@@bandaidgirlcos That's the thing. She had just learned that carnage planned to kill her and that Cletus was fighting to get out. She would've yelled at him for surw
@@donniejefferson9554 YEAH and it would have completed her character arc and would have been so fucking cool that was the only part i was like “that’s shit”
There has to be a scene where carnage fucking murders everyone in the room. I was so disappointed when he breaks free as it doesn’t look like he’s killing the guards but jsut throwing them…
They admitted at least with the scene in the prison where Carnage tongued that guard to death, the original was way more brutal so they were told they had to cut it and make it less violent.... I'm sad : ( An R rating wouldve been nice
@@LavaHawk4 I don't get why it doesn't make sense. At the start Carnage didn't think to kill the father, but when he was fighting against Venom and struggling, he killed him for the power
and besides, in 5 years those 13 year olds will be 18. get some of that late-game money. oh and another besides, like being 13 ever stopped anybody from seeing an R rated movie if they tried hard enough.
Its part or the mcu now so probably not gonna happen 🤷♀️ the next Spider-Man movie will probably be an even bigger cluster fuck than the amazing Spider-Man 2 lmao
@@zac-1 spider man works as pg-13. I’m not expecting Peter Parker to say the f word or get into adult situations, he’s just a teenager. Something like wolverine, Deadpool, and venom should have a mature rating. Luckily, they learned that with logan and we got a classic.
I bet originally it would’ve been. In fact, if I recall, this trilogy was originally announced as being R rated. But at some point the Venom team knew there was a strong likelihood of a merger into the MCU. For that reason they had to scale back on the intensity.
Kind of weird that his biggest weakness in the end is that Cletus and Carnage weren't connected enough. Carnage and Cletus are typically depicted as so in sync that any other people who use the carnage symbiote end up acting like Cletus. Norman Osborn (Green Goblin) was even 100% convinced he was Cletus after using the symbiote. Those two are probably the most connected symbiote pair out there and this movie really missed that
Eddie pointing out that they weren't symbiotic gave me psychic damage cause the one thing Cletus and Eddie have in common is the fact that they're perfectly symbiotic with their symbiotes.
I just find it funny that Carnage, a symbiote made red from Cassidy's own blood and known for tearing his victims entrails out, is given a PG-13 rating. It's like Wolverine all over again.
Man those PG13 X-Men movies were god-tier compering to this disappointment. From writing and Action/choreography these venom Movies are no match for the X-Men titles that were rated PG13
@@boofman0486 Venom cracked my too many jokes in this movie, felt like WAY more than the first one. Honestly got very tiring, and his jokes were terrible
Yeah I feel like this movie would’ve benefited being rated R so much… seeing how cut the first one was I was so surprised to hear this one was going to be PG 13 as well. Feels like a missed opportunity to express the characters better
I feel like most cape-shit movies would be good with a higher age rating but marvel will never do that because they want money from every demographic. I want another R super hero movie like wolverine or deadpool
@@DragonTamer31K Fox get's the shit done, they did amazing with Days of Future Past and First Class, Logan and Deadpool is far better than any other MCU movies, look at Joker from DC, R rated movies can make more money if done right, Sony doesn't see that.
@@jackbrian2993 The only thing I trust sony with now is electronics and the studios that they hire for games. Although Fox is doing well with some of their movies, they need to cool it down with the super people we already know too well. We need either a lobo movie or a new Punisher movie (maybe Thomas Jane)
There's something disappointing about Cletus caring for someone other than himself and Carnage. In the comics, he doesn't care for anyone and if he does happen to side with someone else, he kills them in the end anyway with no remorse.
That's not the same with Shriek tho. From what I know,they eventually team up as well as be a love interest in one another in some comics(one that Ik is carnage vs deadpool). I dont see it as disappointing,but definitely..."unique" and rare for the character.
@@Knightfall-rb7md yet she willingly gets her spine ripped out by carnage, emphasizing carnages disability to actually have a relationship with anything or anyone No matter how much they'd agree on something, at one point or another carnage WILL go for the kill
@@h.k.2368 that was from maximum carnage,right? Or some other comic,I cant remember. I have to read it to understand why he killed her again,but I doubt it was just because he simply wanted to. Or maybe it's just different for the character in some different universes like almost every comic book character,who knows anymore🤷♂️
@@Knightfall-rb7md ye its in max. But yeah, obviously he didn't kill her just because, but it's just the fact that he does it like it's nothing. Their whole relationship is based on mass murder and chaos, even the most in tune couple cannot last forever with a craze like that Therefore adding to the point that carnage cannot give less of a fuck Its just the way things go mah dude
What are you reading? Carnage cares for shriek. A recent example was carnage vs Deadpool. He killed shriek on accident and was somewhat traumatized cuz he loved her dearly
@@royal4908 when it's about carnage it does tho, like, HELLO CARNAGE'S ENTIRE CHARACTER IS BASED ON BEING A CRAZED MURDERER WHO KILLS PEOPLE IN HORRIFYING, GOREY WAYS, like yeah if you add blood to some movies, like idk the lego movie, it oesn't make it better, but you CAN'T make a villain that is based around blood and death be pg 13 because it takes away from the character
I also really want to see a directors cut of the original movie because I heard from somewhere that they had to get rid of over an hour of scenes probably to make the movie pg-13 but thats probably why the end product feels so rushed
I wish they embraced the aspect of the comics where Eddie's shitty life and hatred actually fuels venom so he uses killing criminals as an outlet for his rage. Their emotions are supposed to fuel eachother.
I wish they had gone rated R and made this a horror movie. Cletus and Carnage have massive potential to be the stars of a monster movie, especially with Carnage's sound design for when he was introduced.
But they're in it for the money, more public access=more tickets sold And if this Venom was related to something very gruesome they wouldntve made him connect with Tom Holland Disney-Spiderman
Yeah i kinda hate how they keep forcing comedy into the film, it just seems like another mcu film, corny and cringe comedy and dialogue. Carnage and Venom are absolute vicious in the comics, it would’ve been amazing to see that on screen. Hopefully they learn to make the third one R rated because the franchise will be better and will be benefited greatly for these type of characters
the movie is only 97 minutes which is what like a pixar movie usually is, it was missing about 45 minutes of content/context for a better story for cassidy
@SS S honestly, some scenes I laughed out loud because it felt like they cut something. There was a scene where they showed carnage about to stab venom and they randomly jump cutted. But another scene they kept it in I was very confused on wtf was going on
@@LordMorpheus Especially ones that focus on the dark side of a character or a much more deeper side of a character and not just action, especially since with anti-heroes you can get wild with them just like villains.
@@darthvader4339 yup I love anti hero characters so much. they usually do well with r ratings, but not every company wnats to do that. That's why I'm a bit exicted but scared for moonknight tv series and what disney will rate it
rated r movies WILL ALWAYS be much deeper and thoughtful movies b cuz directors has no limitations. deadpool is great bcuz its made for deadpool fans and its made as deadpool movie should be made, same with JOKER and THE BOYS series. unfortunately VENOM is not made as it should : dark, grim, sometimes funny but overall mysterious (venom hates other symbiotes and wants to understand EARTH), they made it "EHKHMM LETS MAKE VENOM BUT WATCH OUT, DONT OFFEND ANYONE, DONT SCARE ANYONE" ...
I felt the same way. The entire thing was fun and goofy, but those things feel weird in venom movie that has a dark tone and dark charcters. Its a weird mix.
I really enjoyed the prison escape scene with carnage. I was really full of suspense in that moment. But I do feel it definitely would have benefited from an R rating.
