honestly i think it'd be really funny if lictors in the game had a very early (combat wise) execute prompt... but its just a trap from the sneaky lil bug and if you go for it you take some damage, that'd 1. funny 2. lore friendly as lictors are the smart sneaky bugs
@@JackDuripper If this was Commoragh theyd have made a big fancy arena and released a thousand slaves telling them to survive against the battle between the bug and psycho coffin.
To be entombed in a Dreadnought is an honor, to be entombed in a Helbrute is a punishment. Usually the way the T sons make theirs is by tricking other sorcerers into using a spell that will make them vulnerable to being turned into a Helbrute without realizing it.
No, a Helbrute is 1000x worse than a Dreadnought, because while Space Marines view the Dreadnought as an honor, Chaos marines view the Helbrute as a prison.
According to the lore of Helbrutes, especially the ones of Thousand Sons - they use the kidnapped or tricked members of other legions and war bands since most of 1k sons are made of sand. I mention this because the screaming of this helbrute in the very beginning sounds like “For GuillimAAAAAn!” This guy was an Ultramarine who was captured by Thousand Sons and put into a Helbrute, his chapter’s colors were taken away from him, his flesh mutilated, he was condemned to incredible pain, torture & becoming mad, in the end, being unleashed against his own brothers. The only good thing is that at the very least, his own brothers were able to grant him the Emperor’s Mercy. Rest in peace brother, knowing that the Emperor forgives you and that your tormentors have been slain!
My favourite thing about the Helbrute in this game is that it shows that boxnoughts aren't the slow, unwieldly robots some people view them as. They're described in the lore as agile despite their awkward proportions, and the game captures that perfectly with how quickly they can swing their melee weapons around and charge at you.
0:43 the way the Lictor jumps out of the way of the Helbrute's hammer and then starts circling as it charges the hammer, that feels like something out of The Predator
I know this is probably a lictor alpha, but I would still expect the hellbrute to pancake it with a few good swipes, the lictor got brought to it's last health bar first, thats when It really began dodging everything like crazy.
That would be interesting, for me I would love to know do the tanks realy make damage? Like the baneblade? Cause most of the time they just shoot into the background without any impact where we the players are, and of course the old question how many guardsman do you need to bring down which enemy
@@tm5123 earliest hellbrutes were the traitor dreads that became extremely warp mutated. Their current lore states them as being made from hellforges, unlike the usual ‘slap that barely alive corpse into a coffin and lock him up until slaughter time’ shenanigans with csm.
@@daliberista4344 First sentence in the 10th edition chaos space marine codex entry for Helbrute reads as follows "Helbrutes are walking engines of destruction and psychosis, their OCCUPANTS kept alive in a state of agony and insanity." I don't care about your special case helbrutes. The average helbrute is the one with sarcofagus with a maimed person, usually a chaos space marine. Whatever you're describing is not the codex entry. End of story.
Kinda freaky that the space marine portion of the helbrute is still intact. It feels like a reverse fish tongue parasite situation where instead of the parasite replacing the fish's tongue, a parasite grew around the astartes and used it as the new tongue.
Those dodges were slick, with it skirting around the hammer then rushing back in. Cloaking away from the slam a few times just before it hit. The Lictor AI, I swear, is really smart on higher difficulties. I once was fighting one in Operations, on Substantial, and missed a parry. Lost most of my health. My Bulwark wanders over and puts the banner down so we can dust the Lictor together and gain full health from the banner's rally. Only, for the next 20 seconds or so before the banner faded, the Lictor cloaked, hid, and waited. It outright stopped attacking while we had the banner as an advantage and only reappeared after. I don't know if it was just a very well timed pause in its attack that it was always going to do, or if it was caused by a special being used. But it was both cool and aggravating.
Tbh movements and mechanics were made to accommodate a game in reality I think its even match. Helbrutes are described as raving mad, chained on the ceiling of a ship until they are unleashed upon the enemy. Secondly he didnt use his plasma cannon at all, couple of hits would have slowed the lictor down exponentially.
