The movie dark Phoenix doesn't make me understand the hype about the story, Jean grey, and Scott Summers. I was sold in the beginning and train scene though that wasn't enough. I oddly wanted more Jean Grey from this film than anything else. Not Magneto or the aliens.
The film felt really dry. There was no excitement or genuine emotion. Also, Charles, despite what everyone else was saying, made sense and his actions were reasonable.
I mean anyone with any real understanding of how humans work can understand the hypocrisy in knowing what should be done vs the difficulty in doing it.
Nathaniel Foga Maybe not having the writer direct the film as well would’ve helped a lot more. Keep in mind that this is also his first directorial debut.
nothing would helped, because of Disney. The X-men universe was about to be rebooted few years ago. but because of Disney buyout, writer whoever took the job has to rush end the series.
It still could've been the perfect end to the new timeline. The old timeline ended with the Sentinels killing literally everyone, the culmination of Magneto's vision of a war between mutants and humans. The mutants lose. Logan could be the culmination of Xavier's vision. The mutants still ended up being largely destroyed but there's still hope for them...in Canada.
Old Fox xmen was better than new Fox xmen so I can totally take a shitty series for that Logan movie, was one of the few saving graces for that set of films
The Dingwall No to mention, at the end of the film Hank acts like Raven loved being a part of the X-men. Even though she made it abundantly clear that she hated the X-men, had enough of Charles’ crap and, wanted to move on from the team and school with him.
To be honest I wish they ended at Logan. It would be symbolic and very cool in terms of plot. The perfect end to the franchise. But now this franchise ends like this... Ridiculous and empty.
I would’ve ended at Days of Future Past. A happy and optimistic ending is something the X-Men honestly deserve after they helped kick off the new wave of comic book movies.
@@LMNtaLXicon I thought it was a Winter Soldier reference to when Fury said maybe they could save what was left of the Helicarriers & salvage it but Cap was pretty much like nah, S.H.I.E.L.D. dies too.
This criticism is broadly applicable to almost every major new release. Movies now feature star-studded casts playing characters that could have been done by an unknown, and have virtually no substance. The cast isn't there to deliver the performance well, it's there to put asses in the seats.
That's absolutely ridiculous. Stop talking rubbish. One line from a trailer doesn't turn a below average film into a 10/10. I think you're just parroting some talking point you've seen elsewhere. I don't think you'd know an original idea if it fell on your head.
I think when people say they should be older i think it has more to do with the passage of time: First Class - 60's Days of Future Past - 70s Apocalypse - 80s Dark Phoenix - 90's (from what I hear) Seriously 30 years have passed but no one has really aged
First Class already pointed out that Mystique's shapeshifting abilities make her age slower than any normal person. Beast inherited her de-aging ability as a result of using her DNA to create a cure for himself (only, it turned him into a blue-furry monster instead). The serum Charles used to walk again had side effects like rapid aging and premature hair loss. It's why he already looks like Patrick Stewart in the beginning of X3: The Last Stand and X-men Origins: Wolverine but when he stopped using the serum in Days of Future Past, he doesn't suffer its side effects anymore so he remains looking like James McAvoy in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. Finally, in the comic books, Magneto used the earth's magnetic fields to regenerate his body which is probably why he hasn't aged from First Class to Dark Phoenix.
the only one that makes sense out all of that is mystique and maybe beast although the ending to days of future past shoots that theory in the foot. Honestly Fox should have let the cast age naturally and have these movies stay in the 70's
@ Age-proof? Both Professor X and Magneto were already old men when they meet Jean Grey (who was a little girl) at the beginning of X3. Meanwhile, Wolverine lost his age-proof abilities in Logan and both Angel and Jubilee (in Apocalypse) are exactly the same age as they were in the original trilogy.
I agree with you 100% because honestly any superhero film falls flat when the motive of the villain is murky and the audience isn't connected to the character enough.
Yes, but that's not an excuse, that's a big problem of the film. And honestly, the story has been so chaotic, I can't get attached to any of these characters anymore. You can't just say: "Hey, honestly, this film would be good if you ignore all the things it fails at."
Previously (Apocalypse spoilers)... Professor X: "Unleash your power, Jean let go!" *Phoenix flame wings erupt from Jean, suddenly she has unstoppable disintegrating powers* Jean: *Screams incoherently* *Jean's flames literally outstretch into a giant flaming phoenix as her pupils become slits* Apocalypse: "All... is revealed" *Apocalypse is atomized by the phoenix* Next movie: "Jean gets her phoenix powers now, in space! She definitely did not have them before. We didn't think you would actually watch two of these shite movies so this is really your fault." Can't wait for the pitch meeting on this.
Jean always had Phoenix powers (even in the original trilogy). This time, the solar radiation only enhanced it to the point where she couldn't control her powers.
@@depressedkermit5337 I thought her name was just phoenix . or was their always the dark part of her name there, and I just didn't notice ? . I'm confused .
@@depressedkermit5337 oh yeah, I remember hearing about that a long time ago, but I dont remmeber what video title it was . I think this was way before we even knew that dark Phoenix was in the making.
This movie would have had more impact if Magneto had acknowledged that Quicksilver is his son, and Mystique had told Kurt that she was his mom before she died. Seriously, those two plotpoints could have raised this movie a few notches.
MR FREEZE-98 Definitely losing interest real quick with Disney going full steam ahead with the SJW agenda, but I wouldn’t say that nobody cares. I mean, some people are cool with gender-swapping and pandering to whoever complains the most.
@@agentofchaos7456 I'm gonna be honest. I remember nothing from this movie, I haven't watched it since it released and I have no idea what it was about.
@@maeve0301 You know how WandaVision was a psychodrama about trauma & the dangers of suppressing it? The movie was basically proto-WandaVision. The teaser even promoted it premise to be centered around Jean’s trauma. But people misread it as Jean being possessed.
