Oda Reveal's The Story Of Vivi's Ancestor Nefatari D. Lili
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She is responsible for placing the road poneglyphs in there current location.
@@danielboikanyo7159 That's actually a smart theory wich Ohara should really work further on
maybe lilli mom is imu?
I think there's a good chance that Imu, Lili, and Joyboy were friends and/or crewmates in the past, but Imu betrayed Joyboy and the ancient kingdom which led to their doom. Imu then assumed control of the world in secret. Lili found out that their friend Imu had betrayed them and was now the secret ruler and she went to confront Imu. Imu then killed Lili and took her sword where it remains in that garden.
That would make Imu the ultimate enemy of the reincarnated Joyboy (Luffy)
the only thing that's insane are you ridiculous clickbait titles and thumbnails
Oda is seriously casually dropping one of the best arcs in One Piece like its nothing. Leo and Sai would make Luffy proud and Imu is so menacing!
Leo and Sai have jobs to protect princess of Luffy's territory as StrawHats Pirates
It was so satisfying watching both men knock the @$$ out of Charlos, and thank goodness Morley took Kuma away just in time.
he is about 180 chapters late showing what happened during the reverie.
@@cedricrust9953 Hes the one writing One Piece for a reason lol
@@fernovo4303 yeah, well, I don't like some of the things he writes/draws
Sabo did actually see Imu.. he mentioned that in chapter 1060 when he was communicating with dragon before the destruction of lulucia.
His words were "i thought that there was no king of the world. But the throne wasn't empty. I saw..!" -then line cut off
Hey Ohara, didn’t they mentioned in the chapter that Lili’s little brother had to become the king of Alabasta because Lili never came back? One of the theories might be 🧢
Uea
That's right
Not might be, it is cap, these theories are pure trash
@sarkiabdullahi54 a lot of these theories are baseless, i dont like it too
@@suneeday9576same especially that one theory where crocodile is luffy mom shits cringey asf
Oda purposefully didn't let Vivi join the crew. Although SHE really wanted to join them and they also asked her too. Vivi said that she will join them if they meet in the future ❤.
just like yamato
Just like same coin different side, we see characther in past *especially after cross red line some of before cross red line* we might see in future role
What if Imu targets Vivi because she needs all 20 royal bloodlines for something like an ancient weapon activation and since Lily refused and 19 families remained on Mary Geoise, now Vivi as a Nefertari princess can fulfill the 20th missing bloodline?
good idea, i think we misread many features of the one piece world all the time. We now know that the ancient kingdom hat some hightech weapon system like the devild fruits and something we would call DNA splicing to enhance human biology to the point they look like Angels (the seraphim). And we know that some people can hear the "voice of all things". This simply would sound like magic. But what if it is a DNA technic to let people come up at specific points in time which do specific things due to the outer environmental set up in which they were born. That would be a good explanaition for why the government couldn´t get the nika nika no mi in their hands, it wouldn´t show up as the nika nika no mi if it wasn´t paired with the right DNA. I mean how would you explain to a scientist Momos abilitys to COMMAND zunesha or Shirashoshis ability to COMMAND the sea kings?
So that means you need specific DNA from specific people to activate weapon systems and technology. I mean then your point would stick out, because they couldn´t end their final plan to rule the world. Lily was like "no, we need a ruler, so f your plan, i´m gonna rule and you can die." Now she waits for the perfect timing which will be the final battle to fulfill it.
Dude stop refearing to imu as she
VIVI IS LILI
@@Marv1p why not?
I also have the impression that the celestial dragon serve as some kind of vessel to activate something huge
from ms Wednesday (thought to be just a joke of a character mostly considered cannon fodder) to probably one of the most important character in the whole story 😂 Vivi's character development is so insane !
this instantly makes that raising hands with x sign whilst parting with SH crew so much more dramatic than it already is
VIV IS LILI
I really think that Arabasta’s Lili is definitely the first queen of the Amazon. She must’ve gotten stranded on the island and couldn’t leave since it was in the calm belt
The ship sank in jaya sanji found her picture when they scubadived and its the picture on kumas bible
@@russmag6410 What?
@@tobito3100 princess lili
@@russmag6410 So I see the pic in the ship wreck that your talking about in chapter 220. Which if this is true, just goes to show how absolutely Godly Oda is but what about Kuma bible
because lily and kuma probably had the same devil fruit. I don't think there's any other way to precisely transport Ponegliffs to certain locations without Kuma's devil fruit. She must've been the first owner :) and that would be her great 'mistake'. Well.. Imu would see it as a mistake since I doubt they'd accpet she did it on purpose since it must've hurt them@@nsimone2155
The fact that Oda is dropping chapters that are better than whole animes is making me excited for the final war
People trying to turn joyboy/lili into a love triangle doesn't feel very one piece to me.
Don't think Lily and Imu had a child at all since it was Lily's younger brother who ended up ruling. But I do feel like some sort of relationship (likely unrequited by the end) was between them. Imu said her spreading the ponegliffs was a 'mistake' when it was very much intentional, sounds like Imu is still be in denial of what she did. When Imu heard that her name had the D. in it that must've really pissed them off because it confirms she was not on the government's side at the end.
She didn't keep just his straw hat in the vault, she kept Joy Boy's entire body there.
I had a similar theory until you said “their kid became the ruler of Alabasta” which is stated to be not true it was her little brother.
