Elf age is often exaggerated. Morathi and melekith who are 1000s of years old are OP af. These guys are a few hundred years old and usually have some magic to help them close the distance. Bodyguards are white lions, swordmasters are more like magic monks. I mean skill is still much higher but your average kislevite is the size of a chaos warrior and hardy af. Yeah good luck parrying an overhead from a kislevite unless your jacked
Who would win? Elite human kids who are 40-60 ish year old with not so bad great swords or Elite elven master swordsman who are probably 2000 years old and beyond and has been training for 1500 years or more and each of them has an legendary great sword crafted and probably enchanted by master elven smith and mage.
1000 year old elf are only melekith and morathi. These guys are at best a few hundred years old. Some elfs like dark elfs are literally worse than disciplined humans in fighting from tabletop. Because they are gang pressed into fighting without much training as soon as they are old enough. 1000 year elves are super super rare in modern warhammer post sundering because the world got more dangerous so living past 100 became hard.
The Royal Guard defeats both the executioners of Harganet and the Sword Masters due to the fact that they have forty more HP per model. If, conventionally, the executioner model dies in 2-3 attacks of Kislevite, then Kislevite already dies in 4-5. In a total war, it’s not how much HP a squad has that matters, but how many models there are in it. Therefore, a squad with half HP, but with a full complement of models, is just as dangerous as a whole squad.
You need to send this to CA dude,there is no reason for, tzar guard to be this strong,CA during the chawi dlc patch for some stupid reason buffed the tzar guard who were already a very good unit
Or alternatively, buff elves. Elves still have better shooting, magic, and healing. CA buffed them because they were much less cost effective, then armored kossars.
Kislev needs a nerf hammer to the balls for their infantry, armoured kossar have no business beating chaos warriors and tsar guard great weapon have no business beating eleven elite
Actually tzar guard unit was buffed recently, at the start of the wh 3 they had different stats: attack/defence/weapon strength 36/32/36 vs now 40/36/42. Sword masters could beat them easily, I remember that from Zerkovich videos.
I think swordmasters are still a little bit better since they fear basically only artillery, same with white lions. High elven greatweapons have by far strongest special abilities. But it's nice to see some proper human elite infantry
By Our Bood be real good. And a large part of delf power budget is in murderous mastery, which these tests don't trigger until it's too late to matter.
"Swordmasters of Hoeth are exemplars of the Elven martial arts. Each has studied warfare of personal combat, attaining a martial mastery impossible for shorter-lived races like Men to achieve." After watching some videos on your channel, I don't even want to install wh3 back, like ever. This here is a reminder that this game is only made for casual fans of powercreep.
I'm not sure why Tzar Guard win so obviously against the Druchii... The Executioners merely have a bit less melee defense and they have a bit more AP, a bit more charge, more leadership and Murderous Mastery (through it triggers very late). And above all... Why the hell Martial MAstery isn't enough to comfortably beat the Tzar Guard!? They already have +6 MA and they gain +8 more MA and +12 MD, they should annihilate the Tzar Guard!
What a weird result. No idea where the Tzar Guards pull this efficiency from, certainly not from the base stats anyway. I guess the Hoemaster's splash damage did them a bit of a disservice there, but still. They also should have no right beating the Executioners so soundly.
Эльф который тренируется несколько тысяч лет проигрывает человеку, которому 30-50лет😅😅. Воин хаоса который продал душу демонам хаоса, на что они им дали силу и все такое, тоже проигрывает обычному человеку еще и стоит по содержанию меньше на 100 золотых. CA совсем из ума выжили!!!! Не должно быть так! Скиньте пожалуйста им этот ролик кто нибудь
this is just straight up power creep and shitty balance. the tzar guard also have a ranged attack and the elves are meant to be THE elite faction, next to chaos and dwarves.
Don't know about de, but he infantry is very good. White lions are bread and butter of multiplayer battles and swordmasters are used quite frequently, though they are very vulnerable to artillery
@@williammclyr3330 Problem of HE high tier infantry is that they simpy not worth it. Better waste upkeep and money on archers units. Base elf units stats maybe good, but in real campaign they only good for holding enemy troops and very weak against dwarfs/chaos dwarf stacks with art.
@@ultrastrategyman4805 it's false for mp battles completely. You cannot have a lot of archers and expect competent opponent to let them shoot. In campaign it works only because AI is stupid. And even against AI balanced armies works better, because you are not force to cheese battles with corner camping and can actually learn to play game
@@williammclyr3330 >it's false for mp battles completely MP have their own balance for units aside from campaign. I talked about only singleplayer and I don't play mp >And even against AI balanced armies works better, No? 4 infantry units for one army is more than enough to holding the line and creating space for monsters/archers. Other units just outperform phoenix guard/hoeth masters, same with DE with black guard/executioners
That was before the chaos dwarf dlc release patch during that patch CA for some retarded reason buffed the tzar guard who were by all means a good unit
personal bodyguards of ruler v.s 10000000000 year old master swordsmen and somehow WRECK em
Furthermore i'd also bet you those bodyguards are not skilled enough to block projectiles with their swords...
