I would have liked more detail or a link to more detailed information on Holland's journey and discoveries. The book this speaker has written comes highly recommended! I am looking forward to reading it in the future.
Dominion is an excellent book. Christianity has done a lot to unite the world. People take more from it than they realise. There's a great interview with Holland on the Speak Life channel.
unite? kinda like how the rhetoric from the catholic church that jews were responsible for jesus’s death until 1970 united europeans to vilify and kill jews?
I am not impressed with Protestant scholasticism that attempts to make an apology for "immoral Christians." Stop stepping all over the Bible and learn to accept the doctrines of Orthodox Christianity. Those who do righteously are righteous, and those who do unrighteously are of the devil. The Apostle Paul said that whatsoever is not of faith is sin, and that includes errant doctrine and false piety. ☦
We now live in a terribly moral world where if you dont agree with my standards, I will cancel you. This neccesiates every Christian to think through moral and other concepts, be filled with the spirit and to engage the world. Have an answer for everyman...
I think that it is important to qualify as well though the Christianity of Local Church or Imperial traditions and the Christianity that is from Jesus Christ. The acknowledgement of the sinfulness and loss in translation going into traditions is a real issue. Patriarchy, genocide, "superior race", God gold glory, destruction of Creation etc
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 Peter 5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
No girl i disagree, your premise in the argument is incorrect. If Christianity is the basis of the moral system today, than all humans that live on the earth that are not aware or refuse to follow Christian doctrine will absolutely have no moral basis for things like , hurting others, murder , destructive substance abuse etc. This is simply not true for those things are frowned on in EVERY culture besides culturally Christian ones. very western centric point of view right there. So in essence, you can argue that humans have an innate moral compass that lets them survive and thrive in human society, which was coopted by religion any religion really including Christianity by which you can now claim that originated that moral compass, no thanks, no high jacking of tangible human attributes by a cult belief system. ~Atheist
Your claim that every culture frowns on hurting others, murder is simply not true. It’s quite the opposite with pagan culture /traditional religion - where the lives of the weak and poor are worthless and totally subject to the whims and caprices of the strong and powerful. Don’t care what side of the globe you’re from: Europe,Africa, Asia, etc - it’s the same everywhere. You have archaeological discoveries of mass human sacrifices in EVERY society - Ireland (Europe), with the Incas (South America), Indians (Asia), Yorubas (Africa), either to gods or in honour of kings. These were not “murders” in the eyes of those who did these acts (and still do as these still happen in many indigenous societies) they are rituals, honour, rites - the people who perish as a result of this wickedness are nothing. So your statement is blatantly untrue and not a well thought-out argument. If you look at the world for what it is - the common thread connecting ALL humanity is the worthlessness of life in the hands of the powerful (and rich). Where was this innate moral compass you speak of during millennia of massive slave trade (EVERY dominant civilisation - thrived (and still thrives) on the back of slavery and a well-oiled machinery slave trade)? The innate human drive is to have dominion over and rule other people not serve them. That’s why from the beginning of time, human beings have seized, “owned”, bought and sold “lesser”/weaker men, women and children for gain, status and power. Where is your moral compass when you participate in the consumerism that impoverished and destroys the poor in undeveloped countries and fuels modern slave trade? We shouldn’t even speak of what older civilisations (or those with little or no exposure to Christianity did to captives from or prisoners of war). Everything in the history of human civilisation points to the fact that humans are not inherently “good”. The history of mankind shows actually shows that men do not “naturally” or “by default” give intrinsic value to the lives of other men.
Whereas Christianity /Judeo-Christian thought is different from this natural drive because our value for human life comes from the first chapter of the Bible - that every human (male or female) is made in the image of God (Gen 1:27): No life is worth more than another (“Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning... From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man… For in the image of God He made man” (Gen 9:5-6)). Throughout Scripture the strong are there to serve and protect the weak - In the end God himself would come to serve and die for men - the Creator for His creation. The fact is whether you like it or not (or are even aware of it) whatever moral moral compass you have which values all life as equal has been (directly or indirectly) been influenced by (Judeo)Christian thought or morality. Because the idea that all life has EQUAL value (every man being made in God’s image; “there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28) is completely antithetical to our natural impulses and values and every account of human history proves this to be true. (Not so) Fun fact: there are places where I come where people are buried alive with the old king in preparation for the coronation for the new king. This is just one of the many evils perpetrated against the weak by people who still according to their base humanistic tendencies (you don’t even want to know what they do to women).
