Ohhh boy you really think this is the end 😂😂😂 the end of the x-men series yhea probably but also the beginning of the marvel & x-men, you think Disney buyed fox for nothing? I personally want so much a crossout between this 2 series (and fantastic 4)
It’s not really bad. It just wasn’t made to be a summer movie like it was mismarketed to be. It was a character study about someone’s dark side...like it was advertised.
@@agentofchaos7456 nahhh, almost everything is bad in the writing The psychological drama is exactly what I was looking for (literally just watched it hours ago). But the point about psychological drama, is that the detail of the psychological aspect have to be correct. Which are not at all (or at least clear at all) in this movie: -. Hank, the guy who in his whole life has almost always by Charles side (even during DOFP), suddenly went against him without any discussion like 'Charles, you should apologize', up until he suddenly break down because of Raven. They should have had time to talk about each other behaviours beforehand. -. Hank, again, from someone who is almost always supportful on the idea of peace and not hurting others. Suddenly wants to KILL one of his own (former) colleague and student for revenge. Very out of character... -. Charles, was suddenly being a forceful godfather who just wants Jean to go back home no matter what. Does not realizing that that is just gonna make the person, especially during ptsd and after he has lied to her, becomes much more instable... -. Magneto, just talked about going through his past and talk about how to move on from that, letting go of what people did to his friends and family. And suddenly went through the same 'path' again, even though indeed Raven is his close friend. -. The aliens.... have the lamest motivation.... Their race was wiped out by that thing, and now she wants to harness it just like that. Very typical villain.... In the end, this psychological drama becomes much like a teenage girly drama (with action and bad, but forgettable, villain) for me and is more like a Disney Channel movie instead of the one I am looking for from X-Men.
@@stanleymaximillian8403 Jean wasn't really acting like a teenage girl but a schizophrenic(according to the cast and filmmakers). That is the psychological aspect of the movie I'm referring to. Google "Dark Phoenix is an Eye-Opening Lesson in What PTSD is Like For Women, and Why That Matters". Schizophrenia and PTSD share many symptoms.
Producers: man we made one of the best superhero movies ever and finally gave people the kinda of movie they been wanting and now we are going to be remembered positively. Fox: nope we can have that make the shortest xmen movie so people remember we shit.
ablurt_55 They can still end there for us. All we have to do is pretend everything after that never happened. The same way everybody forgets they made a Lion King sequel. Oh shit 🤦🏿♂️
I’m really gonna miss McAvoy and Fassbender as Professor X and Magneto. Those two absolutely *NAILED* their roles. Props to them. Can’t wait to see what the MCU does for the X - Men.
Yeah both of them were great especially Michael. I didnt care about x men UNTIL I saw first class and fell in love with his portrayal as magneto and understood why he is ranked either the best or second best marvel villains
He also said the same thing about the heroes fighting each other and a major character death. It sounds like he was trying to actively dislike the movie.
MattheJ1 Logan, good as it was, still had quite a few problems endemic to the X-Men movies. People forget about Monsanto killing the mutants and all the kids with recognizable names, but no relation to the characters they nominally are
Yeah definitely seeming like it's a better move to just forget Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix ever happened, and just treat DoFP as the true ending of the series, with Logan as the final epilogue.
I'm not much of a film critic, so there are really only two things I care about when I watch a movie: the plot and the visuals. Logan had a masterful plot and masterful visuals, and that's all that matters to me.
I knew it would be bad ... but It kinda surprised me when you said "worse than the last stand" and then you ended with WORSE THAN WOLVERINE ORIGINS??? Mann way to murder a movie ....
Last Stand has some good stuff in it, just the pacing is wack because there's two movies shoved together. I find it hard to believe Dark Phoenix is worse than Wolverine: Origins. It kind of makes me morbidly curious to see this, but it sounds like it's "boring bad" as opposed to "funny bad".
But is it worse than The Wolverine? Which is a separate movie where he goes to Japan. Since it wasn't mention in the video, I'm a little worried I may have just hallucinated that one.
Actually I knew it was going to be bad too. To be fair I liked X man the last stand but for it to be worse than X-Men origins and X man apocalypse(mostly because they turned mystique into the catch fire girl literally copy and paste job. Everyone admires her like in catching fire and she is the main character because she is Jennifer Lawrence not because she is mystique.) If it's worse than those 2 this might be the worst comic move of all time
Alex Havener Wolverine goes to Japan is the movie people forget about all the time, it's certainly better than Origin. People meme it all the time with the case of the yellow suit but forgot it's from Wolverine Japan.
Probably just another over the top review, to gain quick views and create some short of fake hype. I bet the movie is just boring, like x-men apocalypse or something like that.
@@tperfect7241 But to answer your question, that was a semi-serious question. The Dark Phoenix Saga is about showing Jean's slow descend into madness. But people seems to think it is about the X-Men fighting Jean or that Jean is the main villain of the story. A lot of misinformed opinions in both the video and the replies.
we had had enough dark phoenix saga, hopefully they are gonna do a spiderman homecoming, they don't tell the story over again, they just skip it, we get it!
@@CaptainCJ97 Person with question that has multiple a multiple choice answer: Person: Gives an answer that basically covers every possible answer with a single word.
G P you used rotten tomatoes , critics & biased spoiled fans & tried to make it a valid argument . Nah man , no comic book movie follows every exact moment from the comics . This movie might be quite bad , that could be true but you can’t just use another mans opinion to tell you how to feel. That’s some stupid stuff right there
@@yassermoran1065 you may be right that 1 (or more) reviewer and an aggregator of reviews may call something bad that others might actually enjoy; but remember that some people go with certain opinions because they found that their tastes (likes, dislikes and appreciation of nuances) line up the vast majority of the time. If something looks like a less appealing marketing run, from the same studio that gave a bad rendition of this subject matter before due to a crammed storyline (XM3:TLS), gave this particular I.P.'s new direction a bad prior installment (XM:Apoc), kept most of the creative team, then held back reviews to right before its premiere (usually a thing pointing at a subpar movie at best), the last bit of due diligence *is* to see if your favorite [and hopefully aligned] reviewers agree, disagree or find something redeeming to report back. Especially if one doesn't have money to just throw away at a more-than-likely less-than-enjoyable viewing experience. Now, that said, personally I'd calibrate my alignment with my go-to reviewers every once in a while. I'd want to be sure I'm not missing out by trusting and never verifying we're still aligned in tastes, but sometimes that is best done by still viewing it after on home video. If money's not an issue, then I'd do it in the cinema so I'm factoring in the experience of the big screen, sound design and graphics that could help something be more enjoyable despite average plot, story and script. In short, this is the whole point of checking reviews for certain movies, although I'm still going to see it. Although some people's experience can be negatively influenced by hearing reviews in advance, everyone isn't just blindly following a popular, uninformed opinion. I was hoping beyond track record that there'd be more positive news coming out of its last installment too. I like McAvoy, Fassbender and Holt as actors and particularly in these roles, so a good final installment may have tempted Disney to roll them over into the MCU or MCU adjacent version of X-Men we'd eventually get. Plus it would give Turner a good notch in her big screen repertoire instead of a repeat of Clarke & the Terminator fizzle.
I disagree with the MCU. Now that Disney owns Fox, they have a lot more material to work with. They may never reach End Game levels of hype again, but they could still pull off some hella good movies.
Honestly, Mistique , who is the plot moving mofo in DoFP, is so goddamn stupid and striaght up braindead in that movie that I cannot like it. Like, the plot is just sooo fucking dumb in so many instances. I think the only reason people actually like it it’s because we finally have mostly great actors on screen interacting with each other (the actors for Wolvie, Magnetto, Xavier and QS).... cause damn, I could barely get through Apocalypse since the actors for Nightcrawler, Cyclops(what a wimp btw), Jubileu and Jean Grey were sooooo bad in that movie , also the villains looked like a bunch of school actors near Michael Fesbender who actually did a good job. The gab in acting skill in Apocalypse was simply absurd
IKR. That actor was the ONLY saving grace in that shit movie. Poor guy is probably thinking he got ripped off. It blows my mind that Sophie Turner got this role. She is not all that great, in fact, she isn't even all that GOOD. Quick Silver could do a very awesome solo film especially with Evan Peters playing him. Jen Lawrence needs to quit. She is so cringy to watch, so fake, I simply cannot stand looking at her mutilate her roles. I am yet to see her play anything I felt was good in the least.
@@volgawolfhounds741 i feel like quicksilver gets kinda screwed over in all his movies hes in. In apocalypse, no one cared when he got his leg broken, but everyone lost their shit when mystique was being choked.
People like you piss me off. You act like x men 1, 2, first class, days do future past, deadpool, and Logan werent good. I love the mcu, but quit acting like rhe x men have beennin bad hands.
probably becaue at least with originas its liek aBatman and robin thing where its entertaining to bash on with friends, Dark Phoneix from what I understand is a boring waste of time, not fun, not corny, not entertaining at all
Yeah Even though Wolverine origins was awful, I honestly had a blast watching it but what I’ve seen and heard dark Phoenix was just pure boring and I would rather watch something that I actually would like to watch rather then sleeping through a boring mess
I mean, origins wasn’t that bad. If we ignore or take away the shit that they call “Deadpool”, it’s not that bad of a movie. It still could’ve been better but i would say it was absolutely awful.