The end credit scene gives me hope that for the future, Tom Hardy's Venom won't need to worry about trying to forcefully continue the "meh" story of Venom 1 & 2 and can focus a lot more on them being the "Lethal Protector".
The end credit scene actually disappointed me because SPOILERS!!!!!!! him being in the MCU opposite of Tom Holand spiderman is sure to be even goofy PG nonsense than these last 2 movies were.
@@ricram7267 I think they're better than meh, but we all got our own opinions. At the very least the writing should be way better than the last two Standalone movies.
They don't care necessarily about the people who want it rated R they get more money from the more diverse audience of pg-13 the movie would of been better if it was rated R but they would rather have more money
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 they did do well but they did well with the adult comic fans, realistically this venom movie will most likely make more money than those movies because the amount of people going will be increases due to younger kids going
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 especially because they are trying to tie in venom with the mcu Spiderman and it would be hard to have alot of blood and gore in a mcu Spiderman movie
Honestly they could’ve just cut out the gf entirely and fucking had like 3 carnage vs venom fights all leading up w venom finally being able to beat carnage after losing basically a fucking movie
@@TheMightofDab RIGHT they really didn’t showcase how venom and carnage differ venom being blunt and less brutal while carnage is there for bloodbaths hypnotizing people and wayyyyyyy more
Carnage was the only Marvel villain I was actually scared of as a kid. Gutted we didn't get an 18 rated movie with him. Edit, wow this blew up. I haven't seen the film yet btw but I will 100% be watching it when I can. Stay safe everyone :)
Yeah. I used to collect comics and I have Carnage #1 It's a beautiful life I think it was called. Basically some therapist/psychologist enter Carnage/Kletus' thoughts. There was a scene where there was a pile of dead Spider-Men, some hanging from a noose and Carnage keeps cutting them in half, guts and all spilling out. Yeah, It's probably the goriest (fucking spell check changed it to horniest, lol) comic I own.
Yeah agreed people said that It can be good without an R Rating but that’s just false. We all know Venom 1 and 2 would’ve been WAY better if it was R Rated.
I really wanted that as well, the only downfall wouldve been that my friends and I would’ve needed to sneak into the movie or lie about our ages since we’re all 13 - 15 lmao. Our parents are all busy, and we don’t really want an adult to watch with us.
Spiderman on PS1, that fucking final stage when Carnage Ock chases you used to terrify me. Carnage is legit one of the few comic book villains that really comes across as disturbing but he needs to be aimed towards a more adult market.
I thought when Shriek said “you’re going too far” or whatever she’d scream and harm Carnage enough to weaken him and Eddie would finish him somehow, but instead she starts screaming and Venom knocks her off the church killing her. If they were making her have this sudden change of heart I thought they’d redeem her character and make her a good guy, considering she just helped Venom/Eddie.
I didn't get what was up with that. Also the bell just landed on top of her, but it's yknow, a bell..? So isn't she just inside of it?? Might just be the PG-13 but it felt like a super weird way to "kill" her off. Also in the comics, Cletus/Carnage as well as Shriek very much see more action than this arc, they're recurring antagonists for many, many years, Shriek first appearing in 1993 then just now dying (who knows if temporarily or permanent) in 2019. Are they really gone for good? Hopefully we can see them Rated R in the future. But it's the MCU and they only have so much time to spend on characters, so who knows.
I fully agree with the need for an R Rating...it's Wolverine all over again... Slap a PG rating on a character that has blades coming out from between his knuckles...you get a mediocre The Wolverine. Fully indulge into the character and give the movie an R rating with a mature story, gruesome violence and good writing...and you get the masterpiece that is Logan. First Venom was a 3/10 for me, just because of Tom Hardy and his banter with Venom. I haven't seen this one yet, but given it's 1h30 and has PG...I expect it'll be the same, maybe just maybe a 5/10 6/10 because Woody Harrelson is also in it.
Blood really wouldn't have changed a lot the character itself is the problem carnage doesnt feel like a killer that is superior hes just not really that intimidating i guess Blood wouldn't have changed that
@@okok-sk2zq Yea honestly nothing couldve saved this movie. It was doomed the moment it was planned since Sony was behind it. Sony is incapable of making good use of its Marvel characters
The thing that was cool about Carnage as a character, was that he was so bonded with his symbiote, that he didnt use "We". He was one character, not Cletus Kasady + Carnage.
Mild spoilers: Yeah, i was kinda confused how they completely flipped that dynamic for the movie-- they kept parts like how the transformation into Carnage is full body vs just coming out as a suit, but then he lost because their bond wasn't strong
The PG-13 rating sounds like it’s the biggest detriment for these movies, it’s unfortunate because I really really thought it was going to be R when first announced
@@carlmccartney1025 That sounds about right to me. Seriously though, this isn’t exactly a family movie. They would definitely have a bigger demographic if they went R18+, but somehow the executives or whoever still think lower rating = more audience. It’s a real shame
You are an idiot. They CAN make a violent movie with PG-13. You know the dark knight and the quiet place? They are both violent gruesome movies and guess what?? They 👏 were 👏 both 👏 PG 👏 13 👏
I thought it was a good move to focus on character rather than plot, I thought it made it more enjoyable than the first. If they punched up the plot some, it certainly would’ve made it better, but I felt this one was still an improvement.
cletus kasady should have been more like hannibal lector from silence of the lambs, calm and unnerving but when carnage comes out, it becomes pure chaos
@@BarcelonaBlitzer movie was overall disappointing as expected it was a good movie but it had so much more potential considering once of the most anticipated villains from the comics was finally coming to the screen. They fucked up bad
It is normal for most psychopaths to have an obsession with something, including some people, so that "love" isn't, in fact, true love. I hope I helped to understand (But yes, probably the writers didn't thought on it)
So spoilers ahead just an FYI. my two cents I guess. The whole conflict with Eddie and venom I think was really cliche with the dynamic duo having an argument, leaving, realizing they’re co-dependent, and join forces again. I personally wasent satisfied with the death of Cassidy because it felt like venom killed another goon because I never felt bad or attached to Cassidy in any way much less his girlfriend, yeah we heard his tragic backstory but it was so underwhelming with the animated letter type thing. Carnage was definitely kept in a box, especially in the ending fight scene: like Charlie said with the off screen murder really made carnage watered down too much, like the prison scene they really just scratched the surface with carnage and his ability so the ending fight just seem dull and lifeless. Again with another cliche of “oh the bad guy has us totally beat” “No he doesn’t because we’re a team” Just another nit picky thing venom was complaining the Eddie about how carnage “is a red one” and he’s over powered yet doesn’t explain why or how. Anyways thanks for reading this far if you did.
So, it wasn’t really that you missed it, just that it wasn’t really _clear_ : She was talking about Carnage’s literal size when she’s like “Baby, that’s too big; you gotta tell him to stop.”
I would've love to have venom struggle to keep up with carnage throughout the film, having their first battle end in a loss for venom and make the final battle worth it rather than killing off carnage the first time they actually meet.
Venom. Is kind of a wildcard man. Even in the comics. He's a "hero" or atleast being an alien he seems to thinks so. He's even saved Aunt may once I believe. I think they're just Bipolar.
I took my younger brother to see this last night. Thought it was hilarious that everyone cares more about Venom than Eddie. But that battle at the end was confusingly good. Also Woody Harrelson just channeled his 2012 character.
@@arcanonn SPOILER: Mysterios broadcast revealing Peter Parker is Spiderman is played on a TV and Venom licks the screen. Seemed very forced to me, but I guess it's the implications of where the universe goes.
