Surprised by Hope by N.T. Wright changed my life. I heartily recommend anyone read it with an open mind and an open heart. I grew up in the whole anxious rapture culture and it was such a healing balm to realize how biblically, historically, and academically irresponsible teaching that kind of a paradigm truly is. Teachers like Wright, Halsted, and JM have been paramount to my spiritual formation toward a better eschatology of hope.
This was such a great interview! I will be putting his book on my reading list. I get so tried of people trying to pinpoint things from Revelation as current events, and this is such a refreshing perspective. And ultimately, we should be focused on following Jesus instead of trying to know the end because He wins, always. Thank you for the video. I just found your channel a few weeks ago, and I've enjoyed diving deeper in my studies. ❤
Fantastic interview & I will get Dr. Halsted’s book. I think Christians really want Jesus to return soon and that has something to do with trying to figure out a time frame. LOL, I remember when some thought it would be 2,000 years after his birth in Bethlehem and now some hope it will be 2,000 years from the year of his crucifixion and resurrection. The gospel of God’s new heaven and new earth coming is what we want to see/experience; but yes, I go by what Jesus said that only God knows when; so just live in Christ.
I was a PK in the Seventh-day Adventist church. I left the church and the faith all together while attending an SDA college. Now I'm 30 and I'm married and coming back to God and my wife is quite new to the faith and the Bible. It's been so fun and such a blessing for us to be diving into the Word and finding the right church for us. This conversation was my first revisiting of Revelation theology and I so appreciate both of you. What a healthy view of the end. I've been watching some interviews of yours the last few days and find you to be genuinely curious and interested in the little details which I appreciate. I do have one question, I'm attending a Sunday church now and one thing I feel pressing on my heart from my upbringing is the Sabbath. Would you do a video that looks at why SDA and SDB churches believe the Sabbath to important, even a condition for salvation, and why most churches don't? I think that if you took it on seriously I and many like me would benefit from it. Thank you again!
It's because the Catholic Church changed the sabbath to Sunday and for a thousand years till the council of trent it has been that way. The reformers/protestant were bible only no more tradition, but they wanted to keep the sabbath on Sunday and the Catholic Church called them out on this hypocrisy, and THIS was THE deciding factor that killed the council of trent. And the Seventh Day Adventist are the only ones who stick to Bible only and sticking to bible only. There are even several Vatican Catholic official documents DIRECTLY naming seventh day adventist, and getting very angry that some people don't put rest day on sunday. The day of the sun. Which is the first day of the week. Not the 7th Look up vatican tekst talking about this and naming by name seventh day adventist
Praise the Lord. This could not have come at a more perfect time! Writing on eschatology this week for my class. Can’t wait to listen and buy this book when it releases :)
I just uploaded a video containing all the verse references to Jesus's second coming. You can use that video for your project if you want. I hope it blesses you ☺️
23:00 There IS a hunger, but the material is out there. Christians are partially to blame for "eating junk food." Most people want to eat good food, but they want to eat now without shopping, transporting, chopping, cooking food. We're lazy. What's the illiteracy rate among believers? What's the biblical illiteracy rate? I think it's pretty high. Most people aren't readers to begin with and Christians are no different. I want to read this book, but I've been a believer for 30 years and I know the good, rightly divided eschatology books are available. But people have to do the footwork. Yeah, we do live in anxious times. But when wasn't life anxious?
Thank you, watched it with great interest! Trying to get some family members tuned into a decent study of Revelation. They tend to gravitate towards the "nut cakes," sigh.
A reason why Dispensationalist/Rapture eschatology has such a long shelf life may be due to its popularization as story. Everyone loves a good story, right? Full disclosure: I read the Left Behind series and loved it, not because I agreed with the theology, but because it was fun reading.
I've just discovered Disciple Dojo, and this interview. Eschatology has become one of my favourite subjects, and I've come a long way in the last 7 years because I've learned to read the Scriptures in light of what it meant to the original hearers. I've just bought Matthew’s book, so I look forward to learning even more. God bless you in his service.
Since my first day as a Christian I've run the gamut from Dispensational Pre-Millenialist to Amillenial/Post-Millenial to where I am now; Pan-Millenial. It will all pan out. Not being flippant! You can make a case for/against these positions as there are holes in each, some quite big. Too many focus on this. I trust in God and His plan. I also know that He hasn't revealed ALL to us, just as He's done throughout time. I'll likely pick this book up as I've heard Dr. Halsted on the Naked Bible podcast if I remember correctly. I love Dr. Heiser's work and learned much from him. Nice interview. I'm new to your channel and appreciate this.
