I think the double tap on the Start/Stop is a safety mechanism to turn off the engine. Just like you can turn the ignition key to stop on the motorway, you have the option to turn off the engine in case of emergency. And let's be honest, it is highly unlikely that you would accidentally tap the button twice. Btw, if you hold the button for 3 seconds, the ignition will shut completely down. Reason is the same.
@@mehmetocak6849 for example after crash i would appreciate the possibility to turn off the engine and disconnect from electricity. And the double tap or holding for 3 seconds is actually what a panicked driver would do when he crashed and the engine is still running
First, Passat is no match to Mondeo in terms of handling and suspension. Second, 6.2/100km is what I average from 2.0 tdci Mondeo, so this hybrid is quite good. And third (the fun fact), did You know that estate version of this generation Mondeo actually has less boot space (below boot cover) than sedan/hatch?
@@CharllesC78 Cool! And now let's just talk about real world fuel economy - town, motorway and some countryside driving. My trip computer shows 5.9 and that is set from new (88.000km). You always get some 0.2-0.3 liter inaccuracy with these computer estimations, so I end up at ~6.2/100. Lets assume, that BMW is more efficient (which is), but 4.9/100 is not realistic under mixed conditions and we both know that ;)
In the mk4 the estate was shorter than the saloon and maybe even the hatchback. Also the mk4 has a bigger boot than the mk5 despite the mk5 being bigger on the outside.
Ive had both the passat and the Mondeo as company cars, I will be fully honest when I say the passat is nowhere near as good to drive and nowhere near as comfortable or quiet and also the Mondeo exterior is miles better looking. Vw really need to up their game. I currently have a new facelift Mazda 6 which is much better then both the Ford and vw to drive, wish it was as quiet as the Ford though.
It's Ford Fusion in the North America market and it will be discontinued in 2020 in North America because North America wants Pick up Truck's and SUV's
mondeo, vignale, b-max, c-max and galaxy models also be discountinued at europe by 2021, they will have 1 type suv car for the europain market. they have sold only 50k mondeos in 2019 to whole europe.
Hardly ever see Mondeo on the road any longer in the UK. The assumption is that every one I do see is driven by a rep for some large company. They might as well give up building the Mondeo. I believe that they are actually doing just that in the USA.
I drove one as a rental in seattle, washington with a lovelyy chrome grille and LED lighting, but it is called a ford edge with the usual USA auto version with a swivel dial for drive modes. Took me a few minutes to figure out how to start it, however it moves on electrical power and is therefore silent. It was a great car to drive and even got me in trouble by the cops for speeding. Let off with a warning. I found the acceleration slow and brake pedal a little hard to push down with a few cm of dead zone.
How's this for eerie timing? I was nosying on the old Facebook when I seen an advert for one of these, and I thought I'll fire up the old TH-cam and I swear to God,this was in my notifications. If I was an unmarried obsessive stalker,I'd write a song about you,in an Eminem stylee of Stan,but enough of my nonsense! In a former life I drove a taxi, and something like this would've been ideal,but Downpatrick is the hilliest town in the North, and this car produces the torque of an engine half it's size. Would suit a city centre like Dublin or London. I'll ask the wife for £30 grand if I can't flog my good kidney. Top man,top vid! Bit of light relief before going out to do a shift on dad's taxis!!
Great review, Bob, very balanced and interesting as usual. I had a 2L Zetec Mondeo a few years ago. Very easy to drive but a bit dull. One thing about it though, was the cavernous boot. I remember loading it up for a family holiday to Norfolk and being amazed at the amount of gear that fit in. You are absolutely right, if Ford have compromised that in the hybrid version, that is very short sighted.
The double tap has been a thing for along time in the fords. I remeber seeing an American channel doing it in I thing the explore (the larger kuga), or may be a fusion. Can't recall his channel, think he was a dutch guy that emigrated, and was car sales guy but also trying to start a channel of his own. He would do experiments like, what happens if you turn your car off, or force it in to reverse etc.. Stuff no one should do. He was rather interesting.
Reason for the boot loss is it was never designed to have a battery. Note reps who do lots of city driving and long commutes with stop start traffic might find it works if their boot just needs to take a laptop , overnight case and a golf bag
I wonder if ford is going to discontinue the monedo after 2020 considering the fusion was disconnected in the us and the galaxy and s max will be discounted Europe because people want cars on stilts. Might explain the lack of effort put into the hybrid.
if the batteries went in the floor they would have to uses materials such as hardened steel and kevlar to reduce the risk of penetration in event of a crash as they could explode rapidly. If the majority of the cars you expect to sell are going to be hybrids, like Toyota, then a skateboard chassis is viable however when only a small percentage of the vehicles will have batteries you put them at the furthest place from an accident.
Interesting: in US market Fusions Ford has done away with the shift lever. The shift lever was changed out a few years ago for a rotary knob, vaguely similar to the one Jaguar employs. The center console is similar to the one used by the Fusion, yet isn't exactly the same. The area between the shift lever and the touchscreen, I believe, is enclosed so that is different. And this is more of a correction: I believe the Ford Fusion Hybrid/Mondeo Hybrid use an E-CVT, and NOT a cvt....there is a difference. The E-CVT is a planetary geared transmission, the cvt is not planetary. And you are correct, that gas engine sounds like an angry leaf blower. Finally, my local Ford dealer is advertising 2018 Fusion "S" hybrids at several thousand dollars LESS than the equivalent 2019 Fusion S as a gas only car...not sure why, but in the US the hybrid Fusion is a sales dud. As a consequence, I can buy a 2018 Fusion S hybrid for the equivalent of £12,000 BEFORE taxes (7% of price) and registration fees and insurance.
