Who Were the Magi
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- The Gospel of Matthew tells us that "magi" from the East brought gifts to the infant Jesus following a mysterious star. Western Christianity commemorates this event with the feast of Epiphany, on January 6. What do we know about these wise men? Where did they come? Were they kings or Zoroastrian priests? Is there any evidence of a new star? We'll look at all these and other questions to reveal the meaning of this story from a mythological and theological view point.
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As an Iranian with some reasonable knowledge about the Iranian religion, I am really impressed with the depth of correct knowledge this gentleman has about the case. I really enjoyed this great scholarly lecture, thanks.
Every Christmastime I have wondered this for more than 20 years. Thank you for finally answering my question.
Thank you so much for these incredibly thorough and well-researched lectures. I’ve gotten more out of these than any traditional sermon. I feel so grateful for finding these-and right near me in Toronto, too. You are providing an antidote to fundamentalism that is so needed in today’s society. I cannot thank you enough for sharing your historical knowledge with us for free on TH-cam.
Jesus the Christ was born on3AD September 11 you can check it out on TH-cam Dr. Michael Heiser What do the magi and the dead sea scrolls have in common another interesting thing to look at would be the evidence of the shroud of Turin
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@@nataliewantscookies I forgot I left this comment but this reply brought me back to this channel. I'm going to listen to some more lectures this weekend. Thank you, Natalie!
You talk as if being fundamental is a bad thing 😅😅 struggling to be like Jesus is never a bad thing 😅😅
@@albusai Of course it isn’t. But anyone who claims to be a follower of Jesus should understand the historical and sociological context that informed the New Testament.
This is a thoroughly intelligent, informative, humorous, candid and most entertaining lecture. Thank you.
I found it a waste of time
I’m really impressed with this Pastor. He is actually honest about the birth of Jesus. He’s not trying to dance around the historical evidence.
I don’t think preachers lie very much. They just aren’t very smart. I’m sure they lie to their wives sometimes.
@@thetruthexperiment Would you agree though that it's more gullibility than stupidity?
@@thetruthexperiment😅😅 you know them all
These are theories. The factual reports say other wise. The theories are second guessing what history has reported. Believing a theory does not make one honest, unless you know as a fact that the theory is true. Which you dont. In other words your mistaking theories with historical facts.
I don't know if he's a pastor?
I want to move to Toronto from California just to be able to attend these lectures.
This is enlightening and done with a kind heart and open mind. What a great communication in today’s cynical world.
this guy is wrong on all areas concerning the 4 Gospels, which are writing by 4 different people, with 4 different point of views? its not like, Jesus commanded his disciples to take out pen and paper and write as he speaks, but lessons through his Words... And Witnessing Miracles through his Works. (The Ministry of Jesus) Redemption for the Gentiles comes from the Blood, And we were given Grace by Faith in the redeemer with is Christ Jesus its more clear through Pauls Ministry which is still Ministring Today know as the Church Age...
@@chancehonotapu4380 interesting
Absolutely enjoyed it, thankyou!
It is of particularly interesting that they called Magi. The Magi are what the Zorastians, the ancient religion of Persia, called their priests.
Exactly right!
ZOROASTRIAN
This was excellent. Great teacher!
Check out Dr. Michael Heizer on TH-cam what do the magi and the squirrels have in common and another interesting TH-cam The shroud of Turin
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Amazing!
I really like your words and your teaching thanks and I think is so true
Well done. I've been listening for quite some time to John lectures. It's mostly he who speaks and never has to refer to open texts in order to recite. Well educated. Knows his history combined with theology. Have to admit, I enjoy the lack of ads. I can fall asleep listening without needing to skip ads. A nice bonus
Super presentation. Enlightening.
These videos really bring out the crazies in the comments.
And here we are.
Not so bad
Crazy or awakened 😝
You don't have to be crazy to watch youtube, but it helps
What a brilliant lecture!
Sir you are a Great historian and a Good man
Very good presentation. Congratulation.
you must be a fantastic paster - love all your vids
I noticed that the text do not tell how many Magi came it just said Magi came but it did not say three
Excellent lecture as always.
this is good
Thanks a lot for explanations scientifically
@lost why did you even watch this?
@@ImJustOnePerson1 Know your enemy.
@@HOWBAZARY The speaker not trying to hurt you. Okay, take a deep breath. It's going to be alright. You can be religious and he can try to explain it scientifically, you can coexist. It's okay.
