I love the appreciative comments about Hayashi. There was one interview with him on YT and in that people were so toxic. All the comments were directed hate at him as the man who ruined AOT. It was was so sad to see people who don't even know the man who does direction, storyboarding and correction for AoT more than anyone.
Important to keep in mind that the animation directors on Jigokuraku aren't necessarily...animation directors. For aot final season, because of how terrible the schedule was they even had 2nd KA's doing corrections. Pretty safe to say that a lot of the same happened with Jigokuraku as well. Another thing to note is that they had entire studios credited as AD for the later episodes, which is a particularly evil thing to do, because not only are the individual artists not receiving any credit, but we also have no idea how many ADs there actually are. Could be very well up in the triple digits considering the number of just the credited names already was in the high 30s.
@@A1000-b9s They must be getting paid, but in an industry where names and connections are everything, they're not making any progress cause they're just slaving away doing low quality work in terrible schedules.
@@-MankoMan i mean that's just how fucked the industry as a whole is (The studios a lot of the times don't have a choice too). But to progress as a studio (in every way) and Grow is a very hard and good thing on itself in this terrible industry
I think a reason as to why Akiko Kudo was given the position of "Main Animator" in both seasons was her connection with Takahiko Abiru. If we compare their profiles, we can see some similarities such as Hunter x Hunter (2011), Ushio & Tora, and The Ancient Magus' Bride. Also idk if you know, but PurpleGeth recently wrote an article about VS anime's production for both seasons. It's a really good read; goes into detail about other stuff such as character dialogues and Kobayashi's career.
It's gonna be hard for me to find another anime that has the same emotional impact that Vinland Saga gave to me. Shit made me cry 5 times in total. Never cried that much and has cried in an anime for quite some time now.
@@bold9291 also more peak has yet to come with one character that they already teased at the end of s1 Hopefully the team got a good schedule like s2 again coz they have to animate more action also for s3
@@A1000-b9s VS schedule doesn't depend on mappa since they r not in committee and won't be since it's not profitable for manabu but i think twin engine will gave them great schedule again
Vinland Saga has been my favourite anime for a long time. I’ve been excited for Season 2 since I’ve read the farmland arc in the manga, like a year before it was even announced. Can’t wait for bd release, so I can snatch the hq cour 2 ncop and play it on repeat till the end of time.
16:08 one thing that i forgot to say was that Mappa's Animation department (KAs and who can do gengas i mean) was definitely progressing Slow (they have like 30 people only) compared to their other departments (which is expanding faster than The entire industry, specially their CGI department). They are making moves for it obviously (like Training newbies etc but it was on Recent times) so it will take time for a New studio. And hopefully it will reach their other departments in Terms of growth and they can have in-house talent ready for their projects (and ofc some people joining them as well).
My man A1000 getting his much deserved shoutout. Love to see it. Great video as well, you owning up to your mistakes really made me respect you more. GOAT for a reason
@@abhrajeet841 thanks man. But i personally don't have a lot of Knowledge compared to a lot of people. Manko and PP overall have much more Knowledge than i do. For this VS section and other things, i talked about it with yname. He has a shit ton of Knowledge
@@A1000-b9s nah I know that, but your insights are always very thoughtful and knowledgeable. And yes Yname is a different breed bro has insane knowledge. You still deserve it tho
It's funny how you didn't show ANY scenes from Onimai 😂 But on the topic of Vinland Saga though, this production from a visual perspective is essentially everything I love to see in an anime. I always say that limited animation is not an immediately bad thing in am anime production, as great visual direction, strong drawings and color design is more than enough to make a great show. This season takes that and principle and adds so much more with the moments that are beautifully animated. Especially in the Kobayashi episodes (17 being my favorite), I was own away with the insane number of strong character art and use of art direction (the use of clouds, sunlight, rain and more throughout this whole season has Osamu Dezaki grinning in his grave with how far TV anime has come). I was constantly stunned by the quality of this production all throughout, making the already legendary manga story into a modern classic anime. This series gives me hope that we could get a similarly high quality adaptation for seinen like Vagabond, Berserk, Steel Ball Run, and more, even if the industry as a whole has me in servere doubt. Can't wait for season 3 and amazing video as always❤
Truly one of the greatest shows of our time, and honoured that I get to live in a time where it was produced. Never have I cried more watching a show than in Vinland Season 2. On the topic of MAPPA providing action resources to Season 2 I feel besides the lack of staff due to other projects it could be attributed to there not being that many action KAs in-house at MAPPA. I really feel that one of their biggest downsides is that they carry a freelancer army as opposed to various super KAs in-house. Though if we're talking about CG work then it is easy to say that they have an army of incredible 3D artists. PS: An upload soon after a prior one??? I love me some surprises
Because tons of big KAs perfer to be freelancers. And they are a New studio too, when they started Training newbies, it's gonna take a while (if not others Join them). Also i don't know if wit actually has much in-house action animators either. Also they still lack in compositing department and CGI department (idk yet about background department). While Mappa has all of them in-house if I'm not wrong. So yeah
Yeah but they should def try to push for more In-house KA talent and just overall build up the in-house talent for the 2D department as the Seshimo train can only take you so many places. I'm not sure I'd count MAPPA as too new, they're over a decade in the industry now but obviously compared to a lot of the studios they're babies. @@A1000-b9s
@@lebyandsmartiel318obviously I'm comparing them to big studios. A decade is still pretty new. It's just that Mappa's growth is abnormal lmao. Looks like they are Extremely working on douga artists and also 2KAs (you can see a lot of 2KAs like on JJK) that probably is a part of nakayama's Training. Some of them might be working in-house on Mappa
Have you seen some of the "controversy" going around Twitter involving the Invincible: Atom Eve special? Particularly, about Kevin Molina-Ortiz calling his work on it "storyboards" but then you look at it and it's pretty much a rough layout. Like they're making him do more work than he should've and likely giving him less pay for it.