I appreciate what you are saying as many Christians express this same sentiment. Let me encourage you by saying the Lord, gave us so much info about His 2nd Coming. If you understand God explained when His first coming was to be through Daniel and has said God told us the "end from the Beginning", we are obligated to try and figure out the puzzle pieces. I believe God wants us to know these things, but we have to put the work in. I found most Christians just find it too hard and confusing, but to those who do the work, it is rewarding and so encouraging. God Bless and best wishes.
I think the Church needs to consider that it's modern dispensational view is linked to it's current loss of social influence. In every way this view could be thought of as being selfish, and I think this is something that needs to be considered.
@@michaelpalmer3540 Exactly what I said. We've been in the end times since our Lord said it. Didn't Paul call his day the "last days," and didn't the writer of Hebrews also call his time the "last times?"
I have a hunger for learning about the Bible. Love learning archeological relevance! I have been Christian for over 50 years and continue to read and study God’s words as inspired and sent by God to teach and mature faith. This video looks back-historical and does not promote “Hope”. It is only intended for those who look at history of the time Revelation was written. The Bible was given to us to know God in spirit and in truth. A personal God. I don’t understand how a Christian can glean a relationship with God when referring to scripture as history and not relevant to our day and times. Sometimes theologians-seminary taught-take the life and hope out of God’s word. I believe that’s what you have done here.
That is not at all what we have done in this discussion. Our hope comes from what the text of Scripture teaches *in its original context*...only then can we apply its truth and its hope to *ours*.
Ok, couple of points. At time stamp 42:14 when Paul says Christians belong to the day. The context in 1 Thess 5:5 is defined in the sentence meaning we're not children of the night, but of the day. Not necessarily the _day of the Lord_ as God says that day is not a day of rejoicing. _Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion, And a bear met him! Or as though he went into the house, Leaned his hand on the wall, And a serpent bit him! Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?_ -Amos 5:18-20. That day is both bitter and sweet. The best day is the day after. Second point. Scripture is taught by the interpreter. The Holy Spirit. You do not need a historical perspective, nor do you need any other book to understand fully what the scriptures teach. (1 Cor 2:13-14). _It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught by God._ -John 6:45
Questioning anything does not stop at Christian teachings. The disciples asked questions all of the time. We should question and ask and explore. This encourages and shares knowledge and wisdom. Without the freedom of knowledge, it will be restricted and reserved to the few, which is completely contradictory to faith.
Here is the most certain eschatological statement of them all: “By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread until you return t the ground - because out of it were you taken. For dust you are and to dust you shall return (Genesis 3:19, Berean Bible).” And “...no man shall come unto the Father but by me or by by my word, which is my law, saith the Lord. And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by thrones, or principalities, or powers, or things, of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord shall be thrown down, and shall not remain after men are dead... For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed (Doctrine and Covenants 132:12-14).” I’m going to take a look at your book, Dr. Halsted. I’m interested in your historical perspectives and imagine I can learn a lot from you.
Have you seen the movie from 1991 “The rapture”? Mimi Rogers and Will Patton, the ending was kind of surprising coming from Hollywood, only seen it once decades ago but it was interesting, thanks
@@DiscipleDojo my apologies for my comment I had posted it at the beginning of the video when I thought you were asking for people who come with “receipts” and didn’t realize until watching the entire video what perspective you have, I’m sorry had I known I wouldn’t have left the comment, I wasn’t trying to be combative, apologies truly
I was very disappointed in your review as it did not represent serious scholars that view Revelation differently like Joel Richardson, Nelson Walters, etc. Implying that the eschatological view of Revelation is a con by people trying to sell pet care services was not a serious approach.
@@DiscipleDojo Joel Richardson would be considered a Historical Premillenialist though I would say he would be influenced by other futurist writers. I would say other serious futurist Historical Premillenialist like B.W. Newton, Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, Charles Spurgeon, Geroge Mueller, Nathaniel West, David Baron, Joseph A. Seiss, Andrew Bonar, Horatious Bonar, J.C. Ryle, G.H. Lang takes dispensationalism and critiques it and goes off in a similar direction. Dr. Michael Brown is more recent and is pretty reasonable to me.
