The Real Reason EV Haters Are So Successful
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- People ask me all the time, 'what can we do to challenge the EV haters?' And it's great that people want to, as there is so much misinformation - deliberate or otherwise - out there. But the reality is far more complicated. So to find out whether we CAN take on EV hater, or even whether we should, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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I am regularly asked about my Tesla by ICE drivers and you can see many are coming around, two of my neighbours have recently purchased EV’s despite both being what was called “petrol heads”. I was having a meal out the other day and the restaurant owner asked me about the Tesla 1st question as always range my response how far do you drive every week? He replied 250-300 miles, i replied same as me about £5 a week to run, what about long journeys? How many children or elderly people do you carry how often do you stop? Him “Oh about 2hrs max” well same as me and in the time i have been to toilet got a drink or whatever reason i had to stop there is more than enough charge to get me to my destination or next stop. You could hear the gears clicking and he said you are the 3rd EV driver who has given me the same answers it is really making me think about changing to EV. He currently runs a sporty 5 series so it just goes to show that slowly the effects of actual experience will convince people to consider if an EV is right for them.
There is a psychological component to this. People are more risk averse, than they are willing to make an effort. They will put more energy into avoiding a loss than to make a gain. So the mind naturally puts more importance on the negative statements about EVs, than the positive. " Oh, it does 300 miles on a charge - so what, it will burst into flames." "It's a much better driving experience - so what, you can't charge it anywhere." "The maintenance costs are much lower - so what, the battery only lasts 5 years, and costs £15,000 to replace..."
The Auto (ICE) Industry, and Big Oil know this, so with a few million spent (pocket change to them) on spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about EVs, they can influence a large part of society to have negative views of EVs...
Worked in the oil and gas industry for 33 years, there is no such thing as Big Oil…..only in EVangelists heads I’m afraid.
I just tent to ignore them. I'm driving BEV since 2014 and know better
I rode around(electric bike) looking at charge points in Blackpool Today as our next car is going to be an EV. I was at the charging point and someone was paying for parking and I said I was looking to see charge points, I aked if he had EV, He said mine is over there Its great I won't change (not on charge as it had enogh charge in it), Another person came over and told me about how bad they were , I said have you got one or had one, he said no I wouldn't want one, I just laughed at him and rode off
He doesn’t have to get one. It’s a free country. He can use the bus 😜
@@truebrit3670 The new electric bus ? 😬
If everyone tries to fill their petrol or diesel cars at the same time, it can lead to complete chaos and fuel shortages. The fact is, not everyone needs to fill up their cars at the same time. The same principle applies to electric vehicles.
….And the hob on your cooker. And the number of till staff in Tesco. 😄
@@truebrit3670 there wont be any staff in Tesco they will all be out Charging their cars all at the same time 😆
Yes at 4000+cars per filling site there would be a bit of an issue
Exactly! Ever been in a hurricane evacuation in Florida? I have -- long lines for a fill up or no gasoline at all.
So you think that vehicles that can fill much faster and can travel further on their tank of fuel will have the same issues as those that take way longer to fill and can't go as far then?
Why do we not see lines of ICE vehicles lined up to refuel during peak holiday times like we do with EVs?
I know I should ignore them BUT I can’t help myself. There is not point ‘correcting the people who comment on the clickbait grifters sites, as they just keep repeating the same misinformation and lies. Rebut their comments with facts they just come back , very often, with smeary name calling. Again, childish me, end up calling them Luddites.
Agreed, many EV haters resort to rude or abusive language when they loose the argument.
Me too. The day I suffer fools gladly I’ll note the day by announcing it with a tattoo on my forehead.
@@truebrit3670
Then there's the dilemma of do you have the tattoo in reverse so *you* can read it in a mirror, or just "normal" to inform others?
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(Sorry, I just had to)
(I should point out that I've *never* had the same thought .... Honestly)
@@rogerstarkey5390 the right way. I’d already know. 😂
I prefer not replying to them. Replying gives them a sense of accomplishment. It's hard as they come up with such crap
I went to a client last month (a University) and there were no parking spaces for my petrol car. It took 45 mins in a queue to get Parked. There were. 8 free EV chargers. I could have charged right away, went to the client and came back to a fully charged car. There were loads of EV charging places all over the Campus.
People may say there is range anxiety. Try having parking anxiety with an ICE.
The probem is that many parking spaces have a fee if your car is fully charged, and you still stay on the spot... Tesla here charges you half a dollar per minute (!).. So this only works if your battery can charge for your stay. Otherwise you will have your anxiety anyway.
UCLAN Preston?
Try 80 parking spaces for my office that has 1,200 people in in it and 30 of those are EV charger spaces! You can imagine the chaos.
@@John-FourteenSix Nottingham :-) But I know UCLAN and take the train :-)
That’s a preemptive strike. In 10 years your ICE will be banned from campus altogether.
The problem with relying on subliminal advertising is that people are seeing hard facts like Hertz in the USA dumping 30,000 Teslas because people won't hire them, repairs are more expensive etc. This has far more cut through the people seeing an EV charger.
Dave has addressed this issue on a previous video. Hire companies change their fleets regularly, and it's time for Hertz to change their Tesla fleet. The problem lies with their purchase strategy, they bought 30,000 at once instead of 5,000 every year for 6 years. It's just a management f***up, nothing more.
@@barnseyfrommossley Inc reported
Now, however, Hertz is selling off many of those vehicles because it's no longer worth it. Instead, it plans to replace them with gas-powered vehicles.
The fact that Hertz says it will take a $245 million (based on 20,000 cars) hit to its balance sheet as a result of selling off the vehicles tells you that the cost of keeping those vehicles was greater than that. Part of that cost, according to Hertz, comes from the fact that Teslas, in particular, are more expensive to repair, and parts can be harder to come by than your standard fleet car. Hertz attributed the push to reduce the number of EVs in its fleet to an effort to lower what it calls "damage expense."