My theory is that Imu is a husband/lover and that they only looked at the picture because she looked familiar. Or maybe even that the picture of Vivi is what she once looked like and the immortality operation did not keep her looking youthful. The D. was written to the people of Alabasta for them to remember their oath to bring back the Ancient Kingdom for which the Nefertari family had ties to. Nefertiti in ancient Egyptian history was the leader of Egypt at its peak with her husband and introduced a state religion based around the Sun. Her reign ended with the fall of Amarna and relocation of the capital to Thebas which sounds a bit like the relocation to Marijois.
Just something extra. God Valley is probably related to the Valley of Kings in Egyptian history where Nobles of the New Kingdom were buried in their tombs as well as their wealth which might include “Devil Fruits”. What if Rocks went there to rob the graves of those nobles to steal these fruits and that is how Linlin found Kaidos fruit. The WG stopped it because the most powerful/rare fruits were on that island and Roger helped because his crew had no DF users so maybe the fruits weren’t important to him and he was promised gold. Also ending up with Shanks in one of the chests.
First time of hearing of Lili and now community going crazy and a ton of theories about her and Imu. The hype is real. OP is awesome and so unique imo. Such an epic story/manga/anime. Every chapter is super exciting now and I'm dying to get more of the story. What a time! Amiright
VIVI IS LILI
@@truthoftheuniverse4179 Yo momma
@@ghostfish771 vivi is lily the name rim and joyboy send her to the future and turn her into a child like bunny.
and luffy is a joyboy clone vegapunk made because imu want to clone joyboy to created joyboy body
@@truthoftheuniverse4179 bro pls stfu. there’s no way ur older than 12 years old.
@@truthoftheuniverse4179 that makes no sense garp makes it clear dragon is Luffys dad and we see the proof luffy strongly takes after garp oda drew him at 60 and he just pirate garp
What if Lili was Toki? They do look similar after all, and like you said, she wanted to go to Wano. Also,if she knew about Joyboy’s return, that could explain her sending the Akazaya Nine 20 years ahead, and she also married Oden who learned of Joyboy’s eventual return as well. It’s a possibility but I haven’t thought it out that much
Weird you didn't point out that 19 swords are around the throne and one is in the garden when we first see Imu.
I think Imu killed Lily right in that garden and put her sword in the ground and now he's full of regret and that's why the Vivi poster is untouched.
Lufy and Blackbeard reminds Imu of Joyboy and someone else we don't know yet and Shiraoshi is a descendant of fishermans (joyboy allies).
Now, lufy and blackbeard from Imu perspective must die (ripped poster), Shiraoshi must be captured (poster is intact but with a sword on it and as we saw it's been freed) and Vivi has a special treatment lurking for her (Poster untouched and he carries it with him).
Excellent speculation
But what if imu is actually Lili and vivo is basically her grad grand grand grand grand....... Daughter? 🤔
@@Julien4PresidentxD possible
fantastic I reached the same conclusion expect that imu didn't kill her and that imu was always there before the 20 kings united which lead to lili reporting the D in which was why she was killed.
On the cover page luffy has one sword 🗡️😮
I'm calling it, the will of D. is to simply *Dethrone* Imu, that's it, Lili is a rebel amongst the 20 kingdoms to take down Imu as of Joyboy's request I guess, they could heavily be affiliated considering how Lili was introduced as like the first person in the Void Century who decided not to reside in Mariejoa, and had the Poneglyph ever since, meaning she was never ok with the union of the kingdoms
*D.* can be everything other than 'Doppleganger' or copy 🙏 That is what I hope. Every protagonist is not the copy of those whom existed 800 years back. Those whom stick close to Hiragana, Katakana - Japanese would definitely oppose this but think for a bit - *Oda said that One Piece is not made of one nationality but inspiration taken from many. Even in Netflix he brought an international crew. The main inspiration is from the Carribean Golden Age of Piracy of course. Hence an 'English' term shouldn't be overlooked.* Wishing however that this isn't the case else it would ruin the fun.
I think 😅 : Lili didn't lay her sword in front of the empty throne you can see her sword with her in the illusion room when the guard inform her the 5 Elders arrived , She betrayed the oath that no one will sit on the empty throne after winning the war
I think lili ate the erase erase fruit she's an erased human the sea devil blessed the 20 founding rulers with powerful abilities!!! Also I think she betrayed joy boy and traveled with Lady toki 800 years to the future to erase the ancient weapons!!! Instead of going to alabasta to help toki bring the dawn, she went to the holy land to blackmail the world government threatening to use the ultimate weapon 16 holy bullets!!!!
She had to constantly erase her thoughts and memories because of joy boys future sight yup observation haki was ridiculous!!!!
she did lay her sword there tho according to the merlin looking dude that talked to stelly in 907, Cobra was theorizing to Gorosei becuz he and other Kings probs never seen the 20th sword around the throne either the gorosei lied by ommision to cobra or are unaware that Imu is in constant possession of Lili's sword
@@mokaljordan Lili is the sword she can erase anything
@@marcialopez7228 lmao idk bout that sword theory but i do agree imu has some sort of godlike power to erase things but its limited in usage, i speculated a few months ago that Imu has the strike strike fruit which can do anything that involves striking(strickin from the record, lightning strikes, 3 strikes your out etc.)
I like the last theory only because Oda loves taking bits and pieces from other famous stories. And Narnia fits that perfectly. The final war in the first Narnia had soldiers encased in stone. And as back up, they released those soldiers. The same could happen in One Piece
Luffy and Vivi have few things in common
1) They complete honest leader
2) They Completely fearless leader
3) they loyal to they friend and family
4) they love adventure
5) they both have Will D in their middle in name
6) They despise celestial dragon For try to attempt to enslave their friend
7)They both lost their family members (Ace and Cobra) to world government
8) they have both have frenmise (Luffy and buggy) (Vivi and Wapol)
9) They both Target by Imu for some reason Imu want to capture Vivi alive
10) Luffy and Vivi have huge role in world Luffy is the new Joyboy Vivi is Descend of Nefertari D Lily
Vivi can't be a direct descendant of Lili's (and potentially Imu's) potential "secret child", Cobra literally just stated that Lili's brother took over ruling Alabasta when Lili never returned.
