Overcomer | Say MovieNight Kevin Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มี.ค. 2020
- The Kendrick Brothers have done it again. Alex and Steven have made another 2 hour long masterpiece, starring Aryn Wright-Thompson, Priscilla Shirer, Cameron Arnett, Shari Wiedmann, and more. In this video, discover, with Kevin, as we explore and examine every little detail, in a fun and humorous way! Check below for all the resources you need to get the most out of this video!
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My dad took my whole family to see this movie last summer. It was a long awkward car ride home as my sister and I tried to explain why it wasn't a good movie. My parents were quite offended that we were being so critical and not supporting Christian entertainment. This review has brought me healing.
-How dare you not support Christian entertainment!
-Okay Boomer.
I had a similar experience! Lol (:
They should be more offended that something they care about is constantly given crappy movies because they’re seen as an easy audience 🤷🏻♀️
Don’t say that.
oh my goodness... "her dads not dead, he's surely alive!" That was so funny :D
He’s living inside a hospital talking about cross country
Why can't these guys just HIRE a real writer? Like at this point I think they should be able to look at their work honestly and realize that the story and the pacing and the characters are not their strong suit. Make a bullet point list of what you want to talk about like redemption, salvation, and sports, and get SOMEONE ELSE to do it.
I agree. That's what I told them. I said, "The best advice I can give you is get someone who isn't me, who knows about story telling, and completely rewrite this script." They need someone who understands structure and also understands dialogue.
Colleen they should get Mel Gibson
That's very true. I wonder if this is a budget issue or a pride issue sometimes tbh. I'm a writer (and I've won contests with my work), but I'm not a playwright, so I wouldn't try my hand at it. Do what you're talented at, and practice what you aren't until you are. But make sure your movie is good.
Colleen yeah this makes sense to me. I think they have a lot of good and enjoyable stuff in their movies but so much of it comes across as forced or awkward.
But that’s money the Kendrick brothers has to spend :p
The teachers having Hannah and her dad meet would have been much more sympathetic if Hannah was the one who instigated it. Maybe have Hannah trying to find out who her parents were and figuring out her dad is in the hospital, and then her coach realizes he’s the same guy he’s been meeting this whole time (or get rid of that whole coincidence and have him meet her dad at Hannah’s request). Then Hannah goes to meet her dad with the teachers’ help behind her grandmother’s back. It would be a lot more sympathetic because now it’s _her_ choice to know her dad, she sought out the connection first and wasn’t told against her caretaker’s wishes. She’s a teenager so her wishes should be respected, but there’s the conflict because her caretaker isn’t okay with it. That makes so much more sense. Otherwise, yeah, I agree with Kevin. The teachers crossed a line and did the wrong thing and it’s really annoying to see the situation painted in black and white.
"It's basketball month, everybody!"
That comment isn't gonna age well.
It's basketball month every month because basketball is an indoor sport... unlike cross-country.
Yay! March Madne - ohhhhhhhh
18:03 Thank you so much for calling that out, Kevin. So many of these Christian movies blame the wives when the husbands are the jerks/abusers and it needs to stop. It’s sexist and wrong and encourages so many women to stay in bad relationships and try to “be better” so their husbands will treat them right. NO. If you are in this situation, stop blaming yourself. You don’t “earn” love. If you have to earn affection from your partner, GET OUT. They don’t love you and it’s only going to get worse. You deserve to be treated well no matter what. “Being a better wife” isn’t going to help. Don’t stay in an unhealthy relationship just because the Bible says to submit. Be a good wife, of course, but if he doesn’t treat you right you don’t need to stay. He’s not loving you the way he’s supposed to according to that same Bible passage.
^^^^ If you have tried everything you can to repair the relationship and it isn't working, I think you should be able to leave. It might not be right to divorce, but sometimes it's necessary. We're willing to apply this to things like war and abortion (talking about conservatives), but not marriage. Love is a GIVEN. It isn't earned.
