Club Sport Brake Upgrade | MK8 Golf GTI
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 เม.ย. 2022
- There are many European models that we don’t get in the US that we drool over. One of them is the Clubsport GTI. The first Clubsport GTI was introduced in 2016 and is a GTI with an upgraded everything. They have the same engine found in Golf R models, and the Clubsport S, set a world record for the fastest FWD car around the Nurburg ring.
For MK8 the Clubsport GTI isn’t much different, it gets an Upgraded engine, exhaust, and even exterior parts. While we can't get a Club Sport MK8 GTI in the US you can retrofit parts like this!
We imported Club Sport MK8 GTI Brake Pads, Rotors, and 2 Piston Calipers from Europe to see if it would fit on our US Spec MK8 GTI. We also test drive it to see how improved it is!
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I didn’t think the clubsport brakes were much bigger since we got defaulted the sport brakes on the MK8. Lol, damnit Paul now I have more money to spend from you guys.
Man this guy is funny.
Pad wear sensors are generally for folks who pay little attention to the pad wear and overall condition. I've deleted mine on both my street and track cars. I've had mixed experience with EBC pads over the years. I've had a couple pairs of Green Stuff delaminate and drop the whole friction surface. Seen it happen on the Red Stuff a few times as well. I used the Hawk HPS a bunch of times and thought they were a decent trade-off vs. street/ track use. Obviously there are better choices. I ran a full AP setup for track duty and never looked back. Those power bleeders are worth every penny. I remember buying my Motive Bleeder over 20 years ago and it still works perfectly. Thanks for sharing Paul! Always makes me click when I see a new DAP video posted 👍😎
G-Loc R12 pads on my TTS caliper swapped S3. They were fantastic during an open track day. I run their GS1 on the street and love those as well.
Humourously informative as ever. Thanks for the laughs Paul 👍👍👍
Tries to sell us on brakes.... tells us they're too expensive 🤣
I love how Paul doesn't try to be the pushy salesman in these videos. Just good content with great DIYs, realistic and pretty much exactly how the viewer would do them (if we all had access to a lift).
yeah pauls style: hey we have these bad ass parts. buy em or dont, whatever. but youll like em if you do
I have such big brakes on Skoda Octavia RS TDI with 220hp. I'm happy for such big brakes because even after an hour of driving on the track, they still brake well. I currently have Rotinger discs and ATE plates there. This combination works very well.
This is a more natural and it’s a better video to watch because of it, keep it up
upgraded my A5 from oem to Brembo ... which was a great upgrade.
your videos are fun to watch. Nice content btw. greetings from Germany.
Love the content as always 🔥🔥
Saw you on friday on the way to NC i77 and your gold golf gti looks good
Those calipers are freaking cool.
Yes Paul, we do like this content. Because I am now "old school" with my Mk7 GLI I will miss the Mk7 stuff but I guess you did all the things with those anyway. Thank you again for all that you, the DAP Repair team (Duncan rocks) and the ShopDAP phone CS folks do. Looking forward to post warranty big power mods this fall. I will be calling in for big time advise on this one.
Thanks for the support. I appreciate it very much.
old school. i laugh in "mk3 vr6" (and before anyone says pfft mk3, i also have a mk1 rabbit pickup and i lost my mk2 jetta coupe a few years ago to a red light runner, so =P haha)
Here in Europe, we also have the Brembo kit from Seat Leon Cupra and all the Cupra platform MQB which are the ones I have installed: 370mm two piece disc with a 4 pot caliper Brembo. I also have the RS3 rear plates and air ducts. Ferodo 3.12 pads with FRF340 fluid. Just amazing
Buenas, acoplan perfectamente las pinzas del formentor en el golf mk8?
Gracias
@@lesfadeses1194 si, sin problema, pero necesitarás llantas que te libren la pinza. Bien sean unas de Seat leon con pack performance o de cupra para pinza Brembo, o cualquier otra cosa aftermarket tipo Braid que las hacen a medida. Yo tengo un juego braid en 18x9 et48 y las originales de Seat de black carbon en 19x8 et50
@@maktrackr te lo preguntaba porque no encuentro nada de información y de compatibilidad con el golf mk8, y antes de hacer la inversión por si alguien lo había probado 😉
What do you mean? a kit from a leon or for the Leon ?
