This is just incredible! I've seen probably 50+ of your videos and haven't yet found/heard a single statement of yours that's not exactly the same as mine. We're thinking the same over any issue you have faced so far. Probably that's why I simply adore your videos! Great job though!
I love these videos. I bought a used i7-2700K and managed to run it air cooled at 5 GHz, and it still feels fast. I think the 2nd gen was one of Intel's great achievements.
@@skoopsro7656 What boards are you looking at main brand boards now even the cheap ones are all black mainboard and the plastic parts on them are also either black or grey, unlike back in the day when boards used to use blue pcb's and blue and white plastic
I have a board about 2000, 2001. My 2005 HP looks better. My brother played with 486 and before. Tandy 64 I think... I started "imptoving " my 2005 HP ..
:( I clean my PSU filter on the weekly, but I have 4 cats. I flipped my brother-in-laws PSU around because he not only never cleaned the filter, but somehow lost it. Cleaning his PSU was probably the most spooked I've ever been when handling electronics. I'm genuinely surprised it survived with how much dog hair and cigarette ash I had cleaned out of it.
Adamant IT: "2nd Gen is ancient now." Me: * watching the video 2 years later on a Laptop with 1st Gen i5 * "It's okay Rocky. You go when you feel like it."
About the only motherboard repairs that are relatively simple are when those aluminum capacitors spew their guts and you can usually see the leakage. An ESR checker that allows you to check the capacitors when they're not visibly leaking runs about $40 USD. I can do the electronics but not the programming as you do. I'm watching this in Thailand in the 35-degree heat and that sweater looks like a form of Medevil torture.
Had the same problem on two MSI X99 SLI Plus motherboards. After troubleshooting it turned out to be that both motherboards didn't like SATA cables, not even brand new cables. My fix was M.2 drive
Same. this 9600 is only 40% faster than the original 2600. The main difference they will notice is the SSD. I will probably go through my 3rd gpu before I swap out the processor. Although the current gen stuff has finally got a 2x improvement.
44:00 I once read an article about lapped heat sink surfaces being a bad idea cause it decreases surface area at a microscopic level. Think of it like a radiator's fins vs a radiator with a flat surface "Which does not exist, but if it did...". It's seems that the most efficient surface mount is NOT a polished one but a brushed one. Similar to the IHS of all CPUs. There is a good reason why those are not polished. And I don't think it's to reduce cost... it is advised to let the applied thermal compound to fill in the gaps between both surfaces and provide a larger surface contact between the cooler and the CPU. Just thought I'd share that if you are interested. Thanks for all your videos.
Old video, so it don't really matter, but I'm surprised I didn't see a comment saying the cpu cooler fan retainers are on backwards. Not that I might not do the same thing, there was probably a team of engineers that tried to figure out the most unusual way to mount that. Reminds me of when I tried to help a friend replace a broken clothes dryer belt. I stop by and I couldn't make head or tails out of how the belt was routed. Luckily I had a variation of the same brand dryer, so I just looked at how my unbroken one was routed, lol. Oh, and you don't route the cables for the clear panel, you route them for the high-speed:low-drag air flow. 😜
You can hot plug the data cables to a rain array while pc is running and it will bring them up and they will show on all boot ups after.Worked for me anyhow.
man i love how you break things down...love the vids...got a t3500 mobo kinda doing same thing...oddlywont boot if you touch the normal pins now but mess with the cmos jumper n touch those together and it will start but no beep and no pic...tried ram..battery..cmos jumper..a quad core xeon and a hexa core xeon...2 500w power supplies...3 different graphics cards...fans don't spin on rx580 now...but lil 1g ddr2 card with no power plug the fan runs on but no pic...same wirh an old 256 mb card no pic...everything was working I booted down ..stayed at my gfs house and came back a day later and was having to jump the cmo pins to get it 2 come on...had date and time problems and did have a pic but today no pic and still have to jump cmos to get cpu fan to spin.im not sure what else to do...cant really get a picture to do much...thanks for any ideas...the seller did say he was sending a replacement so that was real nice of him...mobo cpu combo for 37.50 on ebay u.s.d….great deal w3565 ..3.2ghz-3.5ghz...4core8thread chip with it!!….already sold 1 system with a 3gig 1060...working on a 6core 2nd system for same guy...just ran into problems with this mobo I didn't have with the 1st build.:)
What you are thinking of in regards to Raid having issues is the old SCSI host bus adapters where it was allot more tedious to get the drive array working again.
Most people buy them & just use them like an appliance, oddly enough they don't expect to have to open the case any more than they would a washing machine. Apparently "typical users" bug you.
@@beardyface8492 People who don't clean their PCs are as lowly as people who don't clean their cars. Take care of your belongings. I don't have a driver's license but I swear I'd have a much cleaner car than literally everyone.
I know this is vid is nearly 2 years old but the Foxconn boards were the motherboard of choice for novatech in their budget barebones bundles. I must admit they were ok to the average user but they were very finnicky. I have many of those boards lying in a draw. I can't knock Novatech for using those motherboards because as I say, It was for their budget build for the home user / family PC. Novatech do sell high-end products too. They won't be the cheapest but as they are on my doorstep and I am impatient then I don't mind the 5 min drive to collect it from their showroom.
little late, but I have seen many of the 2. & 3. Gen Motherboards going bad just because of an corrupted Bios over Time. In around 70% of the cases, reflashing the Bios chip got new life in that boards.
You can't say " no one cleans there filter " anymore. I ALWAYS clean my pc's Man i just found you a short while ago and i'm really into them, most of them of coarse. Trouble shooting, I can't get enough. Thanx
Back in the days with a busted MoBo with onboard IDE-RAID, I got a PCI RAID card with the same chipset and a driver floppy for XP and it worked fine. I remember some pro IT guys telling me I would never get my data back. Still have that card (Rocket RAID). It worked well for years with some very good read/write speeds.
IDE-Raid. That’s old school! We used to do ultra-scsi raids back in the days for corporate purposes. Those are even slow compared to today offerings! I just did a raid-1 with two 2tb SSD’s for a customer. He wanted redundancy. I half to clone his old machine (intel) to a new AMD. That was an adventure in patience but worked out in the end.
Before I had ever seen your PSU fan upside mount, this has been my preference as well, but I will add that it is well worth the money to go with an 80+ Gold rating, if not Platinum or even Titanium ratings. I couldn't afford these higher end PSU's. My MSI A650GF 80+ Gold has a 10 year warranty which is the best option next to efficiency rating.
