@@ugs192But US air players have no idea of what they are doing so Gaijin can't nerf it. US mid tier air players are the equivalent of German mid tier ground players.
@@ousou78 the xp50 is just so obviously overpowered, American players from reserve to around 6.0 have no idea what they are doing but with that things climb rate it makes it so easy for bad players to get kills with it
@@ousou78 Haha I am guilty as charged. Since I don’t play the thing for a day I always get rusty and hate the focused /narrow fire beam. I dislike it and fail in it as much that I have a negative K/D in de XP-40, so only fair Gaijin does not up tier is 😊
2 years ago F-5C along with A-10A (Premium version) always bested by F-8E Crusader because back then F-4S and F-20 Tigershark wasn't available yet, so new players bought this instead.
I know it’s improbable, that whoever is reading this will care but I think it’s time war thunder changed Currently, if you are free to play your experiencing Non-zero sum gameplay Where is your repair cost is more than the reward gained from the loss (their repair cost) of another player the only exception being 1.0 non reserves where killing a player creates a reward greater than their loss or to other options you pay gaijin for a premium vehicle or pay essentially a subscription fee for a premium account with benefits that affect every game and not just games played in a premium vehicle It is for gajijns best interest to keep the game a non zero sum as it adds incentives to pay them to have a zero sum experience As you can only achieve for board without the loss of another players by killing AI or destroying bases and this can’t be achieved without being interrupted by other players and is not sustainable or enjoyable for both parties from a gameplay loop perspective It is highly incentivized to keep it this way so that players are more inclined to give them money which I have no qualms with as they have to get money somewhere but I don’t believe this shouldnt be at the expense of the free to play players
I get what you're saying but what monetization solution would you propose? There should be a consequence to throwing your plane away, that's necessary for gameplay, so what change do you propose?
@@Breakfast598up the time penalty for leaving battles early or crashing. honestly they should heavily reduce repair costs. There’s almost no valid reason to keep it around. It’s neither a necessary function nor player friendly. It’s just a shitty incentive to pay.
after the steam boycott gaijin buffed the economy, i play sweden which is one the most expensive nation to play and yet i made credit. if you are a f2p you should grind sweden until you got l62 anti and pvkv4
I feel as if the XP-55 is overlooked. Its turn time is much less then the stats say. In some scenarios you can out turn spitfires. Generous 20mm ammo and 50 cal as well. Its a monster, i have basically grinded 80% of the USA tech tree with this thing. My fav plane in the entire game.
Funny coincidence, because I just bought the XP-50 yesterday to start my second tech tree and I must say it‘s very fun to play! Only thing I struggle with is adapting to props and crew lv 1 again after mainly playing ussr top tier the past few months
I'd take the XP-55 over the XP-50 any day of the week, anything it can't out turn it can out run and it is actually pretty good in ground forces as having 2 50s and 2 20mm in so tight a grouping rips through lights and the tops of most mediums.
I just hope that gaijin will someday remake the Miss calculations that they did with the f2g so i can get another top shelf high tier premium aircraft without paying a dime
As an Air AB Player, going off the planes I currently have (and sorry if I accidently use an event one or otherwise unavailable as I've forgotten with how long I've had some) 1: XP-50 - It's climb rate makes it like the F-15 of the WW2 era. And at least in this mode - it has a surprising amount of agility, second maybe to the XF5F in that BR range among twin engines. Really lives up to the 'interceptor' role. 2: The AV-8A - It can actually turn pretty good, and it's great at low speeds with enough power to actually maneuver without worrying as much about the energy loss. Also I love all the 'lol I go Mach 1 and spam missiles' scrubs who think it's a sitting duck and XP gift. I mean yeah, they probably assume I'm someone who bought my way to the rank - not someone who had pretty much the entire US line unlocked and only bought it during the last 50% off sale before it was pulled. And those 30 mm guns can hurt. 3: The A-10A: Unless I want to hit a base, or some extra firepower for ground targets - because yes I'm the guy willing to play the objective and have my K/D suffer for it, I can run it with just 2 AIM-9L's and laugh when I actually sucker the supersonic planes in to a dogfight with it. They never quite understand the whole 'my plane is meant to handle at 3-400 km/h hour and yours is now a sitting duck at that speed'. It feels like a heavier WW2 plane which is probably why I like it. Also downing planes with it's 30 mm cannon is hilarious. 4: BTD-1 - a little lacking in firepower with only 2x 20 mm guns, but it's fast, pretty agile, and when I play naval arcade, cause I'm one of the few that do, it's ability to carry 2 mines, 2 torpedoes, or two bombs at a 3.7 BR makes it an absolute menace. 5: A6M2 - Much as I'd like to put one of the other American made planes on the list, they are all either event, unavailable, or recently pulled in the case of the YP-38, but also - it's just so damn good. But I'm biased because even at high tier, where the reliance on AIM-120's, 9M's, and their foreign counterparts is really ticking me off, I'm the guy that actually wants to get in a dogfight where it may come down to guns not missiles, so the lower/mid tiers where it's really about who can make their plane turn faster is really where I thrive and the A6M's are perfect for my preferred play style save for the lack of durability.