I of course understand that Lictor is a high level threat, infiotrator, and assassin, who was specifically designed to eliminate high priority targets... But to kill Hel brute solo?! Magic of games
@@Cha-Khia lictors dont teleport... either on the lore or in the game... theyr a stealth unit like a sm scout... with the ability to cloak and being fast
@@gibster9624 Lore wise, they are one of the fastest creatures in universe. The only things with faster reflexes are some elite Eldar such as striking scorpion autarchs. The trade off is Lictors have very short lifespans and are extremely fragile (for a tyranid.)
@@Cha-Khia Doesn't he just become invisible? It seemed to me in the lore that they know how to camouflage themselves and are more likely secretive ambush predators, attackers who pick out the enemy elite, rather than super-fast head-on skirmishes
@@Anders-vl6kk they dont frickin teleport... Besides if you pay close attention you can See theyr footsteps... it ain't hard to Notice tbh. IG you got a skill and knowledge issue if you have trouble with lictors. Its ppl like you forever whining about the game "still" being too difficult that causes devs to nerf things that dont need nerfing.
I think what may have happened was a glitch in boss mechanics. Because only the Hellbrute had an HP bar, it's possible the Lictor had a sort of immortality, never actually recieving any damage despite being visibly hit and staggered
the game is very well done when you open the sarcophagus after being defeated you can see the operator's body hanging almost falling from the hellbrute 3:34
I like to put kitbash spikey dreadnoughts and call them "helbrutes" for datasheet and weapons purposes but lore wise they're just dreadnoughts who joined chaos or a chaos marine who salvaged a dreadnought.
that seems fair, boss lictor > helbrute > lictor and then assuming the equation stays the same, a boss helbrute in some dlc content down the road would be an absolute *monster*
there is also such a factor that the hellbrute always experiences constant pain and their owners keep them in chains, and another thing for some reason 1,000 dreams cannot make hellbrutes out of their soldiers and they are deceiving
they say to the worshiper of Tzeentch that you need to do some rituals and you will become a demon prince and if the naive traitor remains agrees then they prepare him through some rituals for a Helbrutus and in the end
@coreypoublon4411 Lictors have Rending Claws, some of the sharpest and most lethal of all Tyranid close-combat weapons, capable of ripping through tank armour. Lictors are also some of the quickest and most agile creatures in the entire galaxy, very few opponents can match its combat reflexes. So yes, it is entirely possible for a Lictor to defeat a Hellbrute Chaos Dreadnought- especially if it took it by surprise, which Lictors almost always do. The only lore-inaccurate part is that it survived this many direct hits from the hammer. A Lictor does not have very heavy or thick shell, so it would not be able to shrug off hits like THAT. The Lictor could win, but it would not win like in this video.
Should’ve also showed the Lictor's HP. But other than that, the fight was awesome. When the Lictor started dodging the Hellbrute's attacks then that's when I knew that the Hellbrute would lose although I was hoping for him to win.
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The Lictor used was the boss lictor from the story mode. Normal Lictors are very weak.
Now i understand why he won because damn the normal one would be surprising if he had so much health 😅
would also be really broken to have the lictor bouncing off of walls.
honestly i think it'd be really funny if lictors in the game had a very early (combat wise) execute prompt... but its just a trap from the sneaky lil bug and if you go for it you take some damage, that'd 1. funny 2. lore friendly as lictors are the smart sneaky bugs
I was about to say, this Lictor should've died after the first two hits.
@@matsumototatsuo I was wondering why it has so much health. That early boss fight was tough tough.
Looks like Trazyn is bored again.
Most boring Commoragh arena match
@@JackDuripper If this was Commoragh theyd have made a big fancy arena and released a thousand slaves telling them to survive against the battle between the bug and psycho coffin.
Yyyeep
I like to imagine a Dreadnought seeing a Helbrute and thinking “Hmm. Maybe I don’t have it so bad after all.”
