for sale of course! Lol.
Sir i have i7 9700k(coolermaster hyper t4) with mobo msi B365m pro vh with 2 slot ram 8gb 3000mhz but motherboard only support 2666mhz. The question is i am worry about overclock because rumor tells OC may do kills the system and not getting the pc may longer. So i need your suggestion which do i need to open "k" cpu potential just because increase little speed but it might sacrifice the system pc life spam or just stay with my spec mobo with no worries???
Light/Medium overclocks won't damage the hardware in any real way, so long as you don't do anything stupid like put 1.5v+ into the CPU. But yea, if you upgraded to a Z390 so you could run the RAM at 3000 or 3200, then add some light overclocking, you'll get more out of your CPU.
Yes, but as a rule of thumb (on Intel) 1.2 and under is completely fine. You'd likely push up towards 1.3 (going in 0.025 steps) doing a basic overclock, this is fine, but check your temperatures. Then to the best of my knowledge, going past 1.35 is starting to get a bit sketchy on a _daily driver_ . Competitive benchmarking will often blow past that voltage, but you don't really want to be up at 1.4 all day every day. I run 1.275v at home with an 8600k at 4.8GHz all-core. I could go to 5GHz, but I'd need to run about 1.325 or 1.35, and eeeeeh, I just don't need to.
20 pound cooler? wow that thing is heavy .... : ) But on a serious note those are the worse sleeves on the psu wires I've ever seen, you can still see the ketchup and mustard
If it were my build, I could not slap a new board into that dirty case. A quick wipe with a damp cloth or a blow with canned air. Otherwise a great video.
I know super old vid, but i feel you should have explained better that viewers should be looking at "cpu score" instead than overall score as this program have separate tests for gpu and cpu. If you look at your starting cpu score at 5707 and the final 6470 you actually gained 13.3% of cpu speed, which is a decent uplift! :)
I love your videos and content. I disagree with mostly of the brands MSI and Gigabyte. They are horrible. 5:11 That is not how to take the socket off. Install the CPU first and the cover will come off. You may build 1 or 3 custom PC a month. I build 20 to 40. With that being said Use low meld solder.
I've had nothing but great experiences using MSI motherboards and gpus for years across all different platforms and gens of graphics cards never had any issues
Tbh I've come around to Asus a lot in the past year, I had an old grudge and it was time to bury it - so can agree about Asus being a good choice. I generally use what's cost-effective at the time. That being said, my faith in GB is on the low side right now, as they're the brand I've had the most grief with in recent history. As for CPU sockets, it really doesn't matter, like, at all.
@@Adamant_IT I know everything is made in China. But I repair so much more than you. I dont do much solder work as you and I am learning from you and a few others. But Most failed boards are MSI and Gigabyte. I have even removed the bios chips and reflashed them with the same issue. I as some motherboards shipped to me with bent pins. Mostly from newegg. I normally build about 40 new a week.
Intel Burn Test, and 50x multiplier - so 5GHz. Pretty good for a second gen Intel! But then I wasn't really on the scene back then, so no idea what the old chips could do.
That IBT wasn't around when I had i7-930 at 4200 or the chip before.The scores on that IBT also shows error's when they start drop and I still use that test on my 9900k at 5200 MHz with 4000 ram.
H Chipset for locked CPUs and Z Chipsets for unlocked CPUs. I guess if the client was going to upgrade due to budget but then again better to just not bother in the first place.
Totally waste of money in first place, putting K CPU in office motherboard and second changeing motherboard to gain just more. Only benefit is stability for that CPU because of better VRMs on motherboard. Day to day usage totaly the same, maybe little bit more FPS in games.
The best overclock came outta his pants at 29 mins 40 sec.... The mic defo picked that one up.....
hahaha a little tommy squeaker!
I stummbled across this channel by accident. What a great guy, and splendind explanations.
Somehow I feel we missed out on an excellent rant. I get why you're cautious regarding the perceptions of a rant video, however, sometimes it's good to highlight, in a forthright way, just how simple mismatches can be made and some pre-built suppliers just don't check/care.
