I’m sure they can, but you can fake it really easily by following the metronome and just ignoring what Mike’s doing. And to be fair, that’s kind of the point of this section, the band provides the backing and the drums solo
Lmao. You surely don't know what you're talking about. Petrcci, Jorden, Myung technical abilities just leave above Magini. Portnoy could match them with his sheer creativity, assets and groovy colours with insane technical abilities. Only mastered in technical can't help Magini in dream theater
I can understand someone think Mangini's playing is crap . They just can not understand what he was playing. Every drummer is playing rudiments, Portnoy's playing is much simpler. If you haven't achieve the level that Mangini's playing, maybe you can't understand his groove. I compared this part with what Portnoy played and Mangini played at Boston Opera. Playing at London is a big step forward and new taste. In Boston Opera, Mangini is trying to get close with Portnoy's feel but this time he didn't. Then, if you listen back to what Portnoy played before, I feel very boring. Portnoy's playing is very musical but sometimes he doesn't have enough good idea. Mangini's play is too variable. It's very difficult to guess what he will do. DT choose Mangini is very correct, they want more possibilities to move forward.
I think you have it backwards, mate. Mangini is a great technical drummer. But the problem is, he’s not performing a clinic, he’s playing a piece of music. I don’t care how advanced his skill level is, or what types of polyrhythms he’s playing over the 4/4 outro. It doesn’t sound good. That’s the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
Thus both JP and Jorden have level above technical abilities than Magini. They were just playing the song part. Magini there couldn't match but playing random polyrhythms lol
@@thelizardprince8709 lmao no really. It was drummer job to keep up with the rythm. MM was pretty much baseless did got any clue what he supposed to do
@@theeuropeanlegacy5075 I’ve personally asked and spoken with Mike about this solo, if you think he doesn’t know what he was doing you are completely 100% wrong
its difficult yes but does it sound good? when you listen to the song do you count the meters instead of appreciating the music? just saying if you are comparing this outro to MP which one sounds better
@@qriousmind @Wednesday @Marshal Tito chill, i just hate portnoy fanboy. Lol. I mean, it is what it is. Mangini is the man on the drum now. Just enjoy it, appreciate what he is trying to do. If u cannt, just leave it. At least its Better than ulrich right. 🤔 Anyway, good or not will depends on the listener. For you, maybe not, for others maybe good. For me, its good. But dont get it wrong, i admit it, MP sounds better. *pardon my english
I love Mangini and his technique. His polyrhythmic mastery leaves me speechless... That being said, that solo ending sounds bad to me. Musicality must not be neglected. Portnoy (being half as technical as Mangini) makes it EPIC
The ammount of people just shitting on Mike is absurd... It doesnt ruin the song! If this ruins the song for you why the fuck you listen to prog at all? This is distracting tops. This section of song is made for drum solos, not everything is supposed to be in time. I really dig this, not everything should be flowing or in time, because the arrangement of the song allows it. Stop worshipping Portnoy and spitting on Mangini, enjoy their music and remember, Portnoy is not in DT anymore and won't come back, negativity just creates this toxic enviroment.
Telling people to stop being negative while being really negative about it. Yeah okay, virtue signal some more because you can’t handle criticism of someone who isn’t even you.
@@CorbieBass You are wrong on all accounts. Mangini is seriously one of the best drummers in the world. Portnoy is also great, but fuck off with them not having the same style, of fucking course they don't, they're not the same person. Grow the fuck up and just accept Portnoy is not coming back.
We’ve all heard John Bonham from Led Zeppelin do this exact thing in ‘Black Dog’... Dream Theater has just taken the idea to another level (as they always do)
Every part of this drum solo, except for the Metallica reference, sound like normal Mangini performance. Metallica reference is just a meme. So why were people pissed off?
Mangini started to bend Fabric of space-time at @0:28 lol. First time I heard this I thought he was going too fast so he brakes for the tempo but after Few listens I thinks some how it’s still on track, only until I see this analysis now i know MM is insane lol playing on 5/4 like walking casually after sprinting
This is the primary reason why Mangini isn’t as good for DT as Portnoy was. On a technical level, MM is just on a another level. He can do these insanely complicated polyrhythms and fast chops. Just one problem, as much as he’s trying to innovate at every turn, his drumming loses the touch with the music and ends up not fitting or being distracting quite often. MP is very satisfying to listen to in addition to being very technical from time to time, MM is extremely technical but only being satisfying to listen to here and there. MP created drum tracks that sounded really, REALLY damn cool, which you could also be able to play, with a handful of exceptions. Which is a major reason I got even more interested in getting better at drums. Not to complain about MM all the time, D/T is a massive improvement from the 3 previous albums, and the upcoming one should be even better.
