Porsche 718 GTS Jb4 vs APR Stage 1 Tune Dyno Test Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ย. 2019
- Here we go! We have a head to head on 93 octane. Two different tunes on the same vehicle with the same dyno and test conditions. I am just a consumer, and am not affiliated with either company. These opinions are my own, but these numbers do not lie!! LIKE, SUB and ENJOY!
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The problem with starting to tune your car is that it is addictive. I started to run a flash stage 1 like yours last year, and stage 2 this season, (catless dp, open intake, and a new flash)the car is blistering fast and I have been on several track days ,Nürburgring and pushing the car to the max all the time, and it is still in one piece
The car runs perfect, no warning lights, nothing.
So just enjoy!
I have a manual boxter gts
Wow great
Awesome job. The car looks great and we were loving those numbers. Thank you for the review!
APR my pleasure! I love it! Can’t wait to do the Stage 2!!!
@@killmoderc6815 Have you heard anything more on a stage 2 tune?
@@killmoderc6815 Do you have any mods installed in your vehicle at the time of this video? Or was it pure stock the car and a straight up APR 1 tune? How much was the price I’m in California.
Apr never even responded to getting my 718 tuned here in Australia. The dealer sent the ecu code to APR as they could upload the file and never heard back from then. Poor service.
Thanks for sharing, very good numbers and a very sensible analysis. Nothing beats a proper developed flash tune and APR does phenomenal R&D.
Nice numbers! Badass vehicle you got man it was a pleasure to go for a ride in it! 400+ hp is wicked in a vehicle that lightweight
Amazing results! 👍
The APR tune turns this car into an amazing vehicle bar none! It feels like a BEAST. The APR tune does make the exhaust more aggressive. I noticed that right away!
Any issues at this point?
@@LateNightDateNight zero
@@cstraley I’m picking up my cayman S tomorrow!! Anything I should know about the apr tune? I live in the US and I can only find a stage 1 tune. 91 is the highest octane where I live *
@@1Ricky1 Apr stage 1 tune is perfect imo. You will love it. My recommendation is don't tune it right away. Drive it for at least a month and then tune it. You want to be sure the car is running perfect, and it will give you a good baseline feeling for the car. Congrats
Awesome video. Great advice. Happy for you
That is literally the most perfect daily driver!
Thanks for the video!!
Beautiful car. Fantastic video thanks! You sealed the deal for me. I'm seeking my 991.1 and getting this car w this tune. I started tracking my car and the cayman is the way to go. That car w this tune oh man 🏎🏎
Unbelievable video, very entertaining, specially the narrative. I dropped my jaw when you said that you already ran low 11's on stock tires. What do you exactly ran? very impressive. Congrats.
Fantastic video well done!!!
Sweet Leo, you got a baby monster!
Killer stuff.. serious business!! Hope all is well .. 👊🏼💯😇
Do you still by any chance have the GTS? And awesome video!
Have you ran it at the track again? We're what times were you able to achieve?
Great vid. Did you end up getting 1/4 mile runs done?
any long term update on the tune ? any issues ? how many miles have you put on with the tune? i am thinking of getting one thanks
awesome video. do you have to worry about factory warranty tho?
very nice and perfect content keep it up
Selling all those brushless killmode RC motors and caopacks finally paid off. Lol
Nice job... congrats!! 👍👍
Just about to put in my drag addition killmode 2900kv. Hope to see some of the rc stuff again?
When will you upload the quarter mile times? GO APR!
Need a video update on this one! Not many 718 GTS out there with mods! These things are beasts.
I know its been a few years. Just curious on how the tune worked out in the long term. Any issues?
Any 1/4 mile times? I would be happy with low -mid 11's in my MANUAL GTS with Downpipe and a tune. I can see pdk's hitting high 10's this year.
Just got a '24 718 S. Didn't notice on APR site it was approved for '24 but assume it might be? Can the warranty from the factory remain intact? That's a big ask I'm guessing.
Would be nice to see a JB4 v3 pull. The comments are impressive. Unfortunately, Ill have to wait till spring to try mine out.
Cool testing! Nice to see the JB4 adding decent power, although it's too bad you didn't test the latest v3 firmware we published the other day. Feedback has been really positive on it in terms of added power over the previous firmware especially on map3.
As we always say not everyone wants to dive in to reflashing their vehicle and the JB4 provides a great alternative. It can also be used in conjunction with flash maps for logging, fine tuning, E85 mixtures, and other features, for the more aggressive guys.
How JB4 deal with 91/93 octane switch?
Did you do the tune yourself? It looks like APR sells a DIY kit, but wanted to ask as I am a novice.
WHERES the next video man!? What times did you run? I need more! More!!
Yeah APR is great. Had tune in my VW and NEVER had any issues. Love your car bruh! What year BTW?
Just got a base 718 6MT can’t wait to do an APR exhaust and tune
When will the APR tune be available to the public???