Your misguided view is the reason why every atheistic attempt at society has failed or is rife with oppression. The reason why communism is a failure is that it’s based on the fallacy that men are good and have a moral compass that will enable them thrive without God. Whereas time and time again, what inevitably happens is that some men become “more equal” than others - the strong minority exploiting and murdering the weak masses. From the Cambodia to Cuba, Benin to Bosnia, communism has failed at every turn. The only places where it still exists are countries where the rights of the people and access to information, religion, of the people are severely curtailed and censored. The irony of your suggestion is that history has shown that the more godless / atheistic a society is, the more human rights violations and murders you have, the less justice there is and the more oppressive it becomes. For all your talk about thriving a society without any Christian values, you probably live in country which is influenced by them or has a strong Christian heritage. If your handle is your real name then the Soviet Union and every full expression of communism and atheist society proves you wrong. On the other hand the reason capitalism “works” so well is because it does not subscribe to this deluded view of humanity’s goodness - rather it recognises that human being are inherently selfish and creates an enabling and free environment and market that gives the consumer’s choice free reign. Inevitably the collective good is just a fallout of our individual pursuits. But even capitalism without God or at the very least the application of godly /Christian ideals will descend into revolution or anarchy. For capitalism to truly thrive, it must be restrained by Judeo-Christian principles of equal value of ALL human life, justice, service, and caring for the weak. Every human system either fails or is greatly flawed because God is inherently just and humans are not. Society fails to the extent that we exclude God and His rule from our lives. Your atheistic ideal is hell on earth (as the reality shows); however capitalism, which is the better of the two, tries to eat its cake and have it, hence the discontent. The Bottom line is that the world is a reflection of the mess that humans are as a result of sin.
The source of the world's problem is sin! Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). All of mankind are under sin and act accordingly (Romans 3:9-20). Sinful man's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). Sinful mankind is spiritual dead; they follow after the wicked one and are children of wrath and children of disobedience (Ephesians 2:1-3). The carnal mind is hostile against God (Romans 8:7). And Jesus Himself said the sinful world hates Him, God the Father, and Christians (John 15:18-23). Christians are not perfect and they will sin in the process of their sanctification, but if the unsaved world points a finger at the wrongs of Christians to justify their own self-righteousness and make them the blame for the world's ills, then the Gospel means nothing to them. Trying to blame Christians for the problems of the world is just another way to avoid what God calls them to do; repent and believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. As believers, we are called and sent to proclaim that message (Romans 10:14-17) so that sinners will be saved.
I don't have a problem with "Christianity" in general, but my issue is the idea that one group discovered the path to salvation and it's the "only" way. I too believed that most of my life being raised in a Christian home and attending Baptist school. I struggled with the fire and brimstone messaging and relentless altar calls. The God I felt was very different from the one I was told existed. I started studying, not out of rebellion but truly seeking, and once you discover how the Bible came to be, how many stories that pre-date it are similar, and that if we're all honest, we came from Catholicism, it changes things. I've also found that the majority of Christians don't know where their faith originated, they just accept doctrine. The worst part is they demand you do as well, and want to tell everyone how to live. I cannot see a good and loving father telling you to pick a door and if you choose wrong, eternal damnation. No, that's not right.