@@Zzzlol94 yes exactly. In my opinion, MM is the better 'drummer' but MP is the better 'musician'. Also, MP wrote lyrics and melodies which made DT more versatile.
If they can’t keep track of where they are in the song with Mangini... imagine the polyrhythmic nightmare Virgil Donatti would have created for the band... 😂
Both are insane but I can feel that Mangini is a bit sharper and more powerful in each beats. Plus He’s kinda nuts when talking technically, like genius nuts hahah
It was like Magini was confusing them with his baseless playing lol. JP and Jorden are two best technical players with their instruments. Magini just can't match
@@wongsakornwattanavekin7328 Donati can polyrhythms Magini can't even sum of during playing. On the other both are still child to Thomas Lang when it's about technical abilities.. lol
@@theeuropeanlegacy5075 he said in an interview that the outro of Finally Free was done in fun, almost like a game of find the 'one' played between bandmates... You'll notice that the 'finally free' outro became more and more complicated each time they played it. Probly coz his bandmates were successful in finding the 'one'...
I for one much prefer Mangini's outro to Portnoy's. Mangini is able to completely change the feel of the song just by changing the beat. It's blindingly obvious that Mangini knows everything there is to know about drums.
This vid is full of Mangini haters and Portnoy worshippers. They have different styles, but saying his drumming is shit just isnt true. DT will never be the same and i understand that so thays why im not toxic and tossing negativity into every DT related video!
You couldn’t have said it any better. He has vast knowledge. Just no wisdom in how to apply that knowledge. It’s a shame he converted one of the greatest outros of DT’s into a drum clinic
Diversity in Art: Remind the audience that music is a form of art, and art comes in various forms and styles. Some music may employ more complex techniques, which can be perplexing or challenging to understand, but it's also a form of musical expression. Integration of Skill and Emotion: Explain that intricate playing techniques may be employed to better convey the emotions or atmospheres that musicians wish to evoke. Sometimes, technical challenges can enrich the music, adding depth and complexity. Appreciation from Different Perspectives: Encourage listeners to appreciate music from various angles. Sometimes, understanding the stories, emotions, or technical aspects behind the music can enhance understanding and appreciation. Open-mindedness: Remind the audience to maintain an open mind and give music more time and space. Understanding and appreciating a piece of music may require repeated listening and an open attitude. Respect for the Efforts of Musicians: Lastly, emphasize the importance of respecting the efforts and creativity of musicians. While some music may not align with certain people's tastes or understandings, it's essential to respect the artist's creation and expression.
@@schoolmono Watch it again.. at 2:05 it *sounds* like straight eighths on the hi-hat, bass on 1 & 3, snare on 2 & 4, instead of the triplet thing w/ ties that you've written. Perhaps what's written is correct there, but the music program you have playing it isn't doing so properly. Then at 2:07 the audio _sounds_ like straight eighths again on the hats, 16th-note sextuplets on the bass, again despite what you've got written. There have been issues in the past on playback with programs like Finale and Sibelius regarding syncopated polyrhythms.
You should compare Mike Mangini's on this live version to Mike Portnoy's live version of this song. Portnoy just goes beast mode on the outro. You can find it on Live Scenes From a Memory. Check it out! 😀😎👍
Be good to get a comparison but tbh Portnoy does what he always does - treats sections of songs like a fill with his rlkkrlrlrlkk pattern played around the kit in different combinations
It's incredibly impressive and his technic is awesome. But I think most people dislike this solo because the original Portnoy's solo was in our memory and I think it was more accurate to the song. This drum solo was not supposed to be a technical demonstration but a sensitive ending to a great story and it's not the time for those kind of polyrythm insanity. I love Mangini and I'm glad he replaced Portnoy but that particular moment deserved to be more respected. When Mangini first came in DT, he said the fans were expecting to hear some drum parts exactly like Portnoy played them and he wasn't free to do whatever he wants. He should have stick to that for this ending AMHA.
that part of the song is where they do drum SOLO.. stop that "sensitive ending to a great story" bullshit.. he can play whatever he wants there and thats fine.. too bad mp fanboys cant go past RLKK fills..
@@meshuggahman3225 you didn't read the part where I said I'm glad Mangini replaced Portnoy ? The ending of Finally Free is a drum solo but it doesn't mean you can do anything. Mike Mangini's drum solo sound bad and doesn't go along with the mood of the song.