The main issue was that I wasn't really explaining the situation very coherently. I was going to leave the rant in and just stick a time-stamp on screen to skip to, but while I was editing I was just thinking 'naa, people are going to have no idea what I'm on about.'
@@Adamant_IT Now i really wanna see it!
@@Adamant_IT please could you do a follow-up rant video - some of us will know what you're on about :-)
On the contrary, pre-built system integrators DO care. They care about money, so they're gonna ship the cheapest/shittest motherboard and RAM they can get away with. This is super common and it can often extend to storage and power supplies too. All they want is for the headline specs to look good.
@@Parky_T yeap , pretty much is profit and the bigger the company usually the bigger the mismatch
Your videos are very entertaining to watch. From a fellow PC Builder/Tech Nerd. Your efforts in making content like this are greatly appreciated. Thank you!
I'd recommend jumping on ebay and buying a bulk pack of standoffs until you run into the same problem I've had recently.
Even cheep DDR4 2400 memory routinely OCs up to 2800+ with a bit more voltage (1.375-1.400V should be fine even without heatsinks; my tuned 3600 B-Die 4x8GB barely go up to a total of 8W during stress testing @ 1.390V - 2W per module), so that's something the customer can look into. After you stabilize the CPU OC, set the DRAM voltage to 1.4V, all timings on auto, disable any quick boot functionality, which bypasses memory training. Test and find the max stable memory speed (I use the y-cruncher Pi bench as it's relatively quick and intense), let's say you land at 2933. Lower the voltage until you're unstable again, go back up a step. Start testing the primary and secondary timings from tCL down. Bring up tREFI as high as it will go testing in increments of 5000. When you're done with the timings test overnight with memTestPro or memtest86.
Many games won't care much (or even if they did the GPU will be the bottleneck), but many games and other workloads will, improving performance. By the way, 3DMark really doesn't care about RAM speed. Geekbench does and it's quick to run.
I like your perspective on things, on systems and you're teaching and demonstrating things that emphasize reality and good practice, thanks for this.
Simply and understandably said without unnecessary fantasizing bravo ... I really like it
I build on the box but always worry I will stretch or break a trace on the board as it flexes. Very interesting glad you posted this looking forward to more!
How much extra has been spent for a 2% performance uplift?
This mobo is about £115 ($120). Keep in mind that Time Spy is a gaming benchmark, so this is a very very generalised look at performance. While the final Time Spy score didn't change much, actual CPU benchmarks would likely show significantly higher results.
The point is that we unlocked the ability to start pushing for those numbers, as well as the ability to use higher speed memory.
Be interesting to see if something like a cinebench would benefit more. I suspect as you mention the GPU is a significant contributor/influence on overall timespy score. Has overclocking had its day in the face of higher core counts for non gaming activities?
I'm disappointed, I would say it's a epic waste of money. Do a blind test with no performance indicators showing, most people can't tell the difference. 100-200 points is not a significant improvement. I bet you could of overclocked the gpu and got a bigger performance boost.
Got to agree with Graham, I'll wouldn't pay £115 for a 20% improvement! For me the most noticeable thing about a computer is how long MS updates take. To that end the £115 could have bought a 1tb SDD which I am pretty sure would be noticed far more frequently as an 'improvement'. Great work on the repairs btw.
@@Adamant_IT I SEE.
I like those Be Quiet fans, I'm using a 140mm one in a SFF build as an intake for the CPU and it does a whole world of difference without being noisy. Which I can't say about the Noctua I had previously, which had a bad case of annoying coil whine
I have a 9600KF OC'ed to 5.2 GHz, on the same MOBO even. I plan to upgrade the MOBO soon when the prices drop some more on Z390 boards. This one shown in this video works perfectly though.
pinkish coffee mug on the left at the beginning is a "day maker"
i actually like to hear your rant ngl xD
I agree its great to hear your gripes because i see it as a learning experience
The resetswitch is used for adjust the RgB lighting... by pressing repeatedly it will change the light colour
I've got what is a relatively old system now as a backup in my office. It is a Q9550, 8gb of ram and old Nvidia Card. The system runs really well despite being 13 years old. That is because there are no bottle necks, I've got the fastest ram the system will support, a fast SSD to replace the old hardrive and I run Slackware Linux which is very light on resources.