Also, my first thought while reading these revelations were "Imu could be Lili if Imu has been alive since the void century" but your theories sound solid too.
Also, lol sorry for my edits, yes Sabo must have seen Imu on the throne. Because before Lulucia was destroyed Sabo was about to tell Dragon something about the empty throne (which is most likely the revelation that someone actually sits on it)
Chapter 159 finally come out guys
you're too fast haha, i already changed it. it's 3 am here lol
@@Ohara-the-Fox W
Insane so excited tbh can’t wait to read it
@@Ohara-the-Fox we got it because in India its 11:20 pm 😂😂
Seeing the 159 actually got me to click on the video bc I was confused lol
im not sure if sabo saw imu directly, but i do remember a few chapters back he did mention knowing the throne wasnt empty.
Remember how Doflamingo said if he had the OP-OP-fruit he‘d rule the world. Maybe Imu is in fact in Lilys body. That explains why she has the 20th sword with herself. Now the question remains why Lilys body?
I think it has to do with Uranus. Maybe it’s linked to her body like neptune with Sherahoshi. Thats why she wants Vivi dead because it’d be way to risky for two people to control Uranus. And also that’s why i don‘t think Law could ever die right now. Think about it - He is way to long in the story and also the secret of his devil fruit is known. Maybe it’s not to make someone immortal but more to make someone mortal who gained the immortality in the past.
Damn
Or lily is just evil
The problem with Vivi being Imu’s descendant is that Cobra stated that when queen Lili went missing her younger brother took up the throne in her place.
Could it be that imu is the younger brother of lili 🤔
How is that a problem? She doesn’t have to be a direct descendant.
They are still related though, even if not directly but as great-great-...-great aunt and niece
@@gamingwithzinan3877 Can’t be because as mentioned the younger brother took up Arabasta’s throne.
@@clemi2601 She wouldn’t be Imu’s descendant but distant relative.
13:50 Well, the marines kinda know about it too since they were listening to Sabo's call and heard when he said there was someone sitting on the empty throne, right? so the navy knows about it now
If you take a moment to look at every Imu appearance, you'll see that he/she is very small, like a child. The poster, the Den den Moshi, the Swords. Even when he/she sat on the throne, its look like a child size is sit there.
If what people are speculating about Imu being Queen Lili is true, why would she pen a letter back to arabasta seemingly explaining something about what D. means or will do? It could just be trying to throw arabasta off, but that wouldn’t make much sense cause if she mentioned anything about D. then it would draw attention to the people of D, which would inherently would be bad for the WG. I do like the theory of Imu being Queen Lili but it would certainly raise some questions. Also if Queen Lili is supposed to look like Vivi I find it hard to see Luffy beating up a Vivi look alike. Imo I think it’s more likely that Lili was assassinated (we “know” that they view the Nefertari as traitors) but was able to pen a letter back home before said assassination. It could be a good parallel to the title of the chapter “The Attempted Murder Of A Celestial Dragon”. As we know, Lili would’ve been a celestial dragon had she ascended to Mariejois with the 19 other family’s. And because she got the letter back to Arabasta it could be seen as an attempt to silence Lili by assassination but just that, “an attempt” cause even tho she ended up dying they were unable to silence her. (which we don’t know if she died or not, we just know she never returned to Arabasta). I’ve also seen people throwing around the Amazon Lily theory about Lili being the founder of it, these could go hand in hand if Lili had escaped the assassination attempt and somehow ended up on the island of Amazon Lily before it was Amazon Lily. However, I find this to be unlikely, but still possible. Truthfully tho, whatever Oda has planned is probably better than any theory we as a community can come up with.
IT VIVI IS LILI
TIME TRAVEL
@@truthoftheuniverse4179
NINI IT IS GIGI IN
TIME TRAVEL
@@vijaysamant2864 VIV CONTROL THE ANCIENT WEAPON PLUTON,
VIVI IS LILI
We saw vivi as a child this theory is not plausible
Vivi is not Lili or Cobra wouldn’t be asking the WG about where’s Lili? Smh he wouldn’t put her or his life at risk like that. Vivi is her own person but may be related to Lili distantly.
Sabo did see Imu. He said to Dragon when he was on lulusia that he saw someone sat on the empty throne
This video seems to be almost inline with my theory as well.... Giving me some more confidence in my theory.
My first misunderstanding made me think that the "letter" Cobra was speaking about is the letter (alphabet) "D" that is coined by Lily, may be as the sign for the revolution. But then I realised the letter doesn't mean the "Alphabet", but the letter as in. "mail"... Which contains the information about the "will of D". Anyway coming to my theory,
I'm copy pasting my theory that I wrote elsewhere... Here.
My theory is that Nefertari Lily is somehow related to Imu-sama (friend, acquaintance, ex-friend, enemy, may be romantic interest, ally etc...) and I personally believe Lily is NOT imu-sama.
And the fact that Oda deliberately ended the chapter when Imu-sama spoke one word and didn't finish the sentence... May be something like... "Lily..., That's a name I didn't hear for a long time... " Or something like that... Presumably.
And It feels deliberately suspicious on Oda's side to confuse fans whether Imu = Lily. But its too obvious and I think there is more to it.
And also it is safe to assume imu sama has op op fruit immortality....
