thanks! Yes I've got more tropical fruit's ordered and on the way. I'll try to go thru some of the unique and rare tropical fruits that are showing up in a future update. Hopefully they work!
no plans. I just put it in the corner where it would fit within the walls I had. 5 feet deep. 4 wide x 12 long. Water features are a nice additional to a Greenhouse.
Our initial plan is to add Mason and Leafcutter bees. We will have a Bee House inside the Greenhouse and another one outside. We also have vents on both sides to encourage bees, bugs, etc.
Can you explain more about the design of the drainage? I can see the creek that goes out of the greenhouse, but not sure what happens to it in the end.
We have a high water table along the East end of the Greenhouse so I channeled some rock from the East end to my pipe trench, and eventually to a Pond to the West. The Trenches pick up some ground water and deliver it to the Pond West of the Greenhouse, which then percolates back into the ground.
water drainage you built, how does it actually work? it runs out to the pipes outside and does the place where the pipes go outside underground have cavity where the drainage water is to be flown out? is it gonna effect the efficiency of the 10 degrees of air stored underground
The water drains by travelling thru the gravel/rock channel to the trench where the pipes are located. From there, we have trenched downhill into a pond. Works great, but was a lot of work.
Awesome build on the Citrus in the Snow greenhouse! I have bought their plans too. Keep up the great work and don't let down! The GAHT system might not be working so well if the pipes are under water. Can't move air through water. That might be reason for shade cloth addition? Extending the suction of the hot air intake, to the roof (highest temp area), might also help with temperature. Ceres Greenhouse Solutions does this with their GAHT system. Geothermal loop field works great in water, and a lot more $. I go paragliding at Point of the Mountain and would really enjoy visiting your project! No better time than now to get into farming! We just seeded 1,024 pepper plants today. Cheers!
Yes, some of our pipes likely have water in them. We have plans to drain the water out of the channel where the pipes are to see if that helps. For a new Greenhouse, where the trees and plants aren't fully grown, it can get really hot. Even with the geothermal. The Shade cloth really helps us with the temperature. I hope over time we won't need it. Heat seems to be a bigger challenge than cold. Good idea on the suction of the hot air intake. We did put a vent at the top of the Greenhouse to push out the hot air. You are more than welcome to come check out the Greenhouse (when they open back up the World). Thanks for your feedback.
@@trailbreakfarms Running HDPE pipe in the ground would help with the water being in the pipes. This is solid pipe and butt fused, so thus no water in the pipe and then air would not be restricted by water like in drain tile pipe. The thermal coefficient is a lot higher in water than in air and if a high water table is available then more efficient. Why we get hypothermia faster in water than air. Do you plan on doing another one? I understand now about having more vegetation inside to help with thermal control. Thanks for that info!
@@nealneumiller9177 I used 12 - 4" HDPE pipes and put them 8 feet down. They are solid rather than perforated as we knew we'd hit water. We surrounded the pipes above and below with gravel. But I still think we have somehow got water in some of them. I found a hole in one of them when we put them in the ground and its possible they just get holes in them. Hopefully we can get them all working! Yes, I plan on a second Greenhouse using a 40' Container as my North wall. But not for a while. I'm learning on this one. Thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated!
Hello from Nebraska! We have a 120'ft green house from alliance going in soon! Love your videos, have some questions about all the tubes you have going on and blower's we're breaking ground in August and will solorize everything until spring! Let me know when you have a moment to chat thank you and keep up the good work 👍
I am going to use fish from a local pond. Browns and catfish are of great interest. Still researching. I'll start with goldfish while I'm cycling and determining how the temperature behaves.
Thanks for the update. That mobile weather station is a great new addition to the greenhouse. I have the same problem on my property as well. When they drilled holes in the basement floor to put in radon the holes filled with water. My whole house and a good portion of the lot is on a huge water table. It looks like the inside of the green house is really coming along with more plants. How exciting for you all. Once I get some acreage I plan on building at least one of these greenhouses. What do you use for backup power if the power goes out?
Great question. We have been considering many things: large propane tank, generator, wood burning stove (we have several) but have decided to add Solar. Solar will become primary source of power. Power Company will become secondary.