@@BeerSougion I've found it's best to think of them as 'bombs with a bigger margin of error' - a direct hit is the same as dropping a similar sized, possibly even bigger, bomb on them and so can sink DD's or badly damage/sink cruisers. But if you miss dropping too soon or landing in front, or even a little to the side it can still hit, now below the water line, and still sink or severely damage ships. More so if you account for ships that are paying more attention and trying to turn and throw your aim off as they can end up turning in a way that makes them hit the mine trying to dodge a standard bomb (because almost no one uses mines). Alternatively - if you see someone getting close to a base you can try and be more proactive and drop them where you think they'll enter and be - best case scenario you hit them, with a possible worst case of you force them to take a different path in which can buy your team time to get a better shot on them so they can't capture it or recapture it with less points taken off cause of the delay. Or find the choke points certain maps have between islands and the like people use and drop them there - as it can then be hard for them to be avoided other than them completely avoiding the area. And sometimes - even when you completely miss someone - some other guy will just blunder in to it and get you a kill like 5 minutes later. The highest percentage of my kills is using them like bombs with a margin of error, followed by choke points, then capture points/area blocking, and finally 'some random guy hit one I missed with'. I know it probably seems dumb to use them more like bombs when I can just carry bombs - but other than I believe a higher explosive yield - the fact they are so unexpected makes them excellent to take advantage of usual tactics meant to defeat dive/level bombing attacks by making use of the fact they are a mine, and will float and only detonate when hit - so someone thinking their safe suddenly has a massive hole in their ship or their magazine gets detonated.
@@anthony7697 Thanks man. I was never convinced about the denial of entry use of them. But if it works then one should bring an PB4Y with 8 of them every 30 seconds. Although with all the radar aiming and even fucking rockets big bombers are kind of hard to play.
@@BeerSougion Yeah - entry denial is, no pun intended, very hit or miss at times - a few where I'm not sure how they dodged. Why most of my success is using them more like bombs or actually cutting off a choke point where if someone goes in they can't dodge it. And putting aside things like the Douglas (as someone that has one - it should not be anywhere near that BR with any kind of guided missile) I can tell you without radar aiming if I have a ship with AA rounds in the main gun I can knockout a big, slow heavy bomber pretty easy. And trying to drop level from altitude your basically gonna be hoping to cover an area with a small minefield that denies the area or someone blunders in to. The reason the BTD works is because it's quite fast and decently agile. I'll dive bomb if I can but I do a lot of basically water level flying at high speed using the terrain as cover - somewhat exploiting the fact that it can be used as a dive or level bomber and so maintains the impact point no matter what. Plus at 3.7 - it can encounter a lot of weaker AA ships, especially if you only run a 4.0-4.3 line up. A bit dicier against some of the 5.0 and up that can be AA monsters - especially the Gaijin SKR-1 bots and the like that have sniped me as I've spawned. I use similar tactics with bombs on fighters albeit I have to either pull up enough to dive at the last second for a quick aimpoint, or trust I've done it enough to know where it'll land to ram 500 lb or larger bombs into the side of a DD and detonate the magazine.
@@Douwe02 I usually go wide and go after the convoys. It’s just a personal fun mode to ingress, strike and then egress without getting killed. Kind of how they were really used. I do the same in an A10.
.50cals on the BR of the P-47 just don't work good enough anymore. You just don't do enough damage in the increasingly shorter timeframe where you can actually hit the enemy.
its a joke that even after years xp50 is still at 4.0 but hey so was wyvern and it only went up 0.3 changing basicly nothing so... the very least they could to is to remove its airspawn but hey that would be too balanced
Glad to see I'm not the only one who had a small stroke when the F5C was dragged up. An 11.0 who's sole advantage over the 9.7 T-2 is flares P.S. anyone else still sore they took away the armor package it had IRL?
@@ronaldthompson4989 f5c has much better flight performance than T2 in terms of energy retention, turn, and maneuverability. I’m not saying F5C is a worthy 11.0, but it’s basically a dog fight god when it’s in 10.3 and is better than T2 in any possible way
Recommending the f5c with the assumption it might get its br fixed is criminal. Putting way too much faith in the snail. How many updates after releasing new premiums, have the old premiums ate dicks to them? Feels like everyone with premium releases tbh. They want you to buy the new ones
I honestly disagree with the AV-8A in this list, the F-4S Phantom can easily take its spot in this list (and even over the substitute F-20, since it's overpriced crap), it's a missile truck that can easily compete with the early F-16s, F-14s and F-15s, can not only do very well in air modes but also ground modes with the sheer amount of bombs it can carry but it's also very maneuverable and can go super-sonic.
