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The episode is not just 30% complete. If you want to make a "Mappa bad" clone video like this(that has already been made by a thousand others already) then at least dig down a little bit. This false info was discredited by a director. The term "not finished" doesn't mean the animation itself is not finished(though it isn't, in some sequences). It means the vision the directors had wasn't used because of time constraints. Sequences had to be cut out. And Vincent didn't say he'll "never work for mappa ever again". He made it clear he won't work under this kind of conditions. He may consider under good work environment.
As an animation major, I was not only angered, but depressed because people on Twitter were just dehumanizing the animators and treating them like crap while Mappa conducts legalized slave labor again and again. I have an acquaintance who went to the same college I went to and they worked on JJK and my god, their work was amazing but looking at it now, I HOPE they weren't treated like most of the animators were.
@@jacob_yakesh7304 Vercreek! They worked on Maki vs Miwa in Season 1 and on the op for Chainsaw man when Denji slides down the building while cutting it with his chainsaws
@@Mixalich27 Most of it is, yeah. Its like a few good shots followed by 10 terrible ones. You can tell they were cutting corners everywhere, the static landscapes were one of the worst aspects, looked like they just took a photograph and put an anime filter over.
When I saw that episode I thought "what a bold design decision, all of it is rough lines and simple colors, translates the raw power of their fight really well", but now I realize it's all mostly well composed roughs to hide the unfinishedness of it all. It's really heartbreaking.
It is heartbreaking. It is one of the most incredible fights in animation, and it was only 30% complete??? It is sad where corporate bad planning stops artists from achieving greatness. If it was completed to its full vision it would be talked and admired for decades to come.
Dude your so dumb , I saw right through the fast paced and Swift animation, the bad quality of the animation. Just look at Gojo vs Toji fight , everything is so detailed and you can see every move , every expression of their faces . But in sukuna vs mahoraga , they just animated any sh*t possible , sukuna cutting open entire Tokyo , the whole city burns down , we did not even get to know what mahoraga can do on its own .. when you boil things down to that level of vagueness because a character is powerful , it is very easy to animate anything anyhow to make up for the deadline . Just look at the animation, everything is smaller , colours are flaky and fading etc etc .
@Cypeq Can this lie stop already. No the episode was not 30% done. The animator that posted had to go back and say that's not actually what they meant and that it was closer to 30% of the intended vision. The episode was finished. It just could've looked better. If it was 30% done we would be seeing raw genga and multiple shots of nothing whatsoever.
I like how mappa artists released the half finished Mahoraga fight and then affirmed that it is indeed half finished so that their poor working conditions would become public. They basically said "We makin it out of the office with this one"
Even if MAPPA where to suddenly treat their animators fairly and reduce production, some other studio will take up the same path. The only way I can see this problem solved is by new worker laws from the japanese government. This isn't just a MAPPA issue, MAPPA is just a well known studio and therefore in bad press, but there are countless Japanese office companies with similar or worse work environment.
there are workers rights, but its the culture thats preventing any change. japan requires people to be paid for overtime, but people refuse pay because its the work place culture as well as the bosses will find it "disrespectful"
Yeah, this is true. They would need country-wide regulations for their industry, but this unhealthy work culture permeates pretty much ever facet and industry of Japan, so it is extremely unlikely anything will change. Thank you for watching!
imagine working on projects like jjk, aot and the biggest names in anime, but not being able to look back fondly, or be proud of your work because of the conditions you were working in
So basically, the production committee decides how much time a studio gets to animate a show, without any knowledge of what it takes to animate. Meanwhile the CEO of Mappa takes on these deals because he wants their studio to have a high quantity of quality productions, without any idea how long it actually takes to animate a season. And because the CEO accepts and delivers through crunch, the Production committee thinks the time they give to the studio is enough and shorten the production time again and again. The animators, who have passion, get more and more work pushed on to them in smaller timeframes, and have to crunch their way through it. And in the end they feel like failures, exhausted and lost of passion. "When the animator sticks out, it gets hydraulic pressed down"
Yeah, that's a pretty good summation of the vicious cycle! It stinks, but luckily there are some good studios out there creating tremendous work with very healthy working conditions, so it is possible to accomplish. I suppose that's the silver lining, haha. Anyways, thanks for watching!
