The Rise of Support Camille
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Champions like Thresh or Nautilus, who can counter Camille's E, can also be counter.
But Edge of Night can counter that.
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Support Camille is a pick that even the pros are researching.
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That is indeed true, champions that are able to stun/relocate camile during initial E cast (pull animation) can easily counter simple engage. With edge of Night in mind Thresh would be the better option out of the two due to possibility to use Q->E if timed correctly and aimed precisely at the location of her hook/target should be able to stop or, if the target is Thresh himself, at least hold her for a bit. E would have to be used second after the Q windup to disable the spellsield.
Edge of night is making it WAYYY harder but it is possible.
I faced it in D1 EUNE and got away with (barely) it but it is incredibly oppresive pick. Players cannot treat Camile's dmg as the same as other support champions, simply imagine playing against normal Camile, the damage output in early-mid stages is very simmilar and the pick itself does not fall of lategame.
*Also note the fact that Camile's E stun is AOE, very simmilar in the way Ashe's R is. AOE is incredibly small but players are if stacked on top of eachother it will still stun both, keep that in mind so you won't end up wasting flash like the Nautilus did 4:27.
(I apologize for my bad english ahead of time)
Also thank you for another great video! I was thinking what was with that pick during the game but I was not aware of it being something of this Caliber.
I tried camille support with pta after watching druttut video, it's kinda op. but this shit even more op.
I played tank seraphine to counter her in lane ur double w wins trade into camille's e lvl 1 and ur well in lane vs her if u play safe. The only problem is map pressure
Broo please make a qiyana video pleaseee
Just having a chill time on a dobby video, and then smolder ults.
ffs this was SO LOUD lmao
@@Gemini_no_Saga fr riot made it so loud for some stupid reason, its also pretty bad in pro play too lol
I literally got jumpscared lmao
Saw a Caitlyn support there at 6:00, glad to see Korean Challenger finally copied my Bronze support build that I've been cooking
if bro is bronze still, he's not cooking
Bro they played it for a long time already
Clueless
lol that was a meta for a thousand years, caitlyn support made it to Worlds. You are cooking nothing, you just blind to the truth
Ur trolling. Dobby made a literal seperate video about it months ago
Ok guys , who had adc tf + support camille on the bingo board 1 year ago ?
Had Fiddlesticks and TF, sadge
I had lethality and Hob on my book, i missed the Role (top).
I had Kalitta support Leona adc
tf zilean even way back in the past lmao
@@ssrubenmf7296 s2 fiddle with unli fear every time the enemy's adc is gonna cs Sadge
i got supported by a camille once and i was like wtf (many weeks ago) after a success i tried it myself and it did work very well since i already used to play camille on toplane
supports go top tops go support
what a crazy meta
Nautilus, Maokai are supports that was top laners, followed by Poppy and Sett sometimes. Now it is Camille's turn to become a support.
I got non stop one shot across the screen when i was playing kaisa a few days ago by this. Every time i come to lane e r i am dead
ADC experience 😂
Oh boy, cant wait to see this every game now
you’re playing in boblow if you’re not already seeing it in your games
you havnt already been seeing this in every game ?
Nope, in plat/emerald elo rn
i like the synergys section u added this time around!
What a bizarre world we live in, where the role of ADC is to clear the wave so their damage-dealing support can carry
Crazy how many cool picks the removal of mythics introduced.
this pick was pretty fun with divine sunderer last season :D
Yeah really cool pick it sure is fun getting 1 shot by a support with a free item as an ADC
@@ThizzyMan ADCs before mid-game can get butt-clapped by literally anything. Even a Soraka Q max.
@@Briezar And late game they die to anyone with flash up with 0 counterplay, I love scaling!!!
Crybaby @@ThizzyMan
i have been seeing this pick for weeks
Goes to show how riot is just turning a blind eye to it
@@dizknots9357 cuz is going to be hard af to balance. how are you supposed to nerf it without affecting her whole gameplay as how she is supposed to be play (top/jungle).
@@celine_aeternarework
Keep doing that content mate, you are the best
The funny thing is Camille top is below average right now.
The champ is strong and scales better than before but her lane is atrocious between having a lot of unplayable matchups and the removal of walls.