Only problem is almost every US vehicle is over-br'd or has something missing/not working properly. Its really sad and hard to recommend anything but the F-5C IMO since it is the only thing to my knowledge right now that isnt over-br'd and isnt artificially gimped. It was at a great BR (havent looked at the recent BR changes much). It shoudlve absolutely been #1 -The F-5C should be #1. Of all the planes shown its the only one i would ever instinctively recommend, it is almost universally good for nearly every possible role. It is an excellent fighter, one of few that actually requires you to play the old way (dogfight like a prop) which is much more fun than missile slinging IMO. it is also pretty good at CAS in ground despite having no CCIP. Bullpups are very skill dependent and i used to use them alot very effectively, however last time i used them they seemed to either nerf or mess up the controls on bullpups and made them almost unusable because of how sensitive they were after that update. I havent checked to see how they are now, but based on how they were last time i used them, dont bother using them as a guided weapon, just use them as a dumb rocket (which has its own learning curve since unfortunately Bullpups need to pretty much hit directly to kill despite being equal to a 250lb bomb). If you dont use the bullpups, the Zunis are wonderful if you can aim them, and the bombs are reliable if you are good at aiming them too; skip over the FFAR rockets though, theyre just as bad as they are in lower BRs. The F-5C is still to my knowledge and absolute no-brainer must buy. It is far better than its over-br'd sibling the F-20A, and is much better than the very sad F-4S Phantom. Even if its BR for Air is now bad (since as i said i havent checked it since the recent BR changes) its performance in ground as either anti-CAS or CAS itself will be good despite needing more skill and knowledge involved due to the lack of CCIP of any kind. Its BR in ground is still its old 10.3 BR. -The A-6E TRAM is one of the most broken and over-br'd premium aircraft available right now in the US tree. It is a pile of dogshit worse than the A-10. The Paveway II bombs as well as the new AGM-123 Skippers are completely broken and effectively non-functional; they dont glide or target properly like they are meant to IRL and due to this the A-6E is incapable of properly performing standoff or long range CAS. Gaijin added the Skippers in their own words to "increase range and targeting capability at higher BR" yet they refuse to fix this issue despite me reporting it multiple times. The skipper which is meant to basically be a missile, literally nose dives right off the rail due to the lack of gliding and improper targeting of paveway II bombs right now. They've moved the A-6E up in BR based on its previous performance before the Paveways got broken and it has even moved up WITH this bug. As a CAS aircraft currently it is only good with dumb weapons. Additionally, it suffers from not being able to equip a countermeasure pod on the belly pylon like the AV-8 can, it doesnt hold many on its own. The gun is shit for both air and ground purposes due to both the gun itself being bad as well as the default belt and other belt options being pretty terrible. It is quite literally just a mediocre missile bus or dumb CAS plane at this point with way too high a BR in ground. It also has an issue with nosediving when rolling at high speed that no other plane using flaperons has, which Gaijin also has not fixed This plane shouldnt even be on the list, it is unusably bad for most situations and is literally a broken unfinished/unfixed product. -The AV-8A Is very fun to use, though it can struggle at times if you dont get the hang of it. It does pretty much entirely rely on missiles but the guns CAN be effective if you get the hang of their velocity. Theyre slow but hit pretty hard usually. For groud attack it is pretty effective even with no smart weapons, only downfall is the lack of RWR so you'll get killed by SPAA you have no idea is there quite often. It also can take a countermeasure pod on the belly unlike the A-ShitE TRAM which is very helpful. The only issue it really has for what it is, is a wonky rudder and the engine overheats quickly above 90% which can be annoying since you instinctively will want to hold W in combat to control throttle without looking at the throttle %; this is also partiially because Gaijin hasnt modeled the throttle to be as user-friendly as the AV-8 II's which wont overheat hardly at all at 100%. -The A2G-1 is pretty solid and a good CAS plane as well. No complaints besides facing some jets in Air-RB is really punishing and .50 cal damage is lackluster, not having cannons is definitely something you feel holding you down. A solid pick if you play on PC. -The A2D-1 is a sad plane. Its decent but it is now over-br'd in both air and ground at 7.0. The only thing making up for it is the funny 4,000lb bomb with a relatively large kill radius for CAS. But its really not enough. This plane used to go perfect alongside the T29 but they both got over-br'd and moved from 6.7 where they belong to 7.0 due to "statistics". The A2D-1 in its case was moved up simply because it was being spammed when it first came out to almost instantly win games by rushing ground targets in Air and killing almost all targets before the enemy could get there due to its airspawn. Its performance doesnt justify 7.0, it also isnt spammed anymore anyway. -The P-47M in Air is not meta and it is a very boring and passive playstyle required to do good. By the time you can use it properly the match is basically over. Unless you're a diehard P-47 lover, the P-47M isnt super good. Its a bit over-br'd and its lack of cannons hinders both its performance against aircraft as well as ground targets. Having 8 of them is definitely helpful for making up for that lack of damage against aircraft but its still noticeably lacking compared to cannons; and