@@HOWBAZARY Enemy? Why is that ?
Wonderful explanation of the contradictory nativity stories.
It's so funny to read so many comments that all think they know better than any other contemporary scholar could possibly know the events that happened over 2000 years ago. While we come up with all the various ways we think of the Magi, how can ANY OF US say or ant as if we KNOW what was what after +2000 years. Just enjoy learning someone else's view about the matter, no matter how different tp you'r own view, celebrate (or discount) the Magi as you set fit, and be within and enveloped by the Heart of our God of Light. Let one another have the views that are theirs, honor their ability to establish those for themselves, and enjoy your own views and what they mean to you. Knowing that you cannot know is more powerful than claiming you know all. And will help keep you humble as we're all should be.
we don't know the one true, pure, perfect, unadulterated truth - only what people wrote down and didn't destroy thru time
@lost
No, you don't know the truth because there's no truth to know.
It's ALL myth and legend.
In fact it's more likely than not that Jesus, the "Christ" never existed as a real person.
Grow up and do a bit more objective research.
The Heavens declare the glory of God. The Heavens being the Sun, Moon and the Stars. The Mazzaroth is a literal road map.
@@dukadarodear2176historians generally support the idea that Jesus was a historical figure who did exist.
Greetings from Kaspar!
So i guess Herod couldn't see the star? Thank You for this! Great work!
It's talkimg about space ship or plane just as primitives on islands would explain a plane. A star over the city.
@lost so if Jesus died and came back to life with eternal life where is he..? And where did he go? And how did he get there ? Jus vanished? If u say he died I can see how his spirit could travel somewhere but never during his life was he ever capable of teleportation why would he be able to after ? If he left it would have to be in some sort of vehicle unless we telling Santa stories..
@seeker No, it was a literal star. The Magi studied the Mazzaroth/Zodiac. Astronomy not Astrology.
Herod was not an astronomer.
He could have seen the star, but not recognize its significance. His astrologers could have seen it, realized what it meant, but were too afraid of Herod to explain it to him.
Hi John. Listened on this morning Wed. Aug. 2nd. Who Was Mary? Very interesting , Amazing how little there is on her. Liked very much. Thank you. Kathy from Ft. Collins, Coo. Congregation
Malekyoir could be mix of Hebrew and Persian; Melekh (King in Hebrew) and Yar( friend in Persian) .
Keep in mind Shahyar is an actual Persian name that has been popular in Iran since Sassanid era
The tribe Mug (Mag), the priests of Zoroastrianism, came from Media (modern day Azerbaijan,) were proficient in many fields, such as astrology, medicine, spell, metallurgy . There are many toponyms related to Mugs still exist in Azerbaijan. In the book of Enoch the fallen angel Azazel thought people who lived in this area to all those things (spell, magic, metallurgy, crafts and so on)
and the dreams interpretation
Yes, however due the name of this Iranian median tribe, all Zoroastrians priests started being referred as Mogh (Magi in Persian) in all of Persia
The moogooei tribe of Bakhtiari people are their descendants, in their folklores and everyday believes you see the trace of old believes. Mogu were a tribe
The Book of Enoch is ridiculous and not Biblical at all.
@@Hermesborugerdian Yes ..... they were belonged to the "Dayre-Mogan" or club of Maggies.
I hope you do a talk on the Bahai Faith and it's views and beliefs. Baha'u'llah talks about Zoroaster quite a bit. Lately I've started thinking Zoroaster was the beginning of the Magi.
Ahhh yes, Bahai: the Illuminati Religion.
I used to be a Baha'i, and yes, we were taught that the Magi were Zoroastrian priests, that were following a Zoroastrian prophecy when they followed the star to find the Christ Child. I've never found any historical evidence to support that theory. But in a way it might make some sense. The Persian Empire had conquered the Babylonian Empire, where the Jews had been held captive for 70 years. The Persians released the Jews from captivity, allowing them to return to Israel. They were also monotheistic, being Zoroastrian. Many of the Jews chose to stay, so it's conceivable that the Persians could have been influenced by their religious beliefs. It may very well be that they understood enough of the Hebrew Prophecies about the coming of Messiah, to then follow the Star to where the Christ was.
After 1:15:14 long video I did not understand who the Magi were. So who were the Magi?
There were no magi. It's a story.
