I live in Korea ATM. This is a huge issue here, and many apartment complexes are taking quite drastic measures to try to eliminate as much EV fire risk as possible. Some even outright ban underground parking, while others just ask owners to charge only when absolutely necessary
@@franklofarojr.2969Gas cars produce only 10% of global CO2 emissions. Mining for lithium and other elements for EV batteries uses petroleum, and it devastates the area around the mine and spreads toxic dust. Disposal of EV batteries generates CO2 and toxic wastes.
@@StacheDTraining charging - Governo de SP pode inviabilizar carregadores de elétricos em garagens Em atitude sem precedentes no mundo, Corpo de Bombeiros de São Paulo quer até parede corta fogo entre os carros durante carregamento - SP government can make electric chargers unfeasible in garages In an unprecedented attitude in the world, the São Paulo Fire Department even wants a wall to cut fire between the cars during charging
in the last mercedez EV fire in Korea the news outlet emphasised the "chinese battery" , but in this incident they didnt even mention the "korean battery" 😂
Don’t worry. Most EV wanters including me don’t give a damn about the environment in the first place. I like how some anti EV individuals try to argue this point when it applies to a minority and the majority aren’t cross shopping vehicles for ThE SaKE oF LOweR g/CO2 a MiLe. When was the last time you thought to yourself, “oh, buying this shirt will cause a net output of this many grams of carbon”? No reasonable person does that. 🤣 Some reasons I want an EV. Notice how the environment isn’t listed. -Super cheap charging with home solar and energy independence -Super low maintenance -Battery will retain drive-able capacity well after 200k miles. -Accelerator pedal that is just as reactive as a brake pedal See? Everyone has preferences. Choosing the type of power train included. The nature of flight accidents is much worse; that does not mean you take a super rare instance and categorize flying as dangerous. I will still own a personal vehicle even if the chances of dying is much higher than zero.
@@battery_wattage nice dissertation. Carbon 'credits' (taxes), tax incentives, etc., have kept it afloat. But hey whatever floats your boat. Merely pointing out the many jedi mind tricks deployed to make it seem all rainbows and unicorns.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s maybe using the traditional land line will be better for the environment since there is no efficiency loss from charging a battery and no screen and not needing to do 20,000 MOps. 😆
It is only matter of time before the insurance companies will not allow these cars in underground garages or ferrys. I can't see airports allowing in their massive parking garages either.
@@larrydugan1441 Why are you guys acting like such dramaqueens - Jesus Christ it almost sound like when my wife has her girlfriends over and they start discussing all the things they are afraid of and worried about..Man the f... up!!
@@ronz7046 Not a bad idea, actually. It pays to be careful. There are cases of cell phones/tablets bursting into flames. They certainly have caused injuries and/or initiated bigger fires. Good thing those batteries are about 1000+ times smaller capacity than EV batteries.
The NTSB states that EV's have approx 25 fires per 100,000 sold, whole gas vehicles have approx 1,530 fires per 100,000 vehicles sold. So, yea with your logic gas vehicles should be pulled off the market, but I like my Jeep.
@@who2u333You did not get it, did you? It is about the severity and toxicity of the EVs' fire. That was his/her logic and he/she was completely reasonable!
Well my friend in my mind at least these vehicles are not safe under any circumstances and it borders on the criminal to let them be parked anywhere near or under buildings that are for human habitation. If it were me and my car or dwelling was compromised by one of these fires I would be extremely angry at it being allowed to park in such situations.
I'm quite sure that those bans (or new parking area designs) will eventually come and I've read articles that some places already may have done something. Safety rules are written in blood so it'll take some time to get sorted.
Govt needs to mandate safety standards on these vehicles, manufacturers are not doing their job. It should not be up to parking garages, it's on the maker.
The same governments who sold us the electric mandates will NEVER, EVER admit there is a problem amd their puppet media will firmly denounce anyone saying anything to the contrary.
The battery doesn't have to catch fire in order to offgas. Offgassing generally happens before the battery catches fire. LFP batteries can offgas without self igniting.
@@redrider7730Just like Mercedes Kia and Hyundai only use NMC batteries. These are quite instable when compared to LFP, which can be found in standard range Tesla, most new BYD EV's and a growing number of other brands. Check the online EV-database for Battery Chemistry of all current models. When it says "Unknown", assume it is NMC (often also called NCM).
Then no car should, as a person who had a car burn down on me during travel (and yes well maintained and not that old, and a "normal" diesel). They can just catch fire, like from a short circuit.
I wonder if a pre-piped flooding system would help in the future? A keyed cap in the trunk provides a path for apparatus to pump directly to the battery compartment and drain out a pressure relief valve that flows in a safe direction. It could be installed in all EVs and used to cool the battery in thermal emergencies, preventing the fire from even starting, or providing easy extinguishing access.
My daughters school have installed to 150kw EV chargers in the car park...I wonder why they didn't install a couple of unmanned petrol pumps and a huge storage tank....maybe something to do with safety?
It's absolutely unbelievable that they are still making these pieces of garbage. Just what is it going to take to put a stop to this insanity once and for all?????
If government around the World want people to own these vehicles , they should be responsible for the Damage that is incurred , the more there are on the road the more horrific these accidents will be , they aren't going to achieve net zero as they talk about with this technology!
The money that it costs is the greenest aspect, also you can paint it green, and then it will be very green, unlike the charcoal color, just as much probably as what feeds the power grid,the toxic black smoke, and the red fire
@@StacheDTraining Hopefully the building owners are smart enough to mount the cabinets 50 or so feet away from where the EVs park. It would defeat the whole purpose if you can't get to the blanket because it's blocked by the fire.
@@OveToranger The Ford Pinto was a 70s car, not an 80s one. It was produced between 1971 and 1980. However, implying that EV fires should be ignored because one single model of petrol car that went out of production 44 years ago also had a fire problem, is a very strange argument to make. We all want safer vehicles. Pretending that the EV fire problem doesn't exist, is both dangerous and irresponsible.
