Thanks for the video Jimmy. I've been debating on Scale Trains so thank you for the review. And keep doing your videos your way. Don't listen to naysayers or people that don't make your videos.
It's amazing, the detail is so much, that the lens characteristics and depth of field can't really capture all of it. I mean, it's N scale, so it's small, and you're going to have shallow DoF anyways, but at 3:47 you can see the yellow railings are in focus, the front corner, but the number boards and wipers aren't in focus, so if the slightest focus difference on a CAMERA isn't enough to show all the details, eyes surely aren't going to see all that detail. Incredible. I'd say I'm thankful that they're making some of these concessions.
Hey Jimmy, Love the new locomotive, Glad to see that Scale Trains is going for a mass produced but really good-looking locomotive. I love your flatcars that the engine was pulling. What are they and what brand. I model HO scale, so I was wondering, knowing that you do N scale. I personally would love to see more undecorated locos especially high hoods in the old EMD styles.
Good morning Jimmy. Today I’m drinking some instant Folgers…. $1.49 for 7 individual packets!!! Yummy! Thanks again for sharing your experience and knowledge with the WORLD 🌎 I am planning on making my first preorder purchase this week
I have an idea: if I stand looking at a layout that is 3 feet high and I am 6 feet tall, in HO scale I will be about 230 feet away and in N scale about 280 feet away. If I fly a drone over a real railroad at 230 feet I will see it close to 1:87 scale and if at 280 feet, close to N scale. That could be very useful for modeling. You in the US can do it (in Chile I can't because it is prohibited) and it would be interesting to see the result of photographs taken like that.
Music that is not relevant to the video gets in the way. This is a prime example of this problem on TH-cam. Personally if Jimmy had never mentioned a sound card it would have been better as I would not have been irritated by the music making it impossible to hear the train.
I thought about that too, but it's really not about the sound card, especially having a different speaker than what likely came, or didnt' come, with it.
@@andrewl9191 And you are watching the video on who knows what kind of device, so the odds of getting a decent impression of the sound card quality is minimal. Still, the music didn't help ....
@@rayopeongo I'm on a laptop, but it's irrelevant to nitpick about because the video isn't about the sound for some other brand of decoder, the video is about the loco coming DCC ready. It WOULD have been nice to see how it's set up inside though.
I wish Scale Trains would do some first generation stuff. The oldest model they have is the HO GP30, and they don’t have it in Reading RR, which had the first ones produced. They’ve visited our model railroad museum (the L&KV) to show us some of their models. I asked them when are they going to do some first generation models, I even suggested the Baldwin center cab DT66-2000. They didn’t seem too😊 interested.
I think the concept of the HypoTypical is a good idea, like you mentioned a class 2 or shortline whose loco originated at a class one can be modeled without certain one off parts but where I think scaletrains should also look is say maybe what if SP, DRG&W, Conrail, or CNJ were still around
Great idea from "Scale Trains"; Hopefully now; Scale Trains, can produce more variety including, the MTH CAD designs, acquired by"Scale Trains". I'm thinking the "Subway car series", being produced in HO, and possibly N scale, subway cars. (hopefully, different models than MTH previously made in HO scale). This opens up a whole new variety, of a hope of production, by Scale Trains. Thanks again Jimmy. (Yeah; you may want to lower the volume , of the background music, the next time you do a review). Thanks again Jimmy, for all your great work!
I like it personally. Perhaps maybe they could do an ET44 in Network South East livery in the future which would be fun. I don't mind fictional liveries. Its being creative!
Love this addition of the 'Hypotipical' line to the Scaletrains lineup! I ordered an HO scale BNSF Heritage 1 myself. I know when they announced these, the haters went berserk on Facebook (I know, big surprise, lol). But I'm in 100% agreement with you, Jimmy, this was a great move by Scaletrains, especially choosing what I consider one of their flagship Rivet Counter (not to mention their oldest) the ET44AC for this project! As I've said to the people who absolutely hate these, "this is just more variety on a model thats already proven itself over the years, and if you don't like them, don't buy them!". I know I'm excited to get mine!