If when my son was born, wise men/hermits/princes turned up bearing rare gifts, I would remember it. But Mary tells her son to stop wasting time in the synagogue, and no-one in Nazareth seems to point to the adolescent Jesus and say " hey, that's the dude that those wise men visited." And did the family flee to Egypt, or stay in Bethlehem; can't be both.
that’s because our Lord was not born in California
Last phrase was truer than anything said in church
He’s in church.
Can they write questions down to ask at the end so we can keep going
Merci
Matthew's quotes about Nazareth and Nazarene is hotly debated, and there are many other sources that defend and make sense of this position. We should not expect the lecturer to know everything about the full mystery of God, or to lay out every single position in such a short space of time.
Don't take everything he says as 'gospel' but do your own research. This has been great for me as his challenges to my belief made me search for the truth, and my faith is not swayed. Many church fathers were aware of some of the discrepancies but they were not swayed ultimately.
A small point that sometimes gets lost in discussions - if the Persians had won their wars with the Greeks (Thermopylae, Marathon, etc) they would have overrrun Europe and Zoroastrianism would have spread throughout the continent as the state religion (Zoroastrian cults such as Mithraism were already popular with the Romans). Christianity would have probably never taken hold, certainly not to the extent it did, and Zoroastrianism would have been the major religion today instead of the almost-extinct status it has today. That's how history works - sometimes all it takes is a battle or two for humanity to change and go off in different directions.
Very true, that this is how history works. And fortunately, God is the author of that history.
@@artdanks4846 "God" has nothing to do with this. Stop spewing mythological rubbish.
i think i know why leaps of faith are so important now.
I think it was St. Augustine himself who said a leap of faith was required to overcome the intellect. That wasn't meant insultingly. After all, he was a brilliant guy, and just needed a way to connect with God.
Very lengthy leaps required
Matthew's claim that the messiah was prophesied to be from Nazareth is a midrashic extrapolation from Isaiah 11:1, "shoot from Jesse." "Branch" or "shoot" is "nitser". If you put in other vowels and semi-vowel performatives to NZR you can force out the "Nazareth" interpretation.
Good lecture, but if they were from different countries, why would they not go home?
Brilliant video, thanks! Myrrh is the main ingredient in Chrysm, the holy oil used in anointing. It's still used in the UK to anoint new monarchs in the coronation ceremony, this part was considered too holy to be filmed in the 1952 coronation of Queen Elizabeth so it is was screened off. In a literal sense our monarchs are "Christs".
So presumably chrysm or chrism, is etymologially related to Christ. Both related to Greek words for anointing and anointed (of the monarch at the coronation). Which could be an alternative theory why Myrrh was one of the three gifts, rather than that given in the video about anointing the dead.
Is the office of king or queen not the head of the Anglican church? Because that makes sense to me.
@@yakamen yes, head of the Anglican church (also "defender of the faith" the title ironically given to Henry VIII by the Pope), and head of state.
@@yakamenKings and high priests in judaism were both annointed with oil. So all jewish kings and high priests were christs.
Is this lecture in Australia? Would love to talk this speaker
Magi reminds me or my mind connects to the arpad dynasty. BC AD time seem to have been recorded by arc rulers of the time year lord
Great historical lecture and demeanor Sir!
People quite frequently today report seeing ufos, whatever they are, and they would have been seeing them frequently in ancient times.
And only a ufo would fit the scenario of being able to be followed, not a star. And also the scenario that ufos are explained away as stars or
something so as not to be called crazy.
Oh thank God I'm not the only one who thinks this...! 🏆
Indeed there is definitely a reform during this time...particularly away from animal/human sacrifice
Plus a move away from several gods to monotheism
Thanx for the info, btw😊
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Interesting that Isaiah 60 actually talks specifically of people from the islands, then mentions Sheba, Kedar, Tarshish of people going to Jerusalem. Isaiah talks quite a bit of these isles of the East. Not sure if scholars just want to ignore this or really don't think of it.
Strong's H339 - 'iy
It means an habitable land, distinguishable from the sea or a river.
@@25centsworth The reference to “ships” would distinguish it from a land locked land like Kansas, would you agree?
@@robertvidal3935 If you are referring to Isa 60:9, 'the ships of Tarshish', I think it's safe to assume that the city of Tarshish, wherever it was located, was a port city west of Jerusalem.
@@25centsworth Isaiah 24:25 “East”, “islands of the sea”.