I need to ask a question... Early on when radio controlled models switched to lithium, the fires were bad. The manufacturers all decided to add something to the pouches that reducing the risk of flames. That was like 15 years ago... Why are full size cars different? To me it seems logical that this anti fkame additive would have been in the car packs from the beginning. Or is it a case of the hobby batteries do not have enough other pouches packed in tightly to raise temperatures far higher than the hobby packs?
From the video it states the batteries consisted of pouches, think flexible slim plastic bags. These are alway designed with anti-explosive design or fire prevention in mind.
Toyota has already been selling hybrid cars like the Prius for over a decade. They don't have any fires like these, as the batteries are built better but have less cells in the pack. These newer all electric cars have much tighter packaging, so all the cells have less space to breathe.
Full size cars aren't that different, but nobody cares about an RV going up in flames. But if one EV is burning, it's worldwide news. Cars are also switching to LFP batteries. I'm not an RC guy but I've heard that they became very popular in the RC space too.
Stash, Any idea on what products/method was used to remove the calmed down vehicle to the outside of the structure? Wheel Dollie’s? Tow Truck Wheel Lift and dollie? Thanks, Mark @ Toxic Suppression
*Imagine this happening on the Cross Channel Tunnel between UK & France - EV's should be banned from all tunnels and underground Car Parks, in my opinion it's a question of time before a huge disaster happens !*
This has already happened some years ago and there was massive damage caused to the tunnel. Maybe you would prefer not to know that it was a DIESEL truck. Google it !!
This is exactly why as the Fire Brigade in London state. Do not charge electric vehicles overnight or indoors. This advice is for good reason as clearly shown. Do not buy an EV.
It probably applied to cheap hoverboards and scooters....not.£40 000 EV's but as with all the anti-EV brigade, don't let the details get in the way of a good story.
The incident outline is that a Kia EV6 caught fire while charging in a parking lot, but did not explode, and the fire did not spread to adjacent cars and was extinguished by firefighters in about two hours.. The possibility of a fire in an electric vehicle equipped with a reliable company's battery is more than 10 times lower than that of ICE vehicles.. Even in the rare case of a fire, it is important to manage it safely with a sprinkler, pre-staged fire blanket, etc..
Traditional fire systems such as sprinklers and fire extinguishers which work by isolating the burning material from the air (and therefore from oxygen) are totally INEFFECTIVE against battery fires. The battery fire is not a standard combustion with oxygen in the air, but a chemical reaction in which both the fuel and the oxidizer are packed together so much so that even immersed in water it would continue to burn. Guess what other substances are made up of a mixture of fuel and oxidizer? If your answer is EXPLOSIVES...Yes you guessed it!
if the possibility is so low for EV's to catch fire... THEN WHY DO SO MANY OF THEM GO UP IN FLAMES your ignorance of thinking that they are "green" and better for the environment than a normal car is impressive. People seem to forget about basic Biology real cars right now put out CO2 which PLANTS NEED TO BREATH but since idiots on our planet keep slicing down forests left and right we have a build-up of CO2 so its simple QUIT CUTTING DOWN THE GD TREES and plant more of them and you could more than likely fix a good portion of the global warming problem.
Hyundai Ioniq and Kia EV6 have been frequently involved in accidents where the vehicle burns out and deaths occur due to battery thermal runaway after crashing into a low curb. A thorough investigation is needed to prevent further casualties.
Maybe I'm stating the obvious fact, but it is unfortunately the case that these batteries do have the ability to go into catastrophic thermal runaway for a number of reasons... it is certainly a RARE occurrence, but it does happen. That's a simple, undeniable fact. Unfortunately, if you start exponentially increasing the number of these batteries, you also increase the likelihood of these 'rare' occurrences... possibly to the point where they become common occurrences.
disagree LFP batteries are becoming more popular and overall failure rate of batteries is decreasing. We hear this argument since more than 10 years but there have been millions and millions of sold EVs since then but the EV sceptics still get their battery fire cases very rarely and literally have to look for them in the whole world.
@@Tschacki_Quacki EV fires aren't rare. I live just up the road from a vehicle impound yard, where stolen, burnt out, and accident damaged vehicles are recovered to. I've been here for over 15 years, and in all that time, the only burnt out cars I've witnessed being recovered there have all been EVs. The vast majority of them have been Teslas. In my 44 years on this earth, I've only ever seen 3 burnt out petrol cars (two arson, one unknown), and the last one happened over 25 years ago. However, I have lost count of the number of EVs that have caught fire in the last year alone.
@@Rafa-qv8sisorry to burst your bubble. An LFP cell may have a higher thermal runaway point then an NMC cell. Here we are talking charging battery packs. Of course there have been fires with LFP battery packs, as things can go wrong in many aspects of a battery pack and chargers
there needs to be some urgent development for things like a suspended fire blanket that automatically drops from above once smoke is detected and even has the ability to automatically call the hazmat team? should these charging spots have a steel plate that can be hooked to and tow the burning car out sitting on it already even? i feel there's many ideas that could easily help that wouldn't cost very much to make a big impact in an emergency.
Here's an easier one, you aren't allowed to park your "green" hazmat in the making indoors. Then people quit buying them and the problem is solved. They are cheaply made with too much tech yet overpriced and are a hazard that claims to solve problems. I'll keep driving my diesel 2004 Excursion which actually was well built and doesn't spontaneously start fires. Seats 8 people, has 4x4, tows 11,000 pounds like nothing. Goes over 350 miles on a tank of fuel and can be refueled in ten minutes. Also if I get in a wreck the survivability of myself and my passengers is pretty good unless I get hit by a Mack truck. Know any of these EV's that can do all of that?