We’ll Christians weren’t the first ones to discover eternal life - it was always by faith - that’s how Abraham was saved. God used the Jews, His chosen people, to bring salvation to the world! and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.” Genesis 22:18 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness. Genesis 15;6
Which group of people discovered christianity? If they are many ways to God please name them ? If you knew how to save the world would you not be relentless even if others do not like it? Is he really God if he is defined by how you feel, considering feelings change every few seconds? When you say majority of Christians, do you mean you know all Christians? Is it not love that a father makes known to his children what makes them live(succeed)or die(fail) what makes them succeed or not? imagine your own children not taking heed of your advice on things you know by experience bring death into their lives because they feel its not right for a parent to do that. If God asked you this question how Would you answer him "You call me unloving and yet you have never sought to hear from me directly, you know me like a rumour, your conclusion on me is based on what you have heard others say about me the true and the false" My advice is you open your heart to God and not to man. If you truly want to know He is the one and only Ask him in prayer to have you understand His Word. And then open the bible expecting his response to that prayer just be commited enough the same way you did when you faced an examination of something. Just you and God youbowe that much befors concluding on Him and his way.
@@Kwkaruwo oh I believe in God, just not the same as you do. I never called him unloving either, but in typical fashion, you ignored what the person actually said and started preaching. You are exactly the type of person that is the reason I do not go to churches.
You have to accept Jesus Christ in your heart and be a true believer. That is the only way to heaven. We are born to sin, although Jesus died for our sins to be forgiven.. does not mean we can keep doing the same sins and keep asking for forgiveness knowing it's wrong without trying to fix our issues.
so we dont going to talk about that bible dont condemn slavery and that there are instructions how to trick then from timed punishment to life servitude. And by the example in this video does it proof that you dont need christianity to be moral. Could it be that morality come from within people and not from God true bible. I leave you with a quote. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg - theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate in elementary particles physics, let his legacy live forever (died July 23, 2021)
“Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know. He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches. David says about Him: ‘I saw the Lord always before me; because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. Therefor my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will dwell in hope, because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, nor will You let Your Holy One see decay. You have made known to me the paths of life; You will fill me with joy in Your presence.’ Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses. Exalted then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” ’ Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” Acts 2:22-36
TGC is so far gone, it is so sad. You lost me at marginalized. Wokeness has truly taken over every aspect of life now…stop using the gospel for your pandering.
"When we say…Jesus Christ…was produced without sexual union, and was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, ***we propound nothing new or different*** *from what you believe regarding those whom you call Sons of God. [In fact]…if anybody objects that [Jesus] was crucified, this is in* ***common*** *with the sons of Zeus (as you call them) who suffered, as previously listed [he listed Dionysus, Hercules, and Asclepius].* Since their fatal sufferings are all narrated as not similar but different, so his unique passion should not seem to be any worse." *Note how Justin (Martyr) is less of a fool than modern Christian apologists. He admits that differences don’t matter.* Since each and every one of the suffering and dying gods are slain by different means, one cannot argue the mytheme requires exactly the same means of death. “But Osiris can’t have inspired the Jesus myth because Osiris wasn’t nailed to a cross” is a stupid argument. The mytheme is simply death. Being killed. Suffering and dying. The exact mode of death can vary freely. It makes no difference to the existence and influence of the mytheme. It’s simply the particular instantiation of a generic abstraction. *And Justin’s argument (that Satan invented these fake religions to confuse people) entails Justin agreed the mytheme existed: indeed, it was demonically promulgated, multiple times. Intentionally.* *Likewise, Justin notices the mytheme is not virgin birth, but sexless conception. Of which many examples had already been popularized in pagan mythology (there just happens to also have been examples of actual virgin born gods as well). And by his argument (that the Devil was deliberately emulating the Jesus mytheme, in advance), Justin clearly accepted the same principle for “rising again” after death:* the particular exact metaphysics of the resurrection could, like the exact method of death or conception, vary freely. The mytheme consists solely of the abstraction: returning to life. Somehow. Some way. We will say bodily, at the very least. But what sort of body (the same one, a new one, a mortal one, an immortal one), didn’t matter. *If it had, Justin would have made the argument that “those gods” weren’t really resurrected. But that argument, never occurs to him. Nor did it to any other apologist of the first three centuries.