This Will Change Your Perspective On Killian Hayes..
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2023
- I used to watch tons of Detroit Pistons games back when Deividas Sirvydis was still a part of the team. In every game, Killian Hayes stood out to me as a pretty bad player. He would either miss every single shot he took or make stupid attempts to squeeze the ball into a crowded paint. Simply put, I wasn't a fan of Killian Hayes. So, I decided to analyze his game, and it completely changed my perspective on Killian Hayes.
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Rockets should sign him with brooks and van fleet. All first brick team.
💀☠️ fits perfect don’t forget Jabari smith 😂
Crazy how they’ll still make the playoffs this season though 😬
@@elitetv1735 hell nah
@@bxmo7077 the deepest team in the league have always made the playoffs, we are definitely the deepest team in the league when our 11 and 12 men is Landale and green who both played meaningful playoff minutes for arguably the 2 best teams out west. Plus Jae’ Sean Tate who wouldn’t even fit in this 12 man lineup.. amen, KPJ, cam, Tari, and landale/green/Tate is our bench
Don't do Van Vleet like that he had injuries and the raptors were garbage despite having talent
Hey everyone, thank you for your kind comments. I've read all of them. Creating basketball videos for people who enjoy them is the best thing I could have asked for. Thank you so much.
you make really good and smart content, I needed someone who could cover the bases on niche topics like this!
you sound like you're from France which would explain your affection for Killian Hayes- hate to break the bad news, but per a confirmed news report today (Monday 7/24/23) popular NBA sportscaster *MARC STEIN* "the Detroit Pistons are determined to trade Killian Hayes a.s.a.p." ...this is some of the BEST news I've heard for Pistons nation all summer long!!!!!🤣😅😂
Here is my perspective on Killian Hayes. He was chosen way too high. If he was chosen in the second round of the draft I could see that. He was a guy who had only played 10 games in a lower division league in Germany who seemed to have some promise but there wasn't enough background on him to justify a first round pick. He plays decent defense. He shoots free throws well and he has good court vision. He just doesn't score or shoot well from the field. He exemplifies a problem with the current drafting system and that is young players who haven't really been tested are chosen so high up in the draft based simply on upside. 1 or 2 is fine but nowadays, actual tested college players with more than one year experience are the exception for first round picks.
Hayes should never have started day 1.
Killian's INDIVIDUAL numbers msy not be impressive, but Killian's numbers are ON PAR with KC JONES of the Celtics Dynasty.
If KC JONES was good enough to be Floor General of a DYNASTY, then we're SWEATING KILLIAN TOO HARD.
What Killian Hayes LACKS isn't a RIGHT HAND or a JUMPER; what Killian Hayes LACKS...
IS A BILL RUSSELL.
Lack of summer league and euro cup rlly hurt him in 2020
He didnt play in a lower division league. He played in the first division. Also there was more than enough background on him considering he has been considered one of the best european prospects of his class since he was 16. His game simply didnt translate to the nba. Thats all there is to it. Him being selected in the top 10 was definetly justified
stfu. Killian Hayes is my goat and that's facts. His efficiency from the field is amazing and he just had a 50-40-90 season what u talking about
Killian was drafted as a project but no one is saying it. He is only 21. Giannnis and Westbrook are vets and on that list so I think he can improve. Coaching matters. This guy has started and played pretty well in some games which shows he has the potential. Just needs time and the right guidance and he can be a good player for a winning team
Exactly
Giannis and Westbrook were picked as projects because they’re freak athletes that weren’t that skilled. The “project” is training them to be more skilled so that it can be combined with their athleticism. This doesn’t apply to Killian at all.
@@obi3924 lol yes it does
" nu uh"@@lbt782
Except Giannis and Westbrook were able to at least score in the paint and driving. Killian can’t shoot OR drive
I think he’s a perfect back up”old school” pg. he just came in the league so young.