@@wocket42 So basically, what you are saying is that it's okay for prodigious numbers of EVs to catch fire because the occasional petrol or diesel car catches fire also. That's a very strange argument to make. And before you respond with made up statistics, 65% of all vehicle fires are the result of arson, and most of the rest are caused by electrical failures. The petrol or diesel fuel system typically doesn't cause fires. Something else has to happen first.
@@matthewgodwin3050 the root cause doesn't really matter to the damage the fire causes, though. And blaming non-working sprinkler system etc on EVs is just dishonest. And yes, the number is prodigious. Prodigious low.
Look! The professional firefighters are using water to fight the fire! Keyboard professionals were saying in the first incident that not only was water ineffective. It was also _dangerous_ for bystanders due to potential 'electricity' shock. Lol. Electric shock from a chemical fire! 😂
I live in Portugal, and a few days ago, there was a fire on a parking garage near the airport in Lisbon, and more than 200 cars were destroyed. It started on a EV car.
Whoever thought that highly explosive lithium batteries would be a good idea to put in cars should get a round of applause. And people that believe this is a green option without investigating how the batteries are made should pat themselves on the back. Pure genius.
@@johngray3449 Sigh. Such a shame that this "new world" could be so much better and "Environmentalism" wasn't a byword for "absolute trash". Oh well, tomorrow is a new day and another opportunity to make the world a better place. I wish everyone a wonderful evening and a better tomorrow.
So what's going on ? Are these new vehicle in the 'series' with "untested battery complexes". Were the small defeat is just presenting itself. Somehow is the humidity in the underground garages "defeating" the electrical shorting defense. With the large, almost vast, number of circuits in these hundred of kilogram batteries what does the design failure rate need to be: 1 in 100,000 - 1 in 1,000,000,000. Or just where in between ?
Compare it with Mercedes-Benz's Chinese battery explosion video. It looks completely different. EV6 is well suppressed enough for people to enter and extinguish the fire. It would have taken at least 15 minutes for the firefighters to arrive at the scene. It's a good deterrent. And it is similar to the topic of internal combustion cars.
A building with underground or indoor parking should upgrade its fire safety and sprinkler systems to prevent EVs from catching fire. As the popularity of EVs continues to rise, it’s crucial for property owners to address the unique fire risks associated with lithium-ion batteries.
The EV industry should take responsibility for these safety concerns by collaborating with building owners and regulatory agencies to establish comprehensive guidelines and standards that prioritize fire safety in parking structures.
StacheD thank you for cover such topics. Ohh my, seriously everytime I see this (I see it very often thesedays) - I ask WHY?! Why people risk lives and enormous damage (their own and people's around) by buy electric vehicles (any type, not only cars)?! EVs are very dangerous and unpredictable - they can spontaneously self-ignite, explode, self-drive (when you don't want and don't expect it), self speed-up, lock doors by itself during being on fire without any way to open doors. Of course - it happens mainly in mainland China, but not only.
I've been driving for about 60 years and have only seen a couple of car fires, all with obvious reasons as to why they happened. There will never be an EV in our attached garage even if the day comes where I'm forced to own one.
@@Tschacki_Quacki Nope it looked like a gaseous vapor conflagration to me. A battery would be on my top 3 list after propane or butane. I do have a clue about how accelerants work.....
Whats the point spraying water on a box containing a fire ? How about a valve/socket pipe on the battery case where crews can connect a pipe to, and inject water, or CO2, or liquid nitrogen...
Mining trucks have them but aesthetics being what it is the car manufacturers think it will turn away potential buyers. No reason why it can't be hidden in the trunk or where the engine should be.
The big danger with this as you have pointed out is the gross ignorance of the people around this scene without BA. The reason for this ignorance is that the danger (at least in the UK,) is not being publicised. In a confined space the clear instruction should be NOT to try to extinguish (coz you cannot) and to get out of the building and call the fire service. Some guy was there with an extinguisher I noticed. This message is not being publicised and it’s going to lead to a very tragic event before too long.
The biggest take on this is the fire crews getting there before it was too late. I suppose that the guy walking through at the beginning made the call to get the FD there quickly. Time was definitely on their side.
Could there be the possibility that the manufacture is acting maliciously and make the parameters volatile so it overcharges the batteries to get them to go into thermal runaway since they can remote update the batteries charge module remotely.
I see clips like this all the time but there is no mention about the 1.8 million Toyota RAV4 that have just been recalled because of FIRE risks or the person that just purchased a RAV4 five days ago to just have it catch on FIRE or the 102,000 Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX to have them replaced. I think somebody is being paid to NOT publicise what is really is going on with Legacy Auto makers.
Why are NOT banned from underground garages? Why are charging stations underground? Don't we have enough experience with this situation? Hard enough on the surface.
does this just happen recently? It is summer now in Korea, but when the car is out of car park, you can see snows everywhere. The previous mercedes fire broke out in one of South Korea carpark happens in July, which is summer as well. The timeline doesnt seem to add up. But the EV fire is real.
1st Big EV fire, security guard shut off the springer system when it rang.... Korea plan to make a mandatory all EV vehicles has less than 85% charge if you want to park under ground. Meanwhile apartment management company make you responsible if charge state is more than 85%
Its a bit like every petrol station forcourt having an employee randomly sparking a cigarette lighter next to a re fuelling motorist every few hours. Russian roulette.
How effective are building fire sprinklers in suppressing EV batteries in a thermal runaway combustion? Is the safe way to park EVs is away from all structures and vehicles?
Not very, currently. The explosive gas builds without causing heat that would triger the sprinkler system. The sprinkler system could cool the battery fire when the heat builds but not put it out. The sprinkler system would be used to prevent spread of the fire.
Good overview and relatively neutral Präsentation. And Greatings to Petrol Heads, because I saw some comments: Following the comments of such petrol head, it will be just a matter of time, when petrol and gas driven vehicles will be forbidden at underground / parking garages. Check out real and not manipulatef insurance statistics, declaring how much percentage of petrol driven vehicles versus EV‘s caught fire. Looking at that, I would say if EV‘s get banned, we have to empty it completelly and change it overvto a Soccer Field. 😎
Do those batteries contain cobalt? If yes, officers in shirts will have the rest of their life ruined. Zero safety, zero information in the name of net zero.