Now coming to the disappearance of Lily... there is a possibility that Lily was attacked on her way to Alabasta and Lily escaped into the calm belt where it's hard to reach (assuming navy is not as big and developed as it is today, as world government has not yet formed )... and Lily might've established or is one of the ancestors of Amazon Lily.
Especially because Nefertari Lily's official Spelling doesn't follow the same convention as "Lili" like "Vivi" or "Titi" but its "Lily". So, that means the name "Lily" must be important and coincidentally we have an island named "Amazon Lily" in the calm belt.
Now, before all this, Lily might've written a letter probably having details about the "will of D", and has passed it down through generations in Alabasta through her Brother who took over the kingdom. And this letter has been very secretive apparently.. and only the top monarchs of Alabasta in the lineage knew about it... Like a secret mission, which means the world government and imu-sama might've directly enforced laws against the knowledge of void century in Alabasta also during the time of formation of World GOvernment.
ANd the apparent contents of the secret heriditary letter.. refers to the fact that Nefertari Lily did surely have the knowledge about the "will of D" ... which is connected to the ancient kingdom and the "Dawn of the world"... as mentioned by Roger and Pedro.
Now, interestingly, Alabasta has also been protecting the Poneglyph ... and Poneglyphs are the product of Kozuki clan of Wano... meaning, Lily and Wano did have some connections...
And interestingly, When Robin told King Cobra that it seems the Alabasta was not protecting the poneglyph but is seemingly tried to hide it from the world... Cobra was shocked... "how could it be..." this suggests that he had different version of information (mostly through that secret letter from Lily) ... and what RObin deduced is based on the signs as a result of World Government's coverup. Since, World Govt is unaware of the secret letter, they thought the knowledge is lost in Alabasta... Which CObra reveals to be otherwise to the 5 elders in the latest chapter.. to probably instigate imu-sama..
And Here comes my second theory.
Lily might also be an ally of Joyboy who is related to Wano, fishmen island, Zou... (May be, Lily might also be a D clan member) and as she lived in the same time and Alabasta has a Poneglyph, meaning in pre-World government era, there used to be a continous relation between Alabasta and wano or Else who else would bring the Poneglyph to Alabasta under World GOvernment's nose.. after it is formed.
Now, coincidently, Toki is also from 800 years ago, same time period as Lily. So, Toki might've been a confidant of Lily, whom Lily might've entrusted with some info or some purpose or something... to carry on forward in future and deliver it in Wano. (Delivering it in different time period might be because of some event happening in wano at that time, which might make it difficult ... may be walls coming up or drowning or doing it secretly without world govt's notice, or something similar reason as Why Roger thought they went too early, ... etc.... to preserve and pass-on whatever is entrusted to Toki). And that secret is still in Wano somewhere, even may be in Oden's Journal, as Toki might've told Oden about it.
May be that's what is related to the mission, as she was probably the reason who removed pages from the Oden's Journal and his them somewhere in Wano, as to not to let the secrets into the wrong hands, when Oden was killed.
May be that's why she stayed back without going to future herself, to fulfill that mission.
That might be the reason why TOki when she first saw Oden, told him that she came from the past and she is in search of Wano.. and she has never been to wano before and she doesn't know her homeland, but her ancestory is from wano. This suggests that she was somewhere other than wano (possibly with Lily), may be her ancestors shifted from Wano to Alabasta during the time of Lily.
THese things add up... somehow...
After making sure of sending the info or something with Toki to Wano, and the secret letter to Alabasta.. Princess Lily might've went into incognito in the calm belt at Amazon Lily.. escaping the Marines in its initial days.
Let's see if my theory holds up... This first time i feel my theory feels more cohesive... And seeing parts of similar ideas in different versions of themselves, proposed by different people in the fandom makes me more confident.
Edit: That "Binks Sake - Dr.stone Mero mero no mi" makes sense, a way too much. Or something on those lines...
As "Binkusu no sake wo todoke ni yuku yo" literally means "Let's go to deliver Binks Sake (somewhere)".
May be the mero mero beam petrification is a possibility, but "Delivering Bink's Sake" seems to be way too much important for the end game.
PS: for Toki to send Lily to future, she either has to bring Lily to future time, at some point as she time jumped multiple times into future from 830 yrs ago to 30 yrs ago. But the latest she would've brought Lily is 30 years ago before she met Oden. And before she met Oden probably Toki and Lily got separated and then Toki met Oden. But this seems too far fetched... and doesn't seem plausible.
Idk for sure if Vivi’s ancestor had a history with Amazon Lily since we don't know enough to support this theory. But I do wonder if this will inspire Vivi & Hancock to become friends, and give the Kuja Tribe an even more important role in the final saga. However, the only way for this to be confirmed is if Amazon Lily has similar to the Minks having a history with the Kouzuki clan from Wano, such as a special Poneglyph or a symbol of the Nefertari family.
Love the video and keep up the great work ohara
Joyboy's sucessor Luffy, Lili's successor Vivi, Toki's successor Momonosuke and Zunesha's successor Zunesha. history repeats itself?
I was thinking the exact same thing
dont forget xebec's sucessor teach..
@@carlosavalos6468 xebec wasn't 800 years ago
@@ReboxTracks we know nothinv about zebec except the fact that he existed in roger's era
A comment i wrote under some yt videos, an my pesonal theory + headcanon:
"I dont get the conclusion of all people on YT that Imu is Lili.
It seems way more like that Lili is a seperate entitiy who knew Imu personally, and because of this information and her refusal of becoming a celestial dragon which would have kept her alive, she was killed off, so that really no one knows about Imus existence.