I must be an old fart but I prefer 70's and 80's western trains, mainly D&RGW and SP (where I grew up). I have 9 of their new tunnel motors ordered and paid for. Just waiting for them to get shipped!
If these were cheaper id say it's a good idea but they cost the same as the prototypical line. Scaletrains got to where they are because of their high detailed as close to accurate prototypical models.
Yep... It's another Scale Trains NS... I know you love your NS, but are there any regional or shortline railroads you wish you could add to your livery?
I wish! A lot of my favorite shortlines are really small like tiny Class 3s. The main one I wish their was in N Scale was the Aberdeen Carolina and Western. It's small but a relatively famous one.
Finally they are making trains we want. Most don't need the highest detaild model. It seens ervy make is going for those hight detailed with big prices. BIL has done fome fantasy trains that work for me.
Jimmy, love your videos. Next time, please turn the music off so we can hear the sound coming from the locomotive. I couldn't hear anything and in the end is a disservice to the sound card you're showcasing.
I love scaletrains and try to buy them whenever I can. However, just getting into N scale, I noticed the BLI N scale diesels have a keep alive in them. I’m thinking of going BLI for my first N scale diesel. I just don’t know if BLI is as good quality as scaletrains.
I have two ET44 rivet counters in N scale. The detail can’t be beat. I have a BLI ES44, and I would say it’s a close second. BLI’s detail is better than their photos suggest. BLI has also been my most trouble-free brand of locomotive. I preferred the Scaletrains’ sound over BLI’s. Until I got a Rolling Thunder system. That is a game-changer with sound. There are ways to achieve the Rolling Thunder effect with all brands, but it does entail more work, mire expense.
I have not had Scaletrains locomotives, but I've had some rolling stock and I like it, plus the detail. I wouldn't have a problem buying a Scaletrains N scale loco for myself, based off what I've heard. I DO know that I did own a BLI with Paragon 4 and it was great all the time. It was a Penn Central Alco RSD-15 with the high hood and it was perfect and ran on everything. It's 6 axle, and even the part on my small layout that isn't perfect it had no trouble with.
@@manueljdaskalos Good to hear. Question. I just saw a video from someone unboxing and testing two new BLI diesels with Paragon 4. The motor noise was extremely noticeable and quite a turn off. Could it have just been an issue with his unit, or do they all have a noticeably audible motor noise? I bought a BLI T1 Reading and Im about to buy a diesel, but now I'm hesitant.
@@manueljdaskalos the guy who made the video said a wire came loose and was rubbing on the worm gear, hence the noise. He said it’s fixed now. So all is well.
I started a brief case train layout. Flat open its 4ft x 3.25 feet . I also have a antique Luis vetting? Suit case 18 inches x 32 inches.. Can anyone tell me the beat size trains to use for full landscaping of a city,airport, and boat docks. N / z / t scale?. I'm also considering space for multiple custom magnarail type tracks
So I have a rail-served industry and the class I deprecated the two miles of track to my plant. So I make a railroad. Same rivets, different paint job. Wait. There IS a prototype for this.
LOL. listen to my sound decoder. Leaves background music playing, ;) I'm not sure I'd buy these in any scale. N, especially seems like you would be hard pressed to see the finer details due to the size. I wonder why they would make these smaller runs with existing tooling vs just making more Rivetcounters to satisfy their existing demand. As you said, they are sold out more often than not. The solution is to use the same tools, add some detail, then charge more? I don't get it. Most of us want a relatively moderate amount of detail from our locomotives. Pilot detail, some under frame bits. Enough to make it look like the real thing. Anything beyond that can be done by the modeler (not many of us left it would seem). In the end, I have a less than great feeling about Scaletrains. I have one of their SD40-2s (snoot 5126) and its a great model. But it isn't that much more amazing than an Athearn Genesis or some of the Atlas Gold offerings. And I can go out and buy those just about any time. And how many of us got burned by their pre-order for the fox valley N scale SD70s and ES44s? Waited and waited only to have the order canceled by ST because they wanted to re-tool. And their pre-order guarantee? Garbage. They didn't fulfill the order and I sure as hell didn't get a $1000 credit in my account.