Tesla/Renault/Nissan designs are far ahead than others who rushed into EV platforms only for a few years ago and to make things worse with designs like 800V and so on...
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I live in Korea ATM. This is a huge issue here, and many apartment complexes are taking quite drastic measures to try to eliminate as much EV fire risk as possible. Some even outright ban underground parking, while others just ask owners to charge only when absolutely necessary
Electric vehicles can set the surroundings on fire.
Gas vehicles are setting the planet on fire.
@@franklofarojr.2969wow. Just wow
@@franklofarojr.2969Gas cars produce only 10% of global CO2 emissions. Mining for lithium and other elements for EV batteries uses petroleum, and it devastates the area around the mine and spreads toxic dust. Disposal of EV batteries generates CO2 and toxic wastes.
Remember the days a certain phone did this and bam removed from sale.
Yep, from the Korean brand, LG and Samsung.
Wow! You're always allowed seconds at Korean BBQ
I feel so bad for those firefighters. Those fumes are beyond toxic. 😢
Thank you. Keep the videos coming.
There's a reason why my country's law bans EVs from parking underground
What country?
@@StacheDTrainingplease check the article on the message below/above
@@StacheDTraining charging - Governo de SP pode inviabilizar carregadores de elétricos em garagens
Em atitude sem precedentes no mundo, Corpo de Bombeiros de São Paulo quer até parede corta fogo entre os carros durante carregamento - SP government can make electric chargers unfeasible in garages
In an unprecedented attitude in the world, the São Paulo Fire Department even wants a wall to cut fire between the cars during charging
This has to be very dumb country since EVs fires are far far less frequent than combustion cars.
What country is this?
Not to mention the recent battery factory fire in Korea, that killed many people.
in the last mercedez EV fire in Korea the news outlet emphasised the "chinese battery" , but in this incident they didnt even mention the "korean battery" 😂
They mention constantly that Korean battery did not explode like Chinese battery. 1.5 hrs to put out the fire is pretty good.
@@yootoobvyooer if no one has noticed it gassing, it would have been like the last fire
@@yootoobvyooerthe infamous Chevy bolt battery was made by LG chem, you don't need to guess where it came from.
This video is funny😂
You don't know by now, the white guys are biased against China,
Saving the environment one spontaneously bursting EV at a time.
Yes more than 15 just this year alone, no problem with the 1 million Covid deaths because of DonOld I see !
Don’t worry. Most EV wanters including me don’t give a damn about the environment in the first place. I like how some anti EV individuals try to argue this point when it applies to a minority and the majority aren’t cross shopping vehicles for ThE SaKE oF LOweR g/CO2 a MiLe.
When was the last time you thought to yourself, “oh, buying this shirt will cause a net output of this many grams of carbon”? No reasonable person does that. 🤣
Some reasons I want an EV. Notice how the environment isn’t listed.
-Super cheap charging with home solar and energy independence
-Super low maintenance
-Battery will retain drive-able capacity well after 200k miles.
-Accelerator pedal that is just as reactive as a brake pedal
See? Everyone has preferences. Choosing the type of power train included. The nature of flight accidents is much worse; that does not mean you take a super rare instance and categorize flying as dangerous. I will still own a personal vehicle even if the chances of dying is much higher than zero.
@@battery_wattage nice dissertation. Carbon 'credits' (taxes), tax incentives, etc., have kept it afloat. But hey whatever floats your boat. Merely pointing out the many jedi mind tricks deployed to make it seem all rainbows and unicorns.
@@battery_wattageI bought my battery powered cell phone to save the environment!
@@user-ln7of9gs4s maybe using the traditional land line will be better for the environment since there is no efficiency loss from charging a battery and no screen and not needing to do 20,000 MOps. 😆
It is only matter of time before the insurance companies will not allow these cars in underground garages or ferrys.
I can't see airports allowing in their massive parking garages either.
Don't forget long tunnels .. could be devastating!
I read a response from someone who had a cybertruck, and 5 different insurance companies would not give him coverage.
There's already restrictions in place over there in Europe!
Look up how many garages and houses that were set on fire or gigantic ships that sunk due to cars catching fire, before EVs were even a thing.
@@larrydugan1441 Why are you guys acting like such dramaqueens - Jesus Christ it almost sound like when my wife has her girlfriends over and they start discussing all the things they are afraid of and worried about..Man the f... up!!
I've wondered if these were somehow going to be used as weapons in the near future being electronic and very flammable.
Yes get rid of your phone, NOW!
@@ronz7046 Not a bad idea, actually. It pays to be careful.
There are cases of cell phones/tablets bursting into flames. They certainly have caused injuries and/or initiated bigger fires. Good thing those batteries are about 1000+ times smaller capacity than EV batteries.
Any other product with this many problems would be pulled off the market.
Well they are still selling ICE so your point is moot!
ICE cars catch fire....so why haven't they been pulled off the market....
The NTSB states that EV's have approx 25 fires per 100,000 sold, whole gas vehicles have approx 1,530 fires per 100,000 vehicles sold. So, yea with your logic gas vehicles should be pulled off the market, but I like my Jeep.
@@who2u333 ...and I like my BYD Seal.
@@who2u333You did not get it, did you? It is about the severity and toxicity of the EVs' fire. That was his/her logic and he/she was completely reasonable!
Maybe we need to have EV’s to be covered in a fire blanket when parking in any interior location?
This was very informative. 👍🏻👍🏻
Yeah, but a “highly energized event” might still occur.
this is how i deal with lipo batteires for my r/c cars. charge that shit in a fireproof bag lmao.