But as support you are often laning against double squishy ranged or 1 squishy ranged 1 low damage tank, and Camille is especially good at beating you down if she's stronger than you, so Camille Support was born. There are also other major factors, like Bloodsong being a great Sheen item while Triforce being weak and DS being removed (and Camille needs a sheen item, it multiplies way too hard with her Q) so purchasing a good Sheen item for 400 gold makes you buy items that you simply couldn't get top like Eclipse and, well, Riot didn't remove walls from bot :D
Just one quick tip for everyone that wants to play Camille Support: it's not an easy champion. A friend of mine wich has been sitting between D2 and master the whole season playing champs like Blitz, Pyke and, well, every other mechanically difficult support out there, decided to give Camille a try in a low Emerald game with premade ADC smurfing on Draven. It went horribly, he didn't know what to do on the champ, he'd miss basic Es and not get the proper auto resets on the champ, and he never even tried to do something more fancy like E E Flash or E W E. If you like the champ you need to put some good practice into it.
It is literally the support item being OP...this will never work if the support item wasnt OP..stop making suggestions and l2p first
@@AryanGeneticsLiterally this
I bet you were the Draven
@@bashvash Nop, i play toplane :D
@@AryanGenetics Yes, the support item carries it for sure. Camille support was a very niche pick in previous seasons but then Riot made the perfect support item for her.
I also dont ge the flame...
I used this build and got M7 with her in a day and a half. Shes busted as a support haha! Thanks for the content Dobby!
Listen I'm a support main but I suck at melee champs and never played Camille before. It worked wonders.
why does this exist? because riot has overtuned brusiers SO MUCH that they litteraly auto win into adcs no matter the situation.
Played this since the start of S14 went from peak P4 to currently E2 pushing dia. Shits broken but fun af. I was a camille Top main since she came out
thanks for supporting my track _Stick Around You_ on this LoL video 🤩🤩
On the same note, Sylas with electrocute and bloodsong has insane damage aswell
i emember using teemo support back in season 5 or 6...
i though it woulddo great with the 2 second blind...
it didnt, but i won a lot of games, it was fun!
waiting for a video of Rek'Sai top comeback ^ ^
I'm a new player OTPing Tristana and I couldnt be happier when my support duo started picking up Camille😂
u forgot inginious hunter. It's fundamental cz every item benefits from it even the support item passive.
Depends on matchup if you hard destroy lane you can go that but delayed your first item by at least a minute
you're trading mid-late game damage for early damage, which is what Camille support is for. Also getting Eclipse quicker = more kills = more damage.
You are breaking Camille Q2 by shortening Bloodsong CD < 1.5.
@@sangun0619 how would the sheen effect having a lower cooldown effect that? it just means its ready slightly before the timer, which shouldn't impede actually getting the sheen proc on in.
can she work in the jg yet?
Because of the whole lethality and bloodsong item theres ALOT of champions that are becoming supports. Pick any level 1-4 champ and win lane. I saw a lethality sejuany support in masters the other day... all you need to know
Don't you just hate it when your main becomes an op pick in a different role which may warrant a nerf that will inadvertently hurt the main role? I really hope if they do target it, they nerf Bloodsong instead, because Top Camille is already in a fairly precarious state with how weak Trinity Force currently is.
Jax camille and fiora cries enough when they lost sunderer
@@dinhthochuong7633 You mean only Camille? Jax and Fiora are still pretty good picks, and they both were good against the tanks early this season, considering stuff like Trundle was at the top of the meta.
there are ways to nerf a certain role while buffing the other. One way is to target which ability a role is maxing first versus the other, in this case Support Camille maxes E while Top Camille maxes Q. Top Camille generally have more Ability Haste (AH) than support due to item paths (3F + Hydra), so mid-nerfing E cooldown (e.g. make it a static 15s cd instead of 16-12s) and buffing Q damage conversion + ratio would probably be the way to quick-fix her. Bloodsong would probably get nerfed to like 125% base ad scaling instead 150%.
The actual problem with Top Camille is actually the terrain instead of her numbers tho. Unless they do something to top lane terrain layout, she's not gonna get much stronger.
@@KiyanPocket Jax sucks already right now, and some of his builds even forgo getting TriForce in favor of an early Titanic/Sundered. When Jax, THE Sheen user, decides not to get TriForce, you know it is bad.
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 Jax for multiple seasons have always been getting Blade of the Ruined King first item, before and during the Mythic item introduction. Jax rushing Triforce is like 50 champion releases ago. Also, Jax isn't weak, he's just not around the top tier for the first time in a long time. There has been plenty of champions that could use some attention.
dobby has done it again.
oh god, now my friend's gonna watch this and try this with me, gonna off the league of a week or two I guess
🤣🤣🤣🤣i be that friend
I remember when my Jinx, Ashe bot lane died so hard for a weird Lucian, Camille bot lane. So that's why.
My favourite sup to play with Draven. Thank you Dobby.