I have the Peugeot 3008 H4 hybrid 2014 model with a 2L diesel engine driving the front axle and an electric motor driving the rear axle. and without trying to save fuel i get 50mpg which for an suv i think is quite good
Trevor Dunne yeah it’s like a panic stop button; someone pressing the start/stop button frantically if the car seems to be accelerating out of control. Steering and brakes are electrically assisted so they can stay on when the engine is off. Though you don’t have to completely stop to restart the car like in the video...it can be started in neutral too.
Mondeo just doesn’t cut it anymore with the competition out there but a nice balanced review all the same. I’m with you on the shopping bag hooks, it’s the small practical stuff that makes all the difference!
Hi Bob, I used to have a Mk1 Toyota Auris hybrid which also had a battery hump, the next version had a totally flat boot so this ford is just an old hodgepodge really. You would be better off with a current Prius.
It was the cvt noise that put me off the RAV4h. 2.5petrol with EV. I thought the cvt made it feel quite powerful and not feel slow, but OMG it was loud.
I drive an 09 mondeo diesel. The car is fine it does exactly what a car should without any fancy bits. I had to get the wetbelt done when I got the car and mechanic recommended I convert it to a timing chain which was a little bit more expensive. The car has been super reliable though.
Surely ford should have added a net that you can rise or lower Infront of the boot hump. That way you could put things on the hump,pull up the net (or little underfloor mounted roller blind) and they would stay there.
The hybrid variant has been on offer since 2014 in Croatia, so I believe it was also introduced in other countries aswell. It actually does OK mpg, but the automatic transmission is just lazy and confusing for the car itself. It is actually for city, countryside use, the battery shuts down above 80 km/h and refuels with braking, so basic stuff. Stupid thing is actually the fact that various car dealers represent it as a great fuel efficient car for long journeys, in reality the mpg is just usual as most other cars for high speeds. Passat is just to basic now and overly expensive, people seriously need to stop pushing it as a “great car” since the Mazda 6 has just wrecked everything else.
I used to drive mondeos and found them a really reliable car.. Can't see The hybrid being a great seller especially when the diesel is a reasonably economical car..
12:00 *Who else but an Irishman from Dublin would hit the Stop/Start Button while driving ? Try Next hitting either **_Reverse_** in Auto or better still **_Electric handbrake_** whilst doing 70 mph !* *I feel a future Video coming up to demonstrate (but not in my car thank you)*
Like the old Ghia brand. What rational person would pay the premium for the vignale model. It's bmw-audi-merc pricing. Can't see many company car managers sanctioning paying this premium. Nissan are the CVT kings and they now offer one without the rubber band effect.
i think VW are to build some EVs for Ford with VW's new factory. At home we had Sierras and then Mondeos until my folks retired from farming. We often towed a cattle box with 2 or 3 limousine bullocks in the back to the mart no hassle!
My Ioniq hybrid is two months old , currently getting 60mpg , expecting it to get into the 70s . I think that possibly this car was designed for fleets , primary to try and grab the Gov discount . Unfortunately they have cottoned on that fleet managers are buying hybrids to save money on the same spec car. Particularly plug ins , but the users are not using the plug in feature. Great review as usual .
Loads of info about cup holders and storage space but how about something about battery range, charging etc after all it is a review specifically about a hybrid!
I think this goes to show that most traditional automakers just don't get the change in the market! They are so far behind the current change and I expect that many of the current big companies will not survive the next 10 years.
Thanks for the review. Great work. Had me thinking of something - why are hybrid cars all petrol powered and not diesel? Wont diesel & electric motors be the best fuel efficient combination? (Also better low down torque combination.)
Because hybrids are designed for shorter journeys usually, so running a diesel on and off all the time means the DPF is more likely to clog and cause issues.
Hi bob great review as always ford have said they could be killing off the mondeo would that not hit the re sale of this car and with ford been in trouble is it a good move to buy there stuff as costs will be cut in wat ur paying silly money for in the first place
Longer in depth reviews get the 👍🏼from me - not that many doing decent reviews, the 4-5 min jobbys are a bit common and not that engaging, think the longer ones will bring a larger audience - nice one !!
I've got 2014 ford Mondeo Titanium X bs edition. It's got the display unit and everything...however noone seems to know anything about it. They don't know if it can be updated, custom firmware, don't know if it supports the reverse cam, don't suppose you guys will know ?
My 13 year old Rover 45 2.0 TD does 4.6-5.1l/100km or 55-61mpg and from what I've realised that fancy modern hybrids still can't beat a good old diesel on fuel consumption
Awesome video again bob, very honest and very entertaining as always! Looks like a fairly awful car from ford. Even ignoring the lack of knobs for the heating controls and no bag hooks it seems to be lacking in almost every department. The boot is useless, the backseat room is not what you would expect, the performance sounds like its a bit woeful. What is there to like? A leather dashboard? That sony screen looks like its O/S came from the 90's. Starting at £30k in the UK, its in a market of its own (a market where nobody buys cars Id expect!). Outside it looks like it should come with an apology!