Normally the biggest bottleneck on any PC is the hardrive (as this is the slowest form of memory), the moment a system needs to swap memory from the hardrive to the main drive the machine needs to wait for disk IO.
That why old computers from the 8bit and 16 bit era were really fast. They read the OS (what little there was) straight from the ROM into RAM in most cases. However loading programs was painfully slow because you had to load it off of something like a cassette or a floppy disk (which can be thought as forms of memory).
Lmao being an AMD guy when I saw you cleaning that cpu in your palm I cringed so hard before I realized intel doesn't use PGA
It's one of the perks of intel... heck of a lot easier to clean a chip out-of-socket ;)
Adamant IT Fair enough! I do prefer PGA installation though
@@UnlocalizedSimulator PGA installation is stupid and flawed AMD needs to move over to LGA iv'e seen so many people break the pins on there AMD cpu's it's ridiculous
@@zhayward3190 If you have a brain it's a very easy installation, i got it right the first time back when I was 13, It's quite simple
@@UnlocalizedSimulator just because you built your first PC when you 13 doesn't mean everybody else has and it's not easy for some those pins are so tiny and fragile as I said it's an out of date socket that needs to be changed
Good video, but i have the feeling that for this exact customer, the correct approach would be to exchange the K for a plain simple i5. Customer would have the same base power (more is probably not needed) and could keep the extra money. You would end up with a K version for sale to someone who could actually use it properly and consciously. Just a thought. That of course does not mean that you're not right with what you did here.
Excellent video. Thankyou for making this
a better motherboard means that chance of blowing a VRM or not blowing a VRM due to the quality of the VRM's themselves...better stabilisation = longer lasting computer = happier customer...good video!
Funny thing is that I have a similar 9600k on a H370 board and I just ordered a Z390 to take full advantage of the K cpu.
Hello Graham and thanks for the video! Quick suggestion if you want to pursue similar content in the future; when tuning CPU and RAM, try the "standalone" benchmark in the Shadow of the Tomb Raider trial. Running at 1080p fullscreen (quality level depending on the GPU tier), it will definitely reveal improvements in min, max, 95% FPS, GPU bound % etc. compared to pre-tuned state.
I have a MSI B450-A-PRO MAX. I'm very pleased with it. But the one thing it is missing is Tos-Link audio output which I had been using on my previous motherboard. But that is just a mild inconvenience.
Too me, it's like them selling Land Rovers with low profile tires. It used to rattle me, but then I just accepted that, hey, it's more Land Rovers being sold, which is more market for the company, and increasing the availability and lowering price for when I might want to buy one and set it up correctly.
Most people who buy a Corvette will never go onto a track, but them buying it keeps the brand alive.
Very interesting video, as someone who has built very many budget systems for people who predominantly were not gamers it was interesting to see the true effect of higher quality components. Probably I would use this information more carefully selecting components for myself than what I have been doing for other people as I am happy with the extra spend of my own cash whereas someone who is simply going to use email, browse the web/social media, do a bit of word processing and organise digital photos isn't going to see any benefits.
Yea, don't get me wrong, there's a place for cheap mobos, and I use them in 'office builds' as well. But if you're running Intel K-CPUs and want performance, it's worth spending that bit more for a Z-chipset 👌
Omg 30sec in and I had to stop to fist bump you because the struggle is real. I go off on this same rant all the time. My main system houses a 9900k so I've gone a bit beyond the chipset limitations because when k series chips start boosting, even at stock, lower end vrms become a major hindrance. Especially when an i9 tries to crank it to an all-core 5.2ghz and its choking at 110w when its calling for 255w lol on the positive, you can gain perma boost at 62c on a stock cooler
I believe Enhanced Turbo is the same as other manufacturers Multicore Enhancement settings, in that it is on when set to auto and completely ignores the Intel power and boost duration guidelines and prevents the CPU from dropping to base clocks, keeping them at their all core boost indefinitely instead of for 2 minutes that Intel specs. IE. cheating by forcing the chip to run out of spec. A similar setting on my z390 9700k combo has it permanently sitting at 4.6GHz while under any load when the multiplier is set to auto. It never clocks down to the 3.6GHz all core max base clock as it should without editing a couple settings to force it to behave in spec.
