Would be fascinated to see how much of this is due to the stove and how much due to the pot with heat eachangers. If you could repeat the test using the new stash pot on all 4 stoves would love to see that. As I already have Soto Windmaster, if I bought a stash would I be better off using the stash stove or my existing Soto? Especially as the latter also has wind protection.
If you already have the Windmaster then you have a great stove. This video is not made to say buy a Jetboil. It’s really in response to a lot of uneducated comments on my last video that said the Jetboil was overpriced hype. It’s a great stove system with a premium price. Big difference. But if you already have a Windmaster or pocket rocket, I wouldn’t rush to upgrade as they are great stoves in their own right.
To get a better idea of the actual efficiency of the stove itself you would need to use the same pot and somehow regulate the flame so they all boil at around the same time then measure the amount of gas used. All a bit tricky to do the sort of thing that desperate backpackers might spend a day doing whilst in lock down 😁
@@PaulMessner Yeah - I have Windmaster, Amicus that I use with a Ti pot alot at moment (or did before lockdown) but also have MSR Windburner - fab but heavy, Jetboil Micromo and Minimo - great for cooking at low temps, love the Micromo in particular but not so good in wind and still a little heavy, also have GSI Pinnacle, BRS 3000 and some others - so not spoiled for choice! Just wondering if I should pair a Soto stove (for wind resistance) with a pot with heat exchanger - in which case the pot from the Stash would be a good candidate because I am guessing the Amicus, maybe even the Windburner would slot in the side of the pot just like the original stove... And i like that the pot is a little wider and not so tall as many on the market - much better for eating food from. But it still looks like it would work as a cup if required.
I was actually wondering the same thing. It would be really interesting to see the efficiency with the jetboil pot and other stoves but also the jetboil stove and other pots and see how it compares to the whole system.
That was interesting Paul but every stove review seems to focus on boiling water and how fast it can do it. For the life of me, I don't know who cares about a minute or two longer wait after hiking for say 8 hrs. The one thing no one seems to talk about with stoves is their ability to regulate for cooking fresh food and not just heating water for meal packages. I don't eat the prepared dehydrated food and make my own since they are so damn expensive. After not winning your contest for the Windmaster (I tried really hard LOL) I went and bought it since it simmers so well when cooking in a pan and the large burner distributing the flame over a larger surface area and being able to be dialed down low seems like a winner for what I want it for. For those who want quick boil times and great fuel economy you really did make a good case for the Jetboil.
Just tried the same test with my MSR PR Deluxe and titanium pot. At full power it took 2:12 and used 10g while at half power it took 3:12 and used 6g of fuel.
I had some time to kill this morning, so I did a similar test. Although I was skeptical about the stash, in preparation for an upcoming camping trip, I decided to get one (on sale) after watching your video. I compared the JS to my Soto Amicus/Toaks 750 ml pot combo and boiled 500 ml in my backyard (or garden to you). Result: the JS used 5 g fuel compared to 8 or 12 for the Amicus (depending on valve position). That's 37% better efficiency and 22 boils/110 g canister of fuel. The Amicus gives 14 boils/canister. I didn't measure the time because I don't really care, but the JS was very fast. Note: just for grins, I tried the Amicus stove with the JS pot and got the same result, 5g fuel/500 g water. This means the efficiency is in the pot, not the burner. Cheers!
This is why I love this channel, thoroughness. Thanks for taking the time to do this Paul. Although you say you weren't running a 'lab test' on the burners, I think the results are still very conclusive. All the best.
There is no thoroughness at all, if you think about it. He is comparing four burners of different sizes, each with a different output of gas volume and other parameters. It's like comparing Porsche 911 and Mazda Miata. Both are two door cars, and each has four wheels. That's where the similarities end.
Since most backpackers already have a stove, the question is whether it’s worth it to go out and buy a new jetboil Stash. Based on your video if I was starting fresh I would spring for the jetboil, but I don’t think I’ll shelve my pocket rocket and pot for a new setup for marginal improvement. But I do have to say that if your fuel consumption data is verifiable, the real value is stretching out usefulness of small canister over a multi day trip.
My thought exactly. Having the Soto Windmaster I have just gone on amazon.com & bought the Fire-Maple FMC-XK6 heat-exchanger pot. I want to measure how much fuel it uses compared to the non heat-exchanger pots I'm presently using. I, like everyone else, would like to boil water using as little fuel as possible.
I don't have a stove, since I am just starting out, and for me, I think the jetboil is the best bang for my buck. I still may get the windmaster if the jetboil struggles with weather conditions, but that may be way later when I've used the jetboil for a while. :)
You’re spoiling us Paul. Here I am working through my checklist of things I need for my first wild camp and your putting up helpful videos comparing the things I need to buy. The most helpful channel on TH-cam for wild camping advice etc 👍
I used the jet boil in 2014 in very cold conditions (minus 10 degree), with the optimus gas it was very hard to cook the water. Since then i used the Windmaster and actually the rocket pocket 2 with primus winter gas. It works perfect for me till minus 15 degree. I think the windmaster is a little bit better in windy conditions.
My money was on the Jetboil from the outset. My old Jetboil Flash, 16 years old and still going strong. Just bought a Minimo after watching your other videos and wowed by its performance. It was time to invest in a new one and I've given my ol' flash to my son for his backpacking kit. Looking forward like you to getting out of 4 walls again. Seeing your video's and excellent reviews has been a brilliant and positive boost to us during lockdown. Keep up the excellent work Paul.
Oh gas consumption is of great interest when considering power-out situations or scenarios that might make temporary relocation necessary. Thank you for taking the time out of your day and pounds out of your pocket to test and then share this information. I'm a bit of a dull kid who finally realized I should have certain things ready even if I'm not the head of the house. The experiences of others sure helps me make up for areas where I lack.
Nice Video Paul Thumbs Up from the US. I would put the $16us BRS and The Sterno Inferno Pot $25us (on Amazon) up against the Jetboil. That is an Aluminum heat exchanger pot with like volume to Stash Pot. It comes with stabilizer (edit: doesn't fit all 100g cans so add $3us for stabilizer from Aliexpress) too, $41($44) total. Boil times drop and fuel consumption goes down on BRS stove. I think you would have to get a lot more boils to ever catch that combo. Keep it up! I'll keep watching. Paul I had to run the experiment myself. 2 Cups plus water (500g) at 65°f. Boil time 2:45 (slower of 2 tries, 2:41 first time) and 6g fuel use on both. Save some cash and get a generic pot and use the stove you have. So the magic is the heat exchanger on any pot NOT that stove or pot.
For years I used a burner that fitted to the top of the gas canister, like all the ones you tested. Now I use a Vango burner that sits on the ground with a flexible hose to the canister for 2 reasons: (1) Safety- it's *much* more stable on uneven ground with a pot of hot liquid perched on top, & (2) Efficiency- wind speed is lower closer to the ground & it's easier to use a windbreak (I use some thick aluminium foil). The burner assembly is heavier (215 g vs 100g for top mounted), but will still fit inside my Alpkit 800 ml pan folded down, & can handle a pan 80 - 160 cm dia. I can also use any size of gas canister I want. Your test was good for comparative purposes, but we all know that the wind is the overriding factor for boil times in a real life situation.
