Blind Testing Vocal & Guitar Mics: Telefunken U47 vs ELA M 251E | Royer R121 vs Shure Sm57

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  • @Producelikeapro
    @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Between these microphones, which did you prefer and why? Share your thoughts below!

    • @spitfiremusic3997
      @spitfiremusic3997 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      U47 all the way each and every day

    • @plapclips6799
      @plapclips6799 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      U47 always does seem to win these days

    • @sixstringalliance4417
      @sixstringalliance4417 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Any of these would be great!

    • @MariJu1ce
      @MariJu1ce ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Really depends on the singer and the song! Im always suprised what works is not always what i expect will work

    • @Nikkie_jurnigan
      @Nikkie_jurnigan ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can you do Video how to mastering song with only pro tools stock plugins

  • @YachtPartyBandFortWayneIN
    @YachtPartyBandFortWayneIN ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hey Warren, this is Nick, the vocalist and drummer. Thank you so much for inviting our cover band Yacht Party to come perform the Steely Dan classic "Peg", we really enjoyed it, and appreciated your input very much. Hope to see you back at Sweetwater soon, or maybe you'll be at NAMM? Thanks again!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nick!! You did an amazing job my friend!! Very impressed! Hope to see you again soon

  • @Bluelagoonstudios
    @Bluelagoonstudios ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If a room isn't treated well, you hear the differences immediately, I did build studio's for broadcast purposes, and they asked me which microphones I should choose for their setup. I always said, clap your hands in the room, if it reflects everywhere, use dynamic mic's, if the room is treated, you can use dynamic and condenser mic's. If the room is treated like in studios like yours, you can hear it, but your ears have to be good to make a difference. I bought 10 Lewitt LCT 440 PURE and 2 Lewitt PURE TUBE Studio Sets. I'm happy with them. And my old SM7b's and SM58's and Shure Beta 58 A's. In time, a pair of Pure tube studio mic's will be added.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Absolutely, tight solar patterns of dynamic mics work much better in excessively live rooms!

  • @DRChevalier
    @DRChevalier ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Really very useful to me. I do more instrumental work than with vocalists so was not surprised that the choice of 57 and 121 was preferred but I was really blown away by how nicely the U47 handled the vocals. Thanks so much Warren!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks ever so much! Glad to be able to help!

  • @tjjordanmusic
    @tjjordanmusic ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That vocalist sounds awesome! Would love to hear him in some of the other mic demo videos

  • @Joey-rp5vg
    @Joey-rp5vg ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great stuff. It's amazing to hear the different sounds from mics and placement and the beauty is there is no right or wrong, only the tones your looking for for that particular song. Great video. Thanks very much

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks ever so much Joey! You Rock my friend

  • @thesongacademy5017
    @thesongacademy5017 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Peg is a masterpiece. Nice vocal

  • @TimHarrisonPlus
    @TimHarrisonPlus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed being a fly on the wall for this. I would LOVE to see this without telling anyone which mics are being used. Even knowing what’s being used in the test skews the results. Having real people in the room but having only the person positioning the mics knowing which is which would make for quite an honest test for all involved.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes! Real blind tests are definitely the way to go! Stay tuned!

  • @splashesin8
    @splashesin8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    😅Love it! Relate to, "I forgot the words right here, for a second." I did come back to him though❣️I like the closest to live sound.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haha Who hasn't forgotten their lines? Thanks ever so much!

  • @plapclips6799
    @plapclips6799 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great cover

  • @sixstringalliance4417
    @sixstringalliance4417 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great seeing Warren at work

  • @thedp
    @thedp ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I kinda ignored the tonal differences because they were minor on the vocal mic. what I really picked up on even with YT compression was the transients and detail. The U47 had less transient detail making for a "smoother" sound while the 251 was unforgiving in revealing any flaw in vocal performance. that was quite useful to hear. likewise 57 vs 121 was as expected. thanks !

  • @adiohead
    @adiohead ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Out of the box without EQ, I preferred the 251 for his vocals and and the sm57 for the guitars.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks ever so much for sharing

    • @keithferris9574
      @keithferris9574 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too. It was naturally compressed and more mix ready, but a little more sibilant.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your opinion@@keithferris9574

  • @davidperez909
    @davidperez909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I LOVE watching Warren work.

  • @spitfiremusic3997
    @spitfiremusic3997 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love that song!

  • @KirkyDrums
    @KirkyDrums ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1st was warm and suits the track .
    2nd jumped out and was really clear but didn't sit imo

  • @johnmcreason
    @johnmcreason ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Warren I loved your video I am going to try the amp technique with the two microphones for my next guitar recordings the sound is really sublime on your demo thank you very much.