@@drrickmarshall1191 Well at least they had venom banter with eddie saying how big the universe is and hinted at being with someone before eddie, refrencing spidey, and then he sees spiderman on tv and licks it. So they are establishing that venom did know spiderman, i think, right? Cus when they were on the bed in the hotel room, i forget exactly what venom said but it seemed like he was hinting that he was with peter parker before eddie brock.
i don't know what he's talking about, that water in a toilet monologue he just made up was the best thing ever. robably because he's such a legendary actor that he could execute that line so well
I agree, the movie is fun the people that think it’s "disappointing" or something are putting expectations and complaining for something that isn’t there
See I don't mind the PG-13 rating, but they should've built up the story more because there really are ways to work around that rating and the writers DID smooth out edges with the banter but not the build up between Venom and Eddie or Carnage and how that was caused. They do not flesh them out until the fight scenes and it feels more like 'Oh we're fighting now? We're friends because of this.' and it's very one dimensional..
This movie is like PG-13 рoгn, where you just see a montage of pizza deliveries and nothing else happens. So you just left extremely confused and put your tutu back on.
I was a little confused when Woody Harrelson emerges from Carnage, looks directly at the Camera, and says "Re-elect Trump you fucking cowards" I'm not even in the US, thought a scene like that would be cut for the international release
Also the part where Eddie tries to transform with Carnage but then he says "oh yeah that’s right mine's not red" and go back to Venom. Funniest shit I’ve ever seen
The post-credits where Eddie is seen talking with this short figure in the shadows about how they should gather the *"Tomar Emeralds"* I mean, i don't think it belongs in this saga, but whatever
I miss the days when Venom and Carnage were actual scary, at or at the very least, intimidating characters I genuinely cant take these guys seriously anymore, and it sucks Hopefully, Spider-Man PS5 does Venom and/or Carnage justice
Venom was always intimidating and Carnage is scary, I mean a literal super powered serial killer. Also I Don't know about the PS5 game, seems like they are going more in the Ultimate universe direction.
Cleatus was done well for the most part. Carnage and the Symbiotic relationship is terrible. A couple changes I would have made: 1.) Remove the pity party part of the movie. That is not who Kassidy is and its just weird. 2.) Fletch out the screamer and give her a personality 3.) At the wedding scene the most Carnage thing I can thing of is something like what happened in Carnage USA. Force a bunch of hostages to watch the wedding, make them do something grotesque like pulling teeth for the ring. 4.) Give the Symbiote more dialogue and make it actually disturbing like saying "Yummy" in that crazy ass voice when he kills someone instead of this 2 bit mobster that he sounded like. 5.) No killing off screen. Overall I see Kletus and Carnage as 2 sides of the same coin. Kletus is the cold and calculated killer while the symbiote is like his primal instincts if that makes sense
The moment I heard Venom called himself a loser in the first one I immediately hated the directors and writers and had no confidence or care to watch Let there be Carnage. I'm glad Charlie calls it without soying out for no reason, Good work man.
I mean, goofy and weird has been Venom's whole shtick for like 25 years in the comic book so it makes sense that they'd adapt the character faithfully. If you don't like or know the character that well that's fine, but at the core level I don't think there's anything wrong with faithfully adapting the weird shit and awkward, goofy tone of the source material directly.
I think that these movies could have some decent potential if they were to ever be “rebooted” like with the suicide squad, even if they weren’t able to change much, I think that the R rating would fit these movies miles better than the original. The first one wasn’t terrible, I enjoyed it, but I feel that R would fit Venom’s somewhat edgy antihero persona better
Here’s the thing, I was a fan of the first venom movie. However, after seeing the second one, I was worried that it would actually get panned negatively… but after looking at the reviews it seems that people enjoyed it more because of the silliness, and actually….after thinking about it…it was actually really nice to have a a movie that was short and packed with just enough action and humor that didn’t require too much thinking… TLDR: it didn’t take itself too seriously, it was entertaining, doesn’t require a lot of thinking (like every freaking marvel movie) and help set up more stuff for the future.
@Edward Bolton Most Marvel movies don't require thinking. And if they do, it's a small amount. If you're tripping over trying to understand basic Marvel movies, then I wonder how you'll handle the REALLY morally complex movies.
I thought they will explain a bit more about Carnage. I went to see it with my girlfriend and after the movie she was like "So the red guy was Venoms son? Why were they fighting and what's special about him being red?"
you see charlie, venom: let there be carnage isn't an action movie with two much banter and not enough fighting, but rather an emotional coming out story with an epic battle and beachside honeymoon
LOL sounds like trash. But hey tribalism amirite? People like the movie suddenly because they heard there was a gay relationship. Before that nobody gave 2 fucks about it. Pandering is how movies are made now.
@@gavriellarutigliano2356 No I haven't I know venom from cartoons and video games. Still doesn't change the fact the public at large didn't give 2 shits about the movie till they heard it was brave and stunning. Im not even saying it's bad or don't go see it. Im saying to me it sounds bad. And just observing the way this played out was interesting to me. For me the most interesting thing in the movie was Carnage being played by Woody.
Somewhat of a spoiler but When Shriek says "that's hot" to cleetus turning into carnage that was the point where I was jut like "huh...they know their target audience"
The reasoning for the sudden change of motive in carnages gf was because she is madly in love with carnage and she can see how much eddie and anne love each other and knows that was the whole reason she was so upset about being in jail for years
For a movie with a villain called carnage he only kills like 2 maybe 3 people. And we also don't see the deaths venom really needs a R rating to work. And making venom a hero is also part of the issue as well.
@@johnnyboi8684 A lot of the killing from carnage is just off screen and when they are on screen they always cut away. And Cassidy says he’s going to get out and cause carnage but he only says it and doesn’t actually go out on a killing rampage.
I agree with Charlie here. The first movie was Eddie and venom learning how to work together. And the second movie was venom and Eddie learning how to exist with each other. Now that both of these hurdles have been overcome. Eddie and now know how to coexist and work together efficiently, hopefully leading to the next movie to blow the first two out of the water.
I mean the part where he breaks a bunch of people out of prison and murders cops doesn’t invoke at least a little carnage? What about when he brings down all the helicopters surrounding him and using the car as a podium to destroy everything. I’d say they delivered on the carnage but an R rating would’ve enhanced it.
@@bernielomax6226 no. Carnage needs blood. Gore. Carnage literally eats people. He tears people to shreds and paints the walls with their blood. Throwing a couple guys around and biting their heads off off screen isn't good enough.
Really hoped to see this movie be a bad guy vs bad guy scenario and actually have gore and stuff but with Sony I'm just left wondering what it would look like.
@@muqxxt yeah like the kids they want to watch this movie won't go home to play violent video games or watch graphic content. PG-13 or not kids know how to distinguish reality from fiction (unless they use TikTok then they lost)
I mean Venom was never really a "Bad Guy." He was a villain of Spider-Man because the Symbiote was jealous Peter Rejected it and Eddy Brock hated Peter. Venom just wanted revenge against Spider-Man. He has mostly always been an anti-hero, especially after Spider-Man and Venom made a truce.
In an interview Tom and Andy said they made the film pg13 and not as graphic so everyone could watch and enjoy it "even grandma can go"😂 I wish they would've done the pg13 AND offered an unrated version. It'd be a lot cooler if they did.