@@robertvidal3935 There is no Isa 24:25. And, 'islands of the sea' is in Isa 11:11. Read it again. There is no 'east' mentioned relative to it.
The three kings lived in Iran for years preaching to people . There toms are still near to kashan’s city
Gustav Fechner developed an Avestic Christianity. He wrote a book called the Little Book of Life After Death. He is considered to be a pioneer in psychology and also inspired one of the greatest mathematicians in human history Bernard Riemann.
I'm playing this and he says epiphany was yesterday , thats correct , two years ago and today
Thank you for your presentations very very informative. In the case Balthazar, Balthassar what were the identifying features to distinguish "Arabs from "Africans" if possible?. Why would Western projection of ethnicity have anything to do with it?
who is the speaker ?
I thought this was about Magi...where exactly from and the purpose!
The Persians were a branch off of the Corded Ware culture. Apocalypse is also found among the Germanic branch of the Corded Ware, etc.
1:06:00 minor point but I think the Chinese have historically (and even now to an extent) make you go back to your family's hometown for certain government things. I think it is called hukou
Hukou is a modern invented system and not being implemented in ancient China.
The romans did not. By the was Jesus is born under the hewish king Herod in one story and under Roman rule in the other story. Neither can be true as there is a ten year minimum gap.
Huge omission, It was the Persian, Zoroastrian Empire that liberated the Jews from Babylonian conquest, slavery. Osmosis of Zoroastrian ideas into The Old Testament was not a result of casual encounters with neighboring religions.
There were numerous decentralized copies of the writings of Moses way before the Persians ever liberated the Israelites. They were the only monotheistic religions at the time and that’s why King Cyrus allowed them to return.
@@thegardener8972 Zoroastrianism forbid slavery is why liberated. Never read your theory before. Close to a 1000 years before liberated, Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaton was already monotheistic. Believe he was contemporary of Moses, possibly step brothers. Zoroastrianism predates both of them. Mosaic law, how much was penned by Moses is debated by scholars, and Moses certainly did not author the entire Old Testament.
The Jews in Babylon were not slaves. Ezekiel's story makes that clear. Their lower classes were resettled as farmers along the river. Many of their elites served the royal court of Babylon as elites too. The Babylonians even let the House of David set themselves up as exilarchs, a position they kept well into medieval times. When Zerubabbel, born and raised as a noble in cosmopolitan Babylon, was sent off to rebuild Jerusalem he probably wasn't too happy about it.
It's a form of syncronism that this
Video is increse in numbers of views
We should read the same books sometimes.
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The flaw in historical investigation is that it is never settled. All assumptions are arrived at on the review of scantily available evidence. Should more evidence be uncovered that potentially affects the previous assumption. So on and so forth. It is a far more sober approach to take the experts viewpoints with a grain of salt. It is never in their place to be entirely sure as their line of work doesn't allow that. Rather it promotes enquiry and inquisition more than delivering final answers.
Experts are prone to bias. Why would Josephus, who lived later, be a more credible source of the historicity of Jesus than his eye witnesses? Is it because he was a historian, and therefore credible, or that he wasn't a Christian? Luke was a Greek doctor who lived in the time of Jesus. Is his account not weightier than Josephus's who has no other corroborating contemporary?
The gossiple of Luke is from a Greek doctor?
Myrrh was actually a well known contraceptive at the time. So they brought money, perfume, and contraceptives...lol
Lol
Was this done during the pandemic?
I think it was done before. They moved to virtual meetups during the pandemic, and those just have him speaking to the monitor, no audience due to social distancing. I think they still do services this way. It's actually a liberal church congregation.
@@yakamen thank you!
Most people don't know but there was a fourth wise man He is not talked about much because he brought a fruitcake.
😂
I would have taken a Madeira cake - cheap, but a crowd pleaser
Historians associate Caspar with King Gondophares (AD 21 - c. AD 47) mentioned in the Acts of Thomas. Thus One of the magi may have been a delegate of the same Indo Parthian king
The prophets would be called mediums or chandeliers at this time. Was the Bible written through automatic writing or just from the prophets experiences?
🔥 Zoroastrians priests honoring Jesus at his birth makes perfect sense.
🕎Judaism teaches that there is NO Devil and what appears to be evil, is actually G-d concealing Himself.
Jesus put himself in opposition to Judaism with his Devil theology.
But the 🔥Zoroastrians advocated him.