Hertz are replacing EV's with gas powered, that's a strong message and have now announced another 10,000 Tesla dump to put the total at 30,000.
Hertz got overexcited and jumped into EV hire with both feet. Then they discovered that they were too early.
In 5 years time, EV hire will be the norm.
One of the best subliminal moves , in the UK, is the green stripe on the number plate. It's voluntary but it can be used to denote that the car is a BEV. When I had my first BEV I rarely saw another one all day, Now I often find my self in a small group of three or more EVs at traffic lights. EVs have become normal.
Here in Birmingham I see Taxi's (Toyota Boxes on gas) with those green stripe number plates so what the heck. And no my BEV's don't have green strips
@@bitmanev4331 Nor mine whats the point , its a car with a different type of propulsion system!
@@ogriboybecause if you enter an emissions zone or congestion zone it’s immediately identifiable. This helps support you if the ANPR register doesn’t have the correct marker against your reg from the dvla. I have green markers on both of mine too.
I didn't have the green flash on my eNiro plates. I care not a jot whether anyone else knows or realises it's an EV. I live in the Lake District, so no ULEZ or congestion zones here, yet......
Yes, it is just Priuses. Hybrids should not have green stripes.@@bitmanev4331
I’m in Michigan, gas is now about $3.43 to $3.86 per gallon. Running the math my Model 3 is costing me the equivalent of less than $1 per gallon to drive when charging at home and around $2-$2.50 to SuperCharge. So there’s no way to spend more charging a Model 3 vs gassing up an UVE vehicle. A Chevy Bolt gets very similar efficiency compared to a Model 3 so the price is very similar per mile. A used Bolt with a GM-replaced battery is about $11k, not bad at all for a used car. The knock on them is slow DC fast charging but for a commuter car you charge at home it’s IDEAL.
The point is, it’s way cheaper to drive an EV. Once people realize that they can’t afford not to switch, they will start buying EVs. It’s not a matter of if but when IMHO. And it’ll be surprisingly soon at this rate.
Petrol is currently almost double that price here in Britain.....
we are getting a niro ev in the next few months ... my wife said " how about speed bumps?" will it be ok over speed bumps ??? " will it be ok in rain ??" Her dad reads the Sun ... I'll leave that there !!
12 months into my first EV ownership. Happy with the EV.
One of my best mates sadly is an EV hater. He won’t even allow us to pick him up in it, he makes excuses to make his own way when we go out. I think he’s scared he will want one and I think he’ll have a”Road to Damascus” moment one day. 😊
The sun is bright, when we see it, that is, but the Sun comic is crap!
We have had a Niro EV 18 months and done 12 000 miles and it has been excellent.
Isn’t it amazing that manufactures spend millions developing a vehicle without any knowledge of speed bumps and weather 😂😂
I saw someone yesterday claim that Tesla’s warranty was null & void if you use a car wash.
You remember the stupid kids at school that couldn’t put their shoes on the right feet? They are alive, well and on the internet.
Could be worse.
If he read the Fail you'd be in real trouble! 😉
Regarding the Dacia Spring, it has a quoted range of 137miles. This figure is found as a result of testing the vehicle in the following way.
Class 3 WLTP test 'continuous, no stops'
589 seconds at average 15.7mph, peak 35mph
433 seconds at avg 27.6mph, peak 48mph
455 seconds at avg 37.7mph, peak 60mph
323 seconds at avg 58.4 mph, peak 81mph
So if, as I do, live 2 miles form the motorway and I have to drive to somewhere 110 miles away, on the motorway, at speeds of real world 70-80 mph , can this car get me there on just one charge ? Thats what I want to know
The distance is like driving from Sheffield to Newcastle, London to Bournmouth, and 10 miles less than Edinburgh to Aberdeen
The WLTP range figures are obviously inapplicable to motorway driving (as admitted by manufacturers), but is there a way to figure out how far it can go on the motorway ? Because then I can know if the battery is adequate enough to get me there, 110 miles away
In general, a small car will manage to return between 3.5 - 4.5 miles/kWh, if driven at real motorway speeds.
A mid to large sized car only returns 2.5 to 4 miles per kWh, driven at real world motorway speeds
All we need to know now is how big, electrically speaking, is the Dacia Spring battery ? 26.8kWh
So lets say it's raining and dull, and I'm only getting 3.5 miles per kWh (because I've got the heating on, lights on, lane assist on, etc etc) then 3.5 x 26.8 = 93 miles, if, you go to the absolute extremes of the battery's capacity, which you should never do, so I guess you will start getting low range warnings after 80 miles (just over an hour on the motorway)
This explains why Dacia are calling it a 'City car'. They literally do mean a city car.
Not like the old days when Vauxhall Nova city cars had 450 miles of range, The Ford Ka was really frugal too, the one we had kept running well after the spark plug electrode had burned down into the ceramic. Literally
I just wish EV makers could be more clear about a highway range figure, right now it's all down to guesswork for a lot of people, who had no need to understand electrical units of measurement, until EVs came along.
£15k for a car which has to stop after 80 miles on the motorway, and which takes 45minutes to charge between 20% and 80%. IE after 45 minutes you can drive another 48 miles further.
In terms of time, for every 38 minutes of driving you will need to stop for 45 minutes. I wouldn't dream of taking that on the motorway !
It's one for the kids, school run mum's filled with anxiety about a climate crisis which is oozing from the pores of their virtue signalling kids . She hopes they'll stop nagging her if she gets the EV.....
I love watching all you do, Dave. Please, please keep it going. We bought a BZ4X in January, and we absolutely love our new car. We also watch Mr EV from Canterbury, I assume you have seen his great information like yours? Many many many thanks. 😊
You got it half right!
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Great video. I find the best way to change EV haters or skeptics is to talk to them in person, or take them for a drive.
With new EV's now above 10% of vehicle sales here in Australia, eventually there will be a significant population of EV users who can educate their family, friends and acquaintances about the reality.
