FIRST TIME REACTION to Injustice
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Should The Joker Die? Absolutely. Does Batman have to do it? No. The Government should have Chaired him long ago.
Problem with that is someone or something eventually revives him or a new one usually takes his place.
@@CircuitReborn well next joker or joker who revives would still be far less confident and cocky because then he would know if he gets caught he dies
Or green lantern could have left him out of the safety bubble when the nuke went off
@alanscott6005 these are Jokers. They legit want Batman to kill them. So it's not like they fear death
@@bryangarcia5207 joker is certainly more confident and brave with his tricks because he knows nobody will murder him
Ironically Enough, this movie is an injustice to the comic series of Injustice. It rushes through so many plot points and story line to try to condense a 5 year tale into a feature length. You guys should check out the comic series in your own time.
That's because it's doing its own thing. Duh
They should turn it into an animated show
The comic is even worse, everyone that isn't portayed being 100% down with the regime are made into spineless cowards and ok with imprisoning/killing other heroes until Supes kills Billy. Glad that they spared Barry and Hal having their characters assassinated in this adaptation. They also made Dick not useless and help redeem Damien in the end.
@@MrGuidoxo Its almost like it is an elseworlds story, where characters arent bound to act 100% like the incarnation that you are used to. And the difference between the injustice comic and this. Is that the comic was it's own thing, where as this is literally an adaptation.
@@DJPrimeAmvs Doing it's own thing would be doing things differently. As much as I hate Batman Hush, it actually did that. Batman Red Hood did that by cutting out alot of cameos, changing the reason Jason came back, and the ending.
This was just bad abridging of a good story. It's like Tokyo Ghoul root A. It was less different and more just gutted of context to get to the hypest moments of the story despite making them hollow.
It’s hard to imagine Gotham letting Joker off the hook so many times and not establishing a death penalty for all the atrocities he committed.
You’d be surprised the absolute monsters that get to live because theirs no death penalty in the real world
Well Most of the time, joker is sent to Arkham because he pretends to be crazy in front of everyone.
@@theghostofuchiha1496 well he is crazy but he is not stupid
@@theghostofuchiha1496 I mean, Joker wouldn't meet the standards for insanity defense in the real world. They'd fucking fry that clown. But comic books, ya know?
Joker typically gets off with a ruling of not guilty by reason of insanity. That's why he goes to Arkham instead of being set free. He's still a danger, but just because he's found "not guilty" by a jury doesn't mean he isn't punished for his crimes. He goes to a maximum security mental care facility instead of a normal prison to await a death sentence.
The biggest issue I have with that is I find it hard to believe after so many years of terrorizing Gotham, the jury wouldn't just unanimously find him guilty outright on the off chance he could get the death penalty. That's why juries are handpicked and vetted by the court to ensure that they're nonpartisan.
Batman's reasoning is simple: vigilantes aren't above the law. He catches Joker, it's on the courts to decide his fate. And they keep putting him in Arkham.
People want Batman to kill Joker so they don't have to admit he isn't the one who failed. They are.
I don't support the government killing people. But everyone should have the right to defend themselves. If everyone in Gotham was a strong supporter of the second amendment, the Joker and most of Batman's colorful villains would have been dead very quickly.
@@spencernaugle ...You realize they have henchmen, right?
You're not just shooting at one person, you're shooting at about 20 people.
@@TimedRevolver bro is thinking the penguin or the riddler are doing brake ins and store robberies
@@TimedRevolver
Which is why I focused on the colorful villains. The ones with big egos that like to walk in first for dramatic entrance. *Followed* by the henchmen who often seem to only be following out of fear. As soon as their leader is Dead, they will flee like rats.
Imagine Joker starts his horrifically bloody crime spree, most people would hear about what he looks like and what he'll do. He walks into a mall, kills the first Security guard that tries to stop him, alerting everyone to his presence. In a densely populated city like Gotham there's very likely 1 or more U.S. Combat Veterans who would do something about it.
(They say Batman can beat anybody with prep time, I would say the US Marines are the closest thing we've got in the real world.)
@@spencernaugle Yeah, but it depends on which Joker you're dealing with.
The Nicholson Joker would probably be the easiest to take out. But Joker from that The Batman cartoon?
He fought Batman on even footing and won. Multiple times. If Batman can't beat someone hand-to-hand, a Marine sure isn't.
This is why people like Bronze Tiger exist. He would wipe the floor with most Batman villains.
I imagine this is the reason Superheroes don’t tend to ever kill. Because once you kill to solve a problem, you’ll start to see it as a common solution and see yourself as being above the law which is why they usually leave the villains sentences to the people. Batman is afraid of what he’ll become if he ever crosses that line and he’s just a human. Now a super powered alien who can fight and even best gods? That’s terrifying to have as a dictator.
That was a great discussion Superman and Flash had in the book that this skipped over to a degree.
For Batman, is not just about being afraid of becoming senseless to killing, is the fear of becoming the same source of trauma he witnessed as a child. Is the fear of becoming responsible for taking the life of someone's father or son the same way his parents were taken from him. The fear of making someone else's the victim of the same act that changed his life forever. And that also applies to the Joker, doesn't matter how derranged or dangerous he is, ultimately he is also someone's son, and killing him would mean taking away someone's family.
Not if you're a rational person. Only someone as crazy as Batman would go down that kind of road. Superman and Wonder Woman are both mentally stable enough to keep killing in their back pocket.
@@SonicMegaKing are they stable? And even if they are, will they keep being stable after slaughtering millions? As much as I agree that they are much more mentally healthy than Batsy. They also are beings with godlike powers and longevity to outlive the whole planet. If beings with such power became indifferent to the lives of humans, killing for justice can quickly turn into killing for order, then killing for amusement. Just like children killing ants. Also, killing for the sake of saving lives IS STILL KILLING!