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
i don't get how they were physically capable of producing so much high quality animation so quickly. you would expect more corner cutting with time restrictions like that. even the 30% complete episode of jjk was an absolute banger
I know!! I'm guessing they all just sacrificed their personal lives and had to grind their careers for a few years, but it is crazy they didn't cut corners and kept the quality consistent.
the director of that episode made it clear that the episode was actually closer to 90% complete, he meant that 30% of the episode's vision was complete meaning they could've gone more experimental with the fights and had better storyboarding/fight choreography had they had more time but the actual episode was basically complete.
Same! Although the director of Chainsaw Man just quit MAPPA to start his own animation studio, so the future of CM seems uncertain! And yes, the animators need a break, haha.
it won't be bad just mediocer animation like everything Mappa does; compare to Demon Slayer which has amazing animation because the studio mainly just works on Demon Slayer
What’s sad is that nobody gives a f. Consumers will keep on buying the projects, like the csm movie, and don’t care. It happened with solo leveling with the creating dying and with roxana with the artist losing her baby and people still buying the manhwa
I hope you know that you who have put this video together and uploaded it during another turbulent month for seasonal anime did wonders for the wider general audience who some are ignorant to the landscape of professional animation. In addition to that, I look forward to and hope that you'll be able to cover the following topics that you've mentioned throughout this video, such as: "how production committees work" and "the western side of the coin that is the animation industry." I like to think that keeping those two broader topics in mind will allow your viewers to not only be educated, but informed on the horizon of what the business and professional aspect of being an animator (of any medium) and how it affects them as employed workers and artists.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the content. And yes!! I mostly want to learn about those subjects myself, but I do enjoy sharing what I've learned with others who enjoy animation themselves. It's a medium that I'm happy so many people care about. Thank you for watching, and for your suggestions!
I'm just sad thinking that the only solution to that, should probably be a legal act from above done to regulate and protect animators and their right on their work... But sadly this seems so impossible to happen...
Yeah... Laws would probably be the best way to get this to stop long term, but these problems persist outside of just the animation industry. They seem to be ingrained in the work culture, so I also think that this probably won't happen anytime soon. Thank you for watching, my friend!
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
That's wild. If you can, it might be time to look for another job! If they don't value your health and time, why should you be expected to value theirs?
So what would it look like if t was 100% realised? Still a huge fraction from what was originally proposed. But that doesn't negate the god awful conditions and pay. They need to unionise.
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked This was a team comprised of 60+ top-of-the-industry key animators with 2 of the most ambitious action directors at the helm 100% realization was likely never going to happen even under good circumstances like even what I'd argue to be the most polished episode of Shibuya ep 16 and had the best schedule out of the high priority action episodes had ideas that didn't make it in like you could see in sou Miyazaki concept layout because they were too ambitious. I think attaching the 30% number to completion widely misrepresents Roccia's point and could give viewers the wrong impression. This doesn't excuse any of the circumstances, but if he wanted to attach a number to completion, 70-80% probably would have been more accurate as there are unfinished cuts, continuity issues, and in-betweening errors throughout this episode due to its schedule.