unfortunately having 8 of the same gun doesnt increase their penetration, which means it wont make up for its lack of ground capability, you need cannons. Granted it will still shred a super light tank alot faster with 8x .50s than a plane with 6x .50s. You still have the same basic ordnance available to nearly every other P-47, so its ground attack performance is unchanged, whether that be good or bad is up to you. It is quite expensive though when it is available. -The A-1H is an excellent plane for CAS. It is very clearly an old bird with more modern options and features which makes it unique and quite effective at doing certain things other Skyraiders cant. Dont be fooled by the countermeasures though, if you are above your BR and facing radar SPAA, chaff let alone flares isnt going to save you. Its air to air capabilities are not good but its not a fighter anyway; however running a full minigun loadout and just spraying at any poor soul within range is hilarious, 7.62 may suck but a wall of 8x 7.62 at over 1,000 RPM is something of a different monster entirely. If you can buy it, its worth it; its a very good CAS plane at 6.3 and having Zuni rockets at that BR allows you to match up against SPAA you normally would struggle against if you learn their trajectory; its very impressive what a well aimed Zuni is capable of. Its especially good at destroying the cancer that is OP Russian and German SPAA. If you play on PC pick it up. The 6.3/6.7 lineup for USA in ground isnt that good but the A-1H will make any good performance on the ground create a whole new monster in the air to make up for it. I recommend having atleast 2 miniguns on every CAS loadout as backup and/or support for anti-air. The cannons are great but the problem is theyre good against tanks too, so you'll be using that ammo quite a bit against tanks and may not have enough for an extended dogfight. A few miniguns can help shorten that dogfight. -The A-10A (Since it was mentioned but not shown) is terrible, do not buy it. In Air you are nothing but a free kill, and in ground it sucks to use. However it is better than the A-ShitE TRAM. -The XP-50 is a very good plane. Despite what people say, it shouldnt be moved up in BR. It's not OP. It is basically a US made BF-109 with less ammo but more punch. The only thing wrong with it is that i needs its airspawn removed for balance reasons, the only reason why people say its OP is because of that airspawn after you filter out their bullshit. The only other issue with it is the complete lack of ordnance. This is PURELY a fighter, but i would absolutely recommend buying it. Just watch your ammo and dont try to take on more than 2 people at a time. I recommend playing with a squad too so you have actual backup. Its one of very few US premiums that isnt over-br'd garbage that's been kneecapped by Gaijin. Get it and play it before the USA tax is applied to it as well. This comment had to be significantly shortened and reduced in detail due to what im guessing is a character limit. Sorry. Im 10 year vet of WarSuffer and had alot more insight to share about each vehicle but TH-cam cant handle it. This also isnt in order of how i recommend these vehicles, its just in order of how i typed them while watching the video.
The P-59 has to be on a list like this, it’s extremely OP at its BR if you know what you’re doing (which the average U.S. player at that BR does not, but oh well)
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IF the XP-50 is not on it, i would be very surpised :)
Ha! N ice
That thing is cancer
@@ugs192But US air players have no idea of what they are doing so Gaijin can't nerf it.
US mid tier air players are the equivalent of German mid tier ground players.
@@ousou78 the xp50 is just so obviously overpowered, American players from reserve to around 6.0 have no idea what they are doing but with that things climb rate it makes it so easy for bad players to get kills with it
@@ousou78 Haha I am guilty as charged. Since I don’t play the thing for a day I always get rusty and hate the focused /narrow fire beam. I dislike it and fail in it as much that I have a negative K/D in de XP-40, so only fair Gaijin does not up tier is 😊
2 years ago F-5C along with A-10A (Premium version) always bested by F-8E Crusader because back then F-4S and F-20 Tigershark wasn't available yet, so new players bought this instead.
Im honestly surprised the F4S isnt here
Rockets nerfed and it got moved to 12.0. Gets outclassed by F-20 in everything but price😭
@@Viggenenjoyeruntrue but ok
@@mikeyplayzwrld prove me wrong
I know it’s improbable, that whoever is reading this will care but I think it’s time war thunder changed
Currently, if you are free to play your experiencing Non-zero sum gameplay Where is your repair cost is more than the reward gained from the loss (their repair cost) of another player the only exception being 1.0 non reserves where killing a player creates a reward greater than their loss or to other options you pay gaijin for a premium vehicle or pay essentially a subscription fee for a premium account with benefits that affect every game and not just games played in a premium vehicle
It is for gajijns best interest to keep the game a non zero sum as it adds incentives to pay them to have a zero sum experience As you can only achieve for board without the loss of another players by killing AI or destroying bases and this can’t be achieved without being interrupted by other players and is not sustainable or enjoyable for both parties from a gameplay loop perspective
It is highly incentivized to keep it this way so that players are more inclined to give them money which I have no qualms with as they have to get money somewhere but I don’t believe this shouldnt be at the expense of the free to play players
I get what you're saying but what monetization solution would you propose? There should be a consequence to throwing your plane away, that's necessary for gameplay, so what change do you propose?