* *Ancient Christians well knew there was nothing new about their dying-and-rising god. Not in respect to the mytheme.* Their claims were solely that his particular instantiation of it was better, and the only one that actually happened. *They didn’t make up the stupid modern arguments that dying-and-rising god myths didn’t exist or weren’t part of a common mytheme everyone knew about. For example, in the same century, Tertullian, in Prescription against Heretics 40, makes exactly the same argument as Justin. Funny that. They had better access to the evidence than we do. They knew what was really and widely the case. We should listen to them.* Google *"Dying-and-Rising Gods: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Ehrman Errs: Yes, Bart, There Were Dying & Rising Gods - atheologica"* Watch *"Dying & Rising Gods: A Response to William Lane Craig"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica. *"The First Easters: Death and Resurrection Before Christ | atheologica"* *"The Christs Before Christ: Tammuz-Adonis | atheologica"* Watch *"Asclepius: The Pre-Christian Healer & Savior"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica *"Virgin Birth: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"* *"5 Pagan Parallels to Jesus That Actually Aren’t Bullshit - Atheomedy"* *"Christian Apologetics: The Art of Deceit - Atheomedy"* *"Isaiah 53 & the Suffering Servant | atheologica"* *"Defending the Resurrection: It’s Easy if You Lie! - Atheomedy"* *"Rising Gods, Pagan Parallels, and Cultural Context: A Response to M. David Litwa | atheologica"* *"An Evidence Attested Resurrection? - chromosome two"* *"The Empty Tomb: A Rhetorical Dead End - atheologica"* *"Theological Dodgeball: On the Posturing of Faith over Reason | atheologica"* *"Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* A good site written by an actual Biblical scholar. *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"* *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"* Also: *"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"*
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
I would have liked more detail or a link to more detailed information on Holland's journey and discoveries.
The book this speaker has written comes highly recommended! I am looking forward to reading it in the future.
I'm going straight to Heaven when I die in the loving name of Jesus Christ. No human being controls my destiny or validates me. Facts.
Laughing out loud
Wow, I appreciate your video. An honest thank you.
Dominion is an excellent book. Christianity has done a lot to unite the world. People take more from it than they realise. There's a great interview with Holland on the Speak Life channel.
unite? kinda like how the rhetoric from the catholic church that jews were responsible for jesus’s death until 1970 united europeans to vilify and kill jews?
I am not impressed with Protestant scholasticism that attempts to make an apology for "immoral Christians." Stop stepping all over the Bible and learn to accept the doctrines of Orthodox Christianity.
Those who do righteously are righteous, and those who do unrighteously are of the devil.
The Apostle Paul said that whatsoever is not of faith is sin, and that includes errant doctrine and false piety. ☦
@PETER JOHN BRANDAL
I’m guessing that, by implication, that would include your own errant doctrine and your own false piety. Is that correct?
Excellent book that has helped me so much! I loved the womens conference and hearing Rebecca speak. Thankful for the gospel coalition!
We now live in a terribly moral world where if you dont agree with my standards, I will cancel you. This neccesiates every Christian to think through moral and other concepts, be filled with the spirit and to engage the world.
Have an answer for everyman...
I think that it is important to qualify as well though the Christianity of Local Church or Imperial traditions and the Christianity that is from Jesus Christ. The acknowledgement of the sinfulness and loss in translation going into traditions is a real issue. Patriarchy, genocide, "superior race", God gold glory, destruction of Creation etc
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No! But the world's response to it and it's Lord and Savior is.
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Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 Peter 5:12
By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
James 4:10
Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
No girl i disagree, your premise in the argument is incorrect. If Christianity is the basis of the moral system today, than all humans that live on the earth that are not aware or refuse to follow Christian doctrine will absolutely have no moral basis for things like , hurting others, murder , destructive substance abuse etc. This is simply not true for those things are frowned on in EVERY culture besides culturally Christian ones. very western centric point of view right there.
So in essence, you can argue that humans have an innate moral compass that lets them survive and thrive in human society, which was coopted by religion any religion really including Christianity by which you can now claim that originated that moral compass, no thanks, no high jacking of tangible human attributes by a cult belief system.