I understand your sentiments, but I don't think it's completely wrong. First, in a creative endeavor, I don't see how "completion" vs. "artistic vision" are not synonymous. Second, to your point about ambitious directors... If the staff had infinite time, sure maybe they could achieve 100%, which would be nuts. What we ended up getting was also nuts. I loved it, but the animation is _very_ rough. Not to the point of it "not being entirely what we hoped to achieve" but to the point that there are severe artistic and technical issues present throughout the entire sequence. There are an enormous amount of composition errors for a studio this renowned, to the point where many segments look like rough animatic placeholders. That's not any shade to the animators, it's just the results of the crunch. I am curious to know why so many people take offense at the 30% remark... Is it because he tried to quantify it? And the number is just too low of an estimate? I can understand that, but his sentiments (at least to me) seemed to be that the majority of what they tried to accomplish did not come to fruition in this episode, which seems plenty accurate to me.
@@DrewMalou Not to mention the director would clearly know how much of the planned episode they achieved. If that’s what the director himself is saying, who are we armchair experts to question him over it?
Attack on titan and Jujutsu kaisen had different teams working on them (AoT had Hayashi team and JJK Seshimo team) so their schedules and staff didn't overlap, except with some freelance animators like Vercreek who worked on both for few cuts of animation. JJK didn't have tighter schedule because of AoT or vise versa, it's because Hayashi's team had just finished Dorohedoro and as a result their time on S4P1 was limited and Seshimo team was busy with God of highschool before moving onto JJK.
Glad to see someone mention this. While I'm happy to see that many people want to speak up and educate people on the situation, I have yet to see a video that actually comprehends the inner workings of the industry.
@@oskarbergene1733 Probably Pretentious and Manko Man are the best anime youtubers when it comes to production breakdown and animation analysis. their knowledge about the industry is insane
Thanks for clarifying! The sources I found didn't break this down completely, so that was a bit of an oversight on my part. If I may ask, how did you learn what team is producing which show and when? I did my best to search for this info, but couldn't find anything of much substance. Is it just who you follow on twitter and translating all of the show's credits?
Quitting isn’t the solution: striking IS. The studio won’t be able to hire fresh-faced new recruits as scabs if they have to get them past a picket line (though I’m not an expert on Japanese labour law). If animators don’t unionize there’s no way this situation will ever change just out of the goodwill of the managements’ hearts
From what I understand, the animation industry relies heavily upon freelance artists, so unionizing becomes almost impossible. Market forces might be the only thing that can stop the abuse. Consumers getting educated and making the conscious decisions to not purchase this company's product. The problem with that strategy is that it's difficult to get viewers to care, and if you can succeed, you inevitably hurt the animators with that course of action...
Organizing a strike of thousands of animators from multiple different countries. Many of which are freelancers living paycheck to paycheck would be hard.
The animators for the JJK/CSM team are mostly freelancers so AoT and JJK under production at the same time didn’t negatively affect AoT, which was done with in house animators. Also S2 ep.17 wasn’t 30% done. The staff said that their vision for the episode was 30% done. The actual production for the episode is closer to 70-80% done (my personal guess but it’s still bad). If the vision for the episode was 100% done then the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight would’ve been much more crazier and insane since there are so many creative minds that worked on this.
The vid being 10:01 I thought it would be full of time-wasting stretch and empty information but it was very good, concise and well thought out for us to follow ; I see respect in your work fella I wish you the best.
Haha, well thank you! I personally hate fluff and filler, so I try to be as concise as possible, and I'm glad you felt that. Thank you for the well wishes, and for watching!
It's even more depressing with the fact that there is A COUPLE GROUP of people that either don't care about this problem or even outright support this kind of behavior just because "the anime looks good"
Thank you for this nice little breakdown. I don't really care that it's "late" in terms of internet time. I heard of all the commotion when it was happening but couldn't figure out a straight answer. This video explained it very well for me and brought me up to speed thank you for that
That's awesome!! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And yeah, finding out clear and correct information is pretty tough. Even some of the sources I quoted got some things wrong, lol. Thank you for watching!