Of course you didn’t get a credit. Because you were not charged in the first place. When you place a preorder with ScaleTrains, they do not charge your card until the order is in the warehouse and is ready to ship.
@@tonyhoogheem8368 Nope. Their text: "If we accept your preorder, we guarantee we'll fulfill it." No where in that text does it say, if we accept and then charge you for your pre-order. It's a lie, and there is no arguing it. Now, I'm not unreasonable and I realize that giving away $1,000 for every unfulfilled pre-order would bankrupt the company in short order - I've been to the road show and I know how tight their payroll is. However, if you aren't going to back up your so called guarantee, you shouldn't put it out there to begin with. It's dishonest and says a lot about Shane and company and how they view their customers.
@@tonyhoogheem8368 Trying this again since my original reply was blocked or deleted. I think it's fair to let people read this. Their text: "If we accept your preorder, we guarantee we'll fulfill it." No where in that text does it say anything about charging or shipping to qualify as accepted. It's a lie, and there is no arguing it. I have my conformation email from when I placed my order, that should be sufficient. Communication I (and certainly others) received regarding their cancellation was an apology and a promise for a discount on the model (if it is actually every produced) and a cancellation of the order. That sure looks like an order accepted and not fulfilled to me. Now, I'm not unreasonable and I realize that giving away $1,000 for every unfulfilled pre-order would bankrupt the company in short order - I've been to the road show and I know how tight their payroll is. However, if you aren't going to back up your so called guarantee, you shouldn't put it out there to begin with. It's dishonest and says a lot about Shane and company and how they view their customers.
What is this and why? Its to much these days,not fun anymore. Glad i have my old DC trains(athearn blue boxes,atlas yellow boxes and rivarossi)and all of them still runs great. Proud dc runner😁
The whole idea of Model Railroad is modeling. What is out there in real life. So throwing in Model locomotives that are fake units, i’m not sure that’s entirely ethical. Then again it’s your layout. You can do whatever you want. I’ve spent too long too many hours making sure that my roster is pro-typical.
When is "good enough" good enough? I think this is fine. Are you an N scale modeler? Often times you can't get or even scratch build a loco to look prototypical if it's different than stock, like something modified. It's a little elitist to call it a "fake unit" though, just being something that didn't exist EXACTLY like that in real life. Something to think about, hopefully this hyper prototypical feeling doesn't encroach on your enjoyment of the hobby.
Look, if you like everything to be 100% prototypically accurate, that's fine, got no issue with it! I have several models from various manufacturers that are accurate to the prototypes, but I also like a little "what ifery" mixed in on the side as well. Calling these "Hypotipical" models "not ethical" is a bit of a reach, making it sound like they, and the people who do buy them, are breaking some law, or moral code, or something. People do enjoy these, and they do sell, plus they help fund future projects down the road.
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Great video! We're glad that you're enjoying the HypoTypical Tier 4! -Logan
Athearn is doing it better with their legendary liveries offerings. Step it up, I want a Chessie SD45!
Thanks for the video Jimmy. I've been debating on Scale Trains so thank you for the review. And keep doing your videos your way. Don't listen to naysayers or people that don't make your videos.
Dont listen to all the others on here buddy. Just keep doing your thing. This video was informative, and not about a factory installed sound.
Jimmy, haven't heard any sound out of your loc. the music was louder!
Agreed- the music overwhelmed the train sound. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
It's amazing, the detail is so much, that the lens characteristics and depth of field can't really capture all of it. I mean, it's N scale, so it's small, and you're going to have shallow DoF anyways, but at 3:47 you can see the yellow railings are in focus, the front corner, but the number boards and wipers aren't in focus, so if the slightest focus difference on a CAMERA isn't enough to show all the details, eyes surely aren't going to see all that detail. Incredible.
I'd say I'm thankful that they're making some of these concessions.