The issue is that if your car is lowered and you use 4 pots, you will need spacers...then you run into problems...from a reaction load perspective load transfer is going to be comparable so I expect the mk Cs brakes to be similar in braking to the ttrs 4pots.... but you have a good setup on yours.. you you feel you have better distributed brake bias front to back now?
Good work ✌🏽 you Need come to Wörthersee in Austria with your GTI
Nice video, I did something similar to my GTI MK7.5 upgrading from 312mm (factory) to 340mm and importing calipers clubsport from Europe as well. Greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽
Is your 7.5 the performance pack? I'm trying to learn what my upgrade options are since I have the performance pack brakes already
@@ParthPatel-hb6du That's correct sir. Check this out:
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@@ParthPatel-hb6du performance pack has 340mm front 310mm rear brakes already (tbh I thought all Mk7.5s and the Mk7 PP had those brakes while the standard Mk7 has 312mm front and 287mm (IIRC) rear EDIT: might be 272mm rear, i really don't know and frankly it doesn't matter lol).
OEM+ options for going bigger/"better" at the front are either stock front rotors or Mk6 R 345mm rotors plus Macan 4-piston calipers, Audi RS3/TTRS front brakes (370mm), or I guess maybe these if MQB Evo parts fit on MQB cars (might require mods idk). There are also aftermarket big brake kits out there. I've also seen TTS front calipers used on an MQB Golf with 340mm rotors (TTS uses 338mm from the factory IIRC). so same size rotors, but 4 piston monobloc calipers. That Macan brakes fit on MQB golfs implies that other MLB cars' front calipers may also fit, haven't seen any others used tho personally. Also remember wheel clearance - OEM 340mm GTI/R brakes can take some/most 17" wheels IIRC, 340/345mm rotors + Macan calipers can fit 18x8s and bigger with the right offset and a bit of spacing (maybe one or two 17s out there too, such as the Apex SM10 17s), Audi RS3/TTRS 370mm brakes may require 19s (e.g. OEM Mk7.5R Pretorias).
At the rear it's probably not worth going bigger at all but someone above said that atlas brakes (330mm) might fit. Can't confirm that tho. also bear in mind that you can't just put electronic-parking-brake rear calipers on a manual-parking-brake car, there are some differences. Mk7 PP has 310mm rear rotors and manual parking brake pads; Mk7/7.5 R and Mk7.5 GTI also have 310mm rear rotors but electronic parking brake so parts won't just bolt on.
source for this is that I've done way too much research on OEM MQB brake upgrades for my golf wagon and I've done brake work on base Macans and a couple Mk7.5 golf Rs at work
@@camerone397 thanks for info!!
I was doing the same as u. Reading is not for me but unfortunately we need to study before playing with brakes and NEVER NEVER forget TORQUE spec
I just did rear breaks on a MK5 golf gti and man I envy both the access and 0 rust hahah
As GTI is based on MQB platform, you can use both front and rear breaks from Atlas, espcially rear breaks with 330mm disk.
So you are saying the atlas uses the same brake shoes as the clubsport?
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@@caderadec.1869 search parts then, if they can use same disk, some heavier but much more cheaper.
Now that would be a cool video.
Paul, nice set of RF on your car!! #rotiform
a cheaper and much better solution is using Porsche Macan (black 4 piston) Brembo front calipers. Its a direct bolt on for cars with Performance package rotors other then getting some custom lines made. Huge upgrade for cheap
The name of that 17-in alloy that you were checking caliper clearance with is the "Salamanca", offered on the 2012 Golf TDI and possibly the Passat too.
Looks like we need a part 2, as this would be a great OEM++ upgrade for other MQB cars like MK7 Golf R/Gti etc
Would also be interested in a MK7 upgrade
Hello! Thanks for the video. I've noticed that the brake rotors are identical, does this mean that one side will have improper ventilation in a center of the rotor?
Great video, Will you be covering disabling the start stop feature in your series on the new Mk8 Gti ?
We have a Manual
Good videos ! tips from av vag mechanic buy stahlwille torque wrench ! have at home and on my work its best torque wrench ever!
I've never seen two piece rotors that were pinned I've only seen bolted ones that's wild
Genuine Question, why would one drain out the brake fluid, unless of course you want something better in there. I had my uncle change brake pads and rotors on a 2017 GTI and we didn't drain the fluid. It drove fine for him, given he only drove it as street car and no tracking.
