We have around 20 charging stations in our underground parking at work, I'll be showing my bosses your video first thing tomorrow. Thankyou for your uploads.
@@ChuckvdL having 20 chargers inside is not going to convince any EV owners to park outside, is it? And by putting these cars door to door, the domino effect of one battery in thermal runaway will just tear through that place at an unimaginable rate. Even a working sprinkler system will be quite useless in such a situation. Let's take these cars outside where there is sufficient space to fight the fire and less chance of destroying the building. EV's burn at temperatures that will melt the concrete above and below it.
@@Dr.Jellyfingers all cars react poorly in unsuppressed fires and internal combustion cars catch on fire at a rate 4 times that of EV’s. Thus if you have fire concerns regarding garages at work, maybe focus on actual risk statistics and making sure the fire suppression works, and not demonizing EV’s out of fear
100,000$? That's a ridiculously low insurance cover. Just consider crashing into a Lamborgini ... is an Insurance cover that low legal in the US? When I had my first motorcycle in 1982, the liability insurance would have covered up to 500,000 DEM (German Marks). That time it was the equivalent of $300,000. Not much later lowest insurance covers in Germany were limited to 1 million DEM. Nowadays they are basically unlimited in most of Europe, except for damage to persons which is limited to 7.5 million € - per person. We had a case in Germany where a DUI driver crashed into a tanker truck that was filled with gasoline, forcing it down from an autobahn bridge. It exploded, and the fire damaged the bridge. First estimates were 250 Million € for replacement of the entire bridge (Wiehltal bridge, Autobahn A4). It was possible to repair - total cost 30 mill. €, covered by insurance. Even if it had been 250 million, the insurance had been liable to cover it. Insurance companies form an insurance pool for these incidents.
@@vuuuuuulllllllllllllIUuuuuuuuu Point well taken - I avoid Chinese products whenever I can. I don't own an EV but another down side from what I read is that insurance cos. will total an EV that has only slight damage to the underside where the battery is located because of potential future problems with the battery. That would bother me - a small "fender bender" and you need to replace the whole car. That sounds crazy to me and too risky for my financial situation.
@@vuuuuuulllllllllllllIUuuuuuuuuYhea, EVs with korean batteries, like the Chevy Bolt - have never burned out...😅 Them korean batteries even burn in smartphones, dude.
And 300 cars from diesel car fire is sustainable? Like car park fire at Stavanger? Where burning fuel spilled to multiple floors? Fires will happen! Question is, what can we do, to minimize damage.
Year ago I was purchasing a slot in a multi-garage parking house. Seeing that EVs were prohibited by the contract surprised me back then. Since then I learned a bit. 😁
I live in South Korea, and this fire burned all the electrical wirings on the ceiling and heavily damaged water/sewer pipes. The thick black smoke contaminated all the upper floors. The total damage is over 7 milion dollars and hundreds of residents have to move out for weeks because until the repair is done, no water, no electricity. No one was able to stop the fire in the first tens of minutes, common fire extinguishers were no use, and maybe working sprinkler system could have stop extensive damages being done.
@@sandyfoot the sprinkler system would have prevented going car to car and it might have been able to limit the damage except in the direct neighborhood of EV's that got caught in this mess. It will not stop the original EV from burning. But one thing is really sure: the sprinkler system would not have prevented any damage. But it could have limited it. As long as batteries themselves are not on fire then it can help.
After that RORO burned in the north sea I saw videos demonstrating how effective a soaker system actually is. It is very effective at preventing spread. The main difficulty is that you need to keep the water on for hours. So you better hope that your drainage is working properly.
@@MrWiseinheart The video I am talking about was specifically testing EV fires. ICE vehicles had higher peak energy release under a drencher system. But the EV has the problem of relighting when the drencher system was turned off.
Personal EVs have always been harm reduction. You don't get orders of magnitude energy reduction until you abolish R1 zoning (which bans multifamily housing and commercial in cities) and get people on mass transit. Trains can be electrified using an overhead line, instead of a massive battery.
Insurance companies won’t insure your home because of the possibility of a hurricane or forest fire but they’ll insure a vehicle type known to catch fire and/or explode. I guess they want the future to be more dangerous and expensive.
No, not necessarily. You may see EVs as all the same but there have been an evolution of battery design and battery chemistry. The batteries are becoming longer lived and less flammable. Solid-state is supposed to solve the fire problem completely. No flammable electrolyte. One problem is the average consumer treats the battery like a gas tank and tries to keep it full all the time. If more people stored their cars with 50%-60% the fire risk which is already low would likely be a non-issue. And to DCFC from 50%-80% is about 20 minutes in most EVs if they decided they wanted to travel. And the battery ages much slower at 60%-50%. In most EVs that is still ~150 mile of range.
If EVs were any other household appliance, the EU would have banned them by now. Where are all the nanny state health and safety bureaucrats when you need them?
It's all about electrification at ANY cost. All this smart crp is such a good means of controlling you. They will be your prisons eventually. Physically and psychologically like those horrible phones.
Umm, if EU were going to ban EVs as being high fire risk, then they would have banned petrol cars decade's ago. YES, the type of fire risk from an EV is different, but overall, it's NOT worse. FACTS: Petrol cars are many, many times more likely to catch fire than an EV. Different fire departments, insurance companies, and national safety organisations state between 20 to 50 times more likely. VIDEO you just watched stated the biggest factor in this incident was the lack of a working fire sprinkler system.
EV’s have tens of thousands of electrical/mechanical failure points just within the battery pack. Add erroneous software management with environmental conditions…well…just doesn’t make any sense does it.
@@RobertETH I am terrified that already high 400V in car installation is going to be replaced by 800V. It is dictated by machanical properties of charging installation. But most people even educated but not experienced have no much knowledge that risks are not growing porportionaly to voltage. I would think about it as rather parabolic due to decrease of dusty/dirty surface insulation and grow of heat power to square of voltage .
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 I would use porcelain insulation and every year washing and dusting all installation. We do it by safety regulations in every ship installation every 5 years but there is only 3x 440VAC Lucky that I don't need to produce EVs.
2:53 - notice the same dark smoke coming from the scooter (rather than white smoke of the cell phone) as that poor guy in the elevator, just before the battery goes SUPER NOVA. ironically looks like NASA test firing a Rocket Motor.
EVs are ticking time bombs. You don't even have to own one to be seriously affected by their shenanigans. We shouldn't have to put up with this level of spontaneous danger.
@@Theweouthereforrealclub- "In recent geologic times, low CO2 concentrations below 600 parts per million might have been the stimulus that favored the evolution of C4 plants which increased greatly in abundance between 7 and 5 million years ago over plants that use the less efficient C3 metabolic pathway.[109]" - "Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere" wiki page Atmospheric pressure was also higher when we had megafauna.
For every EV fire, dozens of petrol fires were avoided. FACTS: Petrol cars are many, many times more likely to catch fire than an EV. Different fire departments, insurance companies, and national safety organisations state between 20 to 50 times more likely. VIDEO you just watched stated the biggest factor in this incident was the lack of a working fire sprinkler system.
@@johnpublicprofile6261 Perhaps that has to do with the fact that there are 50 petrol cars for every EV. Also, when a petrol car catches fire it is easily extinguished this Mercedes battery garbage destroyed every car in the garage and injured many people in the building above, a specialty of the environmentally friendly EVs!