Plus, that wouldn't function at all.
Imu must have been around even long before the World Government was founded, in order to gain power and people who will aid you, which created the system and its followers, with the 20 founding kingdoms. We know that Arabasta was one of these 20 founding kingdoms, and now we know about its representantive 800 years ago, Queen Lili. Who helped to found the world government. But just like i said, there must have been a separate entity who pulled the strings before, during and after the world government was founded. Lili was merely someone Imu must have known, and because she knew stuff that she must not bring out of the land of gods, she was killed off.
Not to forget the letter, which surely was something that goes against the will of the World Government.
Which Imu who you say could be Lili, would have never written.
It makes also zero sense why she would go against the will to become a celestial dragon, and go back home ruling over her kingdom,
but then deciding not going home and become who Imu is today, someone who stands above all. Who did suggest this position in the first place?
No one of the other 19 kingdoms would have suggested that, because that wasn't their plan or their wish.
So this strengthens the theory that Imu is someone separate who existed even before this and arranged the creation of the world government.
A head canon of mine,
if the 20 families aren't supposed to know about Imu, but there are 5 celestial dragons who do know about him or her, that would either mean that the 20 kings and queens did indeed know about Imu but didn't pass down this knowledge, or there were more people who supported Imu even before this whole plot with the creation of the world government came to be.
Which would also mean, that Lili was only killed because she would have passed down this knowledge, which then also means that she would have been kept alive if she didn't decide to leave"
After seeing Sai & Leo doing an amazing feat that would make Emperor Luffy proud, I now want to know if we'll end up seeing other Grand Fleet members do some amazing things in the near future!
But didn't Sabo see Imu? I'm not sure but I think it was stated Sabo saw/said something like "there is someone in the empty throne"?
I was just waiting for ur vid to drop the moment I reached the last panel
My theory: Lili = Zunesha
Lili owns the mythical zoan fruit model 'Zunesha' making her the OnePiece version of 'Ganesha", a Hindu Elefant Goddess. She had to betray her Love/ Nakama Joyboy in order to protect her own kingdom from a cleansing through Imu's powers. That's why she refused to stay as a celestial dragon and began her self-sentenced punishment of endlesly walking the see.
Zunesha might be her awakend form, allowing her to become 800+ years old as it's cleary visable, that she's indeed very old by now. Also having the mink tribe on her back might also be some kind of protecting of Joyboy former allies. I'm assuming that Imu's laser powers only work for stationary targets. Therefore the location of fismen island right below the Red Line might also be very intentional.
I think that the Red Line as well as the borders of wanokuni were made on artificial ways by an allie of Imu or even themselfs to protect the WG from Plutons powers and making them able to live above anybody else quite literally.
greetings from bavaria btw! :D
Makes a lot of sense
I was fully onboard with the lili is zunesha theory yesterday till someone mentioned that zunesha is over 1000 years old but its still a fun theory with some copium it could work if oda lied about zunesha's age
I love the idea that Lili was a mythical zoan fruit user that lost their mind to their fruits will upon awakening.
In that way she isn't Lili, nor knew her. Imu just took the keys to the human mobile named Lili, and let her ripe!
Sabo did see imu. He mentioned that someone was sitting on the empty throne is a prior chapter. Maybe didn't see who it was though.
1:23 the way he said "only" makes me feel like helf of the Swords are gone
😂😂😂
I think its possible that lily's father/mother was the original leader of alabaster who joined the alliance of 20 and she became Queen around the time the world government was formed after her predecessor had died
LILY IS VIVI
NOW MAKE SNESE
VIV IS JOYBOY LOVER
TIME TRAVEK FRUIT
What I think is that the straw hats could be similar to the crew of Joyboy. Maybe the current members are related to Joyboy's band before void century. Since Vivi was already on straw hat's ship, it could also be that Lily went to travel with Joyboy. Maybe a musician who was on Joyboy's ship, wrote the bink's sake song. I feel like whatever history the world government has erased is destined to reoccur. There is this famous speech from Roger: Inherited will and people dreams can not be stopped. As long as they seek the meaning of freedom, these things will never cease. I think this is what is happening right now. It is also just like vegapunk said that things in the world exist because people dreamt of those things before.
I always expect ur videos ❤️
Lily being founder of Kuja tribe actually makes a lot of sense, first of all the name of the island of course, all members of Kuja are named after flowers or flowering plants, just like Lily. And lastly the surname Nefertari is the name of real Egyptian queen and it's translated as "the most beutiful one", diving even deeper, Nefertari had a nicknate - Nefertari Meritmut and Meritmut means "the beloved one of the goddess Mut" (Mut was one of the primal Egyptian deities).
So, her name and her surname heavely indicate a connection to Amazon Lily and the nickname of the Queen she has her surname after is pointing towards her being beloved by the goddess (god? Imu? ;p)
VIVI IS LILI
THE TITME TRAVEL FRUIT
1 TURN HER INTO A CHILD AND SEND HER TO THE FUTURE
@@truthoftheuniverse4179
NINI IT IS GIGI IN
TIME TRAVEL
@@vijaysamant2864 lili is vivi.she time travel to the future to Cobra.
vivi controls the ancient weapon Pluton.
those that control ancient weapon are immortal or get reborn again and again.
why did cobra nation have a stone tell were pluton is because viv control the ancient weapon pluton i was right.
umi control the ancient weapon urinus
so his immortal because the ancient weapon he control.
VIVI IS LILI AND PLUTON CONTROL
I can't wait to see how the meeting between Cobra and Imu turn out
Remember in Law's flashback his father told him his middle name of Water was taboo much like how IM as ruler of the One Piece world is I believe that Law is related to IMU as Imu spelt backwards is Umi which means sea a large body of water and with the introduction of the ancient royal Lily Nefertari Lillies can be many flowers including the water lily which strengthens my view that Law is related to IM.