Jack, I totally agree. Peteucci looked visibly shocked. And if Ruddess and Peteucci can’t even grasp a polyrhythm, then perhaps you’ve gone too far as a drummer and shouldn’t be playing something like that. He’s not performing a clinic, he’s playing a piece of music. I don’t care how advanced your skill level is. That’s the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
A perfect drummer is defined not only by knowledge of theory and the ability to control his limbs, but above all by the ability to apply all this in the context of music. This example shows Mangini's inability to feel the musical context. In fact, he is completely disconnected from what the rest of the band is playing, for the sake of showing off. This is exactly why he is a much worse drummer than Mike Portnoy.
I remember being jumping and having fun in the concert til he start to play this intricate sh*t and kill the mood... amazing he can play this polyrhythm, but come on, he is in the entertaining bussines not in a freaking calculous class!
Hah mksdnya mp keliatan cupu tuh gmn? Oke MM disitu bnyak mainin polyrytm tapi ngapain mainin polyrytm kalo ga sinkrom ama musik ga bikin enak musik percuma..skill tanpa soul..
@@radityafauzanilmi4219 iya bener ngerusak lagu..walau isi nya teknik semua toh ga masuk ama lagu .. Drummer hebat itu yg bisa bkin enak lagu Ngapain dia blg mp cupu .. kacau emg
Depende. Vou até dar uma conferida na versão original, pq eu desconfio q o Mangini não fez muita coisa diferente do original q já tem bastante polirritmia. Só por esse ponto d vista q dá pra falar "na fez nada de mais", pq d toda forma é complexo e difícil dmais.
@@YeahNego não tem muita polirritimia nem na original e nem nessa, ele só fica brincando c/ o tempo. Nos primeiros anos que comecei a tocar eu achava virada c/ pedal duplo muito difícil ( e eu estou falando das simples), nessa época eu n sabia nem usar pivot, talvez por isso vcs estão achando tão difícil... Na vdd eu que estou errado, estou sendo insensível! Pra quem tá começando deve ser bem difícil mesmo.
@@lucascantanhede4730 ontem eu ouvi a versão original, tem pouca coisa mesmo .. acho q o Portina brinca mais na versão ao vivo; vou ter q ouvir tb. A questão é q a música, em si, é difícil .. fazer essa brincadeira toda aí ao vivo é brabo.
@@meshuggahman3225 You have no idea. You should know better, if you really like Meshuggah, which is my favourite band. Been playing drums for more than 25 years, and Portnoy is light years away from Mangini, and will slways be. Cheers.
@@jaumepp1975 lol.. been playing drums for more than 25 years and you say mp is light years away from MM? light years behind?? there are more about drumming than fanboyism.. even i say MM is better than Haake and im a HUGE fan of Tomas.. open your eyes, ears and mind.. study MM materials.. he makes DOE looks like acdc song..
Mangini goes back in time with his time drum machine thinking it is a space research facility not a stage in front of thousands people. Just drum it not show you can do it.
@@meshuggahman3225 Personally I do not like the stiffness on his playing. Seems like he is more worried about showing that he is good than actually playing. Play. Thats the word. Got nothing on him though, he is incredibly technical and has an insane theorical knowledge, but for me it lacks the fun part of it. Groove, feel, whatever you want to call it.
@@zadu666 ok, youre the "just grooooove man" type of guy right?.. MM is fun to watch, energetic, charismatic, full of soul, feels etc... all of that BS mps fanboi saying he hasnt.. MM plays for the band, not for his ego, that the other guy.. LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME.. i spit, i stand up, i sing, i twirl drum stick, i hit my head with my hand.. all gimmick and works well for the kids.
@@meshuggahman3225 what an answer! maybe you don't know what out of place means, skill isn't everything. At my age (40) I don't want to learn bad taste, proud enough of having criteria, thank you.
I can pretty much hit random shit and I’ll guarantee you can write a sheet from that. Mangini fanboys trying so hard to defend him with these “technical” bullshit while he’s always desperate trying to replicate Portnoy’s hi-hat/splash pattern and hiding behind “I’m not Portnoy” excuses.
it's prog. Not all songs are like this. For example Dance of eternity is math. But if Portnoy plays the same thing Manigni played you would have said *feel*
@@shawndsilva9482 its just this solo of mangini that i dont like, just my opinion, that polyrhythm in this song feels awful, even the audience seems turned off
@@benjamindover8221 single stroke roll records is for amateurs, music is not about playing too fast. Music is about words, Mangini is not creating words, he is playing just rudiments.
@@CorbieBass wtf do you think amateur means? You can't beat a world record as an amateur unless you're some sort of genius. Mike Mangini creates words too, maybe you just can't follow along with them. He's very fun to listen to if you like technical music.