Ehh. This doesn't change anything for me personally. Solid defender with no offense to speak of in an offense driven league. Complete liability even as a back up.
No scoring, you mean. At 21 years old, he couldn’t score.
Killian hayes is a play maker his strength is getting other involved especially shooters...... he's been on teams with horrible shooters tho
Let's give new coach Monty Williams a season to work with Killian. Williams has a history of developing young players - and Killian is still young enough to continue to develop his game. If he doesn't show some significant improvement over the course of the season as a bench player - well, let's cross that bridge when we get to it.
we need you in the nba community fr there’s not enough euro recognition in the community and i think you can provide that for it and the us basketball world in general
I agree I think Killian is a solid player with good passing and defense, he’s not the perfect player but as a backup he’ll be solid
He is trash.
Exactly he’s not a starter type of guy but a backup makes sense if he was under a genuinely great leading point guard his ceiling could raise but he doesn’t have anyone to really learn from
@@calebmoore1861 no he is just terrible. Nobody can help his shooting or the fact he is limited athletically. He just is not an nba player.
@@calebmoore1861to understand why you are wrong, consider Ben Simmons who was the #1 pick in the NBA draft. Like Killian Hayes, Ben showed above average defensive skills for a guard, and flashed elite playmaking.
Unlike Hayes, Simmons knew his NBA head coach, Brett Brown, from Day 1 because Brown coached Ben's father in Australia when Simmons was a kid. Ben also had superstar guards like Jimmy Butler and elite 3-point shooters like J.J. Redick on his team to learn from and be mentored by.
But perhaps the most profound advantage Ben had that Killian never did is Simmons skipped his entire first year in the NBA rehabbing an injury. That extra year to "just listen and learn" helped propelled Ben the following season to the same "NBA Rookie of the Year" his Philadelphia 76ers predecessor, Michael Carter-Williams won.
None of this mattered because of the one main trait Ben shares with Killian: he flat out sucks at shooting and has not improved at it over time. However, because the Philadelphia 76ers front office had issues and had an inexperienced GM who had to make a decision on Simmons, they resigned Ben to a designated rookie max extension.
This turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes of "The Process" and many in Philly are predicting it will ultimately be the reason "The Process" failed. Ben averaged numbers so bad last season, he wasn't even worthy of a bench role.
The Detroit Pistons do not want a repeat of "The Process, and will therefore not invest in him the way Philly did with Ben. But mostly, what this proves is it doesn't really matter what situation you are drafted into.
If you suck at shooting and don't make a serious effort to improve, you will not be a "backup PG" but more likely, out of the league. 🏀
@@TuNnLthe biggest main trait they share is lack of confidence and passiveness. You can be a great player without a shot, you can be a great player without aggresiveness. But you cant be a great player without either. MAYBE if youre a rim running big elite defensive big but even the least confident of those guys are way more aggresive than ben or killian
Really great production quality on these videos, and you go into way more depth than most NBA youtubers on players that don't get a lot of deeper analysis.
This was a really solid breakdown that equally measured strengths against weaknesses without pretending that something is there that isn't or diving into the realm of hyperbole.
Also, props to the comment section for not getting stupid. I know Killian is super divisive for some reason (mostly because Pistons fans wanted Haliburton. But remember, if Pistons draft Haliburton they don't draft Cade) but this comment section has not flown off the handle.
I think the biggest problem with Hayes is that the Pistons don't have any great shooters from three in their young core. Adding Sasser, Morris and Harris to Bojan and Burks will make it easier to focus on his playmaking this year. Cade being back should take some pressure off as well.