Yeah, Camile sp appears in VCS long time ago, in this server every champ is SP. I saw the mot***f*in Yasuo in the role SP, Jay also, the only thing he does is farm the adc's crep and feeding.
I was doing this back around the beginning of season 8. Played a bunch of top lane champs as support but really had crazy results with Camille(jump on someone at lvl 2 with e and q), Volibear(all in at lvl 3 with true dmg bite), and Zac (old R when the duo is trying to hit the tower).
Shes definitely gonna get nerfed now that this caught on and it's even more op.
I was thinking to play this but also thought, "no way it can be this good."
i were literally in the same situtation as you then i tried it out and it is actually this good and also fun
Marksmen would absolutely have to buy steelcaps vs this haha
can riot remove brand jungle and add instead camille back ?
Whats with everything but normal adc and supports becoming meta adc and support?
eclipse > sundered sky on first item?
I saw edge of night, and eclipse, nope I'm sticking to her top lane, replacing those two items with ravenous, and GA way better items.
Pls for the love of god do a video on leeyagong diana mid pls dobby
For the first time I'm happy you dropped a video lmao, I want to see all the people first timing this and just inting. (also jk bout the happy, I always watch immediately lol)
been seeing this a lot in plat 1 and emerald so far.
looks good
Why have you done this? I've already been encountering support camilles who have been building it wrong and feeding. Now I'm actually going to have to deal with this for real.
I pocketpick Camille and Irelia adc every now and then. Im glad I can pick it support and not be troll.
this is how riot wanted to design pyke at first but they failed
Support Camille: good
Support players on Camille: very very bad
Doing exactly but with Fiora, and I'm climbing .
They're nerfing starter items next patch by making them unique, as in you can only get one starter.
This is Pantheon sup all over again lmao
Riot: "No I don't think the support items are too strong, why do you ask?"
Yes! Non standard supports are coming! I wonder how many of my personal choices will become more popular :)
I hope none because the only reason this shit works is because support item is broken
Please stop playing this. I do not want it on my team anymore.
idk i played it everytime i filled supp and won 7 out of 7
Shit is op as fuck
@@Weiss34 you can literally make any champ work in support with the rarted support item
Fact its not really good when u facing pro player
Shut up😊
The rise of Camille support was in part thanks to the fall of Camille top lane
5:38 what did Jinx say!?
> Win lane as Renekton
> Buy Maw 2nd vs heavy AP
> Support Camille with 2 items + support item goes top and annihilates you in a duel
I've been bringing jungler to the top lane for quite a long time now, guess it's time to bring top laner to the support role.
I do play " Yone Support " for a living , when I'm not being selected to top lane and the game make me to go support . Thanks for more creative :3:
5:34 lore accurate jinx
just shows how broken her kit and stats are for a top laner. poor adcs
The whole reason Camille is going support now is because she's dogshit in top lane, lmao.
Jesiz was ahead of his time smh
yeah man supports are totally fine rn nothing wrong with that no sir
more of an issue with how hillariously inflated bruisers are. i mean what could be wrong with camille having what amounts to tristana's entire kit in 1 button XD
I think that camille supp works well at the moment because of the large income of gold the support item gives,especially after lane phase ends. Riot is planning to nerf the passive gold given by the support item so this strat should get nerfed indirectly aswell.
Plz make more adc videos
It’s meh, try Annie support though, it’s way stronger than it should be, Build path, Zak, cd boot, Mali, rylias, liandrys, all you need to one shot adc or any other carry is mali. All the others are for supporting, -speed, -Mr, and max health burn. She’s really good at vision control, and pressuring by roaming/camping bush. She doesn’t have a hard counter in bot lane, she does good vs healer/enchanter caz she just wanna survive til 6. She does good vs hooks caz you can just blow out your full combo on enemy adc in one sec and watch them get kill by bear after you died. She can roam effectively with point and click stun. The only downside is she’s not that strong pre6, but once you get 6, you can ignore most disadvantages as long as you hit ult. And after 3 items, you can miss ult and still win caz bear with those items are too strong
i played this tank its fucking insane how good w is on a support
I'm surprised sup Camille isn't taking Ingenious Hunter to push Eclipse down to 4 seconds along with Sundered Sky, Sterak's Gage, Edge of Night, maybe even Umbral or Unending Despair.
In beating early lane by all means take it it just delays the first item spike but scales insane
you're trading early damage for mid-late damage. This pick is only good if your early game is good. Faster Eclipse = more kills = more damage = closing the game faster before your damage and tankiness drops.
Wait, what does it mean by "ADCs are a joke"??? Should it be ADCs are jokes? Or The ADC is a joke???
