The Carry That Cheated to Win
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- "Never let Alchemist farm"-a mantra that has haunted the community since its earliest days. But was Alchemist truly as powerful as the respect he commands suggests?
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I love you added some lore at the beggining
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This game is a WoW experience in 30 minutes.-
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League player here- Dota never really clicked with my and my friends all played lol.
I still watch every video and love learning about Dota! I love seeing the ideas lol has taken from Dota, and learning about the differences 😊
It's the style of video that just makes me wanna know about all of the champions all of a sudden.
Axe vid sounds like a great idea.
I think Death Prophet is also one which could warrant a vid, since she did have a bit of reworking, and a few ups ajd downs
nah, anti mage
I'm lowkey waiting for earthshaker vid. He was the definition of disabler/stunner back in the day
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I think axe is also a cool vid to do too, in my eye he is as iconic as jugg and pudge in one way or another and im excited if it ever gets released
When there is an alch in the game, its an alch game.
Ive not played Dota in many years, could never get into it. But these long form videos breaking down the hero, how they were played, how the game itself used to be played, is so damn interesting! Love the vids!
I'm a pretty good alchemist player and my only issue with your Ti6 analysis is that one of the biggest strengths of the manta build was how it let you farm aggressively while playing safe. I don't think you mentioned it but the major change during the octarine/manta era was they took the greevils bounty away from illusion CS. It wasn't a huge deal, but was noteworthy.
Anyway, my point about the manta build is that alchemist didn't need to take the safe farm, in fact, I would tend to avoid it. Travels/oct/manta/rad let you play really aggressively all over the map, then TP elsewhere when the enemy responded, and manta let you push right to the enemy tower while farming their woods.
So while I'm not going to go back and analyze TI, superficially, that doesn't seem to jive with how I recall that build working.
But one thing I did notice was the faceless void on his team. While it doesn't seem terrible because chrono --> concoction is an 8 second stun, the playstyle of void does not mesh with how that version of alchemist played. You ideally want your team to be able to take fights consistently, particularly, take objectives.
Void could not take early objectives, and his tempo did not line up with alchemist well. When playing alchemist mid, if your team doesn't lose their lane, you win 70% of games if you are competent. The biggest issue occurs when you are backed into a corner before radiance travels +1 item allowed you to amp up pressure. Then your space gets inverted, and the phenomenon you described occurs.
Because alchemist cannot get out of his base because of lost lanes and few/no tower kills, the manta illusions do cannibalize his side of the map, robbing his core. But that isn't so much his fault, as his secondary core not being someone who could win or draw his lane.
Faceless void at that point was emblematic of that problem.
I'm too lazy to figure out where this last line should go above, so I'm just throwing it at the bottom. The biggest issue with lane losers or not winners was not getting the tower. The benefit of the manta push was that you could push the lane back super far with minimal risk, which adds essentially 30+ seconds before the enemy team can get back to your side of the map. The illusions themselves were not strong enough to kill towers fast, but they forced a response, and that response delayed enemies ability to group up. The travels let you do that to two lanes simultaneously because travels had a 30-40~ second cool down with octarine.
No towers + your team behind caused that ability to jump between two lanes and maintain constant pressure to collapse in every conceivable way. It slowed item timings, it weakened your push in both distance + the amount of lanes you could simultaneously pressure.
This is stupid long for a youtube post, but fuck it, you made a 1.5 hour video on alchemist, my favorite goddamn hero.
I lied and have no self control.
I looked at a handful of TI6 games on liquipedia and what I said is mostly what happened. Lanes would get pushed in. I looked at 4-5 games and the only one that didn't have the issue I described is EG vs Newbie, Newbie had alch/lifestealer and won the early game. But lifestealer was against a morph, timer, and void. He can't kill any of those heroes and newbie threw the mid game and the game went late.
and LOL DC vs TNC is the worst version of this. They had an alch, TB, and void. Absolutely unplayable lineup lol. They got shutout in 25m.
I think this is actually probably the reality. Players assumed that Alch will create so much space, that 2 other greedy cores would be able to farm, when sadly, the reality is that Alch will hoard all of it, and then we all saw what happened. Just poor team composition and strategy is probably why they lost. This would never happen with today's more knowledgeable player base(I accept all Dota players have probably lost a few braincells, raging at their team while chain-queing in the middle of the night)
@@vishtaspacooper i think his ability to hold HG really well eith oct/manta probably contributed to that view too.
But as i said, it misses core requirements for alch to thrive, not just survive.
The quality keeps on improving! Hope it will cover all the heroes
Thank you for the series!