Well my friend in my mind at least these vehicles are not safe under any circumstances and it borders on the criminal to let them be parked anywhere near or under buildings that are for human habitation. If it were me and my car or dwelling was compromised by one of these fires I would be extremely angry at it being allowed to park in such situations.
Why aren't these electric vehicles banned from parking in underground and multi-storey car parks.
Yes, they need to be banned from all parking lots, shopping centres and hospitals.
Because politicians don't want to send a signal that contradicts their politics.
Weither or not this endangers or kills people has never mattered.
Because ICE cars are more likely to catch fire like 20 times more likely to!
I'm quite sure that those bans (or new parking area designs) will eventually come and I've read articles that some places already may have done something. Safety rules are written in blood so it'll take some time to get sorted.
Because EV fires are so rare there is no point.
A few days after the incident, another electric car parked on the street exploded. I live in Korea.
Govt needs to mandate safety standards on these vehicles, manufacturers are not doing their job. It should not be up to parking garages, it's on the maker.
They simply need to be BANNED. Problem solved.
There bad for the environment period. They are throw away items now.
The same governments who sold us the electric mandates will NEVER, EVER admit there is a problem amd their puppet media will firmly denounce anyone saying anything to the contrary.
No government needs to STOP MANDATING. We only have these dangerous EVs because they are pushing for them.
Concept itself is Defective. EVs should be banned.
Fire blanket also protects the vehicles next to it until it can be moved somewhere else so it's very useful.
Ban EVs?
What happens when you go out bush and this shit happens who is at fault for starting a big bush fire ?
So they design the battery case to vent gases if they catch fire? So they KNOW they are dangerous. How comforting
yes, and sometimes that venting even happens right into the car cabin. Maybe now it's just a bit less comforting
good point...
The battery doesn't have to catch fire in order to offgas. Offgassing generally happens before the battery catches fire. LFP batteries can offgas without self igniting.
Never park next to a Kia EV-6
Or Mercedes EV!
@@redrider7730Just like Mercedes Kia and Hyundai only use NMC batteries. These are quite instable when compared to LFP, which can be found in standard range Tesla, most new BYD EV's and a growing number of other brands. Check the online EV-database for Battery Chemistry of all current models. When it says "Unknown", assume it is NMC (often also called NCM).
Problem is that you can park safely but you have no control over who might subsequently park near you.
Not even in the same parking lot.
Or an open flame or a house heated by natural gas, or an oil field, or a BIC, why would you worry if you’re driving an ICE car?
Maybe a video aimed at first responders regarding the toxicity of smoke from BEV and PHEV wider education is always a good thing.
Thanks for the honest expert analysis.
Korean BBQ!
Love your videos, thank you very much for creating and sharing. These are very helpful.
Thank you, so much for this enlightening and instructive video - as related to the fire blanket.
These cars need not be allowed in public parking especially enclosed garages
Then no car should, as a person who had a car burn down on me during travel (and yes well maintained and not that old, and a "normal" diesel). They can just catch fire, like from a short circuit.
They have to be parked outside - not in any buildings. As more of these things are sold the more fires we will see.
I wonder if a pre-piped flooding system would help in the future? A keyed cap in the trunk provides a path for apparatus to pump directly to the battery compartment and drain out a pressure relief valve that flows in a safe direction. It could be installed in all EVs and used to cool the battery in thermal emergencies, preventing the fire from even starting, or providing easy extinguishing access.
No one would think it’s a good idea to have a petrol station in a multilevel car park - so why would you have EV charges in them?
Well petro stations in multi-level parking garages do exist.
...because charging an EV is safer than pouring petrol into a tank....
My daughters school have installed to 150kw EV chargers in the car park...I wonder why they didn't install a couple of unmanned petrol pumps and a huge storage tank....maybe something to do with safety?
Thanks for your work, sir!
So media slammed Chinese batteries but not Korean?
It's absolutely unbelievable that they are still making these pieces of garbage. Just what is it going to take to put a stop to this insanity once and for all?????
I know. Sorry Elon but electric vehicles need a better power source, at least.
And remember …
These cars won the car of the year award ….
Not that this is anything special these days..
Just goes to the highest bidder !
@@batmanlives6456Indeed , as always mate , it’s always about the money.
Many many people dying and the loss of billions in property losses
If government around the World want people to own these vehicles , they should be responsible for the Damage that is incurred , the more there are on the road the more horrific these accidents will be , they aren't going to achieve net zero as they talk about with this technology!
In other words the first responders didn’t have a clue
Honestly, even a non-ev would likely spew out some nasty stuff. all the plastics electronics etc are not very nice to breath in.
NMC batteries are catching fire.
Are they any incidents that involves LFP type?
Yes.
This looks very “green”
Well yeah!
The money that it costs is the greenest aspect, also you can paint it green, and then it will be very green, unlike the charcoal color, just as much probably as what feeds the power grid,the toxic black smoke, and the red fire
@@iloveg25 yes , WHAT, that was right on , naaa that was a truly mis informed comment, and I’m trying to to be nice!
Green is the new scams 😂😅
How much do those fire blankets in the cabinets cost?
Are they worth stealing?
The blankets are locked up with a special key fire departments carry.
@@StacheDTraining Hopefully the building owners are smart enough to mount the cabinets 50 or so feet away from where the EVs park.
It would defeat the whole purpose if you can't get to the blanket because it's blocked by the fire.
The 1980's cars were all we needed.
I’ve bought another Citroen 2cv just like the one I used to have years ago. 👌
So true
Ah yes...can't wait to get my hands on another Ford Pinto...since my old one blew up I've been looking for so long
@@OveToranger The Ford Pinto was a 70s car, not an 80s one. It was produced between 1971 and 1980. However, implying that EV fires should be ignored because one single model of petrol car that went out of production 44 years ago also had a fire problem, is a very strange argument to make. We all want safer vehicles. Pretending that the EV fire problem doesn't exist, is both dangerous and irresponsible.
Where the snow come from in August ?