Great review as always, nice work :) my wife and i recently had a baby boy and were finding it hard to pack everything needed in our current car. As such im looking at an estate - any recommendations? I heard the skoda superb is good?!
Si les villes comportent des ZFE et qu'il faut une vignette critair 1 cela peut faire choisir une hybride. C'est dommage d'avoir cesser la production maintenant alors que cela prenait du sens de plus en plus.
What is mean petrol engine and electric motor? Can you explain me please? The car has a electric battery for few kilometres, or you can always use the electric motor without petrol?
It is not just the common 2 liter engine but it is a Atkinson cycle engine. These Atkinson engine have a every high thermal efficiency. Also used by Toyota and Kia (Hyundai). No turbo's, no high output. Also not a great sound but more efficiënt and might last a lot longer.
Great review bob typical ford dabbling in electric cars why don’t they go for a full electric car I have just watched a new company called rivian who have two new vehicles coming out towards the end of 2020 one is a suv and the other is a pickup trunk which look amazing and they both have a range of between 240 to 410 miles depending on which battery pack you choose and I also think they have two new vehicles which I guess might be coming out later as well which I guess might be cars 😎
Looks like you couldn't fit more than one body in that boot then.........lol. Just bought one, a very nice car for the money just a little slow on acceleration compared to my old mazda 3 diesel 2,2. So far the electric engine seems to kick in at will even when doing 70mph but looking at the inbuilt stats it has so far run around 20% of the time with the electric motor during general driving. Just to add its only looking down at the screen I notice if its either the petrol or electric engine driving as both are of equally low audible levels. Fuel consumption so far is 59.8 miles per (UK) gallon as opposed to my Mazda 3 diesel which gave 57 MPG..
*Question is it a **_Plug in Hybrid_** with a range on electric of around 30 miles, or is it a big con "Self Charging Hybrid" that has a Electric Motor assist and tiny battery pack. Sold as a misleading (more like deceitful) means of suggesting 21st Century ECO Problem saving ?*
Such a dreary looking car. Really needs an update. You’d be mad to buy a 191 in this with whats currently out in the market. Any plans on reviewing the upcoming bmw x7 or z4? Whats your thoughts on the new golf design ?
The vinale spec is hideous. I was sat in one the other week, and the titanium is far nicer. Although the one I was in had cream and blue leather. It was chavy, it was like pretending to be posh, and come across gordy.
Basically, it's a compliance car. Lacks any ambition and is just there to make up the numbers - or at least bring Ford's CO2 company product average level down.
Nice review as ever Bob. I really liked a previous generation Mondeo 2 litre petrol I had, but the present car is a tad too long for me, and in this hybrid vignale trim is too expensive and (as you pointed out) loses practicality due to that awful boot step. The car is a total "no" from my PoV: even after the depreciation has made it a decent 2nd hand buy, that compromised boot will always be a problem. Sadly this is Ford showing us why they are falling behind in the game, and ultimately why they are stopping car sales in the US. I just hope the Fiesta and Focus survive. Oversized & overweight SUVs should have no place in an environmentally aware future, but this seems the only European relevant segment Ford seems interested in.
The guy never really informs. All that barb about boot space and storage room. Like you are about to move in to it. I've got one delivered for my activities next week. Would have helped to showcase some basic practical information / features.
If you want a good family Hybrid car just buy the new Camery Hybrid they have been making Hybrid cars for the last 20 years while all the others are playing catch up.
Someone can pull the handbrake in a car on the motorway too and it won't end well. The fact that if you press the On/Off button twice the engine turns off doesn't bother me. I wouldn't buy this car in a million years anyway.
Misleading review at 1st he says there a problem with the noise it makes when pushed hard and when he pushed hard he went on to say doesn’t make that bad off the sound just not that fast enough... misleading
I wouldn't buy this car. It doesn't excel in ANY way over the competitors. I had this car for 2 weeks as a hire car while my Pug 407 2.0 Diesel was being repaired (crash damaged). I hypermiled the mondeo and got a grand total of 42.5mpg (6.65l/100km). That's simply horrible when my Pug could easily get 65mpg. Best part is, both weighed the same! Stick with the normal diesel and you'll get better fuel economy, more boot space (that battery pack is awkwardly shaped). Or just get something else!
The no1 selling sedan in the UK is a BMW 3 series, smaller than a Mondeo and much like the A4 so forget about the Mondeo being larger, buyers want prestige even when the A4 is mostly a Passat in drag.