Viewer from Brazil, keep the good job!
Your rants are good for listen to. Unfortunately your love of LEDs has made Mr Corsair richer and me poorer, but my computer looks fine!
Agree. I only have a rather subtle single blue LED on my CPU cooler because it came that way. My case only has a perforated area for a side-fan so I hardly see it.
@@BigEightiesNewWave It was getting hard in OZ to get computer stuff because of the virus
Going from 7227 to 7368 by just changing the mobo is barely 2% faster, does that really count as having been massively held back?
Didn't know Gaming = RGB, guess my Noctua build with a 12-core Ryzen and RTX 2070 isn't so gamer after all.
Seriously, market flooded with RGB clown vomit. I'm glad companies like Noctua know how to establish good looks (Chromax) and good performance without watt-consuming lights. 10W RGB fan, 7W only for RGB... lol
The problem isn't only with the system integrator, though. Most people who buy a PC from SI don't look at the motherboard chipset and it's not usually marketed to the customer. They see I3/5/7 or Ryzen 3/5/7/9 and whatever GPU is in there. SI trying to sell AMD systems also have this problem, a lot of boards they use are a320 for the cheaper systems.
It's down to the system integrator. Customers buying a prebuilt aren't necessarily going to realise that you need a Z series board (or a B/X series on AMD) to unlock the potential of the CPU, nor are they likely to know about XMP.
System integrators do know this and still poorly match components just so they can squeeze a couple more pounds profit.
@@cjmillsnun Not all SI are that way, though. With the recent prices of components shooting up due to human malware I went with a local SI to build my current desktop. I chose everything in the rig and what they charged for building/delivering/3 years of onsite warranty while still being cheaper than what I could get it on Amazon/Newegg for.
@Adamant IT - Good video as always cheers mate.
so i've overclocked an old Q9400 to 3,4 GHz from the stock 2,66 GHz, with a slight voltage boost, and the performance DROPPED by 5-7%. does anyone have an idea what's happening?
also, it suddenly runs faster than stock with just resetting the base clock and leaving the voltage as it was. the mobo chipset is G33 if it matters here.
From what you describe it looks like the cpu is thermal throttling. You dialed up those clocks manually but apparently the cpu is overheating under stress, so the “defense mechanism” of the cpu activates and dials it down to even lower than was before, hence the drop in performance. Did you check for thermal trotting when monitoring its performance under stress?
I genuinely believe your more educational and more entertaining to watch in comparison to louise rossman simply because your approach to things are more practical and realistic which we the common folks can relate of..also, love the english accent which is not too deep unlike eev blog which i find btw very annoying..keep the vids man stay safe 👍
Please upload the rant video. I got excited when you said you were ranting but got sad when you said you didn’t include them in the video. The subject of your rant is very relevant. If possible, we would like to watch your ranting part as well. Please, upload it.
What I miss from having an Intel-based system is the overclocking. It is pretty fun to go into the BIOS and start tuning the CPU settings to squeeze as much performance out of it as you can. With AMD, at least Ryzen Zen2, there's not really a benefit to doing so. I had a shot at doing it and nothing really came from it. Performance was often worse than stock settings. Zen2 processors really do not benefit from manual tweaking. Many videos and other information online about these CPUs seem to back this up. They also seem riskier to overclock because of the varying safe fixed voltages. No set safe voltage has been recommended and instead people have to find their "FIT" voltage if they want to dabble with manual overclocking. A lot of hassle and very little benefit.
Ryzen Zen2 practically perform to the best of their ability right out of the box. That's both awesome and annoying. Awesome for those that don't want to spend time tweaking things to get maximum performance and annoying for those that might enjoy the tweaking.