Thanks for a very informative, Drew, and sorry for my delay in watching it! 😅 I'd heard bits and pieces about the MAPPA situation, but getting the full scope of it (or at least what's been publicized thus far) makes me even more sad that MAPPA enforces these impossible deadlines and expects incredible results. I don't quite understand how companies can treat their own employees in such a callous way. I mean, setting aside the human aspect of it, wouldn't it just make more sense to treat your staff fairly to get better results? I guess it's just what you said, that MAPPA doesn't care if their animators quit since there'll always be younger animators looking to get their foot in the door at any cost, but it's still such a warped way of running a business. Anyway, thanks again, Drew, and I hope all is well, my friend!
Thanks for watching, Henry, and no worries! Yeah, you would think that making your workers happy and treating them well would boost productivity, but apparently not. It's such a crazy scenario, I still can't quite believe it really happened.
One of the greatest video productions ever made on the anime and animation/writing situation going on in the world at the moment. You are doing God's work. Thank you and you are doing great.
Yes! The articles I cited hadn't mentioned that, but I learned a lot from people like you letting me know! Still an insane amount of work done, even with separate animation teams!
The animators at MAPPA are probably some of the best in the industry right now. The JJK movie is absolutely stunning visually, and the fact that they made that film in just 4 months is beyond impressive. If they weren't working under such harsh conditions, the end product for all these projects would probably earn Oscars or something because what they managed to put together with such harsh time constraints (and I am mainly speaking towards JJK here) is still so incredibly jaw-dropping. Someone give these animators a raise and time off. Because, inevitably, if the current pace keeps up, the quality will start dipping, and then no one will be happy. But as it stands now, God bless them. They're putting out some amazing work, and I hope they know that we, as fans, appreciate the agony they went through to meet those deadlines. Give them an all expenses paid trip to Malaysia or something.
The idea that a committee should arbitrarily set by a "deadline" before even contracting a studio to see what is available and/or possible is ridiculous. It would be like saying "this patient will be treated in 2 hours", before going to check what the disease even is.
Haha, well, from what I understand, they have a pretty good notion as to how long shows take to produce. There are industry standards that have been established. It's like if you got cancer, depending on the type and severity, your treatments and options are pretty well mapped out at this point. It's just certain studios take on more shows than they should, and that brings on the crunch.
Dang, sorry I missed this comment, but yes! I made a video about what they added to that fight if you haven't seen it already: th-cam.com/video/f-1ZH2AHQ8c/w-d-xo.html
I always feel so powerless in these situations. Isn't there anything we can do for the animators? I love the shows but knowing people suffer because of it makes it morally a bit more difficult to watch
I agree! Unfortunately, there isn't a great way to support the animators without supporting the studio. If we boycotted MAPPA the animators could lose their jobs, so there's not a great way for us to help, unfortunately.
All of this has kind of soured the taste of Anime for me. I don't even really want to watch new shows and I only really do because my wife still likes them. The spectacle and what the medium has come to represent is just insane and unsustainable. The Sukuna vs mahoraga fight, while spectacular and beautiful, isn't worth the exploitation that it takes to make. Anime is headed towards a medium where every weekly episode has to have the production values of a blockbuster film, and I just don't need that or want that.
Yeah, it's really sad to see. We have something similar in the West, where if live action shows don't have feature film grade special effects, it's written off as cheesy and lame. This unfortunately means that only large studios can afford to make large scale shows and films, and so the creativity gets stifled somewhat. Animation is crazy expensive to produce, so only larger studios can keep making it (especially at this quality) and you just end up in this vicious cycle. It's unfortunate, but I thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Its not worth making them suffer and all, but damn gotta give them credit. Those are S tier animations. Never seen such good animations, and so consistently
If you look at the dates for JJK seasons (including season 3) from beginning it’s honestly insane JJK S2 came out only a year after S1 with a crunch and they managed to achieve noticeably impressive animation like even in the first episode I noticed the huge difference in production it felt like a movie but with all that happened it caused the next season to come out mid to late 2025 which is 3 years after S2 even ended which is crazy we could’ve already gotten S3 a better mahoraga fight and so much more if they just didn’t crunch so hard I hope they change CEO’s and only work on maximum 2 shows at the same time
Yeah, that would be awesome if they did that! And yes, their schedule was insane. I'm honestly impressed they didn't have more issues than they did with a workload like that!
