I appreciate you saying the direction in which you’re picking. I have been struggling with that. It’s kind of hard to see which way somebody is picking in the videos.
I have a couple of those cheap Chinese disk detainer picks that I modified. Firstly I picked the same type of lock you use in your video as they are a great way to compare what you are feeling with feedback. After this I bought three cheap locks from Ebay or Amazon, all three different in size or shape. I did manage to pick two of them several times but the third a small disk detainer lock with a small core is proving a little more difficult. I have made a picking tip that fits in the lock but need to modify a tensioner to grip the first disk. So basically I am saying with all that waffle, buy a couple of those cheap Chinese locks on the net as that won't break the bank balance. Yes they can feel gritty but a little graphite helps.
Nice work on the open. My acrylic dd lock came in many pieces because the core plug came out during shipping. Putting it back together was the first thing I had to do and that really helped with learning the function. I would suggest pulling the plug off the bottom and fixing it. Shouldn't be too hard. Have fun.
Unless it's made different/better than most of the cheap Chinese ones, you ahould be able to just pry it out with a screwdriver. They are usually just held in with friction. Tried to find a video but couldn't. Maybe I'll make a quick one to show you mine.
I just got a silver bullet and I can pick this same lock no problem and without looking. Other cheap Chinese locks I can't feel any of the same things that I do with the plastic lock. While I also consider it a pick, I can't figure out why I'm not feeling the same feedback. Have you been able to pick any other DD locks with the bullet and how are you doing it?
For me, I am doing quite poorly because school just started and I don't have the time to dedicate to learning it right at the moment. I have a few locks I am going to try once I can find some more time.
Thanks for the info. I've only ever done pin tumbler and tubular locks. I want to expand my knowledge and also do disc detainer locks. Lockpickinglawyer has a good instructions video and also Bosnianbill. At least you only ruined a cheap clear lock. I'm waiting for sparrows to come out with the pick that those two created. It's a good pick and a affordable one too.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Sorry for that last comment. Bill told me it would be around $60-$70 bucks give or take a few but ultimately it's up to sparrows I believe. I wanted to tell you that you should take that girp mat off your sparrows pinning mat. It's covering up their logo and it's cool as shit
@@Westhelockpicker I cover up their logo on purpose though. I don't wish to advertise for them. If I am honest I have low hopes for their DD tool. They screwed up their dimple picks pretty badly in their last product launched and if they can't get the metal right for that I will be surprised if they can get it right for this
@@HelpfulLockPicker you should check out Bosnian bill's and lockpickinglawyer's videos. They made it. It's like 4videos long at least. They used brass until they finished it then they used stainless steel. If they got a patent then I think sparrows has to do it the same. Check out the vids it's gonna be nice tool
hello helpfullockpicker I was hoping that you could answer a question for me I have The sparrows disc detainer pick and I went to Walmart and bought a kryptonite bicycle lock it's the black one in the shape of u and I'm not sure if it's even possible for me to pick with it the front disc spins and the key doesn't seem like it has a very solid tip like a rear tensioning lock usually has so I don't know if it tensions from the rear or one of the middle discs or from the second disc but whenever I put the pic in it does seem to grip onto the second disc it spins a little bit over 45° I should note that whenever I put the key in it is the second cut appears to be a zero and that is the only disc that my pick can grip
I've recently started picking dimple locks , but had no success so far so I wanted to ask you, wich lock you would recommend. PS: Cool video, I own a acryl disc-padlock myself, but sadly it's broken....
Great picking!!! You are on your way!!!! I have a lock like and have picked it once😅 not much luck after that one pick🤣 still learning the feedback. Great video! 👏👍👏👍🐈
My goodness, got yourself a Silver Bullet even before getting your first open? Must be nice. Top shelf tool right there. However, unless using it to teach others, I generally do NOT recommend using an acrylic lock, as it trains one to not use their other senses as effectively when picking. The best way to learn to pick is to pick and pick some more, and then more after that.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Sure, and congrats on your open. Nothing like the first time you pop a DD lock. The first time you rake open a Master, yeah, that's cool too, but DDs are some of the adult locks. Up to Kryptonites with false gates yet?
