I think it’s a good driver making good progress it’s a training after all. No need to floor it and risk members of the public but driving fairly quick and safely does the job.
Interesting that code 3 is authorized even for driver training in public. I don't imagine most US states would ever allow that due to the additional risk lights and sirens create - people in the US do some really stupid things when faced with a code 3 vehicle (speaking from 21 years experience driving fire engines).
The US is notoriously lax when it comes to emergency response driver training. Your EVOC courses shouldn't even be called 'courses' in our eyes because they are pretty much nothing in comparison to what we are required to have. The number of collisions involving emergency vehicles in the US is testament to this. Just to drive an ambulance in the UK on emergency response is a full time 4 week course. It teaches advanced driving technique using the System of Vehicle Control (IPSGA - Information, Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration), high speed driving, skid control and avoidance, box overtaking, defensive driving, effective vehicle positioning for hazard negotiation etc. We have exams in road law and road signage that we have to know word perfectly. We then have assessed emergency drives on the public road. You can't be expected to drive correctly under emergency conditions in public if you've never done it before. Live training is the only way.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder I suppose I wasn't quite clear enough - at least in my area (California), we have a very involved process to be cleared for Code 3 driving. We also have a fairly involved EVOC course. For fire apparatus operators, we also require a full pump ops course, and there is extensive non-emergency driver training with a taskbook to complete and minimum number of road hours to ensure new drivers are adjusted to how the weight class of vehicle they're qualifying for handles. There is also a written and practical driving exam. At that point, our department has a policy requiring a minimum of 3 supervised Code 3 runs, with review, before they can be signed off by a qualified training officer. This technically could be considered part of training, but because all emergency driving takes place after the written and practical exam, I suppose I didn't consider that to be part of training. The main difference I was looking at here is that our Code 3 qualifying drives are all done on actual emergency calls. We are not authorized to simply drive Code 3 without an emergency, because Code 3 driving increases risk to both the emergency unit and all other cars on the road. In this video, it appeared they were driving Code 3 without any actual emergency, which is what I found unusual.
@@KillerTruffle It would seem that your department is one of very very few in the US that takes its driver training somewhat seriously and I applaud you for that. If only the rest of the country was to do the same!
They still do that run now..through Arnold...The trouble is folks round here have become used to it , yes the course has a slight variation. them now come down where the old council buildings ( which burnt down just at the back of our house) people here have become complacent to this run.. it needs to change...was good to see though ..
First question...where are they going???Are they responding on the 20th alarm??? In 15 minuets I could have gone from the north end of our city to the south end. AND passed 3 or 4 fire stations doing it. Great driving indeed, I was apprehensive about the siren being cut off so frequently. We were required by state law to sound all audible devices and lights while enroute. Just curious how big their service area is and how many stations they have. I kind of figured that we would have seen some large smoke column...Again, fine effort driving, just wished that we could have seen what they were responding to.
EFAD=Emergency fire appliance driving which is training new drivers for the real thing. In the past the first time drivers drove with sirens and lights was on their first turn out
R & J Restoration Station it’s the Uk not America ! When it comes to the emergency services, we are much more advanced. Your vehicles look like Blackpool illuminations with all those lights ! And also, all you do is use your bullhorn.
9:54 They don't teach that anymore, it's tones off and hold back until lights change. This is to prevent "pushing" drivers through red lights as it is deemed dangerous and very illegal (any fines sustained by public contravening a red ATL could be upheld by courts).
YelpBullhorn yeah it’s a Scania the indicator ticking noise is unmistakable for a Scania it could be a P230 or something the P-series crew cabs are popular with the fire brigades I know of.
Have you done any erd training? 😂 The change of tones is to attract drivers attentions and for junctions as people can switch off to one tone for a long time.
WTF? By the time they get there it will be too late. Not their fault of course, but the politicians closing all the local fire stations probably. It's the same for our ambulance service too.
Fred.... EFAD training is emergency fire appliance driver (training). The firefighters learning to drive a fire engine on blues n twos in my own county of Staffordshire regularly end up in north Wales, having driven through many towns, cities and villages, open countryside and mountain passes. They then fill up with diesel, swap the driver over, and then hare it back, all on the bell, a 200-mile round trip sometimes.
I've seen a few emergency vehicle videos ,and I am gobsmacked at the amount of pedestrians who cross the road even when the blues and twos are going.
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Yeah, there idiots for doing it
Lol
Love the woman crossing the road with buggy. No fucks given.
imagine a big emergency service motor coming down flashing and sirens and then you just decide to walk out in to road with your fucking child..
This is why they need cameras for fucking idots like her. Andy England 🇬🇧
Here come all the response driving experts....
I think it’s a good driver making good progress it’s a training after all. No need to floor it and risk members of the public but driving fairly quick and safely does the job.
Nottm my old stomping ground... Right into St Annes and on to Mapperly top ... nice :)
Muckybutt Stomping ground haven’t heard that saying in years
Interesting that code 3 is authorized even for driver training in public. I don't imagine most US states would ever allow that due to the additional risk lights and sirens create - people in the US do some really stupid things when faced with a code 3 vehicle (speaking from 21 years experience driving fire engines).
The US is notoriously lax when it comes to emergency response driver training. Your EVOC courses shouldn't even be called 'courses' in our eyes because they are pretty much nothing in comparison to what we are required to have. The number of collisions involving emergency vehicles in the US is testament to this.