According to ihe Bible how many of the magi were there?
The professor sounds like he's still in his twenties
Going into 60s.
In the bible, a star is always an angel.
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Both Jesus and Lucifer are called star of the morning in scripture! Stuff I ve read but haven't researched!
Where does it say that?
For the first century Jews, was the 2nd Temple more a symbol of fear or of hope?
28:05 The Parthian Empire which ruled Persia at that time had no state reøigion. Zoroastrianism appeared to become a state religion by Sassanids.
They was the size men the occultist from ancient time's magician means wise man a man who understands nature laws and occult law's. It's that simple.
Unfortunately so was your sentence
Learn how to type
@@Jacob-sb3su it's called automatic correction and sending it too soon. But thanks grammar police.
Or you know, Zoroastrian priests.
@@lewisham that's the same thing as a wise man. Yes lol it gos through out all cultures through out Time.
The most interesting description, In my opinion, of the three wise men is in the novel BEN HUR by Lew Wallace. They are described as hermits, one from Egypt, another from Greece and the third from India, who each had an epiphany which led them to Bethlehem guided by a star...
Book publishing is no different than newspapers magazines radio and TV... Total squat controlled garbage
Interesting as in insane?
Rubbish. Please stop gaining your knowledge from historical novels and movies.
We are living on a rotating planet. So the idea to follow a star to a village shows that people have no idea of orientation. In reality magoi are persian priests who read the stars as messages from the gods. So if a great king is born under a certain star conjunction they exoect it to hapoen again under the same conjunction dozens of years later. Tgey were a kinf of astrologers with a firm base in the belief that the will of persuan gods is shown in the stars.
Bethlehem was a mere village back then. There's no reason to expect Josephus or any other writer to mention the murder of a few dozen, at most, children, especially if Herod did not publicize why he ordered it.
Derp derp derp. Fictional stories by fiction writers.
The story of Herod murdering children actually refers to the fact that Herod actually murdered his own sons (by princess Mariamne)because he feared that they and their Jewish mother were plotting to overthrow him.Herod himself was not Jewish but his wife was -of the Jewish royal dynasty of the Hasmonaeans so Herod's sons,having a Jewish mother,would have been more entitled to the throne than Herod himself.
@@kaloarepo288 Herod murdering his own sons shows that he would not have hesitated to kill a few dozen peasant children.
Killing his own kids would have been newsworthy by Josephus. Nobody liked Herod.
I think this a misunderstanding of Persian policy. Even after 200 years of rule in Bablyon, chaldean religion was still thriving there. Same with Canaanite religion and egyptian religion.
U really don't get an empire with a policy of religious exclusivity until the time of the roman Constantine 500 years later.
The Idumeans fully converted to Judaism🕎 in the generation before Herod, and were eventually absorbed into the Jewish people leaving no trace.
They converted because the Jewish king Hyrcanus conquered them and ordered them to either leave the Land of Israel, or convert to Judaism. So they converted to Judaism🕎, but remained among themselves.
Read Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews," book XIII, chapter IX.
"I'm herry happy that you all rerembered" - OK, thanks.
King is a spiritual title, the highest state of consciousness, as Yeshua was also called a king. It derives from the crown or aura that emanates from the head of the enlightened, art depicts this aura as a halo.
Oh also the Maya knew about it it's almost like how the Statue of Liberty is depicted with you could actually see almost like I guess horns or rays beaming off one's head connected to a spiritually enlightened beings.
@@JohnBrown722so Yes it is the crown and also the origin of unicorn, the spikes are known as horns and the Greek word for horn is Cornus. People who are thought to be divine are also depicted with horns like Moses or Alexander the Great.
@@JohnBrown722so Yes it is depicting the crown of an enlightened being. The spikes or rays are called horns and the origin of the word unicorn the Greek word for horn is Cornus. Revered persons who are believed divine are also depicted with horns for the same reason people such as Moses or Alexander the Great.
@@kilowhiskeyalpha6078 correct me if i am wrong but thats a latin word, but incorrectness like this fits the General pseudo enlightened babble here.
King is also a word from the german language tree, and if there was some special concept beware how much gets lost in translation. Bit easy you put it here, it like the " word " in the which was Logos in greek , which already was translated and still had more the meaning of thought or concept. Same here with the word King, to apply it to a concept of the hebrew word is neglecting simple at Best.