I have a piggy back tune on my 718 S, was planning to add downpipe, but the car is so much faster than anything that challenges you in real life there is no need for it yet, most of the time you are 5 car lengths ahead by 60mph. These 4 cylinder turbo's are insane. All it take is one loss and then down pipe will be ordered lol
Sounds awesome. What are some of the fastest cars you've beat?
everything you can think of, new cars and multiple times, camaro ss, camaro 1LE, mustang gt, bmw m3, bmw m4, every dodge charger you can think of, all with at least 5 car lengths, except one, it was just one car length, I think it was a brand new M series bmw, could have been electric, could not see it as i had to jump on interstate, would like to know what it was, the car is like a magnet for stop light challenges, i try to control my self but adrenaline takes over, always open road for safety and country roads@@Max-dd6ep
Do you still have the car? If you do, any issues since the video?
Great video
Thanks
@kill mode rc How's the car still functioning? any issues? did you take it to the track yet with the exhaust? curious to see how much power it makes with the downpipe.
Purekoryo still loving it! I have not had time to install the dp yet, but I’m hoping to do it soon
@@killmoderc6815 Thanks, looking forward to your next video with the downpipe. Keep up the great work!
@@killmoderc6815 hey bud! Just following up to see if you had any issues and installed the downpipe to notice any difference in power torque. I'm so close to closing the deal while it's on sale. Thanks!
What year is your car?
Does this car feel equally as fast a stock f80 m3 ?
Is the diverter valve leaking?
Experienced any issues to date? I am considering the APR Stage one on my 718 CGTS. Obviously nervous as my car is still under warranty
Did you ever do it?
@@LateNightDateNight i did not. Only added an exhaust to it. Sold the car about a year ago. If it were PDK i would have
I'd do an APR for sure if I had more control over swapping maps myself. I have a Boxster coming around Christmas, but I'd be hesitant to get a tune now and have to rely on a tuner to keep swapping it or updating it as I make modifications i'm sure i won't be able to resits over time. Plus there is only 1 APR installer within like hours of me, so if i end up needing to reset or do an update and that shop closes i'd be kind of in trouble.
I'll probably go Cobb for this reason. Never been comfortable with the idea of piggybacks. I want the car to know what it's doing.
THanks
What time for 1/4 and 100-200?
What front lip is that?
APR stage 1 on my Cayman GTS is nothing short of Phenomenal!
That's awesome. What do you think it does in the 1/4 mile tuned?
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 I will have to try it on my dragy before I do the exhaust.
@@cstraley have you tried the 0-60 mph and quarter mile?
@@MellomanAlexyeah, he ran 12.9
@@videogazer801 12.9 is worse than stock
how is this awd?
Was going to subscribe to your channel but then saw this was your only video (excellent, by the way) of the 718 and it a year old 😳
Hope you’re ok, please post an update...
Linear pedal map actually makes it more predictable, but often times less 'responsive'. Sport tunes or even default sport modes on cars often just bump up the throttle early in the pedal so it FEELS like you're getting more power because at 10% throttle you're getting 30-40% of your power right away. For the average street driver your brain then thinks you still have way more power in reserve, but you actually dont, and the last half of the pedal is usually pretty dead feeling. If its linear, you know how much power you're commanding, and also have more control of getting on to power when cornering (for the track people). If you get on 30% power with 10% throttle you may be giving it too much and lose traction. Where as if you could precisely get 25% you might get a great boost out of a corner. I don't track either, but i generally like linear just because it is predictable and i know what it's gonna do. I personally don't need it to "Feel" faster with less throttle input. That's almost always what people who get an off the shelf tune are feeling on their first drive and then they suspect they are sensitive enough to notice a 10hp difference at some low RPM.
are you worried about reliabliity?
Very nice review. Is this a S tune or a GTS specific tune? I understand APRs test car has been an S not a GTS. Also is your dyno reading a little high? 410 RWHP is > 450 hp at the flywheel, or ~ 400 hp stock with 10% drive train loss. Very nice numbers but seems too high to be true. Regardless the gains are certainly there!
Don I work for APR, we’ve tuned Base, S, and GTS cars. All different. 410 rwhp in the summer is spot on. Our own dyno results were very similar to these. Stay tuned for the release!
@@arinahnell What do you consider drive train loss to be to calculate flywheel power? These are certainly the largest Stage 1 gains I've seen for the GTS out of six different tuners. Will be interesting to see the comparison with the S tune. Exciting times ahead for the 718! Look out GT3s and good bye GT4!
Don check out goapr.io/718gts, I share crank and wheel graphs. The relationship will differ depending on dyno, but mostly most over estimate, and use percentages, which isn’t very accurate.
@@arinahnell awesome to see you on here Arin. I’ve had an APR tune on my VW CC for 6yrs now. Also running a dual port meth injection setup to help with IAT’s and octane rating. It’s amazing how she runs, like a scalded dog 🐕!!! It will literally walk away from GTI’s and other 2.0L’s.