His middle name D not the water part.
that makes no sense, by that logic, the island Water 7 is also related to Imu since it has the "Water" in its name just like Law.
imu and fishman are related because fishman live in water? 😂😂😂
The thing that's wrong is , in Japanese UMI is written with 2 katakana letters U-MI so it's backwards will be MI-U not IMU and oda plays with japanese words not romaji versions of those
VIVI IS L ILI
To add some extra weight behind the love triangle theory… Oda loves to draw inspiration from ancient mythologies and history. If the love triangle theory holds true then we may be able to later find parallels between the Trojan War and this arc. Greek and Egyptian history is very intertwined (Egypt being the inspiration behind Alabasta and Ancient Greece/Rome has a lot of similarities between the World Government.) Will be interesting watching this all unfold.
What if Lily is Toki and she used Devil Fruit to travel from the Void Century to meet with someone using joy boy's devil fruit. Since Roger knew he was early, because Joy Boy and Lily determined the precise time when she will met with joy boy's reincarnation and mentioned that time in laugh tale. But Toki (Lily)came bit early so she entrusted everything to momo and zunesha.
I think if u look into Egyptian history about Nefertiti ( Nefertari ) and queen hatshepsut who's some of her history has been deleted and hieroglyphics language which we can not read is related to poneglyph language u might get an idea about how oda related the Egyptian history to his job and build a theory about that in a video 🙃❤
Pov:there's a place in ancient Egypt called God valley
VIVI IS LILI
SHE IS LILI
CMON ODA DEVIL FRUTI POWER SEND HER TO THE FUTURE TO COBRA
I think Lily could be IM because of the flower Lily of Valley which has two other names which explains the link with the Holy Land as the flower is also known as Mary's Tears or May Bells as May comes from the name Mary or Marie which sums up the Holy Land of Mariejois going on with my Lily of the Valley theory I think that the lost island of God Valley was an extension of Mariejois as a country
Yeah that was also my theory reading the chapter.
Mariejois, May Rejoice, Marie Joys, Mary Joy, Merry Joy, Going Merry, Joy Boy, there really is a lot of wordplay around words that can sound like variations Mary/Merry and Joy/Rejoice huh?
Plus add in the whole Mother of Nature/Mother of the Sea angle as well as Joyboy/Sun God Nika, and the Holy Land of Mariejois built around the Sunlight Tree Eve, could be named because it was (or was intended to be) the land belonging to Mary of Joy.
I think imu could be a alien, bcuz some warden said, that some wardens vanished, bcuz they probably saw something he refers to as " who knows what" and "it"
HOLY FUCK
VIVI IS LIL;I
Why would she pass on the secret of the D's name to her family?
The zooms and camera editing in this video are awesome
You should return to making more chapter review videos! I really miss those and the reason I started paying attention to different OP channels is specifically because you've started neglecting the importance of us getting your view on the most recent chapter\episode! All spoken in good faith ofc. BTW what type of mic are you using? I'm very curious since most TH-camrs use the SM7B by Shure and you obviously use a different (shotgun cardioid type maybe) one... I am a sound engineering student and so this sort of stuff keeps me up at night lol.
What if Lili IS Zunesha? Like a giant elephant fruit user/ancient weapon maybe, punished to walk the ocean (as she is walking in the ocean and is weakened by it, she can't turn back to normal) for whatever reason? Let's say fell in love with Joy boy and once his side got defeated she didn't want to be part of the "winners" side.
Additional plot, IMU also loved Joyboy (that's why she keeps the hat) but they had such a different opinion on freedom that they were enemies at the end of the war. Vivi may also be identical to Lili and that's why Imu keeps her photo
If IM loved joy boy then why would she tear photo of Luffy
LILI IS VIV
URANUS HOLY FUCK
VIVI IS LILI
@@ReboxTracks cuz she can't accept luffy becoming joyboy? Maybe?
The picture Sanji found underwater during ship salvage arc (Jaya) was maybe Queen Lily's. She left the kingdom via ship and this alerted the people of Marijois that she might will leak the information after refusing to reside in the holy kingdom. So they decided to find her and assassinate her ship. This makes sense because the salvaged ship look like Kuja Pirates Ship, which was named after Amazon Lily . see for yourself. episode 144.
When I read your comment, I quickly went to see the episode and also the Manga (chapter 220) and saw the picture of the woman.
However, the ship in question that fell, Robin examined the remains and by her estimate it is 200 years old, so it couldn't be Lili since she dissappear 800 years ago
One thing is for sure.
Oda doesn't like love stories.
He mentioned it before, and it is obviously portrayed all throughout the series.
14:01 Sabo was saying something about Empty Throne when he was on call
I think it would be really interesting if Imu is a descendent of Lili. Maybe their real name is Nefertari Imu. It would also make sense why Imu had a picture of Vivi because Vivi is where Imu would be right now if Lili did go back to Alabasta. Lilies also mean “mother” or “motherhood” and it would make sense if that was Lili's meaning because isn't the theory that Imu is named "Imu" because it's Umi, japanese for "sea" backwards. And Imu is being thought of as "Mother Sea," like Gaia is "Mother Earth." Because a big concept in mythology around the world is the primordial sea so Oda could be pulling Imu’s inspiration from that. I also think Imu being Vivi’s distant cousin makes Vivi even more likely to become a full-time member of the Straw Hats.