I need to ask a question... Early on when radio controlled models switched to lithium, the fires were bad. The manufacturers all decided to add something to the pouches that reducing the risk of flames. That was like 15 years ago... Why are full size cars different? To me it seems logical that this anti fkame additive would have been in the car packs from the beginning. Or is it a case of the hobby batteries do not have enough other pouches packed in tightly to raise temperatures far higher than the hobby packs?
I don't know for sure but if I were to guess I would say the additives reduce capacity or perhaps longevity.
From the video it states the batteries consisted of pouches, think flexible slim plastic bags. These are alway designed with anti-explosive design or fire prevention in mind.
Toyota has already been selling hybrid cars like the Prius for over a decade. They don't have any fires like these, as the batteries are built better but have less cells in the pack. These newer all electric cars have much tighter packaging, so all the cells have less space to breathe.
Full size cars aren't that different, but nobody cares about an RV going up in flames. But if one EV is burning, it's worldwide news.
Cars are also switching to LFP batteries. I'm not an RC guy but I've heard that they became very popular in the RC space too.
what a ridiculous thing those electric cars are...all this risk and still for sale? surreal
They still allow ICE vehicles.
@@jamesphillips2285heck yeah, and a dam good thing too.
@@jamesphillips2285which can be extinguished with a hose pipe…
EV’s should not be allowed to park in any garage or close to each other.
@@jamesphillips2285 ICE vehicles don't self combust everyday.
KIA battery is from LG, is that correct?
I wonder if that is the same as MERCEDES which also caught fire
Stash, Any idea on what products/method was used to remove the calmed down vehicle to the outside of the structure? Wheel Dollie’s? Tow Truck Wheel Lift and dollie?
Thanks,
Mark @ Toxic Suppression
Unfortunately I don't know what they used.
@@StacheDTraining ty
*Imagine this happening on the Cross Channel Tunnel between UK & France - EV's should be banned from all tunnels and underground Car Parks, in my opinion it's a question of time before a huge disaster happens !*
This has already happened some years ago and there was massive damage caused to the tunnel. Maybe you would prefer not to know that it was a DIESEL truck. Google it !!
You do know "normal" cars also catch fire right? I know that form experience sadly enough.
LPG is banned from Eurotunnel.
This is exactly why as the Fire Brigade in London state. Do not charge electric vehicles overnight or indoors. This advice is for good reason as clearly shown. Do not buy an EV.
Can you point me to where they say that because I can’t find it.
It probably applied to cheap hoverboards and scooters....not.£40 000 EV's but as with all the anti-EV brigade, don't let the details get in the way of a good story.
I can't find it either. Where do they say that???
The incident outline is that a Kia EV6 caught fire while charging in a parking lot, but did not explode, and the fire did not spread to adjacent cars and was extinguished by firefighters in about two hours.. The possibility of a fire in an electric vehicle equipped with a reliable company's battery is more than 10 times lower than that of ICE vehicles.. Even in the rare case of a fire, it is important to manage it safely with a sprinkler, pre-staged fire blanket, etc..
Yeah, but it's more fun to go "RAAAH EV BAD! LOOK AT MY 6.7 LITER DIESEL! SOOO MUCH COAL ROLLING! WOW!" and get the likes ;) .
Traditional fire systems such as sprinklers and fire extinguishers which work by isolating the burning material from the air (and therefore from oxygen) are totally INEFFECTIVE against battery fires. The battery fire is not a standard combustion with oxygen in the air, but a chemical reaction in which both the fuel and the oxidizer are packed together so much so that even immersed in water it would continue to burn. Guess what other substances are made up of a mixture of fuel and oxidizer? If your answer is EXPLOSIVES...Yes you guessed it!
if the possibility is so low for EV's to catch fire... THEN WHY DO SO MANY OF THEM GO UP IN FLAMES your ignorance of thinking that they are "green" and better for the environment than a normal car is impressive. People seem to forget about basic Biology real cars right now put out CO2 which PLANTS NEED TO BREATH but since idiots on our planet keep slicing down forests left and right we have a build-up of CO2 so its simple QUIT CUTTING DOWN THE GD TREES and plant more of them and you could more than likely fix a good portion of the global warming problem.
If an EV catches fire in a parking garage and destroyed 100 ICE vehicles. Does this mean it was 1 EV fire and 100 ICE fires?
Hyundai Ioniq and Kia EV6 have been frequently involved in accidents where the vehicle burns out and deaths occur due to battery thermal runaway after crashing into a low curb. A thorough investigation is needed to prevent further casualties.
Yesterday was in Lisbon. 200 cars got burned
Thanks. I'll look into the details.
Maybe I'm stating the obvious fact, but it is unfortunately the case that these batteries do have the ability to go into catastrophic thermal runaway for a number of reasons... it is certainly a RARE occurrence, but it does happen. That's a simple, undeniable fact.
Unfortunately, if you start exponentially increasing the number of these batteries, you also increase the likelihood of these 'rare' occurrences... possibly to the point where they become common occurrences.
And then there is design safety or failure rate.
Would that be failure rate of 1 in 100,000 \ 1 in 1,000,000 \ 1 in 10,000,000 \ 1 in 100,000,000 ?
Yes. They forced an untested product into millions of arms and rare events started happening to young athletes all over the place. Rare my arse.
disagree
LFP batteries are becoming more popular and overall failure rate of batteries is decreasing.
We hear this argument since more than 10 years but there have been millions and millions of sold EVs since then but the EV sceptics still get their battery fire cases very rarely and literally have to look for them in the whole world.
@@Tschacki_Quacki EV fires aren't rare. I live just up the road from a vehicle impound yard, where stolen, burnt out, and accident damaged vehicles are recovered to. I've been here for over 15 years, and in all that time, the only burnt out cars I've witnessed being recovered there have all been EVs. The vast majority of them have been Teslas. In my 44 years on this earth, I've only ever seen 3 burnt out petrol cars (two arson, one unknown), and the last one happened over 25 years ago. However, I have lost count of the number of EVs that have caught fire in the last year alone.