As for the video, I agree. Motherboards are quite important. They can easily hold components back. I first learnt this from a pre-build I had. It was an FM2+ AMD build and because the manufacturer fitted a really low-end motherboard with no VRM cooling on it, it meant the CPU could not be overclocked very well because if you tried, the VRMs would rapidly heat up and cause the processor to throttle. It didn't matter how good the CPU cooler was, the VRMs could just not take any real overclocking. Funny thing is, the manufacturer had overclocked the thing and out of the box it was severely throttling as soon as it booted into Windows. I had to tweak that thing so hard to bring it to a satisfactory level of performance. The board limitation annoyed the hell out of me once I started learning about overclocking itself and wanted to try it out. It was the primary reason I decided to build my own system once I had enough funds to upgrade from it.
So yes, never cheap out on a motherboard if you want to overclock. It's a recipe for disaster. I see a lot of these non-Z boards and K series processor pairings unfortunately. The K series CPUs really need a Z series motherboard. Otherwise, you're just wasting the processor. You may as well have bought a non-K CPU if you decide to cheap out and avoid a Z series motherboard. All it takes to ensure you've got a good pairing is to do some research. It'll save so much time and money.
Great videos
But it would be better if its a little short or segmented cuz 30-40mins is very long
And btw nice beard.
It sure would be nice if all the case manufacturers would standardize standoffs. For example 8 mm long metric m3 screw thread. Why do we need different standoffs?
I have a question is the i9 10900k and a 3070 rtx with 32gb of memory and a mainboard of MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK LGA1200 a good PC
About ram, I have Corsair vengeance LPX 3200 MHZ. Considering I have Ryzen 5 3600 I d like to replace it with 3600Mhz memory. In reality I can buy and sell my own easily without even spending much. Though I d like to buy Corsair RGB pro or TridentZ Ram. So should I OC my 3200 or should I buy 3600. Also few times I have tried to OC I have failed and even last time I was unable to use XMP after failed OC.
I was using one of those beQuiet coolers on a Ryzen 9 3900x. With all 12 cores under full load temps were approx 75C. So it's very good value.
Ryzen 9 with a budget cooler, that's brave :D
@@Ogk10 I used the same cooler on my 1700x previously and knew what the performance level was (1700x 95w TDP v 3900x 105w tdp). Also compared to the the included cooler with the 3900x the beQuiet is far more substantial not to mention much quieter.
Thanks for this comparison. Regards Nico.
I have about 25 run-of-the-mill standoffs in my spares drawer above the amount I usually keep. I'm in Germany, so I would have to look up shipping options, if you're at all interested.
Ah, I can probably buy them on ebay for the same price and save you the expense - I appreciate the offer though!
I feel like I’ve found one but what’s a good z390 atx board with good vrm, front panel usb c, nvme, wifi/bluetooth, and just looks nice at a low price, the one I think ticks all boxes is the msi gaming edge ac at around $190USD
yeah i agree its all about potential and the user's ability to truly utilize it. i know people who buy intel "z" boards and "k" processors just because they are the highest end, then never overclock or even set xmp!
Overclocking AMD is exactly the same as intel bang up the multiplier and voltage as necessary my 3600 does 4.4 all core @ 1.297v
I prefer to flog it.
26:14 With the Thaiphoon Burner you can check what Die is on the RAM. If it's Micron E Die it is possible that it clocks very fast. If it's DDR 4 3000 CL 15 it's surely Micron E Die.
Oh my god the dust on the shroud. Please clean those pcs before you work on them.
Hi bro i have ASUS Eee PC 1025c I want to know where charging ic
Wondering if you could help me with HWMonitor ? i have the latest version but it doesn't show individual core temps just the package node temp, do you know how i can change that ?
Go for HWinfo, it's a little more complicated (just select sensors only on start for temps) but it gives far far more data. HWmonitor has served me for a long time, but it's basically useless on Ryzen.