Support very balanced role, needs more gold income and xp I think
This thing is strong early but fell of a bit once mid game came.
Wouldnt PTA be better? You can instantly activate it and increase dmg by you and your adc a lot
I one trick it at high diamond right now and hail of blades just gives you the lvl 1-5 power to bully in lane while with pta you scale better but it's not worth it
@@airv9522 the hob dmg never gives you more damage than pta?
@@hamsgit does for short trades in lane,Camille like short trades
@@sheepenjoyer3007 even with HoB and E ATSP she needs minimum 2,5sec to AA 3 times right? I dont know how much ATSP you actually have but id guess. On lvl 1 you can easily get PTA off cuz the enemies are lvl 1 aswell. And lvl 2 you can instantly activate with double Q making lvl 2 insanely dangerous
HOB attacks doesn't reduce when you do AA resets, that's how Camille can attack 5 times in 2s and burst her target (7:55). Most of the damage comes from Camille herself, not the ADC so PTA dmg boost is wasted. You also have to take useless runes from Precision tree and skipping Shield Bash + Bone Plating because you need Treasure Hunter + Sudden Impact.
Skipping the true damage conversion from Q2 just to activate PTA is a huge damage loss and shouldn't even be considered an option.
Another funny pick, time to be a problem RIOT
Guys isnt INGENIOUS hunter straight up op? It works on Sheen + Eclipse + Sundered Sky + Steraks
I've encountered Support Camille at least 5 times. She's quite effective, but how long can she sustain? I think I should make a video about Support Camille. :) ;)
Morgana counters her HARD
so riot still not figuring out that HOB is the problem, great work!
that's a very shallow way to view things. What if riot did figure out the problem but hasn't got any solution? What's your solution to this "perceived" point of problem that you suggested?
You can't just give a random "fact" and act know-it-all, then proceed to say nothing else like it's proven lmao.
@@Briezar dude, when marksman-support-role is being popular, the HOB is the problem. The burst from HOB and the range advantages make the situation just unbalanced. Take a look on ashe sup role, from comet to HOB, 110%AS buff. And so on caitlyn, kalista, varus SUP-ROLE by taking HOB. Making the 2v2 in botlane just a marksman - marksman, and you have longer range then you have the ability of controling the bot wave and bot-river. The burst power from HOB is benefiting every ad-damage dealer which makes this SUPPORT role so FUNXDDD
@@Briezar more over, i am playing games of GM and C1, and being a main of enhance-champions. You won't understand wtf is going on when u playing games against HOB abuser
3:40 you got the combo wrong
it's actually e -> flash -> e, not e -> e ->f, first combo is much faster
Its so boring seeing Utility Tanks and Casters as supports, since we only have like Pyke being the pure aggressive support there and this is a nice change of phase for the monotonic farming simulator that is bot lane.
League of Legends 2020
Top Lane - Camille
Support - Karma
League of Legends 2024
Top Lane - Karma
Support - Camille
Dobby why you covering nasty cheese like Vayne top and Camille support show us something that does not inspire dread please
I feel like this is just a symptom of support being op?
It's a symptom of top lane Camille being bad.
Man, before opening the video i was guessing if as a demonstration clip you showed camile supp oneshotting an ADC completely solo and here we are. Thank god supp is gonna get nerfed next patch that's just disgusting
Yep "abomination" is the right word alright.
support gets almost the same amount of gold as a laner, and if they roam and get kills they get the same. that's what allows you to just pick a carry in the """support""" role, support gold gen needs to be nerfed by a ton
Its only possible since champ diff
how to say you're auto filled without saying auto-filled
too many trolls on my team thinking they can play this only to get denied by milio and taric
???????? 10:20?? This wall?? How ?? Wtf lol
3:25 ok this is disguishting
Maybe, I just think maybe, that making Bloodsong an item wasn't a smart move from Riot part...
Who am I joking ? It's NUT !
support items are so broken man any champ can go support and still make enough money to buy their items lol
Yeah but the issue is you need to be good at camille
5:37 Jinx 💀
Watch lol support slowly becoming like Dota support: Just play anything that doesn't require much gold to carry or are to weak to lane solo
Pref viego supp, have more potencial to carry and can kill enemy feed and use for killing enemy team xd
Of course she uses sundeder sky.
Camille sup TF top Vayne top Karma mid tank Azir mid, like WTF ARE YOU DOING RIOT
what? Ain't the players the ones who keep asking for diversity in role and builds?
@@Briezar vayne top is just pain if you get counterpicked
only works if its on enemy team
This is what happens when they guted Camile so much she is irrelevant now.
This video is lika a month late