When the random army guy dies and nightcrawler develops a strong emotional bond to him for no reason and then gets angry for like half a minute then starts killing people. The cringe.
What annoys me is that EVERYONE with the exception of the 90s cartoon series, jumps straight into the "Dark Phoenix" story. Totally skipping over that when first possessed by the Phoenix entity, Jean was doing good things and was a guardian who saved planets. She was good. Then when her time came to leave Jean Grey's body, the Phoenix was like "Screw this, I like the feeling of being human. I'm staying and nobody better get in my way." That is the reason it worked in the comic and cartoon. Cause they had the balls to say "Watch a powerful good spirit lose control of itself and basically give into DARK part ALL humans have deep inside of them. Even the best versions of us.
@@creativecookbook Dark Phoenix in the comic is an epic saga. It worth Marvel whole 10 years of Avengers Thanos saga. Not this whimper of a movie. She destroys planets, for fuck sake! Not just meddling around inside a train coach.
Fucking thank you! .... Yes, the Phoenix force is ultimately an arch of things going bad and an ultimate evil, but everyone jumps right to evil aaaand go! ... Theres no build up to what it turns into from what it had potential to be. I always looked at it like the symbiotes. Like, they were never really good, but they settled on behavior for the sake of the host, but then things go super bad when it gets rejected and essentially get its feelings hurt. .... No one wants to flesh out these great story archs for some reason. Its always, "alright, dark Phoenix, unstoppable destruction. Action!"
I totally agree idk why they don't go the multipart route introduce jean in one movie the Phoenix in 2&3 then dark Phoenix at the end of 3& all of 4. No need to rush it when you can milk it like the cash cow it is.
Logan is the only xmen movie of note and that was by being as removed as it could be in tone and content from the rest of the franchise as possible. 20 years and maybe an OK first movie and one solid entry. Damn.
@RushEffect X1 hasn’t aged too well is the only thing. Heaps of early 2000s cliches and the film making feels amateurish compared to modern superhero media
Reshoots and delays ruiend the movie, both fox and disney is to blame for this. What a shame, we got 4 bad superhero movies out of 4 this year, what a fucking shame.
They should’ve learnt from the MCU the MCU continued to do the best they can to create good movies even when Disney took over. The same applies for Star Wars Disney took over and Star Wars was like: welp time to destroy the franchise.
You can find the lack of motivation in the development of this movie just by looking at every character, their low costume design, and how fast the storyline goes. It was like watching a group project of rookie actors dressed in Forever 21 and Pull & Bear just trying to get their final project done lol At least the effects were good, I guess 🤷♂️
Not true. This movie was a originally a two parter until the studio condensed it into one at the last minute and than cut around a half a hour of scenes. Also, the X-suits were suppose to bad, the characters in the movie even say they were bad and they only wear it for two scenes.
Yep. Luckily I have an AMC stubs membership so this won't cost me anything. I'll just watch it for completion sake. It's the end of an awful Fox xmen era and I just wanna see it the shit show so that I'm well informed when I criticize it
I haven't seen the film but going off the trailer I was under the impression that Xavier put the mental blocks in her head to keep the Phoenix away and the energy shit in space she absorbed destroyed those blocks inside her
One thing I noticed is this film is set in 1992, like 30 years after First Class yet most of them look entirely the same. Raven and Hank will probably supposed to be in their mid-late 50s, Magneto and Charles in their 60s or even early 70s. They didn't even care lol
@@reed2144 There is one thing you aren't getting, and its the fact in this series in this timeline. Erik, Raven and Charles were all born in the early 1930's since they were teens in 1944. So let's say that they were born in 1932 and first class was set in 1962 meaning they were 30 in that you following? Days of Future past was set in 1973 11 years after that which would make them 41 again without really ageing to much. Then you have apocalypse set in 1983 and 10 years after dofp which would make them 51 years old in that movie with almost no signs of ageing. Then you have this movie set in 1992 9 years after that and 30 years since first class. Meaning in this movie they are 60 years old. Yet they still look like they are 30 years old which makes no sense and it's not natural and it makes the one in charge of this movie and writer of the series look like he does not care at all. All they had to was subtle changes throughout the movie and series to make it look like they were ageing then it would have made more sense but they didnt do and given whose writing this crap it does not surprise me at all given his track record.
@@readthisifyouloveitballsde4939 Yeah, He should stop shitting on this movie. X-men dark phoenix is one of the most underrated comic book movies. It was not meant as x-men universe ending, but as a begining of a new trilogy. Rip xmen(2000-2020). now they will let disney ruin it. The writing is way better than the entire mcu, and wtf is he shitting about the visual effects. He should go and watch Endgame and talk about shitty visual effects. This movie is way more cohesive then people say, and the ending is perfect.
They kept wanting to do Dark Phoenix without the regular Phoenix Saga. This could have been a built over 3 or 4 films but shit writeing and no plan killed it.
Seriously.. is this a new thing?? I feel like writers are slashing through stories just to get it on screen and collect $$$. I just got done watching Chernobyl on HBO (5 episodes) but it felt incredible compared to the writing from GoT or DF. =( We best keep waiting for a good one @jedinightwing
It was built over the coarse of two films. Apocalypse set the groundwork for Jean's phoenix powers and her duality. Just like X-2 did. The problem with this was how it contradicts the previous movie, because Jean had Phoenix powers before she absorbed the cosmic energy.
@@antona.8659 Yes and this film feels like it was supposed to set up another part of the story. What's really annoying is that the film reveals this continuity error halfway through as a twist. At first you just think that a Solar flare awakened something, but then they reveal that it was an alien force. It also makes Prof X covering up Jean accidentally killing her mother and injuring her father a lot less important, since he had no clue that she would eventually loose control of her powers due to a Phoenix force possessing her. He even did it on behalf of her father rather than out of ego. Prof X is supposed to unsympathetic in this film, but his decisions are justifiable.
Right? The phoenix thing could start appearing slightly in the first movie and then evolving, growing out of control. They should have planned it long term. but with DC it feels like it’s all about instant money.
That was the first x men movie I watched lol, I wasn’t into x men heavily at that moment. But it made me watch the other x men movies and learn about them
Movie was so much garbage,everybody had their powers on lite for most of it,being a Magneto fan was hugely disappointed,serious cyclops was standing on a car,we've seen him lift a sub,a stadium,also we've seen him get rid of someone who had no metal on them yet in this movie he's......ugh Also he KNOWS Jean can control things yet walks right In head on to kill her,the helicopter chess match between the two was also cringe worthy to watch,Magneto floating over to Jean also looked terrible The action scenes looked uninspired,there was nothing epic for Magneto to do and no epic quick silver scene,the original dark phoenix looked scary and powerful Sansa did not,Charles is also very powerful but is so weak in this movie....movie is just trash
No, it will never work if they make it. They are only good at solo movies like the two Deadpool and Wolverine movies (Origins doesn't count). Look at Fantastic Four, Ghostrider and Hulk, they were shit because they were made by money-grubbers who bought rights , not comic book lovers (Yes, I love the Incredible Hulk movie). The Punisher have also been shat on year after year until Marvel got their hands back on the IP. Probably the reason why Universal never made a She-Hulk or Namor the Submariner movie.. because they know it would suck as well
I think it's more of the expectation of both films. Like lets be honest here, nobody really had any expectations or thought that Fan4stic was gonna be good. But for the x-men franchise, you have at least some possible good past movies, as well as a really good story already there.
Bumblebee was actually an amassing Transformers movie in my opinion. It had a good story line this time and I could tell who was what character along with who is fighting who.
@@jagtech490 there were many things i dislike such as the design, the action sequences. The story might be better than bay's in terms of execution but its a little too simplistic for my liking. But this is my opinion, you don't have to agree with mine. Feel free to disagree.
Haven't seen _Dark Phoenix_ , but I *KNOW* _X-Men Origins: Wolverine_ is far, far worse than _X-Men: The Last Stand_ is. At least _The Last Stand_ is enjoyable if you turn your brain off. _Origins_ is so bad it is *impossible* to turn your brain off. The only redeeming factor of XMOW is the same one _Dragonball: Evolution_ has: at least it gave us _Deadpool_ (whereas D:E at least gave us _Dragonball_ fans the _Battle of Gods_ and _Resurrection 'F'_ movies, which in turn gave us the wonderful _Dragonball Super_ ).
When it comes to the pprequel/alternate time lime movies, I liked how you could see the beginnings of the great man Charles would be, and the flaws he had still yet to overcome. The only problem is, after days of future past, they pretty much gave up on the "great man he will become" and instead focused far too heavily on his flaws. He doesn't make any progressions on improving mutant rights on screen, and therefore will never become the man he was in X men 3 who Magneto said had done more for mutants that pyro would ever know. He just remains a deeply flawed and kind of useless idealist.
I thought X-Men 3 was by far one of the worst, especially after how good X2 was. Then we got the non-cgi "Juggernaut" flop in X3, along with all of its faults. Now reviews say this movie is worse... I'm scared.I'm so scared.
@@agentofchaos7456 I have seen the cartoon and read the Dark Phoneix saga comics - this is based on an extremely, extremely loose interpretation of the comics.
Amigo Rigo well when u hire the exact same writer/director who fucked this movie up the first time to do the exact same storyline u end up with the same shit caliber movie. I’m still gonna watch just cuz it’s the last one but then I’m probably gonna sneak into MA to get some better enjoyment cuz I hear that movie’s really good.