Astrologically it would be about by the positions of the stars at the time could have come to a conclusion that at a certain time or date someone like jesus that they were expecting would be born, by some sort of natal chart interpretation of the stars at that time.
since there was no star, I guess "wise" meant something way different back then... like screwed up on hashish
Doesn't it say The Child greeted the Maji at the door? Not as an infant?
No way was there a star then.
Magi... Persian wise Men Al la Mani.....
He says that Satan didn't exist in the early Jewish religion, but I'm wondering, what about the Satan, or adversary in the book of Job?
There were a few herods in the bible. Herod the great, herod archelau, herod of antipas
Is that traditionally there are three gifts; the gold, frankincense and myrrh, potentially a theological allusion to the Trinity?
All three represent the focuses of religion. They can represent what religion is worth in metaphor.
Gold is old and valuable, like religious truth. Frankinsense is beutifying and sense-appealing, like religious ritual. Myrrh is hard/bitter and effective, like religious work.
Gold is an old king (should be yellow, lol). Libanos is a young white king. Myrrh is a mid-aged brown king.
Yellow, White, and Brown. Truth. Beauty. Work.
A story can highlight the point, but obviously a story can also confuse it.
1. Gold is a precious metal which is hardly a weapon (the worst weapon really), so it is used by priests/rich as decoration because it lasts does not tarnish and so the military men do not break down the religious icons etc during times of war (when weapon metals are needed). As such, gold "appeals toward supernatural/eternal reality (aka the world is violence but religion is lasting peace)" Gold is thus tested by fire (purity) and water (density), to reveal it's eternal truth.
2. Frankincense means "true/pure/best incense." But the Greek word used was "Libanos" which means "white" or "Lebanon" and indeed was the name of resin from Boswellia trees spice/incense pain-reliever from the Lebanon area. Such "Lebanese incense" would have been used in religion a lot, especially where people didn't shower and the homeless where allowed entrance. Take that for what you will. As such, white incense "appeals toward making things appealing" Frankincense/Libanos is thus used through burning it as sacrifice to attain something worth in the short-term. The incense was used in burnt sacrifices and obviously in cremations.
3. Myrrh is "bitter" brown colored resin from thorny trees. It could be made into oil used by religion to preserve things like in embalming the dead or oil-pickling (as opposed to vinegar pickling) of food. It could also be used as an incense. It is also a pain reliever. And was a main ingredient in Anointing oil (you anoint the sacrifices so they burn better, and you anoint the High Priest and the King so they "symbolize" that they are "sacrificing" by "serving the people as leaders" ). As such, brown oil "appeals towards making things that are perishable either perish better or last longer depending on the need."
Well said. Typical no 1 picks up on these specific things. GOD b with u
It´s extremely complex, the anonymous author of Matthew wrote decades after Jesus death. Did he guess on behalf of Matthew that this narrative was the correct one. Nobody knew about Jesus when he was born then when he died they realized he was the Son of God, the author knowing that Matthew was a jew who followed the Hebrew Scripture tried to add the tradition into Jesus life. This also happened on Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”) Jesus had nothing to do with the Laws he was a transgressor and total liberal, did not wash his hands before eating, did not accept tithe, embrace women, the leper, did not respect the Sabbath,, ate pork. INRI on the cross meaning "Jesus the King of Jews" romans put there because jews asked them to mock Jesus. Matthew pushed Jesus into the Old Testament, no wonder we call today the Religion "Judeo - Christian"
It is more likely that the gold, frankincense, and mir were the required traditional gifts which dispossessed nobles offered to a foreign king as a way to gain peaceful assylum in that ruler's land. That is what stirred confusion over whether Herod's reign was truly appointed by God, since the Jews knew that Herod was appointed as King by authority of Rome, yet these noblemen did not offer him these gifts.
@@luizverdecanna8023 Matthew is a symbolic code name. The gospels accepted into testament by later councils were not traditionally named.
Read Isaiah and it associates the savior/deliverer... The reed that bends but does not break... With the three ritual elements.
It is likely the medieval traditions of three wise men, instead of the unnumbered group in Matthew, were to symbolically cement the Trinity concept by symbolism. There were three gifts.
Three sons of Adam
Three sons of Noah to populate the cleansed by water Earth
God, the Son of Man and The Comforter
European scholarly leaders were also very tied to Socrates and Plato with the Earthly symbolism of the perfect unseen thing. Also the Plato assertion that all men were born evil through their original essence.