It’s amazing how the Kendrick brother films really seem to normalize husbands yelling at their wives when they’re angry. Like really, scary yelling that looks like it might get violent. That’s uh.... not normal. 😬
@@emilyhanson4875 the Kirk Carmeron screaming at his wife in Fireproof
A CIVIL SERVANT should never go behind the guardian’s back like that, the grandmother had every right to be angry, and yet she is painted as the obstacle for Hannah’s walk with God and Alex Kendrick’s character is the one doing the right thing. While I’m not an educator, I’m a church bus minister who works with kids from horrendous homes. I understand the temptation to go around guardians’ wishes when I know their child needs better, but in my opinion, what the coach did was very wrong and shouldn’t be seen as a “well the ends justify the means because it’s for Jesus.”
I see what they were trying to do but this isn't like Shiloh where Marty is faced with a major problem that can mean life or death for the dog, even if he may technically break the law.
A “civil servant” is a government employee. These were private school teachers. So, yeah.
One thing I’ve noticed from watching Christian movies is that a lot of people don’t understand that writing is a professional skill. Like just because you have a story in your head and know how to type words on paper, doesn’t mean you know how to write a story/movie. If Christian writers would take that seriously there would probably be less crappy movies
Right! A concept isn't good if u can't execute it properly. I still struggle with this being a Christian who is an aspiring author.
9:13 “I don’t think I could save football.” What? Football is the thing that brings in the most money across every public and private school nation wide. They’d sooner cut the art programs before football.
In my experience they'd sooner cut reading and writing than football.
@@aadams1006 This is very accurate
I don't think major kleptomania can be solved by just becoming a Christian but alright skfjskdks
Of course it can! Haven’t you seen the movie? That is evidence right there! Checkmate, atheists!!!
What does "skf..." mean?
@@jacindaellison3363 It's called a keyboard smash, used to represent being shocked or feeling dumbfounded or even laughing. A substitute for lol, OMG, and/or "this is the dumbest or craziest thing I've ever seen/heard".
@@mcpheefan21 thank u!
All I could think about when they introduce Thomas is Key & Peele's Magical Negro sketch 😂😂
I was waiting for Will Smith as Bagger Vance to show up
"At some point, you will ask yourself..."
"Where is that large automobile?"
"Don't sell it for crack or anything!". Bruh, lol...
I lost it at "Her dad's not dead, he's surely ali-"
I remember watching Facing The Giants, Fireproof, etc. when I was in high school. As a baptist kid, I was really inspired by these movies. And watching Overcomer definitely gave me those same feel-good-Christian feelings at the end... it spoke to my sweet baptist childhood heart. But, I did go to film school, and Overcomer definitely won't be a movie I brag about or recommend to my movie-watching friends. Hannah's character is pretty flat, there was too many coincidences, and I feel like there could've been much more powerful ways (rather than relying on big soundtracks) to build the story. Anyway, Overcomer does hit home to it's church audience. It's nice for a church movie night. But great review! Definitely agree with your thoughts.
That Bernie Sanders joke was absolute gold
The one thing that would have made this for me was at the end after Hannah won the race, John said, "You got the right one, baby. Uh huh."
I like that the drama auditions are being judged by the drama teacher, the history teacher/basketball and cross country coach and a woman who works in the cafeteria.
Dude, I’m 18 minutes late and I’ve watched for ten seconds and I’m dying already!!
Hello stranger 😂
"That's where we meet our g *happy* drama teacher"
Also, has anyone told you that you have really cool blue eyes. Just sayin'
I'd rather watch a movie about a gay drama teacher at a Christian high school than this... as long as it wasn't made by the Kendrik Brothers lol
As a former cross country runner, yes they're called meets
day #1 Kevin does a review on a basketball movie. day #2 NBA cancels all basketball matches in the foreseeable future. :D
THIS IS NOT HOW ASTHMA WORKS. THIS IS NOT HOW ASTHMA WORKS. PLEASE. THIS IS NOT HOW ASTHMA WORKS.
Are there rare/unusual types of asthma that could (theoretically) manifest in symptoms like this character's?
@@tintinismybelgian Not if it's sports related. If it was seasonal, maybe, but sports asthma does not work that way. inhalers take 20 minutes to work. So if you're having an attack you have to sit and wait it out. Try to breathe in cold/hot air depending on what works for you. It is almost physically impossible to keep going. The only accurate thing was her passing out at the end.