You said the battery was 800 volts, but you didn't say its type... is it the LFP or NMC type? Do you know of any cases of fire with an LFP battery?

This was not LFP. There have been a number of LFP fires tied to energy storage.
@@StacheDTraining wow that's great, so we don't have any cars with LFP batteries that caught fire spontaneously?
@Rafa-qv8si there have been. Quite a few BYD vehicles. Unfortunately, it's often difficult to know which vehicles use which battery chemistry.
@@Rafa-qv8sisorry to burst your bubble. An LFP cell may have a higher thermal runaway point then an NMC cell.
Here we are talking charging battery packs. Of course there have been fires with LFP battery packs, as things can go wrong in many aspects of a battery pack and chargers
Towed to a salvage yard? You meant to say the scrap yard. There's nothing salvageable on that thing. It was garbage to begin with.
Tomato Tomato
EVs are the bestest thing since sliced bread.
I can see the homeless swiping those blankets.
its ok. they are only 3000$ each
there needs to be some urgent development for things like a suspended fire blanket that automatically drops from above once smoke is detected and even has the ability to automatically call the hazmat team? should these charging spots have a steel plate that can be hooked to and tow the burning car out sitting on it already even? i feel there's many ideas that could easily help that wouldn't cost very much to make a big impact in an emergency.
Here's an easier one, you aren't allowed to park your "green" hazmat in the making indoors. Then people quit buying them and the problem is solved. They are cheaply made with too much tech yet overpriced and are a hazard that claims to solve problems. I'll keep driving my diesel 2004 Excursion which actually was well built and doesn't spontaneously start fires. Seats 8 people, has 4x4, tows 11,000 pounds like nothing. Goes over 350 miles on a tank of fuel and can be refueled in ten minutes. Also if I get in a wreck the survivability of myself and my passengers is pretty good unless I get hit by a Mack truck. Know any of these EV's that can do all of that?
I wonder if there was a way to remove the gases from the air.
Didn't they have thermal runaway fire extinguisher handy?
Where does Kia get their battery? This is why I am confident with my BYD battery
So an electric car started a fire. What was in the other 139 cars that burned?
Who will pay for the other cars? The centre who allowed the EV in the car park or the EV owners insurance company?
Failure in the Battery Management System (BMS)?
If we could only make a vehicle that doesn't spontaneously combust while parked. Oh wait...
Definitely not any ICE vehicle with hot metal parts with no protection to the outside.
@@wocket42 So basically, what you are saying is that it's okay for prodigious numbers of EVs to catch fire because the occasional petrol or diesel car catches fire also. That's a very strange argument to make. And before you respond with made up statistics, 65% of all vehicle fires are the result of arson, and most of the rest are caused by electrical failures. The petrol or diesel fuel system typically doesn't cause fires. Something else has to happen first.
@@matthewgodwin3050 the root cause doesn't really matter to the damage the fire causes, though. And blaming non-working sprinkler system etc on EVs is just dishonest. And yes, the number is prodigious. Prodigious low.
Free BBQ with an EV, now that’s some sales pitch.
Look! The professional firefighters are using water to fight the fire! Keyboard professionals were saying in the first incident that not only was water ineffective. It was also _dangerous_ for bystanders due to potential 'electricity' shock. Lol. Electric shock from a chemical fire! 😂
Good video, wish you would have showed more of the fire.
I'd always love to show more. Unfortunately, sometimes there's very little to work with.
I live in Portugal, and a few days ago, there was a fire on a parking garage near the airport in Lisbon, and more than 200 cars were destroyed.
It started on a EV car.
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pretty sure there were multiple kias and hyundais catching fire way before they started making EVs and hybrids
I need to check ev parking policies before i buy a condo
What exactly is an "energetic event"? 🤔
Whoever thought that highly explosive lithium batteries would be a good idea to put in cars should get a round of applause. And people that believe this is a green option without investigating how the batteries are made should pat themselves on the back. Pure genius.
Well, laptops and cell phones are usually kept out of being smashed or dunked in water
Very informative! Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Maybe a good idea is to only allow these tricking time bombs to park on the top of the garage if at all.
Maybe the governments should do a "cash for clunkers" thing but to get rid of electric cars?
But it's green!! 🙄
Only if the paint is green, ah maybe they mean it's poisonous, that makes sense then.
I dunno, looks kinda black and burnt to me.
@@johngray3449 Sigh. Such a shame that this "new world" could be so much better and "Environmentalism" wasn't a byword for "absolute trash". Oh well, tomorrow is a new day and another opportunity to make the world a better place. I wish everyone a wonderful evening and a better tomorrow.
No. Its red
@@AmiruddinPalutturi Only when en fuego..
So what's going on ?
Are these new vehicle in the 'series' with "untested battery complexes". Were the small defeat is just presenting itself.
Somehow is the humidity in the underground garages "defeating" the electrical shorting defense.
With the large, almost vast, number of circuits in these hundred of kilogram batteries what does the design failure rate need to be: 1 in 100,000 - 1 in 1,000,000,000. Or just where in between ?
Kia … cars that inspire ?
No Kia , cars that start fires 🔥
Watching your videos, a quick win would be to have regulation that forbids charging above 80% inside a parking garage.
50%.
Compare it with Mercedes-Benz's Chinese battery explosion video. It looks completely different. EV6 is well suppressed enough for people to enter and extinguish the fire. It would have taken at least 15 minutes for the firefighters to arrive at the scene. It's a good deterrent. And it is similar to the topic of internal combustion cars.
For an ev fire we meed to know battery chemistry. Just like ice vehicles, over time safety improves. We are now only in the early stage of evs.
A building with underground or indoor parking should upgrade its fire safety and sprinkler systems to prevent EVs from catching fire. As the popularity of EVs continues to rise, it’s crucial for property owners to address the unique fire risks associated with lithium-ion batteries.