I'm curious, what is the temperature range on the EBC Redstuff pads? I've got those on my MK7 GTI and have a track day coming up, will they be ok?
It Tells U When U Uneed Breaks Haven't Seen It On Since I Chance My Brake Every year
The issue of needing to use OBD2 to bleed the brakes might be because the master went bone dry and air got into the ABS controller. Activating the Bleed command should cycle the ABS and free the air but my understanding is that you have to redo the bleed procedure to get rid of that air.
Why did you push and hold the brake pedal to the floor before disconnecting the brake lines? Does the brake pedal have to be pushed down prior to bleeding?
Really appreciate the Mk8 content. Since you had to bleed the brakes twice, plus stop in the middle of working on everything for commentary and b-roll, plus the editing … these videos must take a lot of work to produce. Thanks for investing in the community!
Nathan you are killing me with the animations, between that and Paul’s jokes this is gold!
same bleeding order for MK7 and Audi A3/S3 8V? Im doing my brakes next week. thanks alot :)
@DAP Does the use of the brake pedal depressor stop the flow of brake fluid once the lines are unhooked? Video does not show fluid leaking. Thanks
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As much as I love the idea of oem+ bbk's, good lawd are these $$$. I feel like you can do better than the clubsport package if your're willing to dip into that price range
Has this just become I small engine
VW golf channel
How do the mk8 stock brakes compare to the Mk7 r/ GTi pp brakes?
Can I upgrade the non PP brakes on my 7.5 GTI to the 340mm PP version without having to spend 2 grand? If so where can I source parts at a reasonable price?
Why cant the TTS callipers work with the new rotors as they do look better than the upgraded ones & are two piston as well😊
I bought some GTI brakes for my MK6 Jetta SE and they did not fit the car unfortunatelyI believe I need to get the GTI hubs to make them fit, any insight?
Paul,
It's fitting the 2pot caliper on the 340mm carrier caliper?
Hi, I have to do this job too but why do you keep the brake pedal pressed before removing the pipes? Shouldn't it be worse and more oil coming out? Thank you
Your 17s are VW OEM Salamancas, had them on my old Mk6
I'm going to fit this kit on my 8Y S3, is an OBD11 or VCDS coding required?
You should a video on using 87 vs 91 octane!
That would be cool, just to see if it’s true that the ECU doesn’t increase power like we’ve been told.
Hi i have installed the same brakes in my audi,a3 8v but i cant find the dust shields.what is product number?
Thanks
Always like your watching vids. Did you not have to bleed clutch linked on same resovoir? Cheers
someone needs to start 3d printing engine covers
Lord I have a Volkswagen GTI MK6 2012 and when I walk the accelerator and climb wings 2 thousand rpm begin to sound a small screech on the side of the chain but it is heard as if it were going down I would like Know what you think can make that sound.
Are the calipers the same size on the 340mm Caliper compared to the 357mm Caliper? As in trying to find a piston gasket kit but not sure if they fit the same, new to Caliper upgraded 😂(btw I’m doing the upgrade in the video)
Good
To keep your pressure bleeder from overfilling the reservoir, put a pipe in the cap bung, air tight. This will keep an air bubble and the fluid will be at the right level.
A pipe?
@@CarsandCoding A pipe, a tube, a conduit. Anything that lowers the level in the reservoir.
@@jonasthemovie ok I understand, something that takes up some space to displace enough fluid. Like putting a brick in your toilet tank to save water.
@@CarsandCoding Yes, but air.
Whats a good equivalent upgrade for mk6 gtis? R Brakes?
What about your new wheels and which tires did you install?
these videos just keep getting funnier and funnier lol
Like the video and the tool. But that tool got so much more expensive. 😭😭😭
I wish that OB11 would work on my old VW.
Used to have a B5.5 passat. Used a bleeder just like that. Exploded the reservoir at 17 psi. That, was a very very sad day. had planned to stop at 15, and was talking to a friend. Stopped paying attention. Ended up with dot 4 shower. Wasn't happy.