I have asthma and was on my HS volleyball team and she did need to sit down after using it but it's pretty realistic to use it and keep playing/running. I was the main middle and I never had a full blown attack on the court but close and I'm so competitive that I just took a puff and kept playing so I understand
@@minimisaki1511 there is a large difference between long distance running/sprinting and volleyball. I've played both volleyball and basketball. Vball was completely normal to take and keep playing. Bc basketball was running up and down the court I had to stop and breathe. If it was volleyball or baseball or a sport that was not flat up running I'd be more sympathetic. But pushing through and asthma attack only causes a worse asthma attack
@@jamiedawn6760 they are different but I was literally just explaining how its possible that she could have kept running bc she didn't wanna lose (me mentioning being competitive). And asthma does attack people differently so again, it is possible that she could have a minor attack and not really be hurt/pass out or have a worse attack until the end of the race.
The one thing these guys know how to write well are large exposition dumps. They're also good at long pauses and throwing hats down in exasperation
@brandon roberts "In the name of Jesus! I cleanse you of your sins of horrible fashion" : throws hat to ground: "This cap, is now saved."
When I saw the trailer for this movie I thought to myself, “It’s a Kendrick Brothers cinematic universe!”
I still love the Kendrick brothers movies, but I love your show too, Kevin. The only thing that got me was every time she used the inhaler. As an asthmatic myself, I cringed every time she just straight up S U C K E D that stuff up without exhaling first and then BREATHED OUT right after. XD You're not supposed to do that.
I have been waiting for this review. I’m a teacher and A black woman. I agreed with your analysis completely! You hit the nail on the head!
I'm so happy your honest review style didn't cave under the whole "i met the producers and had a media pass to the filming for a day" pressure.
"This is where we meet our ga-#HAPPY# drama teacher." I busted up laughing at that line! XD
I would have paid to see this movie if it had Alice Cooper. Hes a Christian and a former cross country runner. Woulda been a perfect fit
The scene where Hannah is running from the boys after stealing the headphones actually reminded me of Daniel LaRusso running from the Cobra Kai.
I was really excited for this movie to come out. Not because I wanted to see it. But because I wanted to see if they took your advice. Amazing video as always. Totally worth the wait. BTW I really miss who would build the roads. Like a lot
Agreed!! It was my favorite commuting podcast!!
@@juliajohnson2285 I listen to old episodes going to school.
38:20 Oh my goodness, kevin you're famous!!! lol
@@masterkalel06 Lol
I admire that you still gave respectful criticism and tried to not tear the movie apart for the sake of tearing apart, because it's like the 7th (or 8th?) Kendrick brothers movie, because I couldn't do it if I had a review channel. In my view, it's the same movie all over again, but I guess there must be some marginal improvements.
Serious, the girl in the end wins for the sake of winning, there's really no point in winning only to make the audience feel good. But that's the problem of almost literally all Christian movies, they're just feel good movies dealing with first-world problems (at least they tried to tackle the issue of deindustrialization leading to decadence in American small towns and fears of extinction of the middle class, but everything else it's still first-world problems), cinematic morphine - and morphine can be addictive (the opiate of Christians, to paraphrase a certain bearded philosopher).
And it wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't this prosperity gospel message, that treats God as a genie that appears to make the characters' lives better, at the price of a few prayers; so while it privileges message over substance, it's not even a healthy message, but borderline heresy. Why don't they make a movie in which when the character becomes a Christian his life gets worse and he has to find God and grow up while going through the crisis and his victory in the end is materially small, but truthful? I guess that would be too shocking to the audience, but at least they could try to make the final big victory earned, just not this convenience in this movie.
Christian movies just make frustrated, but I fear it's the only kind of representation we have.
Mr. Cartmenez saying "How do I reach these kids?" probably sums up the first thing all of these Christian filmmakers think when writing scripts, leading to cringeworthy lines and stuff.
Always love a good use of that clip.