That is a great PSU. MSI’s been doing miracles in the PSU market recently. Their Ai1300P is what I use. A CWT built, 1300W 80+ Platinum beast. Would have gone Seasonic but they had no ATX 3.0 units at the time. Still, this beauty will last me and I don’t intend to switch it out for a long time.
I basically did a upgrade like this. Though, i went back another Gen. and got a Golden 5.3GHz i7 8700K for $280 and this was in Jan. 2018. I also found a z370 Aorus Gaming 7 motherboard to go with it for $145. Got a 16GB kit of GSkills FLARE X 3200CL14 (Samsung B-die) that overclocks to 4133CL17 for $90. I essentially got all 3 main (base) components to start a build. They were all open box items but, brand new with damaged boxes. $500 for a setup like this, i just couldn't pass up. Gaming 7 was $250+ board originally. I was very surprised to this board marked down, even if it was almost a year old. It looks awesome, lights up like a Christmas tree and has the best VRM out of any z370 board besides the GODLIKE. Using 10 (ISL99227B) 60A smart power stages in a 4+2 configuration but, double to an 8+2 using (ISL6617A) current balancing smart doublers. So its an 8 phase Vcore with 480A total current capability. And more powerful than most Z390 boards. It can also run the 8core 16thread 9900K. Which i eventually upgraded to. The i7 8700K that is still a monster, i put it in another z370 Aorus Gaming 7 that i got for $170. After such a great experience that i had with that board, i decided to get another one for the 5.3GHz 8700K. It was the only board i could find that would run it and not overheat. I had the Corsair Obsidian 500D case and 860i 860watt PSU and dual 1TB Samsung 970pro nVME M.2 drives which i put in RAID 0. The z370 Gaming 7 had 3 M.2 slots so i fugured it would be a good match. But, not really. the DMI 3.0 bottled the 2 970pros so i took them out of raid. One could still reach 3.5GB/s tranfer rates which is plenty of speed. It wasn't until i got Gigabytes z390 Designare, that i could RAID 0 2 of those 3500MB/s nVME's and actualyy get 7GB/s tranfer rates. Thanks to the PCIe direct to CPU lane distribution that the board had. Plus dual ThunderBolt 3 on board. Yeah, that one i had to get. I eventually made that one my editing rig. With all the money i saved by going with open box last Gen parts over the past 2 years. I was able to get a eVGA RTX 2080ti FTW3 Ultra which is pretty much one of, if not the fastest air cooled 2080ti's out there. I also got LG's 55inch C9 O-LED TV for the family. Couldn't be happier. 10th Gen may run a little more cool but there is no architectural upgrade past skylake. So, i think i'll wait for Golden Cove or some other Cove for my future PC needs.
It's not only hard to find MBs from that era, it's hard to find WORKING MBs from that era. Just bought 3 x 3rd Gen MBs and they were all faulty. One was faulty when it arrived - no onboard vid and one RAM channel dead. One totally failed after two days. And the last lost the network after 1 day. There is something from that era that makes MBs fail, because I have older PCs(Pentium 4, Core2Duo) that still work.
the older RAID Arrays were usually made up from SCSI Ultrawide HDD's and were very expensive and yes they had SCSI ID'S usually 1 thru 7 and they also terminators on the last drive to tell the array that there are no more drives after the termination jumpers. but when sata or sas drives were the new thing for arrays the serial chains were far superior and cost effective.
Bad power supplies can mess up more hardware than any one thing or component on a PC, that is why it is very important to test the psu before anything when doing a diagnostic on an intermitted hardware error, like cutting out. stuttering or just plain turning off unexpectedly(It's still known as a crash). I can spend 25 dollars on test equipment plus multimeter and without a doubt find a bad power supply. Rather than letting the PC crash or code up in an effort to find the problem, you can test a power supply before you try out the PC, If it isn't running on spec then it will damage drives , graphics cards and even CPU's due to improper voltage output. it is just reckless to put a system online before checking for hazardous conditions that can cause more damage
Most 2500k will hit 5k MHz if they have decent cpu power like1.5 volts on the cpu + good cooling on the MOSFETs.The HSF and the 970 are blocking cooling to the vrm and mosfet or the cpu power supply area.My wifes pc a cheap ASRock pro is also limited by mb cooling to vrms etc at 86c the cpu will start downclocking.This Foxconn also seems to be very weak in the cpu power area + that small case will run way to hot.
I had same 'Foxconn' motherboard and NO, would NOT buy that 'manufacturer's' M'board again.👀 I reasoned that they were a 'premium' board. OK for light work but as is the case with some mobo's, put some heavier demands on them and they WILL fail. 👀Over 40 years of PC building et + I've opted for certain manufacturers that I trust re future builds including certain components. I switched over to AMD within the last 10 years and Intel now is a distant memory.. 👍My top three mobo manufacturers are Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock.
The greater majority of Intel boards since the first generation core series do not count their ram slots in the order you were indicating, from socket to board edge they are numbered 4, 2, 3, 1. Slot 1 is farthest way from the CPU not closest.
It's probably already been mentioned in earlier comments - hey, you posted this a year ago - but you should have tried changing the CMOS battery. At 8 years old the battery was probably dead or dying, and the latter can cause interesting effects. Also, I'm surprised you didn't notice sooner that the banks of RAM were incorrect. As for it never being the CPU, always check the heatsink! I've cooked a CPU by accidentally putting the heatsink on the wrong way around so it doesn't contact the CPU.
@@deelkar : That is generally true. However, we do fix some motherboards, usually installed in commercial or industrial equipment, when they are obsolete and/or ridiculously expensive. That board behaved like it has a glitchy power rail. A half hour and a fresh lot of electrolytic caps might have stabilized it.
The first thing to do when working on a pc is to blow out all the dust. I heard an electrical pop at 8:50 and 9:35. . By the way... the memory is in the wrong sockets. I cannot stop watching this. i"m not a raid fan either- I know what you mean
11 mins in and it sounds like the MSI mobo I bought online for my i54690k. It'll boot into bios, run for 3-4 mins, then power cycle. After checking everything I found that the southbridge chipset was heating up to the point you couldn't touch it.........
My power supply is mounted fan down, but is on a hard surface, which is 3/4 inches from the bottom of my case, and I DO clean the filter regularly. Therefore there is always room temperature air going through my power supply.