Killian is literally my favorite player in the league. Die hard piston fan all my life. I’ve always loved pass first point guards, but something about all the hate he gets made a super fan. I even bought one of his PSA 10 rookie cards for like 350 ish. Im ridin with killian til the wheels fall off 😤😤😤
I feel the same way his greatest weaknesses are fixable. His shot mechanics are getting better. Learning to use his off hand will unlock a whole game with his handles.
i’m a pistons fan too, just not a fan of killian, i don’t mind though cause we’re not trying to win a championship but this year is truly make or break as next year should be for a playoff push
Love it
I too find myself rooting for Killian more than any other piston for some reason
If he can just be more confident and efficient offensively then I think we have a winning player
on da downlow n just don't know it yet? smh
Sad
Boy that rockets team going to be straight bricks
because of that You earn my subscription....
Im a big fan of Hayes. And I have a gut feeling no one ,even stats can explaim why there is special on this young man.
this is the first time i heard anything about his defense. The whole pre draft i just heard comps to d angelo russell on both ends
Good video dude still has been potential does a couple things well and is getting better.
This flick is REALLY well done. Thanks.
Don't forget this dude was ranked no 1 by The Athletic
I haven't watched many Pistons games all I know is he absolutely destroyed my Mavericks in a couple games.... His midrange is nasty I wouldn't give up on this guy yet. He has talent, just needs to develop.
Lmao his mid range is his only shot and he dreads contact.
Earned my sub. Nice vid
Primary problems:
Footwork off the right hand off the bounce (pull ups going right)
Going right
He changes his form often, when he shoots more fluidly (one motion, primarily with his legs) he makes it more often, when he doesn’t (which is most of the time) he looks like he does on most nights smh
been waiting on this vid
Man, I realized that the Rockets next season might build a colosseum for all the bricks they make.
great video as per usual
Killian needs to go to Spurs and finish development
Thank you for the measured breakdown
Killian can ball but he needs to go to the spurs where he can grow and develop more in there system.
He is similar to Ben Simmons where he dosent have a jump shot coming in hopefully he makes and stops the comparison
will be off of detroit soon. cant put the ball in the hoop
He can control tempo well also
its clear to me that dwane casey is giving him lots of minuts to tank, kinda smart actually
let's be real he'll be back in europe in the next 1-2 years...
Facts
Great guard defender, solid playmaker, and no left hand, if he gets a jumper he’ll be Jaylen Brown
He’s left handed
😂😂😂
I don't understand how the hell this video is supposed to change anybody's perspective. If one of the worst shooters in the NBA develops a jump shot, he might have a chance? That's your insight? Lol.
Everyone's perspective is that Killian should be out of the league, my perspective is that Killian's defense alone will keep him in the league for many years to come.
@@ImaBallJunkiethat would be the case if he was even average at any other facet of the game like other players that get signed for their defense but he’s terrible 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ImaBallJunkieYou have lost you mind Bro. 😂
@@bluesnem8396did you even watch the video?
@@ImaBallJunkie I can see Killian ending up playing a role like Dennis Schroeder had on the Lakers. Schroeder hurt the team's spacing, but his defense and his ball handling were enough to keep him in the rotation, and he even started some playoff games for them. Killian's not as good as Schroeder, but he is, as you said, 21, so there is absolutely room for improvement.
Under John Beilein, Killian Hayes is REINVENTING HIS JUMPSHOT.
HIS LEFT-HANDED JUMP SHOT.
When former UM Coach Beilein was hired, fans wondered why.
The ANSWER came in the form of the Pistons VERY PUBLICLY explaining that Beilein would customize Developmental Programs.
Killian Hayes Jumpshot was the featured project.
It's kinda like Tiger Woods reinventing his Golf Swing.
RIP HAMILTON COMMERCIAL:
"You wanna shoot like me? That could be difficult. You have to shoot 1000 jumpers a day for 20 years."
TWENTY YEARS!
Killian's NEW Jumper is what, 2 YRS OLD?
Killian was an APPRENTICE who was forced to start, and had Cory Joseph as a Mentor.
Killian deserves a FRESH SLATE.