Hi there, thanks for the update. I am in the planning stages of getting a green house ordered from Greenhouse in the Snow. I am wondering what your current estimated cost is on your own build to this point. It looks like you are now "off and running" and I'd love to know what your rough overhead cost has been.
Great question! I'm still trying to figure that out. My original budget was $25K. I think that would be doable depending on what you do by yourself and what bells and whistles you add. I've done everything myself other than excavation (which required extra work to deal with water) and electrical. The added Aquaponics will probably cost 3-4K. Even though I have power, I am going to add solar which will run around $7K. I've added extra vents and fans which I highly recommend. Spray insulation was around $1800 - again highly recommend. I do really like the kit and recommend it. I have a bunch of recommendations if you do decide to move forward with a "Greenhouse in the Snow".
looks great! How did you do the retaining walls inside? Its hard to see details in the video but it looks like pressure treated wood for structure with metal siding against the dirt wall...is that correct?
4x4 pressure treated posts are about 30 - 36 inches into the ground. I placed them every 6 feet. Pressure treated 2x4's between the posts and metal siding behind them. 2x6 as a top railing. We have a hard clay soil which should hold up pretty good behind the walls. Time will tell!
@@trailbreakfarms thanks for the quick response! If you had to guess, how often are your blowers running? They look like 1/2 hp models judging from the size. I'm trying to calculate if I can go off-grid and I see you mentioned adding solar in another comment.
Very nice set-up congratulations! I'm looking into building one myself I was wondering your dimensions and would you have gone bigger or smaller. Thanks cheers
Dimensions are 72 x 17. Most people who build these wish they would have gone larger. I'm happy with this size but may want more space at some point. Good luck!
We were able to keep it above 50 during Winter. The warmest we've been so far this year is about 86 and we've kept it in the 80's or below. Goal is 50 - 89 on temperature range this year and 55 - 85 in the future. I'll keep you posted.
@@trailbreakfarms Thanks for the response. Sounds like it's working pretty well. I'm planning on making an underground greenhouse in the future. Pretty sure where I am I'll have to use a bit of evaporative cooling in combination with the earth tubing during the 115 degree spells.
Thats actually a great question. I went with solid pipes because we found we were hitting water in a few places when we did some test holes. I believe water has somehow found its way into some of them because they aren't pushing air. I'm going to blow them out to confirm.
Trail Break Farms was it polycarbonate or just film? I am thinking if modeling my greenhouse after the citrus in the snow Russ Finch design and urban farmer curtis stone design with the blower fan and poly film. I’m in colder conditions so I will probably go down 10 ft.
This is only about 6 feet on the east end that gets wet during winter, then receeds. The rest of the Greenhouse stays dry. We did our best to stay away from the water. To be honest, its kind of a nice feature.
Thanks for sharing. It's a hidden blessing to have water in the greenhouse. No need pipe in the well.
You are right. Always good to have a few sources of water just in case.
This is fascinating! Keep us posted, Thank you
your greenhouse is great. I hope to have one like it one of these years. enjoy watching your progress
Check out www.greenhouseinthesnow.com and you'll be able to order the kit. A lot of work to install, but well worth it!
this is fantastic. I am up in Wy. and have been dreaming of a year around green house. you sir are inspiring me!
Ditto
Thanks for the update, looking good. I am sure you will be planting a ton more stuff as
figure out where you want it all.
thanks! Yes I've got more tropical fruit's ordered and on the way. I'll try to go thru some of the unique and rare tropical fruits that are showing up in a future update. Hopefully they work!
Just put in my footers for my build today! Mine is 60' long, great to see other people posting their "Finch--Wallipini Earth Battery" greenhouses!
Keep us posted. We love seeing what other are doing.
@@trailbreakfarms Will do. I've been putting small videos on Instagram, I need to transfer them to TH-cam.
Hey based bear...how do i find you on Instagram to check your progress?
Awesome! Thanks for the update. It's very interesting to follow along.
Thanks!
I love the greenhouse. Very cool.
Thank you for this post. I’m so inspired!!
What a beautiful place!
Please keep the updates coming.
Mate? Did you go to Argentina & get hooked on mate?
appreciate the update.
Do you happen to have plans for the fish pond? I'd love to add a water feature to our greenhouse.
no plans. I just put it in the corner where it would fit within the walls I had. 5 feet deep. 4 wide x 12 long. Water features are a nice additional to a Greenhouse.