Seeing the old purge footage and old school dota UI was really nostalgic. 2012/2013 dota was the most fun I’ve ever had playing video games. (Or whenever the massively gifted dota 2 beta keys were handed out)
when he tried to rush Radiance and got dumpstered on 😂🤣 that was hilarious
Alchemist so generous gold
Dude I love this deep-dive style content. I must have watched like 6 of these already and I haven't even played Dota since 2019 (I've been playing the original since 2004) . Your stuff sent me on a massive TI rewatch bender. Thank goodness they're still on twitch after all these years. I remember being in a watch party for TI8 GF game 4, enjoying good company, having been up all night kept awake by beautiful dota, trying my hardest not to spam as much as I wanted. Good times.
I stopped playing in 2015 having played since 2005. My friends and I came back, just when the biggest patch of all time hit Dota back in mid 2023. It's much more enjoyable somehow.
I was Divine 2 but I got anew ranking and fell down to legend and then crusader. All the heroes were reworked and at the first 2 games were a bit terrifying and maybe overwhelming but they also ignited the fire that had us up all night to play, watch the TI together, etc
Now we all got families and/or kids but we still manage to keep up in ranked. A lot of the strategy and skill, game knowledge, timings, etc carry over to today. Adaptation is needed but it's fun.
We are enjoying it. I'm glad I'm back with the crew.
Rat Doto forever!
@@BlueFlash215 Glad it worked out for you! Man, that's no small feat. I stopped playing when i started to feel like I have too much on my hands I don't have any energy to spare for relearning things every time a big patch hits. I couldn't adapt. It was still fun for me to be plugged in to the pro scene and content scene though, which is why I have so much appreciation for this video.
Really nice video. I really have been loving this channel.
The touch of adding the year on right top corner is genius. Keep up the amazing work. ❤
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Great vid as always
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Great work as always.
great video again!
The introduction with lore is just impeccable! :3
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This is some of the best content on youtube period
I appreciate the deep dives into characters I don't play. Nice to know what my opponents are working with.
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Solid work, as always
Exceptional video!
Again, as always, great content team!
I have never played this game. I have listened to countless hours of your videos.
You have the most perfect narrative voice and the information is always really fleshed out and delivered flawlessly.
Please never stop making these.
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Love ya baumi been watching for ages. You basically taught me dota back in the day
really appreciate the amount of effort and passion you put into every video, can't wait to see chen video
Loved it
I dont know where or how, but we need a bit of "Axe is Axe" in the Axe video. And good job as always on this one
Amazing video
Another banger, this is now my favorite of the series!
These videos should continue!!!!!!!
Great video such an iconic unique hero! If another international happens and heros already covered do well would you consider update videos? Obviously they would be short.
Hes allready said its very unlikely because of how work intensive it would be.
This vids make me wanna come back and play again, damn
Didn't know it was Baumi who narrated this. Love watching your videos when I was a teen 10 years ago 😂
This video is really entertaining, usually I don't watch these videos in one go, but this was very captivating. Are you planning on doing a video on Visage any time soon?
Xboct under the T1 literally got me into Dota. TI3 was the first time I had even seen Dota and that 1 play sold me on the game.
Wich one? Is there a timestamp?
@@KitsuneFaroe For sure - 18:24
Anti Mage next pls. He is such a classic and still is such an iconic hero
Good stuff
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These videos are like bedtime stories such a soothing voice to sleep to lol
Great video as always. Also yayyyyyy my fav offlaner Axe is next. Let's go Culling BOOM BOOM BOOM!!!!
One question, how far is the Faceless Void video in the queue?
Great one, congratz Baumi
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This made me feel so old.
Never played dota, but these vids got me hooked.
Commenting for the algorithm, thanks for making such great videos Baumi + team!
Love your videos. Timbersaw or faceless void or oracle would be really cool. Nightstalker would be sick as well
Surprised you didn't talk about the offlane build, particularly Ceb did a great job of going a solar crest and blink dagger, then just feeding the team aghs
ahh alchemist the constant money god. always loving see these videos, so much history and evolution.
good intro, fits into the style of the video. noice
I haven't played Dota 2 since before they introduced the talents but I enjoy your vids.
nice lore addition
I love this series ❤
I only started watching this channel. I keep watching cause of how Baumi says gouwld. Instant classic
Great music
Concerning your question at the end: I've had many situations playing alchemist, farming up, then not doing anything because my team is gold starved. Happens more often when I play meepo, but it has happened with alchemist too.