@@stephendoherty8291 the Mondeo has completely priced it's self out the market now. I hardly see any new ones. Most company car list's don't include the Mondeo anymore
As they are top of the sales market in most segments, they have just 'rested on their lorals' far to long. Both them and vauxhall are miles behind anyone else in the market. Them dials in this Mondeo have been in use for about 10 years plus. And they look it. They won't realise untill sales drop off a cliff, and them they wont have the income to change anthing. skoda and Seat I see as fords main competitor, or rather threat, they sell similar cars, but are far nicer inside. Them we have Peugeot and they are killing the 'styling' arm. Them this vinale time is Ugly and knocking on the price door of the next segment up. The whole vinale line makes zero sense tbh. It does to ford, as they are selling the same crap for alot extra. But for that money you could buy the skoda suberb redline, with is very nicely kitted out, has everything and more that the mondeos offers , and alomast 300hp. Or you could get a mid level 3 series and A4 or even the similar merc. For the price of this Mondeo with a leather dashboard. Lol
They were playing catch up when they released this Mondeo and the plugable "Fusion" Energi in the states in 2012/13. Quite insulting to the EU market how they advertise their offerings as brand new with a healthy dose of greenwashing.
@@toyotaprius79 across the board ford had been serving up outdated crap for over 10 years. It will eventually backfire. They are taking the life long ford fans for granted, they die. They need to keep their lines fresh and keep intising fresh blood into the fold. 10 years ago it was the Citroën DS line that was making stuff that look 10 years ahead of ford in thd interior department. For hasn't change anything much since then. Now everyone else (bar opel/Vx) has caught up with the DS interior style. Pug even surpassed it.
Well that's not quite right. Just because you don't get the innovation straight away does not mean they have stopped. Their whole ecoboost range is state of the art; and their 10 speed auto is up there with the best as well. Not some dodgy DSG that VW et al want to force upon you.
Ford is like Nokia, they were super popular long time ago and now they try too hard to become the cool kid again. Both the Mondeo hybrid and Focus EV is a total joke! You kind of can’t ompare them against the Passat Phev and e-golf since the Fords are just depressing bad cars...
If trying to hard means the parts and repairs are now on par with a Audi and Bmw. Ford are indeed walking a dangerous line. Ford modeo's are not selling well anymore it's much cheaper to get a Passat now. But the Passat is absolute garbage. It's almost like the two have swapped places. I think when kia+Hyundai came in ford lost there market.
This is poor from a supposedly expert car reviewer. The Mondeo uses a similar system as Toyota. That means 1 engine, 2 motors, planetary gear set, batteries. When will motor journos learn?
@@MrConor159 correct. But that isn't the point. Bob said 1 electric motor. There are 2 motors. If you think further, the Toyota hsd system has advantages over single motor hybrids which is almost never mentioned by motor journos.
I love this car, and I love the Ford jingle
I think the double tap on the Start/Stop is a safety mechanism to turn off the engine. Just like you can turn the ignition key to stop on the motorway, you have the option to turn off the engine in case of emergency. And let's be honest, it is highly unlikely that you would accidentally tap the button twice.
Btw, if you hold the button for 3 seconds, the ignition will shut completely down. Reason is the same.
what are those emergency situations? ( that may require complete shutdown while driving with 12 0kmp/h ? )
@@mehmetocak6849 for example after crash i would appreciate the possibility to turn off the engine and disconnect from electricity.
And the double tap or holding for 3 seconds is actually what a panicked driver would do when he crashed and the engine is still running
First, Passat is no match to Mondeo in terms of handling and suspension. Second, 6.2/100km is what I average from 2.0 tdci Mondeo, so this hybrid is quite good. And third (the fun fact), did You know that estate version of this generation Mondeo actually has less boot space (below boot cover) than sedan/hatch?
I am getting 4.9/100km on my BMW Gran Tourer with a 2.0 diesel. So not very economical.
@@CharllesC78 Cool! And now let's just talk about real world fuel economy - town, motorway and some countryside driving. My trip computer shows 5.9 and that is set from new (88.000km). You always get some 0.2-0.3 liter inaccuracy with these computer estimations, so I end up at ~6.2/100. Lets assume, that BMW is more efficient (which is), but 4.9/100 is not realistic under mixed conditions and we both know that ;)
In the mk4 the estate was shorter than the saloon and maybe even the hatchback. Also the mk4 has a bigger boot than the mk5 despite the mk5 being bigger on the outside.
Ive had both the passat and the Mondeo as company cars, I will be fully honest when I say the passat is nowhere near as good to drive and nowhere near as comfortable or quiet and also the Mondeo exterior is miles better looking. Vw really need to up their game. I currently have a new facelift Mazda 6 which is much better then both the Ford and vw to drive, wish it was as quiet as the Ford though.
It's Ford Fusion in the North America market and it will be discontinued in 2020 in North America because North America wants Pick up Truck's and SUV's
mondeo, vignale, b-max, c-max and galaxy models also be discountinued at europe by 2021, they will have 1 type suv car for the europain market. they have sold only 50k mondeos in 2019 to whole europe.
Hardly ever see Mondeo on the road any longer in the UK. The assumption is that every one I do see is driven by a rep for some large company. They might as well give up building the Mondeo. I believe that they are actually doing just that in the USA.
I drove one as a rental in seattle, washington with a lovelyy chrome grille and LED lighting, but it is called a ford edge with the usual USA auto version with a swivel dial for drive modes. Took me a few minutes to figure out how to start it, however it moves on electrical power and is therefore silent. It was a great car to drive and even got me in trouble by the cops for speeding. Let off with a warning. I found the acceleration slow and brake pedal a little hard to push down with a few cm of dead zone.