This was an exemplary analysis. I was using my old Bleuet but I am sold on the Jetboil. After some visual reviews, I have just bought the Jetboil Micromo to upgrade my kit. Can't wait to try it out.
Never mind the boil speed I’m impressed at the speed you’re getting videos out Paul! Especially considering you’re a camping channel, and we can’t camp - brilliant, so thank you! Think you hit the nail on the head - for the person who camps 2 or 3 times a year in the middle of summer the jet oil probably isn’t worth it, or would take years to be worth it. Whereas a more frequent camper would get the benefit of the outlay. A very comparable situation to walking boots! Just seen that Cotswold have the Stash up for £140, I wonder if it’s a placeholder price or the actual UK cost
That is a great video Paul. I really like your attention to detail and how you compared different parameters. That will have taken a lot of time to do, and I appreciate your focus on the facts. Great job !!
I have the BRS, Soto and Jet Boil. I am a weekend warrior and the thing I love about the BRS is it's just so light. I am in the older side, well into my 60s and weight is massive for me. Fuel consumption is not that big of an issue. I use my half cans on car camping or on canoe trips. If I was a long distance hiker fuel usage would be a big deal. The BSR is also dirt cheap, like 16.00 dollars US.
Paul, absolutely loving your channel and I’ve learned loads!! I’ve been wild camping for 12 years and have very basic kit. Me and my friends have the best time ever though and so I couldn’t be happier lol. You’re videos and open-mindedness are inspiring, meaning you wish to seek out the truth rather than believe you know it all. You will amass so many more subscribers as it’s like watching a good mate do his thing. Ive lived in Cambridge For 7 years but from up north originally, I miss living so close to the Lake District and such!!
Hi Paul, some surprising results. To give a more accurate impression of the fuel consumption/boil time it would be interesting to see the results if you used the stash pot for all the stoves. Thanks for the effort you put into your videos.
You give the people what they want, and still they're demanding more.....and that's just in the few comments I did read. I think the Jetboil Stash proved to be the best of the 4 here in terms of boil time, weight, fuel consumption and long-term value. Initial outlay is expensive against these others, but the saying "buy cheap, buy twice" is the most apprpriate here, I think. Congrats Jetboil, and THANK YOU Mr. Messner.
I still run my old Campingaz Turbo 270. It fits in my GSI 1.1l pot with one of its canisters and stand. Yeah, it's 270g but it boils 500ml in 2:25 and consumed 10g of fuel. I have plenty of canisters(cleared out a sporting goods store at their going-out-of-business sale) I also have the matching Bivouac lantern. I'll eventually change out, but relish a bit of nostalgia along the way. 🏕
Better is very subjective. Do you mean which is faster, or which is more efficient? Firstly, you need to use the same pot for all the tests. Secondly, it's not comparable in terms of cost to balance a Ti pot against an Aluminium pot. Thirdly, the 'other' canister top stoves when not paired with a flux-ring pot, are way, way way more efficient when turned right down to medium-low power. Sure it takes 5 minutes to boil 450 ml, but they can all do it around on similar gas consumption to the JB. Basically the JB's flux ring pot makes it fast AND efficient, whereas with other regular setups, you can have fast or efficient, but not both.
Good follow up and making a point of the overall costs of setup. One of the main reasons I treated myself to the flash was the full component breakdown and the fact every essential was included.
Hello Paul I can't come to the same conclusion as the pot has been changed for the jetboil. I'd be interested to know what the consumption of all the burners is with the jetboil pot. Best regards André
I have been looking to buy a new stove, and having watched this and if I am honest all of your videos over the last two or three months I took the plunge today and ordered the msr pocket rocket 2 with cook set. For the price and it's size I believe I got a deal on a good stove. Thanks for the videos and test. Hope to see you with 100k subs soon.
Definitely not boring and appreciate you taking the time to do this test. For me, I'd much rather an efficient stove, especially if it comes as a kit, so the Jetboil is a winner for me. Yes, the initial outlay is high, however it's designed to work together efficiently, while buying individuall items to build a similar kit may be cheaper it may mean it becomes more of a hit and miss approach. So potentially you'll end up spending more by the time you're happy with your setup. But like all things, everyone should do their research to decide what's best for them. Be it weight saving, longevity, quality, cost, looks, etc. For me, I don't always go for the most expensive items, however after doing my researching and if there is compelling evidence that shows it's most likely the better or best option, then I don't have an issue paying the price for it. At least then I can back up my decision rather than say, "Oh it was the most expensive one, so it's gotta be the best... right?" Thanks for another great video Paul.
Excellent video Paul, you've literally "stirred the pot" in the minds of your subscribers. I, like many others, are hoping/pleading for you to measure the fuel efficiency of all 4 stoves when using the same heat exchanger type of pot. I'm thinking it is the heat-exchanger pot that is THE reason that resulted in the Stash system using only 5gr of fuel, not necessarily the stove. Or use a non heat-exchanger type of pot with the Jetboil Stove. I'm certain the difference in fuel usage is because of the pot, not the stove.
nice article Paul esp for a chilling Sunday afternoon - old saying is you get what you pay for. had my jetboil for years. Still going strong, very versatile, reliable and I love them! Keep up the good work sir - hope you're keeping well and coping OK.
I have the MSR and I really pleased with it. I have been interested in the Jetboil for some time now. Thanks for the Video. First time poster here, been following you for about a year now. Love all your content.
Hi Paul, Great review, but don’t underestimate the difference in area between the two pot bases. The Stash at 130mm diameter has 69% more surface area the the Alpkit 650 at 103mm diameter. That’s a huge advantage.
I dont normally comment but what a great video. I love techy stats from normal person functikn tests like that. Really intresting to see how much better that stash is. I could see in your face the calculations adding up to a great stove over time. Great video, wish some how you could do videos like that for other gear too.
Thanks Paul an interesting video, the small savings on one product verses another do add up over time but I guess for most people its not overly important, its more about the quality of the product and how its going to perform and last, the old adage comes to mind, buy cheap buy twice!
I love these stoves, Paul. I purchased a cheap $15.00 stove with a piezo lighter from China and a 900 ml Kathmandu pot with lid, handle and soft cover which also has the heating fins on it as well for $50.00 (half price) what a bargain lol they work beautifully together. Once again mate, what a great review. Cheers from Down Under.
I'd be interested in how the results differ when using the same pot for all of them. Maybe the difference between boil times and gas used would be more similar if they all used the same pot?
While it would be an interesting test to hold more variables constant, I think the review Paul did is more about comparing the cooking systems as they would likely be used in the real world. Nobody is going to use a jetboil pot with a pocketrocket stove - so why test that combo? The test he performed is interesting and useful - but maybe should be more accurately titled something like 'JetBoil Stash vs your current cooking rig'.
Agreed. Hopefully, Paul will do a follow-up video & determine the amount of fuel used using the same Jetboil Stash pot with each of the 4 different stoves.
@@theom7476 Thanks for the "Heads UP"; just finished watching it. That video confirms what I was thinking. That it is the heat exchanger pot that is the reason for low boil times, NOT the Stove.
Important to remember that the PocketRocket and the Windmaster have regulators, so when the fuel canister gets emptier, performance on those stoves will be more consistent. I wonder if using the PR2 or the Windmaster and pot with a heat exchanger might get close to the Jetboil's performance. Would be great to see a boil for each stove using the Jetboil pot.