The correct procedure is motherboard, CPU, RAM, CPU-cooler and testing, before mounting anything into the case... Especially if using second-hand older parts. Okay, seems it was new parts, so that's good, but still, I would mount and test before mounting, just in case - if something is then done incorrectly, like having a misplaced standoff in the case, you know it's something with the case-install that is causing issues, since it worked before doing that.
And about one build in 10 (or less), you'll save yourself a problem, the other 9+ you've wasted time, no problem if you're a hobbyist, no good if you're trying to make a living off it.
@@beardyface8492 bullshit. The building outside the case is basically the same as building inside the case. Depending on type of case/MB, ofc, but as long as regular ATX or EATX, you can 99% of the time just put the finished build into the case, without disassembling first. So the extra time you spend is maybe what... 10 minutes extra for the extra test? It's not noticeable.
My second-gen i7 still works very well indeed. But, it is sitting on a very good motherboard (Fatal1ty) and the Cooler Maser case is like nothing available today, so I hate to part with it. Have you ever seen a large Cooler Master case with a SATA drive slot on top? I never could find any ID on the case.....
I can only recommend RAID on either proper HW Raid controller with long term support (not those onboard things), pure software raid, or as ZFS (on linux or similar) especially if you want redundancy, because you are always dependent not only on the drives but the controlling hardware. This obviously does not hold if you use raid-0 or JBOD onboard-RAID modes, because then you obviously do not care about redundancy, but pure speed. Regardless of what you choose, make sure your backups are automated, and do work.
A bit of an old video, but still worth asking a question: given that you're able to suss out a lot of board level issues on laptops, and that (as you mention in the video) older generation motherboards are often hard to find (and tend to fetch good prices due to scarcity), do you put any effort into diagnosing and fixing the board after an upgrade like this? If you got it running it could fetch a decent price on Ebay after all.
update/reflash bios fixes such issues 50+ % of the time and replacing the bios chip fixes 80+ % of the time. but because retail consumer boards bios/CMOS chips are hard soldered in and not an ic set socket configuration. Still used in high-end server boards and mainframe birds. MOB is so cheap considering so a bad CMOS/bios chip makes it a throwaway board. I am just too old on computer tech.
I think if I saw this job today I might've been able to save that mobo. I've learned a hell of a lot about BIOS flashing over the past year that probably would've been invaluable to this video.
@@skylineboy092 As I said, it the Cmos chip is toast, and you can not post directly to the bios, the chip will need to be replaced and as I also said almost all MB's have the CMOS chip hard soldered to the board so replacing is difficult at best assuming you van get a good CMOS chip with bios loaded. If you are lucky it will post to the Bios but not let the operating system boot. If not, try supercooling the chip to see if it will post, it sometimes works. If not, the board is dead and not worth the time to fix in relation to the board's cost. High-end server boards and mainframe boards have the Cmos chip inserted in a socket and are much easier to swop out.
@@skylineboy092 Remove the CMOS chip and insert it in a CMOS programming bench board; If the chip will not respond to a firmware connection or fails to flash after a connection is made to the chip, the chip is toast. Not every run of the mill shop has this equipment. Large data center tech shops do. And not so easy on modern motherboards because the chips are no longer inserted into an IC chip socket, but hard soldered to the Motherboard. Most electronics board are throw away boards because of the difficulty in removing bad components to replace with good components. If you are working on old mainframes or proprietary servers that are no longer in production and not supported, the component level repair is a must and usually depends on a boneyard supply of doner components or boards from nonfunctioning computers. Take data centers that deal with financial and payroll data, they still run IBM big blue and old Wang and Digital mainframes. due to old data storage tech that is not cost-effective to transfer to modern media for storage and retrieval.
1. why single dimms? couldnt you find a 4gb x2 sticks? dual rams are always better 2. isnt it better to put all the components to the board before you put the board itself back to the case? same goes for the cpu cooler and its fans, just less hassle
I have a Foxconn mobo with an interesting fault. H77M board i7 3770 4 x 4GB cheapo RAM Bought as Advent branded machine from PC World with an HD6770 1GB graphic card. I upgraded to a GTX970 which worked fine unless the DP ports were used. It wouldn’t allow you to get into the BIOS and took forever to POST. Once running, worked fine. If hdmi was used, it worked fine. I assumed that it was a different Gen compatibility issue with the PCIe port. Added to the issue is that every BIOS that Foxconn made for the board would say that it was not the correct BIOS and refused to upgrade. Also, the BIOS on the board, Foxconn say doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it is an Advent specific BIOS for that board as it displays the Advent logo when POSTing. There is very little information online to help troubleshoot this issue. My solution was to buy a cheap second hand MSI Z77 from eBay. Having seen your BIOS chip programming video, I am tempted to have another play with this Foxconn board.
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Intermittent problems are the worst, i had one problem with my personal pc and i lived with/troubleshooted that issue for around a year. The problem was that pc had random shutoffs during the operation, regardless workload if im gaming, idling or 3D rendering those shut-offs were completely random it could be 10minutes after pc bootup or 8 hours after. i tested pretty much all components except cpu and mobo. (it was 32gb ddr3 1600mhz cl9, 4790k gtx 1070, z97P-D3 motherboard and be quiet straight power 10 600W psu). I tried all the solutions excluding changing components, i tried making sure that chipset ran at decent temp, resetting bios, updating/downgrading bios version, memory testing reseating every component, running outside the case, so on and so on, nothing helped. So i said f*ck it, and upgraded to x570 crosshair hero 8 and r7 3700x, no problems since. That motherboard was pretty bad, i ran 4790k at 4.6ghz and i guess it was a little bit too much for z97p-d3 motherboard with its trash vrm. Never again im skimping on motherboard.
What did you use to image the drives to be able to migrate to another drive? Sysprep or third party software? And do you have to reactivate software licencing? Thanks
They're not as sensitive as you were told. Also, if you have enough ESD to damage the part, the metal case or screwdriver will let you know with a spark.
I have a feeling that paste that was on there was pretty conductive. I've seen liquid metal eat finishes off plated metal.. but most modern pastes don't. and that looks to have been pretty old paste, and who knows what was in it.
Depend if its possible to fix or not (not because notebook diff, actually same boards) , in this case seems like fixing this board will cost = as new mobo in cash.