Thanks for the update. What are your plans for pollenating trees and plants?
Our initial plan is to add Mason and Leafcutter bees. We will have a Bee House inside the Greenhouse and another one outside. We also have vents on both sides to encourage bees, bugs, etc.
Can you explain more about the design of the drainage? I can see the creek that goes out of the greenhouse, but not sure what happens to it in the end.
We have a high water table along the East end of the Greenhouse so I channeled some rock from the East end to my pipe trench, and eventually to a Pond to the West. The Trenches pick up some ground water and deliver it to the Pond West of the Greenhouse, which then percolates back into the ground.
water drainage you built, how does it actually work? it runs out to the pipes outside and does the place where the pipes go outside underground have cavity where the drainage water is to be flown out? is it gonna effect the efficiency of the 10 degrees of air stored underground
The water drains by travelling thru the gravel/rock channel to the trench where the pipes are located. From there, we have trenched downhill into a pond. Works great, but was a lot of work.
Awesome build on the Citrus in the Snow greenhouse! I have bought their plans too. Keep up the great work and don't let down!
The GAHT system might not be working so well if the pipes are under water. Can't move air through water. That might be reason for shade cloth addition? Extending the suction of the hot air intake, to the roof (highest temp area), might also help with temperature. Ceres Greenhouse Solutions does this with their GAHT system.
Geothermal loop field works great in water, and a lot more $.
I go paragliding at Point of the Mountain and would really enjoy visiting your project!
No better time than now to get into farming! We just seeded 1,024 pepper plants today. Cheers!
Yes, some of our pipes likely have water in them. We have plans to drain the water out of the channel where the pipes are to see if that helps. For a new Greenhouse, where the trees and plants aren't fully grown, it can get really hot. Even with the geothermal. The Shade cloth really helps us with the temperature. I hope over time we won't need it. Heat seems to be a bigger challenge than cold. Good idea on the suction of the hot air intake. We did put a vent at the top of the Greenhouse to push out the hot air. You are more than welcome to come check out the Greenhouse (when they open back up the World). Thanks for your feedback.
@@trailbreakfarms Running HDPE pipe in the ground would help with the water being in the pipes. This is solid pipe and butt fused, so thus no water in the pipe and then air would not be restricted by water like in drain tile pipe. The thermal coefficient is a lot higher in water than in air and if a high water table is available then more efficient. Why we get hypothermia faster in water than air.
Do you plan on doing another one? I understand now about having more vegetation inside to help with thermal control. Thanks for that info!
@@nealneumiller9177 I used 12 - 4" HDPE pipes and put them 8 feet down. They are solid rather than perforated as we knew we'd hit water. We surrounded the pipes above and below with gravel. But I still think we have somehow got water in some of them. I found a hole in one of them when we put them in the ground and its possible they just get holes in them. Hopefully we can get them all working!
Yes, I plan on a second Greenhouse using a 40' Container as my North wall. But not for a while. I'm learning on this one. Thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated!
Hello from Nebraska! We have a 120'ft green house from alliance going in soon! Love your videos, have some questions about all the tubes you have going on and blower's we're breaking ground in August and will solorize everything until spring! Let me know when you have a moment to chat thank you and keep up the good work 👍
send me an email steve@amsource.com. Happy to answer any questions and help out however I can.
Great video. I'm looking forward to seeing the aquaponics setup. What fish are you planning?
I am going to use fish from a local pond. Browns and catfish are of great interest. Still researching. I'll start with goldfish while I'm cycling and determining how the temperature behaves.
What is the size of your greenhouse? We are looking into it.
What are the PVC pipes coming up next to the water hydrant for?
One water line for the main floor, one for the South growbed and one for the North.
Thanks for the update. That mobile weather station is a great new addition to the greenhouse. I have the same problem on my property as well. When they drilled holes in the basement floor to put in radon the holes filled with water. My whole house and a good portion of the lot is on a huge water table. It looks like the inside of the green house is really coming along with more plants. How exciting for you all. Once I get some acreage I plan on building at least one of these greenhouses. What do you use for backup power if the power goes out?
Great question. We have been considering many things: large propane tank, generator, wood burning stove (we have several) but have decided to add Solar. Solar will become primary source of power. Power Company will become secondary.