With eschatology, always assume everyone’s wrong. There is a rapture and it is consistent with the way God does things when you look at Elijah and Enoch, but trying to figure out the dates of the rapture is silly, the apostles asked Jesus and he said it’s not for us to know, that only the father knows not even the angels, so you made it very clear that he’s not gonna tell us and the point is to always be ready because it could be at any time. As far as the tribulation, we don’t know when it will be but there’s a lot of descriptions of things that will happen but they’re two different events. It’s kind of logical to assume the rapture might be at the beginning or shortly before the tribulation, but we have no way of knowing it could be 50,000 years before for all we know, but in the end we come back with him sometime before the end of the tribulation and that’s all we can really Everything else is just speculation and we don’t know. I think as far as stressing out over it and having an affect our lives, we should live our lives like it could happen in 10 seconds or may not happen for 1000 of years, either way we should live our lives the same and for the rapture there’s nothing to plan for, a split second there’s no point in really stressing over it. As far as the tribulation period goes, people thought forever that it was gonna happen every time there’s a war every time society goes through some sinful thing and gets crazy, I remember the 80s and how Lindsey and all of that and big churches saying that it was gonna happen and When I read how the people were gonna be in those times I thought it was not possible that it could happen in our lifetime cause there’s no way society would go that nuts and it would take them hundreds of years to get brainwashed and crazy. I kind of change mind on that timeline when I see the world now because I’m not gonna lie it could be any day but it may not, maybe the world will be like this for 1000 years before it happens. Maybe it’s already started but again, it’s not like we can do anything to stop it prepping and having food stores is a good idea in case of natural disaster or blackouts or whatever anyway but there’s only so much you can do and we can’t depend on stuff we need to depend on God‘s providence so again we shouldn’t be stressed. I think the main point, synthesise he is coming back. He’s going to fix things and give us a good idea of what’s gonna happen so if we happen to be alive in that time we don’t fall for the deception in the lies like so many people will. Other than that, there’s not much to do except what we should be doing already, speaking his truth in love praying for people and trying to lead other people to Jesus so they might find salvation as well. I think people kind of get too into their selves and stress about these things when the reality is there’s not much you can do about it, if you want to store some food away that’s cool go for it but The truth is you probably gonna have to rely on God’s providence is something like that happens anyway, you may not be able to get to your food supply. Somebody may take it from you they may round people up, so don’t get too stressed out too crazy trying to plan for something that likely won’t happen in our lifetime. And as far as the rapture goes it may happen before any of that anyway so then we won’t have to worry about it. If not then it is what it is and it’ll be a rough ride in the end we win and end up in a good place.
@@Sapientiaa There is quite a lot of detail. If talking image, mark of the beast etc. are all not real, we can know hardly nothing. Why God wants to give us those scary texts ? Hard to imagine how much fear those have caused to believers. That would be gross move from God, but what do i know....
@@Yaas_ok123 These types of visions are filled with symbolic imagery. It is very common throughout the entire Bible. Everything God does is for a purpose. There are many things that we don’t know and can’t see when it comes to sentential logic because we can’t think very far ahead. Not giving the exact details of everything is done for good reasons.
Good point on defining the mark of the beast, which should be the opposite of the mark of the Holy Spirit. That should also define the beast in our lives. That said, I sense a feeling of uncertainty in the author interviewed and DiscipleDojo about what and when the tribulation 'will be.' That's because you're not applying the same audience relevance to this matter as you do so well to the rest of Revelation. That happens when we assume that the resurrection Paul, Peter, and John wrote about is physical, when Paul was emphatic in 1 Cor. 15 that flesh and blood cannot inherit eternal life. Couple that with the assumption that 'no more tears' is a universal status for all mankind on physical earth one day in the future. Huge errors! If saints who die today are instantly transported into the presence of God instead of remaining asleep in Hades as the patriarchs did in the Old Covenant, and if Christ today has full territorial authority over all peoples, then the "end time" and tribulation prophesied and foretold in the Bible has already taken place, because what was foretold was the end of the Old Covenant Mosaic age. Revelations 21 and 22 are graphic about the continued existence of the nations needing healing when Christ is reigning and 'the dogs' are still outside the Kingdom, which has no end in sight. Anyone truly in Christ has their tears washed away despite their circumstances because the Holy Spirit, the ultimate counselor, is within. If that is not a reality for Christians, it must be the teachings of men that they hold to that hinder this phenomenon in their lives. For this reason, when people are hungry and malnourished from eating so much 'junk food,' the last thing they need is more books written by mere men. Taking their frustration and questions to the Lord with hunger and thirst is the ultimate solution because God is faithful in feeding us with more revelation of Christ.
'there are passages in the New Testament that speak of the end times as also - the first century." That was exactly my take the last time I read the New Testament. But not the "also" part. The New Testament authors were sure the end times were eminent. Now, I don't know the greek or the historical setting, but when I read it last that is what it said. Earlier you guys had been talking about discrediting those whose claims did not "pan out." I see this as the same. To make the words of Paul and Jesus make sense, you guys act as if they were talking of something else. But they meant then, not 2000 years later. Paul is said to have written in 1 Corinthians 7:29-31 - I mean, brothers and sisters, the appointed time has grown short; from now on, let even those who have wives be as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no possessions, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away. Jesus is recorded as saying in Matt 16:27 "“For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Seems clear. You can argue that Jesus ascending to heaven was what he was talking about, or the last days of the Old Covenant, or any other thing you want, but no great cataclysmic thing happened. Paul lived and died and Jesus did not return.