Although I liked this movie a lot more than the first, here’s my problems with it: -It should have been rated R cuz it felt like Carnage held back a lot -Carnage’s voice shouldn’t have been so deep and should have acted more “joker” like -They made carnage and Cletus not as compatible as Venom and Brock when in the comics it’s the opposite Otherwise, I loved it.
SPOILER: the worst part of the movie was carnage some how having the ability to hack into a random gas station laptop and find where his girlfriend also within 5 seconds
Why is that so bad? He’s Carnage, you’re surprised that he can hack into a computer but the fact that he can scale a building with ease isn’t surprising ?
I love the first movie; it's genuinely hilarious with how bad it is and how seriously it tries to take itself. It's not winning any Oscars, but man is it a good time with some drinks and friends.
I was so hyped when carnage was in the trailer I was like HOLY SHIT BALLS THERES GOING TO BE SO MUCH GORE! unlike the 1st movie but I celebrated too soon
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This ain't no "Carnage", this is just "mild bodily harm"
"Men Bouncing Off Walls (bloodless)"
tis but a scratch
This comment right here officer: it perfectly describes why the movie feels off
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My favorite part was when Venom goes "We could use sound to stop him" then immediately slaps the person with sound powers off a balcony
That was to make her scream as she fell down the tower. Made total sense.
Yeah but it's because he knew there was a bell behind her.
that part made me laugh bc she LOOKED like she was gunna. scream but he just fucking threw him
@@bandaidgirlcos That's the thing. She had just learned that carnage planned to kill her and that Cletus was fighting to get out. She would've yelled at him for surw
@@donniejefferson9554 YEAH and it would have completed her character arc and would have been so fucking cool that was the only part i was like “that’s shit”
The fact that it feels short and clean instead of long and gory makes me hope for a director’s cut where it’s literal carnage and rated r or rated 18+
There has to be a scene where carnage fucking murders everyone in the room. I was so disappointed when he breaks free as it doesn’t look like he’s killing the guards but jsut throwing them…
not every movie needs a directors cut
They admitted at least with the scene in the prison where Carnage tongued that guard to death, the original was way more brutal so they were told they had to cut it and make it less violent.... I'm sad : ( An R rating wouldve been nice
@@Rickdegraaf ofc, but this one definitely do
PG-13 is every anti-hero's worst nightmare
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Imagine..... The Punisher Rebooted in PG-13
i thought the woody harrellson and tom hardy 28 minute make out scene was a bit long, but otherwise pretty good film
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Carnage: "We're gonna kill you FATHER!"
Priest: "What!?!"
Carnage: "NOT YOU!" *5 minutes later* "Power-up!"
Yeah that made no sense
@@LavaHawk4 Nope, it was just a joke.
@@samir_rod a lame joke
I'll let you eat everyone!
Priest: huh!?
NOT HIM
@@LavaHawk4 I don't get why it doesn't make sense. At the start Carnage didn't think to kill the father, but when he was fighting against Venom and struggling, he killed him for the power
The pg-13 rating is holding this series back. Deadpool already proved that a R rating wouldn’t affect sales that much.
and besides, in 5 years those 13 year olds will be 18. get some of that late-game money.
oh and another besides, like being 13 ever stopped anybody from seeing an R rated movie if they tried hard enough.
Sales would be through the roof dude, way better than their numbers now for sure
Its part or the mcu now so probably not gonna happen 🤷♀️
the next Spider-Man movie will probably be an even bigger cluster fuck than the amazing Spider-Man 2 lmao
@@miguelnewmexico8641 TRUE LMAO I SNUCK IN W/MY FRIENDS
@@zac-1 spider man works as pg-13. I’m not expecting Peter Parker to say the f word or get into adult situations, he’s just a teenager. Something like wolverine, Deadpool, and venom should have a mature rating. Luckily, they learned that with logan and we got a classic.
Theres something very disappointing about not seeing Carnage rip people to actual shreds in the most gory and visceral way possible
same :(
I bet originally it would’ve been. In fact, if I recall, this trilogy was originally announced as being R rated. But at some point the Venom team knew there was a strong likelihood of a merger into the MCU. For that reason they had to scale back on the intensity.
It did miss Cletus Cassidy’s pure deviancy
Avi Arad is the one responsible for like, at least 50% of these problems.
@@detroid_ntr26 of course he's Jewish
Kind of weird that his biggest weakness in the end is that Cletus and Carnage weren't connected enough. Carnage and Cletus are typically depicted as so in sync that any other people who use the carnage symbiote end up acting like Cletus. Norman Osborn (Green Goblin) was even 100% convinced he was Cletus after using the symbiote. Those two are probably the most connected symbiote pair out there and this movie really missed that
I'm glad someone else noticed this too.
Eddie pointing out that they weren't symbiotic gave me psychic damage cause the one thing Cletus and Eddie have in common is the fact that they're perfectly symbiotic with their symbiotes.
Thing is, Carnage was hurting his “one sunshine”
@@Id_have_all_birds_in_zoos Kind of weird that they included that too. Seems more like carnage and cletus should be each other's sunshine
@@donniejefferson9554 yeah. I guess they needed it for an important flaw later
I just find it funny that Carnage, a symbiote made red from Cassidy's own blood and known for tearing his victims entrails out, is given a PG-13 rating. It's like Wolverine all over again.
Well wolverine had 2 pg-13 movies and one third and final r-rated one, so maybe they'll follow the trend
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Man those PG13 X-Men movies were god-tier compering to this disappointment. From writing and Action/choreography these venom Movies are no match for the X-Men titles that were rated PG13
@@aligoudarzi3724 Days of future past is a masterpiece.
@@Us3r739 yeah man yes indeed
Carnage biting off the guy's head and saying "power up" was probably the most goofy, Joss Whedon shit I've ever heard
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@@lanarhoades7053 it’s Lana rhoades guys I’m shitting
Only OG’s will know that this comment said that this moment was “the worst part of the movie” 😂
I heard someone say that the way the movie was put together at the end felt like a TH-camr edited it to avoid copyright strike 💀
Kinda, it was jumping back and forth a lot. Some parts just looked like they were missing
This 2nd movie is weird, venom being too annoying and the weird cuts. It feels like a kids show. Kinda wished dc make the movie.
@@mal4797 What? Venom isnt a dc character that doesnt make sense
@@boofman0486 Venom cracked my too many jokes in this movie, felt like WAY more than the first one. Honestly got very tiring, and his jokes were terrible
Yeah I feel like this movie would’ve benefited being rated R so much… seeing how cut the first one was I was so surprised to hear this one was going to be PG 13 as well. Feels like a missed opportunity to express the characters better
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I feel like most cape-shit movies would be good with a higher age rating but marvel will never do that because they want money from every demographic. I want another R super hero movie like wolverine or deadpool
@@DragonTamer31K Fox get's the shit done, they did amazing with Days of Future Past and First Class, Logan and Deadpool is far better than any other MCU movies, look at Joker from DC, R rated movies can make more money if done right, Sony doesn't see that.
Typical sony
@@jackbrian2993 The only thing I trust sony with now is electronics and the studios that they hire for games. Although Fox is doing well with some of their movies, they need to cool it down with the super people we already know too well. We need either a lobo movie or a new Punisher movie (maybe Thomas Jane)
Carnage is literally defined by the carnage he indulges in. Blood and gore is an expectation, and without that, Carnage just isn't the same
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Just deal with it
@@juanurena87 no
yeah it felt weird. decent movie for me. but not great
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There's something disappointing about Cletus caring for someone other than himself and Carnage. In the comics, he doesn't care for anyone and if he does happen to side with someone else, he kills them in the end anyway with no remorse.