Are you going to do a vid on FGO 2023 memorial video? Ive never seen anything so lovey. It truly looks like the genga came to life, in most other shows the compositing makes the genga worse but her it actually looks fully realized.
Season 3 will contain a war arc but that will not be the whole season, before and after we have quite a bit. Just a lot of people don't like the war part so they clown on it and call everything that comes after the war arc. In terms of action, it's not that heavy. Not much fighting of the war is shown in the manga. I'd say it has around the same amount of action season 2 has
Vinland looked absolutely stunning, no two ways about it. I like this well constructed analysis Again with hp, instead of core 2 it is getting season 2, so otsuka is on two something I guess. Lord have mercy that he doesn't get those cravings again If I remember csm was supposed to be 24 ep anime which was later decided to have season 2/movie instead of cour 2 so I guess hp will improve in season 2. Just how much? Is the question here And for MAPPA, they know there priorities, and they way dorohidoro is getting recognised and recommended nowadays. So I hope hayashi can get to work on his passion child again after aot. I would love to see season 2 of dorohidoro It sounds dilutional but I hope we see a hayashi directed episode in Vinland of csm, just one. Largely for the fact that both shows can use hayashi's cinematic style and the way he portrays horror. At the end I wanna say one thing, It feels like I am on a trip because holy shit 2 videos of this quality in less than a week!!
Who tf said it was cour 2? S2 is only announced. It would've had a release date if it had a cour 2 bro. Otsuka is not a braindead person as you think bro lol. And CSM is impossible to have 24 episodes with THIS Standard
@@A1000-b9s well yeah csm was rumoured to have 24 episodes ,and it does make sense that 24 episodes of this magnitude will crash the fucking studio. And I never said manobu is a brain-dead greedy man, i just showed my concern about his actions recently. We have had conversations before and I never uttered those words, so kindly. I would like to defend my self on that Manobu had his fair share of wins and fuckups. With hp it was one of his fuckups but seeing his vision I respect that man. If he was a brain-dead greedy man, MAPPA would have crumbled to pieces. He knows the right time to stop taking his project drips. And lastly my question, will hp season 2 look good? It will be better than season 1 coz you cannot dig beyond the bottom, but how much better? Time will tell, and if manubu manages to revive that mess of a project then I can say mappa is not going down anytime soon and I can watch anime without worries that mappa is gonna collapse. I rest my case my lord, I hope I haven't embarrassed myself by saying complete bullshit🥲
@@gamerboyrax2222yeah if he was braindead. Mappa couldn't even be Mappa Today (while also being a New studio), making a name, expanding the Studio this much, making in-house staff and departments, Training newbies, incredible marketing ofc, investing on their shows. he is still gaining experience (as he also said). I think some sacrifices needs to made. And hey, terrible productions are all across the industry (that's just how fucked the industry as a whole is). But Mappa actually is taking a move and growing as a studio (any other studio would've get destroyed with this much high profile Shows) without getting into a A-1 or cloverworks situation. Not to mention the insane connections that they have (jigo would've probably looked very good it it had a better schedule, they putted a shit ton of people on it)
@@A1000-b9s yeah hp had shit tone of people thrown in While I hope season 2 gets a better schedule. And I seriously wonder how people are very positive about hp but these same people bashed the shit out of csm, just retards tbh. And mappa being formed in the early 2000s is doing far better than more established studios, heck even vinsant or Chris( I don't remember) said on Twitter about how they got contacted at the last moment, cracking production at toei? Maybe or maybe not A few more years of grind and they will be as stable as ufo and kyoani while being bigger then them in number of staff and quantity of shows while mentioning comparable or even better in some aspects shows Otsuka San is onto some big stuff, isn't he? Damn that gets me excited 😆
@@gamerboyrax2222 2011. I can say it started since 2016. they will probably be like Pro I.G. I always try to keep my expectations at Middle. To see good and bad sides and don't get too excited. Something like this requires a good amount of time and money (while yes Mappa's growth is abnormal). It still takes a good amount of time. But from What we can see, they are actually going in that way, from Their actions and manabu's recent interview. Why we see even gosso work in-house in Mappa?