Mike doesn't learn theory.... theory learns Mike
It doesn't matter what he plays, the rest of the band is just so locked in
that's the point!
I’m sure they can, but you can fake it really easily by following the metronome and just ignoring what Mike’s doing.
And to be fair, that’s kind of the point of this section, the band provides the backing and the drums solo
@@mihneazoican2479 I agree with you but that’s not really faking tho, just really disciplined hahaha
@@wongsakornwattanavekin7328 yeah, “faking” as in not actually playing live to each other
Lmao. You surely don't know what you're talking about. Petrcci, Jorden, Myung technical abilities just leave above Magini.
Portnoy could match them with his sheer creativity, assets and groovy colours with insane technical abilities.
Only mastered in technical can't help Magini in dream theater
It gives the listener the illusion that he’s slowing down even though he’s technically on tempo
Yes, I felt the same thing. He's great
At long last! I’m sick of reading comments from haters who don’t understand what he was doing.
0:24 Is Mangini playing One?
I can understand someone think Mangini's playing is crap . They just can not understand what he was playing. Every drummer is playing rudiments, Portnoy's playing is much simpler. If you haven't achieve the level that Mangini's playing, maybe you can't understand his groove. I compared this part with what Portnoy played and Mangini played at Boston Opera. Playing at London is a big step forward and new taste. In Boston Opera, Mangini is trying to get close with Portnoy's feel but this time he didn't. Then, if you listen back to what Portnoy played before, I feel very boring. Portnoy's playing is very musical but sometimes he doesn't have enough good idea. Mangini's play is too variable. It's very difficult to guess what he will do. DT choose Mangini is very correct, they want more possibilities to move forward.
I think you have it backwards, mate. Mangini is a great technical drummer. But the problem is, he’s not performing a clinic, he’s playing a piece of music. I don’t care how advanced his skill level is, or what types of polyrhythms he’s playing over the 4/4 outro. It doesn’t sound good. That’s the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
@@seanhartel5362 Mate, it's prog metal for a goddamn reason.
@@marshaltito7369Before progressive metal is music.
@@Cruz9600 It can go both ways.
That’s why he only did it for only 6 bars tho.
Lars after .2 seconds of watching: I'm focking out of here.
Lol
I FUCKING LEFT THE FUCKING BAND
Mangini is the perfect drummer to DT!!! Just fantastic!!!
He's not perfectly matched
His playing is so prog even Jordan and JP have a hard time figuring it out and need to help eachother out.
Thus both JP and Jorden have level above technical abilities than Magini. They were just playing the song part. Magini there couldn't match but playing random polyrhythms lol
@@theeuropeanlegacy5075 you realize the “song part” is a backing for a drum solo right?
@@thelizardprince8709 lmao no really. It was drummer job to keep up with the rythm. MM was pretty much baseless did got any clue what he supposed to do
@@theeuropeanlegacy5075 I’ve personally asked and spoken with Mike about this solo, if you think he doesn’t know what he was doing you are completely 100% wrong
@@thelizardprince8709 even if he knew then he completely messed up here lol
Insane poly . Just pure genius, we are trying that 4 in groups of 3, but hell nah, its not even easier with a click.
Love what he does here. I have wanted DT to do more of this type of rhythmic interplay for years. Thanks for posting!
Mike Mangini; setting the bar so high that you can't reach it.
How does he do that? That's insane!
I need an extended version of that outro
Bond - Explosive
I thought James was going to sing "Darkness, imprisoning me! All that I see! Absolute horror!" When MM decided to change the beat @00:24
Wich song?
@@lucasalvarenga2813 Metallica's "One" 🤣 at 0:24
I though I was the only one 😃
you mixed him with different James!
@@jkorkea lol. Ikr!!!
Ha, finally!! Someone who understand & appreciate it. Not just a portnoy fanboy! Lol.
@Wednesday The sheer fucking difficulty.
its difficult yes but does it sound good? when you listen to the song do you count the meters instead of appreciating the music? just saying if you are comparing this outro to MP which one sounds better
Bacot
@@qriousmind @Wednesday @Marshal Tito chill, i just hate portnoy fanboy. Lol. I mean, it is what it is. Mangini is the man on the drum now. Just enjoy it, appreciate what he is trying to do. If u cannt, just leave it. At least its Better than ulrich right. 🤔
Anyway, good or not will depends on the listener. For you, maybe not, for others maybe good. For me, its good. But dont get it wrong, i admit it, MP sounds better.