It really speaks towards the talents of the animators when they can take something that is not even half complete and STILL make it look that damn good.
I remember news outlets that jjk season 2 was gonna be canceled but I mention alot that MAPPA can just hire new people. The cycle will continue but I wish one day MAPPA can have a change of heart and break that cycle
Me too! And even if all of the animators were to quit, I think MAPPA is so big now, that they could just get an all new staff and continue the cycle. It's sad, but thank you for watching!
As a fellow 2D animator and huge fan of their work, the animators at Mappa deserve: ⬆️higher wages⬆️ and ⬅️longer deadlines ➡️ Here's hoping they get the work life balance they deserve ❤
Getting longer deadlines consistently requires studios to have a lot of money to fund their own project and take risks like MAPPA and Ufotable but not every studio is willing enough to do that. But that also poses a problem that if the production time is too long it will cost too much and plummet in potential profits due to the interest in said show lowering
On the plus side, being a premier anime studio with a lot of work they should in theory be able to afford to hire more people now to help resolve some of these issues now. Don't know how that's gonna work out with all the bad press though
True, but keep in mind, that's going to eat into the company's profit margins. Not sure the upper management would be okay with that, so the cycle is likely to continue. 💀💀💀 I sincerely hope that things do improve, though! Thank you for watching!
as an artist and animator it breaks my heart to see people getting treated like this. these are some of the greatest artists, animators, background artists, etc working on these shows. on the planet. of our generation. and they're treated like garbage. i can't even put into words how much work and time it takes to get even half as good as these people in terms of technical artistic skills. it's awful
Yeah, it truly is the worst kind of situation. On the one hand, I'm so happy that they are producing such legendary animation sequences for us, but on the other, no one deserves to get treated like this.
its disgusting how the CEO lets this happen to MAPPA. he ought to be taken down. and its also disheartening to see the animators let themselves get treated like this.
Yes, but one thing I didn't touch on, is that this is pretty common practice in Japanese work culture. It is often viewed as dishonorable to leave the studio to find better work conditions, because you leave them in a bad position without you. It's a difficult problem to solve, and isn't really the fault of the animators.
With the recents strikes like sag-aftra and UAW having mostly success, I hope some animators in japan saw those and gain enough courage (not to mention how much harder it is to pull of in a country that heavily leans into collectivism) to take action for the better
I don't entirely know... but I'm pretty sure if you reach a settlement instead of going to court and you take a cash payment in order for your silence on a particular subject (even if that subject were illegal), you can get sued if you speak about it. But it has to be voluntary, you can't force someone to sign one.
Not to add to the depressing subject, but I’m a 3D artist and VFX artist and have worked in animation, games, and live-action films. I’m absolutely shot and I’ve only been in the industry for a few years. Art and artists will always seem to be dispensable to corps, at least from what i see. But, another great issue is the changing of technology. EVERYDAY I make something in a particular software or whatever, it becomes obsolete the NEXT DAY. I can’t keep up with the demand of ‘the best’ and ‘most modern’ tech. There’s only so much we can learn and produce, under deadlines. I no longer wish to work in this industry and am actively looking for a job in any other industry. These past few years did it in for me, id rather be happy doing something mundane then depressed doing something i love. Nothing but absolute respect for anime animators and animators of all kinds. That JJK episode was 30% done?!? My a$$, it looked and felt like nothing ive ever seen. It was a complete piece of cinema to me…❤
Man, that's so rough to hear. Much respect to you for looking to get out of the grind! It does seem like artists are expendable these days, which is a horrible thing to say. Thanks for watching!