The notion that each EV prevents 50 ICE fires is a nonsensical notion! Most ICE fires occur in older cars that suffer electrical faults, it is a much rarer event to have a fuel system fire! EVs are every bit as susceptible to electrical fires outside of the battery as ICE cars, also please note the EV fleet is very new whereas the ICE fleet has cars over 100 years old!
How is this safe for the environment again? Just told my wife as we were looking at downtown condos, if they allow EVs to park in their underground parking there is NO WAY we will buy a condo in a building that allows that. Outside of the actual damage that will happen as these batteries degrade, I know I would never get a good night's sleep because I would be thinking about one of my neighbor's cars going into thermo runaway. Again, that is a BIG NO!
I guess one of the reasons the heads of state aren't driven in EV's is because you've effectively put the bomb in the car already. Yes, Diesel and Petrol vehicles catch fire, but generally not as a stationary parked vehicle. Yes, Diesel and Petrol fires can kill, but generally you have more indication that something is wrong and therefore more time to escape. I do not hate EV's but I do hate when people try to force a solution on others where the solution barely fixes one problem whilst introducing a whole new problem and risk. The petrol in my car is not sitting there with thousands of droplets thinking "I might be having a moment" but an EV battery is sitting there with thousands or cells/batteries with each one thinking "I want to show my full potential" and "I don't think they manufactured me properly.....do you think they manufactured me properly....hey.....I'm talking to you.....yeah.....don't make me mad.....don't make me...."
@@MrVolodus Really. So the Chinese gentleman who was incinerated by an eBike battery in an apartment block lift......have you seen that video? Or the "Tesla set itself on fire and exploded in Shanghai China！" have you seen that video? These incident have literally no warning of a problem and go from zero to raging inferno in 1 or 2 seconds.
Just discovered your channel- congrats on your clear and level headed explaination. One extra thing- let people know that the off-gassing from LION batteries are extremely toxic to humans- suggest people to run upwind asap. Youve earned a subscription ! ;)
Not lithium, it's not a real problem - the cobalt oxide is it can turn the battery into an incendiary device. LFP batteries are probably *much* safer - either either heavier or provide less capacity.
@@jmsether China is actually introducing cars with sodium batteries. China is also the biggest automarket in the world, and car manufacturers who want to sell there have to fulfill a quota of EVs sold which is rising every year. Starting in 2035, new cars with combustion engines may only be sold in the EU if they can run on fuels which can be produced CO2- neutrally. The EV is not going to go away - the ICE car is.
@@ElwoodEBlues I bought an ioniq 5 and I am about to trade it at a major loss. I could not find any chargers around in a 50 mile range because every single one was ripped out of the ground. The only insurance I can find is charging me almost 600 a month. My house insurance just went through the roof. Plus I can't park in parking garages because they all banned EVs from parking here. I have been told multiple times to stop charging my EV at home. And the final reason is the HOA said I can't own an EV for it being too big of a fire risk. Ya, EVs have a very bright future. I'm never buying one again. I wanted one because they were amazing on paper. In reality they fell amazingly short in every department.
@@ElwoodEBluesany ICE car with current engines can run with synthetic fuel with only minimal mods or none at all. They’re already using these fuels in racing categories. BEVs are the most idiotic chapter in human transportation ever. A brand new BEV has had 70% more carbon footprint than an equivalent ICE car. Are you aware of this?
It person build house on his own with own saved money it is no way that would take any such risk to have it complete devastated in 3 hours. That is the difference.
We live in a residential complex near Berne, Switzerland and in our underground parking garage have two EVs (both Volvos) parked, with their own chargers - quite far back. We have no sprinklers etc installed and when they first arrived arrived we asked the building administration about safety. They said there were no concerns because even the Swiss fire service has no bad experience of EVs. Yeah, right! Until something happens, that is. Our parking space is close to one so I know for sure, if it lights up our car is gone. And the insurance will never pay enough to buy a replacement. Also our motorcycles will go up too. It frustrates me but there's nothing we can do.
Look up Toronto subway e-scooter fire. It took out a whole rail car and the fire chief gave bs statement about safely charging e-scooters. Noboby ask basic question how do you charge it while commuting in subway, but our media is 99% government subsidized.
Greetings from Australia. A very well thought out instructional video. Thank you! If only the worlds politicians could apply common sense like you do....
WOW ! That car was not charging, And was parked for 3-days ? Holy moly ! We'll never find out what cause the battery to off-gas. The intense fire will have destroyed all the battery's physical structure. By the way, is that security footage 1-to-1 time or speed-up?
A question: Is EV more hazards then fuel car at fire? And is fuel car more at risk to start burn. Here in Sweden we see that EV-people talk them warn to safety of EV and fuel car burn more often. Great channel and contents.
As if underground parking wasn't bad enough, what about tunnels? Imagine the carnage if one of these things decided to throw its toys out the pram during a rush hour.
A fire hazard should NOT be located where it hampers egress for other people and their vehicles. Not at the exits. Nowhere near the exits! I suggest that they should instead be in an enclosed space that can be completely shut off from other vehicles, from waterways, and from the atmosphere. When you can't stop a fire you must CONTAIN it!
It is reported that immediately before or after the fire started, someone in the office turned the sprinkler system to off. The sprinklers were working. This is another point of investigation.
See, the issue with EV's is much worse than ICE's. Someone builds an ICE poorly, it just runs like crap or doesn't run at all. At worst it'll leak some fuel, but can still be easily put out and contained. EV's on the otherhand basically are IED's if the manufacturer takes any shortcuts or (as most people do) people don't maintenance their vehicle correctly.
Over the years I've seen a number of cars burn. And without exception they've been old crappy looking cars. Cars that were poorly maintained that nobody could afford to care for anymore. cars that were near the end of their lives. But any electric car that burns is invariably a new expensive well-washed model. What's it going to be like a few years from now when they're older and more worn? I can't imagine that these things will catch on fire less as they reach the end of their lives
Other than banning all EVs from enclosed areas, including garages attached to homes, I cannot see how any regulations can reduce the risks from these large chemical batteries.
One of Sprinkler valve was reported defected a month prior but it is unknown for other sprinkler valves That means someone deactivated the system. (They didn't use common wet sprinkler system, they used dry sprinkler system)
Just a thought: Imagine a passerby, just casually walking nearby, upon seeing the smoke, decides to get close to that thing just out of curiosity. Death by inhalation or burns. It is all a matter of rolling the dice and timing. Example? The incident of a man walking into an elevator with a battery pack, as soon as the doors of the elevator closed, his fate was sealed.
Why should we learn to deal with this. These batteries are dangerous and their use should be discontinued until something better is found. At the very least they should be banned from all parking structures and there should be no charging indoors. We do have a perfectly good means of powering our vehicles that doesn’t spontaneously catch fire and there’s no reason to stop using it until the electric replacement is safe and practical. No reason other than politicians trying to force us to use them. Let those that want electric have them and deal with the inconvenience and dangers involved the rest can keep using what works and is practical.
There was another Mercedes EQE that caught fire in Florida about a year ago. That car was also not charging, just parked for about 22 hours. I think that Mercedes also used Chinese battery.