Just to drive an ambulance in the UK on emergency response is a full time 4 week course. It teaches advanced driving technique using the System of Vehicle Control (IPSGA - Information, Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration), high speed driving, skid control and avoidance, box overtaking, defensive driving, effective vehicle positioning for hazard negotiation etc. We have exams in road law and road signage that we have to know word perfectly. We then have assessed emergency drives on the public road. You can't be expected to drive correctly under emergency conditions in public if you've never done it before. Live training is the only way.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder I suppose I wasn't quite clear enough - at least in my area (California), we have a very involved process to be cleared for Code 3 driving. We also have a fairly involved EVOC course. For fire apparatus operators, we also require a full pump ops course, and there is extensive non-emergency driver training with a taskbook to complete and minimum number of road hours to ensure new drivers are adjusted to how the weight class of vehicle they're qualifying for handles.
There is also a written and practical driving exam.
At that point, our department has a policy requiring a minimum of 3 supervised Code 3 runs, with review, before they can be signed off by a qualified training officer. This technically could be considered part of training, but because all emergency driving takes place after the written and practical exam, I suppose I didn't consider that to be part of training.
The main difference I was looking at here is that our Code 3 qualifying drives are all done on actual emergency calls. We are not authorized to simply drive Code 3 without an emergency, because Code 3 driving increases risk to both the emergency unit and all other cars on the road. In this video, it appeared they were driving Code 3 without any actual emergency, which is what I found unusual.
@@KillerTruffle It would seem that your department is one of very very few in the US that takes its driver training somewhat seriously and I applaud you for that. If only the rest of the country was to do the same!
They still do that run now..through Arnold...The trouble is folks round here have become used to it , yes the course has a slight variation. them now come down where the old council buildings ( which burnt down just at the back of our house) people here have become complacent to this run.. it needs to change...was good to see though ..
Is this Nottingham?
YelpBullhorn certainly is mate.
new kid on the block that is telling him no sat nav ?
sounded like needed.a down shift up hill with them speed humps
it's an AUTOMATIC!
@@pappaalpha4759 you can still knock it down a gear in auto. Our trucks you could
Hi~lo ???
First question...where are they going???Are they responding on the 20th alarm??? In 15 minuets I could have gone from the north end of our city to the south end. AND passed 3 or 4 fire stations doing it. Great driving indeed, I was apprehensive about the siren being cut off so frequently. We were required by state law to sound all audible devices and lights while enroute. Just curious how big their service area is and how many stations they have. I kind of figured that we would have seen some large smoke column...Again, fine effort driving, just wished that we could have seen what they were responding to.
R & J Restoration Station I am almost certain it was driver training.
Yes the Instructors name is FOZ
EFAD=Emergency fire appliance driving which is training new drivers for the real thing. In the past the first time drivers drove with sirens and lights was on their first turn out
They were responding to nothing, it was driver training.
R & J Restoration Station it’s the Uk not America ! When it comes to the emergency services, we are much more advanced. Your vehicles look like Blackpool illuminations with all those lights ! And also, all you do is use your bullhorn.
Hi - can we share this video on our page, please? With credit to your TH-cam channel?
9:54 They don't teach that anymore, it's tones off and hold back until lights change. This is to prevent "pushing" drivers through red lights as it is deemed dangerous and very illegal (any fines sustained by public contravening a red ATL could be upheld by courts).
What was this filmed with potato 240p is that it
Nice. Would have prefered to see this being done in a real fire engine, Dennis, than a crap cheap converted waggon.
This is an engine..
which emergency vehicle are they driving ? .
JOHNNY Walker.,.. a Scania pump ladder, I believe.
Transition from Dennis Sabre (N910 ) to Swedish tin tanks ( Scania) looks like swede with the low sun visor give me the Sabre any day of the week
YelpBullhorn yeah it’s a Scania the indicator ticking noise is unmistakable for a Scania it could be a P230 or something the P-series crew cabs are popular with the fire brigades I know of.
The driver training pump I think.
Good video, just way too much changing siren tones really drives me insane. Just keep the siren on don't keep messing with the noise it makes ahh
Anakinskywalker You're and idiot
Your taught to keep changing the sirens as each of the 3 are for different environments and also for grabbing peoples attention
Have you done any erd training? 😂 The change of tones is to attract drivers attentions and for junctions as people can switch off to one tone for a long time.
Clear this comment has never been on or instructed EFAD
WTF? By the time they get there it will be too late. Not their fault of course, but the politicians closing all the local fire stations probably. It's the same for our ambulance service too.
It's a driver training course 😂 I drove for many miles more a session than I would any call out in a single run.
Fred Onions did you bother to read the title or description?
Fred.... EFAD training is emergency fire appliance driver (training). The firefighters learning to drive a fire engine on blues n twos in my own county of Staffordshire regularly end up in north Wales, having driven through many towns, cities and villages, open countryside and mountain passes. They then fill up with diesel, swap the driver over, and then hare it back, all on the bell, a 200-mile round trip sometimes.
EFAD - Also stands for 'Extremely Fast And Dangerous' Lol.
15mins responce time not very good of u ask me
Good thing it was driver training
Yxng scan Oh for f*x sake read the bloody description you moron. Plus nobody was asking you!
Google EFAD, if indeed you can read.
Not an A to B response it’s continuous to cover most traffic situations until the instructor is satisfied