As you know Dave was ever thus before TH-cam it was ( and still is) newspapers , “Freddie Starr ate my hamster”😂
You are spot on with the subliminal effect of chargers, EVs etc. All of my friends bar one has a hybrid, diesel or petrol car, especially since I got my MG4 they are now asking me about my EV ( they didn’t ask me about my Zoe), and the occasional conversation goes around to “ I now see a lot more EV charging stations”, “how long does it take you to recharge?” And more comments during casual conversations along the same lines. One friend of mine now thinking of changing one of his cars and he said I might think about an EV to which I said just take a few for a test drive and see what you think. It is like any “new” consumer item the adoption curve starts small but when it takes off it is rapid, just look at mobile phones ( how many people in the early days said I would never have one), colour tvs ( how many people said not worth it). Meanwhile I amongst millions of others I am preparing for my Monday morning commute from Lands End to John O’ Groats 😂
AH!
The "4 Yorkshiremen" commute!!!
😂👍
@@rogerstarkey5390 Aye and I am only starting with handful of gravel.
Words of wisdom Dave.
I've found myself backing away from the arguments on LinkedIn about EVs and all things sustainability related. Some of my connections feel the need to fight the good fight, but I've not got the time nor the inclination.
Keep up the good work, loving your videos 👍🏾
I fully agree about the subliminal impact. Whenever I have to use a motorway I am aware of the high number of Tesla vehicles in use. That has now sparked a heightened “visibility” in my daily driving.
8:50 I love the “Road to Damascus” moment.
Keep them coming Dave.
“E” piphany!❤❤😂
People are seeing the EV negatives and problems for themselves and making their own opinions. Dave didn't take anything on here 😂😂
It's becoming cult-like to hate on EVs. Precisely what the oil industry would like i suspect...
Sure there are many people who hate on EV's just cause the sake of it. I have nothing against EV's. What I have against is overly optimistic people that do not learn by history. Sure, your EV is cheap today to run. But in countries like I live in (Sweden) the goverment have now started to raise the taxes on electricity. My electricity bill used to be around $40 a month, I am happy if its under $160 today. So soon, that EV will cost you more to charge at home than your ice car was to fill up. and the "Scientists"... well now they claim global warming is due to the AIR IS TO CLEAN!?. Cause the particles that were in the dirty air reflected the heat from the sun back into space.... so when everyone has a EV, I wonder what the next thing is? back to coal ? to pollute the air to stop global warming? but many EV owners just think what the goverment tells them to think
@@AndrewTSq Get some Solar on your roof…
@@AndrewTSqvery patronising last sentence. My choice to drive an EV is nothing to do with any government. I prefer it and it’s currently cheaper for me.
@@wdsmauglir4683me too I couldn't get on with 6 gears and a clutch and I kept running out of petrol.my EV solves all these problems just plug in at night.
@@wdsmauglir4683 I said some, not all.
When cars and trains were first invented people said that it the higher speeds of travelling would suffocate the passengers. How did that work out?
In the 19th century, epidemiologists opined, “Train travel causes syphilis………….” 🎉
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck the trains around here still would the state on the seats. 😂
It worked out just fine. It's just the killer sandwiches on trains you need to watch out for.....
On the number of chargers some French friends drove up to see us from Toulouse and they happened to say that they had heard that permission had been refused for a charging hub near Toulouse airport, the reason being that there were already too many! I, and they, can't say this is true but, if it is, it is a reflection on how charging networks have developed. Certainly, if i look on (eg) chargemap the route between my village and Toulouse is just a mass of chargers.
I live in Moreton Bay, a large outer suburban area of Brisbane Australia.
For more than 6 months I have been looking for EVS every time I go out , so far I have seen 1 Tesla & 1 Kia, an Ampol servo near me has chargers but never seen a car charging yet.
They're all at home charging on solar or "Driving" 😁
Because most EVs don't need to charge when out and about. Being able to start the day with a full battery makes all the difference.
Totally agree Dave
I don’t know how you manage one video a day.
I can only just manage one a week.
Keep up the good work
Nigel
A certain person who drives a Taycan springs to mind.
EV's vs ICE and Nuclear vs Solar and wind have the same problems with people thinking zero or 100%. The truth is in between and we probably need all types of energy production and different types of propulsion systems for a long time ahead.
As a long time Tesla investor and all things battery/EV lover I have recently given up engaging these people it’s no longer worth it, that Aussie is most likely Cadogan, he is a fool. I love the idea you have said that it’s a Business model, this is really true. Keep up the the great work
Dealers will still be less inclined to push EVs as ICE cars are still their cash cows for servicing cost etc.
Dealers have brand targets. A dealer is never more than a few errors away from losing the dealership, and they know it. If the brand says jump, they jump.
Also, the sales people lack EV knowledge. I had to educate the salesman when I bought my EV.
Some dealers will be greatly concerned about losing servicing income etc, once EV take-up increases further. Blacksmiths, saddlers, carriage builders and horse breeders were also extremely concerned regarding the future 130 years ago, when the motor car appeared, but progress happens......
@@Brian-om2hh My great grandad said - never sell the buggy whip shares, these new fangled horse-less carriages will never catch on. My dad said never sell GM shares - the car is here to stay - learn about points and spark plug gaps. Now we are here - my nephew says, why bother with a driving license? When auto cabs are here, I'll hop in and never worry about the hassles of filling up, servicing, flat tyres, insurance, garaging, repairing damaged vehicles or rust - and I can play video games as I'm driven to where I want to go...
How long do we reckon the likes of Flat Battery Mac’s TH-cam channel have? The man that’s been driving a EV Porsche for 3 years. Hates it apparently 😂😂 If I hated a car that much I’d sell it.
😂
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I reckon both he and his equally maladjusted pals have no more than around 3 years before their reason for being disappears........ Sure, they'll still be ranting, raving and bursting blood vessels about something, but it probably won't be EV's by then, because they'll have lost their battle over that one.... They'll all need to get a burger van.....