@@yootoobvyooer The problem is not the origin of the battery. The Electric Viking did a YT video on this one (he's a bit of an EVangelist, so take everything with a bag of salt). Mercedes only uses NMC (aka NCM or turnary) batteries and those are much more likely to self-destruct than LFP (LiFePO4) batteries. Also there have been recalls of this model after the Chinese government got too many fire reports on Mercedes EV's. But Mercedes is not the only brand having issues with NMC. The Porsche Taycan is now involved in a lawsuit for sinking the car carrier Felicity Ace, and it has had a recall. It has also been spotted as a burnt vehicle on the Fremantle Highway, although that situation has been carefully managed by the PR department. It may have started the fire, but the crew that reported an EV starting the fire to the coast guard immediately after rescue has kept quiet ever since. And for all the EVangelists out there: Yes, these fires don't happen a lot, but when they do, it is a nightmare to put out. And we are not talking about 20 year old models here. These are all shiny new cars in the hands of people who have plenty to spend on proper maintenance.
@@SolAce-nw2hf Time when all today new cars will be 20 years old will be exactly 20 years later. Rare today accidents will be multiplied accordingly to incerese of number of EV cars. Now it is in USA only 1%
@@Mikexception It is hard to predict as there are no decent statistics even separating EV from ICE causing the fire. My bet is that all EV makers will switch to LFP or another chemistry at some point. Just about every EV / PHEV fire I have read about was an NMC battery. Okay, maybe there are far less LFP EV's out there, but even the big battery makers promote this chemistry showing how much safer they are then their own NMC product with nail penetration tests. Also the entire solar market is now abandoning NMC and selling LFP because of it's safety advantage, even now NMC overproduction is dumped at record low prices with decreased demand and factories not being able to switch to LFP. For colder climates I see Sodium-Ion as a nice alternative, maybe complementing LFP for the cold start of an EV. These batteries deliver 90% of their rated output at -20 Celcius. So 20 years from now, maybe EV battery fires will be a thing of the past.
An EV catching fire during charging, or while stationary is unacceptable. If the issue is due to manufacturing defect, or insufficient safety system, then the manufacturers should be held liable, to recall/ground the specific model, if they could not provide sufficient evidence of safety within 30 days. May be all EV charging places should have a flame detector alarm and available fire retardant blankets(like portable defibrillators), to protect adjacent vehicles. They could even implement a safe distance protocol similar to one used during cov19, but in this case BEVs🤔. When it comes to safety, there can be no compromises. It is a known fact most BEV makers hardly provide good enough shield for the battery box, to protect from road debris and still get away with it. Why are we complacent in allowing BEVs to go through the same crash tests as an ICE vehicle, knowing very well, the battery is a ticking fire hazard?. Also since BEVs have modes of failure due to malfunction of battery/safety ckts., they should have an eventlogger that is fireproof, to ensure safety critical data is preserved, even if entire vehicle is gutted by fire. Apart from that, the data should be investigated by nuetral parties, with little manufacturer intervention. Glad you could bring some awareness for EV fire safety.❤👍
Yes, all indoor charging stations should have flame/smoke detection systems. And I absolutely agree flame blanket should be deployable at each indoor charging station in multi-unit buildings.
@@4runningaway417 ain't happening except through wishful thinking. Governments around the world are legislating Internal Combustion Engines out of existance (atleast for private vehicles). Could be the best extinction to come out of Global Warming.
The car manufacturer concerned should be held fully liable for every cost of every incident; it is totally unfair that the insurers pay and then charge the rest of us in increased premiums to cover car makers negligence. I think the issues would be resolved overnight.
Charging electric vehicles is something to do outside. And as for parking, I would prefer so see them outside as well until we get to the point where EV's have built-in countermeasures or just don't do this kind of thing anymore with new chemistries such as LiFePO4 or Na-Ion that are far less likely to self-combust.
@@weldonyoung1013 Is that a problem? For now all EV charging should be outside and if parking space becomes an issue, maybe have a separate entrance from there with a thermal imaging camera to see if the battery is showing issues. As the number of EV's grows a valet service could manage moving the vehicles for the customer after charging (and cooling down) and maybe put them in an isolation area if there are any doubts about safety (visible damage, heat, warning lights, model recall). It's really not that hard. Fire departments worldwide could lobby for outside EV charging and parking with a campaign. @StacheDTraining: Maybe someone with some youtube experience could help put it out there?
@@SolAce-nw2hf putting all charging stations and EV parking outside is just not feasible. The vast majority of developed countries are going to make EVs mandatory. In dense city there is virtually no space for outdoor parking with some cities mandating building go right up to the sidewalk in downtown cores. Yes EVs do need better monitoring indoors and passive hazard countermeasures.
@@weldonyoung1013 Charge outside in dedicated charging zone, check for thermal runaway (could be an automated system at EV entrance), park inside in dedicated EV zone with extra countermeasures and emergency exits and firefighting access as needed. With superchargers you don't need hours, so parking is a separate issue. And some valet charging/parking is a nice time saver when EV's become the dominant vehicles in cities. Who wants to wait in line for charging anyway?
@@SolAce-nw2hf yes - checking for battery thermal 'runaway' should be an automated system both internal to the vehivle and external. Indoor valet parking may not work: inexpensive apartment charging is likely to be done with slow charging at tge resident's normal parking spot when building get built or upgraded to handle charging; expensive office underground parking generally just cost too much & is of too small of a capacity to accommodate vehicle movement after parking.
The claim that the battery involved in the incident was from China's Parasis company is unverified. Additionally, there was a separate incident earlier this year involving CATL batteries, where around 100 units reportedly exploded due to thermal runaway in China. Videos of these explosions show similarities to the recent battery explosion. Mercedes-Benz also seems to be covering up the issue, and there are many aspects of this case that are quite suspicious.
Thank you so much for your concise thoughtful video! I didn’t even read that the fire suppression system failed. That’s a no brainer, at a minimum, to check yearly. That’s is extremely shameful on the building owner. Any kind of fire would have put everyone in danger. And good job to the Korean fire fighters! I also remember from your other video about the fire blanket. I think those can be super handy to cover the fire and tow it out or tow the car in to a box. But in this scenario with cars igniting each other because of no sprinklers, not sure anything would have helped.
I love your down to earth comments towards EV. No judging like "Meeh, EV bad", just clear advice, because we need to pragmatically do it right, not have a political discussion. Thanks!
We had a vw id3 catch fire from the battery and it burned to crisp, fortunately the woman who was inside managed to notice the smoke from the air vents and left the car, in minutes it was hell.
There seems little debate around greater safety with changing battery technologies. This fire was an NMC battery, as they generally seem to be. The emerging LFP and solid state should be significantly safer in underground garages ?
A recent video shows a brand new EV Volvo combust in the same way. Unfortunately an older couple were in the vehicle with their grandchild in the back. The car had some sort of electronic door locks which activated and stopped the people getting out quickly. The grandpa was seriously burned saving his grand daughter. Hopefully, soon governments will have the will to stop people buying these death traps at least until the battery technology and manufacturing becomes safe.
many cars these days have a electronic motor instead of a wire opening the doors, so if the electrical system is out you do not get out (if you do not remove parts of the door and pulls strings.. which is maybe not the first thing you think of as a grandma with a car on violent fire)
They only need to make batteries that will carry energy not more than in mobile phone. Could be easy to catapult from car with parachute to prevent hitting somebody around . . Regarding opening the door may be accepted to put to mobile phone special emergency application which would activate additional separate emergency opening the door? (kidding)
@@AndrewTSq There is always a wire and lever which physically unlocks the door accessible from the seating position, even if you have electric door latches. You don't need to disassemble the door.