I dropped my Ford Vignale Hybrid to 5.2 /100 km in the city with AC on .
So that’s pretty amazing :-)
I wonder how reliable is this hybrid version and what the resale value will be
Nice car, very good review. Thanks for your smile!
"Sounded like a bag of cats being killed" :'D
Ive said it before, and I'll say it again, I love the poetry in your descriptions of things. :)
You should hear the stuff that gets cut out! Cheers David
How's this for eerie timing? I was nosying on the old Facebook when I seen an advert for one of these, and I thought I'll fire up the old TH-cam and I swear to God,this was in my notifications. If I was an unmarried obsessive stalker,I'd write a song about you,in an Eminem stylee of Stan,but enough of my nonsense! In a former life I drove a taxi, and something like this would've been ideal,but Downpatrick is the hilliest town in the North, and this car produces the torque of an engine half it's size. Would suit a city centre like Dublin or London. I'll ask the wife for £30 grand if I can't flog my good kidney. Top man,top vid! Bit of light relief before going out to do a shift on dad's taxis!!
That weird algorithm sending you my way for a review that you seen an ad for yesterday, life is weird these days
@@BobFlavinVideo as I approach my mid 40s, everything becomes eerier. Great wordsmithery by the way!
Y is everything old
Great review, Bob, very balanced and interesting as usual. I had a 2L Zetec Mondeo a few years ago. Very easy to drive but a bit dull. One thing about it though, was the cavernous boot. I remember loading it up for a family holiday to Norfolk and being amazed at the amount of gear that fit in. You are absolutely right, if Ford have compromised that in the hybrid version, that is very short sighted.
Very good review ! Thx Bob !
The double tap has been a thing for along time in the fords. I remeber seeing an American channel doing it in I thing the explore (the larger kuga), or may be a fusion.
Can't recall his channel, think he was a dutch guy that emigrated, and was car sales guy but also trying to start a channel of his own. He would do experiments like, what happens if you turn your car off, or force it in to reverse etc.. Stuff no one should do. He was rather interesting.
Swedish i think, autovlog?
IT'S A DOUBLE TAP TURN OFF DA CARRR!!!! lolll great review.
Honoured to have Geordi on the channel!
Reason for the boot loss is it was never designed to have a battery. Note reps who do lots of city driving and long commutes with stop start traffic might find it works if their boot just needs to take a laptop , overnight case and a golf bag
I wonder if ford is going to discontinue the monedo after 2020 considering the fusion was disconnected in the us and the galaxy and s max will be discounted Europe because people want cars on stilts.
Might explain the lack of effort put into the hybrid.
if the batteries went in the floor they would have to uses materials such as hardened steel and kevlar to reduce the risk of penetration in event of a crash as they could explode rapidly. If the majority of the cars you expect to sell are going to be hybrids, like Toyota, then a skateboard chassis is viable however when only a small percentage of the vehicles will have batteries you put them at the furthest place from an accident.
Sales rep drive Hyundai Tucson 1.7 DCT and I’m very happy. Only 44 MPG through but longer service intervals offset everything
Interesting: in US market Fusions Ford has done away with the shift lever. The shift lever was changed out a few years ago for a rotary knob, vaguely similar to the one Jaguar employs.
The center console is similar to the one used by the Fusion, yet isn't exactly the same. The area between the shift lever and the touchscreen, I believe, is enclosed so that is different.
And this is more of a correction: I believe the Ford Fusion Hybrid/Mondeo Hybrid use an E-CVT, and NOT a cvt....there is a difference. The E-CVT is a planetary geared transmission, the cvt is not planetary.
And you are correct, that gas engine sounds like an angry leaf blower.
Finally, my local Ford dealer is advertising 2018 Fusion "S" hybrids at several thousand dollars LESS than the equivalent 2019 Fusion S as a gas only car...not sure why, but in the US the hybrid Fusion is a sales dud. As a consequence, I can buy a 2018 Fusion S hybrid for the equivalent of £12,000 BEFORE taxes (7% of price) and registration fees and insurance.
I have the Peugeot 3008 H4 hybrid 2014 model with a 2L diesel engine driving the front axle and an electric motor driving the rear axle. and without trying to save fuel i get 50mpg which for an suv i think is quite good
Would be nice to see the engine. I think the double tab to switch off engine is a emergency switch off in case of fire or accident
Trevor Dunne yeah it’s like a panic stop button; someone pressing the start/stop button frantically if the car seems to be accelerating out of control. Steering and brakes are electrically assisted so they can stay on when the engine is off.
Though you don’t have to completely stop to restart the car like in the video...it can be started in neutral too.
Mondeo just doesn’t cut it anymore with the competition out there but a nice balanced review all the same. I’m with you on the shopping bag hooks, it’s the small practical stuff that makes all the difference!
The new Peugeot 508(iirc) just shits all over Ford and Vauxhalls attempts atm.
Hi Bob.great review.any chance you can kill the background music?a tad distracting otherwise top notch vid.thanks Bob.
Hi Bob, I used to have a Mk1 Toyota Auris hybrid which also had a battery hump, the next version had a totally flat boot so this ford is just an old hodgepodge really. You would be better off with a current Prius.