@@Breakfast598up the time penalty for leaving battles early or crashing. honestly they should heavily reduce repair costs. There’s almost no valid reason to keep it around. It’s neither a necessary function nor player friendly. It’s just a shitty incentive to pay.
@@krispyjuniors7734 Get a job
after the steam boycott gaijin buffed the economy, i play sweden which is one the most expensive nation to play and yet i made credit. if you are a f2p you should grind sweden until you got l62 anti and pvkv4
@@tdpro3607i played sweden and france and still make sl
Kinda crazy that the AV-8A is above the F-5C these days. How times have changed.
I feel as if the XP-55 is overlooked. Its turn time is much less then the stats say. In some scenarios you can out turn spitfires. Generous 20mm ammo and 50 cal as well. Its a monster, i have basically grinded 80% of the USA tech tree with this thing. My fav plane in the entire game.
I love it because have more ammo that the Xp50 and turn better😆
Funny coincidence, because I just bought the XP-50 yesterday to start my second tech tree and I must say it‘s very fun to play! Only thing I struggle with is adapting to props and crew lv 1 again after mainly playing ussr top tier the past few months
I really like playing the f5c but at its current br it gets nothing but full upteirs all the time. Its a shame considering how fun it is
I'd take the XP-55 over the XP-50 any day of the week, anything it can't out turn it can out run and it is actually pretty good in ground forces as having 2 50s and 2 20mm in so tight a grouping rips through lights and the tops of most mediums.
I would have agreed if the XP-55 was a rank III..
I just hope that gaijin will someday remake the Miss calculations that they did with the f2g so i can get another top shelf high tier premium aircraft without paying a dime
What is a better pick in the PlayStation summer sale? The A5c or j7d? I already have the ztz96p and i want to grind the air tree
A5 if you’re playing ground and the J7 if you’re doing mainly air stuff
The J-7 easily, it's a better MiG-21 BIS at a lower BR
Same weapons different costs and oponents
Okay
@@lexonforshow is better than the 21Bis?
Great list! What would your list be for Arcade?
In arcade everything with bombs gets better because it’s in air reload. BTD is a phenomenal base bomber in AB
The AV8A took me far in the grind. I have the F4F s also but the harrier at its battle rating is pretty good. Love the XP 50
F4F is in German tech tree💀
@willisyang4711 I have not gotten that far in the German tech tree. I'm not impressed with there tech tree at all
I love my XP-50. Looking at the American variant of the Fw-190 A-8, gonna buy it when it goes on sale for Black Friday.
As an Air AB Player, going off the planes I currently have (and sorry if I accidently use an event one or otherwise unavailable as I've forgotten with how long I've had some)
1: XP-50 - It's climb rate makes it like the F-15 of the WW2 era. And at least in this mode - it has a surprising amount of agility, second maybe to the XF5F in that BR range among twin engines. Really lives up to the 'interceptor' role.
2: The AV-8A - It can actually turn pretty good, and it's great at low speeds with enough power to actually maneuver without worrying as much about the energy loss. Also I love all the 'lol I go Mach 1 and spam missiles' scrubs who think it's a sitting duck and XP gift. I mean yeah, they probably assume I'm someone who bought my way to the rank - not someone who had pretty much the entire US line unlocked and only bought it during the last 50% off sale before it was pulled. And those 30 mm guns can hurt.
3: The A-10A: Unless I want to hit a base, or some extra firepower for ground targets - because yes I'm the guy willing to play the objective and have my K/D suffer for it, I can run it with just 2 AIM-9L's and laugh when I actually sucker the supersonic planes in to a dogfight with it. They never quite understand the whole 'my plane is meant to handle at 3-400 km/h hour and yours is now a sitting duck at that speed'. It feels like a heavier WW2 plane which is probably why I like it. Also downing planes with it's 30 mm cannon is hilarious.
4: BTD-1 - a little lacking in firepower with only 2x 20 mm guns, but it's fast, pretty agile, and when I play naval arcade, cause I'm one of the few that do, it's ability to carry 2 mines, 2 torpedoes, or two bombs at a 3.7 BR makes it an absolute menace.
5: A6M2 - Much as I'd like to put one of the other American made planes on the list, they are all either event, unavailable, or recently pulled in the case of the YP-38, but also - it's just so damn good. But I'm biased because even at high tier, where the reliance on AIM-120's, 9M's, and their foreign counterparts is really ticking me off, I'm the guy that actually wants to get in a dogfight where it may come down to guns not missiles, so the lower/mid tiers where it's really about who can make their plane turn faster is really where I thrive and the A6M's are perfect for my preferred play style save for the lack of durability.