@@dwindeyer You mean always a wire between the doorhandle and the doorlock? The problem is if you drive your Audi A6 and try to open the door, it will show on the dash something like "at speed, only manual door release is availble, please check manual for more information", so something disables your door handle then atleast.. edit: and tesla : "Manual door releases are designed to be used only in situations when Model 3 has no power. When Model 3 has power, use the button located at the top of the interior door handle" so if it has no power, why do not the wire work?
@@dwindeyer can add another thing, my audi har electric parking brake.. but its a wire that goes to a motor lol. (engineering at its best.. or not).. so in case the motor does not work, I have to remove panels around the ebrake button, to get to the wire and manual disengage or engage it. So even if it has a wire, it might not be connected as we are used to in old cars.
EQE model has only 134mm ground clearance. It's possible that the driver overestimate the ground clearance, probably it ran over something hard that bumped and damaged the battery
I wish all of the EV evangelists and politicians would be subscribed to this channel. We are heading into a dangerous situation where technologically illiterate people are making dangerous decisions for all of us. It genuinely scares me to park in underground parking while seeing EVs and charging spaces. It's not even about the damage to my property, but usually I have the children with me. The thought of only having seconds to reach for the exit while keeping situational awareness, with the kids, is nightmare fuel...
As an electrical engineer I ask the question, why could the car not alert the fire brigade, using Internet connection, to the fact that the battery in the car had exceeded a safe temperature. In that case the fire brigade could be on the scene even before the car was on fire. I figure it's only a question of time before that becomes mandatory.
Manganese in that type replaces Lithium which may be due to availability of Lithium This could be the gain but are there any more dangers from this type?
@@gmokhin Do producers may lower battery energy without any concequences for usege? Because if we accept that battery energy will be 1/10 than blaze could realy be 1/10.
What you say it is just common sens for me, so the codes have to be updated regarding the EV parking and then make possible for these vehicules to be charged and park outside.
My 2012 Hyundai Elantra recently had a recall where we were advised to leave it parked outside due to fire risk. The ABS module had an issue where where brake fluid could leak onto the board, causing a fire. The fix was to install a fuse.
I also have an EQE vehicle, and since I have to keep it in the garage, seeing incidents like this makes me feel scared. I try to never charge it over 70%, but I don't think that alone is enough to avoid danger. Mercedes-Benz Korea has announced that it will compensate residents with 3 million USD, but it seems they are currently facing backlash from the residents
You suggest putting the EV charging stations near the entru or exit, which might be OK if there IS SOME OTHER WAY OUT so people are not trapped in the garage!
Say the apartment building has ten floors and each floor has four units. Average apartment value in Seoul is $1M. So $40M value. All of those owners will face massive repair costs and devaluation. The car insurance company will say that: 1. It is a manufacturer fault. Daimler will not admit this and it’s almost impossible to determine what started a fire in a car. 2. The insurance company will say the sprinkler system didn’t function properly and would have mitigated the damage. Of course, there’s no way to disprove this. End result is all of the owners are financially ruined and living in tents set up on concrete no doubt.
End of Mersedes. They used the cheapest Chinese battery in the investigation. And Mercedes said, what battery used in the car is not something the customer needs to know but consider it is Mersedes product. So it is Mercedes battery.
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Don't forget that the smoke itself is hazardous.
@@jamesmoore9511 What what whattttt?
GREEN SMOKE 😂😂😂
We have around 20 charging stations in our underground parking at work, I'll be showing my bosses your video first thing tomorrow.
Thankyou for your uploads.
You did hear the part where it wasn’t actively charging not connected to a charger at the time? Or that the buildings sprinkler system was kaput?
@ChuckvdL yes, what's your point?
@@ChuckvdL which makes it worse. And sprinkler system wouldn't do anything to a burning ev.
@@ChuckvdL having 20 chargers inside is not going to convince any EV owners to park outside, is it? And by putting these cars door to door, the domino effect of one battery in thermal runaway will just tear through that place at an unimaginable rate. Even a working sprinkler system will be quite useless in such a situation.
Let's take these cars outside where there is sufficient space to fight the fire and less chance of destroying the building. EV's burn at temperatures that will melt the concrete above and below it.
@@Dr.Jellyfingers all cars react poorly in unsuppressed fires and internal combustion cars catch on fire at a rate 4 times that of EV’s. Thus if you have fire concerns regarding garages at work, maybe focus on actual risk statistics and making sure the fire suppression works, and not demonizing EV’s out of fear
If you have $100,000 property damage insurance liability coverage, you now have a big problem besides no car.
Either ban EV’s from indoor parking or mandate $5Million+ liability insurance for them.
100,000$? That's a ridiculously low insurance cover. Just consider crashing into a Lamborgini ... is an Insurance cover that low legal in the US?
When I had my first motorcycle in 1982, the liability insurance would have covered up to 500,000 DEM (German Marks). That time it was the equivalent of $300,000. Not much later lowest insurance covers in Germany were limited to 1 million DEM. Nowadays they are basically unlimited in most of Europe, except for damage to persons which is limited to 7.5 million € - per person.
We had a case in Germany where a DUI driver crashed into a tanker truck that was filled with gasoline, forcing it down from an autobahn bridge. It exploded, and the fire damaged the bridge. First estimates were 250 Million € for replacement of the entire bridge (Wiehltal bridge, Autobahn A4). It was possible to repair - total cost 30 mill. €, covered by insurance. Even if it had been 250 million, the insurance had been liable to cover it. Insurance companies form an insurance pool for these incidents.
@@vuuuuuulllllllllllllIUuuuuuuuu Point well taken - I avoid Chinese products whenever I can.
I don't own an EV but another down side from what I read is that insurance cos. will total an EV that has only slight damage to the underside where the battery is located because of potential future problems with the battery. That would bother me - a small "fender bender" and you need to replace the whole car. That sounds crazy to me and too risky for my financial situation.
Most coverages exceed $1M.
A single battery failure to destroying 100+ vehicles? That is not a sustainable type of event.
A non functional fire sprinkler system. This is not sustainable.
I head one of the administrative staffs turned off the switch since it had rung wrong alarm so frequently from smoking cigarette
@@vuuuuuulllllllllllllIUuuuuuuuuYhea, EVs with korean batteries, like the Chevy Bolt - have never burned out...😅 Them korean batteries even burn in smartphones, dude.
@@vuuuuuulllllllllllllIUuuuuuuuu You are like a gramophone.
And 300 cars from diesel car fire is sustainable? Like car park fire at Stavanger? Where burning fuel spilled to multiple floors?
Fires will happen! Question is, what can we do, to minimize damage.
Year ago I was purchasing a slot in a multi-garage parking house. Seeing that EVs were prohibited by the contract surprised me back then. Since then I learned a bit. 😁
Wow, a sensible video without hyperbole or political bias, I'm amazed. Well done sir.
I live in South Korea, and this fire burned all the electrical wirings on the ceiling and heavily damaged water/sewer pipes. The thick black smoke contaminated all the upper floors. The total damage is over 7 milion dollars and hundreds of residents have to move out for weeks because until the repair is done, no water, no electricity.
No one was able to stop the fire in the first tens of minutes, common fire extinguishers were no use, and maybe working sprinkler system could have stop extensive damages being done.
No it wouldn’t.
Water and lithium ion do not go well together, look it up.
They actually can submerge these in water and still burn, even weeks after intial fire
@@sandyfoot You obviously have no clue
@@sandyfoot the sprinkler system would have prevented going car to car and it might have been able to limit the damage except in the direct neighborhood of EV's that got caught in this mess.
It will not stop the original EV from burning.