@@agentofchaos7456 I haven't watched Marvel stuff since like 2019. I know next to nothing about WandaVision or anything Marvel released after Far From Home
Saw it in my special screening, was wondering what the hell was going on, co workers even sleeping during it. Their was a few things I liked, but could have done better. My managers thought it was better then what critics were giving it, but still a few problems.
Zero_OR 5 it was kind of obvious aLot of stuff was either cut or re written out it seemed like Selene and braids guy were supposed to be psylocke and angel but I guess those actors dropped or something...I still don’t think it’s as bad as people say it just drags in the middle...and kind of cgi flopped to a conclusion towards the end
@@CAKECO. I mean that's to be expected, a lot of things are cut out in the finished product. Just a lot of underwhelming things happened. Aren't you and Jolyne supposed to be breaking out of prison soon?
Ryan Stewart I was just guessing about angel but Olivia munn was originally signed on for dark Phoenix when it was a two part movie however I think she dropped out when the films got consolidated into a single one
Ryan Stewart the actress for jubilee had a multi film contract with the studio and still dropped out of dark Phoenix so it’s not hard to believe that Olivia munn, who confirmed herself she had plans to return, either was cut out of the final script during pre production or decided to drop out of the film of her own volition
I feel like this is the exact mirror image of Ryan Reynolds with Deadpool. You've got a guy, clearly passionate about a property who was part of a botched execution on the first attempt (Last Stand for him, Origins: Wolverine for Ryan) and was given another chance to do it right. When you're this motivated its probably really hard to tell whether you'll be making the next Deadpool or the next Dark Phoenix.
Now Atleast no-one will over expect from MCU . Because whatever they will do still be better ( Thanks for likes And I know DC fan will burn + #jealous )
@@analystzorncasteel3047 That is your opinion. I am very interested in where they're going next and while not all new MCU movies are good, they are getting better, learning from their mistakes and becoming better.
Well it's not my opinion they're gonna bring SJW politics into every film, about ... They are. It can be discussed if that's good, or bad. .. I don't like it.
@@analystzorncasteel3047 What do you mean? The only movie with an SJW agenda is Captain Marvel and she's definitely not going to be in every movie. If you're just talking about diversity in general, that is really stupid because diversity is not the same thing as an SJW agenda. It's an SJW agenda when the only purpose of that movie is to serve an SJW agenda and that doesn't seem to be happening outside of Captain Marvel.
Several movies coming out will carry agenda ... They have said it. Captain Marvel (and now Dark Phoenix) was just the beginning. For me - no thanks. I'm glad to have had 11 years of {mostly} great movies.
The title is my entire feelings towards the movie. It had the bones and the concepts to be greater. But it seemed like someone just gave up and tried to get done with it as soon as possible.
Better drama if the Phoenix was in overdrive self preservation mode/mood, it attacked anyone who tried to come near, because the aliens after it could possess anyone. Magneto hunting Phoenix because it endangers the other mutants into becoming feared once again. The X-men trying to fight of Humans trying to hurt jean. The roles have flipped. And Jean is both the victim and perpetrator. None of that repressed memory.
I agree with most things you said but I feel that they don't give enough depth to everything, they adress certain aspects that are very interesting but they barely scratch the surface of those aspects.
I actually found Jean's ability to fight the influence of the phoenix inspiring, because I thought of the phoenix like the blind anger I used to have as a teen that I felt wasn't really "me".
What Dark Phenoix is missing: People who care The MCU The Backing of Marvel Comics for years Not being a new and compelling take on the X-Men for a new generation Fan support Any kind of hype The fulfillment of sequal promises And Finally.... Wolverine my boi
@fake channel My comment is ment to be sarcastic, because while these are stupid problems, they are perceived issues for better or worse. The sequel thing is actually important when it comes to this movie. All the marketing was talking about how it's a new take, it's a different take, and sets up these characters. It makes it seem like it is the first in a new series. This is a turn off for a lot of people. Personally, I have limited time and funds, so why spend money on a dead/dying movie franchise? It also does not help that there is no place to stream these movies or catch up on them. I would take my movie buddy (my wife) but because it is the last in a long line of movies she would rather not go. (Also, the X-Men and FF have been shafted in the current Marvel comics continuity, so it just felt like why bother seeing movies that have no care put into them by their parent company)
I sometimes forget you havent got a million+ subs yet. I'm so surprised when I realise I can leave a comment without it getting drowned among the other comments
Love your comparison to Bufffy, especially given that it's mentioned at one point that Willow has "gone Dark Phoenix" Also nice to watch a balanced and considered view point of Dark Phoenix.
For me, a LOT of it is casting. Other than the McEvoy and Fassbender , NO ONE ELSE in this cast was never even REMOTELY CONVINCING in their roles. Casting is SO important, especially for this genre. Even though you’ve had many different interpretations of these characters over the years in the comics, it takes a lot more than simply shaving your head into a Mohawk to play Storm, or wearing a (really bad) wig and blue body paint to play nightcrawler. Jennifer Lawrence decided after playing Mystique in exactly ONE MOVIE that she was far too big a movie star to even BE a part of this franchise, and she’s made NO attempt to hide it. She’s been low key dissing the franchise and making almost no attempt to hide the fact that she hates being in the makeup chair for hours and was only in these movies because she’s under contract. Word gets around
The core problem with both adaptations is that it isn't just the "Dark Phoenix" saga; it's "THE PHOENIX" saga. Jean Gray didn't get this cosmic power and then immediately become a super villain. It originally appeared to have no negative consequences: she survived what should have been something that killed her, got a TREMENDOUS power boost from it, and has enough self-awareness to keep herself in check so her new power doesn't run rampant. That's why when she DOES succumb to the Dark Phoenix, it hits that much harder. There was time to develop all the GOOD she was capable of with the Phoenix Force under her control. She original gives in to the Phoenix's full power because she was desperate to save Cyclops. She only had good intentions, but that choice ended up killing billions when Dark Phoenix took over her mind. It was seeing such a good character given great power to do great things, and then seeing her fall so hard, so fast, that made the Phoenix Saga what it is today. It's NOT something you can do without taking time to build up to that fall, without taking time to develop an attachment to Jean and the relationships she has, and that's why Dark Phoenix was a flawed premise for a movie from the start. Sophie Turner is a good actress, and she can be a great Jean Grey, but we've only had two movies with her version of Jean. You can't pull the trigger on Dark Phoenix with only ONE movie under your belt.