nice video never realized how many great animated cuts s1 has and I'm not sucking up map balls, but without them we might not have an S2. What other studio would pick up Vinland Saga? Wit gave up on the project, it sure wasn't perfect, but maybe it's the best we could get
@@tater8960I didn't know that was a thing either lol. Anyway, I've changed the setting. DMS should hopefully be open now. Another very easy way of contacting me is on Anilist.
Great video man, one question how long did it take for it to complete excluding per-production,so basically when the full production began ? like 9months-1 year, and if let's say it was action heavy how much more time would it would have required ? Lastly,, when are most KA done with their cuts timeline wise like 3 months before an episode airs usually on average ?
Say without is pretty bad. They did had Raw Animation Power but not nearly as much as Mappa's high IPs. But The schedule was enough for those people to carry the action. Not to mention that they Received a shit ton of help from Mappa in Terms of douga artists and animation directors
14:39 The number of storyboards made by a director IT'S NOT representative of the amount of time he had to work on a production Let's take Tokyo ghoul Re as an example : it's common knowledge that it had the worst schedule of any TG Anime, right? But the it also had it's own director that solo storyboarded all it's 24 eps (+ both the 2 OP and ED) in a row. So that should mean that, according to your belief in reality the schedule was good right? No, not at all
You're completely ignoring production conditions of shows and simply taking details out of context. Tokyo ghoul re had terrible quality storyboards. It obviously takes little time to just rip off manga panels and put them in the anime in a much inferior way, even for one person. Whereas take an example like Dorohedoro where every shot was uniquely composed, where again, Hayashi storyboarded the whole show. Clearly it was because he had a good schedule that he was able to have such a high quality and quantity of output. Yabuta's storyboards are of high complexity, and the fact that he was able to do more of it for S2 goes hand in hand with the better schedule.
@@-MankoMan uhhm no, there is also to consider the speed of the storyboarder, if he is working on other Anime while storyboarding his own series and such Then, complexity of yabuta storyboards... Yes, but mostly no considering that his SB are what I call a "Colonoscopy" (sadly a reality for many directors of the new generation). But it's perfectly understandable that he's still not that well refined in SB. After all he stared his career as a photographer, then after just a few years he became a cgi animator and a cgi director (a really mediocre one, even for MadBox standards). He has never been an animator and this in my opinion is what still makes him a hit or miss storyboarder Then
@@lorenzorizzi864 Aah yes, "speed of storyboarder". I guess that's why Hayashi wasn't able to work nearly as much for aot final compared to Dorohedoro. Not because the schedule for aot was much worse than Dorohedoro, but Hayashi's speed was magically reduced in the span of a year. Also idk if you're blatantly disrespecting Yabuta as a bait comment or if you're truly so far gone that you believe yourself to be far superior to these artists such that you can afford to talk crap about them on a scale that goes far beyond just "criticism". Either way you're not coming out looking good, buddy.
@@-MankoMan I'm not disrespecting him, I also had the pleasure to talk with him various time on Twitter around 1 year ago. I'm just saying what I believe about his overall skill (that I repeat, are perfectly understandable for someone that entered the industry as a photographer and that switched position shortly after)
@@-MankoMan if we compare aot the final season p1 to dorohedoro, then he clearly chose to work more on second one. About part 2... He only made 6 SB for it (basically nothing for his standards) while for part 1 he SB 11 eps out of 16. So according to what you said Part 1 had a better schedule than part 2 It's hilarious just to write it. Part 3 (part 1) wasn't fully storyboarded by him. Does that mean that the schedule of it was bad? No, he just decided to jump on kakegurui and making 3 SB in a row , because after all he liked to work on the previous 2 seasons of it. After all it's an Anime about gambling and you know, Japanese(especially around their 50s like hayashi seems to be) like gambling in whatever form it is.