That's not the same with Shriek tho. From what I know,they eventually team up as well as be a love interest in one another in some comics(one that Ik is carnage vs deadpool). I dont see it as disappointing,but definitely..."unique" and rare for the character.
@@Knightfall-rb7md yet she willingly gets her spine ripped out by carnage, emphasizing carnages disability to actually have a relationship with anything or anyone
No matter how much they'd agree on something, at one point or another carnage WILL go for the kill
@@h.k.2368 that was from maximum carnage,right? Or some other comic,I cant remember. I have to read it to understand why he killed her again,but I doubt it was just because he simply wanted to. Or maybe it's just different for the character in some different universes like almost every comic book character,who knows anymore🤷♂️
@@Knightfall-rb7md ye its in max. But yeah, obviously he didn't kill her just because, but it's just the fact that he does it like it's nothing.
Their whole relationship is based on mass murder and chaos, even the most in tune couple cannot last forever with a craze like that
Therefore adding to the point that carnage cannot give less of a fuck
Its just the way things go mah dude
What are you reading? Carnage cares for shriek. A recent example was carnage vs Deadpool. He killed shriek on accident and was somewhat traumatized cuz he loved her dearly
Carnage being PG-13 is literally a crime against humanity.
Carnage being PG-13 is a blessing for humanity and a crime against Carnage if you get what I mean
Blood doesn't make a movie better
Ugh, I Know!
@@royal4908 It does if blood, brutality, and gore is essential to the character
@@royal4908 when it's about carnage it does tho, like, HELLO
CARNAGE'S ENTIRE CHARACTER IS BASED ON BEING A CRAZED MURDERER WHO KILLS PEOPLE IN HORRIFYING, GOREY WAYS, like yeah if you add blood to some movies, like idk the lego movie, it oesn't make it better, but you CAN'T make a villain that is based around blood and death be pg 13 because it takes away from the character
We need a more violent version of the film where Carnage legitimately rips and tears people until it is done.
Bro, go away, i cant see you again, im going nuts, please, im scared.
I'd pay actual money to see that, also get ready for the bombardment of bots
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I also really want to see a directors cut of the original movie because I heard from somewhere that they had to get rid of over an hour of scenes probably to make the movie pg-13 but thats probably why the end product feels so rushed
I wish they embraced the aspect of the comics where Eddie's shitty life and hatred actually fuels venom so he uses killing criminals as an outlet for his rage. Their emotions are supposed to fuel eachother.
exactly, that's the whole point of it being called a symbiote
I think they can learn from Logan as far as pushing the “R” rating.
they made deadpool movies....
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Still waiting for a proper R rated X-Men movie with the blue team. The trilogy didn't cut it for me.
reaper no ones cares about dead pool
No, money number 1
I wish they had gone rated R and made this a horror movie. Cletus and Carnage have massive potential to be the stars of a monster movie, especially with Carnage's sound design for when he was introduced.
That should've been the original idea for the first movie. Imagine The thing + Alien horror style for Venom.
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But they're in it for the money, more public access=more tickets sold
And if this Venom was related to something very gruesome they wouldntve made him connect with Tom Holland Disney-Spiderman
Yeah i kinda hate how they keep forcing comedy into the film, it just seems like another mcu film, corny and cringe comedy and dialogue. Carnage and Venom are absolute vicious in the comics, it would’ve been amazing to see that on screen. Hopefully they learn to make the third one R rated because the franchise will be better and will be benefited greatly for these type of characters
@Ace G it's not a goofy comedy either, yet that's what makes a profit I guess
I loved the part where Carnage's fingers could download a powerpoint which looked like it was done by a 13 year old to show Shriek's location.
I'm watching the movie with family and I came online to make sure I didn't hallucinate that scene. 😔
the movie is only 97 minutes which is what like a pixar movie usually is, it was missing about 45 minutes of content/context for a better story for cassidy
@SS S honestly, some scenes I laughed out loud because it felt like they cut something. There was a scene where they showed carnage about to stab venom and they randomly jump cutted. But another scene they kept it in I was very confused on wtf was going on
The movie was good but it went way too fast
@@IIiiiLiiOiiIii the final fight needed some fixing
Maybe not 45 minutes but yea. A little extra time or take some of the action out or just add a few minutes of carnage stuff.
The movie would’ve gotten a 100% if the Eminem song was the Venom song, but him repeating Carnage over and over again instead of Venom.
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He doesn't repeat venom in the song. It says it only 8 times throughout the whole thing. People always think that for some reason.
Since it was pg13 they should’ve just changed his name from Carnage to Tomfoolery
Or mild conflict
Shenanigans
Mild bodily harm
I really don't get why studios are afraid to go with the R rating. Did they learn nothing from Joker, Deadpool or Logan?
I really hope more comic movies and shows start heading towards r ratings. As it can be so good for them!!
Or suicide squad 2
@@LordMorpheus Especially ones that focus on the dark side of a character or a much more deeper side of a character and not just action, especially since with anti-heroes you can get wild with them just like villains.
@@darthvader4339 yup I love anti hero characters so much. they usually do well with r ratings, but not every company wnats to do that. That's why I'm a bit exicted but scared for moonknight tv series and what disney will rate it
rated r movies WILL ALWAYS be much deeper and thoughtful movies b cuz directors has no limitations. deadpool is great bcuz its made for deadpool fans and its made as deadpool movie should be made, same with JOKER and THE BOYS series. unfortunately VENOM is not made as it should : dark, grim, sometimes funny but overall mysterious (venom hates other symbiotes and wants to understand EARTH), they made it "EHKHMM LETS MAKE VENOM BUT WATCH OUT, DONT OFFEND ANYONE, DONT SCARE ANYONE" ...
something about this movie just felt weird to me, I can't describe it
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I felt the same way. The entire thing was fun and goofy, but those things feel weird in venom movie that has a dark tone and dark charcters. Its a weird mix.
Bruh you Watch Charlie?
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I really enjoyed the prison escape scene with carnage. I was really full of suspense in that moment. But I do feel it definitely would have benefited from an R rating.
Carnage is one of the most evil and brutal villians in the marvel universe, having a PG Carnage movie is more absurd than a PG Deadpool movie.
Just deal with it
@@juanurena87 No
@@juanurena87 no
No sir, PG deadpool movie would literally confirm that we are living in the worst possible multiverse ever
@@elpidaguy Remember that 'Deadpool' in the Wolverine movie? We've always been in the worst possible multi verse.
The end credit scene gives me hope that for the future, Tom Hardy's Venom won't need to worry about trying to forcefully continue the "meh" story of Venom 1 & 2 and can focus a lot more on them being the "Lethal Protector".
The end credit scene actually disappointed me because SPOILERS!!!!!!! him being in the MCU opposite of Tom Holand spiderman is sure to be even goofy PG nonsense than these last 2 movies were.
@YeaMan if you were you'd at least know how to spell god damn
I still want the standalone Venom movies though alongside his upcoming stuff though
ironic given marvels current meh story especially spidermans but hey when you are at the bottom the only way is up hopefully
@@ricram7267 I think they're better than meh, but we all got our own opinions.
At the very least the writing should be way better than the last two Standalone movies.
I like how midway through the movie venom just decides that he’s going to start cussing and shit
They are legit ruining Venom movies by not making it R rated. Even Tom Hardy Complained that his favorite scene was removed cause of rating.
They don't care necessarily about the people who want it rated R they get more money from the more diverse audience of pg-13 the movie would of been better if it was rated R but they would rather have more money
release the Hardy Cut!