Since I watched your video about meepo one of my favorite hero in the game I realized that there are TH-camrs that have this kind of passion for doing this kind of content or video I get goosebumps on your video it makes me feels excited on the next videos you're going to do keep doing great videos like this I will wait foe your video about Timbersaw, Bristleback and Abaddon besides meepo they are one of my favorite heroes in the game too
You haven't lived dota until you've seen a Slap-Chop Alch backdoor a racks and the ancient
Dude, whey acidspray turns into physical, was a massive buff,was 24 damage but os amplyfi by - armor
Thought i recognize his voice, love the content baumi been a fan since 2015 ❤
i've never heard of alchemist but i like the vid
Cant wait for the axe vid
These vids are filling a big fat gap in the Dota community. Strong lore + a comprehensive history of a hero.
It's probably outside of your direct experience, but it'd be great to have a short section on Dota 1 history of a hero as well when relevant. Complete the video with where a hero TRULY started
I was listening this vid and in midway, i needed to play and Alch game, bad early made a comback in mid/late and won. All inspired by this vid. Nice
still wondering why we havent gotten an invoker and morhpling video yet but still such amazing content
i would love a Jakiro video!
Yessss dota stories dropped it’s a good day boys.
Wow. This is live?
It finally happened. I was all ready to hear the usual schpiel about underwhelming talents introduced and this is the first positive talent implementation I've heard about, haha.
I love this videos
daaaaam this videos are cool!
I’d love to see a video on phantom lancer or Templar assassin maybe even tide hunter
At ti9 the main reason of Chen alch working was the heal amp and alch did get heart 1st after the lane or 2 and with rage would have to much Regen to be killed.
Heart had been changed to have 50% heal amp
I have played league for the past 10 years of my life but I’ve been watching these and loving it. I think I might start playing both
Love you Baumi.
The videos and TI made me come back to Dota.
I stopped playing in 2015 having played since 2005. My friends and I came back, just when the biggest patch of all time hit Dota back in mid 2023. It's much more enjoyable somehow.
I was Divine 2 but I got anew ranking and fell down to legend and then crusader. All the heroes were reworked and at the first 2 games were a bit terrifying and maybe overwhelming but they also ignited the fire that had us up all night to play, watch the TI together, etc
Now we all got families and/or kids but we still manage to keep up in ranked. A lot of the strategy and skill, game knowledge, timings, etc carry over to today. Adaptation is needed but it's fun.
We are enjoying it.
Rat Doto, best Doto. Let rats be rats. Furion Level 25 teleport 😎
This video series reminds me to pay my rent every month!
Ti3 was so good ❤ So sad that [A] no longer have a dota team 😢
I'd love to see a vid about Doom, who always gets either nerfed or reworked.
You guys gotta do everyones favorite earthshaker eventually
No one is talking about that Pudge spamming hook 3 times in less than 10 seconds at 59:46
I remember that moment when Pudge Agh give him 4s cd on meat hook.😂
ty all
now I just want the wraith king story
A great video! I did notice something that might warrant investigation for future videos, the effects of Razor's ult are strobing fairly hard at around 16:10. Viewers who are sensitive to flashing lights might have some issues with that, and it might be a good idea to potentially darken sections of future videos that have stuff like that. I'm not super vulnerable to them myself, but it did generate a bit of a headache for me.
Keep up the amazing work! Alch has always been one of those heroes that I hate seeing because of how oppressive he can be if left unchecked, and it's cool to see how his impact has evolved over time.
nice
deeply in love with the fact that across both of ur dota channels the auto translate is absolutely convicted of the fact that omelette of mordiggian is your favorite item. I fucking love Omelette of Mordiggian. Can't get over it. Every time it tickles me.
What do you think Mordiggian puts in their omelettes?
augh so close at 1:01:20 it got armlet of migan. So fucking close. I can't believe it.
Ah yes, Alchemist, the physical embodiment of "Get your Money up, not your Funny up"
Amazing viewing, please keep these coming!
Weirdest strat with Alche, as pos 4. He leave lane for Off to solo. Go sleep in the jungle and give every one agh then he start getting item for himself.
Dude, where's the Ember video?
I thought it was going to be the first video of this channel.
Can you make a video about what heroes were meta for each tournament
@Baumi We need a video for some ubiquitous supports like Clockwerk/AA/ Nyx/Tusk etc
Clock would be cool!
@@drewpeacock9087 clock would be perfect! So much changes in play style and positions over the years without his skills getting changed much.
Razzil darkbrew? Who knew that before this video? 🤣
1:14:03 that was a support marcy. Meta back in the day