They didn't skip over it the just did that scene with Mr terrific and superman instead of flash since he was dead of which I'm fine with for a few reasons 1. The flash would never side with superman like he does in the game or comics and would 100% be team batman 2. If flash was on team batman he could solve all of the issues ending so much faster then everyone else is (seriously some people legit have no idea how broke his speed is). 3) he fna time travel and stop it from happening but if you write that off asa possiblity in fear of creating a flash point paradox sinario ( of which it should lnt because not enough time has progressed yet to the point that time is not set in stone yet and 4 he could go to a different earth and ask for him from another superman etc...yes it was clumsy they way they killed him off and the biggest issue is how no one seems to acknowledge or address it almost like no one cared that did bother me ABIT but removing him from the play board did not because of how easily the flash could solve this problem@@Andros1921
Wonder Woman was such an instigator in this. Joker crossed all the lines and I get Supes is angry and hurt but he also crossed too many lines. Plastic Man was such a treat this movie
Yeah honestly I don't think Superman would have gone that far without Wonder Woman in his ear lol
@@MXALOVE the crazy part is she started off on the right foot and somewhere in the middle acted stupid. But hey at least she came around in the end unlike in the game and comics where she went full tyrant.
She was worse in the comics and games. She was basically a villain.
@@jaylenharris343it was almost uncharacteristic of her to be that much of a tyrant then went "I'm doing this for my people AND my maybe husband Sups"
He should’ve been in the game
So, to give context about Plastic Man, how powerful he is and why is he so ignored by DC.
Plastic Man's is capable of shapesshifting and stretching at an extreme point, and is extremely resistant, not in the sense that he is invulnerable, but in the sense that he has been blown up, broken, melted, and he just fuses the separated parts, covers the missing parts, etc. And in that way always recovers in no time
This guy is almost impossible to kill unless you destroy him to a molecular level because if there's at least a part of plastic man somewhere, then he will come back.
He also works AMAZING as an spy, he can transform into objects and other characters with ease and has been used for multiple infiltration missions, also, you saw how locks and stuff like that usually have no chance because he will somehow open them.
Batman who has a plan for EVERYONE, literally has a plan against plastic man that is resumed in "freezing him so that he can't stretch, and keep him there" admitting that they are lucky to have Plasticman on their side.
And because of how OP he is, he isn't used or is left at the backseats. He basically needs to be extremely nerfed if you want to use him and make a story in wich he is not just inmediately winning.
Well usually there was that comic ark where spent thousands of years putting his body back together as it was split into its molecules. Incredible mental fortitude that he quit the justice league to recover rather than going utterlly insane as he was aware the whole time.
Yeah, Even Batman's infamous contingency plans admit to being unable to permanently stop Plastic man, only delay him..
@@Senkoau I didn't knew about that one, god I love Plastic Man
And he was basically a sidekick in the "brave and the bold" series.
Batman said himself that they're lucky he prefers being comic relief.
In the original story joker didn't kill flash. And flash was one of the key players in injustice.
Yea. They did my boy so dirty in this movie
Yeah this is almost like an alternate Injustice timeline where things do go wrong initially, but get fixed far quicker than they did in the OG.
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS mostly because lex didn't even show up and wonder woman wasn't an asshole.
I like Mr. Terrific, but Flash should have gotten the chess scene. Like he had in the comics.
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS still shtty movie
9:44 the thing is. It's not Batman's job to kill but actually the governments decision to lock him up every time instead of doing electric chair once.
Huh... I've always thought the whole arguement of "batman should kill because (example here)" was stupid but this put it in a whole new light.
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Not to mention there are how many dirty cops in gotham and how many anti heros that would be perfectly fine killing him
There are SOOO many people who could kill the joker besides batman
This excuse is so dumb to me. It’s also not his job to run around stopping villains at night 💀
@@JustGre3donce the supervillains like ivy and clayface start showing up he kinda has to the GCPD can’t stop them most of the time
"Somebody's getting their brain flossed!"
"Deadwing" is the Injustice's version of "Deadman" who is a legitimate spirit hero in DC Comics. In the comics, Deadman was once an acrobat known as Boston Brand before he was shot mid flying trapeze act. The Goddess of Balance and Karma, Rama Kushna, help him bring his killer to justice but also kept him around to help with other conflicts, aiding others such as Batman, the Spectre, and Justice League Dark.
When you eventually watch the first of the 16 Justice League Animated Movie Universe films that starts with "Justice League: Flashpoint Paradox," you will see Deadman in action when you get to the "Justice League Dark" film (which is in the exact middle of that franchise).
Damian is like that because he was initially raised by Ra's and Talia. Damian never even got to meet his Father, Batman, until he was about 10. And by that point he had had a decade's worth of indoctrination and almost as much assassin training (I'm pretty sure Ra's started training Damian as young as like 3 or 4).
The black guy in the tower was Mr Terrific, a legacy hero who is kinda like a mentally well adjusted and self-made Batman. He usually hangs in the tower because he recognizes as a "normal" human he's most valuable coordinating the rest of the league.
He's also like the canonically smartest man in DC. With Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne just behind him.
He's also an accomplished Olympic athlete.
something alot of people miss when talking about injustice is that you arent supposed to agree with superman.
Sure. Not SUPPOSED to. Whether or not THAT message is right or wrong is debatable. I can't think of a single moral reason to let Joker live. Sanity or not, how many lives must one person take before a line can be drawn? Kill 1 man and save millions, or let millions die to fail and fail and fail again to save 1 man who keeps taking even more lives? Batman's got good points, but every rare occasion an exception needs to be made.
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS
That's the instigating event. Not the whole story. You're not supposed to agree with superman *in the rest of it.* You know, the part where he asserts himself as the arbiter of morality, kills a nightclub full of teens because a few of them were cringe, and is directly responsible for multiple of his friends' deaths?
But also superman was absolutely wrong in killing the Joker. Not because the Joker shouldn't be killed (I have more complicated thoughts on that topic) but because he did it out of rage/grief.
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS not even superman agrees with himself on the comics by how things go on his "dream" about his imaginary daughter telling him to not be an asshole
Lol people miss this???
Something that doesn't get touched on enough in a lot of these movies is that Batman's villains do sometimes get rehabilitated. Most are a victim in some way, suffer from mental illness and/or trauma, or have good intentions, so while locking them up may seem like a light punishment, the comics and some of the cartoons will show some of them trying to get better, and like humans, sometimes they make mistakes in that process or regress, but many do successfully become citizens again. Obviously, some like Joker have no chance of rehabilitating, but that's an exception to the general rule.