But one thing is really sure: the sprinkler system would not have prevented any damage. But it could have limited it. As long as batteries themselves are not on fire then it can help.
REALITY of the situation - Even after repairs are done, all costs for the owner(s) will go up, making the building unaffordable - unfortunately.
In China they say "never park next to an EV" or live above one...
Also here...
They say that everywhere don't they? We even say don't have one, but few listen anyway.
@@JunkyardDog-q1h😂
That confucious guy was really ahead of his time with sayings like that😮
Just imagine having 500,000,000 evs on the roads worldwide in the next 25 years from now 10% caught itself on 🔥
I’m not sure a sprinkler system would have been able to stop this from spreading.
After that RORO burned in the north sea I saw videos demonstrating how effective a soaker system actually is.
It is very effective at preventing spread. The main difficulty is that you need to keep the water on for hours.
So you better hope that your drainage is working properly.
@@jamesphillips2285not the EVS lithium battery it produces its own oxygen when it's on fire they can burn underwater and still not be put out.
@@MrWiseinheart The video I am talking about was specifically testing EV fires.
ICE vehicles had higher peak energy release under a drencher system.
But the EV has the problem of relighting when the drencher system was turned off.
it wouldnt
And these vehicles are supposed to save the planet....I don't think so !!!
Personal EVs have always been harm reduction.
You don't get orders of magnitude energy reduction until you abolish R1 zoning (which bans multifamily housing and commercial in cities) and get people on mass transit.
Trains can be electrified using an overhead line, instead of a massive battery.
They save those who push them for not being excluded from "dolce vita"
luckily the planet does not need saving
@@kommentato1328go for a drive. Any bugs on the front of your car? The living world is collapsing around us.
And the shoulder pokers were supposed to keep you safe and healthy....
Insurance companies won’t insure your home because of the possibility of a hurricane or forest fire but they’ll insure a vehicle type known to catch fire and/or explode. I guess they want the future to be more dangerous and expensive.
They're starting to catch on. Some home insurance policies now have the condition of not parking a EV in the garage.
It looks like as the number of EV increase this will become a HUGE problem. Especially in parking garages.
Add the danger of older, poorly maintained vehicles and possibly with no insurance cover.
EV - Extremely Volatile
Don't forget about the additional weight of EVs as well. These garages were not engineered for this.
@@vuuuuuulllllllllllllIUuuuuuuuu OK but batteries are an integral parts of EV's . Thus EV's are extremely dangerous in their current state.
No, not necessarily. You may see EVs as all the same but there have been an evolution of battery design and battery chemistry. The batteries are becoming longer lived and less flammable. Solid-state is supposed to solve the fire problem completely. No flammable electrolyte. One problem is the average consumer treats the battery like a gas tank and tries to keep it full all the time. If more people stored their cars with 50%-60% the fire risk which is already low would likely be a non-issue. And to DCFC from 50%-80% is about 20 minutes in most EVs if they decided they wanted to travel. And the battery ages much slower at 60%-50%. In most EVs that is still ~150 mile of range.
So good for the environment all that toxic smoke . EV fanboys will still have defensive excuses
If EVs were any other household appliance, the EU would have banned them by now. Where are all the nanny state health and safety bureaucrats when you need them?
Don’t forget the greenies 😂
It's all about electrification at ANY cost. All this smart crp is such a good means of controlling you. They will be your prisons eventually. Physically and psychologically like those horrible phones.
A cynical form of population control perhaps?
We negligently elect numbskulls who employ their mate numbskulls to run important institutions and regulatory bodies.
Umm, if EU were going to ban EVs as being high fire risk, then they would have banned petrol cars decade's ago.
YES, the type of fire risk from an EV is different, but overall, it's NOT worse.
FACTS: Petrol cars are many, many times more likely to catch fire than an EV. Different fire departments, insurance companies, and national safety organisations state between 20 to 50 times more likely.
VIDEO you just watched stated the biggest factor in this incident was the lack of a working fire sprinkler system.
If LPG vehicles can't park underground,
why EVs can?
EV’s have tens of thousands of electrical/mechanical failure points just within the battery pack. Add erroneous software management with environmental conditions…well…just doesn’t make any sense does it.
Because LPG pools at the lowest point in the garage.
@@RobertETH I am terrified that already high 400V in car installation is going to be replaced by 800V. It is dictated by machanical properties of charging installation. But most people even educated but not experienced have no much knowledge that risks are not growing porportionaly to voltage. I would think about it as rather parabolic due to decrease of dusty/dirty surface insulation and grow of heat power to square of voltage .
@@Mikexception think at poor quality semiconductors made in china , poor insulation with plastic made from plants or recycled.
@@orionbetelgeuse1937 I would use porcelain insulation and every year washing and dusting all installation. We do it by safety regulations in every ship installation every 5 years but there is only 3x 440VAC Lucky that I don't need to produce EVs.
EV charging should not be done in parking garages below residential units.
Except this car wasn't even charging. It was just sitting idle for 3 days.
StacheD made that point twice. He could not have made the entire presentation clearer!
2:53 - notice the same dark smoke coming from the scooter (rather than white smoke of the cell phone) as that poor guy in the elevator, just before the battery goes SUPER NOVA. ironically looks like NASA test firing a Rocket Motor.
“Mommy”, what happened to daddy?”
“Baby Child, daddy bought a toaster on wheels. He’s burnt toast now.”
People lining up to watch Peter Cook and Steven Fry.
I hope somebody is doing some tests to determine if an ordinary hazard suppression system will be much help in EV fires because I have serious doubts.
EVs are ticking time bombs.
You don't even have to own one to be seriously affected by their shenanigans.
We shouldn't have to put up with this level of spontaneous danger.
The CO2-rich atmosphere is a ticking time-bomb.
Pick your poison.
@@jamesphillips2285
Nonsense. Stop pedaling lies.
@@jamesphillips2285 The concentration of carbon dioxide is 0.04% of our atmosphere.
You have been propagandized by the climate hoaxers.
@@jamesphillips2285What was the carbon content of the atmosphere when we had megafauna? Or do you really not want to answer that
@@Theweouthereforrealclub- "In recent geologic times, low CO2 concentrations below 600 parts per million might have been the stimulus that favored the evolution of C4 plants which increased greatly in abundance between 7 and 5 million years ago over plants that use the less efficient C3 metabolic pathway.[109]"
- "Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere" wiki page
Atmospheric pressure was also higher when we had megafauna.
There's no way the environment benefits from the BIG EV push.
More lucrative than getting people on trains, apparently.
EVs, saving the planet one toxic deflagration at a time!
For every EV fire, dozens of petrol fires were avoided.
FACTS: Petrol cars are many, many times more likely to catch fire than an EV. Different fire departments, insurance companies, and national safety organisations state between 20 to 50 times more likely.
VIDEO you just watched stated the biggest factor in this incident was the lack of a working fire sprinkler system.
@@johnpublicprofile6261 that's like comparing a small fire at a fossil fuel power plant to 3 mile island.
@@johnpublicprofile6261 Perhaps that has to do with the fact that there are 50 petrol cars for every EV. Also, when a petrol car catches fire it is easily extinguished this Mercedes battery garbage destroyed every car in the garage and injured many people in the building above, a specialty of the environmentally friendly EVs!
@@thomasfarley5070 To your first point: No, the numbers given are per 100.000 vehicles of that type. To your second point: True.