What was he supposed to accomplish with Plumlee, Grant, Kelly Olynyk, Trey Lyles, Cory Joseph, Saben Lee, Braxton Key, Luke Kennard, Isaiah Livers, Eugene Omoruyi, Kevin Knox, etc?
is this the same dude who used to upload twitch clips
Still don’t know why they traded bey
Guys like this is why people need to pump the breaks on the European talent as not all of them pan out. There are a lot of busts that come out of Europe.
There are a lot of busts that came out of the NCAA, should NBA teams stop drafting NCAA players ?
Brain dead take. US prospects fail too, and probably at a higher clip lately.
Imma be honest, this doesn't change how I look at him at all. Yes he has defensive and passing potential, but it doesn't matter because of how unbelievably bad he is at scoring, he genuinely does not have one good move and he's by faaar the most inefficient player in the league. And it's not like he's carrying the offensive load either, its just 12 ppg, he has almost not improved his scoring at all in 3 years and its honestly funny how bad he is at putting the ball in the basket. Like I can't even imagine a world where he even develops into a regular below average or bad nba scorer.
Oh boy, if he has even a decent level of discipline. Pop will love him.
wish Pistons will trade him cause they have so many players in his position, "Better Players". he won't grow there.
I’m surprised I thought Ousmane Dieng has the worst shooting
Hayes hate is crazy imma Detroit fan he avg 10.2pts 6.2ast n had good games and is our best defender and passer
I'm pretty sure Ausar Thompson is a better defender and a better passer already, headed forward.
The Hayes stats r crazy😂
Whats his efficiency. He legit has shouts for the worst player in the league that gets significant minutes
Ben Simmons with no rim pressure tuff
Great content, earning a SUB from me.
I would like to say:
While breaking down film on a player is a GREAT indicator on Pros & Cons of a player, watching the game is the only way to really tell the story.
As a diehard Pistons fan, I can say that Killian is basically the worst player in the NBA.
Above average defense and above average playmaking doesnt make up for the worst offensive player in the league.
I don’t want him to suck, i promise!
But that doesn’t change the fact that he sucks.
Time to move on and send him to 🇨🇳
"whether or not Killian fouled Doncic is up to debate"
shows Killian smacking Luka's arm and directly interfering with the shot 2 times as a clear foul~
lmap
So isiash Stewart can stay but Killian can't??? Killian got defence and good passing. isiah Stewart is decent but all the tall guys shoot over his SMALL arms
Houston’s going to have a rough year😂
I ain’t gave up just hope Troy doesn’t either
Don’t get it messed up, even though he’s not a good NBA player he will still easily give you buckets.
It seems to me that some fans have forgotten that John Beilein and Killian Hayes were working together to REINVENT Killian's JUMPER.
Isn't that kind of like Tiger Woods REINVENTING HIS GOLF SWING?
probably Ntilikina or Exum career can be his path, defensive guards but non productive scorers
Killian Hayes is a Ricky Rubio caliber imo don't expect him to be your second option.
"The 'Detroit Fan Base' was already losing patience with Killian Hayes..."
LOL!! OPPONENTS WANT KILLIAN SO BAD!!
I... AM A PISTONS FAN...
WE GOOD... TYVM!!
DE-E-TROIT...
I see you changed the title 😭
Depending on what kind of contract he brings in...keep him. Doubt much trade value. And pistons known to give away good players ish smith bruce brown, kcp....middleton
@3:27 - 2023 DETROIT PISTONS COVERAGE:
POINT OUT SUPPOSED "FLAW"(?), SUGGEST SOLUTION. (NEGATIVE SPIN and FOCUS).
2004 "GOING TO WORK" PISTONS COVERAGE:
"And just look at the respect the defense is paying Killian Hayes; they're double-teaming hin 35 feet from the hoop!!
Now THAT'S GRAVITY."
(POSITIVE "SPIN").
AKA "GOING TO WORK!" = POSITIVITY FOCUSED.
OH YEAH... BY THE WAY: "GOING TO WORK", WORKED!!
IT'S TIME TO GO TO WORK...