Yea, the results were a bit surprising :) Thanks for the comment.
Elf age is often exaggerated.
Morathi and melekith who are 1000s of years old are OP af.
These guys are a few hundred years old and usually have some magic to help them close the distance.
Bodyguards are white lions, swordmasters are more like magic monks.
I mean skill is still much higher but your average kislevite is the size of a chaos warrior and hardy af.
Yeah good luck parrying an overhead from a kislevite unless your jacked
And here I thought that the swordmasters of hoeth are the most cracked great weap infantry in the game
Yea, seems not to be the case :) Thanks for the comment.
The strongest great weapon infantry are Chosen of Nurgle.
@@saidroskif4231 Yea, they seem to do rather well even against Chosen of Khorne DW :) Thanks for the comment.
Who would win? Elite human kids who are 40-60 ish year old with not so bad great swords or Elite elven master swordsman who are probably 2000 years old and beyond and has been training for 1500 years or more and each of them has an legendary great sword crafted and probably enchanted by master elven smith and mage.
Indeed :D Thanks for the comment.
1000 year old elf are only melekith and morathi.
These guys are at best a few hundred years old.
Some elfs like dark elfs are literally worse than disciplined humans in fighting from tabletop.
Because they are gang pressed into fighting without much training as soon as they are old enough.
1000 year elves are super super rare in modern warhammer post sundering because the world got more dangerous so living past 100 became hard.
Wow I didn't expect that. In fact I thought the elves would have won due to Martial Prowess...
Yea, that was rather embarrassing for the swormasters :) Thanks for the comment.
Basically think of it as a skilled human figter versus a 2 year old grizzly bear with a big chopper.
I guess that captures the essence of the battle rather well :) Thanks for the comment.
the did elves dirty lmao that makes no sense
i also don't know why elven unit sizes are so huge
Thanks for the comment. Yea, better stats with lower numbers would make sense :)
Power of Vodka
:D Thanks for the comment.
The Royal Guard defeats both the executioners of Harganet and the Sword Masters due to the fact that they have forty more HP per model. If, conventionally, the executioner model dies in 2-3 attacks of Kislevite, then Kislevite already dies in 4-5. In a total war, it’s not how much HP a squad has that matters, but how many models there are in it. Therefore, a squad with half HP, but with a full complement of models, is just as dangerous as a whole squad.
Ah, that explains it :) Thanks for the comment.
You need to send this to CA dude,there is no reason for, tzar guard to be this strong,CA during the chawi dlc patch for some stupid reason buffed the tzar guard who were already a very good unit
Tzar guard aren't very strong, it's just the others are very bad.
Or alternatively, buff elves. Elves still have better shooting, magic, and healing. CA buffed them because they were much less cost effective, then armored kossars.
TBH, the whole roster of kislev is pretty busted due to by oir blood passive
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the results seem somewhat weird :)
@@joeyawiki3315 they didn't even particularly need it there
Kislev needs a nerf hammer to the balls for their infantry, armoured kossar have no business beating chaos warriors and tsar guard great weapon have no business beating eleven elite
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the result of this one was a bit weird :)
Actually tzar guard unit was buffed recently, at the start of the wh 3 they had different stats: attack/defence/weapon strength 36/32/36 vs now 40/36/42. Sword masters could beat them easily, I remember that from Zerkovich videos.
kislev infantry are so overpowered tzar guards with shield are able to beat black orcs and now the greatsword variants can destroy swordmasters?!
Yea, at least in these match-ups they seem to do rather well :) Thanks for the comment.
I think the guards are so effective because they don't have splash damage. They kill models instead of hurting them.
That might explain things :) Thanks for the comment.
HUMANY WILL STAND WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
Indeed :) Thanks for the comment.
I think swordmasters are still a little bit better since they fear basically only artillery, same with white lions. High elven greatweapons have by far strongest special abilities. But it's nice to see some proper human elite infantry
Thanks for the comment. Yea, this only gives a sample of battle scenarios :)
Stats of tzar guard GW before the chawi zaar patch
MA 36
MD 36
WS 36
BVI 14
This was buffed.They were also cost effective as they only cost 1000 gold
:) Thanks for the info.
Wait wait wait. What?! That's hilarious!
Yea, quite weird :) Thanks for the comment.
Dang. I was expecting a win for the elves, but I think the splash attacks screwed them over...
Yea, that might be the case :) Thanks for the comment.
By Our Bood be real good.