But it’s time for a change, looking forward to getting a 718 S /GTS and getting the APR tune on it. Love the R&D you guys put in, definitely worth it.
Please put out more videos on all of your mods and tunes, too much goodness to not be showcasing it on TH-cam!
wait why you on a awd dyno??????
Do u loose the warranty when tuning it with APR ?
No
The JB4 only adjusts boost and fuel and does not have the ability to change many parameters in the OEM ecu. That's why the ECU flash generated more power.
Buck N Ride no doubt, but from what I saw on the data logs, the boost increases were very minimal, only around 1.2lbs
@@killmoderc6815 Did you drive it around with the JB4 or just go right to doing pulls? From what I've read JB4 needs drive time (50 miles or more I think, but don't quote me), and several full throttle runs before it fully adapts. The APR is good to go right away because everything is already optimized, doesn't have to deal with the stock ECU parameters at all.
Cobb v3?
That's crazy leo fast like your rc's
Henry fords rc haha imagine if it really was!
Look at the AFR on jb and on the apr tune... AFR 13 at top end on JB and richer mixture on APR
How are the front wheels rotating?
It’s a 4 wheel dyno, the dyno rollers all spin together, which usually results in slightly lower results than other dyno’s.
How's the car holding up with the tune? Any issues?
Funny no one responds if there are any issues
@@mpower3144 if you look there’s comments saying no issues and they are recent ones, I’m getting my S tomorrow and getting tuned same day!
Good numbers, but comparing a full on tune to JB4 default maps is not really fair. Map 6 is where it's at. I had a MK7 VW that was JB4 only custom tuned myself map 6 and it would walk other apr and unitronic tuned MK7's.
Cant wait to see the tunes on the flat six
On to bigger and better things... I still remember #KillMode I have one of your rc motors but never installed it. Still waiting to grow up. Pass your previous hobby this way Sir. Love seeing people doing what they LOVE with nothing to prove. #ingShorty360 ❤
JB stack over the apr1 next time please! killer setup!👊🏻
Interesting, to me the difference in my '18 GTS with the JB4 felt pretty substantial. The extra low end torque alone was worth it, imo - and it went beyond that.
That said I was looking at making the car a bit more spunky and didn't care much at all about straight line power, so ymmv depending on expectations.
(no association with any company either, just a satisfied JB4 customer)
I need a 8s motors for my limitless speed run car
Where you been what happened to you??
Did you add a DownPipe yet?
Michael Stephen not yet. Been so busy. Hoping to do it soon.
@@killmoderc6815 I go tomorrow for the Stage 1 w/dp file and was curious if you noticed a change having the DownPipe. But since you've not done it yet, I'll just thank you for the prompt reply. I will add that the sound improvement alone is worth having the DownPipe installed!
Michael Stephen for sure! If you dyno it, please let me know the results!
@@killmoderc6815 Will do! I have an 718 S, so I doubt I'll get the numbers you are with the larger Turbo on the GTS
Michael Stephen I believe the result are not too far apart. I’d definitely like to hear what you get, because if you end up with the same# or slightly higher, that would tell me the down pipe is the difference. I’m definitely interested to see your results.
Is this the 2.5T or 4.0L?
2.5
Wait, is this Cayman all-wheel drive?
no it's mid engine rwd.
Its a 4 wheel dyno, it eliminates the problems you get with traction contol or PASM interferring.
Best way to measure difference is go for 100-200 run
Diff car but jb4 custom map is where it's at. I ran 12.5 on jb4 map4 and 12.3 on custom map6. Both 94 octane. My car did not like map 2 or map3. Should stack the flash and jb4 for all the gains 👌, nice car
Yep, the real magic is flash tune with jb4 custom map on top
Nothing new here, JB4 was never a great thing. It was OK in the days you had to install expensive modify ECU but with today ECU flashed software, it's really not needed.
Kind of weird to cherry pick stock dyno numbers.
BS he’ll never help you even if you try to email him... and don’t wait for a reply because you’ll never get one
The car is outputting 360 wheel HP stock? Lmfao Porsche and their habit of understating their power figures. Assume 10% mechanical lost (which is more than fair), that's around 400BHP, while Porsche claims 365. No wonder the 2.5L GTS feels so fast, it's 365hp on the wheels!
Can anything be done about the exhaust note?
When you buy a Porsche product you want it to sound like a Porsche not a Subaru.
The good news is The 2020 Porsche 718 Cayman 4.0 will have the naturally aspirated glorious sounding engine from the GT4. Woohoo.
This car will out run that GT4 all day long! Show us your 2020 GT4 or STFU... Move on Troll!
@@CarJunkie Ironically you're not wrong. These turbo 4's do work.
I've always liked them due to the weight reduction and how easy they are to maintain and work around in the engine bay. (Same reason the Japanese do it.)
I can understand how NA 6 cylinders are Porsche's bread and butter but, I believe the 5 cylinders Audi makes are the sweet spot.