Only the Windmaster has a regulator, not the Pocket Rocket. The Pocket Rocket Deluxe has a regulator. I suspect under field use the regulator will be more relevant in colder weather and higher altitude. It would be interesting to see performance in wind with the Jetboil Stash.
i once tried my jetboil flash with a PR2 and got equally good boiling times. The PR2 burner has a narrow fire beam and it disperses once it hits the pot, making the flow of heat very, very compatible with a Flash pot's flux ring. Been trying stuff to make the Flash more versatile. I love it more now i've got the pot adapter.
I, too, have the Windmaster & am thinking a pot with a heat exchanger like the Fire-Maple FMC-XK6 heat-exchanger pot would reduce the time & fuel usage of the Windmaster to something closer to the 5grams of fuel used by the Jetboil Stash cook system (stove/pot).
Excellent review. Decided to buy the Jetboil coming from a Coleman propane stove for ice and shore fishing, camping, etc. The fuel cost (efficiency) comparison was very helpful in making a decision. Now...that price tag, lol... the fuel is not cheap on Amazon, either, so I hope I can find some cheaper locally. People here are still pretty old school. 20 boils with the smallest can is very reasonable, and I'll note that the smallest can packs down inside the kit, while the larger ones do not (Read Amazon reviews)
Main criticism: I think you should have compared effect of the jet boil pot and the tungsten pot on all four stoves. I'm pretty sure it would have been the pot itself that was the most significant factor in boil times and gas usage.
yeah, if something like the BRS take twice the fuel as the Jetboil, WHILE still producing a pure blue flame it mean the fuel is fully combusted, but you are wasting it.
I think in fairness to Paul, he was only trying to demonstrate the difference between the jetboil and other systems. The jetboil comes with the flux ring pot, the others don't and most people using any of the other stoves with their standard pots will now have a clearer idea as to the proformance difference between the jetboil and their own setups. Unquestionably the flux ring gives a competitive edge to boil time. The fuel used will be effected mainly by the btu output of the individual stoves.
@@lincolndave1966able thats the thing. it mainly come down to the pot and the flame contact to the pot. comparing the jetboil with its own special pot vs other stove with a random pot is very biased, even more coming from someone paid by jetboil.
@@Francois_Dupont I think your being a bit unfair, I'm not sure Paul is paid by jetboil, if you look over previous videos where he was choosing his favourite stove out of his collection of stoves, he chose his trangia over his jetboil. That would indicate he is under no paid obligation to 'big up' jetboil over other brands.
@@Francois_Dupont he is comparing what you get for the price paid not just the stove or pot itself. It's not biased if you get that jetboil with a pot. I am sure if you upgrade the other pot for the rest it will cost more.
Thanks for taking the time to compare the stoves. The short boil time & small gas consumption of the jetboil are impressive, I do wonder though what would happen if you added some wind to the setup (ventilator). Probably nothing too dramatic, since the flux ring will still catch some of that escaping heat. Let's wait and see what Ernie from PaleoHikerMD's test results are like!
Another fantastic video and it couldn't have come at a better time. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on one of these and it's really helped me make my mind up. Cheers again!
My soto , kit (not the wind master) but with a wind blocking rim on the burner, cost $49 US on sale and came with 2 pots. 2 cups and 4 cups. Boils 2 c water in 2 minutes. I did not test fuel efficiency but using it for a total of 6 mins a day, my 8 oz cannister lasted 2 1/2 weeks. I like my meals cooked, not just hydrated. I fixed morning oatmeal and coffee, evening meal and hot drink. For a tiny bit of fuel savings and a tiny bit of lessened cooking time I would not spend more money.
Or a Soto Windmaster with any heat exchanger type of pot, say the Fire-Maple FMC-XK6 heat-exchanger pot. I've just ordered that pot & am anxious to see how much less fuel my Windmaster uses with a heat-exchanger type of pot.
Been watching these stove reviews It's odd isn't it i , still carry a trangia alcohol stove and a crusader cook system Mk1 in a crusader MK2 little bag , flint and steel , cheap as and long lasting , everything you need really But i like watching these reviews
I love this video, really appreciate it, well done. You did a great job of showing that over time, the JetBoil is more cost effective than the BRS stove. I used your numbers and figured out what it would cost me to boil two cups of water for a Mountain House meal with each: BRS 3000T US$0.47 Jetboil Stash US$0.21 Soto Windmaster US$0.51 MSR Pocket Rocket US$0.43 So the question for me is, is it worth saving US 26 cents every time I boil two cups of water, to carry a pot+burner that's 64% heavier, and maybe more importantly, a good bit bulkier? Clearly different people are going to have different answers on this one. (Based on a 110g canister of MSR IsoButane costing me US$4.95.) While I'm at it, a 110g canister with a BRS would boil two cups 10.6 times, and the Jetboil stash 23.3 times. I think either will probably always be enough for me. You'd have to boil two cups 14 times for the *average* difference in weight of fuel to equal the difference in pot+burner weight.
Thank you for this Paul, very informative. Personally I would never buy a Jetboil - I see it as a designer thing at high cost. I do get it though that if you are out every week with it the gas saving adds up. I have an OEX stove with regulator that packs very small. My next purchase is going to be a Trangia and stick stove so that I always have a non-gas backup even if I run out of fuel for the Trangia.
On multiday hikes, the amount of fuel needing to be carried is at least as important as the cost of the stove. And stoves last a long time. My Vargo titanium stove is ancient but, until I saw your video, seemed plenty good enough for another decade. Now, I’ll have to further investigate the Windmaster and the Stash. Damn! Watching your video is going to cost me money.
Paul, Thank you, a really interesting comparison and analysis. Hopefully, we will all be released from these interminable lockdowns at some stage to be able to try our gear out on the hills.
Great video, I have a Coleman, it looks like the jetboil it's brilliant! it works well in all conditions it's also much cheaper than the jetboil, the only thing is its bigger so takes up more room in your pack. I'm a 56 year old lady who loves to get out with my partner we generally walk around 10 miles so this is perfect for coffee, soup etc.
Great content. It would be interesting to see the boil times and fuel consumption using all of the stoves with the Jetboil pot with the flux ring. Ive heard of people using the Olicamp 1L pot with flux ring with various stoves with reports it’s very close to efficiency of the Jetboil. Keep up the great work.
Totally agree. I'll wager the times woukd be much better on a cheap flux ring pot such as an OEX Sola X. My one often beats jetboil times with a cannister stove
My expectations towards a stove depend on the intended use. I have a BRS 3000. I got it because it packs small and is very lightweight. It sits in a vehicle kit for occassional use (e. g. in a traffic jam or for coffee breaks). The added fuel consumption is not a real issue there. For hiking or motorcycle tours I might get a Jetboil Stash. On a motorcycle bulk matters. Carrying half the fuel is a benefit. Spending less money is an added bonus. Currently I use a pocket rocket 2. The Stash may be an option for my next cooking system. Thanks for sharing this test.
That was interesting to see, especially the true cost of each stove over a couple of years use, personally I like the jetboil style and have a budget version coming which should be interesting to compare the figures
Great comparison video Paul, some excellent stoves in there. I would spend money on what you want! The BRS has a place but mine is already falling apart. The MSR is still going strong. All the best mate #marchto100k!