It's possible definitely but is it worth it, especially on an 8 year old PC? If it's your own PC and you have the spare time, sure. But if you're running a shop, the customer is not going to pay you extra even if it takes you the whole day repair the mobo; plus you won't know if the bad part is replaceable till you find it so it can be a wild goose chase from the start. Laptops; on the other hand, will not always have a replacement mobo available for purchase so repair may as well be the only option.
This infuriated me with the slipshod attempts to shortcut the repair! I started with the Mac and Mac PLus and moved on to pcs and have been building, diagnosing and repairing since the 8086 upwards.. FIRST order of business was spot on.. Replicate the fault WHILE WATCHING IT, not drifting off on a tangent. Next is to strip ALL peripherals to a bare bones system and see if it is cured, NO then ALL those are ruled out. Next swap in Known good ram.. NO? try the PSU, Still no? try a working CPU. THEN you can say it's the motherboard in 4 steps.. as it is you still have to prove its the mobo . It may well be but you didn't prove it.
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2nd gen i7 pulls like a horse. Its wrong to assume that its slow just because its a 2nd get. I would even dare to say that the 2nd gen is one of Intels all time best CPUs. I see no reason to upgrade and invest into that expensive DDR4 platform.
100% i7 2700k non oc still keeps up to a 8700k i think it was, the fps difference is like 5% if even most of the time, im running an i5 2500 an it still kicks
You should get a PCI tester to help get diagnostic codes out of old MOBOs like that. Newer ones may have a little 2-digit LED display already on them, or they may not have a PCI slot entirely, in which case you'd need a PCI express tester which I'm not sure exists.....does it ? :|
Ah good god I useto do alot of rma for foxconn boards 7 years back,i think there was like a 7\10 fail rate of that brand,we had a lot of swap out stock for replacement which made rma beautiful for customers that was from foxconn and they seemed to implement improvement with each shipment to us ,useto work for a company that useto be a sole importer for them in my country dunno if they still are or how good foxconn is now,but my experience is not a good one with them seem to have a high fail rate with bga joints on them but for the price its not a bad brand just needs abit of refinement from there production side,if you use foxconn with stadard settings and run it without clocks seen some that have lasted the test of time but try one overclock setting and issues arise but with the price point you cant complain you get what you pay for sadly knowing how big foxconn is you'd expect them to have some of the best boards around
Talk about old school boards way back pre 2014 era My first board was from Gigabyte and i always thought they were the best, turns out NOT my H61-M died its audio while i was cleaning it out, the ram DIMM also died with fuming smoke when i tried an incompatible ram (back when i was still inexperienced with PC's) the thing still works on my house. but its now popping an bios error everytime i boot it up. good thing it has dual bios (coincidence?) I also have an asrock board AM3 from 2009. Board works fine no issue. Its just that its so outdated that it doesn't support uefi/AHCI config which bug me a lot because the old drivers from 2006 is so slow for boot up times but the board has given me zero issues so far even when im abusing it by taking it out of the case a lot of times/min maxing whatever ram i find. So far heres my take on the boards MSI - better than usual, though they make unusual stuff Gigabyte - makes cheap and disposable boards, pros: cheap, cons: cheap Asus - solid board maker, with exception of few Asrock - Somewhat decent/good built quality but their old bios suck or their weird features sometimes doesnt make sense Biostar - Basic board, WYSIWYG thingy. they do have bad tier at the bottom of the barrel chipset Foxconn - like biostar but sometimes a bit better ECS - DONT, unless its a freebie from a school who stop using ECS as their computer lab motherboard there are other boards, but this ones is what i have experience with. just my one cent to them
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I know this was a year ago but those clips for the cpu fan were back to front. I've done the same thing before lol
This is just incredible! I've seen probably 50+ of your videos and haven't yet found/heard a single statement of yours that's not exactly the same as mine. We're thinking the same over any issue you have faced so far. Probably that's why I simply adore your videos! Great job though!
I love these videos. I bought a used i7-2700K and managed to run it air cooled at 5 GHz, and it still feels fast. I think the 2nd gen was one of Intel's great achievements.
yep, still got my i7 4790k still good for me.
Motherboards have changed drastically in appearance over the years.
The good ones yes. The cheapo boards look about the same. Maybe a few less bright colors on the low end.
@@skoopsro7656 What boards are you looking at main brand boards now even the cheap ones are all black mainboard and the plastic parts on them are also either black or grey, unlike back in the day when boards used to use blue pcb's and blue and white plastic
that board is from about 10 years ago
I have a board about 2000, 2001. My 2005 HP looks better. My brother played with 486 and before. Tandy 64 I think...
I started "imptoving " my 2005 HP ..
:( I clean my PSU filter on the weekly, but I have 4 cats. I flipped my brother-in-laws PSU around because he not only never cleaned the filter, but somehow lost it. Cleaning his PSU was probably the most spooked I've ever been when handling electronics. I'm genuinely surprised it survived with how much dog hair and cigarette ash I had cleaned out of it.
Adamant IT: "2nd Gen is ancient now."
Me: * watching the video 2 years later on a Laptop with 1st Gen i5 * "It's okay Rocky. You go when you feel like it."
how's your laptop? checking since it's been 2 years since this comment.
@@BeezyKing99 it's still ok and working but i don't use it as often since i got a laptop from work.
About the only motherboard repairs that are relatively simple are when those aluminum capacitors spew their guts and you can usually see the leakage. An ESR checker that allows you to check the capacitors when they're not visibly leaking runs about $40 USD. I can do the electronics but not the programming as you do. I'm watching this in Thailand in the 35-degree heat and that sweater looks like a form of Medevil torture.
I found myself re-watching this mystery videos on Sunday morning, they are antidote for Monday.
Had the same problem on two MSI X99 SLI Plus motherboards. After troubleshooting it turned out to be that both motherboards didn't like SATA cables, not even brand new cables. My fix was M.2 drive
With most issues, I tell clients to make notes of the time that issues come up. Then I start with the logs in the OS & see if there is pattern.
Dear sir,absilutely superb fault finding,a most exellent job sir,steve from the uk
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Adam: 'Second Gen is ancient now.'
Me: - Still using a first Gen i5 no worries.
Same. this 9600 is only 40% faster than the original 2600. The main difference they will notice is the SSD.
I will probably go through my 3rd gpu before I swap out the processor. Although the current gen stuff has finally got a 2x improvement.