@@drpepper2519 Didn't R rated comic book movies like 'Joker' and 'Logan' do EXTREMELY well tho?
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 they did do well but they did well with the adult comic fans, realistically this venom movie will most likely make more money than those movies because the amount of people going will be increases due to younger kids going
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 especially because they are trying to tie in venom with the mcu Spiderman and it would be hard to have alot of blood and gore in a mcu Spiderman movie
Honestly they could’ve just cut out the gf entirely and fucking had like 3 carnage vs venom fights all leading up w venom finally being able to beat carnage after losing basically a fucking movie
@Lotus robot. interesting strategy though. but robot.
I am so so sick of Superhero movies being "Hero vs Villain who has basically the same powers as Hero". Its absurd just how common this is
@@TheMightofDab RIGHT they really didn’t showcase how venom and carnage differ venom being blunt and less brutal while carnage is there for bloodbaths hypnotizing people and wayyyyyyy more
To me, the beginning was jsut wayyyy to rushed. They pushed the entirety of Cleetus’ backstory in the span of like 3 minutes.
Carnage was the only Marvel villain I was actually scared of as a kid. Gutted we didn't get an 18 rated movie with him.
Edit, wow this blew up. I haven't seen the film yet btw but I will 100% be watching it when I can. Stay safe everyone :)
Yeah. I used to collect comics and I have Carnage #1 It's a beautiful life I think it was called. Basically some therapist/psychologist enter Carnage/Kletus' thoughts. There was a scene where there was a pile of dead Spider-Men, some hanging from a noose and Carnage keeps cutting them in half, guts and all spilling out. Yeah, It's probably the goriest (fucking spell check changed it to horniest, lol) comic I own.
Yeah agreed people said that It can be good without an R Rating but that’s just false. We all know Venom 1 and 2 would’ve been WAY better if it was R Rated.
I really wanted that as well, the only downfall wouldve been that my friends and I would’ve needed to sneak into the movie or lie about our ages since we’re all 13 - 15 lmao. Our parents are all busy, and we don’t really want an adult to watch with us.
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Spiderman on PS1, that fucking final stage when Carnage Ock chases you used to terrify me. Carnage is legit one of the few comic book villains that really comes across as disturbing but he needs to be aimed towards a more adult market.
Charlie's acting skills are impeccable "we're not stopping! and I'M gonna shut you up!" "I'm water in a toilet, Eddie"😂
I really just want a venom and Eddie series of just them in their daily life they're both so fun together
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@@ryanred1525someone doesn’t like slice of life
Coming 2024 Venom 3
I thought when Shriek said “you’re going too far” or whatever she’d scream and harm Carnage enough to weaken him and Eddie would finish him somehow, but instead she starts screaming and Venom knocks her off the church killing her. If they were making her have this sudden change of heart I thought they’d redeem her character and make her a good guy, considering she just helped Venom/Eddie.
Good, dont want monkeys in my movies anyways
read it as Shrek. don't regret it.
Yeah It thought she's gonna help venom
I think it was a funny joke that she was going to do that but Venom didn’t care or notice and just killed her anyways
I didn't get what was up with that. Also the bell just landed on top of her, but it's yknow, a bell..? So isn't she just inside of it?? Might just be the PG-13 but it felt like a super weird way to "kill" her off.
Also in the comics, Cletus/Carnage as well as Shriek very much see more action than this arc, they're recurring antagonists for many, many years, Shriek first appearing in 1993 then just now dying (who knows if temporarily or permanent) in 2019. Are they really gone for good? Hopefully we can see them Rated R in the future.
But it's the MCU and they only have so much time to spend on characters, so who knows.
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Also Charlie: "It sucked"
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@@coreosad2261 this comments true
@YeaMan learn how to spell, dude.
I fully agree with the need for an R Rating...it's Wolverine all over again...
Slap a PG rating on a character that has blades coming out from between his knuckles...you get a mediocre The Wolverine.
Fully indulge into the character and give the movie an R rating with a mature story, gruesome violence and good writing...and you get the masterpiece that is Logan.
First Venom was a 3/10 for me, just because of Tom Hardy and his banter with Venom.
I haven't seen this one yet, but given it's 1h30 and has PG...I expect it'll be the same, maybe just maybe a 5/10 6/10 because Woody Harrelson is also in it.
Blood really wouldn't have changed a lot the character itself is the problem carnage doesnt feel like a killer that is superior hes just not really that intimidating i guess Blood wouldn't have changed that
@@okok-sk2zq Yea honestly nothing couldve saved this movie. It was doomed the moment it was planned since Sony was behind it. Sony is incapable of making good use of its Marvel characters
Charlie is an unbiased entity who is free to change his opinion.
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Wtf these bots
@Monke You people act like he's special or that he's never wrong or even that he's not flawed!
The thing that was cool about Carnage as a character, was that he was so bonded with his symbiote, that he didnt use "We". He was one character, not Cletus Kasady + Carnage.
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Yeah, i was kinda confused how they completely flipped that dynamic for the movie-- they kept parts like how the transformation into Carnage is full body vs just coming out as a suit, but then he lost because their bond wasn't strong
They should've made a R rated version that will come out on DVD or whatever, that would be awesome honestly.
The PG-13 rating sounds like it’s the biggest detriment for these movies, it’s unfortunate because I really really thought it was going to be R when first announced
It was supposed to be, but sony actively searches the internet to find out what fans want and then only give them the exact opposite
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@@carlmccartney1025 That sounds about right to me. Seriously though, this isn’t exactly a family movie. They would definitely have a bigger demographic if they went R18+, but somehow the executives or whoever still think lower rating = more audience. It’s a real shame
You are an idiot. They CAN make a violent movie with PG-13. You know the dark knight and the quiet place? They are both violent gruesome movies and guess what?? They 👏 were 👏 both 👏 PG 👏 13 👏
I thought it was a good move to focus on character rather than plot, I thought it made it more enjoyable than the first. If they punched up the plot some, it certainly would’ve made it better, but I felt this one was still an improvement.
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cletus kasady should have been more like hannibal lector from silence of the lambs, calm and unnerving but when carnage comes out, it becomes pure chaos
This movie really brought back the venom hype
really
Not really
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 It did for me. Then I learned it was half baked sadly.
@@BarcelonaBlitzer movie was overall disappointing as expected it was a good movie but it had so much more potential considering once of the most anticipated villains from the comics was finally coming to the screen. They fucked up bad
@@poppychalupa9390 That’s a bummer to hear.. Figures.
Just didn't understand Cassidy having love with his GF. Man legit snapped his puppy 🐶 as a kid lol
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It is normal for most
psychopaths to have an obsession with something, including some people, so that "love" isn't, in fact, true love. I hope I helped to understand (But yes, probably the writers didn't thought on it)
So spoilers ahead just an FYI.
my two cents I guess. The whole conflict with Eddie and venom I think was really cliche with the dynamic duo having an argument, leaving, realizing they’re co-dependent, and join forces again.
I personally wasent satisfied with the death of Cassidy because it felt like venom killed another goon because I never felt bad or attached to Cassidy in any way much less his girlfriend, yeah we heard his tragic backstory but it was so underwhelming with the animated letter type thing.
Carnage was definitely kept in a box, especially in the ending fight scene: like Charlie said with the off screen murder really made carnage watered down too much, like the prison scene they really just scratched the surface with carnage and his ability so the ending fight just seem dull and lifeless. Again with another cliche of “oh the bad guy has us totally beat”
“No he doesn’t because we’re a team”
Just another nit picky thing venom was complaining the Eddie about how carnage “is a red one” and he’s over powered yet doesn’t explain why or how.
