Good job again Carter... you can also ground balance to the air at one foot to 2 feet above the ground and will do almost the same as a factory reset. If the threshold wavers when not ground balanced just hit re-tune
Tried your suggestion and it works about the same. Amazing the difference in salt water when you don't GB. The depth is real good. Should be fun locating targets with a larger mono one day!
carter , thank you for making all the great videos, as i am learning so much , without having to buy every metal detector on the market, I can say this I like that TDI the more i see you use it . the TDI kicks but
The ATX is far better in audio anslysing of your target .. I had both and only kept my garrett Atx as this unit after a audio learning curve allows me to even make the difference between a pulltab and a gold ring . OK with theTDI you can hear the ghost signals ( very deep target) . Nevertheless i can achieve the same one or two more inches on my Garrett ATX with my secret setup and be notified with a real signal .I tell you i love my garrett ATX .
Lower the power to Seven . Add 2 points of discrimination ( pulse delay ) and you will be just fine ! You will loose less than ground balancing and have a very stable machine . Greetings from France
The Garrett ATX is sometimes a little bit long before groundbalancing . In order to achieve a very precise ground balance lift and sink the coil alternatively 10 inches and then 2 inches . The electronic will feel the ground and adjust much better.
+Firthy77 Get ready to do a lot of digging! The ATX will hear everything, You will hear drifting while wading but the good targets should sound through loud and clear.
Hi Carter....I've been using the ATX now, for about 3 weeks in the surf & wet sand here in east central Florida....I'm only able to acheive sensitivity levels of 12 max. (ground balanced)....sensitivity 11 gets you a very quiet threshold for the most part, with 12 running hot on the edge of drift./falsing...I tried factory default settings (no ground balance) with no success thus far...way too much sensitivity for the sand here.There appears to be a high "iron content" in many areas here, with layering of white sand with magnetite (black sand)...it's really mixed up here as far as mineral content goes!....Going to do some tests with various jewelery items buried at different depths (in various mineral types using ground balance)...just to make a comparison to your depth results, without using the ground balance (factory defaults)...I will post the results here.....keep up the great work on your testing/reviews!
Thanks for the fast response Carter....so far, Im very happy with the ATX....still have a lot of testing to do....as I stated in the last post, I will be doing some depth tests (in ground balance) at max stable sensitivity, with a few different gold jewelery items,I'm curious to see just how much depth loss there is, compared to not having the machine ground balanced....we shall see :-).....thanks again!
atx is deeper than the tdi for the gold, be sure..!! atx don t like coins , i run at 13 sensibility, sometimes ^pulse delai between 3and 4 for th ehi/low of the mineralisation never do the GB at the beach , as you say
Thanks, very interesting! My ATX arrives tomorrow. Question, will this technique also work on normal desert gold hunting? I know there will be extra noise with the detector unbalanced but just wondering if it might be worth it?....thanks
Yes; it will work in the desert w the ATX. You can also ground balance it to a bit more positive by only having it at 2,3,4 or 5 inches above ground as to not totally finish the ground balance by being at the ground. This results is a hotter ground balance and a bit more depth.
I just bought the ATX but couldn't try it yet as it's been raining like crazy lately. After seeing your video I'm wondering what could be the best setting using the ATX on a very black beach mineralized with iron, such that if you put a magnet close to the sand it will stick to it in large amounts...what is your suggestion? Thanks!!!
+boriquabro Start off with the Sensitivity at 10 and definitely ground balance the detector. In my video here, there is not magnetic black sand so I don't ground balance to get maximum depth but in your area its a must.
GB is necessary in heavy mineralized / ironized ground. If you tried not ground balancing your machine or with your GB off (in the case of the TDI Pro) in bad dirt, it would not be workable. At the beach, there is no need to GB if you don't mind dealing with some instability. In hot dirt, you can tweak your GB slight to emphasize higher or lower conductors.
Ok so only managed 1 day with the ATX in the surf. The drifting is so bad it goes all the way over to full signal so I can't tell good from bad. I've been using my Surfmaster since then. I'm even having trouble trying to GB in the water. Any suggestions?
+Firthy77 Depending on the salinity level of your hunting area, it may be too conductive for the ATX to work while wading without ground balancing. I have talked with people in some areas of Florida where they have this issue. Try ground balancing while in the water and start off with a sensitivity level of 7 out of 13. Turn on your ATX while holding the pinpoint button to put all setting back to factory preset and then do a frequency scan before adjusting the sensitivity or ground balancing.