@@-MankoManso you don't actually have an opinion of your own, you just take for granted whatever those freaks say? Kvin it's the same freak that in a group chat (inside there were other people, like the Italian assistant animation producer FAR) said that he wished that Mappa burned instead of Kyoto Animation and that he despise the direction of Csm only because Nakayama made it under Mappa. He wanted it in one of his favorite studios like Shaft. I still have to figure it out why he and the rest of the "important" sakuga freaks on Twitter have such a grudge against... An animation studio 😂
@@A1000-b9sa thing that make me laugh, it's that sakugafreaks judge the production of Csm on weds Tanaka said before the airing of ep 9... But ignoring the fact that he is the only Super Animator that currently works in far more productions that he should and is known why (or it would better to say :" it was known why"). It's related to a tweet he made 3-4 years ago answering the question of why, contrary to other animators of his level he basically works for every Anime he can for. His response was strict but pretty hilarious ; he basically said, that sadly many Japanese men of his age he's addicted to gambling, especially pachinko and Mahjong, so he needs to work more than he should in order to substain his bad abit. It has sono been a year since my disappearance from Twitter, but sadly I remember him eliminating the conversation the last time I checked sadly. But... Perfectly understandable since it would probably ruin knowing he's a hard gambler despite it being an extremely popular problem not only in Japan, but in general in the whole north-east and south east Asia
@@lorenzorizzi864 LMAO. I think because tanaka was also the episode director for onimai 8# at that time, and also working on other things. That's probably why he was standing up
I have a question if jjk doesn't have adequate time for production then how does it look so good but when my hero academia has a separate studio dedicated through out its entire production and they may not have enough time for 24-25 episode but still they have more time than the jujutsu kaisen but still jjk looks better
Maybe because The schedule isn't as bad. Also JJK had much more big KAs and talent behind it. Some guesses can made here and there. Like i think episode 5 was in production at December 2022.
In Terms of Animation (movement). The whole VS is not even close to these two (obviously because of insanely detailed Character Designs) and there is no need for it
Otsuka may be to greedy and crazy by catching so much anime, but mappa didn't getting cash for last 4 years (except csm, tondemo) means he did it for fans mostly No one of Mappa shows sold too much blu ray ofc Vinland 700💀 all aot sold 2.500~
Think about it. Because The studio and in-house departments are expanding in an abnormal pace. They make a shit ton of money. Blu-ray dosen't even make a lot money anyway. Even in japan
The reason is they sell the blu-ray on their website which does not show up in oricon data, Btw borth vinalnd and aot blu-rays are sold out on their website
Really don't know how they actually pulled off the studio shift so well & were able to make it so good. Huge props to everybody on the anime.
I think that when yabuta joined Mappa as an in-house staff member earlier kinda helps
I love the appreciative comments about Hayashi. There was one interview with him on YT and in that people were so toxic. All the comments were directed hate at him as the man who ruined AOT. It was was so sad to see people who don't even know the man who does direction, storyboarding and correction for AoT more than anyone.
Those people don't deserve s4 adaptation at all. Oh they deserve an adaptation. A deen studio s4 adaptation......
The production team for Vinland Saga is something every adaptation deserves
not every but yeah i get what you are saying
Dropping two bangers in a row🛐
Mankoman finally acquired the time bending ability of sungopark.
Sungho who?
You see those bags under hayashi's eyes, right there that man hides 2 time stones. My man can literally stop the time ☠️
That's definitely Hayashi.
Your storytelling in videos are so good I could watch for hours
We really need a specific video on Vincent and Chris🙏🙏🙏🙏
Bro is a monster. He apparently did 23 cuts in 4 days
@@re_striker3431 what. they cuts were just ok right
@@Hetsu.. bro he is a god you say OK????
11:57 bro it was insane how much connections they had that they could put 20+ ADs for each episode (and I'm not even going into other things lol)
Important to keep in mind that the animation directors on Jigokuraku aren't necessarily...animation directors. For aot final season, because of how terrible the schedule was they even had 2nd KA's doing corrections. Pretty safe to say that a lot of the same happened with Jigokuraku as well.
Another thing to note is that they had entire studios credited as AD for the later episodes, which is a particularly evil thing to do, because not only are the individual artists not receiving any credit, but we also have no idea how many ADs there actually are. Could be very well up in the triple digits considering the number of just the credited names already was in the high 30s.
@@-MankoMan or maybe they can actually has connections to this many ADs lmao. So those ADs won't get paid or i got the wrong idea?
@@A1000-b9s They must be getting paid, but in an industry where names and connections are everything, they're not making any progress cause they're just slaving away doing low quality work in terrible schedules.
@@-MankoMan i mean that's just how fucked the industry as a whole is (The studios a lot of the times don't have a choice too). But to progress as a studio (in every way) and Grow is a very hard and good thing on itself in this terrible industry
I think a reason as to why Akiko Kudo was given the position of "Main Animator" in both seasons was her connection with Takahiko Abiru. If we compare their profiles, we can see some similarities such as Hunter x Hunter (2011), Ushio & Tora, and The Ancient Magus' Bride.
Also idk if you know, but PurpleGeth recently wrote an article about VS anime's production for both seasons. It's a really good read; goes into detail about other stuff such as character dialogues and Kobayashi's career.
The whole season has a lot of incredible eps but ep 9 and ep 17 were just too much peak more me (literally cried)
It's gonna be hard for me to find another anime that has the same emotional impact that Vinland Saga gave to me. Shit made me cry 5 times in total. Never cried that much and has cried in an anime for quite some time now.