Its even more noticeable with the Flash who tries to be friends with everyone. I believe it was a justice league unlimited episode where they're trying to get information out of a criminal. Batman and Orion both go straight to the beat him till he talks approach. Flash stops them, sits down with him, calls him by his real name and notes he's off his meds then talks him into telling them what they want to know and going back to the hospital after finishing his drink with a promise he'll stop by to play darts with him.
Riddler was a detective for a while. IDK if he regressed now.
@nahuel3433 All depends on the run. I saw some panels from a catwoman comic where she, Ivy, Croc, Riddler, and some others rehabilitated, and it showed them in their like 40's or 50's, I think. It was very sweet
Yeah a lot of the villains have good in them but people don’t know that
@@Kuriboh48 Well Harley and Ivy have been anti heroes for a while now. Catwoman too of course. Last I saw Croc on comics was in the recent Ivy run where he just wanted to chill. Not doing much evil. Though maybe he'd take work if it came up? He seemed to be doing decently.
- Check out the Suicide Squad Assault on Arkham movie
- In the game Supes is a straight up villain. He murdered Shazam
Not to sound like I'm on batman side every time but I think sups is supposed to be the villain every time, not the "wrong choice" but obviously not the path to go down and in both game and movie imo felt rushed and like it did everything they could to have people do mental gymnastics to side with superman and sure the first few made sense cuz some sure did think "yeah why didn't they kill joker after the meny crimes he did" then when it comes to killing civilians then people finally go "hmmm maybe superman isn't the good guy" ig ignoring the red flags batman side where pointing out and was eliminated/killing them stop them from stopping sups side from going down the dark path and especially the end "what have I done?" Like what super movie "Martha? Why did you say that name?!?" bs is that? I get it it was rushed and had years of content smothered into one film but Jesus man guess that version of injustice they just pat sups on the back, and they start over n pretend it didn't happen "just don't kill again" ig was the lesson for this superman from other superman
Seconded! It's technically Batman: Assault on Arkham but it's definitely a Suicide Squad movie! It's also the BEST Suicide Squad movie.
@@DCComicsGamereven better than the James gun movie ?
@@bluebellsforever actually imo its close between them but they have tonal differences
both are better than that first DCEU Suicide Squad tho
@@cradodragmire1563 well yeah duh
"Joker was about FREEDOM!"
"He killed 11 million people."
THANK YOU.
Not only everyone died in metropolis,but sadly Beastboy and kid flash died in the explosion as well.
The worst part is a group of the other Teen Titans went up against Superman to stop him and I believe Superboy got fatally injured so they were forced into the phantom zone as there's no time in there and he could be kept alive "until he can be treated" and Cyborg never found out about it just thought they died in the blast as well.
For a great Superman film that shows why he's more interesting when he DOESN'T snap, I'd recommend "Superman VS. The Elite."
2:10 dude this is batman we are talking about. one of the greatest detectives in comic book history.
For a brief rundown, plastic man is basically able to not just shapeshift, but manipulate the very molecules that make up his body. He can stretch and grow to any size and mimic any physical or liquid compound, and full shape his level of density. Hell superman I’m the injustice comics considered him the biggest threat to his regime.
Plus his moleculer mimicry is absolutely perfect. He chooses to have a red and skin colour palet, but can he any colour, therefore mimic ANYTHING.
Ngl, one of the reasons why i love watching you guys, is because you're actually down to try and enjoy things, to have a good time. Because for fans, this is like, BOTTOM OF THE BARREL when it comes to DC films, so seeing you guys actually enjoying the story for what it is, instead of what it isn't (the comics that are adapted here play the story differently), which you've done with alot of other films and shows, is genuinely refreshing and nice to watch.
Kind of a nice reminder that sometimes you just gotta watch a show, instead of trying to see what's wrong with it. You imght end up finding joy in things alot more LOL
Also, for DC, PLEASE. Return of the Joker, you can totally watch it on its own (but obviously hits harder if you watch the material it follows). Otherwise DEFINITELY recommend the New 52 stuff if you wanna go full hard on a serialized movie universe.
I’ve been told that casual fans are much more enjoyable to discuss media with because they won’t treat every writing decision they dislike as a personal insult. These guys are a pretty good example of that, they’re chill
Injustice as a storyline is bottom of the barrel imo (as far as Elseworld stories go) and then this movie made it even worse.
I think DC only has a couple SOLID animated movies from the comics (All Star Superman, Long Halloween, New Frontier) but this movie is just… meh.
I don’t get why they don’t just try to do a 1:1 of an already established storyline. Like the current Crisis trilogy has barely anything to do with the actual Crisis storyline.
Superman fans tend to hate stories like this. The most compelling part of Superman is that he's all-powerful but incorruptible. If this actually happened, Superman would probably kill the Joker but then go live on Oa or some other planet. Evil Superman stories miss the point of his character.
Yet Superman as a character is most interesting when he breaks like this
@@AgntFL Maybe to certain fans. There's a reason his arch-nemesis is Lex Luthor and not someone like Bizaro who can challenge him physically. "What's so Funny about truth Justice, and the American Way" is one of the most beloved Superman stories because it's a great comic that refutes the notion that Superman has to murder to be interesting.
@AgntFL How unique and interesting. A guy born with power who uses it to enforce his will on the world. Never seen that before.
And let's not forget it was done before and better: Kingdom Come. Superman loses Lois and the entire Daily Planet staff in a mass murder commited by the Joker, yet is only when Magog kills the Joker and is publicly supported for it, that Superman steps down as a hero. Superman won't give up for the loss of loved ones, but he could if he feels he failed the society he was meant to guide.
@@vicentematias763 Absotley. Kingdom Come is by far the best evil Superman story, because he doesn't abandon his values so much as he allows them to be corrupted. He's a man failing to live up to his principles instead of a man who deliberately rejects them.