What you were saying about not showing Jean enjoying her new powers reminds me of how similar this movie feels, in some respects, to Spider-Man 3 and Peter's enjoyment of the venom symbioye
The problem is that the movies two times in a row omitted the "Phoenix" Saga. You know, when Jean Grey first got the Phoenix force? She didn't go mad with power immediately. I get a feeling writers keep glossing over that.
My favorite thing Ive never seen them do with Prof X is show his insane amount of control over his xmens lives, like every aspect he can edit or remove from their minds, make them different people, rewrite them "for the better" would love more of that
Well, Infinity War had 18 movies worth of build-up, competent writers and directors, a bigger budget, no last-minute changes, characters that we care about (compared to x-men, where there are like 4 characters people care about and the rest are just there) and actual love and passion put into it.
It deserves all the Hate they get, nothing like the comics, and it had no Claremont or John Byrne feeling to it, simply a lie to make us enjoy it, not one X-men did I ever go see from FOX and I never will, they need to just give back all the of marvels characters in order for me to spend money but please no more FOX BULLSHIT, great review and keep it up
I will say this, I love where beast ended up at the end of this film. Without spoiling I really want to see another adaptation of the X-Men even in the comics do something with him in that position.
Ive not seen many people mention that the action was actually decent to pretty good. It felt grounded, was easy to follow, used everyones powers really well and actually gave Charles his best action scene to date imo. Like he played a pivotal role in that fight as a support character and worked around the obstacle of another telepath in a believable way.
I WANT TO SEE PHOENIX BLOW UP A PLANET which makes jean realize how out of her hands this really is and decides to take care of it herself before it happens again
Excellent episode Captain Midnight! Perhaps someday, will we get to see Captain Midday? Captain Midnight would actually be your dark side I guess, since it's dark at night. Props to you then, for your villainous side not being all that villainous 🙂
Your problems with Jean in this story, I feel, would actually work out better if they went with the 'revised' version of the Phoenix saga. Where the Phoenix Force absorbed her memories, emotions, and thought patterns unintentionally as she was dying. But then, I don't see Fox leaving the questions that were asked in the 'revised' version open. What makes a person who they are? If they have a radical shift in how they think and act, are they the same person? Is it the physical body that we're attached to? I'll be honest, I like that version more than the original. The original was basically 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely', while the 'revised' version asked of the reader 'What makes us, us?'. Despite the horrible acts and there being an argument that this wasn't Jean, she remembered everything involving Scott, and was willing to sacrifice herself for the good of others.
The story was a little off but the fight sequences in this movie were amazing. Not saying that this movie is better than Captain Marvel, but I felt WAY more satisfied leaving the theater watching this than I did with that movie.
It is my belief that, like myself, (a fan of the X-men since the ‘80’s,) many people were never true fans of the convoluted Phoenix saga. That helped it flop, since like me, folks didn’t want to pay to see it because of that reason. Then it got bad reviews, so Marvel and X-men fans didn’t bother. Just a thought.
Thank you for this video. I came out of the cinema from this movie, both very confused as to what was missing, and unsure as to why the movie received such bad reviews. Things like Magneto's shaky motivation and the MacGuffin of a cosmic power seem much clearer now.
Unlike the dread people had about it, the movie had its highlights. The problem however, imo, is twofold: There were no surprises, the "surprise" of Xavier's mind trick was already strongly alluded to and didn't feel strong enough to send Jean Grey into madness (thus forcing Sophie Turner to overact for the part in order to sell the "madness"). Bad build up. The build up to the scene with Jean's father seemed extremely lackluster. I think the father having a more frightened response to his daughter's arrival would have been more appropriate. All we saw was a bad father, we didn't see the monster that the father thought he saw. The aliens felt more like a plot device than a character, too. I also agree that Jean Grey should have made the choice at the beginning, not Xavier.
SPOILERS: Some things that frustrated me were how the trailer had one thing and the movie had another. I know it was not to "spoil" the surprise, but it created cheap suspense. For example, when Jean's in the rain in the trailer she asks "Why did you make me do that?" when in the movie she asks "Why did I do that?" and then the whole face grabbing thing with some random dude...Why not HAVE her go for Scott's face and at the end she changes her mind and gives into her humanity? This movie had potential but it felt like a Fantastic 4 movie (circa 2000s). I agree, there was no grandness. Also, I LOVE Jean but we barely got to know her. There's no payoff to make her Phoenix this early. We don't care about her. She was in Apocalypse for like....15 minutes at the most. We needed at least another movie before they did this. All that said, it was okay. I don't think it deserves ALL the hate but it's not as bad as X-Men Apocalypse.
I kinda wonder, is it fair to say that maybe the Phoenix saga maybe doesn't hold up and is a outdated storyline? I am not entirely familiar with the phoenix saga so I wouldn't know, but I do have to wonder if the Phoenix saga is all that great when there has never been a successful adaption of the Phoenix saga in any medium as far as I can tell. I have to wonder, is it that no one gets the phoenix saga or is it maybe because the phoenix saga doesn't hold up? Why do people try to make so many changes to the phoenix saga to begin with? I kinda suspect that it might be dated in some horrible way and every Phoenix saga adaption tries to fix it and fails.