When I first saw the episode It was a bit different and kind of disappointing but when I know the hardwork of the animators then I must say that whatever they made was amazing in such a short time 🫡
So ..things like this happenning in animation and games vs what happens in more unionized industries ....yeah ...theres a pretty stark reminder that collective action works.
I started to dig into why there are no animation unions, and it's a pretty difficult industry to unionize. One of the biggest reasons is because so many artists work as freelancers, instead of full time salaried employees! I want to do a longer video in the future about this, but I'm not sure when I'll get to it, haha.
True. It's hard not supporting MAPPA though, because you want to show appreciation to the animators, but then you end up supporting upper management as well, which created these conditions. It's a tough problem. Anyways, thanks for watching!
That's what I'm thinking! But Japanese culture is also pretty hard and strict like this, so unfortunately, it's really not that far outside of the norm in Japan.
Both yes and no. People who are capable of paying for streaming services still dont and brag about illegal streaming are responsible. However anime worldwide streaming still isnt legally accessible for every country and then streaming platforms getting exlusive rights to certain anime not everyone can pay for every streaming service just to get access to every anime. And then to add on to that how netflix refuses to release episode by episode and in bulk releases, plus the quality of fansub often time beats out the quality of official subs. There is a responsiblity of anime fans too though i agree however its more complicated than that.
@@fakelove1532 first off, netflix is streaming Dungeon Meshi right now, and it's being released weekly. Second, it's not views, but merch and blu-ray releases that truly feed those studios.
@@Владислав-ы9м5уoh im well aware about blu rays and dvds feeding a lot of the income made. However there is an acknowledgement to be made about how there IS a switch from dvds to streaming services for people watching shows. And this is now a new form of income for anime studios. Plus dvd and blu rays to my awareness has mostly always have been only easily accessible to the japanese general public not worldwide and they have been the ones carrying the brunt of the dvd sales all this time Also do you know if netflix has heard the complaints and fixed this for EVERY anime they liscence or is it only for select anime that they release weekly?
Btw something you got completely wrong was that AoT and JJK have completely different pipeline meaning different teams are in charge of different series, the actual series that cut into JJK season one production was God of high school which was still airing while JJK was under production aside from that you got it right
Yeah, that was an oversight on my part. The article I sourced made it seem like AoT compounded the issue across the entire studio. Thanks for clearing that up!
@@DrewMalou yeah I don’t blame you most people don’t even know half of the info you explained in the video so getting the show that hinder the seshimo pipeline isn’t that big of a deal especially when the rest was spot on
Haha, yeah. I knew that studios usually have multiple teams working on different shows, but was just under the impression that AoT and JJK were the same team. Where do you find out which animation team works on which project? Is there a website that compiles all of that? Or is it just following the directors and studios on social media?
@@DrewMalou I read sakuga blog which is a site connected to sakugabooru which is where users archive animators work and compile them, but sakuga blog has reported on the production of many anime by interviews the anime staff give in Japanese media and publish production notes for series giving the basic run down, but now it is a mix of reading and also following animators and people in the industry on twitter or other Japanese social media
Got you! Thanks for the info. I love Sakugabooru, but I haven't checked out their blog, so I'll do that. And using Japanese social media is a fantastic idea! Haha. Thanks again!
It really sucks knowing this. I obviously love the work they've done but this isn't how things should be. People don't know the work and effort animators put into a single episode. Hell I don't, it takes me an hour to perfect my lil doodles I make during college. I think people need more patience. Our favorite mangas being made into shows could be so much more if workers were given the time they needed. The animator's who work on the shows deserve the time they need to avoid burnout and inevitably striking against the company. P.S after seeing the end I might check that out. I've had a deep down wish to be able to animate the lil fight scenes that appear in my head when I listen to music. My stick nodes app cannot handle all the frames I put into it and often crash lmao
@@DrewMalou Honestly, fans and companies should have the patience to wait out the time needed to produce the animation. The people demanding the product have an entire life to wait for an animation and still bitch when it comes out rushed
Mappa has the chance to be to the 2020s what Studio Bones was for the 2000s/2010s. A studio adapting several popular mangas at a high value that get remembered for years and setting new standards for shonen works. So it's a true shame that this situation overshadows this opportunity
I too realized all the projects Mappa took on, im still waiting on one-punch man to get their next season, but they started to develop the quantity over quality mindset. They standout for the wrong reasons, I couldn't understand the choreography in the thunder clap episode, and overall enjoyed the manga better. They're under so much pressure, I just hope it gets better for them
You know, I hadn't considered comparing the manga to the anime for this fight. That would be really interesting to see how the adaptation differs. And I too hope that the work culture gets better at MAPPA as well! Thank you for watching!
