yeah its kinda double edged i mean its not bad cause u get more attacks in especially good with champs that have attacks that reset with AA or needs stacks to trigger defo a good combo when u get mystic punc and usually attack slowly...
@@luxaly9510 It's actually not double-edged since it's supposed to be picked on champs that need attack speed and have no on-hit effects. Jinx, Caitlyn would be super busted with this augment. Xayah with Navori Quickblade too since she can stack a lot of feathers. So you're not supposed to take it on champs that rely on on-hit effects like Vayne or Kai'Sa since it makes them even weaker.
@@linhttm58 it reduces attacks damage + on hits jinx is hit the same as any other^^ but they changed it so u do 55% dmg with 100% total AS now... so its a net win for all attacking champs
Azir is another champion who does well with dual wield. His W works where the first soldier does 100% damage, and each additional soldier does 25% damage. But with Dual Wield only the first soldier has its damage reduced, every additional soldier is doing the full 25% damage.
You have not even harnessed close to enough of its power. If you get Hexbolt Companion on Zeri with Dual Wield and Darksteel Talons on Ally Rammus those Qs are going to proc 200 true damage 3 times per auto, added to all of that OP stuff
Imagine kalista with dual wield and dashing. Also what happens if you build on hit items with dual wield but your partner has hexbolt? Do the hexbolt on hits get reduced? What about vise versa?
@@demons785 thats 3200 damage basically an auto. What he was facing had high armor about 80% reduction and like 7k hp, it makes sense that ldr would have dramatically boosted damage, like two fold
I love dual wielding. Had a super lucky game couple of weeks ago where i had duel wielding,dashing and reapers toll. I reached the attack speed limit of 10.00
bel'veth E scales on total AS (test with ult) but dual wield more than halves bel'veth damages. Bel'veth already got a minus 20% damage and on hit modifier and dual wield add an extra 50% meaning that your damages go from 80% to 30%. There is the true reason why dual wield on bel'veth is awful
Actually, Fizz is also extremely op with that augment. His W dot on hit basically counts as separate ability damage, which means that it also stacks things like Phenomal Evil and also applies the Hellfire Hatchet effect. Playing on hit Fizz while going dull attack speed with hell fire Hatchet basically makes him pretty much unkillable, given you have the right augments / items.
Riot should just start balancing this mode around edge cases because it is getting to the point there is so many edge cases a super op edge case is appearing every game and sometimes multiple times per game and the game is just decided on who got the most op combo. I know that riot doesn't care that much about balance but these augments are getting to the point where they are swinging pretty much every single game wildly and that isn't fun.
On most champions, the augment is absolutely useless, since it doubles Attack Speed, but halves damage from autos and On-Hits. So on most, it just does not do anything (as a prismatic). On Jhin it’s even worse, he deals half damage, but does not even gain anything from the AS, because his passive only scales with bonus AS, not total AS. I don’t know of any other augment which comes even close to being that bad. Some might be close to useless, but at least don’t have impactful negative effects.
@@josh7825 First mistake was treating dual wield like a damage prismatic. Never has been, never will be. Its a sustain auto-attackers dream. Xin zhao with hexbolt companion can abuse it to get 20 fully effective sword of blossom and hellfire hatchet procs per second. God roll firebrand and all you're damage issues are solved.
because as a prismatic, which is an extremely competitive pool of augments, it does literally nothing on most champs. Oh boy you attack twice as fast but all your damage is halved. It's literally net zero. It does not affect you positively, but it can affect you negatively if you're not fully utilizing your attack speed. It only comes online with stuff like hexbolt companion. No other prismatic requires other things to be good, they'll atleast be positives even if they're not GREAT.
@@calisong6554It's still not the worst one. It's more of a niche thing but can be extremely strong in many champions that benefit from attack speed. On Yi for example it's one of the best augments. Going Rageblade, Hellfire Hatchet and some on hit and you are even able to beat an armor stacking Rammus. Hellfire Hatchet's healing is extremely strong when combined with high amounts of attack speed. I don't know if it got fixed with the dual wield rework but the reduced on hit effects on fan the hammer and dual wield don't apply for Hatchet's on hit effects.
@@swaggermitdemdagger this item has no damage on-hit, but marks are given to the enemy, which deal periodic damage. It's the same with the crit item (harbinger?)
@@Akkordys I meant the healing on-hit effect, which wasn't affected by the reduced on-hit effects. Even Bel'Veths E can instantly heal her to full hp, even when the enemies are full hp themselves. It's just a broken interaction that will probably not be fixed anytime soon.
not having quick cast on zeri Q is criminal and disgusting, get help
Its near unwatchable
Real, I understand on some other champs like jhin where you might not want it on E, but Zeri???
actually painful to watch
actual torturing
im that guy too
I love how it's either "no damage" or "too much damage".
yeah its kinda double edged i mean its not bad cause u get more attacks in especially good with champs that have attacks that reset with AA or needs stacks to trigger defo a good combo when u get mystic punc and usually attack slowly...
cuz no ldr
@@luxaly9510 It's actually not double-edged since it's supposed to be picked on champs that need attack speed and have no on-hit effects. Jinx, Caitlyn would be super busted with this augment. Xayah with Navori Quickblade too since she can stack a lot of feathers. So you're not supposed to take it on champs that rely on on-hit effects like Vayne or Kai'Sa since it makes them even weaker.
