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JJK animator interview part 2: th-cam.com/video/bDx5HhvZcEk/w-d-xo.html
This whole season has really exposed mappa but it’s also put a spotlight on tons of animators. I’ve followed a lot and they deserve their flowers. Mappa is doing too much slow it down.
hell yeah i love seeing a lot of these animators getting their paid dues - the one few times im gladf that twitter exists haha
No it didn't this stuff has been going on for years now all of a sudden everyones cares.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord That's what we want, right?
@@-_-7770 not in this way people are acting like its new information
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylordWould you rather nothing is done?
Bruh a week to work an episode is insane and people were talking about how the jjk movie only had a few months of production for something that felt like it had 1-2 years of animation. I'm glad MAPPA's working conditions are becoming widely known and hopefully maybe even Japan has a change in their intensive work culture someday
wait WHAT??? i thought these episodes were made during the gap between jjk 0 and 2023 i had no clue they were still worked on while being released
and still some shitty anime fan still say that it's bad after seeing just a little 0.01 bad frame
@@rubub8455That's unfortunately the way a lot of studios in the Industry work, it's not unusual for episodes to not be finished till the day they air.
it really puts in perspective the pressure PA's and directors need to deal with to get all this tied up before air date. I can't even imagine the stress they are dealing with!!
I don't understand why are they working while the show is airing . It sounds like bunch of boomers cannot let go of the bad practices of the past . There's no reason for Mappa not finishing shows before the release .
The staff (-CEO) did amazing work on the latest JJK episode. But if they had more time, pay, and other benefits it would have been hundreds of times better.
Don't know what to you're on about, the episodes are starting to look mid as hell.
@@galaxybrainkid1222True.. Just imagine if the animation and the art level were at par with jjk0 Or jjks1, what we would have witnessed. This season deserved much much better.
*Although, everyone is biased. In some way, or another, you’ll think similarly or entirely differently from what other think about a topic. But respect the people who made it special in the first place. Because, anime is wonderfully bizarre and I love it. The arc really could benefit from more quality, but the animation and intense work culture in Japan is just…. vile and cruel to be honest.*
Unfortunately anime doesn't make much money. Some good anime only sell 200 to 2000 bluray copies. Merchandise makes much more money, but that is not produced by the animation studio. Animation studios also barely get any money from streaming sites, especially non japanese ones.
Pay? What does it have to do with it?
it's heartbreaking seeing so many people on social media complaining about the animation in recent episodes instead of trying to support the animators
That’s fr the part that gets me is ignorant Instagram commenters complaining about yuji grasshopper fight when they had back to back to back insane fights(sukana jogo, sukana mahagora, toji v Octobitch
@@taylorpennington8126Grasshopper was one fight I don’t get why so many people acting like that’s the entirety of season 2
The only way to support the animator is to STOP supporting mappa
Getting these interviews is very impressive considering you haven't even hit 100k subs yet keep it up bro
thank you!! many more to come in the future!!🙏
They should've at least delayed S2 for at least 2 months. The change of quality and animation is quite obvious. Imagine the "full product" of Sukuna vs. Mahoraga fight if they had more time.
They were given more time for That very same episode.
It would barely look any different. Getting to that point in that little time is a testament to their talent, but it doesn't mean more time would translate into something completely different, just less struggle for the workers. People need to realize how each aspect affects the result more.
They were given 2 years to make it. The issue wasn't time the issue was squeezing in projects like chainsaw man and hells paradise whilst supposed to be working on jjk, they had ample time and management fucked it up
@@carpathianhermit7228don't say bullshit, hell's paradise dosen't have anything to do with CSM and JJK
@@user-og6pb6dd5p Ur smart aren't you.
i don't think this is only Mappa. Isn't the whole animators industry like this? Hopefully this'll be the stepping stone for the bright future of animators.. hope the overwork culture changes, while still delivering quality products.. they need more time and maybe more animators and of course more salaries for the animators
If my knowledge is right, Kyoto Animation (Violet Evergarden) is the only studio so far that give fair wages and decent working conditions etc.
@@habun_iibut didnt that one get burned down? Or does the new building have the same working conditions as the previous one?
@@ehikssu4499 yes and I’m not entirely sure but the conditions are probably the same but with stricter security and safeguarding protocols considering the arson attack.