It amazes me how Fox blew up its franchise of X-Men not once but twice. Apocalypse was the point where it self-destructed. Dark Phoenix is just the flaming wreckage crashing back to Earth.
Both were written (and Dark Phoenix also directed) by Simon Kinberg. What did you expect? I said it before: that guy’s the ultimate responsible for the decline of the XMen movie series and yet they kept him on board until the very end.
jason lewis I was talking about Simon Kinberg. That’s who Fox hired and put in charge of Last Stand as co-writer and co-director. A lot of what went wrong with that movie was because of the way he tried to reimagine everything and wrote unnecessary shit storylines with underdeveloped concepts and characters. And when everybody in the world told him it was a shit movie he actually stood by it unapologetic about anything he did. So I don’t understand why Fox decided to hire this man to do literally the exact same movie he already royally fucked up. They couldn’t have honestly thought he was gonna do better this time.
jason lewis I’ll be honest when i saw Last Stand I thought it was awesome, forgive me I was 8. It wasn’t til I got older that I finally saw it for what it was. As for Apocalypse, the first time I saw that I actually thought it was really solid. It wasn’t til my second time that I saw all the holes. However to me they could never make a movie as bad as X-men origins wolverine. Even as an 11 yr old seeing this for the first time in theatre, even then I thought that movie was absolutely garbage.
I honestly felt really bad for Simon Kinberg, who wrote and directed the movie. Not only was this his directorial debut but he was given another chance to do the Dark Phoenix storyline and he even planned to make a trilogy around it. But due to the Disney buyout, Fox grew impatient, stepped in and messed the film up even worse than the first time.
It was planned to be a two movies but Fox made it into one in late production. Disney had no hand in it. I wouldn’t say they messed it up even more. This movie actually had a clear vision.
Naughty Avatar I know. What I meant by “the first time” was actually The Last Stand which I had finally watched recently. And WOOOWWWWW, its really bad. So yeah already, this movie is better than The Last Stand. And I also think Fox grew impatient due to Avengers Endgame and I also read somewhere that they reshot the third act due to it being too similar to Captain Marvel. Edit: I also found out that Chris Claremont, who wrote the original comic praised this adaptation.
Yeah, The Last Stand is all over the place. Jeremy is out of his mind for thinking this is all over the place with its many subplots but that movie isn’t. I’ve realized that Jeremy’s main criticism of the movie is that it doesn’t focus on fighting a villain. This movie was made to be about Jean dealing with her childhood trauma resurfacing as an adults, which is a relatable story.
Naughty Avatar I agree to that as well. Just saw the movie and I honestly think it’s WAY BETTER than the critics were suggesting. Apart from the obviously bad “X-Women” scene, everything else held up for me and it was MILES better than Apocalypse, which might have been Bryan Singer’s fault since he co-wrote the story and the last time he did that, we got Superman Returns. Also, I just found out that Kinberg’s screenplay in The Last Stand was rewritten by Zak Penn (Ready Player One) due to Fox disliking it for being “too dark”. Anyways, I’m hoping Feige (who actually was the one who ordered the reshoots) doesn’t ruin the MCU versions.
Logan was a horrible movie. I love wolverine and that’s the main reason why I hate it. They destroyed the profesors character arc and it’s just soo stupid the way they put in the cursing out of nowhere. That’s what idiots nowadays like, rated r. The story was horrible and all over the place . Very slow sloppy random movie
I literally couldn't watch this movie past the 40 minute mark, I just...I just...couldn't and I'm usually not very hard to please when it comes to movies, but this was just horrendous
In the comics the Phoenix really is an entity from Space and, she encounter Grey like that. But seems like the writers didn't saw that in Apocalypse they already gave the Phoenix to Jean and seems like they just didn't care to make that BIG mistake. They just wanted to calm the comics fans by showing that they knew what the Phoenix is and that they indeed looked the comics. But by doing that I had the impression that they just mocked the comics fans AND the people who had at least watched Apocalypse.... so yes this incoherent in so many levels and I think that the writers just didn't cared.....
@@reggiemwidgeoniii6002 man was the stand off between Xavier and Magneto awful!shit action for shit action sake!the train sequence was mediocre at best!so fun to hear James Mccavoy adopting Patrick Stewarts speech pattern!
The cast and crew said in the behind the scenes features that they didn’t want Jean to be a villain. They wanted her to represent people who suffer from metal illnesses and made this a psychological thriller. Hence why it was going to be released in the fall but Fox forced it into the summer so Alita could get the fall date and than started marking Dark Phoenix as this high stakes event films when it was never made to be.
Both of that stuff was developed in X-Men: Apocalypse. She’s scared little girl who is afraid of her own power and her greatest fear is that she will hurt people someday.
This is an adaptation and thus has to stand on its own. The purple cosmic power in the movie is never once referred to as the “Phoenix Force” in the movie nor it did not look like a Phoenix. It’s like saying the “Robin” in The Dark Knight Rises is Dick Grayson. We were going to get that back when the movie was planned as a two parter but the studio made it into one film in late pre-production.
Oh the filmmakers had the guts to use the Shi’ar. Jessica Chastain had originally signed up to play Lilandra when the story was planned to be a two parter. However, once the studio had made it into one film Kinberg had to cut things out so to not lose focus on Jean. The M’Kraan Crystal was not in Dark Phoenix. That was he Phoenix Saga. They are two separate storylines. Jean had more screen time than Wolverine in each of the X-Men films that were not Wolverine solos. You can look he screen time. So she wasn’t a plot device but the protagonist and had a hero’s journey arc. Everyone else except Xavier had very little screen time.
HONEST!?!?!? watch the movie and tell me JEREMY SHIT-MOUTH JAHN'S comment on Nightcrawler killing like a psychotic murderer (implying he was killing everyone when he was just killing the aliens to save the soldiers) was pure bullshit. THIS GUY EXAGERRATES WAY TOO MUCH FOR ATTENTION!
5 good films
5 bad films
The X-men franchise is, at least, perfectly balanced. As allthings should be.
aren’t there 11 movies though?
And then you got Deadpool and Deadpool 2 come in like "Fuck yo balance Cable"
3 good films, honestly. X-Men, X-Men 2 and The Wolverine 2013. The rest suck, with Last Stand being the only guilty pleasure.
@@JessicaChastainFan What about Deadpool?
X men, X2, First class, Days of future past and Logan
*_Evacuate the city, engage all defenses and get this man a refund._*
LMFAO.
*Im dead* 😂😂😂😂😂
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Honestly, Fox should’ve ended their X Men movies with Logan.
The Begley Show agree!
Wouldve been such an appropriate and good sendoff for the franchise given that the disney buy-out closed so soon/fast
I agree. Logan is a classic comic book movie.
Nathon Fleming not really, the buyout was official this March. But a good dormancy would've been fine
Ohhh boy you really think this is the end 😂😂😂 the end of the x-men series yhea probably but also the beginning of the marvel & x-men, you think Disney buyed fox for nothing? I personally want so much a crossout between this 2 series (and fantastic 4)
The "X-Women" line literally made me groan in the theater.
When the MIB sequel pokes fun at feminism, you know this shit's getting old
Such a cringe line. Mystique of all people shouldn’t be saying that line when she was the one who originally came up with the name x-men
If they believed in equality they would have suggested them be called “The X-People”
she says it after NightCrawler saves Phoenix
Autistic Clorox I thought I was the only one I'm thinking.... Bruh. You really had to go there
Every time an X-men movie comes out... The Gods flip a coin.
LOL
Ajay!
The gods are going to subvert our expectations, aren’t they?
THEREDAKAY always bad smh only thing good that came out was wolverine
And believe me, he's winding up
_"People want to see some good Dark Phoenix X-men shit, and this movie actually does have some _*_g-arbage."_*
- Jeremy Jahns, 2019
Darryl Lazakar haha favorite part of the entire video. Seems to just about sum up the entire review.
everyone needs to skip this movie and go see godzilla this weekend, because it was actually really good and that franchise has a lot of potential
I really wanted Jeremy to say "This movie actually does have some good Dark Phoenix X-men shit"
Nik Terin no
@@ultrapat23 Me too😐. Wish the last movie would at least be mediocre
Post credit scene of this movie, Nick Fury shows up,
"I want to start a team, and ya'll aren't invited."
SKYRULE-49 hahahaha
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LMAO! You Sir, just won the Internets.
Avengers vs X-Men
Deadpool shows up and doesn't want them in his next movie either
I had to rewatch First Class and Logan after this movie to cleanse my soul
It’s not really bad. It just wasn’t made to be a summer movie like it was mismarketed to be. It was a character study about someone’s dark side...like it was advertised.
@@agentofchaos7456 nahhh, almost everything is bad in the writing
The psychological drama is exactly what I was looking for (literally just watched it hours ago).
But the point about psychological drama, is that the detail of the psychological aspect have to be correct. Which are not at all (or at least clear at all) in this movie:
-. Hank, the guy who in his whole life has almost always by Charles side (even during DOFP), suddenly went against him without any discussion like 'Charles, you should apologize', up until he suddenly break down because of Raven. They should have had time to talk about each other behaviours beforehand.
-. Hank, again, from someone who is almost always supportful on the idea of peace and not hurting others. Suddenly wants to KILL one of his own (former) colleague and student for revenge. Very out of character...