@@Adamant_IT ohh ok i am using Ryzen at the min might explain it, always worked fine for individual core temps for my 2600k
@@Adamant_IT Thank you for replying appreciate it, tried HWinfo64 but that doesn't show me individual core temps either :( hmmmm
great video,as always
Thanks for the great vids, just thinking, i used to take the black cpu cover off like you in this video before i bent pins whilst doing so, its supprisingly easy to do, i would make a point to your viewers to leave it on and let the cpu push it off when pulling the lever down. :)
Also never really thought memory speed makes a difference but having just bought a 2070 Super i went from to 2666 value ram to 3200. When running the FC5 benchmark i gained 14 fps so it really does, go on you for recommending higher speed ram its not even much more until you get over 3200.
How much is a build optimisation service if we send you a PC part picker list for you to suggest alternatives?
I really like the brown solder mask!
1:16 'go that little bit further' triggers the beard touch response... this is something he says to himself with regards to his beard... in the mirror whilst trimming it no doubt.
:)
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@Adamant IT
I noticed you mainly focus on Ryzen rigs, but maybe you can help.
I have a Z490M (Gigabyte) motherboard (Intel I7). Its all built, running, windows installed, but the rear audio is not working.
Windows detects the jacks being inserted, but NO audio. Front audio works fine. i wondered if you came across that at all. Apart from front ports, I have to use a USB sound dongle at the rear until I get this sorted out.
Drivers, or just Gigabyte being the usual shit ?
Try unplugging the front audio ports and seeing if the problem disappears. If that works, then there's something wrong with the front-audio ports/wire. If that doesn't work, it's a driver issue.
You can still manually override this problem in drivers - usually in the driver panel there's an option to 'Mute Rear Ports When Headphones Connected' - if you disable this, it'll keep the rear ports active all the time. This is a work-around though, not a fix.
@@Adamant_IT Hmmmm seems the Mute rear audio when headphones connected works, I could have sworn I tried that.
I had to use the Gigabyte Realtek Audio app, which I had to find through a system app search because there is no icon for it.
Thanks for the push back to that option :)
re: description, TH-cam doesn't support underscores for italics, but does support asterisks for bold. So, you should be able to get it to say *directly* and *unlocks potential* instead.
Oh yea I hadn't noticed... I think it just doesn't support them in descriptions, because _it does in comments_ as long as there's a space after the underscore. _Italics with punctuation after the underscore don't work_.
Sorry offtopic but can you suggest a book or any other source which explains the basics for repairing electronics, logic boards.
I own a Gigabyte B450, which is a Ryzen platform (as you probably well know), and the amount of fine tuning with regards to overclocking is comparable to the motherboard you're presenting, ie clock multiplier, voltage control, etc. I had the chance to play around with the settings when underclocking the CPU, because it was running too hot in that small, previously uncooled Silverstone ML08 case. Cooled, it runs at stock speeds with acceptable temperatures. I'm not trying to defend AMD - I'm just giving my perspective on things as I own one of their produts. Cool vid either way, might try some overclocking myself to see how many extra frames I can sequeeze out of this lemon without it going up in flames.
Absolutely. Intel is basically a matter of "z-series or bust" if you have a K-sku chip, where as on AMD, the B-series is a completely viable plaform for performance, as well as the X-series.
Gamer's Nexus did a long video on Ryzen overclocking recently, which I'm hoping will be a good crash course when I get around to watching it.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT MODEL HE SAID ABOUT THE BAD MOBO B450 TO OC?
Thank you mate! Keep the good stuff :)
at uk is a bit more expensive, but outside are coolers with really nice price / performance ratio, like arctic 34 at 24€ or silentiumpc fortis 3 34€
btw memory speed and timings matter on some games, not 3dmark, and if you have a gpu that delivers enough fps to notice that improvement
AMD is so easy to overlock. well, on other words, there is no way to overclock an 3xxx amd, because it comes with auto OC by stock. it adjust their frecuency so tight that is better to leave it at its own that trying to do manual OC
I often see pre-builts do this -- just use the cheapest motherboard that is compatible with all the parts. (Or at least, the cheapest name brand one.) The budget goes to the flashy stuff. Personally, the motherboard is the one thing I'd love to never feel the need to replace.