*pardon my english
@@agussatrya69 eh orang indo, kebiasaan cuma bisa ngomong kotor. Bikin malu aja
Fascinating
I was pretty interested and it suddenly ended. I need more now
0:23 is like he desided to play another song! its sounds like freaking 'scarified" for gods sake....!
he thought he was playing One for a sec
I love Mangini and his technique. His polyrhythmic mastery leaves me speechless... That being said, that solo ending sounds bad to me. Musicality must not be neglected. Portnoy (being half as technical as Mangini) makes it EPIC
Mind blowing
They are insane \m/
That's amazing⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I don't understand the crap dream theater fans throw at mangini they literally hit the jackpot getting him as a replacement for portnoy.
Excellent analysis
The ammount of people just shitting on Mike is absurd... It doesnt ruin the song! If this ruins the song for you why the fuck you listen to prog at all? This is distracting tops. This section of song is made for drum solos, not everything is supposed to be in time. I really dig this, not everything should be flowing or in time, because the arrangement of the song allows it. Stop worshipping Portnoy and spitting on Mangini, enjoy their music and remember, Portnoy is not in DT anymore and won't come back, negativity just creates this toxic enviroment.
Telling people to stop being negative while being really negative about it. Yeah okay, virtue signal some more because you can’t handle criticism of someone who isn’t even you.
Mike mangini the best
Not close to the good to, Mangini has not a style and good sound like Portnoy, DT picked wrong drummer dude. Please dont listen Mangini for your ears.
@@CorbieBass You are wrong on all accounts. Mangini is seriously one of the best drummers in the world. Portnoy is also great, but fuck off with them not having the same style, of fucking course they don't, they're not the same person. Grow the fuck up and just accept Portnoy is not coming back.
We’ve all heard John Bonham from Led Zeppelin do this exact thing in ‘Black Dog’... Dream Theater has just taken the idea to another level (as they always do)
Jazz drummers do it all the time I think that's where MM learned this from
Can u point me to a led zep vid? Id love to watch it
Every part of this drum solo, except for the Metallica reference, sound like normal Mangini performance. Metallica reference is just a meme. So why were people pissed off?
without feeling no different a robot
Great video
Mangini started to bend Fabric of space-time at @0:28 lol. First time I heard this I thought he was going too fast so he brakes for the tempo but after Few listens I thinks some how it’s still on track, only until I see this analysis now i know MM is insane lol playing on 5/4 like walking casually after sprinting
Mangini is incredible. No doubt about that. For my taste though, what he's doing doesn't suit the music. It feels too disconnected
Yes slightly. Almost felt like he lost the song at one point..double flam then come back in
I really have to agree with you on this one
This is the primary reason why Mangini isn’t as good for DT as Portnoy was. On a technical level, MM is just on a another level. He can do these insanely complicated polyrhythms and fast chops. Just one problem, as much as he’s trying to innovate at every turn, his drumming loses the touch with the music and ends up not fitting or being distracting quite often. MP is very satisfying to listen to in addition to being very technical from time to time, MM is extremely technical but only being satisfying to listen to here and there.
MP created drum tracks that sounded really, REALLY damn cool, which you could also be able to play, with a handful of exceptions. Which is a major reason I got even more interested in getting better at drums.
Not to complain about MM all the time, D/T is a massive improvement from the 3 previous albums, and the upcoming one should be even better.
@@Zzzlol94 very nice explanation dude👍👍
@@Zzzlol94 yes exactly. In my opinion, MM is the better 'drummer' but MP is the better 'musician'. Also, MP wrote lyrics and melodies which made DT more versatile.
If they can’t keep track of where they are in the song with Mangini... imagine the polyrhythmic nightmare Virgil Donatti would have created for the band... 😂
I’d say they’re equally capable of creating mad polyrhythms.
Both are insane but I can feel that Mangini is a bit sharper and more powerful in each beats. Plus He’s kinda nuts when talking technically, like genius nuts hahah
It was like Magini was confusing them with his baseless playing lol. JP and Jorden are two best technical players with their instruments. Magini just can't match
@@wongsakornwattanavekin7328 Donati can polyrhythms Magini can't even sum of during playing.
On the other both are still child to Thomas Lang when it's about technical abilities.. lol
@@theeuropeanlegacy5075 he said in an interview that the outro of Finally Free was done in fun, almost like a game of find the 'one' played between bandmates... You'll notice that the 'finally free' outro became more and more complicated each time they played it. Probly coz his bandmates were successful in finding the 'one'...
The first section sounds like a Michael Giles beat
Great video!
awesome
Pdf download?
Do you personally like it OP? I would love to hear your thoughts
Human metronome🥰
Great job!!!!
Even Petrucci looks at Mangini like wtf are u doing bro??!! xD
what software do you use to have the music notation play with the music in real time ?
when?
name of the song that starts at 2:22 please?