A in INCREDIBLY cataclysmic thing happened...within that generation...just as Jesus said...not long after Paul died. Again, Joe, you have misunderstood the New Testament in the same way many others have. Jesus *was* talking about 1st century happenings. He *was not* talking about the end of the space-time world, as Schweitzer and others have erroneously concluded. See N.T. Wright's "Jesus and the Victory of God" for a through discussion of this topic that trips up even many Christians who miss the rhetorical nuances Jesus (and Paul) employ.
@@DiscipleDojo wrote "A in INCREDIBLY cataclysmic thing happened...within that generation...just as Jesus said...not long after Paul died." Yeah, that answers the sentence I wrote. But the destruction on Israel was not what Jesus was talking about. Jesus is recorded as saying, "For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” These things did not happen in the life of the people Jesus was recorded as preaching to. The "rhetorical nuances" most christians cite are convoluted explanations to say how the bible does or does not say something. I don't know these guys Schweitzer or Wright, and I am not going to read the NT until I finish the OT again and I am just at Ecclesiastes. I want to be clear here though JM. I think you are a great guy, I like your vids and I have learned a lot watching them. I am not attacking you, but I think this vid is trying to say your bible does not say what it says. If it were a culture thing I did not understand, I could get that. But your bible seems clear on this and you have in no way convinced me otherwise.
@joestfrancois 2 things: read Mathew 26:64, Caiaphas will not be around for the 2nd coming, Jesus was talking about judgment refering to Daniel 7:13-14 in both Matt 24 and 26. The coming in question was fulfilled in 70AD. It sounds like the end of the world in the phraseology of the Olivet Discourse, but it's not. For clues you may read Psalm 18, where David describes past events similarly. Or the book of Lamentations, where Jeremiah does the same. He actually does some interesting things, like the things Nebuchadnezzar did in his conquest of Israel and Juduh, he attributes it to God. Even mentions them being under a cloud! (Think Daniel 7 again).
@@rocketmanshawn Yeah, this sounds like "rhetorical nuances" that JM mentioned. Listen, Jesus recorded as saying "For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” and the way that Paul wrote about the eminent return of Jesus is pretty clear about when they were saying it was to happen. I think grabbing verses from all over your bible to try to support a position is weak. Also Psalm 18 is a much different vision than what Jesus is recorded as having said. I just read that last week, though I had to look at it again. That was a very dramatic depiction of God with fire smoke and lightning, nothing like what Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew.
Going to pass on watching this one. I like Voddie Baucham's answer to this question.... End times started when Christ died on the cross. It will end when he returns. No mystery here.
Your comment is a cop-out and so is Voddies, and I really like Voddie. I loved Dr Michael Heiser's material but he was horrible at Eschatology (last day things).
OK, the world ends. God's here on earth welcomed by all His loyal followers. Here are His words: Great, well, here I am. Nice to see how loyalyou are. BUT YOU DESTROYED THE BEAUTIFUL WORLD I MADE FOR YOU! NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SHARE ETERNITY WITH YOU!
Surprised by Hope by N.T. Wright changed my life. I heartily recommend anyone read it with an open mind and an open heart.
I grew up in the whole anxious rapture culture and it was such a healing balm to realize how biblically, historically, and academically irresponsible teaching that kind of a paradigm truly is. Teachers like Wright, Halsted, and JM have been paramount to my spiritual formation toward a better eschatology of hope.
I can not expres how grateful I am for this interview. Thank you.
This was such a great interview! I will be putting his book on my reading list. I get so tried of people trying to pinpoint things from Revelation as current events, and this is such a refreshing perspective. And ultimately, we should be focused on following Jesus instead of trying to know the end because He wins, always. Thank you for the video. I just found your channel a few weeks ago, and I've enjoyed diving deeper in my studies. ❤
Fantastic interview & I will get Dr. Halsted’s book. I think Christians really want Jesus to return soon and that has something to do with trying to figure out a time frame. LOL, I remember when some thought it would be 2,000 years after his birth in Bethlehem and now some hope it will be 2,000 years from the year of his crucifixion and resurrection. The gospel of God’s new heaven and new earth coming is what we want to see/experience; but yes, I go by what Jesus said that only God knows when; so just live in Christ.
I was a PK in the Seventh-day Adventist church. I left the church and the faith all together while attending an SDA college. Now I'm 30 and I'm married and coming back to God and my wife is quite new to the faith and the Bible. It's been so fun and such a blessing for us to be diving into the Word and finding the right church for us. This conversation was my first revisiting of Revelation theology and I so appreciate both of you. What a healthy view of the end.