What made me hate this film the most out of all X-Men films is it's laziness. No one wanted to be there and do it. Acting, directing but most of all writing failed. I can't remember a single thing I liked about it, just that things were happening and I couldn't care less, because no one did.
What did you think of Dark Phoenix?
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What do I think? I didn't go see it, and I don't want to see it.
The movie dark Phoenix doesn't make me understand the hype about the story, Jean grey, and Scott Summers. I was sold in the beginning and train scene though that wasn't enough. I oddly wanted more Jean Grey from this film than anything else. Not Magneto or the aliens.
The film felt really dry. There was no excitement or genuine emotion. Also, Charles, despite what everyone else was saying, made sense and his actions were reasonable.
Oh, and Days of Futures Past and/Logan were the true endings for the franchise.
Magneto: Revenge doesn't make the pain go away.
Magneto 5 minutes later: Mystique died? I gotta kill the murderer right f*cking now!
I mean somethings are easier said than done..
Lmaoo
Probably trying to eradicate the threat as well.
It doesn't make the pain go away... But it helps.
I mean anyone with any real understanding of how humans work can understand the hypocrisy in knowing what should be done vs the difficulty in doing it.
Maybe not getting the same writer as last stand would've helped
Nathaniel Foga Maybe not having the writer direct the film as well would’ve helped a lot more. Keep in mind that this is also his first directorial debut.
Why did they have the same writer?
@@bravoalley228 cause he's a long-time producer lmao
I think they figured that Last Stand was as good as possible given the studio demands and gave him another shot
nothing would helped, because of Disney. The X-men universe was about to be rebooted few years ago. but because of Disney buyout, writer whoever took the job has to rush end the series.
Days of Future Past would have been a perfect ending to the entire franchise. But then, we wouldn't have gotten Logan, so....
It still could've been the perfect end to the new timeline. The old timeline ended with the Sentinels killing literally everyone, the culmination of Magneto's vision of a war between mutants and humans. The mutants lose. Logan could be the culmination of Xavier's vision. The mutants still ended up being largely destroyed but there's still hope for them...in Canada.
DOFP had too many loose ends.
I think that Logan would have been the best end
Old Fox xmen was better than new Fox xmen so I can totally take a shitty series for that Logan movie, was one of the few saving graces for that set of films
We didn’t really need Logan tho tbh
Because the motivation of the film is Mystique's death instead of the X-Men's love for Jean
The Dingwall No to mention, at the end of the film Hank acts like Raven loved being a part of the X-men.
Even though she made it abundantly clear that she hated the X-men, had enough of Charles’ crap and, wanted to move on from the team and school with him.
So true
Raven is an ungrateful brat towards Charles- forget her.
@@rosesske2551 At the end of X-men Apocalypse she should have left the mansion with Magneto
To be honest I wish they ended at Logan.
It would be symbolic and very cool in terms of plot.
The perfect end to the franchise. But now this franchise ends like this...
Ridiculous and empty.
And that's why I believe in personal canon
Lambert not if you don’t watch it 😉
Yeah
technically it does still end at Logan, no?
I would’ve ended at Days of Future Past. A happy and optimistic ending is something the X-Men honestly deserve after they helped kick off the new wave of comic book movies.
X-Men: Fox, what do we do?
Fox: *I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO!*
It's funny that they don't have that line in the movie lol
Marvel: Don't worry X-Men we got you
cut this scene out...thats what editors didQ!!!!
"I dunt wont it!" -K Feige
Me: Dark Phoenix rules!!! Great flick.
Fox: Maybe we can save it? Maybe we can salvage something?
Fiege: *The Franchise Dies....*
TheFallofTheEleventh If it dies, it dies.
Are you his boss? I think not.
Is that a reference?
@@LMNtaLXicon I thought it was a Winter Soldier reference to when Fury said maybe they could save what was left of the Helicarriers & salvage it but Cap was pretty much like nah, S.H.I.E.L.D. dies too.
Do you realize disney meddling fucked up this movie and even Chris Claremont out of all people confirmed it, right?
"If you're going to shell out for Jessica Chastain, then at least give her something to play." So true.
This criticism is broadly applicable to almost every major new release. Movies now feature star-studded casts playing characters that could have been done by an unknown, and have virtually no substance. The cast isn't there to deliver the performance well, it's there to put asses in the seats.
She had originally signed up to play Lilandra.
For starters, they should have kept Charles' "IDONTKNOWWHATTODO" in the movie, that line alone would have made it an instant 10/10
#ReleaseTheIDontKnowWhatToDoCut
That's absolutely ridiculous. Stop talking rubbish. One line from a trailer doesn't turn a below average film into a 10/10. I think you're just parroting some talking point you've seen elsewhere. I don't think you'd know an original idea if it fell on your head.
@@Jayfive276 I honestly can't tell if you're joking or if you are physically incapable of recognizing humor.
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Captain Midnight grew up as a Phoenix
I think when people say they should be older i think it has more to do with the passage of time:
First Class - 60's
Days of Future Past - 70s
Apocalypse - 80s
Dark Phoenix - 90's (from what I hear)
Seriously 30 years have passed but no one has really aged
Yeah, dont tell me they have mutant called Botox.
Hey now, no spoilers
:)P
First Class already pointed out that Mystique's shapeshifting abilities make her age slower than any normal person.
Beast inherited her de-aging ability as a result of using her DNA to create a cure for himself (only, it turned him into a blue-furry monster instead).