@@der0keks Now the 14900K is bonkers and demolishes everything xd.
@@crylune lol. Only twice as fast after 12 years. Pretty pleb improvement
@@der0keksTwice as fast in what
my guy? It could be up to 10x as fast, or more, in multicore tests. Single core it just slaughters.
44:00 I once read an article about lapped heat sink surfaces being a bad idea cause it decreases surface area at a microscopic level. Think of it like a radiator's fins vs a radiator with a flat surface "Which does not exist, but if it did...". It's seems that the most efficient surface mount is NOT a polished one but a brushed one. Similar to the IHS of all CPUs. There is a good reason why those are not polished. And I don't think it's to reduce cost... it is advised to let the applied thermal compound to fill in the gaps between both surfaces and provide a larger surface contact between the cooler and the CPU.
Just thought I'd share that if you are interested.
Thanks for all your videos.
Ouch thats one dirty filter! I always keep my filters clean.
haha the power supply name is a message novatech corp was the name of the military arm that made johnny 5 in movie short circuit lol
I clean my filter haha, but your 100% right about mounting it upside down very good point.
Old video, so it don't really matter, but I'm surprised I didn't see a comment saying the cpu cooler fan retainers are on backwards.
Not that I might not do the same thing, there was probably a team of engineers that tried to figure out the most unusual way to mount that.
Reminds me of when I tried to help a friend replace a broken clothes dryer belt. I stop by and I couldn't make head or tails out of how the belt was routed.
Luckily I had a variation of the same brand dryer, so I just looked at how my unbroken one was routed, lol.
Oh, and you don't route the cables for the clear panel, you route them for the high-speed:low-drag air flow. 😜
very nice upgrade, the customer should be well pleased with it
@herbert even i3s have caught up to the performance of old i7s now!
Another excellent repair video from Adamant IT.
of course the win 10 is on those spinners and spinners are painfully slow for win 10. id definitely move win 10 to the ssd
You can hot plug the data cables to a rain array while pc is running and it will bring them up and they will show on all boot ups after.Worked for me anyhow.
The Raid configuration insures against hard drive failure.
I dream of having a shop like this. Or something like free geek does.
"... aging hardware, with some exotic mods..." 😄
Great step by step change over and trouble shoot! ............................ AJ
man i love how you break things down...love the vids...got a t3500 mobo kinda doing same thing...oddlywont boot if you touch the normal pins now but mess with the cmos jumper n touch those together and it will start but no beep and no pic...tried ram..battery..cmos jumper..a quad core xeon and a hexa core xeon...2 500w power supplies...3 different graphics cards...fans don't spin on rx580 now...but lil 1g ddr2 card with no power plug the fan runs on but no pic...same wirh an old 256 mb card no pic...everything was working I booted down ..stayed at my gfs house and came back a day later and was having to jump the cmo pins to get it 2 come on...had date and time problems and did have a pic but today no pic and still have to jump cmos to get cpu fan to spin.im not sure what else to do...cant really get a picture to do much...thanks for any ideas...the seller did say he was sending a replacement so that was real nice of him...mobo cpu combo for 37.50 on ebay u.s.d….great deal w3565 ..3.2ghz-3.5ghz...4core8thread chip with it!!….already sold 1 system with a 3gig 1060...working on a 6core 2nd system for same guy...just ran into problems with this mobo I didn't have with the 1st build.:)
Achronis, macrium reflect ate Good to clone. Windows will be OK reactivated. You may have a problem with ms office.
What you are thinking of in regards to Raid having issues is the old SCSI host bus adapters where it was allot more tedious to get the drive array working again.
Bugs me when people don't clean their PC's
Most people buy them & just use them like an appliance, oddly enough they don't expect to have to open the case any more than they would a washing machine. Apparently "typical users" bug you.
@@beardyface8492 its filthy lol
@@beardyface8492 People who don't clean their PCs are as lowly as people who don't clean their cars. Take care of your belongings. I don't have a driver's license but I swear I'd have a much cleaner car than literally everyone.
I’ll clean my computer when a problem arises, otherwise it’s fine. Not like I’m staring inside it all day while using it.
I’ve subscribed… fun videos… I love that job.
I know this is vid is nearly 2 years old but the Foxconn boards were the motherboard of choice for novatech in their budget barebones bundles. I must admit they were ok to the average user but they were very finnicky. I have many of those boards lying in a draw. I can't knock Novatech for using those motherboards because as I say, It was for their budget build for the home user / family PC.
Novatech do sell high-end products too. They won't be the cheapest but as they are on my doorstep and I am impatient then I don't mind the 5 min drive to collect it from their showroom.
little late, but I have seen many of the 2. & 3. Gen Motherboards going bad just because of an corrupted Bios over Time. In around 70% of the cases, reflashing the Bios chip got new life in that boards.
You can't say " no one cleans there filter " anymore.
I ALWAYS clean my pc's
Man i just found you a short while ago and i'm really into them, most of them of coarse.
Trouble shooting, I can't get enough.
Thanx
Thats cool you know the standoff layouts, i take them all out and mark them through the board and anywhere I see a dot I put a standoff
I feel relieved you used an MSI board. I had problems from Hell like you did with Gigabyte H61 board. Now using a used MSI H81 and problems are gone.
I love MSI hardware.
RAID 0 why oh why. Yes it's a faster read but if one drive fails that's it all data gone.
fair point you make, why all the fuss indeed.
Back in the days with a busted MoBo with onboard IDE-RAID, I got a PCI RAID card with the same chipset and a driver floppy for XP and it worked fine. I remember some pro IT guys telling me I would never get my data back. Still have that card (Rocket RAID). It worked well for years with some very good read/write speeds.
IDE-Raid. That’s old school! We used to do ultra-scsi raids back in the days for corporate purposes. Those are even slow compared to today offerings! I just did a raid-1 with two 2tb SSD’s for a customer. He wanted redundancy. I half to clone his old machine (intel) to a new AMD. That was an adventure in patience but worked out in the end.
Before I had ever seen your PSU fan upside mount, this has been my preference as well, but I will add that it is well worth the money to go with an 80+ Gold rating, if not Platinum or even Titanium ratings. I couldn't afford these higher end PSU's. My MSI A650GF 80+ Gold has a 10 year warranty which is the best option next to efficiency rating.