+Firthy77 When you first go in an turn on the ATX, performing a frequency scan is a good idea. Even at full sensitivity, the drift is slight and the ATX is always retuning to adjust for any changes. Keeping the coil level with the wet sand helps. Carter
The ATX and the TDI are both extreme deep seekers at the beach. They are both pulse machines so they will operate in all types of ground/sand conditions.
Wayne Shepherd Don't count on any PI machine efficiently discriminating iron. The ATX and GPX both have iron disc but they can only tell iron close to the surface. I have used PI machines relic hunting and my advice is don't use one unless you're ready to do a lot of digging! Nothing works better in "bad dirt" or will go deeper than a PI but the tradeoff is you will dig deep iron. The TDI has no iron ID. Carter
Helooo I'm from canarian islands and I need a good detector for salt water to go deep. Can you help me to get the best one ?thank you anticipated.better If it waterproof
The Detectorpro Underwater is a simple good working waterproof detector. The Minelab Excalibur is excellent but heavier and more expensive. Google the names to learn more. There are many other good ones but these are my two favorites.
The ATX works well and is waterproof. It is not a discriminating unit so you will hear iron signals. The ATX will go deeper than the Underwater or Excalibur but you will dig iron. If you detect at clean beaches without much iron trash, then the ATX will work well. It is a heavy detector, test it out at your local shop.
Good job again Carter... you can also ground balance to the air at one foot to 2 feet above the ground and will do almost the same as a factory reset. If the threshold wavers when not ground balanced just hit re-tune
Tried your suggestion and it works about the same. Amazing the difference in salt water when you don't GB. The depth is real good. Should be fun locating targets with a larger mono one day!
carter , thank you for making all the great videos, as i am learning so much , without having to buy every metal detector on the market, I can say this I like that TDI the more i see you use it . the TDI kicks but
The ATX is far better in audio anslysing of your target .. I had both and only kept my garrett Atx as this unit after a audio learning curve allows me to even make the difference between a pulltab and a gold ring . OK with theTDI you can hear the ghost signals ( very deep target) . Nevertheless i can achieve the same one or two more inches on my Garrett ATX with my secret setup and be notified with a real signal .I tell you i love my garrett ATX .
Lower the power to Seven . Add 2 points of discrimination ( pulse delay ) and you will be just fine ! You will loose less than ground balancing and have a very stable machine .
Greetings from France
The Garrett ATX is sometimes a little bit long before groundbalancing . In order to achieve a very precise ground balance lift and sink the coil alternatively 10 inches and then 2 inches . The electronic will feel the ground and adjust much better.
You don't want to do this if you want extreme depth at the beach. If you ground balance it to the salt water, you will loose depth.
Thanks very much for that , il be at the beach tomorrow doing just that with the ATX
Finally somebody who swings normal speed
Brilliant thanks for the reply. I will be in the water all the time so is there anything else I should be doing/not doing. Fred
+Firthy77 Get ready to do a lot of digging! The ATX will hear everything, You will hear drifting while wading but the good targets should sound through loud and clear.
Hi Carter....I've been using the ATX now, for about 3 weeks in the surf & wet sand here in east central Florida....I'm only able to acheive sensitivity levels of 12 max. (ground balanced)....sensitivity 11 gets you a very quiet threshold for the most part, with 12 running hot on the edge of drift./falsing...I tried factory default settings (no ground balance) with no success thus far...way too much sensitivity for the sand here.There appears to be a high "iron content" in many areas here, with layering of white sand with magnetite (black sand)...it's really mixed up here as far as mineral content goes!....Going to do some tests with various jewelery items buried at different depths (in various mineral types using ground balance)...just to make a comparison to your depth results, without using the ground balance (factory defaults)...I will post the results here.....keep up the great work on your testing/reviews!
+Earthmoods - I run mine on the edge as well but up here its still usable at sensitivity level 13. Good luck! Carter
Thanks for the fast response Carter....so far, Im very happy with the ATX....still have a lot of testing to do....as I stated in the last post, I will be doing some depth tests (in ground balance) at max stable sensitivity, with a few different gold jewelery items,I'm curious to see just how much depth loss there is, compared to not having the machine ground balanced....we shall see :-).....thanks again!