@@habun_iiKyoAni and Ufotable are the only two studios that hire in house staff, provide training and are famous for treating animators well, sadly they're not the industry standard
@@ehikssu4499 That doesn't change anything, it's a building, not how they work. ???
the fact they can make something look so beautiful shows that despite everything, they do care about this project, and i respect the hell out of that
my heart goes out to the animators at Mappa, and I pray that they can get the respect they MORE than deserve
I've been working in animation company for nearly 8years and the work culture is the same. It's a competitive place for artists and there's always a time or a year when we don't get enough sleep (1 or 2hours/day) just to finish our work before the deadline. We're paid $9 each LO in the contract but we take home $8 as for company regulation is they take $1 and release it when the show is completed (they say it's our bonus but there's anomaly in there) We're sometimes given a nearly impossible task like finishing a full landscape BG in a day and I get it that it's annoying at times but it's part of the job we applied for. It's a happy place for workaholics and competitive but for people seeking a work- life balance, it's not. MAPPA must be lucky to have kind PA's. In our studio, PA's are like wardens. They're the one who gives us so much pressure and a lot of them doesn't even think we're human who needs to sleep and also gets sick.
I heard their PAs are pretty nice
YES! I have been saying this for a while, you need to thank the animator themselves. Honestly, animators should be more known than VA.
i wanted this too but once you saw the harassment to encouragement ratio, you tend to lean back on being grateful they're niche. whats to stop a misinformed hormonal teenager doxxing and sending d*** threats to an outsourced freelance animator just cause they didn't like the final product
Everytime u learn more about the situation the more heartbreaking it is how abused these animators have it.
Great job getting these interviews!
It's always important to inform the general public of things like this cuz, although I know animators are overworked (as well as anyone working for black companies), I never really think about it while watching Mappa's stuff, and I don't think others do either (with so many people complaining about CGI).
"- How is Mappa able to produce so many great quality anime every year compared to other studios?"
"- They can probably just afford to pay enough animators, so each individual one isn't overworked... Right?"
that's why i made this vid in the first place!! we gotta appreicate the hard work ppl are putting in behind the scene
What do you mean by black companies?
@@xxxazt white and black companies in japan idk its some sort of thing they got going
@@xxxaztbasically shady unethical companies that don’t treat their employees with the right amount of respect. A white company would be the opposite of that:)
Man it hurts my soul to hear this stuff. JJK S2 looks increadble and its very pleasing to the eyes. Some people see some scuff which is fine but its truly something to behold. I pray that the working conditions for these guys improves and Japan sets better standards then this. Truly puts a tear in my eye, these guys are putting MAPPA on their back. Great interview my guy. Keep up the good work.
We need to work together to delay season 3! It would be for the best for everyone, and the animators really need a long, well deserved break
Hey man it’s good to see you upload again! Keep it up.
appreciate the love!!!🙏
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20$ DOLLARS?!! YOUR TELLING ME THAT THESE ANIMATORS WHO WORK ON SOME OF THE MOST HIGH-QUALITY AND SOUGHT AFTER SHOWS ARE BEING PAYED ONLY 20 FREAKIN DOLLARS?!!!
I can’t believe Mappa has the Nerve to pay their workers so little for what is essentially the lifeblood of what gives their company the ability to stand on its own two-feet.
Words are insufficient to express how much Shame these corporate dogs should be feeling for these unjust acts. This is just…
WRONG
wat's the show that's playing in the back ground
where's the proof that you actually interviewed these people?
its good to hear that they are doing well at mappa and that its mainly due to time and management constraints , and i agree with other ppl here that MAPPA has jsut put too much on their plate in terms of number of shows they are taking on probably why they have bad management and worn the staff thin. Great vid thx
Almost every studio has too much on them
Can we just appreciate the thumbnail. thats critical creativity right there
I think just simply delaying the season would fix the issue, i’m sure a lot of people are okay with that.