How do you use the BTD mines in naval? I only use it for baseboming, in naval I find the bombs easier. Or am I doing something wrong?
@@BeerSougion I've found it's best to think of them as 'bombs with a bigger margin of error' - a direct hit is the same as dropping a similar sized, possibly even bigger, bomb on them and so can sink DD's or badly damage/sink cruisers. But if you miss dropping too soon or landing in front, or even a little to the side it can still hit, now below the water line, and still sink or severely damage ships. More so if you account for ships that are paying more attention and trying to turn and throw your aim off as they can end up turning in a way that makes them hit the mine trying to dodge a standard bomb (because almost no one uses mines).
Alternatively - if you see someone getting close to a base you can try and be more proactive and drop them where you think they'll enter and be - best case scenario you hit them, with a possible worst case of you force them to take a different path in which can buy your team time to get a better shot on them so they can't capture it or recapture it with less points taken off cause of the delay. Or find the choke points certain maps have between islands and the like people use and drop them there - as it can then be hard for them to be avoided other than them completely avoiding the area. And sometimes - even when you completely miss someone - some other guy will just blunder in to it and get you a kill like 5 minutes later.
The highest percentage of my kills is using them like bombs with a margin of error, followed by choke points, then capture points/area blocking, and finally 'some random guy hit one I missed with'. I know it probably seems dumb to use them more like bombs when I can just carry bombs - but other than I believe a higher explosive yield - the fact they are so unexpected makes them excellent to take advantage of usual tactics meant to defeat dive/level bombing attacks by making use of the fact they are a mine, and will float and only detonate when hit - so someone thinking their safe suddenly has a massive hole in their ship or their magazine gets detonated.
@@anthony7697 Thanks man. I was never convinced about the denial of entry use of them. But if it works then one should bring an PB4Y with 8 of them every 30 seconds. Although with all the radar aiming and even fucking rockets big bombers are kind of hard to play.
@@BeerSougion Yeah - entry denial is, no pun intended, very hit or miss at times - a few where I'm not sure how they dodged. Why most of my success is using them more like bombs or actually cutting off a choke point where if someone goes in they can't dodge it.
And putting aside things like the Douglas (as someone that has one - it should not be anywhere near that BR with any kind of guided missile) I can tell you without radar aiming if I have a ship with AA rounds in the main gun I can knockout a big, slow heavy bomber pretty easy. And trying to drop level from altitude your basically gonna be hoping to cover an area with a small minefield that denies the area or someone blunders in to. The reason the BTD works is because it's quite fast and decently agile. I'll dive bomb if I can but I do a lot of basically water level flying at high speed using the terrain as cover - somewhat exploiting the fact that it can be used as a dive or level bomber and so maintains the impact point no matter what. Plus at 3.7 - it can encounter a lot of weaker AA ships, especially if you only run a 4.0-4.3 line up. A bit dicier against some of the 5.0 and up that can be AA monsters - especially the Gaijin SKR-1 bots and the like that have sniped me as I've spawned.
I use similar tactics with bombs on fighters albeit I have to either pull up enough to dive at the last second for a quick aimpoint, or trust I've done it enough to know where it'll land to ram 500 lb or larger bombs into the side of a DD and detonate the magazine.
f5c grinded me all the usa techtree
I use 3 napalm and 1 500lb and usually get atleast 1 kill mostly 2 and it slaps. I absolutely love this plane.
I’d love to see this for all the tech trees if possible oles
The problem with the A6 is you can’t get to the bases before supersonic and bombers get them all.
Go against air targets then
@@Douwe02 I usually go wide and go after the convoys. It’s just a personal fun mode to ingress, strike and then egress without getting killed. Kind of how they were really used. I do the same in an A10.
.50cals on the BR of the P-47 just don't work good enough anymore. You just don't do enough damage in the increasingly shorter timeframe where you can actually hit the enemy.
Gaijin keeps messing with them. Early war belts are TERRIBLE right now. Late war APIT is the only redeeming round.
@@bradenhagen7977 even with them I get bad results.
Fg is a beast tbh got it for 8 bucks and love it
The biggest problem is that premium vehicles are systematically nerfed. Unfortunately, the last week confirmed it.
Can you do a top 5 American marketplace aircraft next?
its a joke that even after years xp50 is still at 4.0 but hey so was wyvern and it only went up 0.3 changing basicly nothing so... the very least they could to is to remove its airspawn but hey that would be too balanced
Good video
Do this for every country 🙏
Glad to see I'm not the only one who had a small stroke when the F5C was dragged up. An 11.0 who's sole advantage over the 9.7 T-2 is flares
P.S. anyone else still sore they took away the armor package it had IRL?
@@ronaldthompson4989 f5c has much better flight performance than T2 in terms of energy retention, turn, and maneuverability. I’m not saying F5C is a worthy 11.0, but it’s basically a dog fight god when it’s in 10.3 and is better than T2 in any possible way
Sooooo absolutely no mention of the F-4S Phantom II?? Its' payload options alone should make it AT LEAST a top 3 lister. C'mon!