  • @jhhhfdm11
    @jhhhfdm11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you mentioned typical EQ for vocals (300hz boost, 10k boost, deessing)
    i find myself often cutting 3k, to make room for instruments.
    and also i cut 10k to make room for hihats
    which frequencies you usually cut on a vocal to make room (if at all) ?

  • @jonsand2425
    @jonsand2425 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video, very interesting !

  • @vminator
    @vminator ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do have a 47fet I recently discovered to be great on female vocals, before that I always used a C-12 as the go to. Ribbons are great but are always a bit darker. I have a M160 and a pair of rode NTR's a really like. The NTR's are like a poormans 4038. Not as smooth I admit but still sound great.

  • @akagerhard
    @akagerhard ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Both the U47 and ELA M251E are not within my budget, but I preferred the U47 in the Mix (Mic 1). I felt like it was a lot harder to judge in solo. Not sure how much of it is just due to the "EQ" the Microfones impart on the sound. But I guess it's always better not to have to EQ as much afterwards.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks ever so much for sharing! I like the U47 because IF I want to brighten it it's always smooth!

    • @akagerhard
      @akagerhard ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Producelikeapro So you're saying some mics react better to being brightened up afterwards? Like when 2 different mics get to the same overall "brightness" post EQ - the U47 will likely sound smoother, eventhough it's just as bright? If this is the case I'd like to know how this would be possible. Honest question! Why?

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      IF a mic has very pronounced high mids it's hard to brighten without exaggerating those, any mic that I can just do small amounts of EQ too is always going to be a winner for me! FYI I do NOT find a U47 overly bright, not on the ones I own or have ever used@@akagerhard

    • @akagerhard
      @akagerhard 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Producelikeapro Thank you for elaborating! I take it that mics with quieter high mids are easier to EQ and others will probably need a cut in the high mids when boosting the highs more excessively. So a world class mic is preferred, but not necessary.

  • @Hello-pl2qe
    @Hello-pl2qe ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video and comparisons

  • @davidspicer5241
    @davidspicer5241 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great vid! lovely studio.

  • @brentharmonmusicproduction
    @brentharmonmusicproduction ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the Guitar Part I would have gone the Royer R122 and Shure 545sd. Then I would do like Pete Thorn, Tim Pierce and gotten the either BAE Audio 1073MP Dual Channel with the Steve Stevenson blend mod or the Chandler Limited TG2 Abbey Road Special Edition 2-channel Microphone Preamp with its summing on it.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes! I'm a huge BAE fan, I've introduced a lot of great players to their incredible mic pres!

  • @zorroinhell5549
    @zorroinhell5549 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another wisdom filled video. Thanks Warren, this is a very simple, yet valuable presentation. What button did you push on the Neve to correct phase?

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Polarity switch. Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @jeremythornton433
    @jeremythornton433 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now if we can compare the high end U47 to the low end Warm Audio U47jr. I'd really love to hear how much the price difference matters since I can't afford the expensive one but do own the cheaper one.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a marvellous idea! Stay tuned!!

  • @rome8180
    @rome8180 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought the U47 was obviously better. I was surprised that anyone preferred the 251. The plosives were way more exaggerated with the 251. And it sounded way too thick in the low mids.

  • @mariodriessen9740
    @mariodriessen9740 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can I ask you a question, Warren? Many times I have heard people say that the Shure SM57 and the SM58 are essentially the same mics with the same specs apart from that (what do you call it? A) popfilter? Is it true that you can unscrew that thing off the 58 and then you basically turned it into a 57?
    It seems like the opinions on this are divided. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @tom_k_d
      @tom_k_d ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SM57 and SM58 share the same capsule, as well as their respective Beta versions. I did the test with 57Beta A and 58Beta A: when both are having their grill unscrewed, they are 100% identical. Now thing is, you can't unscrew the SM57 grill, which will still have a slight influence on it's sound, compared to a SM58 with it's grill unscrewed - but these two come at least very close to each other, too, and it's always a good workaround when no SM57 is at hand.

    • @mariodriessen9740
      @mariodriessen9740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tom_k_d : Thank you very much. I appreciate it. You made it very clear, so thanks again!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It looks like there;'s some great answers here! Yes, same capsule!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Marvellous!@@mariodriessen9740

  • @gutekzpoligonu
    @gutekzpoligonu ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About Alice in chains Warren.
    Durring BLACK GIVES WAY TO BLUE recordings and THE DEVIL PUT DINOSAURS HERE, Jerry was singning throu ELM 251 and Martech Pre (Joe Baressi told You about that one on episode with Him) and old 160 XT DBX.
    DuVall, as a second singer, was going with same stuff but mostly via U47.
    I like ELAM for clarity and U47 for a body. Definitely great headache to have and great choice for one singer with different charmonies to try to separate A LITTLE BIT same vocals from the harmonies beside the diferences in singing.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for your great comment! I was of course referring to the classic lineup when the amazing Layne Staley was the lead singer! I really your detailed comment. Many thanks