Hi Paul. I have a question... I have a modified (and lowered mk5 gti ed30). I need better brakes... but I want to keep the stock pescara bbs alloys... so I've been looking at the mk8 CS gti brakes for my car as the 2 pistons are on the inside and so im sure these will go straight on my car without spacers....? Dimensionally I think they are ok....I was thinking connectors, master cylinder, caliper carrier adapters etc...
I'm fitting them to my MK6 Edition 35. They bolt straight on and even clear the stock 18" Watkins Glen wheels. The only custom parts to source is a set of brake lines as the MK8 uses a different banjo fitting. I've ordered a set of custom braided ones from HEL.
@jacobfield6862 I just spoke to awesome gti and they said the same thing..just some custom brake lines needed.... cheers.
Any concerns about the extra unsprung weight affecting the handling?
Hi from NZ,
Anthony.
for a couple of pounds its not going to be all that noticeable. a good way to counter a bigger and heavier brake setup is to go lighter on the wheel. good high grade wheels like BBS are very strong while still being lighter than OEM which can balance out the heavier weight of the brake setups
But, do RSQ8 brakes fit?
LMAO 10 piston calipers on a golf. Would pay money to see that
Think they are actually a Porsche part so probably not, would look funny though
Dang I've been bleeding in the wrong sequence all these years lol. Paul are you against vacuum bleeding versus pressure bleeding? I've always vacuum bled with a gravity filler and never had an issue.
This sequence is on a variety of newer VW and Audi models. What this shows is your should always check first.
As for vac vs pressure, Nope they both work generally work. It’s possible on some models pressure works better but haven’t tested.
My mother had a 2002 golf, not GTI, and it had a brake wear indicator
The first time I got a GTI8 I screwed up too and the whole brake pedal was like a dislocated
Sounds like the stop tech st40 bbk would be the better option.
Clubsport bumper looking NICE B)
Anyone has the oem number of the mk8 vented clubsport dust shields??
For the price, it seems like there are better options out there.
so did the wear sensor work? did it show anything different in the cluster?
Nope. No change. Will have to try and leave it unplugged to see what happens but it likely will need to be programmed or at least that’s my guess. The dummy plug looked like it was only to seal off the harness, meaning there were no wires looped in it to complete the circuit and prevent a brake wear light.
@@Deutscheautoparts I bet people would enjoy a video on coding that, both ways. Sure, loop solves race pads, but coding is cleaner.
TTS 4piston calipers are much better. Plus rear brake disks, are they ventilated? Why not those?
They fit those brake disks.
I made it on Skoda Kodiaq (tech clone to tigualn allspace) after chiptuning. Was lack on brackes…
Just had to adopt ABS.
You had one of those TTS on your allroad. Why not to use it on a normal car? :-)
The reason is simple. Tts caliper si wider so you might have problem with wheel clearance. Mk8r brakes will fit any oem wheel.
@@Romif_SK well, those from TTS are not big at all.
I’d say they are almost same with stock for 340mm. And they fit even some R17!
Freedom Units please
So it looks like the rotors might be directional. It appeared like the drivers rotor was installed on the passenger side. You can see the veins/vents are directional. Or do they just use left rotors for both sides?
Nrm I see at min 16 the drivers matches the passenger. Please ignore.
The both rotors are left, seems like vw fucked up. There is no rotor with another vents directoon. Same on mk7 clubsport
@@Youcallthesebagels_ I know it’s installed right because I have the same view, It works well but looks not perfect
Internally they are mpst likely symmetrical, but slots, drilling need some direction, regardless of rotation.
Ok so if you go to the first seen with the passenger side rotor you can see the veins/vents in the rotors will be rotating in reverse when driving forward. Go to the seen with the drivers rotors the veins are facing the correct direction throwing the air out instead of scooping it in. This isn’t the first time I’ve noticed this from the VW group. If you look at Huracan’s with steel brakes it’s the same thing. I thing I’ve also seen in on some Audi RS models as well. They use one directional rotor for both sides. I’ve always wondered why go through the trouble of making or using only one directional rotor instead of using straight veined/vented rotors.
Man I love how these cars are a constant package.
Can you do a video that’s the ultimate upgrade for the Audi Mk1 TT please.🤜🏼🤛🏼🇦🇺🍀🍀🍀🤓
That owl stopped doing commercial when it was diagnosed with diabetes lol
What's the golf r got that gives it the extra 60hp? I wanna see if that fits on the gti!