I like the "happy vibes" you show in the video. (When you finally get the first one, its all gonna be easier) If you havent fixed the lock, try to pop out the plastic disc-retainer, its usually no problem. But if you want a practice DD-lock, buy a "cheap" one and make a cut-away. You`ll get much better feedback.
Thank you for the kind words. This has been on the back burner for me for a little while because I am in grad school and it got quite busy. I hope to give it another go at fixing it later on
If you are first getting into them I would try a cheaper set first. But, I am not sure if the 3D printer version is still sold but I honestly haven't looked in a while
One other thing. In your explanation of the function of the key, you stated that the deeper the cut the more rotation, when that is, in fact the opposite of how the lock works. The deeper the cut on the key, the less that the disc rotates when the key is turned. Keep in mind that when picking, you are kind of working the discs BACKWARDS into the gates. When inserting a key, all the discs have to rotate to full counter clockwise to allow the key into the keyway, then rotate clockwise to advance all discs to their gates and then dropping the bar to continue rotation to the actuator. I hope this helps others get a better handle on openinh this often frustrating kind of lock.
I would not call the zero'ing optional. Try zero'ing out the lock to get disc 1 into place. LPL's instructionals on DD's are excellent resources for learning more.
Dude, I never recommend using this see-thru lock to practise on. It is so sloppy that it is almost its own defence and like you have found out, the discs cease up very easily which can cause trouble for picks if they are forced. Awesome to see you are on your way though, good job!
For me, it was the only lock I had hanging around that I could figure out. I order a few of the locks that you suggested and Albert Lebel is sending me a few to work on too! In part why I wanted to get this one to work is because I need either a see through or cutaway to do some of the teaching that I would like to do down the road, however, my only cutaway is an ABLOY CL290 T-Handle Cylinder which is more than I can handle at the moment. Thanks for checking it out!
Also, when I picked this I did not need to use any excess force. Once the disc got stuck however I retracted the tool and just forced the core over with the key.
So I gathered from your presentation in this video. It's good to know that there will be plenty of challenges in the future - I get bored when things slow down too much.
I'm sure you will get it fixed. Don't want to "rain on your parade" but a just uploaded video from Lock Pickers United, Mentorship Monday 11: Disk Detainer Locks by CaptainHookNumber1 has an excellent explanation and a very informative "instruction" sheet on what your are feeling for when picking these type of locks. It is extremely instructive.
I have had two of these clear practice locks and both broke like yours. I was able to un freeze the disks by rotating them individually with some effort. After that, they would not have to be picked to open. All you had to do was insert a blade and rotate the core to open it. Real cheap locks. You need to buy a real DD lock from Amazon to learn properly.
I had to make the same experience with a clear disc detainer. They are definitely only instructional locks, not training locks. The discs are too soft and the housing of the core can be deformed very easily. So, in the moment you picked the lock open, the first disc that goes out of line will jam the lock. And there is no way to re-lock it without that happening. I then bought another very cheap, but real, disc detainer lock, and I experimented a bit with it. I was very surprised when I found out that this one was so bad that I managed to rake it with a wafer rake for car locks. I do not recommend the method. It does quite some damage to the lock and can cause you trouble, because at some point, the original key can fail to work. I made a video about it, check my channel.
I think what I need to do is get a scewdriver and pull the faceplate off of the front. I am not confident if I will be able to do it without breaking it. Several people have reported that they have received locks similar to this disassembled (by accident) and that part does in fact come off.
Great progress my friend and keep practicing 😉👍🍻 A week ago I publish a video how I pick my first Abloy Classic so maybe can help you with your progress 👍 th-cam.com/video/UFYLyfcAye4/w-d-xo.html
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I absolutely love extra uploads, especially for you. It makes me happy just b/c you are so happy doing it :)
Thank you for the kind words! I typically have patience to wait and schedule the upload for later but I really wanted to share this one :)
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I appreciate you saying the direction in which you’re picking. I have been struggling with that. It’s kind of hard to see which way somebody is picking in the videos.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helped
What are you favorite disc detainer locks to pick when you are first starting out?
the ones from my local dollar store, i don't feel so bad killing a 3 dollar lock with abuse and shenanigans.