My family and I watched this hoping it would be good. By the scene where John & his wife are crying together, we were groaning with how bad the writing was. From then on it was just...really hard to watch. Cliche dialogue and long pointless scenes. I think the Kendrick Bros just need new script writers and a not-so-cliche premise.
Elwing of Doriath i think the problem with the Kendricks is that they’re too hung up on the family friendly label to really allow themselves a broader range of ideas. They somehow have the admirable but misunderstood idea that christian art have to be pure and family friendly, but the problem is that this idea of family friendly only waters down the message a lot. It would be so much more impactful if a movie like, say, Fight Club, had a christian message. If they dared venture out in the gritty and dark and horrorfying aspects of life. The light of christ will always shine so much brighter in the darkness and pain and trauma of real life, but Kendricks are not concerned about the contrast, they are only concerned about making family friendly content because they somehow think that by doing that they are glorifiying god. While I do think God surely are able to use their movies for his purpose - which I also think he does -, it doesn’t make them good movies and they won’t convince a whole lot of people.
Hey, I'm your grandmother, I agree with this comment!
That whole prologue that was from 5 months before the plot could’ve been a scene from 15 years before the plot and showed the father and mother being addicts and finding out she was having a baby...
The way your shadow moves around on the wall of that low lit room... it looks like the wall itself is moving and morphing. Who knew you were a VFX artist, too... 🤷♂️ 🤣
Oh yeah. I'm a real genius. haha.
I think the worst thing about this movie, for me, is how rambling it is. I can't really put a finger on what the plot is supposed to be. It reminds me of trying to explain the plots of movies from Mystery Science Theater. I could tell you about characters and things that happen in the films, but often the stories are so aimless that it's really hard to actually articulate any strong central conflict. (The examples of Pod People, Future War and Space Mutiny come readily to mind...) This movie feels like that. It feels like just a bunch of things happening to some people, they kind of learn a lesson along the way, and then there's some sort of conclusion. We know the things the movie is heading to, but what's supposed to be the focus? Like, is the payoff that Hannah becomes a Christian? That she finds her identity in Christ? That *John* finds his identity in Christ? That Thomas reconciles with his daughter? That Hannah wins her race? That John succeeds as a cross country coach? There's just so much going on, and none of it has enough focus to distinguish itself. :/
Edit: OH MY GOD AND NOW THEY'VE THROWN IN A RANDOM THING AT THE END WITH THE GRANDMA WHY DO ALL OF THESE MOVIES GO ON TOO LONG AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
I was just thinking that. It's episodic. As in this thing happens, then that thing, then ...but they aren't really tied together. It isn't a "because" reason, it's just an "and this happened..."
Good for Elizabeth, divorcing Tony, changing her name, and getting out of real estate to start a new life in the education field.
The “wait”...”wait”” had me waiting 😂😂😂😂
Honestly, if the kids were watching a Say Goodnight Kevin video that would be so stink'n hilarious XD
Right?!
I am always massively excited to see you review a Kendrick Brothers movie. These videos never fail to make my evening! Loved it all from beginning to end. I actually feel a little bad about doing a smiling gasp over the girl falling on her face at the end of the race. I really thought for a moment that we weren’t going to make this about the victory and/or maybe they would lead to a scene where she has to be in the hospital and her father would have the opportunity to be there for her or something like that. But no, they had to do the whole “won by the tip of the nose” bs.
My guy, I have been searching for a channel that reviews bad Christian movies. I don’t know HOW I missed your channel for so long, but I’ve been binging your reviews. I sure hope you get the chance to keep this up!!!
Thanks so much! I have several solid reviews in the works! So glad to have you here!
@@saygoodnightkevin 😤 keep on doing God’s work
All the Star Wars references were hilarious! XD Also, congratulations on making it into the credits, Kevin!
I really hated the fact that Hannah wins in the end, when losing gracefully teaches you more, and that the underhanded parents escape consequences, only to have a victory in the climax. It just seems so contrived and unrealistic.
Yes! Great points, Kevin. I love your summary at the end. The climax scene at the end was my favorite and, I thought, was one of the most brilliant and incredible scenes in Christian cinema, at least, but I see what you mean. It would have been a lot more impactful if they had done what you said. You have some great recommendations, and I wish they would listen to you. AND get professional writers. Awesome review, as always.