Now make a top 5 USSR/Russian premium planes
interesting picks : )
Recommending the f5c with the assumption it might get its br fixed is criminal. Putting way too much faith in the snail. How many updates after releasing new premiums, have the old premiums ate dicks to them? Feels like everyone with premium releases tbh. They want you to buy the new ones
I'll even say I get most of my kills with f5e fcu with the gun, but if I didn't have my missiles I don't think I could have demanded such authority
@@shawn7889 the f5c is still phenomenal at its br, decent guns, flares, speed, and a fantastic turn rate, love that thing
@briartousley9806 But is it 11.0 good? It's a good plane but I'd say it's more of a 10.3-10.7 br. It has no business facing what comes at 12.0.
I honestly disagree with the AV-8A in this list, the F-4S Phantom can easily take its spot in this list (and even over the substitute F-20, since it's overpriced crap), it's a missile truck that can easily compete with the early F-16s, F-14s and F-15s, can not only do very well in air modes but also ground modes with the sheer amount of bombs it can carry but it's also very maneuverable and can go super-sonic.
Skill issue AV-A is a good support and equipped with aim-9Gs for a BR where you can face either 8.7 and demolish; or get 10.7 and still be competent
@@michaelruiz0621 I'm gonna be real with you dude, skill issue doesn't make sense in your message.
I like the F5e more but its not a bad plane not as op as the ... XP-50
F5C. Period. I unlocked everything with it and a couple of years ago it was the best.
Not anymore
F2g is the only plane on which I have kd 2.
Only problem is almost every US vehicle is over-br'd or has something missing/not working properly. Its really sad and hard to recommend anything but the F-5C IMO since it is the only thing to my knowledge right now that isnt over-br'd and isnt artificially gimped. It was at a great BR (havent looked at the recent BR changes much). It shoudlve absolutely been #1
-The F-5C should be #1. Of all the planes shown its the only one i would ever instinctively recommend, it is almost universally good for nearly every possible role. It is an excellent fighter, one of few that actually requires you to play the old way (dogfight like a prop) which is much more fun than missile slinging IMO. it is also pretty good at CAS in ground despite having no CCIP. Bullpups are very skill dependent and i used to use them alot very effectively, however last time i used them they seemed to either nerf or mess up the controls on bullpups and made them almost unusable because of how sensitive they were after that update. I havent checked to see how they are now, but based on how they were last time i used them, dont bother using them as a guided weapon, just use them as a dumb rocket (which has its own learning curve since unfortunately Bullpups need to pretty much hit directly to kill despite being equal to a 250lb bomb). If you dont use the bullpups, the Zunis are wonderful if you can aim them, and the bombs are reliable if you are good at aiming them too; skip over the FFAR rockets though, theyre just as bad as they are in lower BRs.
The F-5C is still to my knowledge and absolute no-brainer must buy. It is far better than its over-br'd sibling the F-20A, and is much better than the very sad F-4S Phantom. Even if its BR for Air is now bad (since as i said i havent checked it since the recent BR changes) its performance in ground as either anti-CAS or CAS itself will be good despite needing more skill and knowledge involved due to the lack of CCIP of any kind. Its BR in ground is still its old 10.3 BR.
-The A-6E TRAM is one of the most broken and over-br'd premium aircraft available right now in the US tree. It is a pile of dogshit worse than the A-10. The Paveway II bombs as well as the new AGM-123 Skippers are completely broken and effectively non-functional; they dont glide or target properly like they are meant to IRL and due to this the A-6E is incapable of properly performing standoff or long range CAS. Gaijin added the Skippers in their own words to "increase range and targeting capability at higher BR" yet they refuse to fix this issue despite me reporting it multiple times. The skipper which is meant to basically be a missile, literally nose dives right off the rail due to the lack of gliding and improper targeting of paveway II bombs right now. They've moved the A-6E up in BR based on its previous performance before the Paveways got broken and it has even moved up WITH this bug. As a CAS aircraft currently it is only good with dumb weapons.
Additionally, it suffers from not being able to equip a countermeasure pod on the belly pylon like the AV-8 can, it doesnt hold many on its own. The gun is shit for both air and ground purposes due to both the gun itself being bad as well as the default belt and other belt options being pretty terrible. It is quite literally just a mediocre missile bus or dumb CAS plane at this point with way too high a BR in ground. It also has an issue with nosediving when rolling at high speed that no other plane using flaperons has, which Gaijin also has not fixed
This plane shouldnt even be on the list, it is unusably bad for most situations and is literally a broken unfinished/unfixed product.