A great concept Athearn need to adopt because they could.BLUEBOX 2.0
Hey Jimmy, Love the new locomotive, Glad to see that Scale Trains is going for a mass produced but really good-looking locomotive. I love your flatcars that the engine was pulling. What are they and what brand. I model HO scale, so I was wondering, knowing that you do N scale. I personally would love to see more undecorated locos especially high hoods in the old EMD styles.
Good morning Jimmy. Today I’m drinking some instant Folgers…. $1.49 for 7 individual packets!!!
Yummy!
Thanks again for sharing your experience and knowledge with the WORLD 🌎 I am planning on making my first preorder purchase this week
Wow! I cant believe thats N scale!
I have an idea: if I stand looking at a layout that is 3 feet high and I am 6 feet tall, in HO scale I will be about 230 feet away and in N scale about 280 feet away. If I fly a drone over a real railroad at 230 feet I will see it close to 1:87 scale and if at 280 feet, close to N scale. That could be very useful for modeling. You in the US can do it (in Chile I can't because it is prohibited) and it would be interesting to see the result of photographs taken like that.
We don’t need loud background music when we are evaluating the quality of the sound card.
Music that is not relevant to the video gets in the way. This is a prime example of this problem on TH-cam. Personally if Jimmy had never mentioned a sound card it would have been better as I would not have been irritated by the music making it impossible to hear the train.
I thought about that too, but it's really not about the sound card, especially having a different speaker than what likely came, or didnt' come, with it.
@@andrewl9191
And you are watching the video on who knows what kind of device, so the odds of getting a decent impression of the sound card quality is minimal. Still, the music didn't help ....
@@rayopeongo I'm on a laptop, but it's irrelevant to nitpick about because the video isn't about the sound for some other brand of decoder, the video is about the loco coming DCC ready. It WOULD have been nice to see how it's set up inside though.
@@andrewl9191 He says, 'I installed sound, decoder, speaker and here it is' so *audio* was the exact *point* of the segment.
I wish Scale Trains would do some first generation stuff. The oldest model they have is the HO GP30, and they don’t have it in Reading RR, which had the first ones produced. They’ve visited our model railroad museum (the L&KV) to show us some of their models. I asked them when are they going to do some first generation models, I even suggested the Baldwin center cab DT66-2000. They didn’t seem too😊 interested.
Because the new locomotive generation sells.
I think the concept of the HypoTypical is a good idea, like you mentioned a class 2 or shortline whose loco originated at a class one can be modeled without certain one off parts but where I think scaletrains should also look is say maybe what if SP, DRG&W, Conrail, or CNJ were still around
Great idea from "Scale Trains";
Hopefully now; Scale Trains, can produce more variety including, the MTH CAD designs, acquired by"Scale Trains".
I'm thinking the "Subway car series", being produced in HO, and possibly N scale, subway cars. (hopefully, different models than MTH previously made in HO scale).
This opens up a whole new variety, of a hope of production, by Scale Trains.
Thanks again Jimmy.
(Yeah; you may want to lower the volume , of the background music, the next time you do a review).
Thanks again Jimmy, for all your great work!
I'mma have to look into these.
Another firehouse blend (AKA Folgers) with a scoop of ice cream and some creamer.
I like it personally. Perhaps maybe they could do an ET44 in Network South East livery in the future which would be fun. I don't mind fictional liveries. Its being creative!
Would love to see a Santa Fe warbonnet from the next run.
Great share bud. Wonder why they just don't make more of the same proto locos. These are 250 bucks too. Or 145 dc only.
Love this addition of the 'Hypotipical' line to the Scaletrains lineup! I ordered an HO scale BNSF Heritage 1 myself. I know when they announced these, the haters went berserk on Facebook (I know, big surprise, lol). But I'm in 100% agreement with you, Jimmy, this was a great move by Scaletrains, especially choosing what I consider one of their flagship Rivet Counter (not to mention their oldest) the ET44AC for this project! As I've said to the people who absolutely hate these, "this is just more variety on a model thats already proven itself over the years, and if you don't like them, don't buy them!". I know I'm excited to get mine!
Great idea
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I have a question csn hypo typical ho scale train run as a mainline, i have well cars auto rack and flat cars for semi trailers?