That is a great PSU. MSI’s been doing miracles in the PSU market recently. Their Ai1300P is what I use. A CWT built, 1300W 80+ Platinum beast. Would have gone Seasonic but they had no ATX 3.0 units at the time. Still, this beauty will last me and I don’t intend to switch it out for a long time.
I have the same issue....thanks yt algorithm XD
Thanks for the video dude XD
I basically did a upgrade like this. Though, i went back another Gen. and got a Golden 5.3GHz i7 8700K for $280 and this was in Jan. 2018. I also found a z370 Aorus Gaming 7 motherboard to go with it for $145. Got a 16GB kit of GSkills FLARE X 3200CL14 (Samsung B-die) that overclocks to 4133CL17 for $90. I essentially got all 3 main (base) components to start a build. They were all open box items but, brand new with damaged boxes. $500 for a setup like this, i just couldn't pass up. Gaming 7 was $250+ board originally. I was very surprised to this board marked down, even if it was almost a year old. It looks awesome, lights up like a Christmas tree and has the best VRM out of any z370 board besides the GODLIKE. Using 10 (ISL99227B) 60A smart power stages in a 4+2 configuration but, double to an 8+2 using (ISL6617A) current balancing smart doublers. So its an 8 phase Vcore with 480A total current capability. And more powerful than most Z390 boards. It can also run the 8core 16thread 9900K. Which i eventually upgraded to. The i7 8700K that is still a monster, i put it in another z370 Aorus Gaming 7 that i got for $170. After such a great experience that i had with that board, i decided to get another one for the 5.3GHz 8700K. It was the only board i could find that would run it and not overheat. I had the Corsair Obsidian 500D case and 860i 860watt PSU and dual 1TB Samsung 970pro nVME M.2 drives which i put in RAID 0. The z370 Gaming 7 had 3 M.2 slots so i fugured it would be a good match. But, not really. the DMI 3.0 bottled the 2 970pros so i took them out of raid. One could still reach 3.5GB/s tranfer rates which is plenty of speed. It wasn't until i got Gigabytes z390 Designare, that i could RAID 0 2 of those 3500MB/s nVME's and actualyy get 7GB/s tranfer rates. Thanks to the PCIe direct to CPU lane distribution that the board had. Plus dual ThunderBolt 3 on board. Yeah, that one i had to get. I eventually made that one my editing rig. With all the money i saved by going with open box last Gen parts over the past 2 years. I was able to get a eVGA RTX 2080ti FTW3 Ultra which is pretty much one of, if not the fastest air cooled 2080ti's out there. I also got LG's 55inch C9 O-LED TV for the family. Couldn't be happier. 10th Gen may run a little more cool but there is no architectural upgrade past skylake. So, i think i'll wait for Golden Cove or some other Cove for my future PC needs.
lol 4 sticks and it's only 8 gigs, though has not tasted the true power of the PC master race!
Hey can you stop making videos so I can finally put my phone down and get some sleep. 😂 Great content man.
Best channel i have seen compliments..
I bet the customer was delighted now their computer was resurrected and faster!
It's not only hard to find MBs from that era, it's hard to find WORKING MBs from that era. Just bought 3 x 3rd Gen MBs and they were all faulty. One was faulty when it arrived - no onboard vid and one RAM channel dead. One totally failed after two days. And the last lost the network after 1 day. There is something from that era that makes MBs fail, because I have older PCs(Pentium 4, Core2Duo) that still work.
the older RAID Arrays were usually made up from SCSI Ultrawide HDD's and were very expensive and yes they had SCSI ID'S usually 1 thru 7 and they also terminators on the last drive to tell the array that there are no more drives after the termination jumpers. but when sata or sas drives were the new thing for arrays the serial chains were far superior and cost effective.
Nice Mobo, better than those h310-m boards...
Bad power supplies can mess up more hardware than any one thing or component on a PC, that is why it is very important to test the psu before anything when doing a diagnostic on an intermitted hardware error, like cutting out. stuttering or just plain turning off unexpectedly(It's still known as a crash). I can spend 25 dollars on test equipment plus multimeter and without a doubt find a bad power supply. Rather than letting the PC crash or code up in an effort to find the problem, you can test a power supply before you try out the PC, If it isn't running on spec then it will damage drives , graphics cards and even CPU's due to improper voltage output. it is just reckless to put a system online before checking for hazardous conditions that can cause more damage
great video as usual from Adamant
Most 2500k will hit 5k MHz if they have decent cpu power like1.5 volts on the cpu + good cooling on the MOSFETs.The HSF and the 970 are blocking cooling to the vrm and mosfet or the cpu power supply area.My wifes pc a cheap ASRock pro is also limited by mb cooling to vrms etc at 86c the cpu will start downclocking.This Foxconn also seems to be very weak in the cpu power area + that small case will run way to hot.
I had same 'Foxconn' motherboard and NO, would NOT buy that 'manufacturer's' M'board again.👀 I reasoned that they were a 'premium' board. OK for light work but as is the case with some mobo's, put some heavier demands on them and they WILL fail. 👀Over 40 years of PC building et + I've opted for certain manufacturers that I trust re future builds including certain components. I switched over to AMD within the last 10 years and Intel now is a distant memory.. 👍My top three mobo manufacturers are Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock.
I have that same wireless keyboard the Logitech K400+ and love it
The greater majority of Intel boards since the first generation core series do not count their ram slots in the order you were indicating, from socket to board edge they are numbered 4, 2, 3, 1. Slot 1 is farthest way from the CPU not closest.
SIX ! Nice copper heat pipes.
It's probably already been mentioned in earlier comments - hey, you posted this a year ago - but you should have tried changing the CMOS battery. At 8 years old the battery was probably dead or dying, and the latter can cause interesting effects. Also, I'm surprised you didn't notice sooner that the banks of RAM were incorrect.
As for it never being the CPU, always check the heatsink! I've cooked a CPU by accidentally putting the heatsink on the wrong way around so it doesn't contact the CPU.
i just posted that lol.
Hello, i found your channel a few days ago,and i´m loving it.Keep up the good work. This board,like the laptop boards, isn´t fixable?
From my experience it's usually BER beyond economical repair, i.e. you would pay way more for labour than the boards replacement cost.
@@deelkar : That is generally true. However, we do fix some motherboards, usually installed in commercial or industrial equipment, when they are obsolete and/or ridiculously expensive. That board behaved like it has a glitchy power rail. A half hour and a fresh lot of electrolytic caps might have stabilized it.