The serum Charles used to walk again had side effects like rapid aging and premature hair loss. It's why he already looks like Patrick Stewart in the beginning of X3: The Last Stand and X-men Origins: Wolverine but when he stopped using the serum in Days of Future Past, he doesn't suffer its side effects anymore so he remains looking like James McAvoy in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.
Finally, in the comic books, Magneto used the earth's magnetic fields to regenerate his body which is probably why he hasn't aged from First Class to Dark Phoenix.
the only one that makes sense out all of that is mystique and maybe beast although the ending to days of future past shoots that theory in the foot.
Honestly Fox should have let the cast age naturally and have these movies stay in the 70's
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Age-proof? Both Professor X and Magneto were already old men when they meet Jean Grey (who was a little girl) at the beginning of X3. Meanwhile, Wolverine lost his age-proof abilities in Logan and both Angel and Jubilee (in Apocalypse) are exactly the same age as they were in the original trilogy.
Well Jean kind of forgot that she had the phoenix force in Apocalypse
Well Raven acted like she didn’t almost cause the apocalypse 2 movies ago.
That wasn’t the Phoenix Force, that was stated to be telekinetic energy from her psychic powers. She has had it since X2.
@Kurt E. Clothier Are you saying that the filmmakers have been lying for 16 years? And in the comics it was her mutant power until all the retcons.
@Greg Elchert ZING!!!! HEY-0 LOL
Ikr
I agree with you 100% because honestly any superhero film falls flat when the motive of the villain is murky and the audience isn't connected to the character enough.
Yes, but that's not an excuse, that's a big problem of the film. And honestly, the story has been so chaotic, I can't get attached to any of these characters anymore. You can't just say: "Hey, honestly, this film would be good if you ignore all the things it fails at."
Drace90 Try reading William’s comment again. You basically repeated his point.
Well Dark Phoenix has one big achievement under its belt.... it finally got released
Now we'll see if New Mutants ever does
Lol yes! ... That is one way to look at it.
New mutants is now in cinemas
Previously (Apocalypse spoilers)...
Professor X: "Unleash your power, Jean let go!"
*Phoenix flame wings erupt from Jean, suddenly she has unstoppable disintegrating powers*
Jean: *Screams incoherently*
*Jean's flames literally outstretch into a giant flaming phoenix as her pupils become slits*
Apocalypse: "All... is revealed"
*Apocalypse is atomized by the phoenix*
Next movie: "Jean gets her phoenix powers now, in space! She definitely did not have them before. We didn't think you would actually watch two of these shite movies so this is really your fault."
Can't wait for the pitch meeting on this.
Fox has proven to be efficient in messing with the timeline, and giving a $h!t about previous movies.
Actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Jean always had Phoenix powers (even in the original trilogy). This time, the solar radiation only enhanced it to the point where she couldn't control her powers.
There are no such thing as “Phoenix powers”.
What new abilities? It was stated that her powers were enhanced. Nothing about getting new ones. That is neither stated or shown.
Honestly l feel like xmen dofp and logan should have ended fox xmenverse.
Dofp to end the xmen movies and logan to end everything
*The comics did it better
Yeah the entirety of the Fox-Men in a nutshell.
Jessie Christian And the 90s cartoon.
@@Christ2010Grad yup
MR FREEZE-98 What you don’t think the MCU did the Avengers justice?
they are about the same Avengers in comics and Avengers in movies.
Logan was dope tho
In Buffy they even literally refer to Willow's rampage as "going all Dark Phoenix."
Not just Buffy, the new adventures of Sabrina the Teenage witch had them literally reference Dark Phoenix and Jean Grey.
@@depressedkermit5337 I thought her name was just phoenix . or was their always the dark part of her name there, and I just didn't notice ? . I'm confused .
Vang Ler the Dark Phoenix is its own cosmic entity. Jean Grey is a host for the Phoenix at times.
@@depressedkermit5337 oh yeah, I remember hearing about that a long time ago, but I dont remmeber what video title it was . I think this was way before we even knew that dark Phoenix was in the making.
This was a very balanced review of I am honest.
@Ryan Stewart how? he was pretty fair in the analysis
What we should've gotten: Days of Future Past, one more film with the original team/actors leading up to Westchester Incident, then Logan. End.
This
This movie would have had more impact if Magneto had acknowledged that Quicksilver is his son, and Mystique had told Kurt that she was his mom before she died.
Seriously, those two plotpoints could have raised this movie a few notches.
Gunna miss Fassbender and McAvoy tbf, would be happy if marvel kept them
Dark Willow is the closest we'll get to the Dark Phoenix saga
Imagined if the MCU reapeated the storyline for the third time, Kevin Feige be like: "third time's the charm"
LOL but Feige is not stupid like the Fox execs...
@MR FREEZE-98 you sure about that sis?
@@starlord6073 he's a troll clearly
MR FREEZE-98 Definitely losing interest real quick with Disney going full steam ahead with the SJW agenda, but I wouldn’t say that nobody cares. I mean, some people are cool with gender-swapping and pandering to whoever complains the most.
MR FREEZE-98 i would disagree with you a year or two ago but now, with all the sjw shit, I can’t give a shit about the mcu anymore.
I'm glad that for me xmen finished with DoFP and Logan
Saw the previews. Decided to keep my money and skip it.
@@maeve0301 Serious question: were you the target audience for this film? I mean, are you interested in trauma narratives?
@@agentofchaos7456 I'm gonna be honest. I remember nothing from this movie, I haven't watched it since it released and I have no idea what it was about.
@@maeve0301 You know how WandaVision was a psychodrama about trauma & the dangers of suppressing it? The movie was basically proto-WandaVision.
The teaser even promoted it premise to be centered around Jean’s trauma. But people misread it as Jean being possessed.