AGAIN!!
We could've had Haliburton 🤦!!
@3:26 - 4 Knicks are already back and SET on DEFENSE, and only 3 Pistons have crossed half court... 😑
Killian Hayes, Isaiah Livers, and Eugene Omoruyi... 😐😑...
So Killian Hayes supposed go 3 on 4, AND head towards the corner when Double Teamed... 😑😖☺... 😐😖☺😅😂😅...
Detroit is among the worst teams in the NBA, and with Killian Hayes on the floor last season, for 100 possessions, they were 4 points a game WORSE.
When a point guard cant make lay ups i fault the scout who drafted him he could not be on my team! He should have 15 points just on lay ups!!
Bro should of never been a lottery pick because he cant live up to his expectations
bro got waived his careers over
@3:41...
LOL!! IT'S THAT JAMES HARDEN DEFENSE EVERYBODY WAS PRAISING AND THEN BORROWED.
LOL!! 😅😂😅😂😅😂
If Killian Hayes had played 4 Years in College, he'd have just graduated.
Killian Hayes... CLASS of 2023...
LOL!!
I... AM A PISTONS FAN!!
WE GOOD!!
WE GOOD!
DE-E-E-TROIT... BASKETBALL!!
My last comment he has to MAKE LAY UPS NUFF SAID!!!!!!!😊
In other words he’s Ben Simmons
he’ll be traded to san antonio
*my perspective on BUST Killian Hayes has NOT changed, he still really, really sucks at basketball* SMH
Hayes has no right hand
Based on the SUCCESS of KC JONES and MARCUS SMART, NO GM WOULD CONSIDER ANY OF THE POINTS YOU COVERED A DEAL BREAKER OR A RED FLAG.
Rockets signed 2/3 worst scorers in the league and already had 2 out of the top 10 now they got 3 of the 5 worst scorers and 4 in the top 10
Narrrator: "It didn't change anyone's perspective."
Killisn Hayes numbers are ON PAR with CURRENT Celtics STARTING PG and OVERALL 6TH... SIXTH PICK MARCUS SMART.
Yet BOS was considered a CONTENDER.
So if a team can have a DYNASTY and be a CONTENDER with a KILLIAN HAYES type of PG, METHINKS THOU DOST PROTEST TOO MUCH.
Hey spurs get this kid
He needs a fresh start
He needs to learn how to cut, non shooting players can still contribute to spacing with smart cuts.
That works for forwards, but killian’s a point guard. As long as he can’t shoot, he’ll always hold back his team’s offense. Ben Simmons had the same issue. With as good as Ben Simmons’ defense and passing was, his inability to shoot 3’s always held back his team, especially in the playoffs where teams would exploit it the most. That’s just how it is in the modern nba.
@@obi3924 Its still works even for a PG, especially for taller PGs. If you see the clips for these video alone, there were 5-6 clips that he should do a 45 cut to counter the strong side double team but he didn't. And as you said, it's modern NBA, which is positionless, which makes cutting roles good for everyone even for smaller players. Yes he still needs to improve his shooting but shooting isn't the only answer to his lack of production because if you watch the clips, he is not a good off-ball player.
@@obi3924 Even simmons do great cutting, the problem for simmons is he cuts just to pass not to shoot. Even the most viral clip of simmons passing the ball, that was a great cut he just didn't shot the ball.
i strongly disagree out of the league in an year or 2, didnt the pistons select another ball handler to replace him in this years draft? no D, bad 3 ball and streaky shooting fg%.. The only skill worth talking about him is the turnover to assist ration its not bad with 6 assist to 1.5 turnover. Its hilarious ''ball junkie'' talk about lockdown D but killian on the nba site and filtering defensive win shares the dude is ranked 311 in his one ''strong point'' 😂😂😂 or how dude opponents points allowed in the paint are higher then centers like plumlee 😂
Pistons fan here and Hayes at best is an average defender. He gets steals yes but is eaten alive in man to man d for the most part and often gets lost in in screens. He was benched a few times in favour of Joesph cause of his poor d. Hayes is one the worst players I have ever seen in a pistons uniform
I didn’t think you really watched pistons games. Most times he grinds the offence to halt. He was bottom ten player in transition and the worst player in the nba against the zone. He has played 20 good games in 170 starts. Look at his averages the last 33 games this year. Absolutely disgusting
I will never change my opinion on killian hayes its just hate atp
shooting... really? 🤔
What MANTRAS have PAST DYNASTIES USED?