Thanks for the demo :)
atx is deeper than the tdi for the gold, be sure..!! atx don t like coins , i run at 13 sensibility, sometimes ^pulse delai between 3and 4 for th ehi/low of the mineralisation never do the GB at the beach , as you say
Is that coil the only waterproof one or the 13”dd is waterproof too? Thank you
I know this vid is not about comparison tdi vs atx but I would like some of it please
Thanks, very interesting! My ATX arrives tomorrow. Question, will this technique also work on normal desert gold hunting? I know there will be extra noise with the detector unbalanced but just wondering if it might be worth it?....thanks
Yes; it will work in the desert w the ATX. You can also ground balance it to a bit more positive by only having it at 2,3,4 or 5 inches above ground as to not totally finish the ground balance by being at the ground. This results is a hotter ground balance and a bit more depth.
Bearkat4160 Thank you for responding BK; I know you have the experience with desert gold hunting!
I just bought the ATX but couldn't try it yet as it's been raining like crazy lately. After seeing your video I'm wondering what could be the best setting using the ATX on a very black beach mineralized with iron, such that if you put a magnet close to the sand it will stick to it in large amounts...what is your suggestion? Thanks!!!
+boriquabro Start off with the Sensitivity at 10 and definitely ground balance the detector. In my video here, there is not magnetic black sand so I don't ground balance to get maximum depth but in your area its a must.
+DetectorComparisons Thank you, I appreciate it!!! I will do some testing and report it over here...Soon.........
What is the best coil for playgrounds for the atx
Wondering if its any point at all in GB ,, i am talking about gb in hot ground , wont i lose depth then as well?
GB is necessary in heavy mineralized / ironized ground. If you tried not ground balancing your machine or with your GB off (in the case of the TDI Pro) in bad dirt, it would not be workable. At the beach, there is no need to GB if you don't mind dealing with some instability.
In hot dirt, you can tweak your GB slight to emphasize higher or lower conductors.
Ok so only managed 1 day with the ATX in the surf. The drifting is so bad it goes all the way over to full signal so I can't tell good from bad. I've been using my Surfmaster since then. I'm even having trouble trying to GB in the water. Any suggestions?
+Firthy77 Depending on the salinity level of your hunting area, it may be too conductive for the ATX to work while wading without ground balancing. I have talked with people in some areas of Florida where they have this issue. Try ground balancing while in the water and start off with a sensitivity level of 7 out of 13. Turn on your ATX while holding the pinpoint button to put all setting back to factory preset and then do a frequency scan before adjusting the sensitivity or ground balancing.
Hi Carter, Can I ask have you had to use the Freq Scan? Also do you retune to cancel the drift. Fred
+Firthy77 When you first go in an turn on the ATX, performing a frequency scan is a good idea. Even at full sensitivity, the drift is slight and the ATX is always retuning to adjust for any changes. Keeping the coil level with the wet sand helps. Carter
Did you ground balance the TDI ?
I run the TDI with the GEB off. Much deeper this way.
As you running the ATX at max sensitivity, it seems it could use a 14 or 15 and still be usable? :)
The ATX only goes up to 13 and at the level it is a little noisy in wet salt water sand but workable.
So TDI kicks ass, dos it work as good on all grounds or just beach?
The ATX and the TDI are both extreme deep seekers at the beach. They are both pulse machines so they will operate in all types of ground/sand conditions.
I agree, to disc out iron, u will lose loads of depth? i dont think the TDI has iron disc?
Wayne Shepherd Don't count on any PI machine efficiently discriminating iron. The ATX and GPX both have iron disc but they can only tell iron close to the surface. I have used PI machines relic hunting and my advice is don't use one unless you're ready to do a lot of digging! Nothing works better in "bad dirt" or will go deeper than a PI but the tradeoff is you will dig deep iron. The TDI has no iron ID. Carter
Is there much difference in weight between Machines.
The ATX is heavier but it comes with a sling that works great and makes the machine feel almost weightless on your arm.
Helooo I'm from canarian islands and I need a good detector for salt water to go deep. Can you help me to get the best one ?thank you anticipated.better If it waterproof
The Detectorpro Underwater is a simple good working waterproof detector. The Minelab Excalibur is excellent but heavier and more expensive. Google the names to learn more. There are many other good ones but these are my two favorites.
DetectorComparisons what can you tell me about the atx from Garrett I could buy it today in a local shop?thank you again for the fast answer
The ATX works well and is waterproof. It is not a discriminating unit so you will hear iron signals. The ATX will go deeper than the Underwater or Excalibur but you will dig iron. If you detect at clean beaches without much iron trash, then the ATX will work well. It is a heavy detector, test it out at your local shop.
I love my seahunter mark 2 with the big coil. It is almost as capable as my Garrett ATX concerning depth. You will find one for a good price too.
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