You need to start reacting to the DCAU that starts with Flashpoinylt Paradox (2013) goes into Justice League War (2014) then has a bunch of films before its end with JL Dark Apokolips War (2020)
That's the DCAMU. DCAU is BTAA, BTAS, Justice League, etc.
A short explanation on amazo. He's a super adaptive android that was made using nanotechnologyand can copy the powers fighting style and skills of anyone or anything. There's actually a version of him in justice league unlimited that's practically god. He's broken as fuck.
Injustice is such a great concept for another universe in dc imo because literally no one is safe anyone is up on the table to be the next to die tho I really don't like how in this movie version the kill flash he's very interesting in the games, also f wonder woman in this universe she's the true villain imo
Edit: I completely forgot to mention the whole chess scene with Mr terrific was actually done with flash in the comics and berry doesn't know how to play so he speed learns how to and constantly puts Clark in checkmate it's great
I never understood why people bash batman for not killing Joker as if it isn't the governments job to give him the death penalty. Batman job is to stop him and capture him, y'all handle him and if you don't wanna then don't complain.
Because IF Batman killed him it would save tens of thousands of people. Batman admitted Joker has filled several graveyards worth of bodies and will only keep killing.
It’s totally a failure on Batman.
The fact Batman continues to work with him and even protect him at times is insane. He’s crippled Barbara and sexually assaulted her. Killed one of Bruce’s sons with a crowbar. Constantly murders countless people for fun. And Batman will throw himself into a burning building to save him.
@@wr5488 yeah but he would've become less as a stopping symbol and a hero and a vigilante, he doesn't kll because he'll be seen as a vigilante, though yes batman does take his moral belief way to much, like I'm pretty sure for taking out joker no one would care, but if batman starts taking more villains out he'd be the villain. which is also why batman can't just kll, because he says to himself he'd get used to it and desensitized
@@wr5488 like you're out here dissing him for having morals but let's be honest here you probably won't know what to do
@@wr5488go watch the movie under the red hood , in the last scene when Batman talks to Jason why didn't he killed joker?
@@lightningjadejavier The whole 'Batman will go insane' argument is nonsensical. He has far more training than any soldier in existence and the majority of all of them across all of time don't become mass murdering psychos. News flash, Batman _is_ a vigilante. He takes the law into his own hands, the literal definition of a vigilante. You even acknowledge him as one in the same sentence. As for your second response, there are real life stories of normal, ordinary people forced to share air with people far less evil yet just as dangerous as the Joker, as he is portrayed in this comic/film, and, yes, these real people often try to rid the world of these monsters. So, yes, I along with wr5488 would, in all likelihood, at least attempt to stop this obviously evil plan. Not to mention that we are ordinary people and, again, Batman is the literal number 1 trained person on the planet. No, Bats should not go on a killing spree; but, yes, Bats should realize that the Justice system has completely failed every single one of Joker's victims of which, even without this movie, range into the millions. Just like to point out that there are scenes where Gordon, a law abiding police officer, draws and aims his gun at the Joker in several perfectly legal situations and Batman stops him from shooting the clown because iT's ThE wRoNg ThInG tO dO!
Batman is probably my favorite DC hero, but he is also the biggest joke of all of them. Even original Batman would kill the likes of Joker.
Oh, if you guys think that Plastic Man is a dumb name, you clearly aren't ready for my goat, Elongated Man
Not talking about Absorbing Man that in italian is translated in "Uomo Assorbente" that could even mean "Pad/Tampon Man"
Even if you look at some of the villains, their names are a bit dumber.
Like Captain Boomerang
Zebra Man
And of course
The weirdest of all
Egghead
Or Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.
Or Doctor Light.
Just wait until you get into the Legion of Superheroes, and their extended universe. I can only think of the Ambush Bug comic where Red Kryptonite causes him to switch minds with Superman, so Supes/Bug starts trying to negotiate a better deal with DC comics (he's a 4th wall-breaking character). The exec he's talking to starts pushing back and Bug's like:
"No, I don't know how many there are in the Legion of Superheroes!... No, don't list them!... I..... Matter Eater Lad???"
In the Injustice comics Damian hits Dick's head that doesn't kill him his neck falling on a rock after does.Dick's neck fell on The rock Snapping his neck kills him. 21:44
I read something that said if Plastic Man had different morals and was a bad guy he'd be the most dangerous person on the Justice League.
no he wouldn't you have extremly powerful magic users on the JL like constantine, zatanna and Dr. fate that could kill him in seconds and most green lanterns in the JL can easily beat him but he's definitely one of the top heroes. probably top 10
@@Mr.Rabot6688 Its not just power though he is very hard to kill and can change his form to look like someone else. I doubt he could kill someone like superman but heroes lower on the power tier would be very vulnerable to him. I think it was firefly he killed but going inside him the reforming and tearing him apart.
@@Senkoau I'm not downplaying hence why I said he beats most league members but the really high tier he loses to. The ones i don't see him beating are Hal, John Stewart, Kyle Raynor, Zatanna,Constantine, Dr. Fate ,Superman, Wally West,Shazam,
Plastic Man would be a threat but he’s not like Superman/Flash/Lantern levels. Like, Plastic Man can’t blow up a city in a hit. Other guys can (and have) take out universes.
Plastic Man’s most dangerous attribute is durability, physical attacks don’t really work. But someone like Superman could freeze him or atomize him.
In the games, Wonder Woman was the true villain. She took advantage of Superman being in a bad situation and molded him into a tyrant.
the games are sexist af tbh, she doesn't have a reason she just does it
@@wendellaraujo7203 How is her doing that sexist? She does it because that is the way she thinks in this universe. Are women not allowed to be villains or fallen heroes anymore.
"Never make a decision when you're mad make a promise when you're happy." That's exactly what been needin to hear. Smart man boom
Ok so that Mr Terrific guns debate was between Flash and Superman in the comics. Flash fans were kinda pisses about how he was treated in this adaptation, considering his role in the game and comics
In the comic when Nightwing died even the villains stopped fighting out of respect/fear.
If Nightwing was dropped into a 100 foot deep pit of raw sewage, it still wouldn't have done him dirtier than in Injustice, either the comic or the movie.