Correct makes sense to me Dave. Follow the money to understand behaviour.
Just for info, you may already know this. A new charger installation at the Sainsburys site at Cheadle Royal shopping centre. Looks like quite a few are going in. Another installation at the Wickes / Halfords site at the top of Lancashire Hill in Stockport. They seem to be taking their time with the latter one.
I find this all to be very interesting. Lovers VS Haters. Only these two extremes and nothing but the extremes ! But in the middle there has to be some common sense ?
Regarding grid capacity, I want to put this argument straight on track, by using mathematics. In the UK we have a typical demand of somewhere between 20GW to 60GW. Demand is season dependent. 20GW relates to a quiet weekend daytime in summer. 60GW relates to a cold dull day in winter
We have a generating capacity of about 60/70GW of 'conventional' power available, and another potential 40/50GW of 'renewables'.
This means that when all conditions are at their best, we have 120GW of generation capacity, which includes full wind and full solar, for use by grid customers. Quite a rare day, that
How many cars can the grid charge at once ?
It's quite easy to work it out.
First things first, what are the most extreme cases we could look at today, using real world figures, to get an answer to how many cars can the grid charge. ?
a) We could find ourselves with 90GW of supply available, on a day with a 60GW demand. leaving 30GW available for EV charging. This could be the worst case scenario
b) Or we could have 120GW of generation capacity available (Conventional+ renewables) on a day with just 20GW of demand. This gives 100GW available for charging
How much power do EVs use to charge ? Anything from 3kW to 275kW.
Lets say for argument's sake the average is 50kW
Using a) above, the number of cars which can be charged at once is 30GW divided by 50kW. 600,000 cars maximum
Using b) above, the number of cars which can be charged at once is 100GW divided by 50kW. 2,000,000 cars maximum.
In the worst case, the grid can currently support charging for 600,000 EVs at once.
Currently, the UK has about 29 million cars.
See the problem ?
The United States Secretary of Energy made a road trip of about 700 miles last summer, and it was fraught with charging problems. One of them involved the police being called because they had sent an advance ICE car ahead to block a charging stall so the secretary wouldn't have to wait. In the other car was a woman with her kids in the car, and it was a hot summer day, and she wanted to get home. I don't hate electric cars, but to call other people liars because they are pointing out the obvious problems with them is a bit preachy.
I am a retired airline pilot. I live 115 miles away from the airport, and I made the trip once a week. I seriously looked into getting a Tesla years ago, I think the Model S was the only choice at the time. I had to be able to drive the 115 miles, at 75 mph, park in a lot without a charger for four days, have enough power left to get to a charging station on my way home, and be able to do this when it is -10c and windy. The Model S couldn't do it. Even today that's a pretty tough challenge.
But now we find ourselves, at least in the west, with governments working on banning the cars that work for the most people because paying people to buy the alternative cars didn't work. At the same time, they are banning the electrical power generation plants that work reliably 24/7, for alternative energy sources that work about 30% of the time. What could possibly go wrong?
My latest 3 long trips I've found overnight fast chargers between free and 56p per kwh. Hardly had to use rapids except for 10 min top ups. Durham, Brecon YHA, Sherborne all had free overnight parking and cheap charging.
So your EV is a wonderful vehicle, that is great. The best way to advertise your love of your car is to travel around the UK and do a video to prove all these scaremngers that they are wrong. Show the liars up for what they are. That seems like a challenge.
Great video as ever Dave. You are spot on
For me it's simple, driving is very expensive so I'm always looking to cut those costs and for me an EV is going to be cheaper than the diesel I've got now. I don't believe that ev is any greener than an ice vehicle but I don't care about that because frankly the planet is buggered anyway.
I can assure you that EVs are far far greener than ICE cars.
@@rogerphelps9939 rubbish, they are just as bad.
@@rogerphelps9939 humans are bad for the planet full stop.
@@fractalofgod6324 Wrong. It is an objective fact that EVs are better. Do some research and avoid fossil fuel outfit lies.
@fractalofgod6324 can you recycle Diesel exhaust?
Hi Dave I liked your commonsense video. At a main dealer right now you can get a brand new EV Corsa for £20k, Mocca £23K with £675 of free pod charging.
Focusing efforts on the haters is an exercise in futility, they aren't going to change their minds because there is no rationality behind their views. Where the efforts do need to be focused is on those people who would like to go EV but who aren't sure that it is viable for them at the moment. The key factors for a lot of those who are on the fence are cost (sort-term and long-term) and access to charging (for those who can't charge at home).
The second question I asked about my EV, (the first one being the typical range question), is about the weight. "oh but EVs are really heavy aren't they?" Well, I say, I've been buying cars since the late seventies and not once have I gone into a showroom and the sales person how heavy the car is. I doubt the EV haters ever have ether! The 3rd question usually is, "do you carry a fire extinguisher with you?" No, I say, do you? Because you]re more likely to need one that me! 🙂
Great episode.
Please don't forget that a lot of the ev hate is generated by automation and bots.
Clutching at straws, old boy
@@thisisnumber0 no I wouldn't say that about you.... Be gentle with yourself love.
What I would say is, if ev s are so good why does the government have to incentivise them so much. Forcing car makers to build them or face fines. If it’s all that then they would thrive on there own. Also the government has a lot to answer for. Letting instavolt and the like charge what they like. One of the early big selling points was how cheap they were to run. But if you can only use public charging then it’s no where near as cheap.
public charging
So your problem is with the government, and not with BEV's correct? Would you also like to see the government stop grants for the oil companies too, or just for EV's?
@@Hell-Hound1 grants for the oil companies benefit the hole country. Mainly because everything in your house is delivered by trucks, powered by diesel.