It's in the description - "Explosive" by Bond.
@@ChristianSandviknes thanks, did not see that.
@@loicreste7183 Happy to help : )
I for one much prefer Mangini's outro to Portnoy's. Mangini is able to completely change the feel of the song just by changing the beat. It's blindingly obvious that Mangini knows everything there is to know about drums.
That's a negative thing for me. You shouldn't change the feel of the song when other members are in that mood.
This vid is full of Mangini haters and Portnoy worshippers. They have different styles, but saying his drumming is shit just isnt true. DT will never be the same and i understand that so thays why im not toxic and tossing negativity into every DT related video!
@@Koray.K how many time the mode shift? DT is a progressive. not a reggae.
You couldn’t have said it any better. He has vast knowledge. Just no wisdom in how to apply that knowledge. It’s a shame he converted one of the greatest outros of DT’s into a drum clinic
@@seanhartel5362 "No wisdom how to apply that knowledge" is wrong to say when talking about Mangini.
🤯
but does it sound good?
Diversity in Art: Remind the audience that music is a form of art, and art comes in various forms and styles. Some music may employ more complex techniques, which can be perplexing or challenging to understand, but it's also a form of musical expression.
Integration of Skill and Emotion: Explain that intricate playing techniques may be employed to better convey the emotions or atmospheres that musicians wish to evoke. Sometimes, technical challenges can enrich the music, adding depth and complexity.
Appreciation from Different Perspectives: Encourage listeners to appreciate music from various angles. Sometimes, understanding the stories, emotions, or technical aspects behind the music can enhance understanding and appreciation.
Open-mindedness: Remind the audience to maintain an open mind and give music more time and space. Understanding and appreciating a piece of music may require repeated listening and an open attitude.
Respect for the Efforts of Musicians: Lastly, emphasize the importance of respecting the efforts and creativity of musicians. While some music may not align with certain people's tastes or understandings, it's essential to respect the artist's creation and expression.
Mike sounds like he's just trolling the rest of the band here lol
Portnoy make music DT Hard and difficult , but mangini play musik DT very very different very very difficult
Agree
Yngwie: he doesn't play in tune.
true hell
2:05 - 2:10 you know your audio isn't playing what's written, right?
You are the first one who said something wrong, and you are wrong at the same time.
@@schoolmono Watch it again.. at 2:05 it *sounds* like straight eighths on the hi-hat, bass on 1 & 3, snare on 2 & 4, instead of the triplet thing w/ ties that you've written. Perhaps what's written is correct there, but the music program you have playing it isn't doing so properly. Then at 2:07 the audio _sounds_ like straight eighths again on the hats, 16th-note sextuplets on the bass, again despite what you've got written. There have been issues in the past on playback with programs like Finale and Sibelius regarding syncopated polyrhythms.
@@abysssss man, please listen carefully to the speed change.
You should compare Mike Mangini's on this live version to Mike Portnoy's live version of this song. Portnoy just goes beast mode on the outro. You can find it on Live Scenes From a Memory. Check it out! 😀😎👍
Nobody cares
I do
@@NerdworkerMX i do
@@leonardovaldez3664 i do
Be good to get a comparison but tbh Portnoy does what he always does - treats sections of songs like a fill with his rlkkrlrlrlkk pattern played around the kit in different combinations
It's incredibly impressive and his technic is awesome. But I think most people dislike this solo because the original Portnoy's solo was in our memory and I think it was more accurate to the song. This drum solo was not supposed to be a technical demonstration but a sensitive ending to a great story and it's not the time for those kind of polyrythm insanity.
I love Mangini and I'm glad he replaced Portnoy but that particular moment deserved to be more respected. When Mangini first came in DT, he said the fans were expecting to hear some drum parts exactly like Portnoy played them and he wasn't free to do whatever he wants. He should have stick to that for this ending AMHA.
My man!
that part of the song is where they do drum SOLO.. stop that "sensitive ending to a great story" bullshit.. he can play whatever he wants there and thats fine.. too bad mp fanboys cant go past RLKK fills..
@@meshuggahman3225 you didn't read the part where I said I'm glad Mangini replaced Portnoy ? The ending of Finally Free is a drum solo but it doesn't mean you can do anything. Mike Mangini's drum solo sound bad and doesn't go along with the mood of the song.
@@berlanddix648 you dont understand it, doesnt mean it sound band.. learn more kid.. and what the fuk is the mood of the song?.. typical fanboi..
Why'd he have to make it even harder? 😟😓 hahaha
Oh Finally i can sleep
lmao
Great drummer, technically impressive
I just think it sounds good though
Thats the time jp realize he make a mistake choosing mm 😂
lol.. he rejected the other guy comeback.. MM is DT..