-. Charles, was suddenly being a forceful godfather who just wants Jean to go back home no matter what. Does not realizing that that is just gonna make the person, especially during ptsd and after he has lied to her, becomes much more instable...
-. Magneto, just talked about going through his past and talk about how to move on from that, letting go of what people did to his friends and family. And suddenly went through the same 'path' again, even though indeed Raven is his close friend.
-. The aliens.... have the lamest motivation.... Their race was wiped out by that thing, and now she wants to harness it just like that. Very typical villain....
In the end, this psychological drama becomes much like a teenage girly drama (with action and bad, but forgettable, villain) for me and is more like a Disney Channel movie instead of the one I am looking for from X-Men.
@@stanleymaximillian8403 Jean wasn't really acting like a teenage girl but a schizophrenic(according to the cast and filmmakers). That is the psychological aspect of the movie I'm referring to.
Google "Dark Phoenix is an Eye-Opening Lesson in What PTSD is Like For Women, and Why That Matters". Schizophrenia and PTSD share many symptoms.
Check out my latest video about the psychological aspect.
Don't forget Days of Future Past
Fox's Xmen saga shouldve ended on a high with Logan.
Agreed
ablurt_55 just be glad Hugh jackmen wasn’t in this dumpster fire
Or DOFP
Producers: man we made one of the best superhero movies ever and finally gave people the kinda of movie they been wanting and now we are going to be remembered positively. Fox: nope we can have that make the shortest xmen movie so people remember we shit.
ablurt_55 They can still end there for us. All we have to do is pretend everything after that never happened. The same way everybody forgets they made a Lion King sequel. Oh shit 🤦🏿♂️
So the movie ends with an actual trainwreck.
That's pretty fitting.
Neuman Otávio so everyone dies??
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
Neuman Otavio For the Win!
That is the right thing I would after wrecking an whole franchise from a grocery store to dump yard.
I’m really gonna miss McAvoy and Fassbender as Professor X and Magneto. Those two absolutely *NAILED* their roles. Props to them. Can’t wait to see what the MCU does for the X - Men.
Probably the best representation of the characters to date since the original xmen movies lol
Totally agree
Yeah both of them were great especially Michael. I didnt care about x men UNTIL I saw first class and fell in love with his portrayal as magneto and understood why he is ranked either the best or second best marvel villains
The ultimate on again off again romance. Ross and Rachel don't have shit on them.
I think disney will surprise everyone and not touch the X-men for a long time
I'm sad that Logan and Tony will never interact
Captain Mexico they can in our hearts
You mean Jackman and Downey Jr. ? ;) feel ya
That's what fanfics are for.
Hugh Jackman said that he wanted to be with the avengers, that wasn’t gonna happen either way after endgame
This comment potentially aged like milk😂
Well I mean, Maybe not Tony, but… Downey😂
Why ruin the Dark Phoenix storyline once , when you can ruin it twice...
Thanks Fox.
Well at least now Marvel can have the next big threat for the MCU that on par with Thanos.
Oh that nice but very very funny
Hey at least they took something that was already ruined rather than taking something else and ruining that too.
Hahahahaha
No Lilandra and no gladiator Such a shame.
"Not as good as X-Men Origins: Wolverine"
This is the worst thing you can say about any movie
Did X men origins wolverine suck?
Jeremy is a moron who never read the Phoenix saga.
*Sees thumbnail*
Me: Oof, that bad?
Arnulfo Martinez my thoughts exactly.
"It takes place on a train how interesting can that be?"
Spider-Man 2: Am I a joke to you
He also said the same thing about the heroes fighting each other and a major character death. It sounds like he was trying to actively dislike the movie.
I mean so was I when I watched this movie
You mean were trying to hate it? Forgot to put in “death” after “major character”.
Snowpiercer: am i a joke to you?
@Benjamin Nikolin yea pretty much
Jeremy took his jacket off...that’s how you know it’s bad.
Ignatius Kray Haa haaaa! 😂😂😂
When did he take his jacket off
@@nunyadambidnis2274 5:10
@@ishayl3y430 It's bad just except it
They could've gone out on a high note with Logan, but nooo, they just had to keep going.
MattheJ1 Logan, good as it was, still had quite a few problems endemic to the X-Men movies. People forget about Monsanto killing the mutants and all the kids with recognizable names, but no relation to the characters they nominally are
And make Deadpool 2?
Yeah definitely seeming like it's a better move to just forget Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix ever happened, and just treat DoFP as the true ending of the series, with Logan as the final epilogue.
Karl Naumann couldn’t agree more
I'm not much of a film critic, so there are really only two things I care about when I watch a movie: the plot and the visuals. Logan had a masterful plot and masterful visuals, and that's all that matters to me.
Reviews: “Fox failed to adapt Dark Phoenix yet again”
Kevin Feige: “Fine... I’ll do it myself.”
Storyline is so tired by now, it'll be 2030s before we ever see Jean Red again.
😂😂😂 true dat
I hope not, just leave it alone at this point
mk6rfc1 Admittedly I agree, I’m X-Men-ed out. Let them rest for a bit.
@@drlca6601 also thought so about Spiderman, but here we are
I knew it would be bad ... but
It kinda surprised me when you said "worse than the last stand" and then you ended with WORSE THAN WOLVERINE ORIGINS???
Mann way to murder a movie ....
I was to especially origins
Last Stand has some good stuff in it, just the pacing is wack because there's two movies shoved together. I find it hard to believe Dark Phoenix is worse than Wolverine: Origins. It kind of makes me morbidly curious to see this, but it sounds like it's "boring bad" as opposed to "funny bad".
But is it worse than The Wolverine? Which is a separate movie where he goes to Japan. Since it wasn't mention in the video, I'm a little worried I may have just hallucinated that one.
Actually I knew it was going to be bad too. To be fair I liked X man the last stand but for it to be worse than X-Men origins and X man apocalypse(mostly because they turned mystique into the catch fire girl literally copy and paste job. Everyone admires her like in catching fire and she is the main character because she is Jennifer Lawrence not because she is mystique.)
If it's worse than those 2 this might be the worst comic move of all time
Alex Havener Wolverine goes to Japan is the movie people forget about all the time, it's certainly better than Origin. People meme it all the time with the case of the yellow suit but forgot it's from Wolverine Japan.
Disney: you couldn’t live with your failure, where did that bring you? Back to me!
Fox: :/
Disney: Let's kill it properly this time.
@@Beltzer0072 and forever
Disney taking over copyright: I am inevitable.
Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same.
You the GOAT for this Comment 😂😂😂😂
How do you screw up one of the greatest comic book arcs...twice??!
well if it's that easy u become an director and make it
Make it word for word. They always try to cut a huge arc in one movie
Zack snyder did it already, he F'ed BVS, And JL
@@chaosiscoming9184 with the money that the studios are investing, a guy in coma could do better
Simple. You're a hack who works for Fox and doesn't understand comic books.
Sophie Turner's 2019 sure isn't going as she hoped.
Joel D she made a mistake of marrying a terrible singer.
@@Jonathanest90s nah
When Jeremy brings The Last Stand as a positive role model... you know they did something wrong...
True. . . Hard to imagine but . . He said it.
And you know they completely busted it when he says x-men origins is better
Same director
Yea, honestly I would rather pay to watch last stand rather than watch Dark Phoenix again for free😂😂😂
Bruh, point taken.
*looks at thumbnail*
Yep, I knew it was gonna be one of those.
Damn I was about to say that😂😂
They messed up fantastic four twice and dark Phoenix twice as well
Tyler Sells that was the exact same reaction I had when I saw his facial expression in the thumbnail lmao ohhhh man
It’s worse than Origins Wolverine!?!?
Good lord😂
Black Jesus that’s when I KNEW the movie was TRASH. Damn... 💩💩💩💩💩
I didn’t even think that was possible lol
Yah, calling it dogshit seemed like an upgrade after that insult
Yes and it's even worse than your grammar.
Probably just another over the top review, to gain quick views and create some short of fake hype. I bet the movie is just boring, like x-men apocalypse or something like that.
"I'm the Juggernaut Bitch!" was more entertaining than all of Dark Phoenix
If you're not interested in films that explore a character's dark side/repressed trauma than why did you watch this movie?
@@agentofchaos7456 were you attempting to ask the most ignorant and redundant question in you tube history? if so Gratz, nailed it.
@@tperfect7241 You've never read the Dark Phoenix Saga have you?
@@agentofchaos7456 I have. Multiple times. And that also has nothing to do with his comment and opinion on the movie and your unrelated response.
@@tperfect7241 But to answer your question, that was a semi-serious question. The Dark Phoenix Saga is about showing Jean's slow descend into madness. But people seems to think it is about the X-Men fighting Jean or that Jean is the main villain of the story.
A lot of misinformed opinions in both the video and the replies.
Fans: So how many times are you going to ruin the Dark Phoenix saga?
Fox: yes
It also works if you replace Fox with Simon Kinberg
I nevr got this meme
we had had enough dark phoenix saga, hopefully they are gonna do a spiderman homecoming, they don't tell the story over again, they just skip it, we get it!
Congrats Andrew atleast your Spiderman was better than all of the people in this movie
@@CaptainCJ97
Person with question that has multiple a multiple choice answer:
Person: Gives an answer that basically covers every possible answer with a single word.
The bar for this movie was already set so low given Last Stand. Yet Fox somehow managed to bury it six feet deeper. Bravo Fox, I am legit impressed.