I'm not a fan of K cpus and Z motherboards for budget builds, I would either build the lower end i5, and if that wasn't enough, I would jump up to the locked i7, memory speed only matters when you are cpu limited, adding more cpu power more than offsets the benefits of faster ram.
Please tell me you cleaned the dust out of it......
What case model is that?
Two fans on a push pull, (Is there Rooom) as I would like to see little change in temperatures on want were small increases. I think a good manufacturer would have appreciated the feedback (Rant - On).
1/How important is it to earth the MoBo properly I have seen examples where apone opening the case revealed only a minimal number of screws securing the MoBo. how important is earthing and what are the symptoms?
I've never seen problems due to bad earthing. There's so many points that the system is getting earthed from, all of the black 0v lines are all chassis grounded, which in turn is referenced to mains-earth at the PSU. So even if your mobo only has one or two screws, the common 0v lines for the graphics card, drives, and so on, are all touching chassis metal everywhere.
Things should still be screwed in properly for the sake of build-quality - gremlins due to bad connections where connectors work loose are definitely real - but I've never seen 'electrical' issues due to grounding.
@@Adamant_IT Cheers that put my mind at rest... as its been an increasingly common and not to say an annoying thing i have been seeing. That plus laptops with all or most of the base screws missing. buying a set of Apple Pro screws is not cheap. also I have had so many problems with the new Dell XPS Laptops and replacing broken screens and indeed just getting to the main board.
I also watched your corrupt Bios and debug Vlog with great interest. For those of use that dont have the Bios flash kit, would purchasing two new bios chips sorted this problem?
Everyone can build a PC how ever they want. Like i place my psu down and you up. So keep building. Im from the USA 🇺🇸 btw.
Great content 😀 easy to follow 😀
Excellent content Sir.
hi i am a novice at computers i have been offerd a i7 4796 3.60 ghz for a £100 dont know much else about it but i see the cpus are going for about that price would you think this would be a good staring point to upgrade on a budget thanks it is a full pc
A full PC with an i7 4790k in it, for £100? Yea I'd buy that. It's an old machine, and a dead-end for upgrades, but with a good graphics card it'll still hold it's own for 1080p gaming. The PC I use to record all my videos is an i7 4770k with a GTX 960 in it.
Hi. Do u think a rtx 3080 will run ok on a Gigabyte Z370P D3-CF with an Intel i5-8600k CPU with 16GB Ram?
Sure, it'll be fine. The 8600k will have some overclock in it as well if you start messing around there. Apparently most of them will hit 5GHz without too much hassle. I only had mine at 4.8GHz stable (daily driver) but 4.8 all-core does feel noticeably faster on the 8600k. I was running 1.35v to get it there.
@@Adamant_IT Thanks very much. I just need to updgrade the power supply now, as it's only a 550 watts one, oh and actually find a 3080 for sale of course! Lol.
Sir i have i7 9700k(coolermaster hyper t4) with mobo msi B365m pro vh with 2 slot ram 8gb 3000mhz but motherboard only support 2666mhz. The question is i am worry about overclock because rumor tells OC may do kills the system and not getting the pc may longer. So i need your suggestion which do i need to open "k" cpu potential just because increase little speed but it might sacrifice the system pc life spam or just stay with my spec mobo with no worries???
Light/Medium overclocks won't damage the hardware in any real way, so long as you don't do anything stupid like put 1.5v+ into the CPU.
But yea, if you upgraded to a Z390 so you could run the RAM at 3000 or 3200, then add some light overclocking, you'll get more out of your CPU.
@@Adamant_IT tq very much SIR, now i can make my decision on next upgrade..
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Is it possible to damage the CPU by increasing the voltage too much in the bios?
Yes, but as a rule of thumb (on Intel) 1.2 and under is completely fine. You'd likely push up towards 1.3 (going in 0.025 steps) doing a basic overclock, this is fine, but check your temperatures. Then to the best of my knowledge, going past 1.35 is starting to get a bit sketchy on a _daily driver_ . Competitive benchmarking will often blow past that voltage, but you don't really want to be up at 1.4 all day every day.