@@fruitmachinestu So you're ok with tax payers money going to oil companies who make billions in profits every year, but against giving a short lived tax break to someone who chooses an EV as a co. car? So would choose to pay the highest BIK tax, or go for the lowest BIK tax rate and put an extra couple of grand in your pocket to help with the ever rising cost of living? If you were ever offered a co. car, that is.
You’re missing the point. This guy is just as bad as the anti ev brigade. Telling us it’s the future and we will all have one one day., and that the other guys are idiots. I follow both groups to have a more informed opinion. This will never work for everyone. If u can’t charge on your driveway. Forget it. If you can it is cheaper. I get that. No servicing costs is a big win I get that. Will they last as long as ice cars. No chance. Do I want to stop every couple of hours to recharge on a long trip.not a chance.
It was at this moment he realised he had not changed his cars water filter. 😂
Other then that yep totally agree you can feel the mood is shifting now.
@8:00 The new Porsche Taycan will do 300kW to about 60%, 200kW to 75% then tapers off to 100kW at 80%.
I'm pretty sure some trucks can do more, but they have big batteries as well. I've seen people finding trucks charging at almost 300kW at 80%.
Scania have 416 and 624kWh options for their trucks. They claim fully charged in less than 85 minutes which would be roughly 293kW average 0-100% on the small battery.
Because theyre right. You wont stop them, the truth be denied. I speak as an EV driver myself. Theyre impractical, cost a fortune and are disposable. Another middle class know it all.
Just as EV haters seek out videos that confirm their feelings and choices, so do EV lovers. Case in point: this video!
The Psychology is correct.
He is ALSO saying, reality is starting to catch up.
The Psychology suggests you missed that!
@@John-FourteenSix Nope, didn't miss that part. Have you stopped to consider that EV fanboy channels are also guilty of omission, contrivance and logical fallacy?
@@jemima_brownno.
@@jemima_brownI have no doubt that there are omissions on both sides but I tend to find a lot more out and out lies with the haters videos. Every time there’s a car fire people jump to the conclusion that it must be an EV !
I’ve driven Diesel, Petrol, LPG, hybrid & EV over a 40 year period and will simply never buy another ICE car, that as you say is a choice but it’s a choice born from experience.
@@2skydreamA few weeks ago, we drove past a BMW that had just caught fire. Not sure if it was diesel or petrol. It wasn't EV.
Today, drove past an EV DPD parcel van on the hard shoulder. Probably out of charge but truth is, I don't know, could have been anything.
I was driving my LPG vehicle, for some reason, not caring what was powering each and every other vehicle.
The world is in equilibrium! 😅
Difficult to detect fact from fiction today in all spheres of life. I look to sites such as Anthony Dyer in Aberdeen and ev man somewhere in the NW of England. Why? They are enthusiasts but try and analyse from their own experience and produce figures. Always treat assertions with scepticism! Unfortunate but this is the modern world. Sites which carry advertising, understandable but vulnerable. Not all criticisms of EVs are unfounded. Committed ev channels also thrive on 'overenthusiasm' and a policy of universally trashing any who disagree. I look at your productions Dave and welcome all efforts to have objectivity and balance. In the long term reputation will be the greatest asset.
You have my respect,👍
Regarding the 'feature set selloff', where features can be 'bought' later via software. While it is true that software development is expensive, but also highly profitable, it's still easy to see that this practice is undeniable profiteering by the manufacturers.Manufacturers used to be proud about how many features they 'gave' you, and the cost was then amortized across every car they made. That's what buying into that brand or model was all about in the first place.
But all of that goodwill is gone. The features are already fitted to all models, it's just the free cost of an over the air update, with a licence to let you use the feature which has always existed anyway since the car left the factory.
What happens then if nobody buys into the new features. The manufacturer spends a lot of money developing something and nobody ever buys it, which begs the question, what do they do about that loss ? Obviously it is still the customer who has to pay, either way, so why not leave those features switched on from the factory ? It doesn't say much about any company who chooses to take that path.
Evening mate and its not going to be easy
I was in Warrington services Saturday afternoon and i was watching two ev.s changing chargers because they couldn't get them to work so im sorry but that was real life
I pulled into a petrol pump yesterday, the one behind was out of order so people were having to move. That was reality.
In addition, no LPG at either pump but there was 49 miles away. That was also my reality.
My EV on the drive... Charged, no issue. Even more really!
@djtaylorutube the main thing that I was thinking was I looked at the main carpark and there must have been around 350 to 500 cars and in reality when the whole country goes electric every single parking space will have to have a charger
@@user-oz4mx1di7t Why? Most motorway journeys are under 100 miles. That's easily within range of many EV's.
Please don't get thinking that every time an EV pulls into services that it needs a charge, that would be very flawed thinking.
Next week between East Midlands and Switzerland, I'll charge three times and pass many charging points.
I won't charge in the UK at all, Calais, somewhere mid France and then a bit nearer the Swiss border.
@djtaylorutube you are right last year I drove to lake garda and stopped at several services but only filled up twice
@@user-oz4mx1di7t Yep. We're stopping overnight before crossing Switzerland and into Northern Italy. Not because we couldn't, none of this rubbish about needing a week in an EV for the journey but simply because we'll arrive at the Swiss border towards the end of the day. Can't get into our accommodation in Italy until after 3pm and want to enjoy the roads in Switzerland in daylight. Not much point doing picture postcard scenery but driving through the night. 😁
Drawing attention to them perpetuates it.
The thong they do is very clever. Mix outright lies with half truths. You mean like the outright lie about the range on them or the half truth about being able to charge for 30p? Which you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT 😂😂😂😂😂
Dave, sorry, I disagree with you on legacy auto makers not making money on Servicing, apart from Tesla, they absolutely rip you off on service charges for doing nothing. When I bought my model 3, I was also considering an Audi Q4 Etron and one of the things that puy me off was the near ICE car service charges compared to virtually none for Tesla.
True. I worked at a dealer and what we charged for EV servicing was a figure plucked from thin air. There are no parts to book on a job, unless you change the pollen filter which is a year 4 part but got changed every service to get the figure up and make it look like something happened after the car was dropped off.