The only thing imprecise about this is that Superman is portrayed as being invincible, when this is not true, many justice league characters can easily match and even surpass him
WW for example, she killed him many times in the comics, Batman itself described her as "a female Superman with no known kryptonite"
Nobody in the justice league can handle Superman without kryptonite stop spouting nonsense
@@liladonn5646 you have never picked up a comic book and it shows there are very few justice league characters who can go toe to toe with superman and wonder women is included she’s killed/defeated him many times
@@liladonn5646 If you actually believe that So you've never picked up a comic in your entire life
WW strength equals and, in some cases, surpasses Superman's, she has already fought on equal terms with him in the comics in battles that destroyed entire planets, She slit his throat using her tiara and ripped his spine out with her bare hands, not only that but her weapons are magical itens, and magic is very efetive against Superman; her sword can cut through atoms, so It would cut through his skin like nothing
Batman also said that, although he had contingency plans for all members of the league, Wonder Woman's was by far the most complicated one
Besides, Superman isn't weak just to Kryptonite, He is also vulnerable to magic and telepathy (basically, both things affect him the same way they would a normal human, meaning that telepathic attacks and spells can weaken and even kill him with considerable ease)
Not only she can defeat him, but also Shazam (his lightning is a magical attack), Black Adam (same thing), Doomsday (he can adapt to anything that killed him, and Superman killed him A LOT, so he's the perfect weapon to kill him), Firestorm (he can manipulate matter at atomic level, If he wanted to he could just create a mountain of Kryptonite and kill Superman with it), Captain Atom (he can stop time and manipulate matter just like Firestorm, plus he is as Strong, fast and durable as Superman), Starfire (Non-solar radiation is very effective against Superman, as it reaches the cellular level, and she can generate radioactive explosions many times stronger than a nuke) Raven (she's considered the most powerful magic user in DC comics, sometimes even more than Constantine; her spells are so strong she can kill human beings with a thought, and as I said before, Kryptonians are as vulnerable to magic as humans beings) and many more characters
Superman is strong, there's no doubt about that, but Injustice portrays him as being the strongest being in the entire world, which is just NOT TRUE
@@liladonn5646 tell that to Wonder Woman and the huge winning streak she has against Superman in the comics.
Superman isnt even in the Top 20 when looking at the most powerful DC Heroes.
@@daydreamer6288 superman written to full power cannot be stopped by any league memebers. wonderwoman isnt even as strong as supergirl let alone clark. superman accomplished feats in comics read like fanfiction.
You guys should watch young justice its a really good show and you guys would definitely like it
31:36 That's a pretty good summary of all those "[Villain X] was RIGHT!" videos, where some mental rutabaga tries to claim that a psychotic mass-murderer is "right" because they have a point about something.
Newsflash for those people: Having a point doesn't mean you're right; it just means you have a point! You can still be 100% wrong in your conclusions and actions!
my sin as a comic book fan is i actually really enjoyed the injustice 2 comics, but only because i thought what they did with ted kord, jaime reyes, and booster gold was really interesting.
Next movie would recommend is Superman vs The Elite as it shows why Superman and his ideals are important and what makes him still relevant to this day
Superman Vs The Elite is possibly the most underrated DC movie. It's fantastic.
Yeah, Batman punching that pillar till his hands bled, the tears and the weeping kills me inside each time I see it.
Nightwing's death was more gruesome in the comic, Damian threw the baton, it hit Nightwing like it did here, but then Nightwing fell and broke his neck on an upturned section of floor tile.
Yeah, there are ALOT of different realities in DC. 💜 Some good, some bad, some absolutely devastating.
In Multiversity a universe of vampires invaded another universe. The vampire Justice League were bloodthirsty conquerors. They open the portal to the new universe to conquer… and it’s basically Hell on Earth. Vampires get obliterated. Demon Superman is basically Clark with Etrigan in him. Was hilarious.
Demonic Zatanna annihilates their whole civilization by casting a spell making the vampires only crave coffee. Vampires not drinking blood aren’t gonna last too long.
Kinda crazy how many different universe there are but that’s my favorite example. A scary dangerous universe thinking it’s tough then meeting something far far worse. That being said I’m pretty sure the Demon Justice League is good.
I like how the movie establishes that Superman killing Joker was, however justified, spur of the moment, and how when he realizes what he's done he's visibility shocked/horrified.
You guys should really react to the story mode for both games.
The story of the movie and the game are similar yet different in many ways from each other.
Most people preferred the games storyline.
The comics are also pretty amazing and adds a lot of additional context for the conflict.
Fun Fact:
-Batman in this was voiced by Anson Mount who plays Captain Christopher Pike in ‘Star Trek’ Strange New Worlds’.
-Batman in *’Under The Red Hood’* was voiced by Bruce Greenwood who plays Captain Christopher Pike in ‘Star Trek (2009)’ and ‘Star Trek: Into Darkness’.
Joker kills millions of people
Batman: Put him in the same prison he escaped from thousands of times
World’s greatest detective 😂
Blame the government for not giving the death sentence.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Killing Joker would not be heroic. It proves him right if anything.
Not Batman's fault. He doesn't control the court
@@mysticdigital5936I’m pretty killing the Joker would save millions of lives by bey Batman’s a dumbass
The way to start reading comics is to just choose a character/group that seems interesting and then either searching on google good starting points or just reading one-offs / independent stories, like Superman Red Son or Batman White Knight, which are separate stories kinda like these movies
Yeah people make it harder than it actually is. Especially with marvel unlimited and dc infinite it's really not that hard. It's like when I watch general hospital after not watching it for a few years I just start watching it again it's not hard, Especially with the internet now.