Interesting .. a good share .. thanks. To reiterate already mentioned .. 'levelling of the playing field'. Same pot and stove burn intensity / heat output adjusted to give the same boil time for all stoves (that of the slowest). That would give a better indication of the efficiency of the burner. Not easy and more difficult in the field .. but would be another interesting comparison.
i have the soto windmaster stove used with a normal titanium pot it used 15g of fuel for 1l of water. With the fire maple pot with a heat exchanger it took 12g of fuel for 1l of water, when i turned back the gas flow by half a turn from full on it used 10g of fuel the time took a little longer but it was the quantity of gas i was interested in for the amount of gas i should carry . it was under the same conditions as yourself indoors using tap water
The soto (£43) + an APG two pot set(£37, Inc gas stand, discarded its burner), using the 750ml (wide and has exchanger) +lid and soto windmaster outdoor conditions, V windy Cornwall this week, in sheltered position, blitzed in 2m25s. Also gas was towards last 1/4 of gas capacity too which wouldn't help performance. Very very impressive. I've just checked gas consumption at home with 500ml water +soto on full. The APG in 1m39s and used 6g gas. Awesome. The narrow 750ml titanium pot in 2m40 and used 10g gas. Adjusting flame to avoid waste took 3m50s and used 8g gas. The flux and diameter really are important for performance and consumption.
To note, flux ring and pot diameter will make a huge difference in performance and consumption. The stash cost doesn't translate as per exchange(as with many items), its £120 in the UK (not £90).,
Interesting thank you. The Soto would up it's performance with a shield around it plus having a pot exactly the same size in dimension as the Jetboil. Agree the Jetboil has it all in one for convenient packing .
I use my Windmaster with either a Toaks 1300ml or 1600ml pot, the diameters of which would be much closer to the diameter of the jetboil and would I'm sure reduce the boil time that the Windmaster produced in your test. A interesting exercise though and I'm sure some folks will be moaning about the validity if the test. I will stick with my existing setup but if I didn't own 50 ways to boil water already I might have been tempted by the Stash for a lot of cash. A wind test must be on the cards surely.🙂
Paul, It looks like you've found your niche in the market. You make a fantastic reference point for outdoor kit. I'd certainly like a sleeping bag review e.g. 4 season ones. The choice of bags is bewildering. Thanks. Loved the scientific experiment. 👍
Brilliant video! I love getting into the really nerdy stuff like this. Keep up the good work and hopefully I'll bump into you on kinder scout at some point!
For those going further afield (especially in Europe) there is the perennial problem of canister type which never seems to be mentioned here. Yes, in an ideal world all canisters would be screw type and this would be a non problem, but... While it’s possible to buy a small converter, my personal solution is the MSR Superfly which fits both canister types. Primus also do one too. Aluminium foil windshields are also essential in most real life situations. It would have solved your freezing canister problem on a recent video. Another advantage of a plain titanium pot (sans heat exchanger) is that you can use it on a wood fire without messing it up. It’d definitely be interesting to compare a Jetboil style stove with one using a foil windshield in outdoor conditions. Thanks for the video.
Great comparison. Although there is an element of truth with paying extra for brand names... in my experience I find that with camping / outdoor equipment and clothing you generally get what you pay for. Great vid 👍🏼
I have the MSR pocket rocket. Bought a cheapo flux ring pot . Used a dremel to cut three slots down to the pot base . This lets it sit closer to the MSR burner ( 20mm) The boil time I get is 2minutes 15 for 500 ml. Im sure the jetboil will still use less fuel but the difference is much less than using a standard pot
Thank you for this! I bought the MSR mini pocket rocket and I know, but not for sure that I am wasting fuel with any kind of wind, it’s not just the cost, but knowing how far a small canister can last me on a trek has been disappointing. I would LOVE if you could perform the same test in the wind. A fan, perhaps. I don’t know for sure, but I bet the small jet boil may come out further on top.
Good video Paul. For me the money wasn't the issue it's the size/weight thing. I get my whole kit in the same alpkit ti 650 and it fits in the side pocket of my pack. So convenient and I only tend to use it for drinks. Food for thought though 👍
Thanks so much for the work you put into this. It must have taken quite a bit of time to produce! I've been considering the Minimo (since I want regulated cooking) and this has convinced me it's not a silly idea. I think it's reasonable to assume the Minimo will be similarly fuel-efficient. The reduced weight of gas to be carried is as much an attraction as the money saved on gas over time. Reduced environmental impact of going through fewer canisters is a plus, too.
thanks for this video! the only problem is that you mention the retail price is around £95 for the new Jetboil Stash, but at the moment the actual retail price is £140 in several outdoor stores so.... you'd have to use it a lot more than you say to make it cost-efficient!
Would be fascinated to see how much of this is due to the stove and how much due to the pot with heat eachangers. If you could repeat the test using the new stash pot on all 4 stoves would love to see that. As I already have Soto Windmaster, if I bought a stash would I be better off using the stash stove or my existing Soto? Especially as the latter also has wind protection.
If you already have the Windmaster then you have a great stove. This video is not made to say buy a Jetboil. It’s really in response to a lot of uneducated comments on my last video that said the Jetboil was overpriced hype. It’s a great stove system with a premium price. Big difference. But if you already have a Windmaster or pocket rocket, I wouldn’t rush to upgrade as they are great stoves in their own right.
To get a better idea of the actual efficiency of the stove itself you would need to use the same pot and somehow regulate the flame so they all boil at around the same time then measure the amount of gas used. All a bit tricky to do the sort of thing that desperate backpackers might spend a day doing whilst in lock down 😁
That would be an interesting test.
@@PaulMessner Yeah - I have Windmaster, Amicus that I use with a Ti pot alot at moment (or did before lockdown) but also have MSR Windburner - fab but heavy, Jetboil Micromo and Minimo - great for cooking at low temps, love the Micromo in particular but not so good in wind and still a little heavy, also have GSI Pinnacle, BRS 3000 and some others - so not spoiled for choice! Just wondering if I should pair a Soto stove (for wind resistance) with a pot with heat exchanger - in which case the pot from the Stash would be a good candidate because I am guessing the Amicus, maybe even the Windburner would slot in the side of the pot just like the original stove... And i like that the pot is a little wider and not so tall as many on the market - much better for eating food from. But it still looks like it would work as a cup if required.
I was actually wondering the same thing. It would be really interesting to see the efficiency with the jetboil pot and other stoves but also the jetboil stove and other pots and see how it compares to the whole system.
That was interesting Paul but every stove review seems to focus on boiling water and how fast it can do it. For the life of me, I don't know who cares about a minute or two longer wait after hiking for say 8 hrs. The one thing no one seems to talk about with stoves is their ability to regulate for cooking fresh food and not just heating water for meal packages. I don't eat the prepared dehydrated food and make my own since they are so damn expensive. After not winning your contest for the Windmaster (I tried really hard LOL) I went and bought it since it simmers so well when cooking in a pan and the large burner distributing the flame over a larger surface area and being able to be dialed down low seems like a winner for what I want it for. For those who want quick boil times and great fuel economy you really did make a good case for the Jetboil.