Hi there, thanks for the update. I am in the planning stages of getting a green house ordered from Greenhouse in the Snow. I am wondering what your current estimated cost is on your own build to this point. It looks like you are now "off and running" and I'd love to know what your rough overhead cost has been.
Great question! I'm still trying to figure that out. My original budget was $25K. I think that would be doable depending on what you do by yourself and what bells and whistles you add. I've done everything myself other than excavation (which required extra work to deal with water) and electrical. The added Aquaponics will probably cost 3-4K. Even though I have power, I am going to add solar which will run around $7K. I've added extra vents and fans which I highly recommend. Spray insulation was around $1800 - again highly recommend. I do really like the kit and recommend it. I have a bunch of recommendations if you do decide to move forward with a "Greenhouse in the Snow".
@@trailbreakfarms thanks for the info, I would love to get in touch with you via email. I am located in Western Wyoming
@@cookinginthedark6768 you bet. steve@amsource(Dot)com
@@trailbreakfarms I hope you don't mind if I shoot you an email as well?
@@jeoinaforest anytime
1. What was the total cost (to date)?
2. You can grow bananas?
I'm into this Project $35K but there are some things I haven't shown yet on the outside. We are growing Bananas. We'll see how they come along.
looks great! How did you do the retaining walls inside? Its hard to see details in the video but it looks like pressure treated wood for structure with metal siding against the dirt wall...is that correct?
4x4 pressure treated posts are about 30 - 36 inches into the ground. I placed them every 6 feet. Pressure treated 2x4's between the posts and metal siding behind them. 2x6 as a top railing. We have a hard clay soil which should hold up pretty good behind the walls. Time will tell!
@@trailbreakfarms thanks for the quick response! If you had to guess, how often are your blowers running? They look like 1/2 hp models judging from the size. I'm trying to calculate if I can go off-grid and I see you mentioned adding solar in another comment.
How long do you think this will pay for itself, or is just for enjoyment?
Its for better health, enjoyment and education. But I do hope to produce enough to participate in the local Farmers Market.
Very nice set-up congratulations! I'm looking into building one myself I was wondering your dimensions and would you have gone bigger or smaller. Thanks cheers
Dimensions are 72 x 17. Most people who build these wish they would have gone larger. I'm happy with this size but may want more space at some point. Good luck!
All you need is a bee house
I have 3. One inside and two outside.
Would be really curious to get temperature data from you.
We were able to keep it above 50 during Winter. The warmest we've been so far this year is about 86 and we've kept it in the 80's or below. Goal is 50 - 89 on temperature range this year and 55 - 85 in the future. I'll keep you posted.
@@trailbreakfarms Thanks for the response. Sounds like it's working pretty well. I'm planning on making an underground greenhouse in the future. Pretty sure where I am I'll have to use a bit of evaporative cooling in combination with the earth tubing during the 115 degree spells.
@@dustman96 I believe this is best. I am going to add a "water wall" on the west side next spring so that the air I introduce is cooler and damp.
👍✔
do you have a layout plan for your design ?
Nothing on paper. Its a 17x72 kit from Greenhouse in the Snow.
How do you dig a 8 feet deep trench?
I hired a neighbor to trench for me. He used a Backhoe.
Will that water drain into your geo pipes?
Thats actually a great question. I went with solid pipes because we found we were hitting water in a few places when we did some test holes. I believe water has somehow found its way into some of them because they aren't pushing air. I'm going to blow them out to confirm.
Do you use double wall poly?
yes we did.
Trail Break Farms was it polycarbonate or just film? I am thinking if modeling my greenhouse after the citrus in the snow Russ Finch design and urban farmer curtis stone design with the blower fan and poly film. I’m in colder conditions so I will probably go down 10 ft.
@@gabeolson-jensen8676 twin wall polycarbonate sheets.
How deep are your pipes?
If memory serves me correct, I think they are 24 - 30" deep. And we put concrete in the holes.
You put the greenhouse in the wrong place. The plants won't like wet feet like that.
This is only about 6 feet on the east end that gets wet during winter, then receeds. The rest of the Greenhouse stays dry. We did our best to stay away from the water. To be honest, its kind of a nice feature.