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Bare Knuckle Guide to '50s vs Modern Wiring

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  • Gibson Les Pauls of the late 1950s had some really special features that contribute towards their long-standing status as true kings of guitar tone. One element of that is the way that their volume and tone controls were connected. In this video we go into how that differs from the modern way of wiring and what effect it has on your sound.
    For the demonstration, we used a custom Daemoness single cut daemonessguita...
    loaded with our Steve Stevens signature "Rebel Yell" humbuckers www.bareknuckl...
    Custom CTS 550K pots www.bareknuckl...
    and BKP/Jensen paper in oil tone capacitors www.bareknuckl...
    That was running straight into an Elmwood Modena M90 head, into a Greenback loaded Hughes & Kettner straight 4x12 and captured with an SE X1R ribbon microphone.

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  • @scriptureexamined4664
    @scriptureexamined4664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Everything on 10: modern 1:54 | '50s 2:57
    Max volume, tone rolled back: modern 2:10 2:16 2:23 | '50s 3:14 3:20 3:27 3:34
    Tone below half, volume rolled back: modern 2:29 | '50s 3:39
    Taper of volume pot: modern 2:46 | '50s 4:10

    • @johnnasta
      @johnnasta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      These links are very helpful. You can really hear how the 50s wiring preserves the high end when you roll the volume back and forth.

    • @Farold_Haltermeyer
      @Farold_Haltermeyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you, so much easier!

  • @camel747
    @camel747 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I'd love to hear the comparison broken down into one to two second segments, my (and I think most people's) auditory memory is too short to compare segments minutes apart.

    • @J.C...
      @J.C... 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fast forward and rewind. Easy peasy.

    • @JHKNVY02
      @JHKNVY02 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed, immediate back to back would be much preferred. Rolling back and forth you loose the ability to A/B

  • @JoelGilardini
    @JoelGilardini 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I have the 50s wiring on all my guitars, and I love it. I feel the guitar tone this way is more focused and present.

  • @bradleyshuppert3393
    @bradleyshuppert3393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The best part of 50s wiring is being able to dime out some of your amps tone and volume controls, higher than what you normally use, and backing off the volume and tone knobs on the guitar to your original taste, then when you need an apparent boost for leads, turn up your tone and or volume off the guitar....instant at your fingers control without stepping on a pedal...think Hendrix... it works!!

  • @errflow
    @errflow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Only after rolling back my phone volume to zero could I tell the difference.
    Cheers.

  • @MAMTROTH
    @MAMTROTH ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I appreciate the info and demos in this video, it was really insightful. I think a nice follow up utilizing cleaner tones would be a really nice addition too!
    Thanks for the vid!

  • @familiarpurrson8744
    @familiarpurrson8744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wonderful; this was exactly what I was looking for. 50's it is.

  • @J.C...
    @J.C... 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I definitely prefer 50s wiring. Glad to know that before I replace my pots later today.

  • @baritonecult622
    @baritonecult622 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was so cool, great info as to what's going on inside with the wiring etc.
    Thumbs up from me guys, videos take a bunch of time and effort. Awesome content

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks so much! Plenty more to come!

  • @kreinandru0424
    @kreinandru0424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can't believe I was just researching about this a while ago and 5 hours ago you just posted this video. Thanks! 😂

  • @nedim_guitar
    @nedim_guitar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video! I love this kind of nerdiness. :) It's amazing how the guitar tone keeps its clarity with 50's wiring when you roll down the tone. I've got two Epiphone Les Pauls, and I might change the wiring on one of them.

  • @tobaccyjuice
    @tobaccyjuice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Right on! ...just did this and now the volume pot has a full sweep, sweeeeet.
    Before,,, the whole sweep was in the first 3rd, not no more ! Thanks

  • @RiffMusic1970
    @RiffMusic1970 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Should’ve put modern lick and 50’s lick right next to each other.