what I think is the most interesting aspect of this storyline is that Superman begins his rule preaching about ending conflits and stoping bloodshed, but slowly turns into a tyrant dictator, opressing and hunting his oposition and becomes the very source of conflits and bloodshed. He embodies the phrase "You either die a hero or live long enough and become a vilan"
Damian was raised by Tali and the League of Assassins and didn’t know Bruce until he was 10 (can vary based on the story) which definitely explains him haha
i’m sure you guys know this already but certain movies and films are stand alone and some have their own continuity they’re a part of. any outside of a main canon you can call an “Elseworlds”
"is that supermans dad? He looks like him, but older" are you forgetting that superman is adopted 😂
Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox July 30, 2013
Justice League: War February 4, 2014
Son of Batman April 22, 2014
Justice League: Throne of Atlantis January 13, 2015
Batman vs. Robin April 7, 2015 Jay Oliva
Batman: Bad Blood January 20, 2016
Justice League vs. Teen Titans March 29, 2016
Justice League Dark January 24, 2017
Teen Titans: The Judas Contract April 4, 2017
Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay March 27, 2018
The Death of Superman July 24, 2018
Constantine: City of Demons - The Movie[8] October 9, 2018
Reign of the Supermen January 29, 2019
Batman: Hush July 20, 2019
Wonder Woman: Bloodlines October 5, 2019
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War May 5, 2020
Second group, the "Tomorrowverse" (2020-2024)
Superman: Man of Tomorrow August 23, 2020
Justice Society: World War II April 27, 2021
Batman: The Long Halloween - Part One June 22, 2021
Batman: The Long Halloween - Part Two July 27, 2021
Legion of Super-Heroes February 7, 2023
Justice League: Warworld July 25, 2023
Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part One January 9, 2024
Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part Two April 23, 2024
Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part Three Q24
Plastic Man can shape shift, has complete control over his physiology, can control his density, his elasticity, and his strength. He can make his body as flexible as a rubber band or as hard as a rock, he can make himself as large as he wants, and he can add more muscles to his physique thereby making himself exponentially strong. Additionally, Plastic Man boasts invulnerability, the ability to regenerate any body part, and an immunity to telepathy, making him a very formidable adversary. Plastic Man was incapacitated in the JLA story arc "Tower of Babel" when mercenaries froze and shattered his body. Once thawed and reassembled, he was physically unharmed. Batman had said that out of all the superheroes, Plastic Man is the strongest one. He just hide it behind his goofy personality.😊
Fun fact, yuri lowenthal voices the flash in this movie :)
Why watch this among all the DC animated films? I mean if anything, especially with y'all lack of DC knowledge would have been great to start from the beginning like the 2000s. But at least y'all watched JL Doom. That was great.
Hell was this in a poll vote?
25:17, if I’m not mistaken. Batman was drugged(not himself) when that happened.
YAAAAA I was not expecting this! The woman in the mirror was raven.
Alright Boom I shan’t tolerate your Superman slander any longer so here’s my proposition; watch Superman vs. the Elite, it’s an animated movie from the 2000’s it’s like barely an hour long but I think it should at the very least understand why people will defend Superman so much, you don’t even have to watch it on the channel
I think you guys would love Flashpoint: Paradox! It's one of their best works and I genuinely believe it still stands up to this day.
You guys should watch the New 52 universe which starts with Justice League: Flashpoint Paradox the continued by Justice League: War, Son of Batman, Justice League: Throne of Atlantis, Batman vs. Robin, Batman: Bad Blood, Justice League vs. Teen Titans, Justice League Dark, Teen Titans: The Judas Contract, Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, The Death of Superman, Constantine: City of Demons, Reign of the Supermen, Batman: Hush, Wonder Woman: Bloodlines, Justice League Dark: Apokolips War, and ends with Constantine: House of Mystery
After that you should watch the tomorrowverse which is connected to the new 52 it starts with Superman: Man of Tomorrow then is followed by Justice Society: World War II, Batman: The Long Halloween - Part One, Batman: The Long Halloween - Part Two, Green Lantern: Beware My Power, Legion of Super-Heroes and Justice League: Warworld then will end with Crisis on Infinite Earths Trilogy.
Damien isn’t a psycho he was just raised from infancy to take over the league of assassins. Batman didn’t know about his son growing up but when he eventually gets Damien he works on teaching him not to kill.
Two things that angered me about Batman in this movie is he gives murders so many chances to be redeemed but disowns Damian after he accidentally killed nightwing.
And the fact that he has contingencies for his allies but not enemies, seriously killer croc even said that’s messed up and he’s a cannibal.
And Batman’s side didn’t help matters, instead of being there for Superman and being the shoulder to lean on they kept alienating him, like mister terrific saying that it would go to killing smokers when Superman proposed banning guns. Superman had reasonable goals but Batman’s side kept blowing it out of proportion
my biggest criticism of that movie (but far from the only one) is how they dirty they did flash
I get that he is completely OP and an idealist that would stand up to Sup' but they should've found another way to put him out of commission
I think they did the GL Corp dirty, too, tbh. I don't think that the writers of the comic really understand how the rings work and that "just take them off the GL" isn't that easy. Either that, or they had to ignore a lot to make the story work, which is arguable on a lot of fronts for different characters and how they work/react.
"No that's a punchline."
You know I get that Bruce is 1 step away from being driven to madness if he resort to killing, but I could not for the life of me understand that why he never ask Jason to do it when Jason doesn't seem to be as prone to losing himself
Damin Batman's son was raised for most of his life by The League of Assassins or League of Shadows. Basically Ras Al Ghoul's Ninja organization.
I hated they alloed Harley to live and get away with what she did. She knew what joker was going to do and went along with it. I didn't like she gets of scott free
Me too dude, she got a pass when she was just as responsible as the joker and had the nerve to treat supes like he's the criminal.
Damian Wayne was raised by the League of assassins and the ras-al-gul and was born and raised to b a assassin to get his history watch ( son of Batman) also crazy AF
The flash TV is ridiculously inconsistent but because as obvious comics prove how fast because it's it origin. Flash can save everyone before a bomb hits and the shockwave begins saving all 9 million people or so far and safe.
25:12 - In the comics, Talia drugged Batman and got herself pregnant. He had no idea about Damian until she came to town and dumped him on his metaphorical doorstep. The intent was for the kid to be Ra’s heir since Bruce kept refusing, plus he’d so run interference with so Talia’s plan at the time could go off without a hitch. Ultimately, Bruce accepted Damian in spite of several missteps on the kid’s part and he became Robin, first working under Dick Grayson who’d become Batman.