OK HOLY COW
LILI IS VIVI
UMI KILL JOYBOY FOR HER
May be a big incident took place due to lily as imu said like scattering of ponyglf and return of joyboy and imu may want all of the connections to joyboy to be vanished but not want to end lilis bloodline and imus full name is confirmed
Saint imu of house nerona
Just like I said when the Wano arc started.. ITS UP!!.. it's crazy that people are being surprised chapter after chapter I hear and see people saying that this is the best chapter yet this is the best chapter yet it's only going to get better as it should chapter after chapter
i've been waiting 4 this
Stabiler Bizeps bro ❤
It literally said in the chapter that Lili’s younger brother became the ruler of Alabasta, so whats all that about Imu and Lili’s child???
In the chapter 218 - 219,
SHP encounter ship falling from skies
also find a photo of woman and broken sword,
probably lili and the 20th sword
the location also near alabasta
i dont think that is lils sword
1. There is a 20th sword in the flower room by imu
2. The Ship that fell down sail from Briss Kingdom (South Blue) 210 (208pre ts) years ago
Vivi will be uranus able to control air kings (like sea kings) and will be introduced to Ancient air kings soon (possibly by Morgans) , will be supported by lunarian tribe just like fishmen and minks tribe for other ancient weapons. Its already been foreshadowed as pell and karoo serves under vivi (both being birds). The 3 ancient weapons might be vivi , momonuske and obviously shirahoshi commanding air kings , zunesha and ancient seakings.
20 kingdoms, 19 swords at the throne one sword with Imu in the Chamber of flowers. I think Imu is Lily and it's her sword in the chamber of flowers. Hence why she doesn't cut vivis picture because she reminds her of herself in her young days and because she is family
why would she write the letter about D?
VIVI IS LILI
LUFFY IS JOYBOY CLOWN GIVE TO DREAGON
VIV IS LILI
TIME TRAVEL FRUIT TURN HER INTO A CHILD LOST HER MEMORIES
The message Lili left to be passed down exposing critical information is quite contradictory though i agree with you about the swords. Im starting to think the sword in the throne is a reminder that no one can defy imu because she kiilled her or not could be her sheesh oda working me. sanji scubadived and found the ship with lili picture in jaya
I think that's too easy, like that doesn't feel like what Oda is planing. Idk just what I think.
Manu there is a mistake in the title you have written chapter 159 by mistake ,👍👍
Edit :- Thanks for ❣️ Manu
I know it's coming every time but "Shanks for watching" gets me every time 😂
Following on the Lili being sent forward in future theory, what if Lili is VIvi? Sent forward in time and helping the one she thought would inherit joyboy's will. Might also be why Imu was so interested in that photo.
This chapter make me realise that one piece might not be a revenge story against world government but it is a love story of broken hearts. Maybe both lily and imu was in love with joyboy but joyboy choose someone else that made imu better and betray him. After all chapter 1 starts with a new romance down 800 years in future.
Oda is the only mangaka who can rush the plot without showing it was rushed
Rush this story has been 25 years in the making.
How is this rush lol 1000 episode in
What if the love curse of Amazon Lily was created by Imu's devil fruit? If Luffy's fruit brings the dawn and lets him realize his dreams, what if Imu's brings the Dusk and lets them realize nightmares/curses? If Lili escaped to and formed Amazon Lily, Imu could've put a curse on her that stuck through the centuries so that she and her kin could love no other, which is why they banned men, because they knew about the curse.
Such a tease with the [show lasers that destroyed Lulusia] caption then no LASERS! xD @17:31
The thing is I just realized they have to cast a voice actor for imu now and with that we can at least make a really good guess what gender she/he is so maybe so that the anime doesn’t „spoil“ it soon imus gender etc will be revealed
Oda was serious when he said from this point it will be THE ONE PIECE
Everything is coming together
I think there's a strong chance that Imu could also be Uranus. That could even give credence Vivi being the next Ancient weapon if Imu ends up being Lili
Dude, your love triangle theory may explain why the first chapter is called “Romance Dawn”. Awesome video. Keep up the good work.
Ooookk thats a sick thumbnail
will pass the complement on to my amazing artists!
I'm not sure if this theory is valid or not, but it suggests that the "D." in One Piece might symbolize being dethroned. Additionally, the theory proposes that Shanks, represented as a knight, is the true rival of the shadow and his main objective is to help Joyboy become the king of the entire world, not just the king of pirates. It's an interesting idea that Luffy, like them, could ultimately become the true king. Furthermore, the theory claims that Luffy's victories are merely due to his luck. If you share the same thoughts, it would be fun to see a video on this topic. 😅
Huh
I thought you didn't understand, so I edited my comment.
@@mynameisanonymousfornow I actually agree with you yes, and also it makes sense since becoming king of the pirates is only part of his dream as we don’t know what his true dream is only his crew does. Maybe he follows the same tattered fate as the other D. members and will dethrone imu to become king of the world and not only be the freest man but allow the world to have freedom as well.
@@alexanderregnar1841 Just want lu-na at the end to be happy together lol🙂
Ohara: I know you guys hate time travel.
Meanwhile us: 👁👄👁
Time travel can be risky and cliché. But it would make some sense. It would further explain why the WG is so eager to erase the history of the Void Century. Even if Lily were to arrive to the present time, if there's no one seeking the Ancient Kingdom or One Piece then all her efforts for taking down the WG would be for naught. That could also indicate that Imu used the Ope Ope no Mi to give himself immortality, so he could be there when Lily arrives.