It was the cvt noise that put me off the RAV4h. 2.5petrol with EV. I thought the cvt made it feel quite powerful and not feel slow, but OMG it was loud.
I drive an 09 mondeo diesel. The car is fine it does exactly what a car should without any fancy bits. I had to get the wetbelt done when I got the car and mechanic recommended I convert it to a timing chain which was a little bit more expensive. The car has been super reliable though.
Surely ford should have added a net that you can rise or lower Infront of the boot hump.
That way you could put things on the hump,pull up the net (or little underfloor mounted roller blind) and they would stay there.
The hybrid variant has been on offer since 2014 in Croatia, so I believe it was also introduced in other countries aswell. It actually does OK mpg, but the automatic transmission is just lazy and confusing for the car itself. It is actually for city, countryside use, the battery shuts down above 80 km/h and refuels with braking, so basic stuff. Stupid thing is actually the fact that various car dealers represent it as a great fuel efficient car for long journeys, in reality the mpg is just usual as most other cars for high speeds. Passat is just to basic now and overly expensive, people seriously need to stop pushing it as a “great car” since the Mazda 6 has just wrecked everything else.
I used to drive mondeos and found them a really reliable car.. Can't see The hybrid being a great seller especially when the diesel is a reasonably economical car..
12:00 *Who else but an Irishman from Dublin would hit the Stop/Start Button while driving ? Try Next hitting either **_Reverse_** in Auto or better still **_Electric handbrake_** whilst doing 70 mph !*
*I feel a future Video coming up to demonstrate (but not in my car thank you)*
The step in the boot caused by the batterys is because they are forward of the spare wheel and not over it.
Like the old Ghia brand. What rational person would pay the premium for the vignale model. It's bmw-audi-merc pricing. Can't see many company car managers sanctioning paying this premium. Nissan are the CVT kings and they now offer one without the rubber band effect.
Would be nice to hear the electric motor sound!! Dam.......… you never shut up!!!
i think VW are to build some EVs for Ford with VW's new factory. At home we had Sierras and then Mondeos until my folks retired from farming. We often towed a cattle box with 2 or 3 limousine bullocks in the back to the mart no hassle!
My Ioniq hybrid is two months old , currently getting 60mpg , expecting it to get into the 70s . I think that possibly this car was designed for fleets , primary to try and grab the Gov discount . Unfortunately they have cottoned on that fleet managers are buying hybrids to save money on the same spec car. Particularly plug ins , but the users are not using the plug in feature. Great review as usual .
Loads of info about cup holders and storage space but how about something about battery range, charging etc after all it is a review specifically about a hybrid!
Well not much to say about those, its self loading hybrid after all.
I think this goes to show that most traditional automakers just don't get the change in the market! They are so far behind the current change and I expect that many of the current big companies will not survive the next 10 years.
Try changing a headlamp bulb at the roadside
Thanks for the review. Great work. Had me thinking of something - why are hybrid cars all petrol powered and not diesel? Wont diesel & electric motors be the best fuel efficient combination? (Also better low down torque combination.)
Because hybrids are designed for shorter journeys usually, so running a diesel on and off all the time means the DPF is more likely to clog and cause issues.
Well volvo has diesel hybrids still
Peugeot and Citroën also have Diesel Hybrids. But they are all in PSA with Volvo
Hi bob great review as always ford have said they could be killing off the mondeo would that not hit the re sale of this car and with ford been in trouble is it a good move to buy there stuff as costs will be cut in wat ur paying silly money for in the first place
New facelift mondeo coming early this year, not sure why your reviewing an outgoing model?
Longer in depth reviews get the 👍🏼from me - not that many doing decent reviews, the 4-5 min jobbys are a bit common and not that engaging, think the longer ones will bring a larger audience - nice one !!
I've got 2014 ford Mondeo Titanium X bs edition. It's got the display unit and everything...however noone seems to know anything about it. They don't know if it can be updated, custom firmware, don't know if it supports the reverse cam, don't suppose you guys will know ?
Bob wasent this car introduced in america over 5years ago.
Yep it was but they've stopped making anything but trucks in US so now we get this stuff
@@BobFlavinVideo So where does a five year old hybrid mondeo fit in the Irish car market.
Mondeo and Vignale is not sold in USA. They have Fusion and the Platinum trim which is close to same as vignale.
It's not new in Europe either.
Will you try to get your hands on the new rav4 hybrid and the Camry hybrid.....These 2 will set the benchmark for all others to follow.
My 13 year old Rover 45 2.0 TD does 4.6-5.1l/100km or 55-61mpg and from what I've realised that fancy modern hybrids still can't beat a good old diesel on fuel consumption
Nice review Bob
Superb beats all the cars you listed hands down bob
Awesome video again bob, very honest and very entertaining as always! Looks like a fairly awful car from ford. Even ignoring the lack of knobs for the heating controls and no bag hooks it seems to be lacking in almost every department. The boot is useless, the backseat room is not what you would expect, the performance sounds like its a bit woeful. What is there to like? A leather dashboard? That sony screen looks like its O/S came from the 90's. Starting at £30k in the UK, its in a market of its own (a market where nobody buys cars Id expect!). Outside it looks like it should come with an apology!