I prefer Portnoy's style.
Fantastic!!!
Hope more videos💩💩
The fact that petrucci went to the keyboard player to keep the time means magini wasn't doing his job for me
Sure!
they rehearsed it.
Jack, I totally agree. Peteucci looked visibly shocked. And if Ruddess and Peteucci can’t even grasp a polyrhythm, then perhaps you’ve gone too far as a drummer and shouldn’t be playing something like that. He’s not performing a clinic, he’s playing a piece of music. I don’t care how advanced your skill level is. That’s the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
@@seanhartel5362 exactly that, he's a complete show off and he's all about himself and doesn't play for the music. Portnoy did though
Agreed, yeah, it’s complex to the Nth degree. Doesn’t mean it sounds good and clearly throws everyone else off.
A perfect drummer is defined not only by knowledge of theory and the ability to control his limbs, but above all by the ability to apply all this in the context of music. This example shows Mangini's inability to feel the musical context. In fact, he is completely disconnected from what the rest of the band is playing, for the sake of showing off. This is exactly why he is a much worse drummer than Mike Portnoy.
Incredibly boring and unmusical
What the hell is he doing?....its totaly of beat and just weird ...
I remember being jumping and having fun in the concert til he start to play this intricate sh*t and kill the mood... amazing he can play this polyrhythm, but come on, he is in the entertaining bussines not in a freaking calculous class!
The foundation of Dream Theater is MIKE PORTNOY.
no.. JP and JM
Like a robot, but sounds good??
better tan the other dude..
Mm, amazing technique but don’t sound good to me.
listen to the good sound then..
Yes, but he's not playing with the band.
Zzzzz
Susah ini,,,ga ngerti gw... MP kelihatan cupu apalagi gw...
Mp keliatan cupu matamu
Parah emang...teknik bgus tpi feelnya g ada mah g enak...
@@afri3192 ada feelnya sih,tapi ngerusak lagu.karena lagunya harusnya mellow tapi gara-gara drumnya gitu jadinya nggak mellow
Hah mksdnya mp keliatan cupu tuh gmn?
Oke MM disitu bnyak mainin polyrytm tapi ngapain mainin polyrytm kalo ga sinkrom ama musik ga bikin enak musik percuma..skill tanpa soul..
@@radityafauzanilmi4219 iya bener ngerusak lagu..walau isi nya teknik semua toh ga masuk ama lagu ..
Drummer hebat itu yg bisa bkin enak lagu
Ngapain dia blg mp cupu .. kacau emg
Bad mangini
Nossa mano, a galera é muito puxa saco, mangini n fez naaaadaa de mais aí. Chega a dar raiva
Depende. Vou até dar uma conferida na versão original, pq eu desconfio q o Mangini não fez muita coisa diferente do original q já tem bastante polirritmia. Só por esse ponto d vista q dá pra falar "na fez nada de mais", pq d toda forma é complexo e difícil dmais.
@@YeahNego não tem muita polirritimia nem na original e nem nessa, ele só fica brincando c/ o tempo. Nos primeiros anos que comecei a tocar eu achava virada c/ pedal duplo muito difícil ( e eu estou falando das simples), nessa época eu n sabia nem usar pivot, talvez por isso vcs estão achando tão difícil... Na vdd eu que estou errado, estou sendo insensível! Pra quem tá começando deve ser bem difícil mesmo.
@@YeahNego ele tocou bem diferente da original. E a versão do portina ainda ficou bem mais legal, mesmo sendo menos técnico.
@@lucascantanhede4730 ontem eu ouvi a versão original, tem pouca coisa mesmo .. acho q o Portina brinca mais na versão ao vivo; vou ter q ouvir tb. A questão é q a música, em si, é difícil .. fazer essa brincadeira toda aí ao vivo é brabo.
Poco orecchiabile e parecchio disturbante. Ancora una volta mister mangimi ci propone cose difficili ma inutili. Come sempre. Portnoy tutta la vita.
Cry.......
is a song with a mangini's clinic drum solo. Zero feeling
@Sp00n Pool its not about technic, its about of one most epic final moments of that monster album, but you don't get it. That simple
@Sp00n Pool maybe you're right. Have a nice day!
It was you that couldn't catch up the feel. MM has whole different level of musicality.
Миша Портной - ЛУЧШИЙ прогрессивный барабанщик!!!
Poor Mangini, he'll never play half as well these songs like Mike did. There's an ocean of difference.
this is 100x better than the other dude.. learn it.