WHAT WAS THEIR FOCUS?
"Offense wins GAMES, but DEFENSE wins CHAMPIONSHIPS!"
"NO REBOUNDS, NO RINGS!!"
NOW... What's that MANTRA about SHOOTING?
HUH? There ISN'T ONE?
What does the fact that there is no SHOOTING MANTRA associated with winning tell you.
What do CHAMPIONS FOCUS ON?
People talk about Killian Hayes being a "7th Pick Bust".
Why? Because he couldn't carry Kelly Olynyk, Trey Lyles, and Cory Joseph to the Playoffs?
Was Killian supposed to make up for the injured Jerami Grant?
Was Killian supposed to make Mason Plumlee breakout?
Killian hasn't even had LEGIT BIGS or FINISHERS to pass to yet.
Let's see how "TRUE ROOKIE" Killian does with Duren, Wiseman, and Bagley instead of Olynyk, Lyles, and Braxton Key.
Ball Junkie... Fixating on what NUMBER someone was chosen at is LOWBROW.
Troy Weaver has said his Draft approach is to GET THE PERSON RIGHT.
If Killian Hayes was the PERSON Weaver wanted anyway, then Weav would have tried to make it happen regardless of what pick it was.
🤔
Troy Weaver also said he does not look for shooting in the Draft or Free Agency.
If you're NOT ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WEAVER AS THE PISTONS, THEN YOU'RE NOT EVALUATING THE PISTONS.
Young player playing for a poor franchise that’s not good with development is not a good combo
He is terrible taking a spot for someone who can actually hoop at this point ild even bring isiah Thomas way better
Watched every game this guy played. Non impactful assists and below average d. He is the worst player in the nba
His very soft as well
PISTONS OPPONENTS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SCOUT EVERY PISTONS PLAYER'S WEAKNESS ON TH-cam.
IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF BEING AN "ADVANCED SCOUT" FOR THE OPPONENT IF YOU EXPOSE EVERY WEAKNESS, BECAUSE NOBODY IS PERFECT.
EVERY PLAYER HAS WEAKNESSES. PISTONS PLAYERS, TOO.
WHY BE A SCOUTING REPORT FOR OPPONENTS?
WHY MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR THEM?
WOULD YOU LET US KNOW ALL YOUR MOTHER'S FLAWS AND WEAKNESSES?
Based on your CRITERIA, THE 1960s CELTICS DYNASTY was the WORST TEAM IN THE NBA, BECAUSE THEY WERE THE WORST SHOOTING TEAM.
GET THAT? THE CELTICS HAD A DYNASTY, BUT MANY SEASONS WERE THE WORST SHOOTING TEAM IN THE LEAGUE.
GO FIGURE OUT WHY AND GAIN A WHOLE NEW "PERSPECTIVE".
Dude punched a man in the back of rhe heqd when he was turned around. Hes literally the most lathetic type of person.
Let’s keep that in context. The player he hit in the back of the head pushed Killian into the Piston bench while they were both running for a loose ball.
From Detroit, he's a bum. Hope Sasser and Morris get all his minutes
Hayes > Simmons
Nothing in this changes my mind at all. He was picked to high, and if u can't score defense is meaningless. A 1 dementional player on the Pistons is useless. Can I have some free money for doing nothing please?
this video was a big nothing burger. Proved nothing but him being an overall average defender