I've been watching some interviews of yours the last few days and find you to be genuinely curious and interested in the little details which I appreciate. I do have one question, I'm attending a Sunday church now and one thing I feel pressing on my heart from my upbringing is the Sabbath. Would you do a video that looks at why SDA and SDB churches believe the Sabbath to important, even a condition for salvation, and why most churches don't? I think that if you took it on seriously I and many like me would benefit from it.
Thank you again!
It's because the Catholic Church changed the sabbath to Sunday and for a thousand years till the council of trent it has been that way.
The reformers/protestant were bible only no more tradition, but they wanted to keep the sabbath on Sunday and the Catholic Church called them out on this hypocrisy, and THIS was THE deciding factor that killed the council of trent.
And the Seventh Day Adventist are the only ones who stick to Bible only and sticking to bible only.
There are even several Vatican Catholic official documents DIRECTLY naming seventh day adventist, and getting very angry that some people don't put rest day on sunday. The day of the sun. Which is the first day of the week. Not the 7th
Look up vatican tekst talking about this and naming by name seventh day adventist
Praise the Lord. This could not have come at a more perfect time! Writing on eschatology this week for my class. Can’t wait to listen and buy this book when it releases :)
I just uploaded a video containing all the verse references to Jesus's second coming. You can use that video for your project if you want. I hope it blesses you ☺️
That after rapture pet care is hilarious. I think I'm going to buy one of their shirts 😆
23:00 There IS a hunger, but the material is out there. Christians are partially to blame for "eating junk food." Most people want to eat good food, but they want to eat now without shopping, transporting, chopping, cooking food. We're lazy. What's the illiteracy rate among believers? What's the biblical illiteracy rate? I think it's pretty high. Most people aren't readers to begin with and Christians are no different. I want to read this book, but I've been a believer for 30 years and I know the good, rightly divided eschatology books are available. But people have to do the footwork. Yeah, we do live in anxious times. But when wasn't life anxious?
Great interview thank you for having Dr Matthew on,
Thank you, watched it with great interest! Trying to get some family members tuned into a decent study of Revelation. They tend to gravitate towards the "nut cakes," sigh.
A reason why Dispensationalist/Rapture eschatology has such a long shelf life may be due to its popularization as story. Everyone loves a good story, right? Full disclosure: I read the Left Behind series and loved it, not because I agreed with the theology, but because it was fun reading.
EXCELLENT video, thanks to both of you!
I've just discovered Disciple Dojo, and this interview. Eschatology has become one of my favourite subjects, and I've come a long way in the last 7 years because I've learned to read the Scriptures in light of what it meant to the original hearers. I've just bought Matthew’s book, so I look forward to learning even more. God bless you in his service.
Ordered this book on your recommendation, JM. Just received it yesterday, and am eager to get in to it!
I can’t wait to read this book. I love the idea of hope when reading revelation.
And preordered!
Since my first day as a Christian I've run the gamut from Dispensational Pre-Millenialist to Amillenial/Post-Millenial to where I am now; Pan-Millenial. It will all pan out. Not being flippant! You can make a case for/against these positions as there are holes in each, some quite big. Too many focus on this. I trust in God and His plan. I also know that He hasn't revealed ALL to us, just as He's done throughout time. I'll likely pick this book up as I've heard Dr. Halsted on the Naked Bible podcast if I remember correctly. I love Dr. Heiser's work and learned much from him. Nice interview. I'm new to your channel and appreciate this.
I appreciate what you are saying as many Christians express this same sentiment. Let me encourage you by saying the Lord, gave us so much info about His 2nd Coming. If you understand God explained when His first coming was to be through Daniel and has said God told us the "end from the Beginning", we are obligated to try and figure out the puzzle pieces. I believe God wants us to know these things, but we have to put the work in. I found most Christians just find it too hard and confusing, but to those who do the work, it is rewarding and so encouraging. God Bless and best wishes.
I think the Church needs to consider that it's modern dispensational view is linked to it's current loss of social influence. In every way this view could be thought of as being selfish, and I think this is something that needs to be considered.
The dispensational view is a diversion that has kept Christians from being conformed to the image of Christ.
Hey if you read this, can you connect the dots for me between the loss of social influence and premillennial dispensationalism?
I’ve read it twice now. Fantastic read.
We've been in the "end times" for 2,000 years. Scripture attests to this several times.
What does your comment even mean? What are trying to say?
@@michaelpalmer3540 Exactly what I said. We've been in the end times since our Lord said it. Didn't Paul call his day the "last days," and didn't the writer of Hebrews also call his time the "last times?"
Totally agree! Great book.