I run 1.275v at home with an 8600k at 4.8GHz all-core. I could go to 5GHz, but I'd need to run about 1.325 or 1.35, and eeeeeh, I just don't need to.
Hello? I am a subscriber. While watching the video, I saw the microscope installed on the desk. Can I get a link to that product? I want that.
i agree cases should come with extree Standoffs
You put the air cooler backwards on, the sides on that cooler are not the same one is lower
Why do you take the cpu cover off before you put cpu in?
Because it makes zero difference, and I can remove all the packaging in one go before I start building up the board.
20 pound cooler? wow that thing is heavy .... : ) But on a serious note those are the worse sleeves on the psu wires I've ever seen, you can still see the ketchup and mustard
Do you never use an ESD strap ?
Why would he in a country with 80% humidity?
Well done, as usual Graham!
FYI my cats also give you a 👍🏻🐱 🎂
How's the coffee machine doing?
Did he troubleshoot a coffee machine ?
Yeah, Graham has a video about his “new & improved” coffee maker. 👍🏻☕️
Mmm, coffee ...
Fired up youtube and you where the first 14 recommended videos lol
Windows 10 is actually amazing. I didn't have to install any drivers when I built my computer - W10 found them and installed them all itself.
If it were my build, I could not slap a new board into that dirty case. A quick wipe with a damp cloth or a blow with canned air. Otherwise a great video.
If the case does not have an window the direction of the CPU cooler makes no difference as you do not see it.
I know super old vid, but i feel you should have explained better that viewers should be looking at "cpu score" instead than overall score as this program have separate tests for gpu and cpu. If you look at your starting cpu score at 5707 and the final 6470 you actually gained 13.3% of cpu speed, which is a decent uplift! :)
Still running in Legacy BIOS.
I love your videos and content. I disagree with mostly of the brands MSI and Gigabyte. They are horrible. 5:11 That is not how to take the socket off. Install the CPU first and the cover will come off. You may build 1 or 3 custom PC a month. I build 20 to 40. With that being said Use low meld solder.
I've had nothing but great experiences using MSI motherboards and gpus for years across all different platforms and gens of graphics cards never had any issues
Tbh I've come around to Asus a lot in the past year, I had an old grudge and it was time to bury it - so can agree about Asus being a good choice. I generally use what's cost-effective at the time. That being said, my faith in GB is on the low side right now, as they're the brand I've had the most grief with in recent history.
As for CPU sockets, it really doesn't matter, like, at all.
@@Adamant_IT I know everything is made in China. But I repair so much more than you. I dont do much solder work as you and I am learning from you and a few others. But Most failed boards are MSI and Gigabyte. I have even removed the bios chips and reflashed them with the same issue. I as some motherboards shipped to me with bent pins. Mostly from newegg. I normally build about 40 new a week.
mmmm Lotes socket... i wonder if my B450-A Pro has one, too...?
Jimmy Webb would have left that cake out in the rain.
Also links to parts you buy 👍🏻
Thank you M.r
I been using IBT since my 2500k.That 2500k was my first chip to get over 50x.
What is IBT ? And 50k of what ?
Intel Burn Test, and 50x multiplier - so 5GHz. Pretty good for a second gen Intel! But then I wasn't really on the scene back then, so no idea what the old chips could do.
ITB = intel burn test 50x100 = 5000MHz top speed for the cpu.
That IBT wasn't around when I had i7-930 at 4200 or the chip before.The scores on that IBT also shows error's when they start drop and I still use that test on my 9900k at 5200 MHz with 4000 ram.
H Chipset for locked CPUs and Z Chipsets for unlocked CPUs. I guess if the client was going to upgrade due to budget but then again better to just not bother in the first place.
What mmo's are you in to ? :)
Good outlook. You can't rock a K series and a 2060 with the low end chipset.
Quite right on removing the rant.
Totally waste of money in first place, putting K CPU in office motherboard and second changeing motherboard to gain just more. Only benefit is stability for that CPU because of better VRMs on motherboard. Day to day usage totaly the same, maybe little bit more FPS in games.