A tech would do a recall check, look at the brakes, change the PF whether it needed it or not, and the customer would be charged anywhere from £35 to £250 depending on who they were.
Where can you charge fast in public for 30p p/kwh Dave?
Cheers Dave
I wasn't even thinking about getting an EV, until I saw MacMaster's videos on them being terrible. It all seemed a bit fishy to me, and it just made no sense all the problems he was having.
Took a short while, but looking about it became clear what he was up to. Conspiracies and chaos generate far more revenue than the boring reality, and he's made it his USP.
Thanks to MacMaster's overexxageration, I looked into EVs a little more. Given 90% of my driving is around town, I've ordered an ID.4 and had a home charger fitted last month 🤣
I was going to comment on the MacMaster channel too. Basically he's trolling for views.
@@Humannondancer I have commented many times, and indicated how obvious it is he is being disingenous. It's obvious that he's purposely skipping fast chargers, and using worse options to make the videos play out to the story.
Thing is, I was looking at replacing my Grandland with another at the end of my lease. After seeing him talking about how bad EVs are, I figured it was some kind of ruse. Few weeks later I was down ordering an ID.4, and now just waiting for it to be built 😂
@@marky147 Funny that while googling to refresh my memory of his channel name a video showed him saying "someone in my comments made an interesting statement to charge when you can rather than when you need to. He agreed, then proceeded to do the exact opposite to create the drama lol
If I'm still driving in a few years I can see me getting an EV very easily, despite having nowhere local to charge atm.
@@Humannondancer think that's what I saw somewhere else, may have been here, even 'ABC = Always - Be - Charging', and it makes perfect sense.
If you stop to use the facilities or grab a snack, just bang it on for 20 minutes while you're in there.
I'm estimating I'll need to charge about once a month when I get my new car, and that's if I drive it like I'm playing Gran Turismo.
It appears there is going to be more competition between suppliers as time passes, so I'd have probably gotten one next lease anyway as well.
To be fair, you do it a bit yourself with chademo vs ultra fast chargers. You should (imo) do a bit about how universal and common a bog standard type 2 is. The reason being is they are everywhere, and although some cars might only have a built in 6.5kw charger they are usually cheap to use, located on supermarkets, and if you can easily grab 20 miles of charge cheaply while doing a shop.
I agree with all but the cheap bit. Too many people see Type 2 EV charging as a get rich quick scheme and bump up prices. Gridserve is one of the cheaper type 2 at 49p, Tesla 250kW ultra-rapid is 30p.
@@davetakesiton Obviously if you are lucky enough to be surrounded by tesla chargers and have CCS then you should go there. But chedemo users should be getting themselves on a good home tariff and using type2 for top up. pod point is about 45p or something like that at tesco. And evcharge-online charge 30p where I live for type2. And evpoint at 65p for chademo when a faster charge is needed.
Is it wrong that I’ve owned an EV a while now and have never used a public charger.
I just wave at petrol stations as I pass.
I’m thinking I must try one as we’re planning a long trip soon and I’ll probably need a top up. Any suggestions for Conway/Anglesey?
I don't even bother looking, let alone waving.......I haven't set foot on a petrol forecourt for 3+ years.
I do public charge maybe 3 times a year. I have never queued for it or cried at the price. So many commenters' speculation doesn't match my experience. Who is right? It must be me as I'm doing it.
Strange .... Driving an EV since August 2023 (loving it) but cannot get out of the habit of always checking petrol and diesel prices as I pass a garage ... It's like it is hard wired into my consciousness.
If theyre so good, why are sales of them absolutely cratoring? And why is my 55k EV brand new last year now worth 27k 😂
I recently picked up a Corsa-e for £13k (2020), seemed overpriced at the time but seemed the Vauxhall dealer was selling them at a decent rate! but since then those sales seem to have slowed down, but prices remain. Most likely I just decided to move to an EV at the wrong time lol.
I agree to ignore them. Can we have a video on maintenance please.tyres,brakes etc
There are specific TH-cam channels already doing this very thing.......
what do you think of the english man "Paul Burgess" ?
1964- If everyone turned on their color TVs at once, the grid will go down. B&W TVs are safer. (Hmmmm)
The "1966 World Cup problem"
I hear all that. Still, I've long felt the ones to really watch out for are the ones who believe their own lies. Zealots-the really scary ones.
Still a petrol head and still love my EV yes you can enjoy both.
I can't ever love spewing out death causing fumes.
Do ppl worry about the form of traction on the train they get on?
No, it's more likely they'll be more worried about whether it'll actually be running or not.....
@@Brian-om2hhand affordable
Dave what electric car would you recommend to tow my caravan!
Take a look at the TH-cam videos showing various EV's towing trailers and caravans. One TH-camr - Andrew Ditton - towed a caravan from his home in the Outer Hebrides to Germany, videoing the trip as it went. He towed using his Hyundai Ioniq 5.......
Most EV's have a towing limit in the 1600kg region, some more, some less. Assuming your question is genuine and not just baiting, that's probably the least of the inconvenience.
Where towing gets tedious is range dropping by up to half but then also that you'd need to park the caravan and unhitch each time.
For that reason alone, other than just to prove a point "it can be done", a good turbo diesel tow car probably still makes more sense.
P.S. Correction to my previous post. Mr Ditton's EV is a Kia EV6, not an Ioniq 5
Haha! Dave knows MacMaster, too.
Who knew Chris McCausland could see? 🤷🏻
@@truebrit3670 whooshed me? 🙃
I do know that thanks to Mac, I’ve got an ID.4 on the way 😂
@@marky147 not sure if you know Chris. He’s a blind U.K. comedian. Looks like Macmasters twin. He’s a comedian too. 😂😂
I went into my local Citroen dealer to enquire about the new eC3, which can be ordered for 23,000€ in Europe. I came out having bought a brand new eC4, sittihg in the showroom, for 25,000€. The list price is 32,000€.