The notion that each EV prevents 50 ICE fires is a nonsensical notion! Most ICE fires occur in older cars that suffer electrical faults, it is a much rarer event to have a fuel system fire! EVs are every bit as susceptible to electrical fires outside of the battery as ICE cars, also please note the EV fleet is very new whereas the ICE fleet has cars over 100 years old!
How is this safe for the environment again? Just told my wife as we were looking at downtown condos, if they allow EVs to park in their underground parking there is NO WAY we will buy a condo in a building that allows that. Outside of the actual damage that will happen as these batteries degrade, I know I would never get a good night's sleep because I would be thinking about one of my neighbor's cars going into thermo runaway. Again, that is a BIG NO!
I guess one of the reasons the heads of state aren't driven in EV's is because you've effectively put the bomb in the car already. Yes, Diesel and Petrol vehicles catch fire, but generally not as a stationary parked vehicle. Yes, Diesel and Petrol fires can kill, but generally you have more indication that something is wrong and therefore more time to escape. I do not hate EV's but I do hate when people try to force a solution on others where the solution barely fixes one problem whilst introducing a whole new problem and risk. The petrol in my car is not sitting there with thousands of droplets thinking "I might be having a moment" but an EV battery is sitting there with thousands or cells/batteries with each one thinking "I want to show my full potential" and "I don't think they manufactured me properly.....do you think they manufactured me properly....hey.....I'm talking to you.....yeah.....don't make me mad.....don't make me...."
You have absolute shitload of indications, that something is wrong with battery. That is reason why they are so few.
@@MrVolodus Really. So the Chinese gentleman who was incinerated by an eBike battery in an apartment block lift......have you seen that video? Or the "Tesla set itself on fire and exploded in Shanghai China！" have you seen that video? These incident have literally no warning of a problem and go from zero to raging inferno in 1 or 2 seconds.
zero building access.
Thank you.
Just discovered your channel- congrats on your clear and level headed explaination.
One extra thing- let people know that the off-gassing from LION batteries are extremely toxic to humans- suggest people to run upwind asap.
Youve earned a subscription ! ;)
How many of the other parked vehicles had lithium ion batteries?
It's hard to know for certain at this point.
Yes.
Heavy damage to the environment there
Can we please just get lithium banned in anything bigger than a phone.
Not lithium, it's not a real problem - the cobalt oxide is it can turn the battery into an incendiary device.
LFP batteries are probably *much* safer - either either heavier or provide less capacity.
@@ElwoodEBlues I would still prefer if sodium became the battery for EVs. Evs will die out in a few years so I don't think it will come to fruitation.
@@jmsether China is actually introducing cars with sodium batteries. China is also the biggest automarket in the world, and car manufacturers who want to sell there have to fulfill a quota of EVs sold which is rising every year. Starting in 2035, new cars with combustion engines may only be sold in the EU if they can run on fuels which can be produced CO2- neutrally. The EV is not going to go away - the ICE car is.
@@ElwoodEBlues I bought an ioniq 5 and I am about to trade it at a major loss. I could not find any chargers around in a 50 mile range because every single one was ripped out of the ground. The only insurance I can find is charging me almost 600 a month. My house insurance just went through the roof. Plus I can't park in parking garages because they all banned EVs from parking here. I have been told multiple times to stop charging my EV at home. And the final reason is the HOA said I can't own an EV for it being too big of a fire risk. Ya, EVs have a very bright future. I'm never buying one again. I wanted one because they were amazing on paper. In reality they fell amazingly short in every department.
@@ElwoodEBluesany ICE car with current engines can run with synthetic fuel with only minimal mods or none at all. They’re already using these fuels in racing categories. BEVs are the most idiotic chapter in human transportation ever. A brand new BEV has had 70% more carbon footprint than an equivalent ICE car. Are you aware of this?
If I was a building owner I wouldn’t allow electric vehicles. I also wouldn’t allow my sprinkler system to be out of service.
It person build house on his own with own saved money it is no way that would take any such risk to have it complete devastated in 3 hours. That is the difference.
Attn :
Insurance Dude's...
Crank it up..Louie...
We live in a residential complex near Berne, Switzerland and in our underground parking garage have two EVs (both Volvos) parked, with their own chargers - quite far back. We have no sprinklers etc installed and when they first arrived arrived we asked the building administration about safety. They said there were no concerns because even the Swiss fire service has no bad experience of EVs. Yeah, right! Until something happens, that is. Our parking space is close to one so I know for sure, if it lights up our car is gone. And the insurance will never pay enough to buy a replacement. Also our motorcycles will go up too. It frustrates me but there's nothing we can do.
Look up Toronto subway e-scooter fire. It took out a whole rail car and the fire chief gave bs statement about safely charging e-scooters. Noboby ask basic question how do you charge it while commuting in subway, but our media is 99% government subsidized.
Greetings from Australia. A very well thought out instructional video. Thank you! If only the worlds politicians could apply common sense like you do....
WOW ! That car was not charging, And was parked for 3-days ?
Holy moly !
We'll never find out what cause the battery to off-gas.
The intense fire will have destroyed all the battery's physical structure.
By the way, is that security footage 1-to-1 time or speed-up?
Love these videos!
A question: Is EV more hazards then fuel car at fire? And is fuel car more at risk to start burn. Here in Sweden we see that EV-people talk them warn to safety of EV and fuel car burn more often. Great channel and contents.
Very informative! Thanks
You're welcome!
I am glad I have a detached garage these days.
I’m glad I have ICE vehicles.
The smoke can still k ill, and it arrives fast.
Exactly, need to keep the smoke away from where I sleep.
As if underground parking wasn't bad enough, what about tunnels? Imagine the carnage if one of these things decided to throw its toys out the pram during a rush hour.
A fire hazard should NOT be located where it hampers egress for other people and their vehicles. Not at the exits. Nowhere near the exits!
I suggest that they should instead be in an enclosed space that can be completely shut off from other vehicles, from waterways, and from the atmosphere.
When you can't stop a fire you must CONTAIN it!
It is reported that immediately before or after the fire started, someone in the office turned the sprinkler system to off. The sprinklers were working. This is another point of investigation.
In Melbourne Australia, Mercedes has stockpiled over 600 EQE’s near the airport. That’s only in 1 city! How many more have they made and can’t sell.
See, the issue with EV's is much worse than ICE's. Someone builds an ICE poorly, it just runs like crap or doesn't run at all. At worst it'll leak some fuel, but can still be easily put out and contained. EV's on the otherhand basically are IED's if the manufacturer takes any shortcuts or (as most people do) people don't maintenance their vehicle correctly.
Over the years I've seen a number of cars burn. And without exception they've been old crappy looking cars. Cars that were poorly maintained that nobody could afford to care for anymore. cars that were near the end of their lives.
But any electric car that burns is invariably a new expensive well-washed model.
What's it going to be like a few years from now when they're older and more worn? I can't imagine that these things will catch on fire less as they reach the end of their lives
Well it all comes apart when the ratio of EVs to ice vehicles isn’t 1in 20 or so
Other than banning all EVs from enclosed areas, including garages attached to homes, I cannot see how any regulations can reduce the risks from these large chemical batteries.
One of Sprinkler valve was reported defected a month prior but it is unknown for other sprinkler valves
That means someone deactivated the system.
(They didn't use common wet sprinkler system, they used dry sprinkler system)
Just a thought: Imagine a passerby, just casually walking nearby, upon seeing the smoke, decides to get close to that thing just out of curiosity. Death by inhalation or burns. It is all a matter of rolling the dice and timing. Example? The incident of a man walking into an elevator with a battery pack, as soon as the doors of the elevator closed, his fate was sealed.