I really hope you guys watch Superman vs the Elite or the show My Adventures with Superman. They're some of the few adaptations that give Clark depth without turning him into a villain. The first Reeve movie is great, but the sequels are kind of a mess. And the Henry Cavill ones he spends too much time in the passenger seat not progressing the plot IMO.
I am fully on board with them watching Superman vs the Elite.
Would’ve had a better time just watching the cutscenes from the game stitched together
Or just watching the Comicstorian video
DC do have a strange habit of doing 'what if the nicest heroes turn bad?' storylines, and given how long Supes has been around he is an easy target. Brought over the edge by the Joker, Injustice is the usual avenue for evil dictator Superman, being the comic event, this movie and a fighter game franchise.
I mean Clark is actually a solid dad, the current comics had him mentor his son Jonathon a lot, until he had to go off-planet, then he left his tutelage in the hands of Nightwing, who also did a great job btw. Jon is like Damian's best friend too so it's like 'our dads are friends so we're basically brothers'.
If Flash pushes himself he can run faster than time itself, the power that enables his super speed is the Speed Force, so he can go back in time with it, but there's often a big butterfly effect. Also, every 'speedster' shares the Speed Force, so its availability can get divided.
Green Lantern can do anything he can will himself to do, the limits of the ring are often based on his mindset, and mostly the bylaws of the Green Lantern Oath but enough willpower can even supersede that
Yes, it is Plastic Man, he is surprisingly powerful given his comic relief and pervy anime guy kinda personality.
They did kill off Dick similarly in the comics, there was rubble there to break his neck but it was still rather weak, the level-headed need to be killed off quickly and if Dick isn't evil (or shot in the head to become an amnesiac but we don't talk about Ric) he's often swatted aside, Hawkman also gets clowned a lot, which is a shame because he's kinda a badass. Turning him into an iteration of Deadman (a ghost hero who similarly to Dick was a circus performer) I think was for the movie only.
Talia was still active when Damian was left with Bruce, it's just that for much of his childhood until then Bruce didn't know he had a son.
26:53 this, is Mister Terrific, specifically the second iteration - Michael Holt. Canonically the third smartest man on Earth. Super intelligent, practically a natural in everything he tries, and a very impressive inventor.
A bright spot for Injustice is that it did really push on Harley Quinn as an antihero, her comedy and charisma did help guide her into being a more independent character too.
31:48 it sounds nuts but, consider human history...
I think with Wonder Woman it's more her culture; she's an Amazon, they're a nation of warriors, she's not squeamish to killing an enemy so long as there's justification. And she believed Superman to be indelible, incorruptible, until he wasn't.
I enjoyed Smallville, it has its iffy parts (and more uncomfortable moments under the context of the Allison Mack stuff) but it was solid and went its own direction, so many good actors hidden in there too. Michael Rosenbaum as Lex is fantastic, and John Glover as Lionel is also awesome.
AMAZO is often like that, Under the Red Hood did tone him down a lot but once he gets a chain of powers going he becomes harder to beat.
Plastic Man's biggest factor is he is mostly immortal. He can be burned, melted, frozen, powdered, etc, and can still reform/regenerate. His cellular structure is something even DC science; Living Plastic, inorganic but still alive.
You guys should react to young justice and JLA
That’s Mr. Terrific.
One of the world’s three smartest men.
In the original comic, it was actually Flash who argued with Superman.
Also to add this other melt batman code helps him from crossing that line. Because he even realizes that the danger of him crossing it. Maybe it's the joker today tomorrow it's penguin. Next it's a kid who Jay walks on accident. Next is a drunk driver who accidentally ramped up into somebody. Next maybe it may be catwoman. Maybe he might say his justice should be a law. And try to go after others who don't agree. It's just like in the red hood movie it would be too easy. Then it would be to normalize for him to do it. Batman symbol for vengeance return to a symbol of murder. People won't remember Batman as the hero. Difficult down that line he will be remembered as the psychopath. Another killer and a sea of killers that live in gotham. Not killing these villains also has the benefit of him trying to help rehabilitate them. Some of them can be helped you have to find the ones who are willing to accept it. Killing everybody out there won't help. All it does is create the circle of violence. Of murder brutality all over. It won't help anybody. It probably would just make things worse.
Fun fact, Jimmy Olson (the kid who was shot through the camera by joker, was voiced by Zach Callison who also voiced Steven Universe!!!
Love Injustice, only negative I can give it is pacing, but otherwise, lovely.
The pacing seems fine?
A lot of plot points from the comics and games had to be rushed or cut to make it fit into a single movie. There was at least 5 seasons worth of content, if they'd bothered.
Honestly never a fan of Injustice. This movie isn't bad, but it just shows how far out of character you have to make Clark to be like this. It's Zack Snyder level writing and Diana acts weirdly cold as well.
It was cool to see Catwoman and Huntress as well as Harley and Green Arrow. Damien being here is neat, but his design looks rough compared to other versions. Loved that his big brother forgave him for being incredibly stupid and killing him.
Yeah, of all of the "evil Superman" stories we've got floating around nowadays, Injustice is definitely the weakest. It just removes all the interesting and fun parts of Superman and turns him into Super Dictator. Not to mention all the character assassination for everyone else; Wonder Woman is unrecognisable for example.
It's fine as a concept for a fighting game, which is what it started as. But as a fleshed out storyline it really starts to fall flat.
Read the Injustice comics - they do a much better job of depicting Superman's gradual transformation into a tyrannical dictator. And adds a lot more context for the entire conflict.
@@LadyDoomsinger The comic is even worse, everyone that isn't portayed being 100% down with the regime are made into spineless cowards and ok with imprisoning/killing other heroes until Supes kills Billy. Glad that they spared Barry and Hal having their characters assassinated in this adaptation. They also made Dick not useless and help redeem Damien in the end.