@@agentofchaos7456 I haven't watched Marvel stuff since like 2019. I know next to nothing about WandaVision or anything Marvel released after Far From Home
Marvel Studios: "Fine. I'll do it myself."
YES. THIS analysis. Dark Phoenix is a solid-middling movie but NOT nearly as bad as the rants are screaming.
I suggest people go see yourself and judge it.
@@sophiawilson8696 I have. I endorse this suggestion.
It's not awful, but neither a masterpiece. 5/10 to me.
Worse
Love your videos "CAPTAIN MIDNIGHT" 👌
Saw it in my special screening, was wondering what the hell was going on, co workers even sleeping during it.
Their was a few things I liked, but could have done better.
My managers thought it was better then what critics were giving it, but still a few problems.
Zero_OR 5 it was kind of obvious aLot of stuff was either cut or re written out it seemed like Selene and braids guy were supposed to be psylocke and angel but I guess those actors dropped or something...I still don’t think it’s as bad as people say it just drags in the middle...and kind of cgi flopped to a conclusion towards the end
@@CAKECO. I mean that's to be expected, a lot of things are cut out in the finished product.
Just a lot of underwhelming things happened.
Aren't you and Jolyne supposed to be breaking out of prison soon?
Ryan Stewart I was just guessing about angel but Olivia munn was originally signed on for dark Phoenix when it was a two part movie however I think she dropped out when the films got consolidated into a single one
Zero_OR 5 don’t tell pucci
Ryan Stewart the actress for jubilee had a multi film contract with the studio and still dropped out of dark Phoenix so it’s not hard to believe that Olivia munn, who confirmed herself she had plans to return, either was cut out of the final script during pre production or decided to drop out of the film of her own volition
one of the problems is doing dark phoenix without doing the phoenix sage first. nope jump straight into dark phoenix everytime
Jean didn't really become evil in this movie though. All she did was accidentally kill Mystique and injury/attack cops/soldiers coming after her.
@@agentofchaos7456 shut up.
@@FlashJan1940 No. I don't think I won't.
Dark Willow saga is so much better than this film.. Buffy Rules
I love that you squeeze Buffy into almost all your videos including menes/gifs lol
I feel like this is the exact mirror image of Ryan Reynolds with Deadpool. You've got a guy, clearly passionate about a property who was part of a botched execution on the first attempt (Last Stand for him, Origins: Wolverine for Ryan) and was given another chance to do it right. When you're this motivated its probably really hard to tell whether you'll be making the next Deadpool or the next Dark Phoenix.
I wonder if they'll still release The New Mutants after Dark Phoenix flopped so bad. I can't see that movie doing any better.
That's a series, not a movie... i think?
@@RubberyCat no, it's a movie.
I am bored within 5 minutes. People had to suffer for 2+ hours. That's torture.
Thumbs up for the Buffy reference (my favorite show)
What an incredible show
Now Atleast no-one will over expect from MCU .
Because whatever they will do still be better
( Thanks for likes
And I know DC fan will burn + #jealous )
Yes but the whole MCU is going down the shitter, anyway ... It's becoming Project Woke
@@analystzorncasteel3047 That is your opinion. I am very interested in where they're going next and while not all new MCU movies are good, they are getting better, learning from their mistakes and becoming better.
Well it's not my opinion they're gonna bring SJW politics into every film, about ... They are. It can be discussed if that's good, or bad.
.. I don't like it.
@@analystzorncasteel3047 What do you mean? The only movie with an SJW agenda is Captain Marvel and she's definitely not going to be in every movie. If you're just talking about diversity in general, that is really stupid because diversity is not the same thing as an SJW agenda. It's an SJW agenda when the only purpose of that movie is to serve an SJW agenda and that doesn't seem to be happening outside of Captain Marvel.
Several movies coming out will carry agenda ... They have said it. Captain Marvel (and now Dark Phoenix) was just the beginning. For me - no thanks. I'm glad to have had 11 years of {mostly} great movies.
X-Men Days of Future Past was the perfect Ending and, Logan was the perfect Epilogue.
The title is my entire feelings towards the movie. It had the bones and the concepts to be greater. But it seemed like someone just gave up and tried to get done with it as soon as possible.
Captain midnight has to write the script for the X-Men movies in the MCU.
Luis Lopez he probably shouldn’t be the script writer, but he should definitely advise the writers
Luis Lopez
Hell YEAH
You need to consider Nando V. He's gteat
@@bravoalley228 yes
I'm just gonna watch First Class again
Watch the first X-Men movie as well that’s one of best X-Men movie.
Better drama if the Phoenix was in overdrive self preservation mode/mood, it attacked anyone who tried to come near, because the aliens after it could possess anyone.
Magneto hunting Phoenix because it endangers the other mutants into becoming feared once again. The X-men trying to fight of Humans trying to hurt jean. The roles have flipped. And Jean is both the victim and perpetrator. None of that repressed memory.
I agree with most things you said but I feel that they don't give enough depth to everything, they adress certain aspects that are very interesting but they barely scratch the surface of those aspects.
First 20 mins: Acceptable
Next hour: zzzz
Ending: TV-quality fights, predictable climax
Last Stand isn't great, but it does have a few great moments.
I actually found Jean's ability to fight the influence of the phoenix inspiring, because I thought of the phoenix like the blind anger I used to have as a teen that I felt wasn't really "me".
What Dark Phenoix is missing:
People who care
The MCU
The Backing of Marvel Comics for
years
Not being a new and compelling take on the X-Men for a new generation
Fan support
Any kind of hype
The fulfillment of sequal promises
And Finally....
Wolverine my boi
@fake channel My comment is ment to be sarcastic, because while these are stupid problems, they are perceived issues for better or worse.