Thank you, Gentlemen 🌹⭐🌹⭐
Can’t believe Halstead. He’s obviously a robot controlled by that super-computer. Just listen to him.
Ha! I kid, I kid.
Please tell me how I may get that 2-Bible Lutheran study Bible that you recently reviewed. I can’t find it as 2 book edition.
Maybe contact Concordia? 🤷
I have a hunger for learning about the Bible. Love learning archeological relevance!
I have been Christian for over 50 years and continue to read and study God’s words as inspired and sent by God to teach and mature faith. This video looks back-historical and does not promote “Hope”. It is only intended for those who look at history of the time Revelation was written.
The Bible was given to us to know God in spirit and in truth. A personal God.
I don’t understand how a Christian can glean a relationship with God when referring to scripture as history and not relevant to our day and times. Sometimes theologians-seminary taught-take the life and hope out of God’s word. I believe that’s what you have done here.
That is not at all what we have done in this discussion. Our hope comes from what the text of Scripture teaches *in its original context*...only then can we apply its truth and its hope to *ours*.
Ok, couple of points. At time stamp 42:14 when Paul says Christians belong to the day. The context in 1 Thess 5:5 is defined in the sentence meaning we're not children of the night, but of the day. Not necessarily the _day of the Lord_ as God says that day is not a day of rejoicing. _Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion, And a bear met him! Or as though he went into the house, Leaned his hand on the wall, And a serpent bit him! Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?_ -Amos 5:18-20. That day is both bitter and sweet. The best day is the day after.
Second point. Scripture is taught by the interpreter. The Holy Spirit. You do not need a historical perspective, nor do you need any other book to understand fully what the scriptures teach. (1 Cor 2:13-14). _It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught by God._ -John 6:45
Questioning anything does not stop at Christian teachings. The disciples asked questions all of the time. We should question and ask and explore. This encourages and shares knowledge and wisdom. Without the freedom of knowledge, it will be restricted and reserved to the few, which is completely contradictory to faith.
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Do you believe in respecting the 7th day Sabbath?
Thank you
@@brianfixitguy2494 what does that have to do with this video?
Here is the most certain eschatological statement of them all: “By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread until you return t the ground - because out of it were you taken. For dust you are and to dust you shall return (Genesis 3:19, Berean Bible).” And “...no man shall come unto the Father but by me or by by my word, which is my law, saith the Lord. And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by thrones, or principalities, or powers, or things, of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord shall be thrown down, and shall not remain after men are dead... For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed (Doctrine and Covenants 132:12-14).” I’m going to take a look at your book, Dr. Halsted. I’m interested in your historical perspectives and imagine I can learn a lot from you.
Can you do a haul of the books you plan on reading this year
I don't really plan out my reading for the year, I'm afraid.
Have you seen the movie from 1991 “The rapture”? Mimi Rogers and Will Patton, the ending was kind of surprising coming from Hollywood, only seen it once decades ago but it was interesting, thanks
I saw it. It's been too long, and I don't recall the details, but remember it to be a unique take on the Rapture. I'll have watch it again.
Talking about “show your work” I give you Dr Andy Woods year long study on the rapture not to mention his other verse by verse studies.
I can't imagine spending a year studying a concept that no Christian before the 1830s believed or taught.
@@DiscipleDojo have you ever seen Ken Johnson showing early church fathers talking about it? Not to mention the Bible
@@DiscipleDojo my apologies for my comment I had posted it at the beginning of the video when I thought you were asking for people who come with “receipts” and didn’t realize until watching the entire video what perspective you have, I’m sorry had I known I wouldn’t have left the comment, I wasn’t trying to be combative, apologies truly
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No sir
We are NOT IN THE END TIME
TRUST THE LORD AND HE WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS BEAAUTIFUL WORD
WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
Please review “Inmillennialism” by Michael Rogers.
I was very disappointed in your review as it did not represent serious scholars that view Revelation differently like Joel Richardson, Nelson Walters, etc. Implying that the eschatological view of Revelation is a con by people trying to sell pet care services was not a serious approach.
Did you mean to say the "Dispensational" view?
@@DiscipleDojo No, I meant as a focus on Revelation as end of the world prophecy, the eschatological perspective.
@@DiscipleDojo Joel Richardson would be considered a Historical Premillenialist though I would say he would be influenced by other futurist writers. I would say other serious futurist Historical Premillenialist like B.W. Newton, Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, Charles Spurgeon, Geroge Mueller, Nathaniel West, David Baron, Joseph A. Seiss, Andrew Bonar, Horatious Bonar, J.C. Ryle, G.H. Lang takes dispensationalism and critiques it and goes off in a similar direction. Dr. Michael Brown is more recent and is pretty reasonable to me.