DCAU Movies to watch in order:
Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox (2013)
Justice League: War (2014)
Son of Batman (2014)
Justice League: Throne of Atlantis (2015)
Batman vs. Robin (2015)
Batman: Bad Blood (2016)
Justice League vs. Teen Titans (2016)
Justice League Dark (2017)
Teen Titans: The Judas Contract (2017)
Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay (2018)
The Death of Superman (2018)
Constantine: City of Demons (2018)
Reign of the Supermen (2019)
Batman: Hush (2019)
Wonder Woman: Bloodlines (2019)
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War (2020)
33:08 One of the most savage comebacks from Plastic Man. I like that while he's mocking Cyborg he's also flipping him off.
Gonna be honest, they butchered this compared to the games and comics. They somehow managed to have BATMAN come off as more of a villain than Superman!
What I hate about Injustice that it made people think that "Evil Superman" is a "cool idea" when it's not, there's a better trope in both Ultra-Man and maybe Lord Superman but not Injustice and that's because they're not "Evil Supermen" but they represent the opposite of what Clark stands for, the worst of humanity while Superman represents the best of us. This dude had the great teachings of the Kents but still decided to go all batshit after Lois died and Metropolis went up. Superman is supposed to be the beacon of Hope and he would've stood tall and and try his damned hardest to make everything better. Sure, it would've been hard at first, really hard but he still would've pulled through because that's the man he is, even in moments of adversity, he'll still that light that guides people to a better tomorrow.
@jagmek3418 The 2010’s was a real bad decade for Supes. Thankfully My adventures with Superman and Superman and Lois have done a good job bringing the public’s eye back to the humanity of this character. Hopefully James Gunn’s Superman film will follow behind that.
I'd say even Red Son tackles the "Cool" ideas that Injustice offers in a much better way
@@DmanDmythDlegend I am grateful that those shows exists, more so Superman & Lois.
Flash: *dies at the beginning and us never seen again*
Everyone else: *"So anyways..."*
wonder woman is a warrior first and a hero by training afterward. by her training threats are killed to protect your home. when wonder woman has as threat to her home its ares, hades, heracules, circe, or worse. these arent opponents you can jail . sometimes you cant even kill them.
also you guys should watch the OG justice league and Justice league unlimited cartoons.
I like this I guess hard core fans didn't.
Could you guys watch transformers the movie 1986
That would be amazinggggggggggg
Plastic-man is kinda OP, he has full control over every cell in his body
Just so you guys know this whole story is elseworlds, like an alternate universe thing, so it has never been canon to the main universe of the comics. So Superman never went fully dictator and Joker never nuked metropolis in the main timeline.
NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are so many amazing animated DC films and you choose to watch this?!?! Its easily one of their all time worst.
Eh...if you're the type that played he game or read the comics then yeah it is but as a movie watcher it's actually not the worst.
The worst part of this movie is how they killed he Flash..
@@DJPrimeAmvsI mean I'm of the mind injustice in general is terrible, like one of the worst things DC have ever shat out, but even I can say this movie does it a disservice.
That’s what always bothered me about stuff like this. People treat it as If it isn’t 100% accurate, it’s automatically bad.
They need to watch Superman/Batman apocalypse
And The DCAMU
Wonder Woman with Sinestro one of the main villains of Green lantern turned Superman into a Dictator in The Injustice comics. 34:58
During the Superman mirror match, they referenced the Injustice games by showings his Super Moves from both.
Such a goated movie. I get Injustice fans don’t like it but it’s more than fine, they have Comics and 2 full video games. This movie just took a different but good spin. And maybe they didn’t know if they would be able to make multiple movies on it so they couldn’t just do the different years.
Marvel has some good underrated movies like the Ultimate Avengers 1&2 and Next Avengers Heroes of tomorrow
Someone with a brain in here
Yeah, I don't understand people who put the game/comic's story on a pedestal, maybe if you're new to comics it might be decent, but if you know these characters you know they wouldn't act like this. They might as well be completely different people, like there isn't a big change in their backstories in this universe to justify their extremely different personalities.
Also yes, they should react to some of the Marvel animated movies, I would like to add the Hulk Vs duology, Avengers Confidential, Planet Hulk and Doctor Strange: The Sorcerer Supreme.
this is literally the zack snyder movies version of dc. lets just watch the live action movies
Honestly, I'm not a fan of Snyder's bleak tone in his DC movies - but if there was one storyline he'd be pretty suited for directing, it would be Injustice. It already is a really dark story, and it's meant to approach the whole "superhero question" from a particularly cynical point of view. I can only guess nobody thought to base the "Batman V Superman" movie on a video game, even though it would've been pretty perfect for it.
@@LadyDoomsinger is a bleak world not suppose to look bleak ?
@@LadyDoomsinger i think he does a good job of capturing story with images. cold blue for hopeless , warm yellow for happy. Fight scenes go crazy. Aesthetic shots go nuts, shaky cam for suspense, references to art and imagery... all that does is give the film more rewatch value instead of just putting memes and jokes into a movie and calling it a day.
Plastic man is probably my favorite DC superhero he's just the right amount of goofy for me lol
As a long time fan of you guys and DC I've seen and own all 10 seasons of Smallville and you guys would love it
Honestly, I wasn’t really a fan of this movie or Red Son, I didn’t really like either adaptations. Now, if you’re going to watch some DC Animated movies, I suggest the Flashpoint Paradox. Or watch Justice League Cartoon and Unlimited
Yes! I love Flashpoint Paradox!
The DCAMU would be cool to see. Not all the films are my favorites but some of them are SO good and it's a good way to meet some characters
Bro, the meme's ain't lying
PLASTIC MAN IS OP
He is both liquid and solid at fhe same time, can Shapesift, disguise, can regenerate, IS STRETCHY, AND CAN TAKE ANY KIND OF DAMAGE as in punching like it's not that big of a deal. Aka, Superman's punches
Also from what i get, he can't die, he is immortal
Even his Flashpoint version is brutal
If you want to see another fun take on this, I'd recommend Superman vs. The Elite and Superman: Red Son
Oh, the 2 Injustice games go through this story SO much better than this movie does. But I still enjoy this movie! 💜 Needless to say.....y'all should 100% play the Injustice games.
Essentially i think the moral of the story is that what the joker did was essentially was to have a new opponent but went too far and broke the one person who follows the rules to take those rules to burn them because he technically has the power to do so but chose not to