“Late is a little while, but suck is forever” -Gabe Newell
MUCH RESPECT to every Mappa animator 🫡
I think what happened is done what mappa can do after season 2 is to just give all the animators 6 months paid leave with a huge bonus dude they deserve that shit. I havent seen a movie like animation quality pumped out every single week
What we need to do is diversify the top crust shows across more studios. The reason shows like Aot and JJK suffered so much from MAPPA were because they were made by committee. Meaning that there was a higher board demanding dates. While something like CSM had no committee and had far better work environment. Its why there is so much more visible passion, and spirit in CSM than Aot and JJK. It just looks more refined because there wasent as much of a whip there to force them to get it out on sharp brutal deadlines. In Aot or JJk there are plenty of shots of just missing body parts, bad animation quality, stale png shots etc that just come with not giving them time to be dynamic
Great video, do you know if there’s anywhere ppl can donate to the animators?? $20 per LO cut is appalling, these people deserve better.
Donate? The only thing you can help them is to directly buy their Blu-ray/DVD box sets because these are the only merchandise that goes directly into the production studio. Everything else are from their sponsors and IP holder companies which doesn't contribute into paying these animators at all. The worse is that those other merchandise sales figures only goes a little to pay for their production fees which had to be allocated amongst their production team from the CEO to the directors and lastly their janitors.
Thanks for taking the time to cover this. It's been knowledge for a number of years now that working conditions as a animator in Japan, to oversimplify; I know there are companies that are exceptions, is horrible. And it feels criminal that it has continued for so long, especially given the popularity of anime/manga in recent years. I'm not sure what the community as a collective can do but i'm happy more channels are talking about it. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end.
The animators are doing a wonderful job. They are the true heroes. If i could buy each one of them a beer (or any other drink they'd prefered) i definitely would
Manabu ostuka: I will keep moving forward until I break 80% of animators
And live 20% to come back and break me
Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂
very well put video, as someone who's a fan of anime production and animation, its kinda nice seeing a more sensitized video about it that neutrally assesses the situation without immediately calling their viewers to start going on twitter guns blazing.
i think as the people who consumes anime content we really need to be critical of what we say online and ourselves before talking about the animation industry that we aren't even supposed to be a part of. this is turning too political than your average mappa anime quality debate, PA's are hiring teenagers, no union pay, and exploiting the business practices for profit. this is not a weeb's war. animators forcing their public twitter accounts as a portfolio SHOULDN'T BE A THING, thats where toxic teenagers go and ratio you for any slip up for clout. which is what's happening with these freelance animators.
Thank you for making this man
Yesss I was waiting for this video!
thanks for being patient with this vid drop🙇
This is a really important video I hope more people watch it
i feel real bad for them because surely nothing will change
I can’t believe they’re paying only 20$ dollars to people working on animating one of the very best and highly captivating Anime’s of all time.
Different Anime’s production should have different standards. These people should be getting their money’s worth for animating such a well-structured story. It’s absolutely criminal to let them work so tirelessly without giving the proper compensation.
This should be Illegal.
Do you have proof that you spoke directly to staff
With these lately released episodes by Mappa, I really don't mind if their anime are going to be aired once in 2 weeks
Do have my guesses on whom you interviewed, but I'll keep that to myself tho
Enjoyed the vid as always, keep them coming!
Yes animators need more respect I see everyday online fans criticize recent episodes for certain frames of animation and its just sad
They have a right to tho, the difference is in which attitude they are criticizing it on, whether oblivious to whats happening and or understanding why its flawed
@@semekiizuio 💀
@@semekiizuio Yes I agree but it tends to be people who are always nit picky about certain manga panels turned into frames while those are the fans I've seen at least
@@whyiaskmyself1619 yeah unfortunately those are the louder ones but its why I appreciate anime breakdowns from animators much more just because they explain it objectively from an animator stand point but subjectively they are v compassionate and understanding
@@semekiizuio Yes they are quite insightful aswell as helpful to understand what happens in behind the scenes of animation if you are getting into drawing or animating
great vid!
So for all i care, these answers could as well be made up since you don't even provide a pseudonym or how you actually "interviewed" them, but they do make a lot of sense to the current situation, so hey, props to you i guess!
Yeah, I dont support whatever the higher ups at MAPPA are doing but I dont understand how I'm supposed to believe that this is a real interview
It took me 23 hours to make 8 seconds of an animation with no shading and they have to make 20 minutes in a week?
Did you actually interview anyone? It seems like you're just regurgitating tweets... Seems misleading.