@@bold9291 also more peak has yet to come with one character that they already teased at the end of s1
Hopefully the team got a good schedule like s2 again coz they have to animate more action also for s3
@@userK894Mappa has that money now lol. They recently get pretty good schedules for some of their shows
@@bold9291oh sounds like you need some gintama in your life
@@A1000-b9s VS schedule doesn't depend on mappa since they r not in committee and won't be since it's not profitable for manabu but i think twin engine will gave them great schedule again
Streets were waiting for this one. As always thank you MankoMan!!!
A good man admits his mistakes
A great man supports Mappa
Lmao
LOVE VINLAND...."i have no enemies "
And
"The Blade is me" thorfinn qnd ichigo areSTILL fighting in my head
12:03 i do Really hope for a better schedule tho, now that they have The main staff
Great video again. Looks like you will have to make a video for JJK ep5 because it looks absolutely amazing, one of the best episodes this year
Probably the most informative video on your channel for me, thanks!
1:40 damn I'm on the video lmao. Thanks man (7:58 why this Show had to exist?🗿)
Onimai exists to show that Japanese animators are on king Canute's side, that is to say, against god.
@@-MankoMan LMAO. You did canute dirty man😭😭😂
Vinland Saga has been my favourite anime for a long time. I’ve been excited for Season 2 since I’ve read the farmland arc in the manga, like a year before it was even announced. Can’t wait for bd release, so I can snatch the hq cour 2 ncop and play it on repeat till the end of time.
When the Blu-ray will release?
Volume 1 was released on June 21, that was ep 1-12. Volume 2 is going to be released on August 23 with episodes 13-24.
Awesome video! I learnt a lot from it. Thank you for covering Vinland Saga!
16:08 one thing that i forgot to say was that Mappa's Animation department (KAs and who can do gengas i mean) was definitely progressing Slow (they have like 30 people only) compared to their other departments (which is expanding faster than The entire industry, specially their CGI department). They are making moves for it obviously (like Training newbies etc but it was on Recent times) so it will take time for a New studio. And hopefully it will reach their other departments in Terms of growth and they can have in-house talent ready for their projects (and ofc some people joining them as well).
My man A1000 getting his much deserved shoutout. Love to see it. Great video as well, you owning up to your mistakes really made me respect you more. GOAT for a reason
Lmao thanks. Why i deserve a shoutout lmao 😂
@@A1000-b9s because you always provide lot of insight under both Manko and PP's videos. That's why you deserve it 😁
@@abhrajeet841 thanks man. But i personally don't have a lot of Knowledge compared to a lot of people. Manko and PP overall have much more Knowledge than i do. For this VS section and other things, i talked about it with yname. He has a shit ton of Knowledge
@justanaverageenjoyer920yeah he is amazing lol. I think he has been around for quite some time
@@A1000-b9s nah I know that, but your insights are always very thoughtful and knowledgeable. And yes Yname is a different breed bro has insane knowledge. You still deserve it tho
It's funny how you didn't show ANY scenes from Onimai 😂
But on the topic of Vinland Saga though, this production from a visual perspective is essentially everything I love to see in an anime. I always say that limited animation is not an immediately bad thing in am anime production, as great visual direction, strong drawings and color design is more than enough to make a great show. This season takes that and principle and adds so much more with the moments that are beautifully animated. Especially in the Kobayashi episodes (17 being my favorite), I was own away with the insane number of strong character art and use of art direction (the use of clouds, sunlight, rain and more throughout this whole season has Osamu Dezaki grinning in his grave with how far TV anime has come). I was constantly stunned by the quality of this production all throughout, making the already legendary manga story into a modern classic anime. This series gives me hope that we could get a similarly high quality adaptation for seinen like Vagabond, Berserk, Steel Ball Run, and more, even if the industry as a whole has me in servere doubt. Can't wait for season 3 and amazing video as always❤
By Mappa lmao. Cause now they always don't need to pick a Show that is super profitable. It can have a big Impact
He didn’t want a visit from Chris Hansen 😂
Truly one of the greatest shows of our time, and honoured that I get to live in a time where it was produced. Never have I cried more watching a show than in Vinland Season 2.
On the topic of MAPPA providing action resources to Season 2 I feel besides the lack of staff due to other projects it could be attributed to there not being that many action KAs in-house at MAPPA. I really feel that one of their biggest downsides is that they carry a freelancer army as opposed to various super KAs in-house. Though if we're talking about CG work then it is easy to say that they have an army of incredible 3D artists.
PS: An upload soon after a prior one??? I love me some surprises
Because tons of big KAs perfer to be freelancers. And they are a New studio too, when they started Training newbies, it's gonna take a while (if not others Join them). Also i don't know if wit actually has much in-house action animators either. Also they still lack in compositing department and CGI department (idk yet about background department). While Mappa has all of them in-house if I'm not wrong. So yeah
Yeah but they should def try to push for more In-house KA talent and just overall build up the in-house talent for the 2D department as the Seshimo train can only take you so many places.