What if Lili is Vivi, she became a baby (her memories were sealed) with the help of Bonny's devil fruit and was sent to the future with the help of Toki's devil fruit. That might be the reason that they might look identical. So as you said Imu might have liked Lili (but it was one side), that might be the reason for him to hold the picture of Vivi (even though she was not related to the story line at that point of time) and the first word he spoke was Lili.
How about my theory. 😉😉😉
I think Vivi is lily and the wife of oden sent her to the present time line . So that she can help luffy aka joyboy to not to make the same mistake that was made by joyboy in the void century
I just noticed, your video editor is top tier
u deserve 1m subs only 80k more go for it i like ur vids and theories
Seriously the only thing that this makes me think is that Imu is Lili or the descendant of Lili
Imu have the 20th sword. Which is the nafetari sword. Shown in butterfly part. Also imu didnt destroy vivi picture. Imu is Lily or a netefari
Yeah I also Came up with the same Theory that Lily is actually Imu The eay Cobra React is the same that She see her Daughter Like figure in Front Of Her Thats why She react Soo Much Other wise if He sees some one the throne he would just react like who is she lily is the Queen Of All celestial Dragon And 5 Elders are There supportive pillar And they each posses Monster Like power In One Piece Every Family Of D Member is special but if A Royal Put a Little bit Effort In His Life he can Become sooo Much Strong in short Amount of Time Example doflamingo And Sabo They are One of The main Portaginist That Are Not D but Extermly Popular Like Mihawk if You Mihawk You see more of Like him as a Royal not Some pirate or Fighter
Imu did hold a sword in the garden with the butterfly 🦋, and Vivi's picture wasn't shredded like Blackbeard, Shirahoshi & Luffy's. Chapter 1084 mentioned the late Queen of Alabasta Lili, having a younger brother who took the throne after her sudden death during her voyage.
You theory’s always gives me chills
Its hilarious how many theories about One Piece we have. From the wildest and most ridiculous to the ones that actually get things right, they all make sense and any of the could come true. I love One Piece so damn much man
I think in next chapter Imu will say: "Lili... That was my name a long time ago... But now, i am known as Imu. "Evil laugh" "
Oda is just changing everything and breaking one piece every week 😅😅
Maybe the "planned to take out the kingdom anyway" was about them deciding to erase one of the several revolting Kingdoms as an example.
Sabo made the decision for them when he stated that he saw someone sitting on the empty throne.
Hey love the video and the work you do for the community.
Recently I had an idea what if joy-boy lost because he was corrupted. We know that devil fruits are the manifestation of wills and grants people powers but, people fail to realise that there must always be a balance and with all the good in the world there must be an equal evil to keep the balance like yin and yang. The theory goes that joy boy discovered a fruit which consisted of all of the corruption in the world .All the evil manifested into one single fruit. Maybe he believed that he could withstand or fightback the corruption thanks to the Nika fruit he consumes the fruit. It would make sense as he would realise his mistake and would create ponegliphs to make sure that the true history was recorded. This also explains his apology to the fish-men as he was the reason they were going to suffer for a long time. And it is entirely possible that sensing this corruption he somehow freed the nika fruit from himself or buy pulling the last essence of his free will and putting it all into the fruit explaining the special will it is stated to posses. This would also lead to the classic theme of one piece that every antagonist so far could have been joyboy but were somehow lead down a different path and the final antagonist will be the joyboy who was corrupted. Just had an idea I thought id share with soneone
I personally think that Lili and Imu both loved Joyboy, and Boa Hancock is the reincarnation of Lili since Luffy is Joyboy’s reincarnation, it explains why Boa fell in love with Luffy as well, it could also explain why Imu destroyed Luffy’s bounty poster. I am wondering what role Imu will play in Luffy’s journey. Great videa and theory btw!
luffy is not joyboys reincarnation. stop talking like this is naruto
and Imu is obviously the antagonist like wtf type of role u think they’re playing in luffys journey ?
Bro i think you better find out who Oda is with his plot twists and also stay updated cause its been proven that luffy is Joboys reincarnation
@@RavagerDS luffy is luffy. there are more similarities between luffy and roger than luffy and joyboy. lmao
It’s crazy that a character we don’t know (Imu) mentioned a name we don’t know (Lili) and we all lost our DAMN MINDS.
Maybe its like pudding split personality, 3rd eye tribes maybe have a split personality when they awakens it so maybe lily was in love with joyboy but in the end she actually betrayed him and now she regretted it show she was hiding in the shadows and punishing herself just by living alone the whole life or she is just so angry that she wanna destroy everything (every joyboy) as he rejected lily for maybe a amazonian or merfolk queen !
It could be that someone is again going to appear from the past through Toki's powers, but what if they have an ability needed to use whatever is at Laugh Tale?
Like say they have a reverse aging fruit like Bonney to keep someone young like Imu, or have a immortality power like Law, or Vegapunks memory/brain fruit. If they have this amazing power why not try to keep it out of Imu and the WG's hands by sending it to the future? Rogers crew gets there and sees a message that (x) devil fruit won't reappear until a certain date but they're 25 years too early or whatever. Could also be that a list of certain events and people all have to unite to fulfill the prophecy, which something tells me Rayleigh and Crocus both have been aware of all of this time.
I have a theory that Lili and joyboy had the same relationship Vivi and luffy had but since joyboy must have been a pirate Lili could not support him. and the reason why she left is so she could not put alabasta in danger, when you look at it it is basically things repeating itself in loop
Did you just say "Shanks for watching" at the end of the video?😂😂
Maybe lilly was in love with joyboy while joyboy was in love with someone else . So she betrayed imu . Imu loved lilly but once he killed joyboy , she left him out of hatred .
Oda is a genius of deceving so we just to wait and see, great theory as always Ohara