  • @craiglizt8074
    @craiglizt8074 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've always preferred 50s wiring on my LP-style guitars.

  • @m4d_mark_xtr3me79
    @m4d_mark_xtr3me79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I deffinatley noticed some high treble bleed from the 50s
    I think that's what gives it it's character.
    It picks up dynamic pic articulation, the glassy acoustics and the smooth wooly sound when the tones rolled back.
    Mostly positives 👍

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Some players really get on with it, some players don't. It's very much down to preference, but it's basically free to try if you have a tone pot and cap in your guitar, so why not experiment?

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely, its.

    • @J.C...
      @J.C... 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's also the only way to really get the tone from classic music played on 50s and 60s Les Pauls. There's HUGE sonic difference between the 2. On 10 and on 0.

    • @J.C...
      @J.C... 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@BKPickupsthere's actually quite a stark difference between the 2 options with everything on 10. If you actually play similar clips back to back, it's quite obvious. Like compare 2:13 to 3:14, etc... Not sure how you don't hear it? Playing power chords makes it even more apparent.

  • @zarbog8618
    @zarbog8618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THANK YOU!!!

  • @lone-wolf-1
    @lone-wolf-1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the enlightement! 😃👍🏼

  • @thiagoborsari7364
    @thiagoborsari7364 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have 50's wiring on all my guitars, even the non Gibson ones. Always try it out before considering pickups or electronics changing. You will have a new guitar after the wiring.

  • @npet6842
    @npet6842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have all 7 LP standard ( Hummers and P90 ) as '50's . It sounds much better and I can also use other means for vol/tone .

  • @c.turner4588
    @c.turner4588 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Apparently there are 3 types of Gibson wiring.
    50's, Vintage and Modern?

  • @danduntz9112
    @danduntz9112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I looked on your site to see if you had a 50’s pre-wired kit for a prs, but didn’t find one. Can that be ordered custom?

  • @thegolfnut812
    @thegolfnut812 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you think about putting treble bleed in a 50's and modern wiring? Thanks

  • @joshstead6078
    @joshstead6078 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would a treble bleed mod make 50's wiring almost redundant?

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's certainly going to produce some similar effects, but you could also argue the other way around, since 50's wiring doesn't use any extra components.

  • @user-qe4rs4gy9i
    @user-qe4rs4gy9i ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm always trying to get more treble with volume down... I've never heard of any of the gear in this video except vintage 30s!!!!!

  • @earthstick
    @earthstick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still don't quite understand why it makes a difference and to complicate it, some wiring diagrams put the tone cap before the tone pot, others put it after. I think this is the difference between a high pass filter (cap>res) and a low pass filter (res>cap). But if the tone circuit comes after the volume resistor (50s) then isn't there:
    vRes>cap>tRes>gnd
    vRes>tRes>cap>gnd
    And if it comes before the volume resistor (modern) isn't it:
    cap>tRes>gnd
    tRes>cap>gnd

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The different sequences of cap and potentiometer don't alter the tone to any particular degree, they are simply manufacturing / assembly choices by guitar makers. Hooking up the cap as the last component in the chain before ground simply allows them to more easily pre-assemble the pot and cap together, before putting it into the wiring cavity. The key difference between modern and '50s is where the tone circuit links in to the volume pot. Modern wiring links into the pickup input, '50s links to the volume pot output, which is obviously a variable signal level and resistance, depending on where the dial is set.

  • @BrianLeverett
    @BrianLeverett ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know why 50s wiring changed to modern for production guitars?

  • @monstrord
    @monstrord 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey folks, and regards from Brazil. Could you tell me the difference about grounding the middle tone Lug or the side tone lug? Sound path looks the same.

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As far as the filtering and tone go, it works the same, but different placements can slightly affect the noise level in your signal. Original '50s wiring connected the middle lug to ground, which gives you the best overall noise performance.

  • @s.barreto8700
    @s.barreto8700 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s the difference between soldering one leg of the cap to ground and linking the volume and the tone pots with the cap?