I'm not sure I'd count MAPPA as too new, they're over a decade in the industry now but obviously compared to a lot of the studios they're babies.
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@@lebyandsmartiel318obviously I'm comparing them to big studios. A decade is still pretty new. It's just that Mappa's growth is abnormal lmao. Looks like they are Extremely working on douga artists and also 2KAs (you can see a lot of 2KAs like on JJK) that probably is a part of nakayama's Training. Some of them might be working in-house on Mappa
we have no enemies
Give this man more subs
love your video ❤❤
Have you seen some of the "controversy" going around Twitter involving the Invincible: Atom Eve special?
Particularly, about Kevin Molina-Ortiz calling his work on it "storyboards" but then you look at it and it's pretty much a rough layout. Like they're making him do more work than he should've and likely giving him less pay for it.
still probably has a bigger salary than if he did storyboard, layout and key animation at the same time in a japanese project
Are you going to do a vid on FGO 2023 memorial video? Ive never seen anything so lovey. It truly looks like the genga came to life, in most other shows the compositing makes the genga worse but her it actually looks fully realized.
Yesssssssss, ep 14 is indeed the best episode of Vinland saga season 1
Great video, this was very eye opening
Season 3 will contain a war arc but that will not be the whole season, before and after we have quite a bit. Just a lot of people don't like the war part so they clown on it and call everything that comes after the war arc. In terms of action, it's not that heavy. Not much fighting of the war is shown in the manga. I'd say it has around the same amount of action season 2 has
Plz more young SAKUGA artist breakdown if possible
Bet you've been enjoying doing that video
Vinland looked absolutely stunning, no two ways about it.
I like this well constructed analysis
Again with hp, instead of core 2 it is getting season 2, so otsuka is on two something I guess. Lord have mercy that he doesn't get those cravings again
If I remember csm was supposed to be 24 ep anime which was later decided to have season 2/movie instead of cour 2 so I guess hp will improve in season 2. Just how much? Is the question here
And for MAPPA, they know there priorities, and they way dorohidoro is getting recognised and recommended nowadays.
So I hope hayashi can get to work on his passion child again after aot. I would love to see season 2 of dorohidoro
It sounds dilutional but I hope we see a hayashi directed episode in Vinland of csm, just one. Largely for the fact that both shows can use hayashi's cinematic style and the way he portrays horror.
At the end
I wanna say one thing,
It feels like I am on a trip because holy shit 2 videos of this quality in less than a week!!
Who tf said it was cour 2? S2 is only announced. It would've had a release date if it had a cour 2 bro. Otsuka is not a braindead person as you think bro lol. And CSM is impossible to have 24 episodes with THIS Standard
@@A1000-b9s well yeah csm was rumoured to have 24 episodes ,and it does make sense that 24 episodes of this magnitude will crash the fucking studio. And I never said manobu is a brain-dead greedy man, i just showed my concern about his actions recently.
We have had conversations before and I never uttered those words, so kindly. I would like to defend my self on that
Manobu had his fair share of wins and fuckups. With hp it was one of his fuckups but seeing his vision I respect that man. If he was a brain-dead greedy man, MAPPA would have crumbled to pieces. He knows the right time to stop taking his project drips.
And lastly my question, will hp season 2 look good?
It will be better than season 1 coz you cannot dig beyond the bottom, but how much better?
Time will tell, and if manubu manages to revive that mess of a project then I can say mappa is not going down anytime soon and I can watch anime without worries that mappa is gonna collapse.
I rest my case my lord, I hope I haven't embarrassed myself by saying complete bullshit🥲
@@gamerboyrax2222yeah if he was braindead. Mappa couldn't even be Mappa Today (while also being a New studio), making a name, expanding the Studio this much, making in-house staff and departments, Training newbies, incredible marketing ofc, investing on their shows. he is still gaining experience (as he also said). I think some sacrifices needs to made. And hey, terrible productions are all across the industry (that's just how fucked the industry as a whole is). But Mappa actually is taking a move and growing as a studio (any other studio would've get destroyed with this much high profile Shows) without getting into a A-1 or cloverworks situation. Not to mention the insane connections that they have (jigo would've probably looked very good it it had a better schedule, they putted a shit ton of people on it)
@@A1000-b9s yeah hp had shit tone of people thrown in
While I hope season 2 gets a better schedule. And I seriously wonder how people are very positive about hp but these same people bashed the shit out of csm, just retards tbh.
And mappa being formed in the early 2000s is doing far better than more established studios, heck even vinsant or Chris( I don't remember) said on Twitter about how they got contacted at the last moment, cracking production at toei? Maybe or maybe not
A few more years of grind and they will be as stable as ufo and kyoani while being bigger then them in number of staff and quantity of shows while mentioning comparable or even better in some aspects shows
Otsuka San is onto some big stuff, isn't he?