Anyways thanks for reading this far if you did.
I kinda wish they'd make directors cuts of the venom movies where they're r rated this time that'd be so awesome to watch
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Release the venom cut
So, it wasn’t really that you missed it, just that it wasn’t really _clear_ :
She was talking about Carnage’s literal size when she’s like “Baby, that’s too big; you gotta tell him to stop.”
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I would've love to have venom struggle to keep up with carnage throughout the film, having their first battle end in a loss for venom and make the final battle worth it rather than killing off carnage the first time they actually meet.
Venom. Is kind of a wildcard man.
Even in the comics. He's a "hero" or atleast being an alien he seems to thinks so. He's even saved Aunt may once I believe.
I think they're just Bipolar.
They should make rated r scene where he succeeds in biting peters head off and then strange brings him back with magic 😈😈😈😈
I took my younger brother to see this last night. Thought it was hilarious that everyone cares more about Venom than Eddie. But that battle at the end was confusingly good. Also Woody Harrelson just channeled his 2012 character.
He was so good in 2012 lmao
Didn’t mention the post credits scene which is pretty surprising. It’s the most important part of the movie
Yes indeed
Really? What was it? Did they introduce Toxic or something?
@@arcanonn he got transported to the MCU
@@arcanonn SPOILER: Mysterios broadcast revealing Peter Parker is Spiderman is played on a TV and Venom licks the screen. Seemed very forced to me, but I guess it's the implications of where the universe goes.
@@drrickmarshall1191 Well at least they had venom banter with eddie saying how big the universe is and hinted at being with someone before eddie, refrencing spidey, and then he sees spiderman on tv and licks it. So they are establishing that venom did know spiderman, i think, right? Cus when they were on the bed in the hotel room, i forget exactly what venom said but it seemed like he was hinting that he was with peter parker before eddie brock.
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“All I ever wanted was your friendship” Huh?
No one is going to talk about the scene where venom was at a party dropping mics
i don't know what he's talking about, that water in a toilet monologue he just made up was the best thing ever. robably because he's such a legendary actor that he could execute that line so well
I agree, the movie is fun the people that think it’s "disappointing" or something are putting expectations and complaining for something that isn’t there
@@bonnefetebaby8234 as much as I enjoyed this movie, there was a lot of flaws to it, mainly the PG-13 restrictions and its duration time
@@bonnefetebaby8234 the movie is ass. Y’all just don’t got standards.
@@eem2wavy133 Wouldn't say it's ass either. It's average.
@@miguelthekewlkid272 it’s not average it’s ass
i feel like charlie could make millions of dollars, and still wear his white t-shirt. what a legend
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Or not..he loved terminator dark fate
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See I don't mind the PG-13 rating, but they should've built up the story more because there really are ways to work around that rating and the writers DID smooth out edges with the banter but not the build up between Venom and Eddie or Carnage and how that was caused. They do not flesh them out until the fight scenes and it feels more like 'Oh we're fighting now? We're friends because of this.' and it's very one dimensional..
This movie is like PG-13 рoгn, where you just see a montage of pizza deliveries and nothing else happens. So you just left extremely confused and put your tutu back on.
Most relatable comment I’ve ever read
Tutu lmao
@@Goblin-King- you're not old enough
Sad the only "kills" they really showed was him stomping the cashier, the one cop, and warden.
Venom killed cletus at the end
@@ozone4913 I was talking about Carnage's kills
Don’t forget the priest
@@chromeheartscowboy true, you right
And the truck on the bay bridge
I was a little confused when Woody Harrelson emerges from Carnage, looks directly at the Camera, and says "Re-elect Trump you fucking cowards"
I'm not even in the US, thought a scene like that would be cut for the international release
Also the part where Eddie tries to transform with Carnage but then he says "oh yeah that’s right mine's not red" and go back to Venom. Funniest shit I’ve ever seen
Wait what? I don’t remember that from the film
The post-credits where Eddie is seen talking with this short figure in the shadows about how they should gather the *"Tomar Emeralds"*
I mean, i don't think it belongs in this saga, but whatever
@@andreyleonel255 ohhh gotcha, I didn’t end up staying that long when I saw it, thanks
@@andreyleonel255 Venom 3: The Reckoning of Tomartopia
I miss the days when Venom and Carnage were actual scary, at or at the very least, intimidating characters
I genuinely cant take these guys seriously anymore, and it sucks
Hopefully, Spider-Man PS5 does Venom and/or Carnage justice
Venom was always intimidating and Carnage is scary, I mean a literal super powered serial killer. Also I Don't know about the PS5 game, seems like they are going more in the Ultimate universe direction.
@@Gatorade69 carnage and venom weren't scary at all lmao
@@yeetus5474 In the comics, carnage is.
@@aaron-jeffreyrincon9438 yes but we’re talking about this garbage of a movie
@@yeetus5474 Ahhh gotcha
Just the scene where Cletus gets pissed for Shriek Literally killing carnage showed me that they were gonna butcher his character
Cleatus was done well for the most part. Carnage and the Symbiotic relationship is terrible. A couple changes I would have made:
1.) Remove the pity party part of the movie. That is not who Kassidy is and its just weird.
2.) Fletch out the screamer and give her a personality
3.) At the wedding scene the most Carnage thing I can thing of is something like what happened in Carnage USA. Force a bunch of hostages to watch the wedding, make them do something grotesque like pulling teeth for the ring.
4.) Give the Symbiote more dialogue and make it actually disturbing like saying "Yummy" in that crazy ass voice when he kills someone instead of this 2 bit mobster that he sounded like.
5.) No killing off screen.
Overall I see Kletus and Carnage as 2 sides of the same coin. Kletus is the cold and calculated killer while the symbiote is like his primal instincts if that makes sense
@@omnipotantsaibot5845 so make it R rated
@@darkshat3077 Yes that too
@@omnipotantsaibot5845 Also Carnage’s voice should be higher pitched. His voice in the movie just felt like a weird copy of Venom’s voice.
@@Remix-pr4xd Exactly
The moment I heard Venom called himself a loser in the first one I immediately hated the directors and writers and had no confidence or care to watch Let there be Carnage. I'm glad Charlie calls it without soying out for no reason, Good work man.
I mean, goofy and weird has been Venom's whole shtick for like 25 years in the comic book so it makes sense that they'd adapt the character faithfully. If you don't like or know the character that well that's fine, but at the core level I don't think there's anything wrong with faithfully adapting the weird shit and awkward, goofy tone of the source material directly.
This Venom is probably based off late 90's, early 2000's Venom. He was pretty wacky in some comics
I think that these movies could have some decent potential if they were to ever be “rebooted” like with the suicide squad, even if they weren’t able to change much, I think that the R rating would fit these movies miles better than the original. The first one wasn’t terrible, I enjoyed it, but I feel that R would fit Venom’s somewhat edgy antihero persona better
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Here’s the thing, I was a fan of the first venom movie. However, after seeing the second one, I was worried that it would actually get panned negatively… but after looking at the reviews it seems that people enjoyed it more because of the silliness, and actually….after thinking about it…it was actually really nice to have a a movie that was short and packed with just enough action and humor that didn’t require too much thinking…
TLDR: it didn’t take itself too seriously, it was entertaining, doesn’t require a lot of thinking (like every freaking marvel movie) and help set up more stuff for the future.