I must be an old fart but I prefer 70's and 80's western trains, mainly D&RGW and SP (where I grew up). I have 9 of their new tunnel motors ordered and paid for. Just waiting for them to get shipped!
Hi Jimmy. What do you feel is the minimum radius you should have with N scale passenger trains?
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I'm a might bit lazy 😊
If these were cheaper id say it's a good idea but they cost the same as the prototypical line. Scaletrains got to where they are because of their high detailed as close to accurate prototypical models.
Where does a fellow get the y6b blue?
That is a Broadway Limited Locomotive.
Yep... It's another Scale Trains NS... I know you love your NS, but are there any regional or shortline railroads you wish you could add to your livery?
I wish! A lot of my favorite shortlines are really small like tiny Class 3s. The main one I wish their was in N Scale was the Aberdeen Carolina and Western. It's small but a relatively famous one.
Finally they are making trains we want. Most don't need the highest detaild model. It seens ervy make is going for those hight detailed with big prices. BIL has done fome fantasy trains that work for me.
Jimmy, love your videos. Next time, please turn the music off so we can hear the sound coming from the locomotive. I couldn't hear anything and in the end is a disservice to the sound card you're showcasing.
Can you do review on scaletrains 68' bulkhead?
For N and Z scale… excessive detailling frankly gets in the way…
Especially with my (/our) fading eyesights…
I love scaletrains and try to buy them whenever I can. However, just getting into N scale, I noticed the BLI N scale diesels have a keep alive in them. I’m thinking of going BLI for my first N scale diesel. I just don’t know if BLI is as good quality as scaletrains.
I have two ET44 rivet counters in N scale. The detail can’t be beat. I have a BLI ES44, and I would say it’s a close second. BLI’s detail is better than their photos suggest.
BLI has also been my most trouble-free brand of locomotive.
I preferred the Scaletrains’ sound over BLI’s. Until I got a Rolling Thunder system. That is a game-changer with sound. There are ways to achieve the Rolling Thunder effect with all brands, but it does entail more work, mire expense.
I have not had Scaletrains locomotives, but I've had some rolling stock and I like it, plus the detail. I wouldn't have a problem buying a Scaletrains N scale loco for myself, based off what I've heard. I DO know that I did own a BLI with Paragon 4 and it was great all the time. It was a Penn Central Alco RSD-15 with the high hood and it was perfect and ran on everything. It's 6 axle, and even the part on my small layout that isn't perfect it had no trouble with.
@@manueljdaskalos Good to hear. Question. I just saw a video from someone unboxing and testing two new BLI diesels with Paragon 4. The motor noise was extremely noticeable and quite a turn off. Could it have just been an issue with his unit, or do they all have a noticeably audible motor noise? I bought a BLI T1 Reading and Im about to buy a diesel, but now I'm hesitant.
@@readingthebible5413, my only BLI diesel is Paragon3. My only Paragon4 is a steam engine, so I cannot five you an answer from firsthand experience.
@@manueljdaskalos the guy who made the video said a wire came loose and was rubbing on the worm gear, hence the noise. He said it’s fixed now. So all is well.
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I started a brief case train layout. Flat open its 4ft x 3.25 feet . I also have a antique Luis vetting? Suit case 18 inches x 32 inches..
Can anyone tell me the beat size trains to use for full landscaping of a city,airport, and boat docks.
N / z / t scale?. I'm also considering space for multiple custom magnarail type tracks
So I have a rail-served industry and the class I deprecated the two miles of track to my plant. So I make a railroad. Same rivets, different paint job. Wait. There IS a prototype for this.
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LOL. listen to my sound decoder. Leaves background music playing, ;)
I'm not sure I'd buy these in any scale. N, especially seems like you would be hard pressed to see the finer details due to the size.
I wonder why they would make these smaller runs with existing tooling vs just making more Rivetcounters to satisfy their existing demand. As you said, they are sold out more often than not. The solution is to use the same tools, add some detail, then charge more? I don't get it.