Hopefully he orientated the fan clips into their proper position off cam.
The first thing to do when working on a pc is to blow out all the dust. I heard an electrical pop at 8:50 and 9:35. .
By the way... the memory is in the wrong sockets. I cannot stop watching this. i"m not a raid fan either- I know what you mean
I had the same thoughts about cleaning and would have not mixed RAM (if DDR2)
11 mins in and it sounds like the MSI mobo I bought online for my i54690k. It'll boot into bios, run for 3-4 mins, then power cycle. After checking everything I found that the southbridge chipset was heating up to the point you couldn't touch it.........
Would have been handy to know about that 500 quid before hand. Install cpu, ram and m.2 when it’s outside of the case far easier
had that issue a month ago, new motherboard, ram and PSU no issues.
The Raid on Intel Core chipsets, (RST or Rapid Storage Technology), has always been backwards compatible for me.
I clean my power supply filter every couple of weeks! And my power supply gets a dust out every couple of months!
I clean my filters once a month. If not more. But I also wouldn’t need to take it in to have someone else troubleshoot issues
My power supply is mounted fan down, but is on a hard surface, which is 3/4 inches from the bottom of my case, and I DO clean the filter regularly. Therefore there is always room temperature air going through my power supply.
I'm on 1st gen i7-920 in 2021, still rocking.
The correct procedure is motherboard, CPU, RAM, CPU-cooler and testing, before mounting anything into the case... Especially if using second-hand older parts. Okay, seems it was new parts, so that's good, but still, I would mount and test before mounting, just in case - if something is then done incorrectly, like having a misplaced standoff in the case, you know it's something with the case-install that is causing issues, since it worked before doing that.
And about one build in 10 (or less), you'll save yourself a problem, the other 9+ you've wasted time, no problem if you're a hobbyist, no good if you're trying to make a living off it.
@@beardyface8492 bullshit. The building outside the case is basically the same as building inside the case. Depending on type of case/MB, ofc, but as long as regular ATX or EATX, you can 99% of the time just put the finished build into the case, without disassembling first. So the extra time you spend is maybe what... 10 minutes extra for the extra test? It's not noticeable.
I really enjoyed that one....thanks
My second-gen i7 still works very well indeed. But, it is sitting on a very good motherboard (Fatal1ty) and the Cooler Maser case is like nothing available today, so I hate to part with it. Have you ever seen a large Cooler Master case with a SATA drive slot on top? I never could find any ID on the case.....
Intermittently dead motherboard Thinks hmmmm is it a Gigabyte ???😂🤣
I can only recommend RAID on either proper HW Raid controller with long term support (not those onboard things), pure software raid, or as ZFS (on linux or similar) especially if you want redundancy, because you are always dependent not only on the drives but the controlling hardware. This obviously does not hold if you use raid-0 or JBOD onboard-RAID modes, because then you obviously do not care about redundancy, but pure speed.
Regardless of what you choose, make sure your backups are automated, and do work.
A bit of an old video, but still worth asking a question: given that you're able to suss out a lot of board level issues on laptops, and that (as you mention in the video) older generation motherboards are often hard to find (and tend to fetch good prices due to scarcity), do you put any effort into diagnosing and fixing the board after an upgrade like this? If you got it running it could fetch a decent price on Ebay after all.
update/reflash bios fixes such issues 50+ % of the time and replacing the bios chip fixes 80+ % of the time. but because retail consumer boards bios/CMOS chips are hard soldered in and not an ic set socket configuration. Still used in high-end server boards and mainframe birds. MOB is so cheap considering so a bad CMOS/bios chip makes it a throwaway board. I am just too old on computer tech.
I think if I saw this job today I might've been able to save that mobo. I've learned a hell of a lot about BIOS flashing over the past year that probably would've been invaluable to this video.
The pc didn't even POST. How would he flash the BIOS?
@@skylineboy092 As I said, it the Cmos chip is toast, and you can not post directly to the bios, the chip will need to be replaced and as I also said almost all MB's have the CMOS chip hard soldered to the board so replacing is difficult at best assuming you van get a good CMOS chip with bios loaded. If you are lucky it will post to the Bios but not let the operating system boot. If not, try supercooling the chip to see if it will post, it sometimes works. If not, the board is dead and not worth the time to fix in relation to the board's cost. High-end server boards and mainframe boards have the Cmos chip inserted in a socket and are much easier to swop out.
@@skylineboy092 Remove the CMOS chip and insert it in a CMOS programming bench board; If the chip will not respond to a firmware connection or fails to flash after a connection is made to the chip, the chip is toast. Not every run of the mill shop has this equipment. Large data center tech shops do. And not so easy on modern motherboards because the chips are no longer inserted into an IC chip socket, but hard soldered to the Motherboard. Most electronics board are throw away boards because of the difficulty in removing bad components to replace with good components. If you are working on old mainframes or proprietary servers that are no longer in production and not supported, the component level repair is a must and usually depends on a boneyard supply of doner components or boards from nonfunctioning computers. Take data centers that deal with financial and payroll data, they still run IBM big blue and old Wang and Digital mainframes. due to old data storage tech that is not cost-effective to transfer to modern media for storage and retrieval.
1. why single dimms? couldnt you find a 4gb x2 sticks? dual rams are always better
2. isnt it better to put all the components to the board before you put the board itself back to the case? same goes for the cpu cooler and its fans, just less hassle
It's so much easier to assemble the HSF and cpu and ram outside the case.
29:21- Always clean your CPUs directly above your LGA socket.
Working under a camera teaches a lot of bad habits of not wanting to reposition the camera 😅
I have a Foxconn mobo with an interesting fault.
H77M board
i7 3770
4 x 4GB cheapo RAM
Bought as Advent branded machine from PC World with an HD6770 1GB graphic card.
I upgraded to a GTX970 which worked fine unless the DP ports were used. It wouldn’t allow you to get into the BIOS and took forever to POST. Once running, worked fine. If hdmi was used, it worked fine.
I assumed that it was a different Gen compatibility issue with the PCIe port.
Added to the issue is that every BIOS that Foxconn made for the board would say that it was not the correct BIOS and refused to upgrade. Also, the BIOS on the board, Foxconn say doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it is an Advent specific BIOS for that board as it displays the Advent logo when POSTing.
There is very little information online to help troubleshoot this issue.
My solution was to buy a cheap second hand MSI Z77 from eBay.