A dreadnaught seeing a Hellbrute would be like
*_"FINALLY, A WORTHY OPPONENT!"_*
@@northernalpine4350 more like: A MOCKERY OF MY HOLY VESSEL WALKS THE BATTLEFIELD!
To be entombed in a Dreadnought is an honor, to be entombed in a Helbrute is a punishment. Usually the way the T sons make theirs is by tricking other sorcerers into using a spell that will make them vulnerable to being turned into a Helbrute without realizing it.
No, a Helbrute is 1000x worse than a Dreadnought, because while Space Marines view the Dreadnought as an honor, Chaos marines view the Helbrute as a prison.
You see a Redemptord absolutely mutilate a Hellbrute in the campaign and it's glorious. You also see a helldrake get violated by a statue lol
Considering all the power-hits from the hellbrute, boss or not, that lictor should've been dead twice over.
@@Dreez76 during a tyranid invasion, doesnt matter if theres millions of other ones to claim its place
@@orang7789Ok? This was a one on one
The Helbrute's player did not make the appropriate sacrifices to the Dice Gods, and the Prime Lictor's player is passing all of his ward saves, lol
@@hallowedbeyourdays The lictor player is cheating then and using Fantasy battle rules 😅
@@orang7789 lictors hunt solo.
1:01 there that shouldve been the whole battle!
instant death ☠️
@@tasirai8834 так и есть.
Well yes lictor is assasin, not a tank to match with hellbrute
Thunderhammers weak af in game
facts
According to the lore of Helbrutes, especially the ones of Thousand Sons - they use the kidnapped or tricked members of other legions and war bands since most of 1k sons are made of sand.
I mention this because the screaming of this helbrute in the very beginning sounds like “For GuillimAAAAAn!”
This guy was an Ultramarine who was captured by Thousand Sons and put into a Helbrute, his chapter’s colors were taken away from him, his flesh mutilated, he was condemned to incredible pain, torture & becoming mad, in the end, being unleashed against his own brothers.
The only good thing is that at the very least, his own brothers were able to grant him the Emperor’s Mercy.
Rest in peace brother, knowing that the Emperor forgives you and that your tormentors have been slain!
I had that thought when I was fighting one the other day, was wondering why he didnt turn to dust. Glad to see it explained.
@@cardyceps7728 That is dark. Really dark.
40K has amazing lore but that is especially grim.
Love it.
Wow, incredible spot! Thanks for sharing ❤
They primarily use other chaos astartes they trick
I think at the start its yelling “Sons of Guilliman” addressing the ultramarines
My favourite thing about the Helbrute in this game is that it shows that boxnoughts aren't the slow, unwieldly robots some people view them as. They're described in the lore as agile despite their awkward proportions, and the game captures that perfectly with how quickly they can swing their melee weapons around and charge at you.
Kinda feel bad for helbrutes. Once proud Astartes, now mutilated and tortured into an animalistic state by their own dreadnought. The price of heresy
The price of being a sucker, helbrutes are tricked into becoming
For thousands sons.
For other Warbands it's a punishment for failure.
the Thousand Son who put "free candy" on a dreadnought chassis 💀
@@ALunny For some Chaos groups, its a Dreadnought leading them. Not all have it as a punishment.
@@ZHBraden13 hellbrutes aint dreadnought
0:43 the way the Lictor jumps out of the way of the Helbrute's hammer and then starts circling as it charges the hammer, that feels like something out of The Predator
Not gonna lie I am surprised that the lictor won 🤣. But I am curious who wins who is going to be the best tank carnifex or the chaos dreadnought
Yeas please that is very fair and comprehensive fight.
Well it is a boss lictor from story mode the normal lictors would have died within a min.
So you usually _do_ lie?
Is the lictor not taking damage from some of the attacks? I feel like something isn't working propperly, ain't no way the lictor can tank all that.
@@Neves7561 he probably dodged it
It's a boss version of lictor.