Just tried the same test with my MSR PR Deluxe and titanium pot. At full power it took 2:12 and used 10g while at half power it took 3:12 and used 6g of fuel.
I had some time to kill this morning, so I did a similar test. Although I was skeptical about the stash, in preparation for an upcoming camping trip, I decided to get one (on sale) after watching your video.
I compared the JS to my Soto Amicus/Toaks 750 ml pot combo and boiled 500 ml in my backyard (or garden to you).
Result: the JS used 5 g fuel compared to 8 or 12 for the Amicus (depending on valve position). That's 37% better efficiency and 22 boils/110 g canister of fuel. The Amicus gives 14 boils/canister. I didn't measure the time because I don't really care, but the JS was very fast.
Note: just for grins, I tried the Amicus stove with the JS pot and got the same result, 5g fuel/500 g water. This means the efficiency is in the pot, not the burner.
Cheers!
Another great point, proving people will use what they can afford or are willing to pay for. Equipment is a personal preference for each person.
true, those people just be prepared for cheap stuff to fail. ok for just one nighters, but devastating on a multiday hike.
This is why I love this channel, thoroughness. Thanks for taking the time to do this Paul. Although you say you weren't running a 'lab test' on the burners, I think the results are still very conclusive. All the best.
There is no thoroughness at all, if you think about it. He is comparing four burners of different sizes, each with a different output of gas volume and other parameters. It's like comparing Porsche 911 and Mazda Miata. Both are two door cars, and each has four wheels. That's where the similarities end.
Since most backpackers already have a stove, the question is whether it’s worth it to go out and buy a new jetboil Stash. Based on your video if I was starting fresh I would spring for the jetboil, but I don’t think I’ll shelve my pocket rocket and pot for a new setup for marginal improvement. But I do have to say that if your fuel consumption data is verifiable, the real value is stretching out usefulness of small canister over a multi day trip.
Yes, exactly.
My thought exactly. Having the Soto Windmaster I have just gone on amazon.com & bought the Fire-Maple FMC-XK6 heat-exchanger pot. I want to measure how much fuel it uses compared to the non heat-exchanger pots I'm presently using. I, like everyone else, would like to boil water using as little fuel as possible.
I don't have a stove, since I am just starting out, and for me, I think the jetboil is the best bang for my buck. I still may get the windmaster if the jetboil struggles with weather conditions, but that may be way later when I've used the jetboil for a while. :)
You’re spoiling us Paul. Here I am working through my checklist of things I need for my first wild camp and your putting up helpful videos comparing the things I need to buy. The most helpful channel on TH-cam for wild camping advice etc 👍
He's personally responsible for 5 of my recent purchases 🤣
@@matthewgolabek8673 Haha. My wife is less happy with him 🤣
@@matthewgolabek8673 - me too. Haha.
On a side note, the Soto Windmaster is made in Japan (superb quality).
Literally EVERYTHING made in Japan is high quality. Even simple things like a pair of scissors are perfectly engineered out there
thanks paul,
that's a fair point you make....
if you use the jetboil you save money(in the long term)
use jetboil save cash more brewdog....!
The windmaster has a micro regulator, the stash doesn't. That will make a big difference in the real world of low temperatures and windy conditions
I used the jet boil in 2014 in very cold conditions (minus 10 degree), with the optimus gas it was very hard to cook the water. Since then i used the Windmaster and actually the rocket pocket 2 with primus winter gas. It works perfect for me till minus 15 degree. I think the windmaster is a little bit better in windy conditions.
My money was on the Jetboil from the outset. My old Jetboil Flash, 16 years old and still going strong. Just bought a Minimo after watching your other videos and wowed by its performance. It was time to invest in a new one and I've given my ol' flash to my son for his backpacking kit. Looking forward like you to getting out of 4 walls again. Seeing your video's and excellent reviews has been a brilliant and positive boost to us during lockdown. Keep up the excellent work Paul.
I came for the comparison, I stayed for the personality. Lovely video!
Oh gas consumption is of great interest when considering power-out situations or scenarios that might make temporary relocation necessary. Thank you for taking the time out of your day and pounds out of your pocket to test and then share this information. I'm a bit of a dull kid who finally realized I should have certain things ready even if I'm not the head of the house. The experiences of others sure helps me make up for areas where I lack.
Nice Video Paul
Thumbs Up from the US.
I would put the $16us BRS and The Sterno Inferno Pot $25us (on Amazon) up against the Jetboil. That is an Aluminum heat exchanger pot with like volume to Stash Pot. It comes with stabilizer (edit: doesn't fit all 100g cans so add $3us for stabilizer from Aliexpress) too, $41($44) total. Boil times drop and fuel consumption goes down on BRS stove. I think you would have to get a lot more boils to ever catch that combo.
Keep it up! I'll keep watching.
Paul I had to run the experiment myself. 2 Cups plus water (500g) at 65°f. Boil time 2:45 (slower of 2 tries, 2:41 first time) and 6g fuel use on both. Save some cash and get a generic pot and use the stove you have.
So the magic is the heat exchanger on any pot NOT that stove or pot.
For years I used a burner that fitted to the top of the gas canister, like all the ones you tested. Now I use a Vango burner that sits on the ground with a flexible hose to the canister for 2 reasons: (1) Safety- it's *much* more stable on uneven ground with a pot of hot liquid perched on top, & (2) Efficiency- wind speed is lower closer to the ground & it's easier to use a windbreak (I use some thick aluminium foil). The burner assembly is heavier (215 g vs 100g for top mounted), but will still fit inside my Alpkit 800 ml pan folded down, & can handle a pan 80 - 160 cm dia. I can also use any size of gas canister I want. Your test was good for comparative purposes, but we all know that the wind is the overriding factor for boil times in a real life situation.
This was an exemplary analysis. I was using my old Bleuet but I am sold on the Jetboil. After some visual reviews, I have just bought the Jetboil Micromo to upgrade my kit. Can't wait to try it out.
Never mind the boil speed I’m impressed at the speed you’re getting videos out Paul! Especially considering you’re a camping channel, and we can’t camp - brilliant, so thank you! Think you hit the nail on the head - for the person who camps 2 or 3 times a year in the middle of summer the jet oil probably isn’t worth it, or would take years to be worth it. Whereas a more frequent camper would get the benefit of the outlay. A very comparable situation to walking boots!
Just seen that Cotswold have the Stash up for £140, I wonder if it’s a placeholder price or the actual UK cost
I think 140 is very harsh mate. It’s a great stove with impressive figures but I do see why it should cost so much here in the U.K.
@@PaulMessner I would hate to see the cost in Australia. I have the Pocket Rocket 2, with Ti pot and it’s great. So I’ll stick with that for now ;)
That is a great video Paul. I really like your attention to detail and how you compared different parameters. That will have taken a lot of time to do, and I appreciate your focus on the facts. Great job !!
My sentiments, exactly.
Great comparison Paul. Thank you for taking the time to make the video. You have showed all the options available 😊👍🏻. Can’t wait to get a stash. 😊
I have the BRS, Soto and Jet Boil. I am a weekend warrior and the thing I love about the BRS is it's just so light. I am in the older side, well into my 60s and weight is massive for me. Fuel consumption is not that big of an issue. I use my half cans on car camping or on canoe trips. If I was a long distance hiker fuel usage would be a big deal. The BSR is also dirt cheap, like 16.00 dollars US.