Why should we learn to deal with this. These batteries are dangerous and their use should be discontinued until something better is found. At the very least they should be banned from all parking structures and there should be no charging indoors. We do have a perfectly good means of powering our vehicles that doesn’t spontaneously catch fire and there’s no reason to stop using it until the electric replacement is safe and practical. No reason other than politicians trying to force us to use them. Let those that want electric have them and deal with the inconvenience and dangers involved the rest can keep using what works and is practical.
I have a neighbor 7 houses away that parks their EV in their garage. I’m glad it’s 7 houses away.
Agree, very wierd. Its like having handgranades at home, but we have to learn to live with it. Instead of removing them.
@@JAMESWUERTELESome people just don't listen to good sound advice 😮😮😮😮
There was another Mercedes EQE that caught fire in Florida about a year ago. That car was also not charging, just parked for about 22 hours. I think that Mercedes also used Chinese battery.
Most batteries come from there.
@@yootoobvyooer The problem is not the origin of the battery. The Electric Viking did a YT video on this one (he's a bit of an EVangelist, so take everything with a bag of salt).
Mercedes only uses NMC (aka NCM or turnary) batteries and those are much more likely to self-destruct than LFP (LiFePO4) batteries. Also there have been recalls of this model after the Chinese government got too many fire reports on Mercedes EV's. But Mercedes is not the only brand having issues with NMC. The Porsche Taycan is now involved in a lawsuit for sinking the car carrier Felicity Ace, and it has had a recall. It has also been spotted as a burnt vehicle on the Fremantle Highway, although that situation has been carefully managed by the PR department. It may have started the fire, but the crew that reported an EV starting the fire to the coast guard immediately after rescue has kept quiet ever since.
And for all the EVangelists out there: Yes, these fires don't happen a lot, but when they do, it is a nightmare to put out. And we are not talking about 20 year old models here. These are all shiny new cars in the hands of people who have plenty to spend on proper maintenance.
@@SolAce-nw2hf Time when all today new cars will be 20 years old will be exactly 20 years later. Rare today accidents will be multiplied accordingly to incerese of number of EV cars. Now it is in USA only 1%
@@Mikexception It is hard to predict as there are no decent statistics even separating EV from ICE causing the fire. My bet is that all EV makers will switch to LFP or another chemistry at some point. Just about every EV / PHEV fire I have read about was an NMC battery. Okay, maybe there are far less LFP EV's out there, but even the big battery makers promote this chemistry showing how much safer they are then their own NMC product with nail penetration tests.
Also the entire solar market is now abandoning NMC and selling LFP because of it's safety advantage, even now NMC overproduction is dumped at record low prices with decreased demand and factories not being able to switch to LFP.
For colder climates I see Sodium-Ion as a nice alternative, maybe complementing LFP for the cold start of an EV. These batteries deliver 90% of their rated output at -20 Celcius.
So 20 years from now, maybe EV battery fires will be a thing of the past.
@@SolAce-nw2hf Off-grid in the Outback with a bank of Lead Acid wet Cells going 15 years, hitting Float in Winter.
You guys!
Peace.
An EV catching fire during charging, or while stationary is unacceptable. If the issue is due to manufacturing defect, or insufficient safety system, then the manufacturers should be held liable, to recall/ground the specific model, if they could not provide sufficient evidence of safety within 30 days. May be all EV charging places should have a flame detector alarm and available fire retardant blankets(like portable defibrillators), to protect adjacent vehicles. They could even implement a safe distance protocol similar to one used during cov19, but in this case BEVs🤔. When it comes to safety, there can be no compromises. It is a known fact most BEV makers hardly provide good enough shield for the battery box, to protect from road debris and still get away with it. Why are we complacent in allowing BEVs to go through the same crash tests as an ICE vehicle, knowing very well, the battery is a ticking fire hazard?. Also since BEVs have modes of failure due to malfunction of battery/safety ckts., they should have an eventlogger that is fireproof, to ensure safety critical data is preserved, even if entire vehicle is gutted by fire. Apart from that, the data should be investigated by nuetral parties, with little manufacturer intervention. Glad you could bring some awareness for EV fire safety.❤👍
Yes, all indoor charging stations should have flame/smoke detection systems. And I absolutely agree flame blanket should be deployable at each indoor charging station in multi-unit buildings.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to just stop making them?
@@4runningaway417 ain't happening except through wishful thinking.
Governments around the world are legislating Internal Combustion Engines out of existance (atleast for private vehicles). Could be the best extinction to come out of Global Warming.
The car manufacturer concerned should be held fully liable for every cost of every incident; it is totally unfair that the insurers pay and then charge the rest of us in increased premiums to cover car makers negligence. I think the issues would be resolved overnight.
@@kevinmoffatt did you just get to earth? If so welcome
Charging electric vehicles is something to do outside. And as for parking, I would prefer so see them outside as well until we get to the point where EV's have built-in countermeasures or just don't do this kind of thing anymore with new chemistries such as LiFePO4 or Na-Ion that are far less likely to self-combust.
OH, come-on! There is no way your average motor vehicle drirer is going to know their battery technology.
@@weldonyoung1013 Is that a problem? For now all EV charging should be outside and if parking space becomes an issue, maybe have a separate entrance from there with a thermal imaging camera to see if the battery is showing issues.
As the number of EV's grows a valet service could manage moving the vehicles for the customer after charging (and cooling down) and maybe put them in an isolation area if there are any doubts about safety (visible damage, heat, warning lights, model recall).
It's really not that hard.
Fire departments worldwide could lobby for outside EV charging and parking with a campaign. @StacheDTraining: Maybe someone with some youtube experience could help put it out there?
@@SolAce-nw2hf putting all charging stations and EV parking outside is just not feasible. The vast majority of developed countries are going to make EVs mandatory. In dense city there is virtually no space for outdoor parking with some cities mandating building go right up to the sidewalk in downtown cores.
Yes EVs do need better monitoring indoors and passive hazard countermeasures.
@@weldonyoung1013 Charge outside in dedicated charging zone, check for thermal runaway (could be an automated system at EV entrance), park inside in dedicated EV zone with extra countermeasures and emergency exits and firefighting access as needed.
With superchargers you don't need hours, so parking is a separate issue. And some valet charging/parking is a nice time saver when EV's become the dominant vehicles in cities. Who wants to wait in line for charging anyway?
@@SolAce-nw2hf yes - checking for battery thermal 'runaway' should be an automated system both internal to the vehivle and external.
Indoor valet parking may not work: inexpensive apartment charging is likely to be done with slow charging at tge resident's normal parking spot when building get built or upgraded to handle charging; expensive office underground parking generally just cost too much & is of too small of a capacity to accommodate vehicle movement after parking.
Your video keeps jumping in and out - camera trouble? - automatically adjusting itself? - adjusting it's aperture \ depth of field?
Posted this on X as well, so news of this can spread.
Thanks!
Welcome!
The claim that the battery involved in the incident was from China's Parasis company is unverified. Additionally, there was a separate incident earlier this year involving CATL batteries, where around 100 units reportedly exploded due to thermal runaway in China. Videos of these explosions show similarities to the recent battery explosion. Mercedes-Benz also seems to be covering up the issue, and there are many aspects of this case that are quite suspicious.
How toxic is the smoke from these fires? Does it cause permanent damage to the lungs?
It absolutely can.
It’s toxic to the skin, not just breathing it. It’s deadly.