@@crausch lol, thanks for sharing! My dollar store sells terrible pin and tumbler locks, warded locks, and dial combinsrion locks. I'm jealous
For me it is non as i have used 2 year's to try and pick the cheap chinese ones but have not picked a single one yet
I have a couple of those cheap Chinese disk detainer picks that I modified. Firstly I picked the same type of lock you use in your video as they are a great way to compare what you are feeling with feedback. After this I bought three cheap locks from Ebay or Amazon, all three different in size or shape. I did manage to pick two of them several times but the third a small disk detainer lock with a small core is proving a little more difficult. I have made a picking tip that fits in the lock but need to modify a tensioner to grip the first disk.
So basically I am saying with all that waffle, buy a couple of those cheap Chinese locks on the net as that won't break the bank balance. Yes they can feel gritty but a little graphite helps.
Cheap Chinese locks, they have no false gates
Nice work on the open. My acrylic dd lock came in many pieces because the core plug came out during shipping. Putting it back together was the first thing I had to do and that really helped with learning the function. I would suggest pulling the plug off the bottom and fixing it. Shouldn't be too hard. Have fun.
How do I get the core out? Normally you take the front cap off. Mine doesn't want to come off at least not easily.
Unless it's made different/better than most of the cheap Chinese ones, you ahould be able to just pry it out with a screwdriver. They are usually just held in with friction. Tried to find a video but couldn't. Maybe I'll make a quick one to show you mine.
Here you go. Didn't record putting it back together though. That is a pain and I have to get to work. th-cam.com/video/ZQ_We3MWH6k/w-d-xo.html
@@wangminampicking6037 I will try to be a hit more aggressive with the screwdriver and see what happens
Congratulations
Congratulations!!! This is awesome and would love to learn more. Please keep us updated. Happy pickings!!
Thank you for the kind words! I am excited to learn more too :)
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I just got a silver bullet and I can pick this same lock no problem and without looking. Other cheap Chinese locks I can't feel any of the same things that I do with the plastic lock.
While I also consider it a pick, I can't figure out why I'm not feeling the same feedback. Have you been able to pick any other DD locks with the bullet and how are you doing it?
For me, I am doing quite poorly because school just started and I don't have the time to dedicate to learning it right at the moment. I have a few locks I am going to try once I can find some more time.
I just received my Sparrows disc detainer pick and I'm trying to open a Zarker J45. It is more difficult than I though... Thanks for the tips.
Thanks for checking it out. Albert Lebel is good at disc detainer locks if you ever need someone to ask questions
Thanks for the info. I've only ever done pin tumbler and tubular locks. I want to expand my knowledge and also do disc detainer locks. Lockpickinglawyer has a good instructions video and also Bosnianbill. At least you only ruined a cheap clear lock. I'm waiting for sparrows to come out with the pick that those two created. It's a good pick and a affordable one too.
Do you know how much it is supposed to cost?