OK, I NEED THE FULL VERSION OF YOUR OUTTRO!!!
I love that the add before this is Pureflix
I watched this movie at the end of 2019 when I was still Christian, and and back then, that thing with Hannah's dad made me uncomfortable. It's so wrong, and looking at it now the first thing that comes to mind is why a good God would allow something so intensely immoral? Please don't ever do what these people did, that was horrible of them. They had no reason to become involved, and the grandmother should have sued.
When you said, “This thought [about enormous character coincidence] occurred to me, but then I put it aside,” and I realized what it was, I literally said, “Oh NO,” out loud.
I hate that I’m relieved they at least talked to Hannah before introducing them to each other.
I saw this movie in the theater when it first came out and really enjoyed it, so we'll see what I think of this review.
Please do share.
Hayley Adams Agreed. It was a good and enjoyable movie!
This movie's alternative title was Scott's tots
I literally get so excited every time I see you have a new video hah they’re my favorite!
I think instead of starting at the 5 months later point, like you said, they should have shown the game, NOT mentioned the factory on TV, and then skip to 5 months later to have maximum irony for the "We'll get em next year" mentality.
Wait! Wait!! Wait!!! Wait!!!! 🤯 😂
TheLtbify I cackled 😂😂😂
I haven't seen this movie, but I love the part about how being a Christian should be at the top of your list of traits. Sure, you'll be persecuted, made fun of for being a goody-goody or a prude or whatever, but words from the people don't matter. Through this review, this movie has made me ask myself, "Would I answer first with 'I am a Christian'?"
"Hannah Scott" isn't all that uncommon a name, and plenty of kids are born on Valentine's Day. Wouldn't it have been an even more amazing twist if the guy in the hospital weren't the father?
Or is he was John’s dad!!!
You know, I give the Kendrick brothers credit for not riding the "Persecution Train," but if they could just shake off their "Prosperity Gospel" impulse. Not saying their movies would be great, but they would be better, and possibly have better lessons.
yo I thought Pitching Love, Catching Faith was a good review. You've outdone your outdone self here. I can't breathe
I'm also here before Chris.
Why do the opposing forces in these movies threaten to sue Alex Kendrick's self-insert?
Who is Kevin McCreary?
Ok I’m confused, is he originally a basketball coach and a football coach or just basketball? Because I don’t really know why he’d be so up in arms about having to coach cross country when the basketball season does’t even start till December and cross country ends in late October/early November. I understand why he’s upset about the team leaving but idk it’s still all weird to me.
12:18 I didn't notice that, and I saw this a week ago! :0
If they edited this to only have the scenes with Hannah, Thomas, and the grandmother in it and cut out everything else, it would probably be a decently solid movie!
hhhhhhhachi machi leave it to the Kendrick Bros to write a Black Thief/Troubled Youth AND a Magical African American Friend in the same film 😬😅
oh god it got worse
How would you label the stereotypes that the principal and grandma fit into?
Goodnight, Kevin.
This came out 2 days before the shutdown.
I'm not sure the fact that the Kendrick brothers reached out to get your opinion on the film really should be commended if they didn't change a single thing or make any effort to take constructive criticism into consideration. I don't doubt their motivations at all, they truly seem like great men, but the innocence they bring to their films is so hard to watch. Everyone is so one-dimensional and boring, even the lesser good versions of the characters at the beginning of the film. They're all just so dull. I want to watch an arc where a character goes from A to Z, not A to B. Absolutely loved the review, I can't get over the fact that you watch these movies so many times in order to make these videos so thorough and hilarious. Props to you, man. Seriously loved it!
They probably asked for advice from multiple people, and the critical feedback got drowned out by the uncritical feedback.
Ghost dad? No! It’s Birthday Dad!
Disappointed that you didn't shoehorn in a joke about Hannah stealing first place.
HA! Nice.
I laughed at parts I wasn't supposed to in the movie and got very offended by the asthma portrayal. The videography was good. But the movie itself was not good.
"How is that so far down your list?"