Did you watch it ? Or are you simply letting this mans review define the movie for you
G P you used rotten tomatoes , critics & biased spoiled fans & tried to make it a valid argument . Nah man , no comic book movie follows every exact moment from the comics . This movie might be quite bad , that could be true but you can’t just use another mans opinion to tell you how to feel. That’s some stupid stuff right there
Fox, the unparalled masters of Chicken Limbo.
Everyone: "How low can you go??"
Fox: "yes"
@@yassermoran1065 you may be right that 1 (or more) reviewer and an aggregator of reviews may call something bad that others might actually enjoy; but remember that some people go with certain opinions because they found that their tastes (likes, dislikes and appreciation of nuances) line up the vast majority of the time.
If something looks like a less appealing marketing run, from the same studio that gave a bad rendition of this subject matter before due to a crammed storyline (XM3:TLS), gave this particular I.P.'s new direction a bad prior installment (XM:Apoc), kept most of the creative team, then held back reviews to right before its premiere (usually a thing pointing at a subpar movie at best), the last bit of due diligence *is* to see if your favorite [and hopefully aligned] reviewers agree, disagree or find something redeeming to report back. Especially if one doesn't have money to just throw away at a more-than-likely less-than-enjoyable viewing experience.
Now, that said, personally I'd calibrate my alignment with my go-to reviewers every once in a while. I'd want to be sure I'm not missing out by trusting and never verifying we're still aligned in tastes, but sometimes that is best done by still viewing it after on home video. If money's not an issue, then I'd do it in the cinema so I'm factoring in the experience of the big screen, sound design and graphics that could help something be more enjoyable despite average plot, story and script.
In short, this is the whole point of checking reviews for certain movies, although I'm still going to see it. Although some people's experience can be negatively influenced by hearing reviews in advance, everyone isn't just blindly following a popular, uninformed opinion.
I was hoping beyond track record that there'd be more positive news coming out of its last installment too. I like McAvoy, Fassbender and Holt as actors and particularly in these roles, so a good final installment may have tempted Disney to roll them over into the MCU or MCU adjacent version of X-Men we'd eventually get. Plus it would give Turner a good notch in her big screen repertoire instead of a repeat of Clarke & the Terminator fizzle.
Let's face it. X-Men Origins:Wolverine and X-Men:Apocalypse set the bar much lower before Dark Phoenix came along.
(Sees The Thumbnail.)
Oh, No...
I was hoping it would be a bait-and-switch ruse and he actually loved it. Damn.
Let’s be honest we already saw this coming....
i hAvnt even seen it
For me. (Sees The Thumbnail.)...
Oh, yes...
I literally died laughing when Charles “walked”
That was kinda funny and odd, you're not the only who said they laughed at that to
That was BEYOND disturbing to me.
And yes, also funny
@@leonardobraynen1524 For me, it was that helicopter scene.
RiP.
it felt like they put that in the movie to be like “SEEEE she’s DaRK”
Logan (2017) was the end of the X-Men saga for me.
And I'm keeping it that way.
AJcaraballo95 I agree
I dont think anyone will disagree with you, just like how the MCU ended with Endgame, we all know its over.
Same
I disagree with the MCU.
Now that Disney owns Fox, they have a lot more material to work with.
They may never reach End Game levels of hype again, but they could still pull off some hella good movies.
I can't believe I was hoping for Dark Phoenix to be the Logan of xmen in terms of going out with a final blast. Boy did they fuck up.
Jeremy: This Movie is......Dogshit!
Thor: I knew it!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ishayl3y430 Fuck is your problem
@@ishayl3y430 What?
You no I'm one of the few people that thouroughly enjoyed Thor the Dark World.
Haha pretty accurate
Xavier: "She'll kill us all"
Captain America: "But not us" 😏
Jd Atkinson lmao
Ditto, fuck!
Really
not us
Captain America : "Bananas"
“As a great philosopher once said...this is a mess.” 😂
Jean was never the villain of the Dark Phoenix Saga so Jeremy's arguments are based on misconceptions.
I regret watching this movie again in 2023 🤢
X men, X2, First class, DOFP, Logan: so many good movies and now...
LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY
"Disney buys Xmen" LOOK HOW THEY ARE ABOUT TO REVIVE MY BOY
For how they handled Star Wars and Marvel.... I won't hold my breath
First class is my fav, that movie was amazing.
Honestly, Mistique , who is the plot moving mofo in DoFP, is so goddamn stupid and striaght up braindead in that movie that I cannot like it. Like, the plot is just sooo fucking dumb in so many instances. I think the only reason people actually like it it’s because we finally have mostly great actors on screen interacting with each other (the actors for Wolvie, Magnetto, Xavier and QS).... cause damn, I could barely get through Apocalypse since the actors for Nightcrawler, Cyclops(what a wimp btw), Jubileu and Jean Grey were sooooo bad in that movie , also the villains looked like a bunch of school actors near Michael Fesbender who actually did a good job. The gab in acting skill in Apocalypse was simply absurd
Kakakarot Cake especially how they made her the “hero” in apocalypse movie🤦🏽♂️
Quicksilver was my favorite character in this series
boy was I dissapointed
Lil Saucy Joe totally, he was barely a factor in this movie at all
Yeah he got swipe away just like that. Wtf
IKR. That actor was the ONLY saving grace in that shit movie. Poor guy is probably thinking he got ripped off. It blows my mind that Sophie Turner got this role. She is not all that great, in fact, she isn't even all that GOOD. Quick Silver could do a very awesome solo film especially with Evan Peters playing him. Jen Lawrence needs to quit. She is so cringy to watch, so fake, I simply cannot stand looking at her mutilate her roles. I am yet to see her play anything I felt was good in the least.
@@volgawolfhounds741 i feel like quicksilver gets kinda screwed over in all his movies hes in. In apocalypse, no one cared when he got his leg broken, but everyone lost their shit when mystique was being choked.
I feel you
Me seeing thumbnail: “well, at least it’s not Last Stand.”
Watching review: “it appears I’m wrong.”
Yeah... that was a savage fucking statement.
When the bottom of the barrel is better than your movie... dear god what have you done!
Apparently It Was FAR FAR WORSE
He said it's worse than X-men Origins Wolverine so it must be a trainwreck.
Please god let Marvel repair the damage once they merge the X-men into the MCU.
for real princes lea obi wan moment...
Hurray we will have another blend movie, the 1123123423427th.
People like you piss me off. You act like x men 1, 2, first class, days do future past, deadpool, and Logan werent good. I love the mcu, but quit acting like rhe x men have beennin bad hands.
Yes, because everything Marvel does is great?
@John Doe Hmmm, the only thing that sucked huh?
Captain America: The First Avenger
Thor 2
Iron Man 3
Shit got real for me when you said you rather watch wolverine origins lol
When he said origins is better i was like YO CHILL MAN the movie can't be that bad🤣
Yeah that's blasphemy. Jeremy must be confused
@@CouchCit I'm just commenting in case you come back after watching it and edit your comment stating that Jeremy was in fact... not confused. ;)
@@xtremegamer96 😂😂😂😂😂 I'm in tears , yo chill lmfaooooo it must be
lol wolverine origins wasn't that bad!!
"Not as good as origins wolverine."
Peter Parker: Mr jahns, I don't feel so good.
probably becaue at least with originas its liek aBatman and robin thing where its entertaining to bash on with friends, Dark Phoneix from what I understand is a boring waste of time, not fun, not corny, not entertaining at all
Yeah Even though Wolverine origins was awful, I honestly had a blast watching it but what I’ve seen and heard dark Phoenix was just pure boring and I would rather watch something that I actually would like to watch rather then sleeping through a boring mess
I mean, origins wasn’t that bad. If we ignore or take away the shit that they call “Deadpool”, it’s not that bad of a movie. It still could’ve been better but i would say it was absolutely awful.
*DEADPOOL IS COMING IN FAR FROM HOME.*
No one asked
"Not as good as X-Men Origins: Wolverine"
DAMN, it's that bad? Okay, I'mma stay far away from it then.
I got tickets for tomorrow night lol
Xmen origins isnt even a bad film it just does deadpool dirty
@@KotorFan-zb1bo sorry for your loss
Lol Wolverine origins wasn't that bad!
@@La-familia-de-Fazio it's bad. At least the new movies had strong performances. Origins wolverine had scchriber and Jackman and nothing else.
When the random army guy dies and nightcrawler develops a strong emotional bond to him for no reason and then gets angry for like half a minute then starts killing people. The cringe.
*_Jeremy:_* "This movie does have some ggg--"
*_Me:_* "Oh, this is encouraging!"
*_Jeremy:_* "--garbage."
*_Me:_* "Welp."
Quinn Fowlie lol
The twist of the video 😂
This was my exact thought process also😂
This video had a better script than the movie
*EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED*
"And this movie actually does have so g...arbage."
Love it. =D
What annoys me is that EVERYONE with the exception of the 90s cartoon series, jumps straight into the "Dark Phoenix" story. Totally skipping over that when first possessed by the Phoenix entity, Jean was doing good things and was a guardian who saved planets. She was good. Then when her time came to leave Jean Grey's body, the Phoenix was like "Screw this, I like the feeling of being human. I'm staying and nobody better get in my way." That is the reason it worked in the comic and cartoon. Cause they had the balls to say "Watch a powerful good spirit lose control of itself and basically give into DARK part ALL humans have deep inside of them. Even the best versions of us.
that sounds interesting, i did not know anything about that except that dark phoenix trailers looked boring.