    • @gutekzpoligonu
      @gutekzpoligonu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ProducelikeaproLayne was the beast but I love that they comeback. BTW, I wasn't too familiar with heavy and sort of speaking new way of modern mixing until I've heard "Black Gives Way To Blue" and from that on I was all in into recording and mixing modern techniques to achieve this massive heavy sound but still with a lot of analogue taste.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Marvelllous! Thanks ever so much for sharing!@@gutekzpoligonu

  • @bdlevine8791
    @bdlevine8791 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you place the 121? Did you put it in the rear or front?

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      On the front. If I'm going to use a 121 (prefer the R10 OR the R122V!) then I make sure the capsule is super close to the SM57.

  • @Ted_Swayinghill
    @Ted_Swayinghill ปีที่แล้ว +6

    PEG!!!!!

  • @byteborg
    @byteborg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How about the rear 57 mixed in for rythm and the 121 for solo sections?

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Try it! Sounds like an interesting idea to me

    • @byteborg
      @byteborg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Producelikeapro I'll certainly try it out with 57s from front&back and one of my condensers!

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Marvellous@@byteborg

  • @officialWWM
    @officialWWM ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a question about recording guitars. When producing my own music, I typically play all the instruments myself, so it’s not a full band playing live situation. I tend to choose an amp sound and play all my parts in dry with no fx and add them later when mixing. However, this can be very time consuming. Am I doing this right, or should I just fully commit to my reverb and delays etc at the time of recording? I’m very interested in anyone’s opinion:)

    • @chinmeysway
      @chinmeysway ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plug-ins?or reamp type send / return. Commit to pedals! Or delete and re-record after messin w Pedsls? Or two takes; one clean to tweak in post, one w effects baked in. Keep one version discard other down the road.

    • @officialWWM
      @officialWWM ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chinmeysway lots of decisions, lol.

    • @AmiliaCaraMia
      @AmiliaCaraMia ปีที่แล้ว

      For delays and reverbs, I add them in the box later because I want the full context of the mix so I know how to place them. It's always tedious as I like to do a lot of automation / volume rides on reverbs in general. Plus I'll sometimes want different reverbs to accent different guitar parts.
      What you can also do if you like the sound of a pedal is build a small patchbay for them. That way you can send the guitar back out to the pedal and capture it later. Wouldn't do that for saturation exactly but yeah. I do this a lot for delays / reverbs that have a particular vibe.
      Haven't found a quick way to do this, as it's all dependent upon the current mix and changes a lot.
      Cheers 🙌

    • @officialWWM
      @officialWWM ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AmiliaCaraMia interesting approach. As a guitar player, I find the way I play changes completely depending on the tone I use, the amount of reverb and delay etc. so playing clean and dry is not very conducive to getting a good performance from me. Also, I think it can be healthy to make a decision on a sound and commit to it. There seems to be a lot of different ways to skin this particular cat :)

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great question! For guitar amps, if the band has a sound they use at every going they I"m loathed to change it as everyone has worked with that sound! However, ion you're on your own and you don't have a sound you are completely committed to of course then you could add that to the channel they way you hear it and then tweak later if necessary!

  • @the-matrix-has-you
    @the-matrix-has-you 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Warren, do you and Sir Jack Douglas own Advance Audio CM251 I wonder? I have read in some forum that Jack Douglas have said the Advance Audio has nailed the sound of Vintage AKG ELaM 251... is this the Truth? could you please tell me if these statements people make are true? Thank you Warren you Rock🎼🎵🎶🎸🎹🎺🎤🎧📻

  • @nicolasblanckaert2035
    @nicolasblanckaert2035 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    maybe I'm ear tired today but to me the SM57 + Royer is too bright and I go for the 2 SMs. Or maybe it"s because I listened to too much Alice in Chains haha

  • @wyrlismike
    @wyrlismike ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im stoked, both the u47 and the 251 sound like my tube m-audio sputnik mic, never would have thought it, thanks for the esteem warren

  • @Behnan
    @Behnan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mic -> your favorite BAE Preamp -> Distressor -> Distressor -> 1176 ??

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One Distressor would be enough going into an 1176! Also if you have two Distressors you can set one to compressor and the other to limit

  • @Mister_Jahn
    @Mister_Jahn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    agree the 47 is better for him 100%

  • @thulioassis1023
    @thulioassis1023 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like how you emphasize that, if not comparing them directly, we would find them both to sound great for his voice. It's like choosing a colour for my next Ferrari - spoiler alert, I'm not.