He probably didn't know that was the answer you were looking for? Or it wasn't the first one that popped into his head?
I remember my mom dragged me to see this movie and asked if I learned anything
I said not really I’m confused also did Hannah just cheat her way because her dad just staight up told her what and how to do? Like was the other girl mean or just Angry and justified
But what about the mom? It seems like moms are irrelevant in most of these movies.
One of the Kendrick brothers disliked this video. Oh wait it was Kevin Sorbo because you called him a Kendrick brother. 😂
Kevin: so anyways they have this conversation which is awkward and weird because she does this...
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Thomas looks like the lovechild of Morgan Freeman and Will Smith.
how many times does kevin say wait in this video?
What is the clip from 12:25? I'm super curious Dx
What do the Kendrick brothers have against track though?
Oh please do have a merch design contest!!
Man I love this channel
2:20 “since I actually met the Kendrick brothers.” *cut to Kevin and Kevin Sorbo*
20:18 Thanks for finally mentioning that!
"I don't think you're ready" 🤣🤣🤣
5:43 at 0.25x speed just makes this realization of the cliche that much more painful
8:01 That's a good point that we never learn this. I watched the audio commentary afterwards(And I rarely do that) and Alex says that he saw an article or something about how teens go to sex, drugs and stealing valuable items to gain self worth. Since the 1st 2 are not family friendly, they went with the stealing aspect.
My theory to why they never say that in the movie is because there was no real way to fit that in. That would probably require VOICEOVER or another cliché.
I'm not saying that this isn't flawed, but that background should help. Just adding my 2 cents.
BriTaNick references!! 😀 And another great review.
Yes!! I was obsessed with that BriTaNick video back in the day!
I’m glad I found this channel. Mine’s is obviously a lot smaller, but we share the same...hmm...disdain(?) for Christian movies.
At least this movie doesn't have a crazy poisonous message? That's the most I can hope for from these movies.
Aside from it being totally fine for an educator to go behind a guardian's back as long as it's because something something JESUS.
Also that bit where the wife apologizes for making her husband lash out at her. That's pretty dark.
@@elizabethashley42 oh it's a bad movie for sure, but it's the christian cinema industry, they're always plumbing new depths for serious corrosive messages to push 😅
I don't think taking agency away from the protagonist is ever a good idea, but a bunch of white people taking agency away from a black girl is extra awkward.
Plus, half these people apologize and communicate with God when they should be talking to actual people.
I can't believe that you have high-quality content yet are so small
Did they listen to any of the constructive feedback u gave them?
Jacinda Ellison a little bit. But honestly, a lot of what I say in this review, I said in my notes for the script. And as you can see, I had a lot to say.
@@saygoodnightkevin did John get the consequences for telling Hannah about her dad?
Edit: nope.
Whats the Song at the end of his review?
It’s off the latest Eleventyseven album. It’s called Battlecats.
I think it shows a lot about the filmmakers to involve you knowing that you probably weren't going to give the film a great review. That's really cool in my opinion, it shows that they can take criticism. I also think it's cool that you didn't totally trash it just because it's fairly low hanging fruit
2:20 Are these the Kendrick Brothers? Didn't expect one to them to be a WAHMEN! But hey, Wumens can also direct, so don't judge a cover by it's book... I just wish I wasn't born a Goblin and had to hide my true Identity every time I go on a date. I know... first world problems, but still... Anyway I'm rambling now. Good video Mr. Kevin!
The Kendrick Brothers are the new Wachowskis
Ugh. Maybe it’s just me as an non-religious person, but lines like “if Jesus can forgive me for all the things I’ve done, I can forgive other people” really irk me. They just sound so unnatural and preachy to me. Like... Maybe at most I’d say “I’ve been doing a lot of self-reflection, and I think I’m ready to forgive you.” But it’s not like ‘Jesus did it, and I learned it 100% from Jesus, he is the only reason I can forgive’. Forgiveness is a very basic human function. If you did learn how to forgive people solely because someone you worship did it, and it had nothing to do with self-growth or empathy... that’s honestly pretty fuckin’ concerning tbh
Yeah but Jesus is their example though.
I love your videos