~Atheist
Your claim that every culture frowns on hurting others, murder is simply not true. It’s quite the opposite with pagan culture /traditional religion - where the lives of the weak and poor are worthless and totally subject to the whims and caprices of the strong and powerful. Don’t care what side of the globe you’re from: Europe,Africa, Asia, etc - it’s the same everywhere. You have archaeological discoveries of mass human sacrifices in EVERY society - Ireland (Europe), with the Incas (South America), Indians (Asia), Yorubas (Africa), either to gods or in honour of kings. These were not “murders” in the eyes of those who did these acts (and still do as these still happen in many indigenous societies) they are rituals, honour, rites - the people who perish as a result of this wickedness are nothing.
So your statement is blatantly untrue and not a well thought-out argument. If you look at the world for what it is - the common thread connecting ALL humanity is the worthlessness of life in the hands of the powerful (and rich). Where was this innate moral compass you speak of during millennia of massive slave trade (EVERY dominant civilisation - thrived (and still thrives) on the back of slavery and a well-oiled machinery slave trade)? The innate human drive is to have dominion over and rule other people not serve them. That’s why from the beginning of time, human beings have seized, “owned”, bought and sold “lesser”/weaker men, women and children for gain, status and power. Where is your moral compass when you participate in the consumerism that impoverished and destroys the poor in undeveloped countries and fuels modern slave trade? We shouldn’t even speak of what older civilisations (or those with little or no exposure to Christianity did to captives from or prisoners of war). Everything in the history of human civilisation points to the fact that humans are not inherently “good”. The history of mankind shows actually shows that men do not “naturally” or “by default” give intrinsic value to the lives of other men.
Whereas Christianity /Judeo-Christian thought is different from this natural drive because our value for human life comes from the first chapter of the Bible - that every human (male or female) is made in the image of God (Gen 1:27): No life is worth more than another (“Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning... From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man… For in the image of God He made man” (Gen 9:5-6)). Throughout Scripture the strong are there to serve and protect the weak - In the end God himself would come to serve and die for men - the Creator for His creation.
The fact is whether you like it or not (or are even aware of it) whatever moral moral compass you have which values all life as equal has been (directly or indirectly) been influenced by (Judeo)Christian thought or morality. Because the idea that all life has EQUAL value (every man being made in God’s image; “there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28) is completely antithetical to our natural impulses and values and every account of human history proves this to be true.
(Not so) Fun fact: there are places where I come where people are buried alive with the old king in preparation for the coronation for the new king. This is just one of the many evils perpetrated against the weak by people who still according to their base humanistic tendencies (you don’t even want to know what they do to women).
Your misguided view is the reason why every atheistic attempt at society has failed or is rife with oppression. The reason why communism is a failure is that it’s based on the fallacy that men are good and have a moral compass that will enable them thrive without God. Whereas time and time again, what inevitably happens is that some men become “more equal” than others - the strong minority exploiting and murdering the weak masses. From the Cambodia to Cuba, Benin to Bosnia, communism has failed at every turn. The only places where it still exists are countries where the rights of the people and access to information, religion, of the people are severely curtailed and censored. The irony of your suggestion is that history has shown that the more godless / atheistic a society is, the more human rights violations and murders you have, the less justice there is and the more oppressive it becomes.
For all your talk about thriving a society without any Christian values, you probably live in country which is influenced by them or has a strong Christian heritage. If your handle is your real name then the Soviet Union and every full expression of communism and atheist society proves you wrong.
On the other hand the reason capitalism “works” so well is because it does not subscribe to this deluded view of humanity’s goodness - rather it recognises that human being are inherently selfish and creates an enabling and free environment and market that gives the consumer’s choice free reign. Inevitably the collective good is just a fallout of our individual pursuits. But even capitalism without God or at the very least the application of godly /Christian ideals will descend into revolution or anarchy. For capitalism to truly thrive, it must be restrained by Judeo-Christian principles of equal value of ALL human life, justice, service, and caring for the weak.