That's exactly what I have been saying about EVs; they are far too dear. A Citroen C3 should be about £20,000 regardless of petrol, diesel hybrid or EV.
I so hope you are right.
His Psychology is correct.
Ford are STILL making a loss on both the Mach-e and the f150 lightning
I love the MacMasters of the TH-cam world. They are entertaining and although they put more fantasy in than you do, your both misinforming. All is not bad, and all is not rosy. Having experience with other EVs, that are not Tesla they can be a nightmare. Charging, range, cost, they even charge for servicing. Tesla are the only EV that works.
Once there is choice & price for the masses then they will sell like the proverbial Electric Hot Cakes 😂😄
Tesla just recorded the SMALLEST recall in history
FutureAZA (formerly MyTeslaWeekend)
New business model - Not just Tesla - Kia already doing this, Kia EV9 , you can order new features on the app.
I think drivers going to McDonald’s will notice the Instavolt chargers and that they have good availability (because of the price)
I gave a lift to a couple of people from my local village the other day and it was interesting that all of the anti EV information was being asked about. I told them how oil companies and countries don't want to lose their income and spread false information. They asked about range, batteries needing to be changed and fires. Well 272 miles range, battery with 8 year warranty and cars with over 400,000 miles still around 90%. Then that LFP batteries are safe and don't catch fire. By the end of their journey both were interested in EV's.
I have like you, initially been annoyed, but realise that we are unable to stop the liars in the news or on you tube. Some like the news readers are often ignorant and refer to their knowledge from facebook posts. others knowingly give fake information. A lot of this will be proved wrong as more and more EV's are sold and owned. 3 years ago, I barely saw another EV, the other day 3 of us in a row and passed by a lot more travelling the opposite direction. As less ICE cars exist and need fuelling, petrol stations will convert to EV charging and coffee shops.
Also the more older EV's seen on the road show batteries last and maintenance bills will be far lower to keep them running. This information will spread and will work it's way into the lives of many of the anti EV brigade via friends or even family.
Finally as electricity prices drop due to the increase of renewables and battery storage, the price of oil will continue to rise as it is a finite resource. When their friend is getting 200 miles for £2.00 so 600 miles for £6.00, and petrol will be £150 for the same range, how long will they want to stay running an ICE car.
A great video again Dave.
At last the week my Ioniq 5 is due to arrive is here. Like a sensible person I spent months researching what it could be like running an EV. There’s an old saying haters will always hate, that goes for every part of life, not just EV’s. What I don’t understand is what is it about an EV that gets people so riled up. It’s a car, like every other car, but doesn’t produce fumes and gas that is killing people and our planet. My grandchildren deserve a future. So let’s hope my small contribution will help them have that future.
It is not the vehicle it is the fact that the government has said they will eventually have to buy one. Had the government said that all cars had to use hydrogen (the ICE cars holy grail). Then it would be exactly the same, not enough filling stations, highly likely to explode -look at the Hindenburg- and heavier than fossil fuel cars, fire brigade are scared of dealing with them, car parks will collapse etc. etc….
@@Sp_75-76In the case of hydrogen they are correct.
@@Sp_75-76 we hear about hydrogen constantly from the anti EV crowd.
Running my EV is ten times cheaper (on fuel alone) than my old petrol. Hydrogen is twice the price of petrol.
That makes my EV 20 times cheaper than my old Merc in hydrogen.
Money drives opinion. And the opinion is pro EV.
I have an Ioniq 5 .... You are absolutely going to love it. However, you'll need to practice hiding/disguising the Clarkson cheesy smug grin on thy face. Enjoy.
Hi Dave.
Can you help. We all read about car manufactures must sell 22% pure EV or face £15k per car fine. Companies like Tesla and BYD can sell EV credits to other car manufactures. I have read that you can only buy EV credits towards 75% of your shortfall. Will BYD want to sell EV credit to companies like Fords who are in direct competition . On the other hand Tesla may not see companies like Fords as a threat. How much will EV credit be sold for ? Will Ice car manufactures still have to sell 3.5% EVs or face £15k fines even with EV credits. The Press don’t seem or want to publish on this subject.
Come 2035it has to be 100% EV. Any manufacturer not planning for that right now deserves to be out of business
Car manufacturers can’t turn on a sixpence. The new EV products will already be near tooling stage. Big Auto is already gearing down ICE. Seat, the VW brand with no EV has already been shelved in favour of Cupra. As you near 2035 manufacturing won’t be making ICE anyway.
Yep, agree not worth arguing with the EV haters, though it is always worth asking them to prove it, just for the laugh they do get tied in knots of 💩
There’s not many EV Chargers visible in Bury Town Centre - Be.EV are missing out.
I am dreading our trip to Orkney from the English midlands in a few weeks time. It will be absolutely impossible of course because my car is not a Tesla and doesn't have an engine, just a puny washing machine motor and a laptop battery with just 58kWh available.
How will I do the 600 mile trip to Scrabster ferry in a non-Tesla EV because I will have to stop every 200 miles for a rest, a pee and some food and there will be no chargers for me to use?
I must be barking mad and clearly have fallen for the EVangelists lies! Please help me.
You are obviously a 'Mactwatmaster' viewer or "Geoff buys shonky old cars because he can't afford a decent one'.
I’ve just done it in our EV (on our annual holiday to the highland) previously did it in one day, this time had an overnight stop on the way up and down.
There are Gridserve chargers at John O Groats Michael. I've used one... You'll be fine once you get to Orkney, as there are around 250 or more EV's being used there....and yes, I realise you were being a tad sarcastic!
That's a trip I'd like to make in my Seat Mii electric. After watching Jonathan Porterfield do the same journey in a VW e-Up, and James (of James and Kate) do the return journey in a Renault Twizy it looks like it might be fun.