Having seen your BIOS chip programming video, I am tempted to have another play with this Foxconn board.
I was hoping to see the mobo repaired, not just replaced :(
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Intermittent problems are the worst, i had one problem with my personal pc and i lived with/troubleshooted that issue for around a year. The problem was that pc had random shutoffs during the operation, regardless workload if im gaming, idling or 3D rendering those shut-offs were completely random it could be 10minutes after pc bootup or 8 hours after. i tested pretty much all components except cpu and mobo. (it was 32gb ddr3 1600mhz cl9, 4790k gtx 1070, z97P-D3 motherboard and be quiet straight power 10 600W psu). I tried all the solutions excluding changing components, i tried making sure that chipset ran at decent temp, resetting bios, updating/downgrading bios version, memory testing reseating every component, running outside the case, so on and so on, nothing helped. So i said f*ck it, and upgraded to x570 crosshair hero 8 and r7 3700x, no problems since. That motherboard was pretty bad, i ran 4790k at 4.6ghz and i guess it was a little bit too much for z97p-d3 motherboard with its trash vrm. Never again im skimping on motherboard.
What did you use to image the drives to be able to migrate to another drive? Sysprep or third party software? And do you have to reactivate software licencing? Thanks
I am cringing when he touches CPU surface with fingers 😱
Because ?
Humidity is like 80% where he is.
They're not as sensitive as you were told. Also, if you have enough ESD to damage the part, the metal case or screwdriver will let you know with a spark.
I have a feeling that paste that was on there was pretty conductive. I've seen liquid metal eat finishes off plated metal.. but most modern pastes don't. and that looks to have been pretty old paste, and who knows what was in it.
Did he clean the CPU and put on fresh paste?
@@retprof9922 I dont even remember writing this. No idea. Idk were anyone even gets conductive thermalpaste tbh. No idea what I was talking about
Just a general question, DIMM modules matched in 1,2 and in 3,4 but should they not be matched 1,3 and 2,4?
47:25 possibly mold growing on fan ? 😂
lmao
Good stuff here 👍
OLD case but LOOK at ALL the BAYS!
Is it not possible to fix the motherboard? I have seen you fixing notebooks motherboards, what's the difference with this?
Depend if its possible to fix or not (not because notebook diff, actually same boards) , in this case seems like fixing this board will cost = as new mobo in cash.
It's possible definitely but is it worth it, especially on an 8 year old PC?
If it's your own PC and you have the spare time, sure. But if you're running a shop, the customer is not going to pay you extra even if it takes you the whole day repair the mobo; plus you won't know if the bad part is replaceable till you find it so it can be a wild goose chase from the start.
Laptops; on the other hand, will not always have a replacement mobo available for purchase so repair may as well be the only option.
jesus, both of you need to dust your computers.
used to hate raid but yeh its a lot simpler now with windows 10
This infuriated me with the slipshod attempts to shortcut the repair!
I started with the Mac and Mac PLus and moved on to pcs and have been building, diagnosing and repairing since the 8086 upwards.. FIRST order of business was spot on.. Replicate the fault WHILE WATCHING IT, not drifting off on a tangent.
Next is to strip ALL peripherals to a bare bones system and see if it is cured, NO then ALL those are ruled out.
Next swap in Known good ram.. NO? try the PSU, Still no? try a working CPU. THEN you can say it's the motherboard in 4 steps.. as it is you still have to prove its the mobo . It may well be but you didn't prove it.
love your videos
That dust on the fan is just awful 😖
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2nd gen i7 pulls like a horse. Its wrong to assume that its slow just because its a 2nd get. I would even dare to say that the 2nd gen is one of Intels all time best CPUs. I see no reason to upgrade and invest into that expensive DDR4 platform.
100% i7 2700k non oc still keeps up to a 8700k i think it was, the fps difference is like 5% if even most of the time, im running an i5 2500 an it still kicks
You should get a PCI tester to help get diagnostic codes out of old MOBOs like that. Newer ones may have a little 2-digit LED display already on them, or they may not have a PCI slot entirely, in which case you'd need a PCI express tester which I'm not sure exists.....does it ? :|
The're cards that have both, you can just turn them around
Ah good god I useto do alot of rma for foxconn boards 7 years back,i think there was like a 7\10 fail rate of that brand,we had a lot of swap out stock for replacement which made rma beautiful for customers that was from foxconn and they seemed to implement improvement with each shipment to us ,useto work for a company that useto be a sole importer for them in my country dunno if they still are or how good foxconn is now,but my experience is not a good one with them seem to have a high fail rate with bga joints on them but for the price its not a bad brand just needs abit of refinement from there production side,if you use foxconn with stadard settings and run it without clocks seen some that have lasted the test of time but try one overclock setting and issues arise
but with the price point you cant complain you get what you pay for sadly knowing how big foxconn is you'd expect them to have some of the best boards around
foxconn is a shoddy brand, go with ASUS
Frankly, the very first thing, a pc shop should do is blow out the dust and back up the hard drive. Before doing any diagnostics.
I haven't seen you check if it's not a PSU fault, a down voltage on the motherboard
Talk about old school boards way back pre 2014 era
My first board was from Gigabyte and i always thought they were the best, turns out NOT
my H61-M died its audio while i was cleaning it out, the ram DIMM also died with fuming smoke when i tried an incompatible ram (back when i was still inexperienced with PC's)
the thing still works on my house. but its now popping an bios error everytime i boot it up. good thing it has dual bios (coincidence?)
I also have an asrock board AM3 from 2009. Board works fine no issue. Its just that its so outdated that it doesn't support uefi/AHCI config which bug me a lot because the old drivers from 2006 is so slow for boot up times but the board has given me zero issues so far even when im abusing it by taking it out of the case a lot of times/min maxing whatever ram i find.
So far heres my take on the boards
MSI - better than usual, though they make unusual stuff
Gigabyte - makes cheap and disposable boards, pros: cheap, cons: cheap
Asus - solid board maker, with exception of few
Asrock - Somewhat decent/good built quality but their old bios suck or their weird features sometimes doesnt make sense
Biostar - Basic board, WYSIWYG thingy. they do have bad tier at the bottom of the barrel chipset
Foxconn - like biostar but sometimes a bit better
ECS - DONT, unless its a freebie from a school who stop using ECS as their computer lab motherboard
there are other boards, but this ones is what i have experience with. just my one cent to them