@@linhttm58 it reduces attacks damage + on hits jinx is hit the same as any other^^ but they changed it so u do 55% dmg with 100% total AS now... so its a net win for all attacking champs
@@luxaly9510 lol I totally forgot the part where it reduces your attack damage. But yah they just buffed it so it's not that bad right now.
Kalista just absolutely zooming may be one of the best things I've seen.
My highest ad is 1263 ad on Kled cause of gamba aug and getting demon crown, dragon heart and ad mult augs
@@deirasjankauskas3381who?
Azir is another champion who does well with dual wield. His W works where the first soldier does 100% damage, and each additional soldier does 25% damage. But with Dual Wield only the first soldier has its damage reduced, every additional soldier is doing the full 25% damage.
No armor pen with 1600 ad is diabolical
then she wouldnt be at 1000 move speed
she would probably just win the game instantly
It's really hard to watch Zeri without quick casts. Like, with all those excessive mouse clicks, you lose 30 to 50% dps
theres also an option to fire on release key or pressing another ability key. that way you can see the range indicator on press
might be quick cast with indicator but idk
Playing Zeri no Quickcasting Q should be a banable crime
was painful to watch
You have not even harnessed close to enough of its power. If you get Hexbolt Companion on Zeri with Dual Wield and Darksteel Talons on Ally Rammus those Qs are going to proc 200 true damage 3 times per auto, added to all of that OP stuff
hexbolt with zeri procs multiple times per auto ??
@@aladdin8423 thrice, for whatever reason
Such a criminal when you have an insane setup but refuse to build armor pen
Best song from tft hands down
Following one of the last Nidhogg vids, dual wield on phenomenal evil Fizz should be insane
The Zeri build but additionally with tap dancer has to be one of the most broken combos in arena
I was reborn with a useless skill, but it turns out it's actually OP 😂
TFT Set 10 Ost damn... i miss it already
no quick cast on zeri Q and refusing to build armor pen into all tanks at the end should honestly be bannable, if not a felony
No quick cast on zeri, No attack move on kalista. You my friend, are a mad man 😂
Imagine kalista with dual wield and dashing.
Also what happens if you build on hit items with dual wield but your partner has hexbolt? Do the hexbolt on hits get reduced? What about vise versa?
Garen? Helicopter helicoperg
It's crazy how low damage Zeri is as a champ that she needs all of this just to deal the same damage as a normal Draven
He didnt build pen and didnt play her correctly, of course it would seem that way.
@@chaosplayer9903 its 1.600 ad not just 200 lol it should implode ppl xD
@@demons785 thats 3200 damage basically an auto. What he was facing had high armor about 80% reduction and like 7k hp, it makes sense that ldr would have dramatically boosted damage, like two fold
@@sandromaspindzelashvili5767 true but he wouldn t have that much ad either
ye 30 less coz of infi
When you're in a being useless competition and your opponent is the Tryndamere from the first game
Hey, you forgot to mention that hell fire hatchet healing isn't reduced from on bits
ive never gotten this, but im curious if it works with Azir, since his attacks are kind of ability casts and he attacks with magic damage
surprised not to see dashing on kalista tbh, since her passive counts as a dashing ability and nets her a lot of as
Now get everything.
Reaper's toll + Fan the Hammer + Dual wield + Symphony of war
What if the last song that plays, the song description isn't helping me.
or you can do that with kalista + the peel item which gives hp to an ally everytime you auto an enemy. you can quite literally peel them insanely
What about the burn on yun tal arrows? Does it get reduced from dual wield? And doesn't it stack infinitely?
Poeple not playing with wuick cast always confused me. How do you react fast enough?
I had fun Gwen game with that augment, crazy aa speed.
tanks almost killing the ADC with 1.3k ADs is LoL in a nutshell.
It was insane seeing that kiting with that many speed, why didn't you use A or X to do it more quickly?
because he's bad, it's that simple
Zeri without quick cast and kalista without attack move is painful to watch
I love dual wielding. Had a super lucky game couple of weeks ago where i had duel wielding,dashing and reapers toll. I reached the attack speed limit of 10.00
I had ashe with that augment + the item that deletes part of the enemys max health, it was something else
Just a reminder that tft disco soundtrack is goated
he cant do attack move? on kalista?
Xayah also kind of benefit from Dual wield with navori quickblades.
if it only reduce onhit dmg, the hellfire blade(?) should heal for full right?
kalista with dual wiling and dashing(as the ability haste for dashes is convertet into attack speed) its even more broken
It's an augment for champs that depend on their on-hit items.