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In both cases, the resistance of the pot and the capacitor are wired in series. The two different methods that you describe change the order that the components sit in the chain, so, when linking the pots with the cap, the tone pot is on the ground side of the cap and, when mounting the cap onto the tone pot, the pot is on the hot side of the cap. Both styles should create the same filtering frequencies, but for a true 50's, the cap should be linking the pots.

  • @GabrielSkolderblad
    @GabrielSkolderblad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On full volume and Tone the sound is identical between the different wirings?

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, you only start to hear differences when you begin to roll back the controls. With everything on 10, the circuits are essentially working identically to each other

  • @offwegonow
    @offwegonow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Make a switch, so you can select between them.

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That could certainly be done!

  • @user-bi3id6bg3g
    @user-bi3id6bg3g ปีที่แล้ว

    Recommend a set of pickups for vintage v100 tsb.

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Our favourite for a classic singlecut tone would be the Mule, but, if you want something more crisp, the Riff Raff will cover a huge range of sounds too

    • @user-bi3id6bg3g
      @user-bi3id6bg3g ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BKPickups recommend a bridge for metal

  • @algreen266
    @algreen266 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi i was wondering if you can help me , i purchase a new harness assembled harness kit for my les paul.I also purchased 1 490 and 498 pick ups, unfortunately the 498 has 5 wires and the 490 has 1 wire wrapped with a neutral and i dont know where they should be soldered.can you help me.Thanks

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Connect the green and white wires together and cover up the joint with tape or some shrink tubing, then connect the black and bare wires to ground and the red wire to the bridge volume pot input. For the braided wire 490R, connect the outer shield to ground and the inner wire to the input of the neck volume pot. That should get you fixed up!

    • @algreen266
      @algreen266 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BKPickups I thank you greatly for your help i also feel guilty making you write an essay .Please if there is no trouble im a handyman and i understand better in drawings, please if its ok by you can i send you the picture of the wirring harness and pick up wires and all you have to do is draw a line where which wire goes where.If yes can you kindly send me your email.I appreciate it greatly Sir.

  • @symptomoftheuniverse1261
    @symptomoftheuniverse1261 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my SG the capacitor is wired at the volume tone second lug to the tone pot second lug. Is that a right connection? When it comes to electronics I'm really bad.

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There are several ways to connect the tone capacitor, The way that yours is wired will behave more like '50s wiring.

    • @symptomoftheuniverse1261
      @symptomoftheuniverse1261 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BKPickups thank you I'm grateful

  • @baronvonchickenpants6564
    @baronvonchickenpants6564 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I hate the wiring that cuts out both pickups in the middle position when you only turn one down

    • @JohnDoe-cu2hl
      @JohnDoe-cu2hl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Isn't that what 50's does?

    • @andrewbecker3700
      @andrewbecker3700 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnDoe-cu2hl no, modern does that. My Les Pauls with '50s wiring are great in the middle position with the bridge vol rolled back a bit. Burstbucker 2&3 are very well balanced and you can get almost unlimited tones. My LP custom silverburst with EMG 81/85s does that, and it sucks bigtime. I've heard there's a way to wire EMGs to get the 50's wiring benefits.

  • @kristiant6056
    @kristiant6056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s the 50s all the way for me. When I hear a les Paul that’s what I think about..

  • @GlennLaguna
    @GlennLaguna 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a "Kill" feature in 50's wiring, when you toggle to the middle position?

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure, if to roll back the volume of one pickup, then you will get 2 silent positions on the toggle. That effect has more to do with how the pickups are connected to the volume pot, rather than how the volume and tone are connected.