The sequel thing is actually important when it comes to this movie. All the marketing was talking about how it's a new take, it's a different take, and sets up these characters. It makes it seem like it is the first in a new series. This is a turn off for a lot of people. Personally, I have limited time and funds, so why spend money on a dead/dying movie franchise?
It also does not help that there is no place to stream these movies or catch up on them. I would take my movie buddy (my wife) but because it is the last in a long line of movies she would rather not go.
(Also, the X-Men and FF have been shafted in the current Marvel comics continuity, so it just felt like why bother seeing movies that have no care put into them by their parent company)
@Ryan Stewart That's fair
The only good thing is that Wolverine is finally not in the movie to take away all the credit.
I just wanted focus on Scott and Jean. Why, why did it shift from the X-Men to a soap opera about Xavier, Erik, and Raven.
I sometimes forget you havent got a million+ subs yet. I'm so surprised when I realise I can leave a comment without it getting drowned among the other comments
Hey man, I still salute you for that bit of self irony there! 😂👍
I don't think you fully understand irony...
@@1xlaz2 I was talking about him joking about his prediction that the movie will never come out, GENIUS! 🙄
so good to randomly see Buffy!
ikr, Joss 100% wrote Dark Willow to be like Dark Phoenix and they reference it a bunch of times in the episodes.
Jean didn’t really become the Dark Phoenix until the end of the movie where she flew off into space to eat a star off-screen.
Love your comparison to Bufffy, especially given that it's mentioned at one point that Willow has "gone Dark Phoenix" Also nice to watch a balanced and considered view point of Dark Phoenix.
Hollywood needs to NEVER hire Kinberg again. He needs to find a new line of work.
To be honest, I really felt like Jean's character sucked in this movie. That was really why I hated it.
EDIT: yayy!!!!
For me, a LOT of it is casting. Other than the McEvoy and Fassbender , NO ONE ELSE in this cast was never even REMOTELY CONVINCING in their roles. Casting is SO important, especially for this genre. Even though you’ve had many different interpretations of these characters over the years in the comics, it takes a lot more than simply shaving your head into a Mohawk to play Storm, or wearing a (really bad) wig and blue body paint to play nightcrawler. Jennifer Lawrence decided after playing Mystique in exactly ONE MOVIE that she was far too big a movie star to even BE a part of this franchise, and she’s made NO attempt to hide it. She’s been low key dissing the franchise and making almost no attempt to hide the fact that she hates being in the makeup chair for hours and was only in these movies because she’s under contract. Word gets around
The core problem with both adaptations is that it isn't just the "Dark Phoenix" saga; it's "THE PHOENIX" saga.
Jean Gray didn't get this cosmic power and then immediately become a super villain. It originally appeared to have no negative consequences: she survived what should have been something that killed her, got a TREMENDOUS power boost from it, and has enough self-awareness to keep herself in check so her new power doesn't run rampant.
That's why when she DOES succumb to the Dark Phoenix, it hits that much harder. There was time to develop all the GOOD she was capable of with the Phoenix Force under her control. She original gives in to the Phoenix's full power because she was desperate to save Cyclops. She only had good intentions, but that choice ended up killing billions when Dark Phoenix took over her mind. It was seeing such a good character given great power to do great things, and then seeing her fall so hard, so fast, that made the Phoenix Saga what it is today.
It's NOT something you can do without taking time to build up to that fall, without taking time to develop an attachment to Jean and the relationships she has, and that's why Dark Phoenix was a flawed premise for a movie from the start. Sophie Turner is a good actress, and she can be a great Jean Grey, but we've only had two movies with her version of Jean. You can't pull the trigger on Dark Phoenix with only ONE movie under your belt.
The problem is they insist Sansa Deadeyes can act
Nice job on the video. I still can’t believe how bad this movie was
Edit: it had the potential but the execution was pretty bad
Thanks for the favorite I love your content. Keep it up
What you were saying about not showing Jean enjoying her new powers reminds me of how similar this movie feels, in some respects, to Spider-Man 3 and Peter's enjoyment of the venom symbioye
The problem is that the movies two times in a row omitted the "Phoenix" Saga. You know, when Jean Grey first got the Phoenix force? She didn't go mad with power immediately. I get a feeling writers keep glossing over that.
My favorite thing Ive never seen them do with Prof X is show his insane amount of control over his xmens lives, like every aspect he can edit or remove from their minds, make them different people, rewrite them "for the better" would love more of that
Infinity war was scaled down from the comic and still worked well. You had literal GODS trying to tzke Thanos down...
Well, Infinity War had 18 movies worth of build-up, competent writers and directors, a bigger budget, no last-minute changes, characters that we care about (compared to x-men, where there are like 4 characters people care about and the rest are just there) and actual love and passion put into it.
Captain you are really helping me to look at movies differently u are really amazing thx
YES. The Buffy reference. Well done. Totally agree.
what song plays at 1:30
The original X-Men show
Just give Kevin his characters back
Well, only one movie to go and he'll have them.
Doesn’t help that Avengers: Endgame had came 5 weeks prior as well, stealing a lot of the spotlight
So Pete Holmes' interpretation of professor X was truest to it's source material?
It deserves all the Hate they get, nothing like the comics, and it had no Claremont or John Byrne feeling to it, simply a lie to make us enjoy it, not one X-men did I ever go see from FOX and I never will, they need to just give back all the of marvels characters in order for me to spend money but please no more FOX BULLSHIT, great review and keep it up
I wouldn't say that it had no Claremont feeling to it. But they did try to make it two movies but the studio pussied out at the last minute.
Ooh heck yeah been waiting for a video dark Phoenix related
I will say this, I love where beast ended up at the end of this film. Without spoiling I really want to see another adaptation of the X-Men even in the comics do something with him in that position.
Wait, what did happen to beast? I’ve watched the damn thing and I still can’t remember.