I use a JetBoil Flash and it uses next to no fuel. Fantastic bit of kit and worth the initial cost
Paul, absolutely loving your channel and I’ve learned loads!! I’ve been wild camping for 12 years and have very basic kit.
Me and my friends have the best time ever though and so I couldn’t be happier lol.
You’re videos and open-mindedness are inspiring, meaning you wish to seek out the truth rather than believe you know it all. You will amass so many more subscribers as it’s like watching a good mate do his thing.
Ive lived in Cambridge For 7 years but from up north originally, I miss living so close to the Lake District and such!!
Nice one Paul, putting into terms of total cost of ownership in a practical way. Goes with the old saying: "buy cheap, buy twice"!!
Great video Messi my boy!! Might be a boring subject but it is DAMN USEFUL! Thank you for your time making this video. Absolutely brilliant stuff.
Hi Paul, some surprising results. To give a more accurate impression of the fuel consumption/boil time it would be interesting to see the results if you used the stash pot for all the stoves. Thanks for the effort you put into your videos.
I have the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe and very pleased with it. I like that everything is attached to it from burner stand to ignition.
I do have the Jetboil Flash, but that's better for car camping.
Ive got the pocket rocket 2 and love it, still great to see a comparison on them all though 👍
You give the people what they want, and still they're demanding more.....and that's just in the few comments I did read. I think the Jetboil Stash proved to be the best of the 4 here in terms of boil time, weight, fuel consumption and long-term value. Initial outlay is expensive against these others, but the saying "buy cheap, buy twice" is the most apprpriate here, I think. Congrats Jetboil, and THANK YOU Mr. Messner.
Brilliant, thanks Paul. As they say, you pays your money and takes your choice. But data is really helpful.
Thank you sis much for your review. It really put into perspective the value of the products.
I still run my old Campingaz Turbo 270. It fits in my GSI 1.1l pot with one of its canisters and stand. Yeah, it's 270g but it boils 500ml in 2:25 and consumed 10g of fuel. I have plenty of canisters(cleared out a sporting goods store at their going-out-of-business sale) I also have the matching Bivouac lantern. I'll eventually change out, but relish a bit of nostalgia along the way. 🏕
Better is very subjective. Do you mean which is faster, or which is more efficient?
Firstly, you need to use the same pot for all the tests. Secondly, it's not comparable in terms of cost to balance a Ti pot against an Aluminium pot. Thirdly, the 'other' canister top stoves when not paired with a flux-ring pot, are way, way way more efficient when turned right down to medium-low power. Sure it takes 5 minutes to boil 450 ml, but they can all do it around on similar gas consumption to the JB.
Basically the JB's flux ring pot makes it fast AND efficient, whereas with other regular setups, you can have fast or efficient, but not both.
Good follow up and making a point of the overall costs of setup. One of the main reasons I treated myself to the flash was the full component breakdown and the fact every essential was included.
Hello Paul
I can't come to the same conclusion as the pot has been changed for the jetboil. I'd be interested to know what the consumption of all the burners is with the jetboil pot.
Best regards
André
Excellent comparison and analysis of the stoves. Incredible the Jetboil stove. Paul, thank you so much for sharing with us. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😉🔥🏕️
I have been looking to buy a new stove, and having watched this and if I am honest all of your videos over the last two or three months I took the plunge today and ordered the msr pocket rocket 2 with cook set. For the price and it's size I believe I got a deal on a good stove. Thanks for the videos and test. Hope to see you with 100k subs soon.
Definitely not boring and appreciate you taking the time to do this test. For me, I'd much rather an efficient stove, especially if it comes as a kit, so the Jetboil is a winner for me.
Yes, the initial outlay is high, however it's designed to work together efficiently, while buying individuall items to build a similar kit may be cheaper it may mean it becomes more of a hit and miss approach. So potentially you'll end up spending more by the time you're happy with your setup.
But like all things, everyone should do their research to decide what's best for them. Be it weight saving, longevity, quality, cost, looks, etc.
For me, I don't always go for the most expensive items, however after doing my researching and if there is compelling evidence that shows it's most likely the better or best option, then I don't have an issue paying the price for it.
At least then I can back up my decision rather than say, "Oh it was the most expensive one, so it's gotta be the best...
right?"
Thanks for another great video Paul.
Excellent video Paul, you've literally "stirred the pot" in the minds of your subscribers. I, like many others, are hoping/pleading for you to measure the fuel efficiency of all 4 stoves when using the same heat exchanger type of pot. I'm thinking it is the heat-exchanger pot that is THE reason that resulted in the Stash system using only 5gr of fuel, not necessarily the stove.
Or use a non heat-exchanger type of pot with the Jetboil Stove.
I'm certain the difference in fuel usage is because of the pot, not the stove.
nice article Paul esp for a chilling Sunday afternoon - old saying is you get what you pay for. had my jetboil for years. Still going strong, very versatile, reliable and I love them!
Keep up the good work sir - hope you're keeping well and coping OK.
I have the MSR and I really pleased with it. I have been interested in the Jetboil for some time now. Thanks for the Video. First time poster here, been following you for about a year now. Love all your content.
Hi Paul,
Great review, but don’t underestimate the difference in area between the two pot bases. The Stash at 130mm diameter has 69% more surface area the the Alpkit 650 at 103mm diameter. That’s a huge advantage.
I dont normally comment but what a great video. I love techy stats from normal person functikn tests like that. Really intresting to see how much better that stash is. I could see in your face the calculations adding up to a great stove over time.
Great video, wish some how you could do videos like that for other gear too.
Thanks Paul an interesting video, the small savings on one product verses another do add up over time but I guess for most people its not overly important, its more about the quality of the product and how its going to perform and last, the old adage comes to mind, buy cheap buy twice!
I love these stoves, Paul. I purchased a cheap $15.00 stove with a piezo lighter from China and a 900 ml Kathmandu pot with lid, handle and soft cover which also has the heating fins on it as well for $50.00 (half price) what a bargain lol they work beautifully together.
Once again mate, what a great review. Cheers from Down Under.
I'd be interested in how the results differ when using the same pot for all of them. Maybe the difference between boil times and gas used would be more similar if they all used the same pot?
While it would be an interesting test to hold more variables constant, I think the review Paul did is more about comparing the cooking systems as they would likely be used in the real world. Nobody is going to use a jetboil pot with a pocketrocket stove - so why test that combo? The test he performed is interesting and useful - but maybe should be more accurately titled something like 'JetBoil Stash vs your current cooking rig'.
Agreed. Hopefully, Paul will do a follow-up video & determine the amount of fuel used using the same Jetboil Stash pot with each of the 4 different stoves.
@@azclaimjumper he has mate, check out his later videos
@@theom7476 Thanks for the "Heads UP"; just finished watching it. That video confirms what I was thinking. That it is the heat exchanger pot that is the reason for low boil times, NOT the Stove.
Important to remember that the PocketRocket and the Windmaster have regulators, so when the fuel canister gets emptier, performance on those stoves will be more consistent. I wonder if using the PR2 or the Windmaster and pot with a heat exchanger might get close to the Jetboil's performance. Would be great to see a boil for each stove using the Jetboil pot.