With eschatology, always assume everyone’s wrong. There is a rapture and it is consistent with the way God does things when you look at Elijah and Enoch, but trying to figure out the dates of the rapture is silly, the apostles asked Jesus and he said it’s not for us to know, that only the father knows not even the angels, so you made it very clear that he’s not gonna tell us and the point is to always be ready because it could be at any time. As far as the tribulation, we don’t know when it will be but there’s a lot of descriptions of things that will happen but they’re two different events. It’s kind of logical to assume the rapture might be at the beginning or shortly before the tribulation, but we have no way of knowing it could be 50,000 years before for all we know, but in the end we come back with him sometime before the end of the tribulation and that’s all we can really Everything else is just speculation and we don’t know. I think as far as stressing out over it and having an affect our lives, we should live our lives like it could happen in 10 seconds or may not happen for 1000 of years, either way we should live our lives the same and for the rapture there’s nothing to plan for, a split second there’s no point in really stressing over it. As far as the tribulation period goes, people thought forever that it was gonna happen every time there’s a war every time society goes through some sinful thing and gets crazy, I remember the 80s and how Lindsey and all of that and big churches saying that it was gonna happen and When I read how the people were gonna be in those times I thought it was not possible that it could happen in our lifetime cause there’s no way society would go that nuts and it would take them hundreds of years to get brainwashed and crazy. I kind of change mind on that timeline when I see the world now because I’m not gonna lie it could be any day but it may not, maybe the world will be like this for 1000 years before it happens. Maybe it’s already started but again, it’s not like we can do anything to stop it prepping and having food stores is a good idea in case of natural disaster or blackouts or whatever anyway but there’s only so much you can do and we can’t depend on stuff we need to depend on God‘s providence so again we shouldn’t be stressed. I think the main point, synthesise he is coming back. He’s going to fix things and give us a good idea of what’s gonna happen so if we happen to be alive in that time we don’t fall for the deception in the lies like so many people will. Other than that, there’s not much to do except what we should be doing already, speaking his truth in love praying for people and trying to lead other people to Jesus so they might find salvation as well. I think people kind of get too into their selves and stress about these things when the reality is there’s not much you can do about it, if you want to store some food away that’s cool go for it but The truth is you probably gonna have to rely on God’s providence is something like that happens anyway, you may not be able to get to your food supply. Somebody may take it from you they may round people up, so don’t get too stressed out too crazy trying to plan for something that likely won’t happen in our lifetime. And as far as the rapture goes it may happen before any of that anyway so then we won’t have to worry about it. If not then it is what it is and it’ll be a rough ride in the end we win and end up in a good place.
When there is two witnesses who don't die till 3,5 years... you can know, this is it.
Two witnesses could be metaphorical. The two witnesses in Jesus time were the apostles. Two witnesses were always needed to judge in OT.
@@Sapientiaa There is quite a lot of detail. If talking image, mark of the beast etc. are all not real, we can know hardly nothing. Why God wants to give us those scary texts ? Hard to imagine how much fear those have caused to believers. That would be gross move from God, but what do i know....
@@Yaas_ok123 These types of visions are filled with symbolic imagery. It is very common throughout the entire Bible. Everything God does is for a purpose. There are many things that we don’t know and can’t see when it comes to sentential logic because we can’t think very far ahead. Not giving the exact details of everything is done for good reasons.
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Good point on defining the mark of the beast, which should be the opposite of the mark of the Holy Spirit. That should also define the beast in our lives. That said, I sense a feeling of uncertainty in the author interviewed and DiscipleDojo about what and when the tribulation 'will be.' That's because you're not applying the same audience relevance to this matter as you do so well to the rest of Revelation. That happens when we assume that the resurrection Paul, Peter, and John wrote about is physical, when Paul was emphatic in 1 Cor. 15 that flesh and blood cannot inherit eternal life. Couple that with the assumption that 'no more tears' is a universal status for all mankind on physical earth one day in the future. Huge errors!
If saints who die today are instantly transported into the presence of God instead of remaining asleep in Hades as the patriarchs did in the Old Covenant, and if Christ today has full territorial authority over all peoples, then the "end time" and tribulation prophesied and foretold in the Bible has already taken place, because what was foretold was the end of the Old Covenant Mosaic age. Revelations 21 and 22 are graphic about the continued existence of the nations needing healing when Christ is reigning and 'the dogs' are still outside the Kingdom, which has no end in sight.
Anyone truly in Christ has their tears washed away despite their circumstances because the Holy Spirit, the ultimate counselor, is within. If that is not a reality for Christians, it must be the teachings of men that they hold to that hinder this phenomenon in their lives.