Damn that gets me excited 😆
@@gamerboyrax2222 2011. I can say it started since 2016. they will probably be like Pro I.G. I always try to keep my expectations at Middle. To see good and bad sides and don't get too excited. Something like this requires a good amount of time and money (while yes Mappa's growth is abnormal). It still takes a good amount of time. But from What we can see, they are actually going in that way, from Their actions and manabu's recent interview. Why we see even gosso work in-house in Mappa?
nice video never realized how many great animated cuts s1 has
and I'm not sucking up map balls, but without them we might not have an S2. What other studio would pick up Vinland Saga? Wit gave up on the project, it sure wasn't perfect, but maybe it's the best we could get
Maybe on the action
16:13 you think that it would've looked Really good like their other projects if The schedule wasn't this bad right?
Yess, make another vinland saga video..,🤝✊
Thank you for the video. I better go and watch Vinland Saga
Yessir manko man video
Hope for Gear 5 video
day 1
hey manko, been watching you for a while and your channel has lots of potential. If I have a business question is this a good place to ask it?
My twitter DMs are open.
@@-MankoMan it says i gotta be verified or mutuals to DM i didnt even know that was a thing😭
@@tater8960I didn't know that was a thing either lol. Anyway, I've changed the setting. DMS should hopefully be open now. Another very easy way of contacting me is on Anilist.
Great video man, one question how long did it take for it to complete excluding per-production,so basically when the full production began ? like 9months-1 year, and if let's say it was action heavy how much more time would it would have required ?
Lastly,, when are most KA done with their cuts timeline wise like 3 months before an episode airs usually on average ?
So they pulled off this quality without "raw animation power", kinda sick to be honest
Say without is pretty bad. They did had Raw Animation Power but not nearly as much as Mappa's high IPs. But The schedule was enough for those people to carry the action. Not to mention that they Received a shit ton of help from Mappa in Terms of douga artists and animation directors
Would you like to make a video on Pluto the anime pls?
Can you please make video on hunter x hunter 2011. Because I can’t find anything about on Sakuga booru (may do ep 126)
which website can I get information about the staf of an anime pls? btw good video Manko
Anime news network and Sakugabooru.
@@-MankoMan keep going your good work. I really like your video and it helps me practise my English :)
Can you discuss what TF is in the water over at One Piece lately?!
Nice
At this point, who HASN'T worked on onimai lol
Yutapon...
@@carloscauan7967I hate to break it to you, but Yutapon has drawn an official end card for Onimai.
W
Can we get a hayashi video
wow, so fast
What are your top five best animated shows in your opinion.
Yeah wits in-house animators for s1 did an incredible job on the action, that’s what was missing in s2(I still loved it tho)
In-house or just like to work in wit?
Overall s2 is an improvement definitely to s1
@@A1000-b9s both and yes the art was more consistent in s2
@@chrisrey0018compositing, no god awful CGI models. And more delivering direction wise
@@A1000-b9s I liked s1’s compositing more imo. They had less time than s2 so cgi was expected for an action packed season.
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The number of storyboards made by a director IT'S NOT representative of the amount of time he had to work on a production
Let's take Tokyo ghoul Re as an example : it's common knowledge that it had the worst schedule of any TG Anime, right? But the it also had it's own director that solo storyboarded all it's 24 eps (+ both the 2 OP and ED) in a row.
So that should mean that, according to your belief in reality the schedule was good right? No, not at all
You're completely ignoring production conditions of shows and simply taking details out of context.
Tokyo ghoul re had terrible quality storyboards. It obviously takes little time to just rip off manga panels and put them in the anime in a much inferior way, even for one person. Whereas take an example like Dorohedoro where every shot was uniquely composed, where again, Hayashi storyboarded the whole show. Clearly it was because he had a good schedule that he was able to have such a high quality and quantity of output.
Yabuta's storyboards are of high complexity, and the fact that he was able to do more of it for S2 goes hand in hand with the better schedule.
@@-MankoMan uhhm no, there is also to consider the speed of the storyboarder, if he is working on other Anime while storyboarding his own series and such
Then, complexity of yabuta storyboards...
Yes, but mostly no considering that his SB are what I call a "Colonoscopy" (sadly a reality for many directors of the new generation).
But it's perfectly understandable that he's still not that well refined in SB. After all he stared his career as a photographer, then after just a few years he became a cgi animator and a cgi director (a really mediocre one, even for MadBox standards).
He has never been an animator and this in my opinion is what still makes him a hit or miss storyboarder
Then
@@lorenzorizzi864 Aah yes, "speed of storyboarder". I guess that's why Hayashi wasn't able to work nearly as much for aot final compared to Dorohedoro. Not because the schedule for aot was much worse than Dorohedoro, but Hayashi's speed was magically reduced in the span of a year.