@@HelpfulLockPicker bill type of the other
@@HelpfulLockPicker Sorry for that last comment. Bill told me it would be around $60-$70 bucks give or take a few but ultimately it's up to sparrows I believe. I wanted to tell you that you should take that girp mat off your sparrows pinning mat. It's covering up their logo and it's cool as shit
@@Westhelockpicker I cover up their logo on purpose though. I don't wish to advertise for them. If I am honest I have low hopes for their DD tool. They screwed up their dimple picks pretty badly in their last product launched and if they can't get the metal right for that I will be surprised if they can get it right for this
@@HelpfulLockPicker you should check out Bosnian bill's and lockpickinglawyer's videos. They made it. It's like 4videos long at least. They used brass until they finished it then they used stainless steel. If they got a patent then I think sparrows has to do it the same. Check out the vids it's gonna be nice tool
hello helpfullockpicker I was hoping that you could answer a question for me I have The sparrows disc detainer pick and I went to Walmart and bought a kryptonite bicycle lock it's the black one in the shape of u and I'm not sure if it's even possible for me to pick with it the front disc spins and the key doesn't seem like it has a very solid tip like a rear tensioning lock usually has so I don't know if it tensions from the rear or one of the middle discs or from the second disc but whenever I put the pic in it does seem to grip onto the second disc it spins a little bit over 45°
I should note that whenever I put the key in it is the second cut appears to be a zero and that is the only disc that my pick can grip
I am still getting better at these locks and have not tried that particular one. I would recommend asking Albert Lebel
@@HelpfulLockPicker well Daz just confirmed for me that it is definitely still possible but thank you for the reply
@@HelpfulLockPicker I got it 😁
Nothing like the first one under your belt to help learn from, now onward & upward.
Thank you for the encouragement!
Great video. I'm new to the sport and would love to get my hands on tools for disc locks. Can I buy them somewhere?
www.lockfall.com sells the basic version of the silver bullet which can be upgraded from there.
I've recently started picking dimple locks , but had no success so far so I wanted to ask you, wich lock you would recommend.
PS: Cool video, I own a acryl disc-padlock myself, but sadly it's broken....
I think the Mul-T-Lock 7x7 isn't bad. You can always progressive pin it.
@@HelpfulLockPicker thanks 👍
Congrats on your first disc detainer lock picked!!!
Thank you! I am so happy to have finally had a success :)
Great picking!!!
You are on your way!!!!
I have a lock like and have picked it once😅 not much luck after that one pick🤣 still learning the feedback.
Great video!
👏👍👏👍🐈
Thank you for the kind words!
Nice work man!
Thanks!
My goodness, got yourself a Silver Bullet even before getting your first open? Must be nice. Top shelf tool right there. However, unless using it to teach others, I generally do NOT recommend using an acrylic lock, as it trains one to not use their other senses as effectively when picking. The best way to learn to pick is to pick and pick some more, and then more after that.
Thanks for sharing!
@@HelpfulLockPicker Sure, and congrats on your open. Nothing like the first time you pop a DD lock. The first time you rake open a Master, yeah, that's cool too, but DDs are some of the adult locks. Up to Kryptonites with false gates yet?
@@rongwang8757 honestly, I haven't had time. I'm in school full time and it's been a busy semester
@@HelpfulLockPicker Best of luck when things calm a bit.
Very nice job my friend.
Thank you for checking it out!
I like the "happy vibes" you show in the video. (When you finally get the first one, its all gonna be easier) If you havent fixed the lock, try to pop out the plastic disc-retainer, its usually no problem.
But if you want a practice DD-lock, buy a "cheap" one and make a cut-away. You`ll get much better feedback.
And pop the disc-retainer and f.ex. cut false gates on the discs
Thank you for the kind words. This has been on the back burner for me for a little while because I am in grad school and it got quite busy. I hope to give it another go at fixing it later on
Hello
can i order those tools
If you are first getting into them I would try a cheaper set first. But, I am not sure if the 3D printer version is still sold but I honestly haven't looked in a while
Nice Silver Bullet. I wish that Huxleypig could afford to sell them for less than £300 each.
Thanks for checking it out! You could check out the version from lockfall.com it is cheaper than that by a little bit
One other thing. In your explanation of the function of the key, you stated that the deeper the cut the more rotation, when that is, in fact the opposite of how the lock works. The deeper the cut on the key, the less that the disc rotates when the key is turned.
Keep in mind that when picking, you are kind of working the discs BACKWARDS into the gates. When inserting a key, all the discs have to rotate to full counter clockwise to allow the key into the keyway, then rotate clockwise to advance all discs to their gates and then dropping the bar to continue rotation to the actuator. I hope this helps others get a better handle on openinh this often frustrating kind of lock.