Now go read the second book of The Republic about the fate of a essence pious man that appeared in the City.... And what happens to him. A little story/parable from 390bc.
Ophir, Tarshis, Sheba and Seba
Magus or magi is a magician or someone who practices magic, or anything seen as a mystery by the people which would include astrology or even astronomy at the time.
Zoroaster was a Brahman and came from the Indus valley. Brahman was what the descends of Abraham were called this is confirmed in the last book written by Issac Newton. In the first chapter of Malichi it says everyone except the Jews are offering good sacrifices to the lord. Which means Zoroaster taught everyone about Mithra was more correct than the Jews not teaching about a coming Messiah.
After Reynaldo Gonzales observation of a Star humage to pay
First, thank you for the interesting and accurate information provided here. I can respect the time it takes to research information from the annuls of time and try to present it in bite sized chunks for consumption for the masses. One item I'd like to consider (I watched the video but can't recall if it was brought out here so I'll state it). The whole idea and traditional tale of "3 wise men", (which traditionally derives from the 3 gifts and fictitious nativity scenes) vs "wise men", should be addressed in my opinion if facts are significant in the presentation. If facts are not important then I would question the benefit of the work. It also makes other information provided "questionable" at best. Representing your denomination should be secondary to truth in my opinion.
It's addressed at 31:27
Strange that they are praised when they likely used astrology and divination to determine when and where they should go.
Magi r Chaldean from Babylon. Magi in Aramaic means astrologer. The east is always referencing Babylon not Persia.
They actually might have been instructed through the ages until Jesus was born by Daniel, it may have been one of the things Daniel had to seal up until the end days. Any how I agree they came from Babylon or Persia and Daniel's teachings or instructions has a lot to do with it. God bless you mate.
The word went from Persian into Aramaic later, on however it strictly refers to Zoroastrian priests. Mogh was one of the many Iranian tribes who chose the priests which is why they gave their name to this entire class of people
@@Hermesborugerdian other way round Chaldeans were the teachers in that whole region after the empire fell persian ruled and they used persian instead of Aramaic
@@bass9351 actually that’s not true, The Empire kept using Aramaic even under Persian rule, it’s just that the concept of Magi is a very Aryan concept that came from Persians, however I agree with you that astronomy was a Babylonian thing so the Association of astrology with the Persian Magis may had to do with Persians ruling over Babylon. However you must keep in mind that by the time Jesus is born the capital of Persia is Babylon and that’s the period that Chaldeans are declining and Babylon is known as a highly Jewish and Persian place.
@Spolierman I’m pretty much agree with you, however keep on mind Persian province of Assurestan is basically Syria, while Mesopotamia was Ctesiphon with a high Persian and Jewish population by Sassanid era
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Why would the 3 be found in Persia? Didn't they each go back to their own countries and die there?
I’m curious why no one makes any connection between the ancient Phoenician “bee kings” priests to Ishtar/ Astarte/ Venus, known as the Essenes, the Gnostics, the Sophists (Sophia is “wisdom” in Greek) rhetoricians of Greece that caused the death of Socrates, could also be of the same group as the “wise men” or “ three kings”, and also the scribes, the lawyers, the sopherim, that Jesus accuses along with the Pharisees as false interpreters of the law,
There were 3 sects of Jewish leadership in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus according to Josephus:
The Sadducees
The Pharisees
And the Essenes
I believe the Essenes were the perpetuators of the written law, but manipulated the understanding of it through ecumenical councils, that outwardly appeared righteous, but were inwardly greedy for wealth, power, and prestige.
The oldest surviving manuscript (K1) of an Avestan language text is dated 1323 CE. There was certainly an ancient Persian religion that used some symbols and god names found in Zoroastrianism that goes back to darius or before. But I think we need to be carefully about the EXACT traditions and beliefs we apply to that ancient religion. Just because the 14th century avesta uses the same god names does NOT mean the none of the religious beliefs changed one iota between 1000BC to 1300AD. 2000 years is a long time. Or does the oft talked about "game of telephone" only apply to Christian texts?. It is possible Zoroastrianism borrowed material from Christianity and Judaism. Evidence for that would be the some of similarities found in the Avesta to the Christ story. Written copies of the Christ story PREDATE the copies of the avesta we have, so it is illogical (and a violation of the methods of modern historical scholarship to try to apply the influence in the opposite direction.