    • @GlennLaguna
      @GlennLaguna 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BKPickups Thanks for getting back. I have been playing single pickup jazz boxes only for going on 35 years. I picked up this particular guitar because I liked the tone and wanted a lighter guitar for gigs where I stand up for a longer time playing. But I've not had a double pickup in over 35 years and don't remember if I had this issue and I asked a few of my friend who have les pauls and teles and they said they did not know. But here is an unlisted video of my setup th-cam.com/video/XWNYrrkYwfw/w-d-xo.html

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GlennLaguna That behaviour is completely normal. When in the middle position, both volume pots will act as master volumes over both pickups simultaneously. So, the sound that you hear is coming from both pickups and both volume controls can turn that whole signal all the way down to zero. If you don't want that to happen, you would need to rewire the volume pots to be independent, which simply involves switching the input and output wires on each. The job is mad a bit trickier because of the hllowbody construction, as all of the pots would need to be unscrewed and withdrawn out through the pickup hole in order to get to the wiring.

    • @GlennLaguna
      @GlennLaguna 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BKPickups okay good to know. I did more reading up. Is what I have 50s wiring?

  • @SevasGuitar
    @SevasGuitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:58 always has zero resistance of the volume pot. If the passage for the signal has full resistance how can it go to tone pot?

  • @bradt.3555
    @bradt.3555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everything on 10 there is 0 difference as the two terminals on the vol are connected together. Draw back is when on both PU's the tone affects both PU's or the output, the other 50's wiring the tones are more separated to the individual PU's. They are both 50's wiring since back then they came out wired both way's. This was probably due to the day of the week and how much the builder partied the weekend before. Really in a band nobody's gonna know the difference. In a blind A-B test most people might hear some difference but wouldn't be able to identify which is which. To me too much attention payed to things that have 0 effect compared to playing. Just like focusing on technical ability rather than technique. I see on so many videos people don't know the difference.

  • @escritaemdia3414
    @escritaemdia3414 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi guys! Really nice video and helps a lot making decisions... Thanks really!
    Tell me something, can I use your BKP paper/oil 0.022uf caps with both 50s and modern wiring methods? Or are them only advisable for the 50s one? I see a lot of modern wiring methods using the small 47uf or something small cap..
    Sooner im going to install one BKP the mule on this LP and im curious about the impact your caps will have on the way I choose to wire the new pickups on this guitar (I already have your caps as well)
    Thanks in advanced and looking forward to hear from you :)
    Cheers from Portugal

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sure, you can use the same capacitors for both setups, changing the capacitance value simply alters the range of sweep that you have on the tone control

    • @nunodagamacardinho762
      @nunodagamacardinho762 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great!! Thanks for taking the time to reply ;) keep the awesome work guys

  • @marklaesch6273
    @marklaesch6273 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Too bad there was so much distortion. Would have been a good demo if the amp was set to clean

  • @HandMadeWrath
    @HandMadeWrath 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    50s wiring vs solderless

  • @curtrod
    @curtrod 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so much distortion it doesn't matter and you can't tell the difference

  • @avivpinto4013
    @avivpinto4013 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually the taper on the modern is better

  • @Alfredo78666
    @Alfredo78666 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, but that's a PRS! Di blasfemi!:-7

  • @Neil-Aspinall
    @Neil-Aspinall 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In reality 95% of guitarists never touch volume or tone controls on a guitar, they expect a multitude of pedals to worry about those things.

    • @BKPickups
      @BKPickups  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sure, but it's always good to know your options!

    • @eyedunno8462
      @eyedunno8462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are missing out on lots of nuanced and subtle colorations capable from an electric guitar. It can inspire them to do play other styles of music

    • @michaelmoore7975
      @michaelmoore7975 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And 100% of lead singers changes a light bulb by standing still while the world revolves around him.

    • @Neil-Aspinall
      @Neil-Aspinall 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelmoore7975 Mmm still doesn't change the fact Mickey.

    • @David-yl6bc
      @David-yl6bc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Neil-Aspinall Maybe you are right, but I think the reason might also be that using these controls does not bring the sounds that they are looking for. So it absolutly makes sense for them to try something else.