Also idk if you're blatantly disrespecting Yabuta as a bait comment or if you're truly so far gone that you believe yourself to be far superior to these artists such that you can afford to talk crap about them on a scale that goes far beyond just "criticism". Either way you're not coming out looking good, buddy.
@@-MankoMan I'm not disrespecting him, I also had the pleasure to talk with him various time on Twitter around 1 year ago. I'm just saying what I believe about his overall skill (that I repeat, are perfectly understandable for someone that entered the industry as a photographer and that switched position shortly after)
@@-MankoMan if we compare aot the final season p1 to dorohedoro, then he clearly chose to work more on second one.
About part 2... He only made 6 SB for it (basically nothing for his standards) while for part 1 he SB 11 eps out of 16. So according to what you said Part 1 had a better schedule than part 2
It's hilarious just to write it.
Part 3 (part 1) wasn't fully storyboarded by him. Does that mean that the schedule of it was bad? No, he just decided to jump on kakegurui and making 3 SB in a row , because after all he liked to work on the previous 2 seasons of it.
After all it's an Anime about gambling and you know, Japanese(especially around their 50s like hayashi seems to be) like gambling in whatever form it is.
Please tell me how do you know about any studios production schedule
By reading the info about production posted by people who have more knowledge than me, like purplegeth, Kvin etc.
@@-MankoManso you don't actually have an opinion of your own, you just take for granted whatever those freaks say?
Kvin it's the same freak that in a group chat (inside there were other people, like the Italian assistant animation producer FAR) said that he wished that Mappa burned instead of Kyoto Animation and that he despise the direction of Csm only because Nakayama made it under Mappa. He wanted it in one of his favorite studios like Shaft.
I still have to figure it out why he and the rest of the "important" sakuga freaks on Twitter have such a grudge against... An animation studio 😂
@@-MankoMani think it's the best to see What the staff working on the Show says or have any complain about The production
@@A1000-b9sa thing that make me laugh, it's that sakugafreaks judge the production of Csm on weds Tanaka said before the airing of ep 9... But ignoring the fact that he is the only Super Animator that currently works in far more productions that he should and is known why (or it would better to say :" it was known why").
It's related to a tweet he made 3-4 years ago answering the question of why, contrary to other animators of his level he basically works for every Anime he can for.
His response was strict but pretty hilarious ; he basically said, that sadly many Japanese men of his age he's addicted to gambling, especially pachinko and Mahjong, so he needs to work more than he should in order to substain his bad abit.
It has sono been a year since my disappearance from Twitter, but sadly I remember him eliminating the conversation the last time I checked sadly.
But... Perfectly understandable since it would probably ruin knowing he's a hard gambler despite it being an extremely popular problem not only in Japan, but in general in the whole north-east and south east Asia
@@lorenzorizzi864 LMAO. I think because tanaka was also the episode director for onimai 8# at that time, and also working on other things. That's probably why he was standing up
What's a douga artist? I've heard the term douga but idk what it means in this context
in betweeners
I have a question if jjk doesn't have adequate time for production then how does it look so good but when my hero academia has a separate studio dedicated through out its entire production and they may not have enough time for 24-25 episode but still they have more time than the jujutsu kaisen but still jjk looks better
Maybe because The schedule isn't as bad. Also JJK had much more big KAs and talent behind it. Some guesses can made here and there. Like i think episode 5 was in production at December 2022.
W video
Do you think that Vinland Saga season 2 beats anime like OPM season 1 and CSM season 1?
In Terms of Animation (movement). The whole VS is not even close to these two (obviously because of insanely detailed Character Designs) and there is no need for it
No not close
Does this vid contain spoilers
Otsuka may be to greedy and crazy by catching so much anime, but mappa didn't getting cash for last 4 years (except csm, tondemo) means he did it for fans mostly
No one of Mappa shows sold too much blu ray ofc
Vinland 700💀 all aot sold 2.500~
Think about it. Because The studio and in-house departments are expanding in an abnormal pace. They make a shit ton of money. Blu-ray dosen't even make a lot money anyway. Even in japan
bro blu ray isnt the main source of income anymore. and who told u aot s4 only sold 2500?
The reason is they sell the blu-ray on their website which does not show up in oricon data, Btw borth vinalnd and aot blu-rays are sold out on their website
Can you make a vedio about why was the berserk anime was so bad
There is no need to make one honestly, Canipa Effect wrote an article for ANN going into detail about the production circumstances
@@carloscauan7967 how can i find it?
Mm
I forgot how Vinland sold 700 blu ray for whole season 1😭
I will never forgive japanese weebs!!!
Thank you true fans
only in season 2. but idk it's called masterpiece unless you just watch this anime only entire life
He Watched a lot of stuff