The new Continental turbo, the CS is the same engine as the R, set up the lot
Other than the 0/60 time there’s nowt in it, I know first hand mate
I build my cars to go fast, stopping is a afterthought
Did the brake wear sensor plug throw a code? I'm sorry if you've answered already.
No code but I don’t think it will actually do anything bc the car isn’t looking for a signal
You really should have greased up brake pad clips/hardware
When doing a brake job, should you use anti-seize on tabs and back of the brake pads to keep them from potentially sticking?
there's an anti-squeal goop, not anti seize, used sometimes on the plate surface of the pads where the caliper touches them, but ive tested both with and without on my vr6 and there was absolutely zero difference. you DO want to use some high temp grease in the slider bolts that go inside those rubber boots if you drive long miles in harsh weather (like snow/salt) to keep the calipers sliding. a stuck caliper is almost ALWAYS one of those sliders getting moisture inside the rubber boot and sticking, which chews pads and rotors bad
Is there a recommended manual bleeding process that needs to be followed on the newer cars for those who don’t have access to pressure/vacuum bleeders.
7:45 mixed up brake rotors … he put a drivers (left) side rotor on the right side. Number 1 beginner mistake.
VW says to pressure bleed brakes at a pressure of AT LEAST 2bars. So, it means that you should set the pressure bleeder at something a bit more than 2bar, like 2,2-,2,3bars, so when you open a caliper's bleeder, pressure doesn't drop below 2bars.
That much pressure is needed, because it makes open the valves inside the ABS unit. So, if some air is trapped inside the ABS unit, bleeding at that pressure should make it go away from the system. The electronic ABS bleeding procedure is needed when a pressure bleeder is not available, but it's a lot more complex, since it requires to bleed two calipers of the same axle at the same time and it make you use A LOT of brake fluid.
Made my own one of those pressure bleeders with an $8 lawn sprayer and two valve stems
Does the brake pedal feel "heavier"? I think when you put in 356mm brakes, I think there is an adaptation you have to make, brake pedal would not feel "heavy"
Yes. There is. It helps.
I have never compressed a brake pedal when changing a caliper or hoses! What is the intended reason for this practice?
The fluid stops leaking out
If he is trying to make his car a sort of GTI Clubsport why doesn’t he put his stock wheels which are the same on the GTI CLUBSPORT
@3:00 Just a guess as to how the two-piece rotors are manufactured, it appears that the pins and the rotor are cast as one piece, then the hat is cast in place around the pins. They probably use die-casting for the hat piece.
The website isn’t working
Do the TTR-S 4 Piston work?
Do you know the weight of the TTRS brakes verses these? I’d rather the 4 piston over the 2, but that’s me.
We have heard there is a slight offset difference in MK8 carriers that make fixed retrofits an issue.
@@Deutscheautoparts please consider testing this theory! Would be super interesting to see. conversely that would prevent Mk8 R or GTI Clubsport brake retrofits on Mk7s I assume...:(
If VW would have used aluminum hats on that two piece rotor, it would be under the one piece rotor.
6:01 So sad that VW is cost- cutting on that: A few years ago they stopped with brake- wear- sensors on the rear axles, now when it sounds like cats in a dumpster it it time for a change :)
But a GTI without these sensors on the front axle is just cheap and not acceptable....
Why didnt you buy a clubsport immediately?
We don’t get them
Paul,
When should I change the differential fluid in “modern” Audi models?
I have TT 2016 and I did 60.000miles
Audi claims its “lifetime” fluid and doesn’t have a change interval..but we both know its BS.
No interval but somewhere before 100k
@@Deutscheautoparts any idea what fluid I need to do that replacement?
Any names or links? :)
Thanks!😁
Better upgrade would be fixed callipers instead of sliding and screwed 2 piece rotors
Paullie you’ve gotta stop buying the “magnum” gloves and get the mediums haha no offence. A little loose on the finger tips there man.
I thought stoptech rotors were made in the USA thus better quality than ECS, i recently purchased a pair and they said made in China lol
So what did you do wrong when the pedal was soft ? I also bled with a pressure bleeder because I changed discs and brake pads and the pedal afterwards was soft and the brakes felt like it's not going to stop. I didn't let the brake reservoir go dry as there was always brake fluid in the pressure bleeder. I don't know what went wrong.