Seems to be the boss lictor from the campaign
@@Neves7561 it says in the top right this is the boss lichtor, otherwise yeah a normal lichtor you run into would be long dead
@@98765zach lickthor*
This feels like the Total War Warhammer vids of the units fighting I love it, so glad to see the tabletop finally come to life
I know this is probably a lictor alpha, but I would still expect the hellbrute to pancake it with a few good swipes, the lictor got brought to it's last health bar first, thats when It really began dodging everything like crazy.
I feel like one solid hit from the Helbrute’s hammer should’ve turned the Lictor into a crab cake
@@MichaelZesty If it werent the story mode boss Lichtor it would be atomized
At 2:37 The Boss Lictor pulls off some smooth doges there!
When you're wounding on 2s but all you get are 1s.
this goes hard
Strength and power vs speed and agility
invisibility is also a big factor when he can drop aggro from helbrute and strike him unexpectedly.
To be fair, Lictors are pretty bloody strong in their own right.
@@matsumototatsuo Also helps that he has like 5x the health of a normal lictor, amiright? 🤪
@@thenethuns5271 guessing they used the boss lichtor from campaign
the helbrute for sure looked like it won the hit possession game yet it surprised me at the end
This is so entertaining, can you also use the astra militarum? Would be cool to see if a group of cadians can take down a mini boss
That would be interesting, for me I would love to know do the tanks realy make damage? Like the baneblade? Cause most of the time they just shoot into the background without any impact where we the players are, and of course the old question how many guardsman do you need to bring down which enemy
3:35 you can see the bodily remains of an astartes. That is *not* a hellforged hellbrute which are basically daemon engines.
Is it claimed somewhere that it's a hellforged helbrute? Normal helbrute has a CSM inside it.
@@tm5123 earliest hellbrutes were the traitor dreads that became extremely warp mutated. Their current lore states them as being made from hellforges, unlike the usual ‘slap that barely alive corpse into a coffin and lock him up until slaughter time’ shenanigans with csm.
@@daliberista4344 First sentence in the 10th edition chaos space marine codex entry for Helbrute reads as follows "Helbrutes are walking engines of destruction and psychosis, their OCCUPANTS kept alive in a state of agony and insanity."
I don't care about your special case helbrutes. The average helbrute is the one with sarcofagus with a maimed person, usually a chaos space marine. Whatever you're describing is not the codex entry. End of story.
@@tm5123 We need to remember that the Codex was written 10 Milenia ago... so some information might have changed a little bit.
@@ReginDeRivia uuh, the csm codex is a rules book with background lore, not the codex astares written by guilliman…
The lictor animation is soo slick.
Pokemon looks different today.
I really like that the Lictor is dodging the attacks. Thats is a tyranid witth tactic.
It is funny because a lictor vs a helbrute on the tabletop is basically the complete opposite
The lictor was very fortunate to have found that God Mode cheat code pickup right before this battle.
I expected lictor to avoid most of these attacks but he face tanked like 70% 😅
I really love that meaty overhead slam by the brute. They did a smashing job animating it!
wow lictor looks very proud at the end with the close-up
That close up on Lictor at 3:40 makes it look like it's ready to go after the Protoss and the Zerg
im impressed they made bosses able to interact like that when you probably wont ever see it in game, it even dodging attacks etc
Kinda freaky that the space marine portion of the helbrute is still intact. It feels like a reverse fish tongue parasite situation where instead of the parasite replacing the fish's tongue, a parasite grew around the astartes and used it as the new tongue.
Put tanks against each other
Carnifex VS Helbrute 1v1
Hellbrute win most of time
@@nekrindenekrinius1503 maybe.... but it's still would be nice to see
I really love the detail of the hellbrute movements, Reflecting that he is in a constant pain and fury at the chaos gods service.
Literal el "Si bro pásate al caos, mírame sirvo al dios verdadero y soy libre" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly, helbrutes are some of the coolest, yet scary things i would wver imagine running into in the 40k universe
Those dodges were slick, with it skirting around the hammer then rushing back in. Cloaking away from the slam a few times just before it hit.