@@creativecookbook Dark Phoenix in the comic is an epic saga. It worth Marvel whole 10 years of Avengers Thanos saga. Not this whimper of a movie. She destroys planets, for fuck sake! Not just meddling around inside a train coach.
Fucking thank you! .... Yes, the Phoenix force is ultimately an arch of things going bad and an ultimate evil, but everyone jumps right to evil aaaand go! ... Theres no build up to what it turns into from what it had potential to be. I always looked at it like the symbiotes. Like, they were never really good, but they settled on behavior for the sake of the host, but then things go super bad when it gets rejected and essentially get its feelings hurt. .... No one wants to flesh out these great story archs for some reason. Its always, "alright, dark Phoenix, unstoppable destruction. Action!"
I totally agree idk why they don't go the multipart route introduce jean in one movie the Phoenix in 2&3 then dark Phoenix at the end of 3& all of 4. No need to rush it when you can milk it like the cash cow it is.
There’s a reason for it: that space stuff is way to convoluted just to explain the Phoenix Force
"Jessica Chastain and Friends" 😭😭😆😆!!
"Not better than X-men Origins: Wolverine"
Big Oof...
One25 more like ouch
@@cedricexquisite1999 More like. THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE!!
wtf does oof mean?
that saying a lot considering what they did to gambit and Deadpool in that movie.
I_Am_Dragoon no that’s not a lot of damage stfu
Jeremy Jahns is doing memes now. Okay.
No, but really, even worse than Origins? Damn.
My same reaction lol
Apocalypse and last stand are the worse one tbh
Logan is the only xmen movie of note and that was by being as removed as it could be in tone and content from the rest of the franchise as possible.
20 years and maybe an OK first movie and one solid entry. Damn.
1. Logan
2. Days of Future's Past
3. X2
4. X-Men: First Class
5. Don't care any more.
X1 is great and started the new generation of superhero movies
X2 is an underrated classic
Mustakrakish16 exactly
GeoffDaCow
I wouldn't exactly call it underrated. It has always been very well regarded.
@RushEffect X1 hasn’t aged too well is the only thing. Heaps of early 2000s cliches and the film making feels amateurish compared to modern superhero media
The train scene is actually pretty damn badass.
that's the only scene rest is a waste of time
@@whoknew2273 You don’t like movies that focus on PTSD and a character study on someone’s dark side?
Yeshua there are plenty of ptsd movies that do it better than this, even iron man 3 which is a big “ok” is wayyyy better than dark pheonix
@@JV-yq7dx Dark Phoenix explores a different aspect of PTSD than Iron Man 3.
@@agentofchaos7456 Did you just move the goalposts and why would Jean have PTSD?
Producers:So should we end with a banger or make the movie shit because Disney owns our company now?
Directors:Yes
Caught LtRt 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Reshoots and delays ruiend the movie, both fox and disney is to blame for this. What a shame, we got 4 bad superhero movies out of 4 this year, what a fucking shame.
Which is stupid because Disney owns Marvel and all those movies were great. Stupid move. 🙄😒
They should’ve learnt from the MCU the MCU continued to do the best they can to create good movies even when Disney took over. The same applies for Star Wars Disney took over and Star Wars was like: welp time to destroy the franchise.
Caught LtRt It's funny because the producer is the director.
Jeremy jahn is trending on Twitter atm. I see why
the death of film criticism
Bboi Black how?
@Justin Tada Because of this review? I'd be surprised if it were, his is hardly a controversial opinion.
cormano64 because everyone agrees with him on this review.
@@justintada3342 Ok, I guess. He sure deserves the visibility, so that's a plus.
"Perfect send-off for the X-Men movies."
Jeremy: *I'M ABOUT TO END THIS MAN'S WHOLE CAREER*
WTF
arin leoczko what career? What career?
@@ericalbright8371 Emma Watts, the woman who said Dark Phoenix would be the "perfect send-off for our X-Men team"
@@arinleoczko1250 Emma is a dude?
@@ericalbright8371 r/wooooosh
You can find the lack of motivation in the development of this movie just by looking at every character, their low costume design, and how fast the storyline goes. It was like watching a group project of rookie actors dressed in Forever 21 and Pull & Bear just trying to get their final project done lol
At least the effects were good, I guess 🤷♂️
Not true. This movie was a originally a two parter until the studio condensed it into one at the last minute and than cut around a half a hour of scenes. Also, the X-suits were suppose to bad, the characters in the movie even say they were bad and they only wear it for two scenes.
And this is why I watch Jeremy. Bad time successfully avoided
blumusdu Ill still watch, just gonna wait till its a 1080rip lol
Yep. Luckily I have an AMC stubs membership so this won't cost me anything. I'll just watch it for completion sake. It's the end of an awful Fox xmen era and I just wanna see it the shit show so that I'm well informed when I criticize it
blumusdu 🐑
....... and good times no alcohol required
What kind of idiot depends on another person to make choices for them? What a fucking idiot this "blumusdu" is
Knew it was bad as soon as I saw the thumbnail. 😂
Yep
He gave it awesometacular
As soon as you saw the trailer
@@niccolomachiavelli3907 lol
I knew it was bad since the first trailer
Damn! First GoT season 8 and now Dark Phoenix. Sophie Turner can't catch a break.
She's hot though, so she's got that going for her
I think she did a good job in both. It's not her fault.
Glad Endgame wasn't disappointing
Arnold Patterson Ramsay Bolton was breaking her off something serious not too long ago lol
Tia Aaron
That is also true.
Dude.... you said everything i said to my friends about this movie...
HOT GARBAGE
Nah fuck that nigga jojo. He makes no valid points. He a whole troll
@@damonsimmons6847 nah naah, who this fuck is diz boii?? Prolly 12
its bad... and the fact that Avengers exists makes it worse.
@@friendly1870 avengers?
Friendly yeah when you compare it to the MCU it is shit
I've been waiting for that observation, Jean DEFINITELY had the pheonix power in apocalypse, that's how she incinerated him...
It's pretty much standard treatment of continuity of the Fox X-Men franchise though.
I haven't seen the film but going off the trailer I was under the impression that Xavier put the mental blocks in her head to keep the Phoenix away and the energy shit in space she absorbed destroyed those blocks inside her
It’s as if they didn’t watch the movie somehow...
One thing I noticed is this film is set in 1992, like 30 years after First Class yet most of them look entirely the same. Raven and Hank will probably supposed to be in their mid-late 50s, Magneto and Charles in their 60s or even early 70s. They didn't even care lol
No they rebooted the time because of days of future past
@@reed2144
There is one thing you aren't getting, and its the fact in this series in this timeline. Erik, Raven and Charles were all born in the early 1930's since they were teens in 1944.
So let's say that they were born in 1932 and first class was set in 1962 meaning they were 30 in that you following?
Days of Future past was set in 1973 11 years after that which would make them 41 again without really ageing to much.
Then you have apocalypse set in 1983 and 10 years after dofp which would make them 51 years old in that movie with almost no signs of ageing.
Then you have this movie set in 1992 9 years after that and 30 years since first class. Meaning in this movie they are 60 years old.
Yet they still look like they are 30 years old which makes no sense and it's not natural and it makes the one in charge of this movie and writer of the series look like he does not care at all.
All they had to was subtle changes throughout the movie and series to make it look like they were ageing then it would have made more sense but they didnt do and given whose writing this crap it does not surprise me at all given his track record.
@@reed2144 First Class which was set in 1962 still happened in their timeline. They even address it in the film.
Yup. Sloppy writing, stupid ideas, and terribly spoiled actors with lawyers and agents.
@@Silenthitman44 I dont get the Jake Crawler, Jake McCoy and Jake Xavier joke can someone please explain
Damn he removed his jacket...Jeremy is really serious on this one
Perfect review. I agree 100% The icing on the cake was Cyclops putting up the plaque for The Jean Grey School. Eye rolling bad.
Jean was not the villain of the Dark Phoenix Saga. So many of his points are not valid.
@@readthisifyouloveitballsde4939 Yeah, He should stop shitting on this movie. X-men dark phoenix is one of the most underrated comic book movies. It was not meant as x-men universe ending, but as a begining of a new trilogy. Rip xmen(2000-2020). now they will let disney ruin it. The writing is way better than the entire mcu, and wtf is he shitting about the visual effects. He should go and watch Endgame and talk about shitty visual effects. This movie is way more cohesive then people say, and the ending is perfect.
@zyehov movie was hot trash tf, are you smoking better than the whole mcu?
*Before* REVIEW: OH MAN I HOPE IT WAS A GOOD MOVIE!!!
*After* REVIEW: *O O F*
You actually thought for a second that this could be good? :D
We'll look at Bright side, now we know why Gambit was never in movies.
Damn your instincts must be trash to have that kind of faith in an X-Men movie after that Deadpool thing was created
They kept wanting to do Dark Phoenix without the regular Phoenix Saga. This could have been a built over 3 or 4 films but shit writeing and no plan killed it.
Seriously.. is this a new thing?? I feel like writers are slashing through stories just to get it on screen and collect $$$. I just got done watching Chernobyl on HBO (5 episodes) but it felt incredible compared to the writing from GoT or DF. =( We best keep waiting for a good one @jedinightwing
The ironic thing is that this film feels like it was supposed to be part of a multi film arc, but we aren't going to get a follow up.