Every human system either fails or is greatly flawed because God is inherently just and humans are not. Society fails to the extent that we exclude God and His rule from our lives. Your atheistic ideal is hell on earth (as the reality shows); however capitalism, which is the better of the two, tries to eat its cake and have it, hence the discontent. The Bottom line is that the world is a reflection of the mess that humans are as a result of sin.
Well said
The source of the world's problem is sin! Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). All of mankind are under sin and act accordingly (Romans 3:9-20). Sinful man's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). Sinful mankind is spiritual dead; they follow after the wicked one and are children of wrath and children of disobedience (Ephesians 2:1-3). The carnal mind is hostile against God (Romans 8:7). And Jesus Himself said the sinful world hates Him, God the Father, and Christians (John 15:18-23).
Christians are not perfect and they will sin in the process of their sanctification, but if the unsaved world points a finger at the wrongs of Christians to justify their own self-righteousness and make them the blame for the world's ills, then the Gospel means nothing to them. Trying to blame Christians for the problems of the world is just another way to avoid what God calls them to do; repent and believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. As believers, we are called and sent to proclaim that message (Romans 10:14-17) so that sinners will be saved.
I don't have a problem with "Christianity" in general, but my issue is the idea that one group discovered the path to salvation and it's the "only" way. I too believed that most of my life being raised in a Christian home and attending Baptist school. I struggled with the fire and brimstone messaging and relentless altar calls. The God I felt was very different from the one I was told existed. I started studying, not out of rebellion but truly seeking, and once you discover how the Bible came to be, how many stories that pre-date it are similar, and that if we're all honest, we came from Catholicism, it changes things. I've also found that the majority of Christians don't know where their faith originated, they just accept doctrine. The worst part is they demand you do as well, and want to tell everyone how to live. I cannot see a good and loving father telling you to pick a door and if you choose wrong, eternal damnation. No, that's not right.
I don't think you truly understand Christianity then.
We’ll Christians weren’t the first ones to discover eternal life - it was always by faith - that’s how Abraham was saved.
God used the Jews, His chosen people, to bring salvation to the world!
and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:18
And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
Genesis 15;6
Which group of people discovered christianity? If they are many ways to God please name them ? If you knew how to save the world would you not be relentless even if others do not like it? Is he really God if he is defined by how you feel, considering feelings change every few seconds? When you say majority of Christians, do you mean you know all Christians? Is it not love that a father makes known to his children what makes them live(succeed)or die(fail) what makes them succeed or not?
imagine your own children not taking heed of your advice on things you know by experience bring death into their lives because they feel its not right for a parent to do that.
If God asked you this question how Would you answer him "You call me unloving and yet you have never sought to hear from me directly, you know me like a rumour, your conclusion on me is based on what you have heard others say about me the true and the false"
My advice is you open your heart to God and not to man. If you truly want to know He is the one and only Ask him in prayer to have you understand His Word. And then open the bible expecting his response to that prayer just be commited enough the same way you did when you faced an examination of something. Just you and God youbowe that much befors concluding on Him and his way.
@@Kwkaruwo oh I believe in God, just not the same as you do. I never called him unloving either, but in typical fashion, you ignored what the person actually said and started preaching. You are exactly the type of person that is the reason I do not go to churches.
You have to accept Jesus Christ in your heart and be a true believer. That is the only way to heaven. We are born to sin, although Jesus died for our sins to be forgiven.. does not mean we can keep doing the same sins and keep asking for forgiveness knowing it's wrong without trying to fix our issues.
so we dont going to talk about that bible dont condemn slavery and that there are instructions how to trick then from timed punishment to life servitude. And by the example in this video does it proof that you dont need christianity to be moral. Could it be that morality come from within people and not from God true bible.
I leave you with a quote.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg - theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate in elementary particles physics, let his legacy live forever (died July 23, 2021)
I didn't know Spiderman wrote books.... learn something new every day.
“Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know. He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.
David says about Him:
‘I saw the Lord always before me;
because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.