The Lictor AI, I swear, is really smart on higher difficulties. I once was fighting one in Operations, on Substantial, and missed a parry. Lost most of my health. My Bulwark wanders over and puts the banner down so we can dust the Lictor together and gain full health from the banner's rally. Only, for the next 20 seconds or so before the banner faded, the Lictor cloaked, hid, and waited. It outright stopped attacking while we had the banner as an advantage and only reappeared after. I don't know if it was just a very well timed pause in its attack that it was always going to do, or if it was caused by a special being used. But it was both cool and aggravating.
That Lictor is surely built differently
i like how the lictor folds his scythes like a chicken
I'm so happy they made the Tyranids look so gnarly.
It’s amazing how smooth animation is, it doesn’t feel jarring or Jenkee at all
Man lictors are dangerous... It's just running circles around that armour, aiming at weak points... Darn
Australlia's least dangerous creature v. s. Boston Dynamics' Sanest Bot
Lictor got turn one, and the hell brute kept rolling 1s to wound. Brutal
That poor Thousand Sons player rolled like shit.
I seem to remember instant death being a thing.
We should see both hp bars
Game is hard coded to not allow 2 bosses to spawn and show their health.
so when ever i take my lictors for a spin ... then i WILL remember this
can you do a boss Lictor vs a normal Lictor to see the difference
Tbh movements and mechanics were made to accommodate a game in reality I think its even match. Helbrutes are described as raving mad, chained on the ceiling of a ship until they are unleashed upon the enemy. Secondly he didnt use his plasma cannon at all, couple of hits would have slowed the lictor down exponentially.
How the fuck did you do that we need a tutorial !
PLZ BRO
I of course understand that Lictor is a high level threat, infiotrator, and assassin, who was specifically designed to eliminate high priority targets... But to kill Hel brute solo?! Magic of games
campaign boss lictor*
ваууу это эпичный бой. Ликтор во время и классно уворачивается
Really cool how the Lictor movement makes no sense. Like, are they teleporting or just really that fast?
Game mechanic wise, it is teleportation, but in lore, they are really fast.
@@Cha-Khia lictors dont teleport... either on the lore or in the game... theyr a stealth unit like a sm scout... with the ability to cloak and being fast
@@gibster9624 Lore wise, they are one of the fastest creatures in universe.
The only things with faster reflexes are some elite Eldar such as striking scorpion autarchs.
The trade off is Lictors have very short lifespans and are extremely fragile (for a tyranid.)
@@Cha-Khia Doesn't he just become invisible? It seemed to me in the lore that they know how to camouflage themselves and are more likely secretive ambush predators, attackers who pick out the enemy elite, rather than super-fast head-on skirmishes
@@Anders-vl6kk they dont frickin teleport... Besides if you pay close attention you can See theyr footsteps... it ain't hard to Notice tbh. IG you got a skill and knowledge issue if you have trouble with lictors. Its ppl like you forever whining about the game "still" being too difficult that causes devs to nerf things that dont need nerfing.
one hit from a Chaos Dreadnought would obliterate a Lictor.
WH40K Dawn of War 3 should have looked like this
Man, Space Marines Mob Battle
Just how much health did the lictor even have at the end? Bro tanking a would-be tank and still being DPS
Could you do the Ultramarine Dreadnought vs. Magnus? That's what he would have wanted.
"Tanky lil buggar ain't he?"
Im cheering on for this hellbrute. It deserves our support after it was violated by that one Redemptor Dreadnought 🤣
if it wasn't a boss Lictor, every hammer hit would be lethal to him😂
Imagine landing a tone of hit roles with a thunder hammer and not a single 1 does a wound
I think what may have happened was a glitch in boss mechanics. Because only the Hellbrute had an HP bar, it's possible the Lictor had a sort of immortality, never actually recieving any damage despite being visibly hit and staggered
I just gotta say, that Hellbrute probably had some shitty dice rolls.
That bug really ate the hits. Odd considering the size difference and the fact that the giant cyborg is possessed by a god
I really wish we could have seen the Boss Lictor's health bar in order to know how close the Helbrute got.