@@meshuggahman3225 You have no idea. You should know better, if you really like Meshuggah, which is my favourite band. Been playing drums for more than 25 years, and Portnoy is light years away from Mangini, and will slways be. Cheers.
@@jaumepp1975 lol.. been playing drums for more than 25 years and you say mp is light years away from MM? light years behind?? there are more about drumming than fanboyism.. even i say MM is better than Haake and im a HUGE fan of Tomas.. open your eyes, ears and mind.. study MM materials.. he makes DOE looks like acdc song..
Mangini goes back in time with his time drum machine thinking it is a space research facility not a stage in front of thousands people. Just drum it not show you can do it.
what?..
@@meshuggahman3225 Basically what he said. Mangini is a show off.
@@zadu666 lol.. thats the part of the song where he has to show off.. what the problem?..
@@meshuggahman3225 Personally I do not like the stiffness on his playing. Seems like he is more worried about showing that he is good than actually playing. Play. Thats the word. Got nothing on him though, he is incredibly technical and has an insane theorical knowledge, but for me it lacks the fun part of it. Groove, feel, whatever you want to call it.
@@zadu666 ok, youre the "just grooooove man" type of guy right?.. MM is fun to watch, energetic, charismatic, full of soul, feels etc... all of that BS mps fanboi saying he hasnt.. MM plays for the band, not for his ego, that the other guy.. LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME.. i spit, i stand up, i sing, i twirl drum stick, i hit my head with my hand.. all gimmick and works well for the kids.
Coma rovinare un finale stupendo di una canzone...Portnoy forever!!
🤦🏻♂️
Whatever you want, but totally out of place.
whats out of place? your knowledge?.. learn more kid.. there are more of dumming instead of RLKK..
@@meshuggahman3225 what an answer! maybe you don't know what out of place means, skill isn't everything. At my age (40) I don't want to learn bad taste, proud enough of having criteria, thank you.
@@lastportalvideos never too late to learn more.. at any age.. keep growing, remember that..
@@meshuggahman3225 apply to yourself, arrogance is not wise
@@lastportalvideos i keep learning, nothing out of place.. you dont, thats why you dont understand..
I can pretty much hit random shit and I’ll guarantee you can write a sheet from that. Mangini fanboys trying so hard to defend him with these “technical” bullshit while he’s always desperate trying to replicate Portnoy’s hi-hat/splash pattern and hiding behind “I’m not Portnoy” excuses.
exactly
Except Mangini knows what he's doing and has practiced.
Obviously he's not Portnoy, Portnoy isn't Mangini either.
@@marshaltito7369 knowledge doesn’t equal wisdom. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
@@seanhartel5362 My guy, it's prog metal, they all make music that is complicated.
@@marshaltito7369 🤣
A massive failure compared to Portnoys live version.
Sure
Haaahhh.. Mangini 👎👎
Portnoy > Mangini
Over rated big time.
the other guy?
If you think Mangini is overrated you know nothing about music or drumming
Mangini is awesome but ...
... Portnoy was a beast
mp was a beast? nope.. overrated.
MP was like the noble Gladiator, MM is like Optimus Prime landing on earth at the same era
excellent breakdown, thanks, imo sounds awful, music aint supposed to be math for the sake of math
it's prog. Not all songs are like this. For example Dance of eternity is math. But if Portnoy plays the same thing Manigni played you would have said *feel*
@@shawndsilva9482 its just this solo of mangini that i dont like, just my opinion, that polyrhythm in this song feels awful, even the audience seems turned off
@@bitflux2 thats the point.. to turn you off.. even he tried to put JP off.. and thats the beauty of it.. average drummers dont get it.
@@meshuggahman3225 watch out, we got a badass over here
@@bitflux2 who?
Boooooooooooooring
Pffff
@@maximilianopilot5445 yeah.. pfff mangini 👎🏼
KKRLRL?
Un real cáncer mangini
Vas a llorar?
@@Bingusman ?
Tecnica 10, feeling 0. Portnoy come back!
lol.. keep dreaming kid.. MM is DT..
This notes are wrong and these things are basic drum rudiments. Other way Portnoy is better than Mangini. Mangini is average drummer.
Sure!
average drummer sets world record for single stroke roll and can play 3 layer polyrhythms
lol... dont understand? go listen to kick snare toms combo.. thats your level.
@@benjamindover8221 single stroke roll records is for amateurs, music is not about playing too fast. Music is about words, Mangini is not creating words, he is playing just rudiments.
@@CorbieBass wtf do you think amateur means? You can't beat a world record as an amateur unless you're some sort of genius. Mike Mangini creates words too, maybe you just can't follow along with them. He's very fun to listen to if you like technical music.