Great review as always, nice work :) my wife and i recently had a baby boy and were finding it hard to pack everything needed in our current car. As such im looking at an estate - any recommendations? I heard the skoda superb is good?!
Ik this is an old comment, but a family of 5 will all be comfortable on a long drive
Si les villes comportent des ZFE et qu'il faut une vignette critair 1 cela peut faire choisir une hybride. C'est dommage d'avoir cesser la production maintenant alors que cela prenait du sens de plus en plus.
Its petrol engine and electric motor Bob.
What is mean petrol engine and electric motor? Can you explain me please? The car has a electric battery for few kilometres, or you can always use the electric motor without petrol?
@@georgegikopoulos5728 I like to know that too but i am guessing the answer is no, it will not work without petrol or disel.
@@georgegikopoulos5728 prob has a generator which charges the same dc battery that you also charge. & The car just runs off the dc motor
Your the man Bob.
Cheers David!
Going to have to try to double tap my start button now and see what it does.
It is not just the common 2 liter engine but it is a Atkinson cycle engine. These Atkinson engine have a every high thermal efficiency. Also used by Toyota and Kia (Hyundai). No turbo's, no high output. Also not a great sound but more efficiënt and might last a lot longer.
Great review bob typical ford dabbling in electric cars why don’t they go for a full electric car I have just watched a new company called rivian who have two new vehicles coming out towards the end of 2020 one is a suv and the other is a pickup trunk which look amazing and they both have a range of between 240 to 410 miles depending on which battery pack you choose and I also think they have two new vehicles which I guess might be coming out later as well which I guess might be cars 😎
Looks like you couldn't fit more than one body in that boot then.........lol. Just bought one, a very nice car for the money just a little slow on acceleration compared to my old mazda 3 diesel 2,2. So far the electric engine seems to kick in at will even when doing 70mph but looking at the inbuilt stats it has so far run around 20% of the time with the electric motor during general driving. Just to add its only looking down at the screen I notice if its either the petrol or electric engine driving as both are of equally low audible levels. Fuel consumption so far is 59.8 miles per (UK) gallon as opposed to my Mazda 3 diesel which gave 57 MPG..
*Question is it a **_Plug in Hybrid_** with a range on electric of around 30 miles, or is it a big con "Self Charging Hybrid" that has a Electric Motor assist and tiny battery pack. Sold as a misleading (more like deceitful) means of suggesting 21st Century ECO Problem saving ?*
Such a dreary looking car. Really needs an update. You’d be mad to buy a 191 in this with whats currently out in the market. Any plans on reviewing the upcoming bmw x7 or z4? Whats your thoughts on the new golf design ?
facelift coming this spring actually
I love this guys reviews. I'd watch him review a toilet bowl 😂😂
So are so kind, thanks very much!
Bob Flavin no problem Bob. I'm in Hobart Tasmania and I literally just bought a 2012 Mondeo Diesel based on one of your reviews :)
Good' review Bob, wouldnt be a Mondeo fan, think Ford need to bring a new model to the market, all other brands constantly tweeking
The vinale spec is hideous. I was sat in one the other week, and the titanium is far nicer. Although the one I was in had cream and blue leather. It was chavy, it was like pretending to be posh, and come across gordy.
Look. My mum had a daf 55 for 18 years. We grew up with worse CVT (variomatic) whines.
Be nice to have a focus estate hybrid but it would just cost to much.
My diesel 171 RAV4 would eat that for breakfast when it comes to l/100km 😁
Two things can go wrong just in the name of this car.
Basically, it's a compliance car. Lacks any ambition and is just there to make up the numbers - or at least bring Ford's CO2 company product average level down.
Looks like a Fusion here with a different hood.
Nice review as ever Bob. I really liked a previous generation Mondeo 2 litre petrol I had, but the present car is a tad too long for me, and in this hybrid vignale trim is too expensive and (as you pointed out) loses practicality due to that awful boot step.
The car is a total "no" from my PoV: even after the depreciation has made it a decent 2nd hand buy, that compromised boot will always be a problem. Sadly this is Ford showing us why they are falling behind in the game, and ultimately why they are stopping car sales in the US. I just hope the Fiesta and Focus survive. Oversized & overweight SUVs should have no place in an environmentally aware future, but this seems the only European relevant segment Ford seems interested in.
No satnav in a Vignale?
Doamne, ce mă irită volanul pe dreapta. Totuși, mașina imi place.
The guy never really informs. All that barb about boot space and storage room. Like you are about to move in to it. I've got one delivered for my activities next week. Would have helped to showcase some basic practical information / features.
Has anyone asked Ford what happens if the battery runs flat?
I the s max you get uglier seats & nicer fogs then some chrome splashed about for the 3k...
starts at 11:56
The titanium-x. Is £2k more than a normal titanium.... this is only £1k more again.
He complain about Mondeos fuel economy because a Polo with 1 liter engine get 0.7 l/100km better consumption (5.5 versus 6.2). What the hell?
Aw ok, so you normally drive your car on the motorway and hit the stop button like a lunatic..great review yeah....
You hit the stop witch and get surprised that the car actually stops 🤦
Every ford I have had has a dashboard rattle that no one can find
3:54 - i guess you wanted to say Waze :)
If you want a good family Hybrid car just buy the new Camery Hybrid they have been making Hybrid cars for the last 20 years while all the others are playing catch up.