And a large part of delf power budget is in murderous mastery, which these tests don't trigger until it's too late to matter.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed regarding Executioners. However, Swordmasters were quite a disappointment as well :)
executioners shouldnt even need murderous mastery to kill a unit like this lol
They didn't even need "by our blood" to win
What on earth happened to the Tzar Guard? They really shouldn't be winning these battles 😂
Yea, that was quite impressive from them :) Thanks for the comment.
"Swordmasters of Hoeth are exemplars of the Elven martial arts. Each has studied warfare of personal combat, attaining a martial mastery impossible for shorter-lived races like Men to achieve."
After watching some videos on your channel, I don't even want to install wh3 back, like ever. This here is a reminder that this game is only made for casual fans of powercreep.
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the performance didn't quite match the description there :)
I TOLD YOU AND NOBODY BELIEVE ME. TZAR GUARD IS OP.
Seems to be the case at least here :) Thanks for the comment.
I'm not sure why Tzar Guard win so obviously against the Druchii... The Executioners merely have a bit less melee defense and they have a bit more AP, a bit more charge, more leadership and Murderous Mastery (through it triggers very late).
And above all... Why the hell Martial MAstery isn't enough to comfortably beat the Tzar Guard!? They already have +6 MA and they gain +8 more MA and +12 MD, they should annihilate the Tzar Guard!
"By our blood" kick-in for them so they became Unbreakable while the Executioner break
I wouldn't calculate shit the so called executioners can't win or tank fuckn late game gobbos
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the Tzar Guard did surprisingly well here :)
@@Andy4Life1306 they didn't even need it to win
What a weird result. No idea where the Tzar Guards pull this efficiency from, certainly not from the base stats anyway. I guess the Hoemaster's splash damage did them a bit of a disservice there, but still. They also should have no right beating the Executioners so soundly.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed on that. It will be interesting to see if they perform better in the How Good Is test :)
Arf, i expected a lot more from HE but looks like nothing can stop mother rus... kislev !! How do you manage to control both armies for those tests ?
Thanks for the comment. These are done in multiplayer with a friend :)
@@QualityGames-ql1jc Thanks !!
и как давно царская гвардия эльфийскую элиту режет?
A good question. I guess the units have not been changed recently, so at least for some time (in WH3) ;) Thanks for the comment.
За веру, царя и Отечество!
:) Thanks for the comment.
wtf Something is wrong
Yea, that was rather embarrassing for the hoemasters :) Thanks for the comment.
Absurd result
Agreed :) Thanks for the comment.
Эльф который тренируется несколько тысяч лет проигрывает человеку, которому 30-50лет😅😅. Воин хаоса который продал душу демонам хаоса, на что они им дали силу и все такое, тоже проигрывает обычному человеку еще и стоит по содержанию меньше на 100 золотых. CA совсем из ума выжили!!!! Не должно быть так! Скиньте пожалуйста им этот ролик кто нибудь
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the Tzar Guards are doing rather well in these tests :)
this is just straight up power creep and shitty balance. the tzar guard also have a ranged attack and the elves are meant to be THE elite faction, next to chaos and dwarves.
Tzar guard doesn't have range attack and never had.
Agreed that the results here were weird :) Thanks for the comment.
Мда...нет слов одни только эмоции. Какой пиздец...
Well put :D Thanks for the comment.
I hope CA will touch HE and DE units at some point, their infantry is just trash
Thanks for the comment. Yea, they did fare rather badly here :)
Don't know about de, but he infantry is very good. White lions are bread and butter of multiplayer battles and swordmasters are used quite frequently, though they are very vulnerable to artillery
@@williammclyr3330 Problem of HE high tier infantry is that they simpy not worth it. Better waste upkeep and money on archers units.
Base elf units stats maybe good, but in real campaign they only good for holding enemy troops and very weak against dwarfs/chaos dwarf stacks with art.
@@ultrastrategyman4805 it's false for mp battles completely. You cannot have a lot of archers and expect competent opponent to let them shoot. In campaign it works only because AI is stupid. And even against AI balanced armies works better, because you are not force to cheese battles with corner camping and can actually learn to play game
@@williammclyr3330 >it's false for mp battles completely
MP have their own balance for units aside from campaign. I talked about only singleplayer and I don't play mp
>And even against AI balanced armies works better,
No? 4 infantry units for one army is more than enough to holding the line and creating space for monsters/archers. Other units just outperform phoenix guard/hoeth masters, same with DE with black guard/executioners
А ведь несколько патчей назад ММ легко выигрывали царскую стражу
That was before the chaos dwarf dlc release patch during that patch CA for some retarded reason buffed the tzar guard who were by all means a good unit
Hmm. Interesting. :) Thanks for the comment.
Told ya... Only thing that can beat them are Chaos Chosen.
They will face Chosen later this week :) Thanks for the comment.
And exalted demons such as bloodletters and demonettes