For this reason, when people are hungry and malnourished from eating so much 'junk food,' the last thing they need is more books written by mere men. Taking their frustration and questions to the Lord with hunger and thirst is the ultimate solution because God is faithful in feeding us with more revelation of Christ.
@@sishrac but you realize your comment itself is something "written by men"...so why should anyone read it if that is the case?
@@DiscipleDojo
I appreciate your channel. I'm sure I don't need to reassert my point to take it to the Lord.
I've never heard of The Mark of The Lamb.
Yep. It's what the mark of the beast is an unholy imitation of.
'there are passages in the New Testament that speak of the end times as also - the first century."
That was exactly my take the last time I read the New Testament. But not the "also" part. The New Testament authors were sure the end times were eminent. Now, I don't know the greek or the historical setting, but when I read it last that is what it said.
Earlier you guys had been talking about discrediting those whose claims did not "pan out." I see this as the same. To make the words of Paul and Jesus make sense, you guys act as if they were talking of something else. But they meant then, not 2000 years later.
Paul is said to have written in 1 Corinthians 7:29-31 - I mean, brothers and sisters, the appointed time has grown short; from now on, let even those who have wives be as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no possessions, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.
Jesus is recorded as saying in Matt 16:27 "“For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Seems clear. You can argue that Jesus ascending to heaven was what he was talking about, or the last days of the Old Covenant, or any other thing you want, but no great cataclysmic thing happened. Paul lived and died and Jesus did not return.
A in INCREDIBLY cataclysmic thing happened...within that generation...just as Jesus said...not long after Paul died.
Again, Joe, you have misunderstood the New Testament in the same way many others have. Jesus *was* talking about 1st century happenings. He *was not* talking about the end of the space-time world, as Schweitzer and others have erroneously concluded. See N.T. Wright's "Jesus and the Victory of God" for a through discussion of this topic that trips up even many Christians who miss the rhetorical nuances Jesus (and Paul) employ.
@@DiscipleDojo wrote "A in INCREDIBLY cataclysmic thing happened...within that generation...just as Jesus said...not long after Paul died."
Yeah, that answers the sentence I wrote. But the destruction on Israel was not what Jesus was talking about. Jesus is recorded as saying, "For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
These things did not happen in the life of the people Jesus was recorded as preaching to. The "rhetorical nuances" most christians cite are convoluted explanations to say how the bible does or does not say something. I don't know these guys Schweitzer or Wright, and I am not going to read the NT until I finish the OT again and I am just at Ecclesiastes.
I want to be clear here though JM. I think you are a great guy, I like your vids and I have learned a lot watching them. I am not attacking you, but I think this vid is trying to say your bible does not say what it says. If it were a culture thing I did not understand, I could get that. But your bible seems clear on this and you have in no way convinced me otherwise.
@joestfrancois 2 things:
read Mathew 26:64, Caiaphas will not be around for the 2nd coming, Jesus was talking about judgment refering to Daniel 7:13-14 in both Matt 24 and 26.
The coming in question was fulfilled in 70AD. It sounds like the end of the world in the phraseology of the Olivet Discourse, but it's not. For clues you may read Psalm 18, where David describes past events similarly. Or the book of Lamentations, where Jeremiah does the same. He actually does some interesting things, like the things Nebuchadnezzar did in his conquest of Israel and Juduh, he attributes it to God. Even mentions them being under a cloud! (Think Daniel 7 again).
@@rocketmanshawn Yeah, this sounds like "rhetorical nuances" that JM mentioned. Listen, Jesus recorded as saying "For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” and the way that Paul wrote about the eminent return of Jesus is pretty clear about when they were saying it was to happen.
I think grabbing verses from all over your bible to try to support a position is weak. Also Psalm 18 is a much different vision than what Jesus is recorded as having said. I just read that last week, though I had to look at it again. That was a very dramatic depiction of God with fire smoke and lightning, nothing like what Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew.
Going to pass on watching this one. I like Voddie Baucham's answer to this question.... End times started when Christ died on the cross. It will end when he returns. No mystery here.
You might be surprised...
Your comment is a cop-out and so is Voddies, and I really like Voddie. I loved Dr Michael Heiser's material but he was horrible at Eschatology (last day things).
Great conversation but I believe you talked to much.
*too
Too much talking from the host. Let Dr. Halstead speak.
Nutty Dispensationalism makes Chrisitianity look stupid brings dishonor to Christ’s name.
OK, the world ends. God's here on earth welcomed by all His loyal followers. Here are His words: Great, well, here I am. Nice to see how loyalyou are. BUT YOU DESTROYED THE BEAUTIFUL WORLD I MADE FOR YOU! NO, I'M NOT GOING TO SHARE ETERNITY WITH YOU!
"That's not how any of this works." -Beatrice, E-surance commercial