Someone can pull the handbrake in a car on the motorway too and it won't end well. The fact that if you press the On/Off button twice the engine turns off doesn't bother me. I wouldn't buy this car in a million years anyway.
Fix Or Repair Daily
it´s not a vw
Misleading review at 1st he says there a problem with the noise it makes when pushed hard and when he pushed hard he went on to say doesn’t make that bad off the sound just not that fast enough... misleading
I wouldn't buy this car. It doesn't excel in ANY way over the competitors. I had this car for 2 weeks as a hire car while my Pug 407 2.0 Diesel was being repaired (crash damaged). I hypermiled the mondeo and got a grand total of 42.5mpg (6.65l/100km). That's simply horrible when my Pug could easily get 65mpg. Best part is, both weighed the same! Stick with the normal diesel and you'll get better fuel economy, more boot space (that battery pack is awkwardly shaped). Or just get something else!
Looked up the pricing FROM €37k so you can sit in a new Audi A4 for that.
I would hope it's a rather basic A4 for that money. List prices are high for ford's i bet if you went to car wow you could get £5k off the ford.
Audi A4 Is not in the same class as the mondeo. it's a smaller car.
The no1 selling sedan in the UK is a BMW 3 series, smaller than a Mondeo and much like the A4 so forget about the Mondeo being larger, buyers want prestige even when the A4 is mostly a Passat in drag.
@@stephendoherty8291 the Mondeo has completely priced it's self out the market now. I hardly see any new ones. Most company car list's don't include the Mondeo anymore
In layman terms it's a Ford Mondeo Ghia X
Titanium X.
I think I will stick with my 05 bora 50 mpg 209000 so far owe's me nothing
Hybrid=Uber. Don't try to looks for what an average family wants, it's not for them.
Ford used to be innovators now they just play catch up and wait to do things like this until they are forced to by legislation.
As they are top of the sales market in most segments, they have just 'rested on their lorals' far to long. Both them and vauxhall are miles behind anyone else in the market.
Them dials in this Mondeo have been in use for about 10 years plus. And they look it. They won't realise untill sales drop off a cliff, and them they wont have the income to change anthing.
skoda and Seat I see as fords main competitor, or rather threat, they sell similar cars, but are far nicer inside. Them we have Peugeot and they are killing the 'styling' arm.
Them this vinale time is Ugly and knocking on the price door of the next segment up.
The whole vinale line makes zero sense tbh. It does to ford, as they are selling the same crap for alot extra. But for that money you could buy the skoda suberb redline, with is very nicely kitted out, has everything and more that the mondeos offers , and alomast 300hp.
Or you could get a mid level 3 series and A4 or even the similar merc. For the price of this Mondeo with a leather dashboard. Lol
They were playing catch up when they released this Mondeo and the plugable "Fusion" Energi in the states in 2012/13.
Quite insulting to the EU market how they advertise their offerings as brand new with a healthy dose of greenwashing.
@@toyotaprius79 across the board ford had been serving up outdated crap for over 10 years. It will eventually backfire. They are taking the life long ford fans for granted, they die. They need to keep their lines fresh and keep intising fresh blood into the fold.
10 years ago it was the Citroën DS line that was making stuff that look 10 years ahead of ford in thd interior department. For hasn't change anything much since then. Now everyone else (bar opel/Vx) has caught up with the DS interior style. Pug even surpassed it.
Well that's not quite right. Just because you don't get the innovation straight away does not mean they have stopped. Their whole ecoboost range is state of the art; and their 10 speed auto is up there with the best as well. Not some dodgy DSG that VW et al want to force upon you.
@@anthonyjenkinson2710 Haven't they got problems with their ecoboost engines catching fire.
great car but not in hybrid form!
It's a nice car but, on the reliability side, it's zero. you shouldn't even buy this car, it's expensive for nothing
ford not very good on fuel but their cars are nice to drive
Ford is like Nokia, they were super popular long time ago and now they try too hard to become the cool kid again.
Both the Mondeo hybrid and Focus EV is a total joke!
You kind of can’t ompare them against the Passat Phev and e-golf since the Fords are just depressing bad cars...
If trying to hard means the parts and repairs are now on par with a Audi and Bmw. Ford are indeed walking a dangerous line. Ford modeo's are not selling well anymore it's much cheaper to get a Passat now. But the Passat is absolute garbage. It's almost like the two have swapped places. I think when kia+Hyundai came in ford lost there market.
This is poor from a supposedly expert car reviewer. The Mondeo uses a similar system as Toyota. That means 1 engine, 2 motors, planetary gear set, batteries.
When will motor journos learn?
That's a type of CVT. A ecvt.
@@MrConor159 correct. But that isn't the point. Bob said 1 electric motor. There are 2 motors.
If you think further, the Toyota hsd system has advantages over single motor hybrids which is almost never mentioned by motor journos.
Dull review, even duller car. I got bored after about 19 secs of this and went and rubbed one out in the toilet.
Over me? I’m blushing now 😳
It's a Ford mate not at Audi not a Volkswagen not a BMW ..
Love the review but not a fan ford cheap
That is one ugly interior, looks at least 10 years old.
0 charisma! :(