I would not call the zero'ing optional. Try zero'ing out the lock to get disc 1 into place. LPL's instructionals on DD's are excellent resources for learning more.
@@N0B0DY_SP3C14L I was going to say the same thing. Deeper cut = shallow rotation can be a counter-intuitive idea.
Genius extra upload thanks I really needed it😎
Thank you for the kind words!
Dude, I never recommend using this see-thru lock to practise on. It is so sloppy that it is almost its own defence and like you have found out, the discs cease up very easily which can cause trouble for picks if they are forced. Awesome to see you are on your way though, good job!
For me, it was the only lock I had hanging around that I could figure out. I order a few of the locks that you suggested and Albert Lebel is sending me a few to work on too!
In part why I wanted to get this one to work is because I need either a see through or cutaway to do some of the teaching that I would like to do down the road, however, my only cutaway is an ABLOY CL290 T-Handle Cylinder which is more than I can handle at the moment.
Thanks for checking it out!
Also, when I picked this I did not need to use any excess force. Once the disc got stuck however I retracted the tool and just forced the core over with the key.
You probably turned disc one with the tensioner on the tool inserted too far when you tried to open the lock.
@@BowAssassin Thanks for sharing!
Dissditainer?
I am not sure what you mean but it's a different type of lock
You sound like a younger lockpickinglawyer
thanks for sharing
Cool! Congratulations!
Thank you! These locks are a steep learning curve but a lot of fun
So I gathered from your presentation in this video. It's good to know that there will be plenty of challenges in the future - I get bored when things slow down too much.
I'm sure you will get it fixed. Don't want to "rain on your parade" but a just uploaded video from Lock Pickers United, Mentorship Monday 11: Disk Detainer Locks by CaptainHookNumber1 has an excellent explanation and a very informative "instruction" sheet on what your are feeling for when picking these type of locks. It is extremely instructive.
Thanks for sharing! I will check it out.
Nice picking bud. Something I hope to get into some day sooner or later. Thanks for sharing bud. Congrats.
Thanks for checking it out. I wish I could have done a video picking it but I broke it, lol
I have had two of these clear practice locks and both broke like yours. I was able to un freeze the disks by rotating them individually with some effort. After that, they would not have to be picked to open. All you had to do was insert a blade and rotate the core to open it. Real cheap locks. You need
to buy a real DD lock from Amazon to learn properly.
I already have a few on the way :)
I had to make the same experience with a clear disc detainer. They are definitely only instructional locks, not training locks. The discs are too soft and the housing of the core can be deformed very easily. So, in the moment you picked the lock open, the first disc that goes out of line will jam the lock. And there is no way to re-lock it without that happening.
I then bought another very cheap, but real, disc detainer lock, and I experimented a bit with it. I was very surprised when I found out that this one was so bad that I managed to rake it with a wafer rake for car locks. I do not recommend the method. It does quite some damage to the lock and can cause you trouble, because at some point, the original key can fail to work. I made a video about it, check my channel.
Thank you for sharing your experience with this. I keep telling myself I'm going to get more into these locks but never am able to find the time 😞
Rotate all discs as far clockwise as they will go tension counter clockwise
Thanks for sharing
cant you take it apart or drill out a pin and fix the lock to be used again....
I think what I need to do is get a scewdriver and pull the faceplate off of the front. I am not confident if I will be able to do it without breaking it. Several people have reported that they have received locks similar to this disassembled (by accident) and that part does in fact come off.
Very nice video My Friend
Thank you for the kind words Nico!
An open is an open
I'm happy with it :)
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you!
HelpfulLockPicker your one of the best thank you for your videos!!
Great progress my friend and keep practicing 😉👍🍻
A week ago I publish a video how I pick my first Abloy Classic so maybe can help you with your progress 👍
th-cam.com/video/UFYLyfcAye4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for sharing!
Was hoping to see tool being used. Learned nothing
Thanks for checking it out anyways :)
Just order the silver bullet. Don't have a clue how to use it.
That's a pretty fair statement