@@Brian-om2hhnot Gridserve but Osprey, very narrow parking & heavy cables
You're absolutely right about them continuing to spread FUD as they make more money with their clickbait lies, I've stopped watching those vids altogether, I click on the three dots at the right-hand side of their vids & click on Don't recommend channel. If enough people did this, their channels wouldn't stay up in YT's algorithm.
I didn't know you could do that.
@@paulbuckingham15 Yes you can click on the three vertical dots at the side of the videos to the right of screen & click on 'Not interested' or 'Don't recommend channel' & all the FUD TH-camrs disappear from your feed.
I've reported a few videos to TH-cam for false information and the video has been removed. One channel got removed because of several reports for false information. I include links to verified research and data from companies like National Grid and various fire departments to support my complaints.
@@lancpudn I spent 30 minutes or so yesterday seeking out the worst offender's channels, and clicking on the Do Not Recommend option. As is mentioned, if enough of us did this......
If you want a ev buy one nobody cares' being forced to have one by the government is what people don't like.
When were you forced? Please tell us what happened.....
They may not like but it it is going to happen and it is in the best interests of us all
I don’t remember the Government in 1984 forcing me to buy a Ford Mk 2 estate, or any other car since the only thing that “ Forced “ my choices was Money available and what the car was used for!.
@@Brian-om2hhif you can't buy anything other than an EV isn't that forcing you to buy an EV? Every country is bringing in a date when they are banning new ICE car purchases.
@@dikkybee4003 it’s not forcing anything you can walk bud
I think the flat earners are much further along from the EV haters, meaning their ship has somewhat hit the ice wall, though I get the comparison. From an EV perspective, it will only get worse. So far on my EV “journey”, it has been great, albeit I have a home charger and all that. However, with a bit of planning, it’s not that hard to live with, so far.
Flat Earthers MAY be further along
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But all signs indicate that EV haters *are ambitious* !
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MaCMuster ans Geoff buys spanner’s are about the worst for saying anything for clicks. I’ve given up commenting now as it’s just a torrent of idiots repeating what they have said. I’m glad I found this channel and a few others (Grouch, KiwiEV etc) that are more realistic
Normal, informative video with valuable, accurate information has returned to the channel after a week long Tesla advert. Thanks.
The crashing the grid argument is only ever said by ignorant people who do not know any better.
If you switched on all the rings and oven on your electric cooker , put your electric fire on three bars, switched on your electric shower at its hottest and had every telly and appliance switched on, and if every house fed from your local electrical substation did the same at the same time, the fuse in the substation would blow ,putting all the electricity off..
Of course this does not happen because we dont all switch on all our appliances at the same time ,its called electrical discrimination. When a new housing estate is built each house has a 100amp fuse , but each house is assumed to be using only 1 or 2 kW any one time and thats the way the electrical network has been built for over 70 years and it works just fine.
Why does nobody never mention that running of petrol damages the catalytic converter with 1000 plus repair bill . Thats if its not removed for resale first
Cant blow smoke up my butt. I stsrted building electric cars in the 70s. EVs are environmental disasters. Theres not enough materials to even go full ev. 🙄 I do have a propulsion engineering degree and built EVs before they where popular.
Used to pay £30 a week fuel, now it costs me hardly anything in electric as i charge at work for free.. How many companies give free petrol out, im saving approximately 1500 a year in petrol
Just for the record I am 100% sure there was not an EV fire this week anywhere in UK..Why it would be front line news in the Telegraph
But national statistics will still show the usual 300 or so petrol and diesel car fires per day......
A simple reason for the anti EV channels to stop lying. Short term gain isn’t worth long term ruin. Jumping on a bandwagon needs thought if you can do it without risk fair enough. However in the not to distant future as realisation sets in they will loose following and revenue. I know this as I used to lap up the lies then I sat down to prove someone wrong. Turned out I was wrong and had an ev since sept 2022. The majority will then shun the channels as they will have lost confidence.
One of my best mates sadly is an EV hater. He won’t even allow us to pick him up in it, he makes excuses to make his own way when we go out.
I think he’s scared he will want one and I think he’ll have a”Road to Damascus” moment one day. 😊
He’s terrified it will blow up! Fellow suffers from a post-traumatic psychiatric disorder. A psychologist could help, but the fellow is afraid to relinquish his fear. Quite sad, actually.
He pushes back because he believes “they” will eventually be forced on him. It is very odd though.
PTSD = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
The used car market is becoming more important in this day and age, like my close friend who has a car dealership. EV's don't make for profit with a small to medium size second hand car dealerships. It's all about turnover. Most second hand car dealers are struggling for stock. These are small to medium size ICE cars, they are the golden hen to them, with an average of 20 days turnover. You talk about a Corsa E, pointless to the second hand market. The dealers can't afford to have EV's sitting on their forecourts. You go to the major car auction houses, like I have, you will see where the car market actually is.
As part of their money making mission they seem to like every comment even though they might not read or agree with it
Yeah john, why dont you do the john o groats to lands end run? Give us all a good laugh 😂
I’ve never had any hate when I’ve been in my BMW i4, I think all this EV hate talk is just crap the same as the EV is the only way to go, we should all be forced to drive an EV like you advocate Dave. I love driving cars but there’s no enjoyment in driving an EV, that’s why EV manufacturers chase 0-60 times and put daft things on cars like “dog mode” and “fart cushions”. I chose an EV because it suits my lifestyle and couldn’t care one jot about the haters or the EVangelists. By the way when I had my Mercedes AMG 4.0 V8 turbo loads of petrol heads pronounced hate for the turbo engine as it replaced a much loved 6.2 litre V8 engine…..but you just need big balls and ignore the crap. In the ICE world when Skoda came to market every motoring magazine pronounced that everyone should drive a Skoda, it’s the only car you need!! If TH-camrs didn’t have opinions then there wouldn’t be TH-cam…….you must be making money out of your channel too Dave so just save some of the crap about others and clickbate……