Therefor my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will dwell in hope,
because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,
nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.
You have made known to me the paths of life;
You will fill me with joy in Your presence.’
Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
Exalted then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’
Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”
Acts 2:22-36
TGC is so far gone, it is so sad. You lost me at marginalized. Wokeness has truly taken over every aspect of life now…stop using the gospel for your pandering.
"When we say…Jesus Christ…was produced without sexual union, and was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, ***we propound nothing new or different*** *from what you believe regarding those whom you call Sons of God. [In fact]…if anybody objects that [Jesus] was crucified, this is in* ***common*** *with the sons of Zeus (as you call them) who suffered, as previously listed [he listed Dionysus, Hercules, and Asclepius].* Since their fatal sufferings are all narrated as not similar but different, so his unique passion should not seem to be any worse."
*Note how Justin (Martyr) is less of a fool than modern Christian apologists. He admits that differences don’t matter.* Since each and every one of the suffering and dying gods are slain by different means, one cannot argue the mytheme requires exactly the same means of death. “But Osiris can’t have inspired the Jesus myth because Osiris wasn’t nailed to a cross” is a stupid argument. The mytheme is simply death. Being killed. Suffering and dying. The exact mode of death can vary freely. It makes no difference to the existence and influence of the mytheme. It’s simply the particular instantiation of a generic abstraction. *And Justin’s argument (that Satan invented these fake religions to confuse people) entails Justin agreed the mytheme existed: indeed, it was demonically promulgated, multiple times. Intentionally.*
*Likewise, Justin notices the mytheme is not virgin birth, but sexless conception. Of which many examples had already been popularized in pagan mythology (there just happens to also have been examples of actual virgin born gods as well). And by his argument (that the Devil was deliberately emulating the Jesus mytheme, in advance), Justin clearly accepted the same principle for “rising again” after death:* the particular exact metaphysics of the resurrection could, like the exact method of death or conception, vary freely. The mytheme consists solely of the abstraction: returning to life. Somehow. Some way. We will say bodily, at the very least. But what sort of body (the same one, a new one, a mortal one, an immortal one), didn’t matter. *If it had, Justin would have made the argument that “those gods” weren’t really resurrected. But that argument, never occurs to him. Nor did it to any other apologist of the first three centuries.*
*Ancient Christians well knew there was nothing new about their dying-and-rising god. Not in respect to the mytheme.* Their claims were solely that his particular instantiation of it was better, and the only one that actually happened. *They didn’t make up the stupid modern arguments that dying-and-rising god myths didn’t exist or weren’t part of a common mytheme everyone knew about. For example, in the same century, Tertullian, in Prescription against Heretics 40, makes exactly the same argument as Justin. Funny that. They had better access to the evidence than we do. They knew what was really and widely the case. We should listen to them.*
Google *"Dying-and-Rising Gods: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Ehrman Errs: Yes, Bart, There Were Dying & Rising Gods - atheologica"*
Watch *"Dying & Rising Gods: A Response to William Lane Craig"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
*"The First Easters: Death and Resurrection Before Christ | atheologica"*
*"The Christs Before Christ: Tammuz-Adonis | atheologica"*
Watch *"Asclepius: The Pre-Christian Healer & Savior"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
*"Virgin Birth: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"*
*"5 Pagan Parallels to Jesus That Actually Aren’t Bullshit - Atheomedy"*
*"Christian Apologetics: The Art of Deceit - Atheomedy"*
*"Isaiah 53 & the Suffering Servant | atheologica"*
*"Defending the Resurrection: It’s Easy if You Lie! - Atheomedy"*
*"Rising Gods, Pagan Parallels, and Cultural Context: A Response to M. David Litwa | atheologica"*
*"An Evidence Attested Resurrection? - chromosome two"*
*"The Empty Tomb: A Rhetorical Dead End - atheologica"*
*"Theological Dodgeball: On the Posturing of Faith over Reason | atheologica"*
*"Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
A good site written by an actual Biblical scholar.
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"*
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*
Also:
*"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"*
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work