Only the Windmaster has a regulator, not the Pocket Rocket. The Pocket Rocket Deluxe has a regulator. I suspect under field use the regulator will be more relevant in colder weather and higher altitude. It would be interesting to see performance in wind with the Jetboil Stash.
I only have used the Mo series from Jetboil and Windburner from MSR for their regular, for times wanting to simmer my meal.
The Pocket Rocket Deluxe has a regulator, the Pocket Rocket does not.
i once tried my jetboil flash with a PR2 and got equally good boiling times. The PR2 burner has a narrow fire beam and it disperses once it hits the pot, making the flow of heat very, very compatible with a Flash pot's flux ring. Been trying stuff to make the Flash more versatile. I love it more now i've got the pot adapter.
I, too, have the Windmaster & am thinking a pot with a heat exchanger like the Fire-Maple FMC-XK6 heat-exchanger pot would reduce the time & fuel usage of the Windmaster to something closer to the 5grams of fuel used by the Jetboil Stash cook system (stove/pot).
I have a jetboil zip , it’s cracking for boiling water , well worth the money 👍
Best test I have seen ,most tests don’t take the gas used in to acount
Excellent review. Decided to buy the Jetboil coming from a Coleman propane stove for ice and shore fishing, camping, etc.
The fuel cost (efficiency) comparison was very helpful in making a decision.
Now...that price tag, lol... the fuel is not cheap on Amazon, either, so I hope I can find some cheaper locally. People here are still pretty old school.
20 boils with the smallest can is very reasonable, and I'll note that the smallest can packs down inside the kit, while the larger ones do not (Read Amazon reviews)
Main criticism: I think you should have compared effect of the jet boil pot and the tungsten pot on all four stoves. I'm pretty sure it would have been the pot itself that was the most significant factor in boil times and gas usage.
yeah, if something like the BRS take twice the fuel as the Jetboil, WHILE still producing a pure blue flame it mean the fuel is fully combusted, but you are wasting it.
I think in fairness to Paul, he was only trying to demonstrate the difference between the jetboil and other systems. The jetboil comes with the flux ring pot, the others don't and most people using any of the other stoves with their standard pots will now have a clearer idea as to the proformance difference between the jetboil and their own setups. Unquestionably the flux ring gives a competitive edge to boil time. The fuel used will be effected mainly by the btu output of the individual stoves.
@@lincolndave1966able thats the thing. it mainly come down to the pot and the flame contact to the pot. comparing the jetboil with its own special pot vs other stove with a random pot is very biased, even more coming from someone paid by jetboil.
@@Francois_Dupont I think your being a bit unfair, I'm not sure Paul is paid by jetboil, if you look over previous videos where he was choosing his favourite stove out of his collection of stoves, he chose his trangia over his jetboil. That would indicate he is under no paid obligation to 'big up' jetboil over other brands.
@@Francois_Dupont he is comparing what you get for the price paid not just the stove or pot itself. It's not biased if you get that jetboil with a pot. I am sure if you upgrade the other pot for the rest it will cost more.
Thanks for taking the time to compare the stoves.
The short boil time & small gas consumption of the jetboil are impressive, I do wonder though what would happen if you added some wind to the setup (ventilator). Probably nothing too dramatic, since the flux ring will still catch some of that escaping heat.
Let's wait and see what Ernie from PaleoHikerMD's test results are like!
Awesome buddy .. good test..... jet boil wow 5gram used .. well impressive .. cheers Chris & Sam
Another fantastic video and it couldn't have come at a better time. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on one of these and it's really helped me make my mind up. Cheers again!
My soto , kit (not the wind master) but with a wind blocking rim on the burner, cost $49 US on sale and came with 2 pots. 2 cups and 4 cups. Boils 2 c water in 2 minutes. I did not test fuel efficiency but using it for a total of 6 mins a day, my 8 oz cannister lasted 2 1/2 weeks. I like my meals cooked, not just hydrated. I fixed morning oatmeal and coffee, evening meal and hot drink. For a tiny bit of fuel savings and a tiny bit of lessened cooking time I would not spend more money.
Love to see a test using the windmaster with the stash pot just for giggles!!
Or a Soto Windmaster with any heat exchanger type of pot, say the Fire-Maple FMC-XK6 heat-exchanger pot. I've just ordered that pot & am anxious to see how much less fuel my Windmaster uses with a heat-exchanger type of pot.
Been watching these stove reviews
It's odd isn't it i , still carry a trangia alcohol stove and a crusader cook system Mk1 in a crusader MK2 little bag , flint and steel , cheap as and long lasting , everything you need really
But i like watching these reviews
The trangia is my favourite as mentioned in other videos. I will still keep showing different opinions though as trangia isn’t for everyone.
Good point and I love my home made Fancee Feest stove. However, some places don't allow alcohol stoves.
IMHO this is one of your best mate. I like geeky stuff like this ;-)
thanks, Paul - interesting, initial cost, usage, efficiency, = value.
Great video paul. It’s cleared up a few questions I had. Keep up the good content. Happy camping 🏕
I love this video, really appreciate it, well done. You did a great job of showing that over time, the JetBoil is more cost effective than the BRS stove.
I used your numbers and figured out what it would cost me to boil two cups of water for a Mountain House meal with each:
BRS 3000T US$0.47
Jetboil Stash US$0.21
Soto Windmaster US$0.51
MSR Pocket Rocket US$0.43
So the question for me is, is it worth saving US 26 cents every time I boil two cups of water, to carry a pot+burner that's 64% heavier, and maybe more importantly, a good bit bulkier? Clearly different people are going to have different answers on this one.
(Based on a 110g canister of MSR IsoButane costing me US$4.95.)
While I'm at it, a 110g canister with a BRS would boil two cups 10.6 times, and the Jetboil stash 23.3 times. I think either will probably always be enough for me. You'd have to boil two cups 14 times for the *average* difference in weight of fuel to equal the difference in pot+burner weight.
This was very interesting and valuable. Thankyou for taking the time. Much appreciated.
Thank you for this Paul, very informative. Personally I would never buy a Jetboil - I see it as a designer thing at high cost. I do get it though that if you are out every week with it the gas saving adds up. I have an OEX stove with regulator that packs very small. My next purchase is going to be a Trangia and stick stove so that I always have a non-gas backup even if I run out of fuel for the Trangia.
Hi Paul great video I a jet boil great use it lots and with the frying pan there’s an old saying you get what you pay for keep up the good work. 👍
On multiday hikes, the amount of fuel needing to be carried is at least as important as the cost of the stove. And stoves last a long time. My Vargo titanium stove is ancient but, until I saw your video, seemed plenty good enough for another decade. Now, I’ll have to further investigate the Windmaster and the Stash. Damn! Watching your video is going to cost me money.
Paul, Thank you, a really interesting comparison and analysis. Hopefully, we will all be released from these interminable lockdowns at some stage to be able to try our gear out on the hills.
You used a very nice comparison method here. I like seeing the time and amount of fuel used you showed.
Great video, I have a Coleman, it looks like the jetboil it's brilliant! it works well in all conditions it's also much cheaper than the jetboil, the only thing is its bigger so takes up more room in your pack. I'm a 56 year old lady who loves to get out with my partner we generally walk around 10 miles so this is perfect for coffee, soup etc.