@SS S you seem like a very reasonable and level headed person
When do marvel movies ever require a lot of thinking?
@SS S tl;dr, didn’t ask, ratio plus you’re white
The story suffered however because of that, a movie can't jist get a pass for adding humor and action.
@Edward Bolton Most Marvel movies don't require thinking. And if they do, it's a small amount. If you're tripping over trying to understand basic Marvel movies, then I wonder how you'll handle the REALLY morally complex movies.
I thought they will explain a bit more about Carnage. I went to see it with my girlfriend and after the movie she was like "So the red guy was Venoms son? Why were they fighting and what's special about him being red?"
you see charlie, venom: let there be carnage isn't an action movie with two much banter and not enough fighting, but rather an emotional coming out story with an epic battle and beachside honeymoon
LOL sounds like trash. But hey tribalism amirite? People like the movie suddenly because they heard there was a gay relationship. Before that nobody gave 2 fucks about it. Pandering is how movies are made now.
@@maybeitsyou1317 have you read any of the venom comics before??? they literally call each other my love a lot
@@gavriellarutigliano2356 No I haven't I know venom from cartoons and video games. Still doesn't change the fact the public at large didn't give 2 shits about the movie till they heard it was brave and stunning.
Im not even saying it's bad or don't go see it. Im saying to me it sounds bad. And just observing the way this played out was interesting to me. For me the most interesting thing in the movie was Carnage being played by Woody.
@@maybeitsyou1317 what the hell is wrong with you?
@@miguelnewmexico8641 Problem?
God I wish "I'm water in a toilet, Eddie" was a real quote in the movie
I wish Morbius came in and said, "It's MORBIN time." and helped Venom crushed Carnage. That would've made it the most movie ever.
The end credit scene tho that’s what made the movie crazy. I’m surprised Charlie didn’t mention it tho
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Somewhat of a spoiler but
When Shriek says "that's hot" to cleetus turning into carnage that was the point where I was jut like "huh...they know their target audience"
The reasoning for the sudden change of motive in carnages gf was because she is madly in love with carnage and she can see how much eddie and anne love each other and knows that was the whole reason she was so upset about being in jail for years
Carnage is one of my favorite comic villains. Wish he'd get an R rated movie
For a movie with a villain called carnage he only kills like 2 maybe 3 people. And we also don't see the deaths venom really needs a R rating to work. And making venom a hero is also part of the issue as well.
"For a movie with a villain called carnage he only kills like 2 maybe 3 people"
Were we watching the same movie? Lmao
@@johnnyboi8684 A lot of the killing from carnage is just off screen and when they are on screen they always cut away. And Cassidy says he’s going to get out and cause carnage but he only says it and doesn’t actually go out on a killing rampage.
My favourite part about the movie was the secret ending when Venom saw Spiderman on the TV for the first time in 20 years.
I agree with Charlie here. The first movie was Eddie and venom learning how to work together. And the second movie was venom and Eddie learning how to exist with each other. Now that both of these hurdles have been overcome. Eddie and now know how to coexist and work together efficiently, hopefully leading to the next movie to blow the first two out of the water.
Kinda like the first two Spider-Man films now that I think about it.
I saw an IGN headline that said that the new venom “is good, but not great” and I couldn’t agree more
Honestly I feel like the movie needed an extra 30 minutes to flesh it out.
I hope to god there is some kind of "snyder cut" of carnage, something to give all of this potential some meaning
Everything in the movie happened so fast that when it finished and I exited I literally needed to clear my mind and make sense.
Only thing I liked about this movie was that one scene where Carnage tells us what movie we are watching on the tower. That was legit awesome
I want an entire 10 hour movie with Eddie and venom argueing on why ocean is soup
Carnage should do what his name implies he does, but there was almost none of it.
I mean the part where he breaks a bunch of people out of prison and murders cops doesn’t invoke at least a little carnage? What about when he brings down all the helicopters surrounding him and using the car as a podium to destroy everything. I’d say they delivered on the carnage but an R rating would’ve enhanced it.
@@bernielomax6226 no. Carnage needs blood. Gore. Carnage literally eats people. He tears people to shreds and paints the walls with their blood. Throwing a couple guys around and biting their heads off off screen isn't good enough.
@@pizzaguy8844 he literally ate spiderman's child in one of the comics (or possesed him i don't really remember that right)
I was howling in the theater when carnage bit the priest’s head off and said “power up” lmfao
Really hoped to see this movie be a bad guy vs bad guy scenario and actually have gore and stuff but with Sony I'm just left wondering what it would look like.
I mean every f studio is obsessed with pg 13 rating , I hate this . Wish they would not just force movies to be pg 13
@@muqxxt yeah like the kids they want to watch this movie won't go home to play violent video games or watch graphic content. PG-13 or not kids know how to distinguish reality from fiction (unless they use TikTok then they lost)
I mean Venom was never really a "Bad Guy." He was a villain of Spider-Man because the Symbiote was jealous Peter Rejected it and Eddy Brock hated Peter. Venom just wanted revenge against Spider-Man. He has mostly always been an anti-hero, especially after Spider-Man and Venom made a truce.
Venom is my favorite character in marvel and I wish they didn't make it PG13 because they don't show off fully how animalistic venom and carnage is
In an interview Tom and Andy said they made the film pg13 and not as graphic so everyone could watch and enjoy it "even grandma can go"😂 I wish they would've done the pg13 AND offered an unrated version. It'd be a lot cooler if they did.
The end credits scene was the best part of the movie
Although I liked this movie a lot more than the first, here’s my problems with it:
-It should have been rated R cuz it felt like Carnage held back a lot
-Carnage’s voice shouldn’t have been so deep and should have acted more “joker” like
-They made carnage and Cletus not as compatible as Venom and Brock when in the comics it’s the opposite
Otherwise, I loved it.
Carnage's voice is perfect especially when he screams
It felt like the directors were trying to give ghoosebumps.
SPOILER: the worst part of the movie was carnage some how having the ability to hack into a random gas station laptop and find where his girlfriend also within 5 seconds
that's what I was thinking when I saw it
that part sucked but it was far from the worst part of the movie
That's litterally in the comics kid,
Why is that so bad? He’s Carnage, you’re surprised that he can hack into a computer but the fact that he can scale a building with ease isn’t surprising ?
@@gojigiante umm yeah ? did you just compare a monster scaling a building to somehow magically being able to control the internet?
I love the first movie; it's genuinely hilarious with how bad it is and how seriously it tries to take itself. It's not winning any Oscars, but man is it a good time with some drinks and friends.
I loved when Woody Harrelson said, "I'm like water in a toilet, Eddie! I'm Toilet-Water Cletus!"
I thought it was pretty fun and I loved finally getting to see carnage in the theaters. Though I do agree of most of your points.
I was so hyped when carnage was in the trailer I was like HOLY SHIT BALLS THERES GOING TO BE SO MUCH GORE! unlike the 1st movie but I celebrated too soon
same bro, I wasnt even in it for the gore, I just wanted to see an unstoppable mass tearing through the city in every direction
If they want to sell tickets so bad, they should just make a T rated cut for theaters and release the M rated cut to the market
Spot the gamer
@@Jupiterninja95 Sorry whahah, used to the ESRB system, which is also for games
Just Wait for the directors cut…
This movie would’ve benefited from a longer run time, great movie nonetheless.
Yeah it felt a little short
mediocre*
Great is a massive exaggeration. It was decent at best.
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 nah yall just expect every movie to be godly it was a great movie
@@IAmFleek That's not true at all. You people just throw the word great around like it's nothing.