Most of us want a relatively moderate amount of detail from our locomotives. Pilot detail, some under frame bits. Enough to make it look like the real thing. Anything beyond that can be done by the modeler (not many of us left it would seem).
In the end, I have a less than great feeling about Scaletrains. I have one of their SD40-2s (snoot 5126) and its a great model. But it isn't that much more amazing than an Athearn Genesis or some of the Atlas Gold offerings. And I can go out and buy those just about any time. And how many of us got burned by their pre-order for the fox valley N scale SD70s and ES44s? Waited and waited only to have the order canceled by ST because they wanted to re-tool.
And their pre-order guarantee? Garbage. They didn't fulfill the order and I sure as hell didn't get a $1000 credit in my account.
Of course you didn’t get a credit. Because you were not charged in the first place. When you place a preorder with ScaleTrains, they do not charge your card until the order is in the warehouse and is ready to ship.
@@tonyhoogheem8368 Nope.
Their text:
"If we accept your preorder, we guarantee we'll fulfill it."
No where in that text does it say, if we accept and then charge you for your pre-order.
It's a lie, and there is no arguing it.
Now, I'm not unreasonable and I realize that giving away $1,000 for every unfulfilled pre-order would bankrupt the company in short order - I've been to the road show and I know how tight their payroll is. However, if you aren't going to back up your so called guarantee, you shouldn't put it out there to begin with. It's dishonest and says a lot about Shane and company and how they view their customers.
@@tonyhoogheem8368 Trying this again since my original reply was blocked or deleted. I think it's fair to let people read this.
Their text: "If we accept your preorder, we guarantee we'll fulfill it."
No where in that text does it say anything about charging or shipping to qualify as accepted. It's a lie, and there is no arguing it. I have my conformation email from when I placed my order, that should be sufficient. Communication I (and certainly others) received regarding their cancellation was an apology and a promise for a discount on the model (if it is actually every produced) and a cancellation of the order. That sure looks like an order accepted and not fulfilled to me.
Now, I'm not unreasonable and I realize that giving away $1,000 for every unfulfilled pre-order would bankrupt the company in short order - I've been to the road show and I know how tight their payroll is. However, if you aren't going to back up your so called guarantee, you shouldn't put it out there to begin with. It's dishonest and says a lot about Shane and company and how they view their customers.
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Come on Jimmy, this is what you do for a living. You should know to mute the background music if we are to hear the loco. Nice loco though.
I thought that too, but I don't think it's meant to be a review of the digitrax sound through some other speaker.
you need to kill the soundtrack when you're demonstrating the sound in a model.
My thought too. He states Here is my new model with sound, music ensues. LOL
What is this and why? Its to much these days,not fun anymore. Glad i have my old DC trains(athearn blue boxes,atlas yellow boxes and rivarossi)and all of them still runs great. Proud dc runner😁
The whole idea of Model Railroad is modeling. What is out there in real life. So throwing in Model locomotives that are fake units, i’m not sure that’s entirely ethical. Then again it’s your layout. You can do whatever you want. I’ve spent too long too many hours making sure that my roster is pro-typical.
When is "good enough" good enough? I think this is fine. Are you an N scale modeler? Often times you can't get or even scratch build a loco to look prototypical if it's different than stock, like something modified. It's a little elitist to call it a "fake unit" though, just being something that didn't exist EXACTLY like that in real life. Something to think about, hopefully this hyper prototypical feeling doesn't encroach on your enjoyment of the hobby.
Look, if you like everything to be 100% prototypically accurate, that's fine, got no issue with it! I have several models from various manufacturers that are accurate to the prototypes, but I also like a little "what ifery" mixed in on the side as well. Calling these "Hypotipical" models "not ethical" is a bit of a reach, making it sound like they, and the people who do buy them, are breaking some law, or moral code, or something. People do enjoy these, and they do sell, plus they help fund future projects down the road.
i wish they would mark the bottom of the unit with a stamp, which kind it is.
Now when going to train shows i have to be extra careful
In the
Long run, what will retain its value longer?
And where do you stop? Now making a ddx (former UP) in NS !
First