I was asking that question myself as well if he actually did interview anyone.
I'm having my doubts as well. Why not post screenshots of their responses but blur the names?
@@Caigga900 even then, its a bit iffy
This was amazing !
very nice ad transition
and then you got kyoani sitting on fully finished seasons of dragon maid s2, tsurune s2, and hibike s3 for half a year and the voice actors dubbing it over the completed footage
The pushing to do your best and learn from industry masters I believe is great, but doing so many late request hours one after another, getting no sleep or rest and taking on multiple projects at once is just too much. There has to be a balance of quality work with enough time to do so and less work taken aboard. And yeah the hiring process being that lax for such a massive productions is odd. Low pay at $20 an hour for this type of work too is insane.
I would not mind waiting even a month or more per episode of Jujutsu Kaisen. Longer even for the quality of work.
It's a fun surprise to see so much footage from Tampopo but it might be nice to credit the films you got footage from ^^
Shout out to the young animator that animated Todo's black flash and then got death threat by some weirdos. Keep it up young man, you will up there among Gs someday
Bro is the King Of Giving Too Much Work
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sounds like they need to hire well experienced animators to work as supervisors/trainers that help train the less experienced freelancers and send back the genga work faster/fix small animation errors. Eventually they could use these supervisors to hire some of them permanently because they would know who was the easiest to work/most motivated.
The problem is very clearly the working conditions, not the skill of the animators.
Can someone explain to me why don’t they finish animating the show like a year or so before airing it, then air it weekly when it’s fully done? I’m not fully knowledgeable about the work of animating a show so I’m just wondering why is there deadlines to put out episodes and animating at the same time.
Tbh, I think it matters on the company. Because there definitely are companies that first aim to finish the animations and then later air them. But then also the MAPPA animators usually aren’t working on one project at a time, but more so 2 to 3 projects (animated movies/series) which all require different deadlines and countless hours of work. But this is just a theory that I came up with so maybe there are other factors playing too.
@@blinkzeninyourarea8143 ah I see. that sounds like a really messy work environment if that's the case.
anyone that complains about the animation with knowing the MAPPA’s situation is heartless and they clearly have not seen a episode of Black Clover otherwise they would change their mind about the animation.
Truly exposed that not only MAPPA issues (which is far most) yet the entire work condition industry
Steep ask but I hope at some point in the future when they get to relax a bit we can get a reanimation of the Mahagora fight.
Gods this is wild. Keep up the good work, bud.
(But please dont be scared to try out new content)
This could be a stupid question but does anybody have a go to spot to find what animators work on each episode? I'd love to follow the artist themselves to show more support
Salute to MAPPA animators they did a very good job, the JJK Season 2 is so amazing!!!!
I feel very bad for them, as well as the fact that the whole of the Mappa is such a large company. But tbh we shouldn't/probably don't have to put their system down like this.
This is because Mappa, who works on multiple animes every week needs many workers, (High working or no rest). And if we were to shut down the work condition for them, which are not illegal nor anywhere close to being illegal, our animes and weekly enjoyment would just disappear. We do need to make sure to convince the Mappa system that it is indeed wrong, but without shutting them down.
i dont feel like i can immediately believe that you actually interviewed mappa animators but even if its all made up (which i also dont think) its still a very solid video
$20 per frame? damn, when I was drawing OP for TOEI it was $4.
hello. can you or do you have interviews or documentaries featuring anime bg artists? would love to know more about them
I may be late on this but isnt unionisation a first step for bargaining with employers ? Whether its eithin studio or a broader labour union in japan for artists ?
JJK: Domain Expansion
Mappa: Deadline Expansion
can we have the twitter or IG of the jjk animators you know ?
many of us think of prasing them but we forget
I'm glad I'm a sound designer so
$20 is nuts
They even protest with "destroying" mappa studio in one scene
From what film/video did you take aesthetic footages of Japan? Plz, share the name🙏
the fact that the animators of jjk are earning so little considering how fucking fantastic it looks?
vile. they are top class. pay them top class.
Mappa is the second highest paying studio though.
This is more of a scheduling issue.