Yeah, I am confused, too. Was he upside down or something. I remember him going to a really dark place and basically coming back.
My first thought when willow came on screen was: LILY?!
You have the most soothing voice on TH-cam!
X-Men was just famous like the MCU in the 2000's but look what happened to this franchise.
Ive not seen many people mention that the action was actually decent to pretty good. It felt grounded, was easy to follow, used everyones powers really well and actually gave Charles his best action scene to date imo. Like he played a pivotal role in that fight as a support character and worked around the obstacle of another telepath in a believable way.
I WANT TO SEE PHOENIX BLOW UP A PLANET
which makes jean realize how out of her hands this really is and decides to take care of it herself before it happens again
Not a planet. A star. Have dark phoenix absorb all the power of a star, which destroys all life on the planets in that star system.
Excellent episode Captain Midnight! Perhaps someday, will we get to see Captain Midday? Captain Midnight would actually be your dark side I guess, since it's dark at night. Props to you then, for your villainous side not being all that villainous 🙂
It was just so underwhelming that I'm just happy that Kevin Feige it's taking over.
Kevin feige worked on the last stand and he also sabotaged this movie. He doesn’t have the best track record for dealing with dark Phoenix
i was really waiting for this video
Your problems with Jean in this story, I feel, would actually work out better if they went with the 'revised' version of the Phoenix saga. Where the Phoenix Force absorbed her memories, emotions, and thought patterns unintentionally as she was dying.
But then, I don't see Fox leaving the questions that were asked in the 'revised' version open. What makes a person who they are? If they have a radical shift in how they think and act, are they the same person? Is it the physical body that we're attached to?
I'll be honest, I like that version more than the original. The original was basically 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely', while the 'revised' version asked of the reader 'What makes us, us?'. Despite the horrible acts and there being an argument that this wasn't Jean, she remembered everything involving Scott, and was willing to sacrifice herself for the good of others.
Great video on a not-so-great movie, Cap!
The story was a little off but the fight sequences in this movie were amazing. Not saying that this movie is better than Captain Marvel, but I felt WAY more satisfied leaving the theater watching this than I did with that movie.
Same
It is my belief that, like myself, (a fan of the X-men since the ‘80’s,) many people were never true fans of the convoluted Phoenix saga. That helped it flop, since like me, folks didn’t want to pay to see it because of that reason. Then it got bad reviews, so Marvel and X-men fans didn’t bother. Just a thought.
Yeah, I was reading a lot of reviews where they pretended to read the story.
I so glad you acknowledged your prediction.
Magneto's family dying in APocalypse is better than anything in this entire movie. That and pietros scene made that more worthwhile.
1:43 Storm rofl'ing in the background cause of Jean's expression.
LMAO
Thank you for this video. I came out of the cinema from this movie, both very confused as to what was missing, and unsure as to why the movie received such bad reviews. Things like Magneto's shaky motivation and the MacGuffin of a cosmic power seem much clearer now.
I know how it could have been great.
*If Fox gave the rights to Marvel right after Logan*
Unlike the dread people had about it, the movie had its highlights. The problem however, imo, is twofold: There were no surprises, the "surprise" of Xavier's mind trick was already strongly alluded to and didn't feel strong enough to send Jean Grey into madness (thus forcing Sophie Turner to overact for the part in order to sell the "madness").
Bad build up. The build up to the scene with Jean's father seemed extremely lackluster. I think the father having a more frightened response to his daughter's arrival would have been more appropriate. All we saw was a bad father, we didn't see the monster that the father thought he saw.
The aliens felt more like a plot device than a character, too. I also agree that Jean Grey should have made the choice at the beginning, not Xavier.
best thing about Dark Phoenix:
it gave me the urge to go see endgame again to get the taste of it out of my mouth.
I can tell you love these characters. Great video
What's it missing?
An audience
All right, I'll watch the video now.
SPOILERS:
Some things that frustrated me were how the trailer had one thing and the movie had another. I know it was not to "spoil" the surprise, but it created cheap suspense. For example, when Jean's in the rain in the trailer she asks "Why did you make me do that?" when in the movie she asks "Why did I do that?" and then the whole face grabbing thing with some random dude...Why not HAVE her go for Scott's face and at the end she changes her mind and gives into her humanity?
This movie had potential but it felt like a Fantastic 4 movie (circa 2000s). I agree, there was no grandness. Also, I LOVE Jean but we barely got to know her. There's no payoff to make her Phoenix this early. We don't care about her. She was in Apocalypse for like....15 minutes at the most. We needed at least another movie before they did this.
All that said, it was okay. I don't think it deserves ALL the hate but it's not as bad as X-Men Apocalypse.
4:20. Hold up. Is Captain Midnight suggesting that Pete Holmes is a more comic book accurate version of Professor Xavier than Patrick Stuart? Huh.
I kinda wonder, is it fair to say that maybe the Phoenix saga maybe doesn't hold up and is a outdated storyline? I am not entirely familiar with the phoenix saga so I wouldn't know, but I do have to wonder if the Phoenix saga is all that great when there has never been a successful adaption of the Phoenix saga in any medium as far as I can tell. I have to wonder, is it that no one gets the phoenix saga or is it maybe because the phoenix saga doesn't hold up? Why do people try to make so many changes to the phoenix saga to begin with? I kinda suspect that it might be dated in some horrible way and every Phoenix saga adaption tries to fix it and fails.
The Dark Phoenix Saga is dated and not that good by modern standards, that's the problem
They should have gotten a director with a unique vision like drew Goddard
What made me hate this film the most out of all X-Men films is it's laziness. No one wanted to be there and do it. Acting, directing but most of all writing failed. I can't remember a single thing I liked about it, just that things were happening and I couldn't care less, because no one did.
I think Browntable said the best, Logan should've been the last film for the franchise