Great content. It would be interesting to see the boil times and fuel consumption using all of the stoves with the Jetboil pot with the flux ring. Ive heard of people using the Olicamp 1L pot with flux ring with various stoves with reports it’s very close to efficiency of the Jetboil. Keep up the great work.
Totally agree. I'll wager the times woukd be much better on a cheap flux ring pot such as an OEX Sola X. My one often beats jetboil times with a cannister stove
Well done Paul! Extremely informative comparisons. 💁♂️💁♂️💁♂️
My expectations towards a stove depend on the intended use. I have a BRS 3000. I got it because it packs small and is very lightweight. It sits in a vehicle kit for occassional use (e. g. in a traffic jam or for coffee breaks). The added fuel consumption is not a real issue there. For hiking or motorcycle tours I might get a Jetboil Stash. On a motorcycle bulk matters. Carrying half the fuel is a benefit. Spending less money is an added bonus. Currently I use a pocket rocket 2. The Stash may be an option for my next cooking system.
Thanks for sharing this test.
Very good video Paul , definately food for thought ....pardon the pun .
That was interesting to see, especially the true cost of each stove over a couple of years use, personally I like the jetboil style and have a budget version coming which should be interesting to compare the figures
Great comparison video Paul, some excellent stoves in there. I would spend money on what you want! The BRS has a place but mine is already falling apart. The MSR is still going strong. All the best mate #marchto100k!
Well thats opened my eyes. Great vid Paul.
Interesting .. a good share .. thanks.
To reiterate already mentioned .. 'levelling of the playing field'. Same pot and stove burn intensity / heat output adjusted to give the same boil time for all stoves (that of the slowest).
That would give a better indication of the efficiency of the burner. Not easy and more difficult in the field .. but would be another interesting comparison.
Great video, thanks for going into a little more detail.
Nice video thanks. I wish the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe could have been included in the test.
Great video and analysis for anyone who is looking to buy a stove or change one they have
Great video Paul! Thanks a lot. I use the BRS a lot but would definitely like to get the stash as well! Thanks for the vid!
i have the soto windmaster stove used with a normal titanium pot it used 15g of fuel for 1l of water. With the fire maple pot with a heat exchanger it took 12g of fuel for 1l of water, when i turned back the gas flow by half a turn from full on it used 10g of fuel the time took a little longer but it was the quantity of gas i was interested in for the amount of gas i should carry . it was under the same conditions as yourself indoors using tap water
The soto (£43) + an APG two pot set(£37, Inc gas stand, discarded its burner), using the 750ml (wide and has exchanger) +lid and soto windmaster outdoor conditions, V windy Cornwall this week, in sheltered position, blitzed in 2m25s. Also gas was towards last 1/4 of gas capacity too which wouldn't help performance. Very very impressive.
I've just checked gas consumption at home with 500ml water +soto on full. The APG in 1m39s and used 6g gas. Awesome.
The narrow 750ml titanium pot in 2m40 and used 10g gas. Adjusting flame to avoid waste took 3m50s and used 8g gas.
The flux and diameter really are important for performance and consumption.
To note, flux ring and pot diameter will make a huge difference in performance and consumption.
The stash cost doesn't translate as per exchange(as with many items), its £120 in the UK (not £90).,
Great video m8. Alot of hard work and effort put into that.
Interesting thank you. The Soto would up it's performance with a shield around it plus having a pot exactly the same size in dimension as the Jetboil. Agree the Jetboil has it all in one for convenient packing .
nice job... so empirical and lovin' it!
I use my Windmaster with either a Toaks 1300ml or 1600ml pot, the diameters of which would be much closer to the diameter of the jetboil and would I'm sure reduce the boil time that the Windmaster produced in your test.
A interesting exercise though and I'm sure some folks will be moaning about the validity if the test.
I will stick with my existing setup but if I didn't own 50 ways to boil water already I might have been tempted by the Stash for a lot of cash.
A wind test must be on the cards surely.🙂
Great video Paul, I reckon the real test would be same stoves again but all with the heat exchange/Jetboil pot as already suggested.
Paul, It looks like you've found your niche in the market. You make a fantastic reference point for outdoor kit. I'd certainly like a sleeping bag review e.g. 4 season ones. The choice of bags is bewildering. Thanks. Loved the scientific experiment. 👍
Enjoyed the video, will stick with my Alpkit Mytipot 900 ti and MSR Pocket Rocket 2 (summer) / Kovea Spider remote canister stove (winter) 👍
I'm still using my camping gaz bleuet micro. 12 quid with cannister and a 3 quid tin large mug from poundstrecher..
Brilliant video! I love getting into the really nerdy stuff like this. Keep up the good work and hopefully I'll bump into you on kinder scout at some point!
For those going further afield (especially in Europe) there is the perennial problem of canister type which never seems to be mentioned here.
Yes, in an ideal world all canisters would be screw type and this would be a non problem, but...
While it’s possible to buy a small converter, my personal solution is the MSR Superfly which fits both canister types. Primus also do one too.
Aluminium foil windshields are also essential in most real life situations. It would have solved your freezing canister problem on a recent video.
Another advantage of a plain titanium pot (sans heat exchanger) is that you can use it on a wood fire without messing it up.
It’d definitely be interesting to compare a Jetboil style stove with one using a foil windshield in outdoor conditions.
Thanks for the video.
Great comparison. Although there is an element of truth with paying extra for brand names... in my experience I find that with camping / outdoor equipment and clothing you generally get what you pay for. Great vid 👍🏼
I have the MSR pocket rocket.
Bought a cheapo flux ring pot .
Used a dremel to cut three slots down to the pot base .
This lets it sit closer to the MSR burner ( 20mm)
The boil time I get is 2minutes 15 for 500 ml.
Im sure the jetboil will still use less fuel but the difference is much less than using a standard pot
Thank you for this! I bought the MSR mini pocket rocket and I know, but not for sure that I am wasting fuel with any kind of wind, it’s not just the cost, but knowing how far a small canister can last me on a trek has been disappointing. I would LOVE if you could perform the same test in the wind. A fan, perhaps. I don’t know for sure, but I bet the small jet boil may come out further on top.
Great vid. As suggested by others, let's do a jetboil burner on different pots too 👍
Good video Paul.
For me the money wasn't the issue it's the size/weight thing.
I get my whole kit in the same alpkit ti 650 and it fits in the side pocket of my pack.
So convenient and I only tend to use it for drinks.
Food for thought though 👍
Thanks so much for the work you put into this. It must have taken quite a bit of time to produce! I've been considering the Minimo (since I want regulated cooking) and this has convinced me it's not a silly idea. I think it's reasonable to assume the Minimo will be similarly fuel-efficient. The reduced weight of gas to be carried is as much an attraction as the money saved on gas over time. Reduced environmental impact of going through fewer canisters is a plus, too.
thanks for this video! the only problem is that you mention the retail price is around £95 for the new Jetboil Stash, but at the moment the actual retail price is £140 in several outdoor stores so.... you'd have to use it a lot more than you say to make it cost-efficient!
It would be great to repeat this exact experiment up on the rocks on your next walk. I expect the Windmaster will smash the others on gas usage