I think the only way the anime production in japan could survive is by raising salaries and delaying deadlines a bit and that's won't happen if they only rely on Japanese audiences for money while majority of audience watch pirated anime ,japan must make a platform for them specific for anime and hire translators and make it affordable then their revenue would be way more insane than just japanese tv watchers
How can we make sure they get better conditions, should we not watch JJK or other mappa shows until they change something? Should we spam the head of mappa with emails pleading to change the conditions for the animators?
this is not our war. i know its difficult not being able to do anything but as long as mappa ceo is letting overproduction run rampant for no reason other than speedrunning studio reputation, it's not gonna stop.
tho if the animators open a ko-fi, which they should be doing, give em a donation
Whether you watch it or not won't affect the animators pay since the animation is already done. The bluray sales and merch maybe but not buying or supporting that would just lead to cancellation probably
is there anything we can do to support the animators? aside from thanking them directly from their work.
Why is there boiling point footage in the background 😭
Ik episode 18 was super hard to animate. That shit look crazy.
I'm curious if there is a way to get a fund to pay these animators a little more money for their hard work. Clearly they're not getting paid enough.
How long does it take to make a single Layout typically?
Is there an office where the freelancers work? Or is this mostly remote? Remote would be insane.
I have always wanted to give tegami bachi animators phrase, but what always happens is they have no social media, they do have social media but they ignore me or they just block me. 😢
Ganga work 1 week before the episode drops, that's some South Park turn over. crazy!
Moral of the interview …. Mappa is like working in a factory more than 8hrs 7 days a week job sucks but the people are awesome for the most part I feel the pain as a factory worker
Fuck capitalism for making every institution a factory.
At least they are not jumping of buildings anymore.
hope mappa animators can get better treatment soon
FYI defamation is illegal in Japan even if what you say is true so it will be very hard for them to get better working conditions
Animator here,well thats why id recommend the public to fund indie animation projects from animators in these industries, so that you directly pay the animators rather than the middle management folks or marketing team that eats up most of the budget. While the industry suffers because of poor upper management that usually disregards the health of their workers. The management jobs are better compared to the animation teams and director jobs at the end of the day. Any one joining an animation company would do better as a pa rather than as an animator, given animation is more labour extensive, and market doesn't reward labour itself. It rewards accessibility and the management & marketing does that most of the time. So i guess its about who brings in more money at the end of the day. Also agreed with people educating themselves about the real animators behind the cuts rather than praising the company, the company just made ot accessible and organised it, everything else was individual people who spend days in burnout to give you good stuff. :) Also keep at it fellow animators 💪.
3:04 aint no way bruh😂 lady moving mad☠️
nahhh that sponsor plug 💀💀
Guess we’re never getting chainsaw man s2
Whats the background Music called? 7:10
I hope they will pay more to their animators. This is sad.
Is there a chance for normal person like me addected on manga drawing aply a job at mappa?
wow
0:12 pretty sure that was clarified to not be related
It's such a shame that I know the anime could be done a lot better if the animators are given time. The quality of the drawing was such a mess. Tbh I didn't understand a single thing during the fight of mahoraga and Sukuna, but the concept was amazing. Although I want to support the animators, I still don't want to make Mappa thinks that people are praising the anime so it must be okay to continue the same workflow 😡
0:46 good intro
I would personally prefer anime released every 2 weeks instead of every 7 days. this way episodes are taken care of with more time and passion and the artists can relax more.
I prefer quality of quantity.
Did u keep in contact with KHORnime?
this just makes me feel sad...though i enjoyed the season 2 animation a lot, i always thought about how good everything was in season 1. they really are taking a toll on the animators health. like 1 week prior going live just feels like nonsense..
it sounds like your interviewing yourself ngl
Could you please tell the names of the movies you use as a background? I'm a huge movie buff and I've been wanting to get into Japanese cinema. The shots and sequences in this video were just incredible eye-candy and I'd love to see the full film :)
Hey I’m in exactly the same boat lol
If you’re still looking, I did an image search and I believe the clips are from a film called “Tampopo” by director Juzo Itami (at least some of the clips, idk if there are clips from other films)
Thank you so much for the info dude! :D@@myname9104
Why didn’t they just animate season 2 of jjk and then put out the teasers and trailers and then a release date and then send out the episodes weekly instead of animating a episode every week and causing these animators so much stress.!?!?