Ain’t no way that Lictor survives this. That’s absurd.
Proof that the Tyrannids are way more terrifying than Games Workshop let's us see.
The boss Lictor was way easier to fight than the boss Hellbrute in the campaign...
I kept saying “just dodge” and they actually listened to me lol 2:48
was it just me or did that lictor learn the helbrutes attack patterns near the end?
The fact the lictor cant do the grab attacks it uses on the player really messes it up in a fight like this
I guess Lictors are just that cracked
me vs my roommate for the oreos
Weakest Hellbrute vs Strongest Lictor
Hate when I can't make a wound roll to save my life
"Lictor deez nutz!"
-Lictor
I love the Thousand Sons Helbrute design.
the game is very well done when you open the sarcophagus after being defeated you can see the operator's body hanging almost falling from the hellbrute 3:34
I like to put kitbash spikey dreadnoughts and call them "helbrutes" for datasheet and weapons purposes but lore wise they're just dreadnoughts who joined chaos or a chaos marine who salvaged a dreadnought.
A little surprised the Lichtor won when the Hellbrute was immune to its pin attack.
*Lictor Alpha* vs Hellbrute
Fixed that for you
that seems fair, boss lictor > helbrute > lictor
and then assuming the equation stays the same, a boss helbrute in some dlc content down the road would be an absolute *monster*
Sneaky Kathulu
i feel like the different units would fight each other diff then they would in the game setup a space marine, but still very cool nonetheless
Nahhh, lictor has cheatmode engaged. No way in hell would any lictor survive that.
Did the Lictor have infinite hitpoints? There is no way he would survive so many special attacks from Helbrute.
I really hope you're able to use the Imp Guard to fight some of these bosses, since it would be so cool to see how many guard it takes to kill them!
Its unfortunate that we didn't have Tyranid vs Chaos fight in SM2
The rapidly bobbing head of the Hellbrute is kinda disturbing.
How? The lictor takes like a couple combos to kill. How'd he not kill it? Wild.
I guess these chaos boys aren't as tough as they look
Interesting Video but the Range Weapon would need more use.
You could to Show the HP in the END and close the Unit Window.
Wish we had both health bars to see how close or not it was
that death animation is crazy, they did make the meatsac.
A bit more graphic then the normal just rip head off.
This is what you end up doing if you fail Thousand Sons sorcery finals. If you are lucky that is
I love that lictor
there is also such a factor that the hellbrute always experiences constant pain and their owners keep them in chains, and another thing for some reason 1,000 dreams cannot make hellbrutes out of their soldiers and they are deceiving
they say to the worshiper of Tzeentch that you need to do some rituals and you will become a demon prince and if the naive traitor remains agrees then they prepare him through some rituals for a Helbrutus and in the end
they deceive him, they put him in this iron monstrous thing and he will suffer and serve them until the end of his days
Was this a lore accurate fight? Asking for a friend
@coreypoublon4411 Lictors have Rending Claws, some of the sharpest and most lethal of all Tyranid close-combat weapons, capable of ripping through tank armour.
Lictors are also some of the quickest and most agile creatures in the entire galaxy, very few opponents can match its combat reflexes.
So yes, it is entirely possible for a Lictor to defeat a Hellbrute Chaos Dreadnought- especially if it took it by surprise, which Lictors almost always do.
The only lore-inaccurate part is that it survived this many direct hits from the hammer. A Lictor does not have very heavy or thick shell, so it would not be able to shrug off hits like THAT.
The Lictor could win, but it would not win like in this video.
ignore the comment from felynecomrade who tries to have a bet both ways. The lictor dies in the lore.
@@felynecomrade This deserves way more likes my G...
Should’ve also showed the Lictor's HP. But other than that, the fight was awesome. When the Lictor started dodging the Hellbrute's attacks then that's when I knew that the Hellbrute would lose although I was hoping for him to win.
Hello. What is this program? And how did you do it?