It was built over the coarse of two films. Apocalypse set the groundwork for Jean's phoenix powers and her duality. Just like X-2 did. The problem with this was how it contradicts the previous movie, because Jean had Phoenix powers before she absorbed the cosmic energy.
@@antona.8659 Yes and this film feels like it was supposed to set up another part of the story. What's really annoying is that the film reveals this continuity error halfway through as a twist. At first you just think that a Solar flare awakened something, but then they reveal that it was an alien force. It also makes Prof X covering up Jean accidentally killing her mother and injuring her father a lot less important, since he had no clue that she would eventually loose control of her powers due to a Phoenix force possessing her. He even did it on behalf of her father rather than out of ego. Prof X is supposed to unsympathetic in this film, but his decisions are justifiable.
Right? The phoenix thing could start appearing slightly in the first movie and then evolving, growing out of control. They should have planned it long term. but with DC it feels like it’s all about instant money.
DOFP was the best one. It blended the old with the new perfectly.
That young Xavier meeting old Xavier scene was a highlight of the franchise for me. Sooo good!
And should have ended there.
Joseph Moore but Logan though
@@kungfuenthusiasm6592 Logan and Future Past are the best ones.
That was the first x men movie I watched lol, I wasn’t into x men heavily at that moment. But it made me watch the other x men movies and learn about them
Movie was so much garbage,everybody had their powers on lite for most of it,being a Magneto fan was hugely disappointed,serious cyclops was standing on a car,we've seen him lift a sub,a stadium,also we've seen him get rid of someone who had no metal on them yet in this movie he's......ugh
Also he KNOWS Jean can control things yet walks right In head on to kill her,the helicopter chess match between the two was also cringe worthy to watch,Magneto floating over to Jean also looked terrible
The action scenes looked uninspired,there was nothing epic for Magneto to do and no epic quick silver scene,the original dark phoenix looked scary and powerful Sansa did not,Charles is also very powerful but is so weak in this movie....movie is just trash
Dude, Magneto was awesome in the train scene and wasn’t meant to be scary but resemble someone having a mental breakdown so she could be relatable.
Disney after Apocalypse: *IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO?!?*
Fox: *releases Dark Phoenix*
Us: You had to ask..
Wiizardii I understood that reference.
Ethan Sanguinet i understood that reference
I shouldn't asked 😥😭
🤣Nice!!
I liked apocalypse. Just could've been a little better.
Bro I’ve watched ur videos for years and this is the first one I’m commenting on. You had me cracking tf up 😂
The funniest thing is that Jean was never the villain of the Dark Phoenix Saga. So Jeremy's main point is silly.
The Dark Phoenix Saga needed to be built up and treated like Infinity War. It was never going to work as one movie.
No, it will never work if they make it. They are only good at solo movies like the two Deadpool and Wolverine movies (Origins doesn't count). Look at Fantastic Four, Ghostrider and Hulk, they were shit because they were made by money-grubbers who bought rights , not comic book lovers (Yes, I love the Incredible Hulk movie). The Punisher have also been shat on year after year until Marvel got their hands back on the IP. Probably the reason why Universal never made a She-Hulk or Namor the Submariner movie.. because they know it would suck as well
They didn't even do the normal Phoenix Saga
Most defo... this should be given the dignity and honor it deserves now that Marvel is in charge..
@@garrybartlett6853It'll be 2-5 years before they consider doing an X-Men movie
This was originally suppose to be the start of a new movie trilogy, but do to the buyout they had to scrap everything.
Can we all agree that the best scene in the entire movie was Dazzle signing in the woods at the party? Simply beautiful!
LOL, he even rated it lower than Fant4stic. That's bad
I thought it was better than Fantastic 4
Magneto is a beast 💪
Fan4stic was much worse than this
Because after some amount of years, your analytical skills will remain the same, right?
I think it's more of the expectation of both films. Like lets be honest here, nobody really had any expectations or thought that Fan4stic was gonna be good. But for the x-men franchise, you have at least some possible good past movies, as well as a really good story already there.
@@valhallacomes definitely right
Plot twist... End credit scene was actually a toilet flushing 😂😂
0:31 Sansa kinda forgot that she already had the Phoenix Force
Lmao
Arya: She's the smartest person I know
Also Arya after Dany wrecks Kingslanding: I know a killer when I see one
But the dark Phoenix certainly didn't forget about her
Jean: professor's dick doesn't work.
She was busy not being a little birdie anymore
@@jonsnow1342 That line was so stupid.
Magneto in apocalype is a power house !
Here ... Meh ...
LoL
1. Logan
2. XMen First Class
3. X2
4. Days of Future Past
5. X1
Swap X2 and First Class and I agree
First class is best for me
I agree with this list whole heartedly.
with you all the way with that one.
**References X3** "We don't do that here.."
I don't think Jeremy has shit on a movie this hard since Transformers 4... *I LOVE IT*
The first and last are the only 2 good transformers movies
Bumblebee was actually an amassing Transformers movie in my opinion. It had a good story line this time and I could tell who was what character along with who is fighting who.
@@vinaymunagapati7061 it was terrible in my opinion. But i respect your opinion.
cyril ang May ask why was it bad to you
@@jagtech490 there were many things i dislike such as the design, the action sequences. The story might be better than bay's in terms of execution but its a little too simplistic for my liking. But this is my opinion, you don't have to agree with mine. Feel free to disagree.
X-Men The Last Stand: I'm the worst X-Men movie of all time
Dark Phoenix: Hold my comic book...
You mean you prefer XMen origins over the last stand? wtf, i think you have a tumor in your brain 😂😂
*I'm about to ruin this mans career (or in this case enhance it)
apocalypse is the worst
Dark Phoenix is the worst of all. A complete disaster.
Haven't seen _Dark Phoenix_ , but I *KNOW* _X-Men Origins: Wolverine_ is far, far worse than _X-Men: The Last Stand_ is. At least _The Last Stand_ is enjoyable if you turn your brain off. _Origins_ is so bad it is *impossible* to turn your brain off.
The only redeeming factor of XMOW is the same one _Dragonball: Evolution_ has: at least it gave us _Deadpool_ (whereas D:E at least gave us _Dragonball_ fans the _Battle of Gods_ and _Resurrection 'F'_ movies, which in turn gave us the wonderful _Dragonball Super_ ).
When it comes to the pprequel/alternate time lime movies, I liked how you could see the beginnings of the great man Charles would be, and the flaws he had still yet to overcome.
The only problem is, after days of future past, they pretty much gave up on the "great man he will become" and instead focused far too heavily on his flaws. He doesn't make any progressions on improving mutant rights on screen, and therefore will never become the man he was in X men 3 who Magneto said had done more for mutants that pyro would ever know.
He just remains a deeply flawed and kind of useless idealist.
no apocalypse progressed his great man status... watch it again. by the end HE IS PROFESSOR X!
Why is it so hard to make a good X-Men Phoenix movie?
My personal favorite: Days of Future Past.
Because it requires a multiple movie arc. How the MCU could handle it is give the X Men a 6 movie arc. The Phoenix saga is 3 movies off the bat.
Jonathan Shaw they have no shits anymore if they weren’t bought off and apocalypse did even better they would’ve fr tried
Disney will do it better. We will have our good Dark Phoenix movie someday. Just not today.
Please tell me then how Charles comes back to life? I couldn't get it? He died in the last stand, ryt?
NATHAN TRYNER they’ll make a acceptable corny one but yeah ig
Savage. This universe ended with Logan for me tbh
Matthew Gilligan I think that’s what all the legit writers and producers thought too.
That movie was trash
@@TcoTheDragon what
@@TcoTheDragon no u
@@TcoTheDragon like your mom
Damn, X-Men 3 is better. That's saying a hell of a lot. 🤔
It says even more that X-Men Origins is no longer the worst X-Men movie.
He's 100% right. it is appalling!
@@psbox362 I think wolverine ruined Xmen. They made it all about him instead of the Xmen.
I thought X-Men 3 was by far one of the worst, especially after how good X2 was. Then we got the non-cgi "Juggernaut" flop in X3, along with all of its faults.
Now reviews say this movie is worse... I'm scared.I'm so scared.
@@goldenchild3686
That's because Wolverine was the bigger draw and easily the most popular character out of that group.
Its like they never seen the Saturday morning cartoon in the 90s🤔..
Just make that live action 😡
Facts, waaayyy better story, action, characters, everything basically.
YESSSSS BROOOOOOO
you know what they say, "you can only go down hill after your master piece", if you know what i mean.
This was based on the comic.
@@agentofchaos7456 I have seen the cartoon and read the Dark Phoneix saga comics - this is based on an extremely, extremely loose interpretation of the comics.
Last Stand: no set up, character development, consistency
* fox reboots to do better *
Dark Phoenix: Same Mistakes
Amigo Rigo well when u hire the exact same writer/director who fucked this movie up the first time to do the exact same storyline u end up with the same shit caliber movie. I’m still gonna watch just cuz it’s the last one but then I’m probably gonna sneak into MA to get some better enjoyment cuz I hear that movie’s really good.
It amazes me how Fox blew up its franchise of X-Men not once but twice. Apocalypse was the point where it self-destructed. Dark Phoenix is just the flaming wreckage crashing back to Earth.