The EV industry should take responsibility for these safety concerns by collaborating with building owners and regulatory agencies to establish comprehensive guidelines and standards that prioritize fire safety in parking structures.
StacheD thank you for cover such topics.
Ohh my, seriously everytime I see this (I see it very often thesedays) - I ask WHY?! Why people risk lives and enormous damage (their own and people's around) by buy electric vehicles (any type, not only cars)?! EVs are very dangerous and unpredictable - they can spontaneously self-ignite, explode, self-drive (when you don't want and don't expect it), self speed-up, lock doors by itself during being on fire without any way to open doors.
Of course - it happens mainly in mainland China, but not only.
I've been driving for about 60 years and have only seen a couple of car fires, all with obvious reasons as to why they happened. There will never be an EV in our attached garage even if the day comes where I'm forced to own one.
This is great content 👏
Glad you're enjoying it!
Fire codes and regulations are more of suggestions, then the actual safety measures in South Korea, it seems.
check out the explosion in the Chinese port today. It sure looked like a Battery runaway .
huge explosion , maybe from chemical explosion like Beirut port or Tianjin some years ago ?
@@M_Jono Could very well be. Some kind of compressed fuel.
Uhm... it surely did NOT look like battery runaway??? It was a huge explosion. Batteries don't behave like this at all...
@@Tschacki_Quacki Nope it looked like a gaseous vapor conflagration to me.
A battery would be on my top 3 list after propane or butane.
I do have a clue about how accelerants work.....
@@thomaslthomas1506 May you give me a hint on an incident where thermal runaway from a battery has caused an explosion like this?
Why are you not highlighting the fires in apartment blocks caused by people charging their scooters/ebikes? That is to me really serious.
Where is Kreeah?
Whats the point spraying water on a box containing a fire ?
How about a valve/socket pipe on the battery case where crews can connect a pipe to, and inject water, or CO2, or liquid nitrogen...
Mining trucks have them but aesthetics being what it is the car manufacturers think it will turn away potential buyers.
No reason why it can't be hidden in the trunk or where the engine should be.
@@NortyNige @NortyNige I didnt know that !. They could fit a quick release connector underneath
The big danger with this as you have pointed out is the gross ignorance of the people around this scene without BA. The reason for this ignorance is that the danger (at least in the UK,) is not being publicised. In a confined space the clear instruction should be NOT to try to extinguish (coz you cannot) and to get out of the building and call the fire service. Some guy was there with an extinguisher I noticed. This message is not being publicised and it’s going to lead to a very tragic event before too long.
If you need fire extinguishers and blankets as a safety precaution I think it is a message not to ride inside one.
When are these things going to be outlawed?
The biggest take on this is the fire crews getting there before it was too late. I suppose that the guy walking through at the beginning made the call to get the FD there quickly. Time was definitely on their side.
Smokey the Bear says, "Only you can prevent parking garage fires."
Could there be the possibility that the manufacture is acting maliciously and make the parameters volatile so it overcharges the batteries to get them to go into thermal runaway since they can remote update the batteries charge module remotely.
And why on earth would that do that?? Do you think it would make a given manufactur sell more or less cars??
I mean come on don't be stupid
I see clips like this all the time but there is no mention about the 1.8 million Toyota RAV4 that have just been recalled because of FIRE risks or the person that just purchased a RAV4 five days ago to just have it catch on FIRE or the 102,000 Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX to have them replaced. I think somebody is being paid to NOT publicise what is really is going on with Legacy Auto makers.
Why are NOT banned from underground garages?
Why are charging stations underground?
Don't we have enough experience with this situation? Hard enough on the surface.
does this just happen recently? It is summer now in Korea, but when the car is out of car park, you can see snows everywhere. The previous mercedes fire broke out in one of South Korea carpark happens in July, which is summer as well. The timeline doesnt seem to add up.
But the EV fire is real.
2024년 8월 한국은 35도의 한여름이야 이사고는 저번주에 일어난 일이야!!
눈은 1~3월에만 볼수있어
1st Big EV fire, security guard shut off the springer system when it rang.... Korea plan to make a mandatory all EV vehicles has less than 85% charge if you want to park under ground. Meanwhile apartment management company make you responsible if charge state is more than 85%
Nothing to do with charge level, it just makes it a bit worse.
@@johngray3449 I did agree. Make the battery more unstable and more explosive when it is short-circuited or punctured,
Its a bit like every petrol station forcourt having an employee randomly sparking a cigarette lighter next to a re fuelling motorist every few hours. Russian roulette.
Quite cool with diesel. You can extinguish your match/cigarette in that stuff. Diesel fire takes bit of effort to get going.
How effective are building fire sprinklers in suppressing EV batteries in a thermal runaway combustion? Is the safe way to park EVs is away from all structures and vehicles?
Not very, currently.
The explosive gas builds without causing heat that would triger the sprinkler system.
The sprinkler system could cool the battery fire when the heat builds but not put it out.
The sprinkler system would be used to prevent spread of the fire.
@@weldonyoung1013 ~ I agree, that's my understanding too. Lithium battery cars are not safe in parking garages or next to valuable property.
Good overview and relatively neutral Präsentation.
And Greatings to Petrol Heads, because I saw some comments:
Following the comments of such petrol head, it will be just a matter of time, when petrol and gas driven vehicles will be forbidden at underground / parking garages.
Check out real and not manipulatef insurance statistics, declaring how much percentage of petrol driven vehicles versus EV‘s caught fire.
Looking at that, I would say if EV‘s get banned, we have to empty it completelly and change it overvto a Soccer Field. 😎
Do those batteries contain cobalt? If yes, officers in shirts will have the rest of their life ruined.
Zero safety, zero information in the name of net zero.
Cell phones were made for net zero.
Tesla/Renault/Nissan designs are far ahead than others who rushed into EV platforms only for a few years ago and to make things worse with designs like 800V and so on...