Does it also reduce the dmg from silver bolts? (Vayne's W)
im still confused on why jhin and belveth don't scale with tap dancer
tahm casually taking 200 dmg per auto vs a 1600ad zeri
Does this augment work on jhin at all for damage? or is it a net negative (aside from MS)
It’s a net negative and he does not gain any movement speed.
build lethality on kalista and her e will do even more damage since you are not basing your damage off of her aa but her stacked e
to get enough lethality you should waste alot of as
Turn out dual wield is for the enchanter to use blossoming dawn
Are you faster with dashing kalista or dual wield kalista now ?
What about Vayne? Why no one uses vayne? True damage cannot be reduced.
It is.
Bro got all the buffs meanwhile im here losing to ap yadou and yone 😂
what about katarina ult, its dosen´t scale with atack speed?
bel'veth E scales on total AS (test with ult) but dual wield more than halves bel'veth damages. Bel'veth already got a minus 20% damage and on hit modifier and dual wield add an extra 50% meaning that your damages go from 80% to 30%. There is the true reason why dual wield on bel'veth is awful
6:33 ADC KEKW
next Patch the Augment is good on any Autoattacker since they buff it
You would have one shot everyone if you had Lord Dominic's instead of IE
most perfect roll ive ever seen
If only you could play Kalista now xD
does this work with with vayne W?
Its bad but has its uses, Matryoshka is gutted and completely trash imo
Wait...dual wield is the worst augment? Since when?
Yeah your zeri is cool or whatever , but what the hell did shen build ????
I keybind attack command to T so I just press T then right click to kite.
4:08 what a shame
now lets see you break circle of death. pretty sure thats the worst aug in the game
POV: me listening to the backround music🕺💃🕺💃
How about how effective it is on Vayne?
it reduces her true damage as well, so not worth. there are other better prismatics for her.
What about Ivern W?
Actually, Fizz is also extremely op with that augment. His W dot on hit basically counts as separate ability damage, which means that it also stacks things like Phenomal Evil and also applies the Hellfire Hatchet effect. Playing on hit Fizz while going dull attack speed with hell fire Hatchet basically makes him pretty much unkillable, given you have the right augments / items.
Riot should just start balancing this mode around edge cases because it is getting to the point there is so many edge cases a super op edge case is appearing every game and sometimes multiple times per game and the game is just decided on who got the most op combo. I know that riot doesn't care that much about balance but these augments are getting to the point where they are swinging pretty much every single game wildly and that isn't fun.
Yes then go play normal ro rank
please use attack move on kalista mr lab 😿
1:01 music name ?
Tft Disco trait
Tft set 10 groovy music
it fuckin triggers me why no smart cast Q zeri
played dual weild with cho'gath and won the game xd
what about xayah?
I think Xayah could work well with this augment with Navori Quickblade. Since she doesn't have any on-hit effects.
LoL is balanced
bruh just shift click on kalista ...
well it goods on TF too
254 is not the max
(First) really? This is one of the worst arguments I feel like there’s much worse.
A “damage” prismatic that doesn’t affect damage is horrible
On most champions, the augment is absolutely useless, since it doubles Attack Speed, but halves damage from autos and On-Hits. So on most, it just does not do anything (as a prismatic).
On Jhin it’s even worse, he deals half damage, but does not even gain anything from the AS, because his passive only scales with bonus AS, not total AS. I don’t know of any other augment which comes even close to being that bad. Some might be close to useless, but at least don’t have impactful negative effects.
@@josh7825 First mistake was treating dual wield like a damage prismatic. Never has been, never will be. Its a sustain auto-attackers dream. Xin zhao with hexbolt companion can abuse it to get 20 fully effective sword of blossom and hellfire hatchet procs per second. God roll firebrand and all you're damage issues are solved.
Worst? In which Galaxy my dude
because as a prismatic, which is an extremely competitive pool of augments, it does literally nothing on most champs. Oh boy you attack twice as fast but all your damage is halved. It's literally net zero. It does not affect you positively, but it can affect you negatively if you're not fully utilizing your attack speed. It only comes online with stuff like hexbolt companion. No other prismatic requires other things to be good, they'll atleast be positives even if they're not GREAT.
@@calisong6554It's still not the worst one. It's more of a niche thing but can be extremely strong in many champions that benefit from attack speed. On Yi for example it's one of the best augments. Going Rageblade, Hellfire Hatchet and some on hit and you are even able to beat an armor stacking Rammus. Hellfire Hatchet's healing is extremely strong when combined with high amounts of attack speed. I don't know if it got fixed with the dual wield rework but the reduced on hit effects on fan the hammer and dual wield don't apply for Hatchet's on hit effects.
@@swaggermitdemdagger this item has no damage on-hit, but marks are given to the enemy, which deal periodic damage. It's the same with the crit item (harbinger?)
@@Akkordys I meant the healing on-hit effect, which wasn't affected by the reduced on-hit effects. Even Bel'Veths E can instantly heal her to full hp, even when the enemies are full hp themselves. It's just a broken interaction that will probably not be fixed anytime soon.
lol music is cringe
this game fucking sucks
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