Both were written (and Dark Phoenix also directed) by Simon Kinberg. What did you expect? I said it before: that guy’s the ultimate responsible for the decline of the XMen movie series and yet they kept him on board until the very end.
jason lewis I was talking about Simon Kinberg. That’s who Fox hired and put in charge of Last Stand as co-writer and co-director. A lot of what went wrong with that movie was because of the way he tried to reimagine everything and wrote unnecessary shit storylines with underdeveloped concepts and characters. And when everybody in the world told him it was a shit movie he actually stood by it unapologetic about anything he did. So I don’t understand why Fox decided to hire this man to do literally the exact same movie he already royally fucked up. They couldn’t have honestly thought he was gonna do better this time.
jason lewis I’ll be honest when i saw Last Stand I thought it was awesome, forgive me I was 8. It wasn’t til I got older that I finally saw it for what it was. As for Apocalypse, the first time I saw that I actually thought it was really solid. It wasn’t til my second time that I saw all the holes. However to me they could never make a movie as bad as X-men origins wolverine. Even as an 11 yr old seeing this for the first time in theatre, even then I thought that movie was absolutely garbage.
X-MEN movie ended with LOGAN back in 2017. 😑🤷🏽♂️
So basically...everybody stilled died.
That and days of the future past
First Class, Days of Future Past, Deadpool and Logan were all highlights of the saga being rejuvenated, then it went to shit
And Deadpool 2 was the epilogue to end with
Stunnaful Photos Agreed.
Look at the thumbnail yep Jeremy Jahns is going to give this movie dogshit.
Edit.
After watching this video I was right.
It's a complete trainwreck. No big surprise.
Emoji movie or Xmen: Dark Phoenix?
Jeremy rarely shows bad expression in the thumbnail, even with movies he doesn't like. Yup, he hates this movie a lot.
@@crowmaster9652 Xmen: Dark Phoenix
@@LightYagami583 The worst of the worst. Enough said.
I honestly felt really bad for Simon Kinberg, who wrote and directed the movie. Not only was this his directorial debut but he was given another chance to do the Dark Phoenix storyline and he even planned to make a trilogy around it.
But due to the Disney buyout, Fox grew impatient, stepped in and messed the film up even worse than the first time.
It was planned to be a two movies but Fox made it into one in late production. Disney had no hand in it.
I wouldn’t say they messed it up even more. This movie actually had a clear vision.
Naughty Avatar I know. What I meant by “the first time” was actually The Last Stand which I had finally watched recently. And WOOOWWWWW, its really bad. So yeah already, this movie is better than The Last Stand. And I also think Fox grew impatient due to Avengers Endgame and I also read somewhere that they reshot the third act due to it being too similar to Captain Marvel.
Edit: I also found out that Chris Claremont, who wrote the original comic praised this adaptation.
Yeah, The Last Stand is all over the place. Jeremy is out of his mind for thinking this is all over the place with its many subplots but that movie isn’t. I’ve realized that Jeremy’s main criticism of the movie is that it doesn’t focus on fighting a villain. This movie was made to be about Jean dealing with her childhood trauma resurfacing as an adults, which is a relatable story.
Naughty Avatar I agree to that as well. Just saw the movie and I honestly think it’s WAY BETTER than the critics were suggesting. Apart from the obviously bad “X-Women” scene, everything else held up for me and it was MILES better than Apocalypse, which might have been Bryan Singer’s fault since he co-wrote the story and the last time he did that, we got Superman Returns. Also, I just found out that Kinberg’s screenplay in The Last Stand was rewritten by Zak Penn (Ready Player One) due to Fox disliking it for being “too dark”. Anyways, I’m hoping Feige (who actually was the one who ordered the reshoots) doesn’t ruin the MCU versions.
The thumbnail doesn't look reassuring.
Its not
That’s why I love his thumbnails they always let you know his opinion without having to watch the review if you don’t have time.
Game of Thrones: "We've got the most disappointing finale ever!"
Dark Pheonix: "Hold my beer."
And they both have Sophie turner 😂😂
@@ratan4692 Poor Sophie...
The Walking Dead Comics: "Wait, we want to join!"
@@Butterflier00 I really hope she gets good roles from now on that both of the series ended
@jason lewis She worked very hard for this movie how dare you criticise it
"X-Men characters doing shit"
Yup,
that about sums the movie Up lol
I dont remember the old man and fat asian kid using super powers
I liked for the spawn picture
@@DbackChampion Mk11!
@@couchtime3739 I'm so excited
More like X-Men characters not doing jack shit!
When recounting the X-Men movies, Jeremy forgot The Wolverine (2013)
Jeremy: Uploads at 1 am
Me: Aw shit, here we go again.
Lol it's at 10 pm for me
10pm Bro!
West coast baby!
It’s twelve for me man
6 am
Thank God the nightmares over..
Thanks for Logan though! 🙃
Logan is the only good X men movie
Logan was a horrible movie. I love wolverine and that’s the main reason why I hate it. They destroyed the profesors character arc and it’s just soo stupid the way they put in the cursing out of nowhere. That’s what idiots nowadays like, rated r. The story was horrible and all over the place . Very slow sloppy random movie
Johnny Garcia Damn, well you’re in the minority.
Septic I’ve noticed that. I get hate for that but me and my wife felt the same after we saw. Both of us can’t stand cursing and love x men
@@johnnygarcia7269 It's a Rated R movie, didn't you expect cursing?
Jeremy destroyed it! WORSE THAN X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE?????
DAMN!!!!
is! HAYl3yy!!!!!! It's his opinion
@@ishayl3y430 What
I literally couldn't watch this movie past the 40 minute mark, I just...I just...couldn't and I'm usually not very hard to please when it comes to movies, but this was just horrendous
IT was so boring to me... I've tried watching it 3 time, and every time I fell asleep, and I've never made it to the 1 hour mark.
lol the first half was entertaining.
My expectations for this dropped immensely by just seeing the thumbnail
Same, i had high expectation for this one since it' s the last one
Thank you, when u said she got the Phoenix yet she had it already! watching this movie got me so confused 🤷🏻♀️
Same here.
In the comics the Phoenix really is an entity from Space and, she encounter Grey like that. But seems like the writers didn't saw that in Apocalypse they already gave the Phoenix to Jean and seems like they just didn't care to make that BIG mistake. They just wanted to calm the comics fans by showing that they knew what the Phoenix is and that they indeed looked the comics. But by doing that I had the impression that they just mocked the comics fans AND the people who had at least watched Apocalypse.... so yes this incoherent in so many levels and I think that the writers just didn't cared.....
They fucked up. Not even the Dazzler cameo satisfied me.
@Absolutely nothing on my channel "Get woke, go broke." I am sorry but I don't get that. Why is the movie woke?
Absolutely nothing on my channel explain exactly with links who you are blaming for this movie fucking sucking. This isn’t Star Wars. It’s Fox.
I rented Batman vs TMNT instead of watching this... I believe that I made the right choice.
Dragon Sword. Bro Batman vs TMNT was ten times better the dark Phoenix. Is was a waist of of a movie day.
@@reggiemwidgeoniii6002 man was the stand off between Xavier and Magneto awful!shit action for shit action sake!the train sequence was mediocre at best!so fun to hear James Mccavoy adopting Patrick Stewarts speech pattern!
You did 👍
Yup
I envy you.
Buffy The Vampire Slayer did the Dark Phoenix better than...Dark Phoenix 🤦♂️
The cast and crew said in the behind the scenes features that they didn’t want Jean to be a villain. They wanted her to represent people who suffer from metal illnesses and made this a psychological thriller. Hence why it was going to be released in the fall but Fox forced it into the summer so Alita could get the fall date and than started marking Dark Phoenix as this high stakes event films when it was never made to be.
Both of that stuff was developed in X-Men: Apocalypse. She’s scared little girl who is afraid of her own power and her greatest fear is that she will hurt people someday.
Also, google “Dark Phoenix is an Eye-Opening Lesson in What PTSD is Like For Women, and Why That Matters“.
This is an adaptation and thus has to stand on its own. The purple cosmic power in the movie is never once referred to as the “Phoenix Force” in the movie nor it did not look like a Phoenix. It’s like saying the “Robin” in The Dark Knight Rises is Dick Grayson.
We were going to get that back when the movie was planned as a two parter but the studio made it into one film in late pre-production.
Oh the filmmakers had the guts to use the Shi’ar. Jessica Chastain had originally signed up to play Lilandra when the story was planned to be a two parter. However, once the studio had made it into one film Kinberg had to cut things out so to not lose focus on Jean.
The M’Kraan Crystal was not in Dark Phoenix. That was he Phoenix Saga. They are two separate storylines.
Jean had more screen time than Wolverine in each of the X-Men films that were not Wolverine solos. You can look he screen time. So she wasn’t a plot device but the protagonist and had a hero’s journey arc. Everyone else except Xavier had very little screen time.
This is why you are my favorite & most honest reviewer out there! Thank you!
No he is but that Godzilla one he did was pretty bad but he never seen Godzilla before so i give him that
HONEST!?!?!? watch the movie and tell me JEREMY SHIT-MOUTH JAHN'S comment on Nightcrawler killing like a psychotic murderer (implying he was killing everyone when he was just killing the aliens to save the soldiers) was pure bullshit. THIS GUY EXAGERRATES WAY TOO MUCH FOR ATTENTION!