-The AV-8A Is very fun to use, though it can struggle at times if you dont get the hang of it. It does pretty much entirely rely on missiles but the guns CAN be effective if you get the hang of their velocity. Theyre slow but hit pretty hard usually. For groud attack it is pretty effective even with no smart weapons, only downfall is the lack of RWR so you'll get killed by SPAA you have no idea is there quite often. It also can take a countermeasure pod on the belly unlike the A-ShitE TRAM which is very helpful. The only issue it really has for what it is, is a wonky rudder and the engine overheats quickly above 90% which can be annoying since you instinctively will want to hold W in combat to control throttle without looking at the throttle %; this is also partiially because Gaijin hasnt modeled the throttle to be as user-friendly as the AV-8 II's which wont overheat hardly at all at 100%.
-The A2G-1 is pretty solid and a good CAS plane as well. No complaints besides facing some jets in Air-RB is really punishing and .50 cal damage is lackluster, not having cannons is definitely something you feel holding you down. A solid pick if you play on PC.
-The A2D-1 is a sad plane. Its decent but it is now over-br'd in both air and ground at 7.0. The only thing making up for it is the funny 4,000lb bomb with a relatively large kill radius for CAS. But its really not enough. This plane used to go perfect alongside the T29 but they both got over-br'd and moved from 6.7 where they belong to 7.0 due to "statistics". The A2D-1 in its case was moved up simply because it was being spammed when it first came out to almost instantly win games by rushing ground targets in Air and killing almost all targets before the enemy could get there due to its airspawn. Its performance doesnt justify 7.0, it also isnt spammed anymore anyway.
-The P-47M in Air is not meta and it is a very boring and passive playstyle required to do good. By the time you can use it properly the match is basically over. Unless you're a diehard P-47 lover, the P-47M isnt super good. Its a bit over-br'd and its lack of cannons hinders both its performance against aircraft as well as ground targets. Having 8 of them is definitely helpful for making up for that lack of damage against aircraft but its still noticeably lacking compared to cannons; and unfortunately having 8 of the same gun doesnt increase their penetration, which means it wont make up for its lack of ground capability, you need cannons. Granted it will still shred a super light tank alot faster with 8x .50s than a plane with 6x .50s. You still have the same basic ordnance available to nearly every other P-47, so its ground attack performance is unchanged, whether that be good or bad is up to you. It is quite expensive though when it is available.
-The A-1H is an excellent plane for CAS. It is very clearly an old bird with more modern options and features which makes it unique and quite effective at doing certain things other Skyraiders cant. Dont be fooled by the countermeasures though, if you are above your BR and facing radar SPAA, chaff let alone flares isnt going to save you. Its air to air capabilities are not good but its not a fighter anyway; however running a full minigun loadout and just spraying at any poor soul within range is hilarious, 7.62 may suck but a wall of 8x 7.62 at over 1,000 RPM is something of a different monster entirely.
If you can buy it, its worth it; its a very good CAS plane at 6.3 and having Zuni rockets at that BR allows you to match up against SPAA you normally would struggle against if you learn their trajectory; its very impressive what a well aimed Zuni is capable of. Its especially good at destroying the cancer that is OP Russian and German SPAA. If you play on PC pick it up. The 6.3/6.7 lineup for USA in ground isnt that good but the A-1H will make any good performance on the ground create a whole new monster in the air to make up for it. I recommend having atleast 2 miniguns on every CAS loadout as backup and/or support for anti-air. The cannons are great but the problem is theyre good against tanks too, so you'll be using that ammo quite a bit against tanks and may not have enough for an extended dogfight. A few miniguns can help shorten that dogfight.
-The A-10A (Since it was mentioned but not shown) is terrible, do not buy it. In Air you are nothing but a free kill, and in ground it sucks to use. However it is better than the A-ShitE TRAM.
-The XP-50 is a very good plane. Despite what people say, it shouldnt be moved up in BR. It's not OP. It is basically a US made BF-109 with less ammo but more punch. The only thing wrong with it is that i needs its airspawn removed for balance reasons, the only reason why people say its OP is because of that airspawn after you filter out their bullshit. The only other issue with it is the complete lack of ordnance. This is PURELY a fighter, but i would absolutely recommend buying it. Just watch your ammo and dont try to take on more than 2 people at a time. I recommend playing with a squad too so you have actual backup. Its one of very few US premiums that isnt over-br'd garbage that's been kneecapped by Gaijin. Get it and play it before the USA tax is applied to it as well.
This comment had to be significantly shortened and reduced in detail due to what im guessing is a character limit. Sorry. Im 10 year vet of WarSuffer and had alot more insight to share about each vehicle but TH-cam cant handle it. This also isnt in order of how i recommend these vehicles, its just in order of how i typed them while watching the video.
The P-59 has to be on a list like this, it’s extremely OP at its BR if you know what you’re doing (which the average U.S. player at that BR does not, but oh well)
It's a marketplace vehicle. I tried to avoid those
As an f-5c moron I love eating mig 21s and a-10s
pay to win!!! game sucks
Skill issue
And your comment is worse in every way.