Don’t ever park EV inside, your house will burn and it can’t be put out.
Great Video!
Thank you so much for your concise thoughtful video! I didn’t even read that the fire suppression system failed. That’s a no brainer, at a minimum, to check yearly. That’s is extremely shameful on the building owner. Any kind of fire would have put everyone in danger. And good job to the Korean fire fighters!
I also remember from your other video about the fire blanket. I think those can be super handy to cover the fire and tow it out or tow the car in to a box. But in this scenario with cars igniting each other because of no sprinklers, not sure anything would have helped.
Great Tips !!!!~~~~~~~ Should it be mandatory where they put the charging system ????
I love your down to earth comments towards EV. No judging like "Meeh, EV bad", just clear advice, because we need to pragmatically do it right, not have a political discussion.
Thanks!
We had a vw id3 catch fire from the battery and it burned to crisp, fortunately the woman who was inside managed to notice the smoke from the air vents and left the car, in minutes it was hell.
We are walking blindly into this ev hell.
All EVs should not allowed in underground parking garages.
There goes the insurance coverage; now, I imagine, if one owns an EV, they may have to have at least $1 million in coverage.
When you need to put the batteries for your toy car in a flame proof bag to charge them you might want to rethink a battery powered full size car!
There seems little debate around greater safety with changing battery technologies. This fire was an NMC battery, as they generally seem to be. The emerging LFP and solid state should be significantly safer in underground garages ?
A recent video shows a brand new EV Volvo combust in the same way. Unfortunately an older couple were in the vehicle with their grandchild in the back. The car had some sort of electronic door locks which activated and stopped the people getting out quickly. The grandpa was seriously burned saving his grand daughter. Hopefully, soon governments will have the will to stop people buying these death traps at least until the battery technology and manufacturing becomes safe.
many cars these days have a electronic motor instead of a wire opening the doors, so if the electrical system is out you do not get out (if you do not remove parts of the door and pulls strings.. which is maybe not the first thing you think of as a grandma with a car on violent fire)
They only need to make batteries that will carry energy not more than in mobile phone. Could be easy to catapult from car with parachute to prevent hitting somebody around . . Regarding opening the door may be accepted to put to mobile phone special emergency application which would activate additional separate emergency opening the door? (kidding)
@@AndrewTSq There is always a wire and lever which physically unlocks the door accessible from the seating position, even if you have electric door latches. You don't need to disassemble the door.
@@dwindeyer You mean always a wire between the doorhandle and the doorlock? The problem is if you drive your Audi A6 and try to open the door, it will show on the dash something like "at speed, only manual door release is availble, please check manual for more information", so something disables your door handle then atleast.. edit: and tesla : "Manual door releases are designed to be used only in situations when Model 3 has no power. When Model 3 has power, use the button located at the top of the interior door handle" so if it has no power, why do not the wire work?
@@dwindeyer can add another thing, my audi har electric parking brake.. but its a wire that goes to a motor lol. (engineering at its best.. or not).. so in case the motor does not work, I have to remove panels around the ebrake button, to get to the wire and manual disengage or engage it. So even if it has a wire, it might not be connected as we are used to in old cars.
Imagine a caŕ park full of EV's ❤
EQE model has only 134mm ground clearance. It's possible that the driver overestimate the ground clearance, probably it ran over something hard that bumped and damaged the battery
Sounds like a good hypothesis considering the car was not being charged when it burned
There were some reports that the vehicle had been damaged. I wasn't able to get any details on what happened.
I wish all of the EV evangelists and politicians would be subscribed to this channel. We are heading into a dangerous situation where technologically illiterate people are making dangerous decisions for all of us.
It genuinely scares me to park in underground parking while seeing EVs and charging spaces. It's not even about the damage to my property, but usually I have the children with me. The thought of only having seconds to reach for the exit while keeping situational awareness, with the kids, is nightmare fuel...
As an electrical engineer I ask the question, why could the car not alert the fire brigade, using Internet connection, to the fact that the battery in the car had exceeded a safe temperature. In that case the fire brigade could be on the scene even before the car was on fire. I figure it's only a question of time before that becomes mandatory.
The car that sparked the fire was equipped with an NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt) battery
Manganese in that type replaces Lithium which may be due to availability of Lithium This could be the gain but are there any more dangers from this type?
@@Mikexception It depends. Different types have different flammability and toxicity, so the overall hazard has to be assessed in specific conditions.
@@gmokhin Do producers may lower battery energy without any concequences for usege? Because if we accept that battery energy will be 1/10 than blaze could realy be 1/10.
Imagine if 1 whole row is ev vehicle...
Is there any statistics for EV fire vs ICE or EV fire by brand?
Each cluster of batteries needs it's own fully enclosed compartment with blowouts on the bottom. Blowouts could also be maintenance doors.
Imagine an underground parking garage full of the newest burning EVs in the year 2035!
Now there are only a few, good for people and the environment!
What you say it is just common sens for me, so the codes have to be updated regarding the EV parking and then make possible for these vehicules to be charged and park outside.
MANDATORY FOR ALL POLITICIANS TO OWN ONE
The safest way is not to buy an EV not only catch on fire but the toxic fumes are deadly
ICE cars catch fire sometimes..........but not often whilst just sitting parked
My 2012 Hyundai Elantra recently had a recall where we were advised to leave it parked outside due to fire risk.
The ABS module had an issue where where brake fluid could leak onto the board, causing a fire.
The fix was to install a fuse.
How long are we going to accept these lithium tech batteries?
We hand an E-scooter ignite on the TTC subwat train in Toronto nobody hurt or killed but scary when you see this
Sounds Very Very similar to the cargoship that sank from a particular German vehicle.
I also have an EQE vehicle, and since I have to keep it in the garage, seeing incidents like this makes me feel scared. I try to never charge it over 70%, but I don't think that alone is enough to avoid danger. Mercedes-Benz Korea has announced that it will compensate residents with 3 million USD, but it seems they are currently facing backlash from the residents
What likely happened is that the battery got scratched from underneath by something.
The best way to defend against lithium battery's fires is to not buy an electric car.
I know I ll never buy one.
I live in an apartment and a neighbour has a BME I3 . Im already scared
I blame the unmaintained sprinkler system for the extent of the damage.
You suggest putting the EV charging stations near the entru or exit, which might be OK if there IS SOME OTHER WAY OUT so people are not trapped in the garage!
Say the apartment building has ten floors and each floor has four units. Average apartment value in Seoul is $1M. So $40M value. All of those owners will face massive repair costs and devaluation.
The car insurance company will say that:
1. It is a manufacturer fault. Daimler will not admit this and it’s almost impossible to determine what started a fire in a car.
2. The insurance company will say the sprinkler system didn’t function properly and would have mitigated the damage. Of course, there’s no way to disprove this.
End result is all of the owners are financially ruined and living in tents set up on concrete no doubt.
How about battery packs breaking open in an accident
End of Mersedes. They used the cheapest Chinese battery in the investigation. And Mercedes said, what battery used in the car is not something the customer needs to know but consider it is Mersedes product. So it is Mercedes battery.
Won’t ever see me in an EV, my 2010 Crown Victoria is forever King of the road.
You'd be crazy to leave an EV in an integral garage. OK, crazy to use one.
Can’t wait to own one…not.
Now... Imagine if all the people that live in apartments in city wants to have EV's... The CHAOS.
The firetrucks because of the height issue can even enter most of the parking garages.
How many other EV’s were parked in that structure.