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Indeed! They are both wonderful mics! Congratulations on your new Ferrari! Haha Factory red I assume then?

    • @thulioassis1023
      @thulioassis1023 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Producelikeapro Whatever colour is in stock and ready to go!😉

    • @Producelikeapro
      @Producelikeapro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haha exactly!@@thulioassis1023

  • @tom_k_d
    @tom_k_d ปีที่แล้ว

    Vocals: Mic 1 in this case - it adds nice grit / harmonic distortion to the vocals, which suits this song - Mic 2 sounds much cleaner, but boring. Guitar: R121: much more versatile.

  • @officialWWM
    @officialWWM ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What an awesome singer! I liked mic 2, it seemed a little brighter to me. But what do I know, I’m the Worlds Worst Musician 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @MichaelLenz1
    @MichaelLenz1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One is better for sure

  • @JSSTUDIO-wr2jq
    @JSSTUDIO-wr2jq ปีที่แล้ว +2

    🙂👍

  • @pongmaster123
    @pongmaster123 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i would appreciate if the microphones are called by their correct name, this is a Telefunken *USA* U47 and has not to much in common with a real original U47.

    • @metalman3227
      @metalman3227 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The company is actually called:- TELEFUNKEN Elektroakustik In what respect are they 'not to(o) much in common'?

  • @PrantoKoX
    @PrantoKoX ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting video, good and realistic insight into what so often happens in a studio, for a vocal session.
    👍🏼👍🏼
    On a side note, I always find it amazing how most don't even flinch at the fact that those "Telefunken" (a brand & badge bought and revived, that has nothing to do with the German preamps, AEG/Siemens gear, and re-badged Neumanns & AKGs of back in the day) microphones linked in the video description are SO vastly, wildly overpriced - just because they carry that badge, it is IMHO no excuse to price them hijacking & riding on the extremely high prices now fetched by the original, vintage mics.
    These are modern day & age made mics, manufactured with all the aid and benefits of modern technology, globalization, parts outsourcing, CNC and metalwork advancements, global distribution etc, and they didn't even need to do the groundwork for the capsule and circuit design as they are using the work of the original European engineers.
    Clearly, despite being good, their prices are greedily inflated, like x5 if not even x10.
    I find that despicable.
    Buy one of these and although you can flaunt the name, you still know you don't have the real thing. And I find that silly.
    So, for my money, best stick to smaller brands and more original mics of today, with far more realistic prices.
    🤷🏼‍♂️
    To each their own.

    • @metalman3227
      @metalman3227 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ok but you trashed a video because the engineer Darrell Thorpe uses mainly Lauten Audio mics which are a fraction of the price and even though he uses them on every album you made it sound like the video was an Ad. Be consistent, you just sound like you're trolling looking for a reason to complain.

    • @PrantoKoX
      @PrantoKoX ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalman3227 @metalman3227 Not at all. Pls read what I wrote again before calling names.
      I didn't "trash" anything, actually I often praise videos here and elsewhere.
      Regrading that other video (although I fail to see why you would be commenting on it here under an unrelated video and go seeking out my comments - makes you look like a bit of a stalker or fanboy??), I clearly said I like & use Lauten mics, I like & respect Darrell and his work - but I'm not blind.
      And I wouldn't assume on what engineer X or producer Y uses, if you trust YT for such info in the age of such aggressive marketing... well good luck to you!
      Rearding this video, just read again, my comment is about "Telefunken" of today and their pricing policy.
      Nothing against the video itself. And nothing to do with this channel's very evident brand pushing in other videos, regardless of the prices.
      Thanks for following me around, over & out - cheers.
      ✌🏼

    • @metalman3227
      @metalman3227 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thou doth protest too much @@PrantoKoX you are ignoring the vital point. The mics Darrell uses are majority Lauten, so a video where he records drums are going to be.....yes, you guessed it.....Lauten! That doesn't make it a video for Lauten. Address that, edit your comment, or even admit you're wrong and then you can have a point of value LOL

    • @PrantoKoX
      @PrantoKoX ปีที่แล้ว

      @@metalman3227 Sorry, I don't take orders.
      🤐

    • @metalman3227
      @metalman3227 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You just lie LOL@@PrantoKoX

  • @dralithi
    @dralithi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the U47, because it's the topic of a Frank Zappa lyric joke 😂

  • @in.der.welt.sein.
    @in.der.welt.sein. ปีที่แล้ว

    Mic 2 hurt my ears

  • @keithstuart1670
    @keithstuart1670 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe you should get a REAL vocalist

    • @AdamTru1
      @AdamTru1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hope you find the attention you so desperately seek.