Well, apparently it was "30% of the artistic vision" that was completed, but that guy also deleted that tweet. So, most people were guestimating that the episode was 75-85% complete.... But anyways, I still think it's an insane accomplishment for those animators. Thank you for watching!
Yeah NGL I could def tell it was a bit incomplete than the others with some scenes of mahoraga being lower detailed and one scene had only circles of mahoragas lower chest
Yeah, me too. It was sad to see, but I still got insanely hyped! Even if it wasn't fully complete, it still blew me away, which is insane in my opinion, haha. Thank you for watching!
MAPPA has one punch man, JJK, chiansaw man, Hells paradise and ten of more. They have all banger in one studio. And don't forget Attack on titan that finished just recently, man they really did shit with that anime.
Id maddening that its pretty much the same as it was 30 years ago. Poor pay and benifits for outstanding work. Working people death and even not paying respect. Its not that hard for a company to pitch a realistic schedule and support their staff. WE CAN WAIT!
If big gaming studios like Rockstar games have to quit the crunch culture then who the hell is mappa..... And we all know that how big is gaming industry and gaming studios are in comparison of anime industry and it's studios Sooner or later Mappa studios and other anime studios that practice crunch culture have to quit it.
Yeah, the original tweet said "30% of the artistic vision" was completed, and then he deleted it. It is clear that the fight was rushed and unfinished, though the 30% estimate was pretty low. It was probably more like 70% - 80% complete.
Sorry I missed this!! But yes, I was so glad that they were going to do that! I definitely think it needed it, and as it turns out, I did a video about all of the changes that they made! Haha. If you're interested, you can watch it here: th-cam.com/video/f-1ZH2AHQ8c/w-d-xo.html
jujutsu kaizen and attack on titan are produced by completely different teams with very little staff overlap. also its implied that jjk 0 was produced in 4 months. there is no official evidence that that's the case. also the person that said it was 30% complete deleted his tweet.
That is good to know! The source that I found talked about the JJK and CM overlap, and only mentioned that MAPPA picking up AoT S4 was the catalyst that started this domino-effect of crunch, so that's an oversight by me. However, there is a tweet by Sota Shigetsu stating that he completed the JJK0 movie in 4 months. twitter.com/Hone_honeHONE/status/1723402102884773930 As to the guy who deleted his tweet, that doesn't mean it isn't true, lol. As I stated, they had their staff sign NDA's, so this could have been seen to be defamation on his part, which could be why he deleted it. I can definitely tell the episode is far less refined than others, so I'm not sure why this statement is so controversial. Is it because he tried to quantify it, and his figure was too low? I don't really understand, but if I'm missing something, please let me know!
Your videos are too high quality for them to be from someone with only 25k subs, incredible editing and voice over as well! Btw it'll be great if you can check out the animation from Fog Hill of Five Elements, its criminally underrated.
Thank you so much, that's very kind of you! 💖 And yes, I haven't seen it yet, but I have heard some amazing things! Chinese animation has been popping off recently! Thanks for the kind words, and the suggestion!
Hahaha, it's definitely different stylistically, and while it isn't completely finished, I do still like the raw, frenetic energy that it gives the scene. Anyways, thanks for watching!
YES!! That seems to be a great way to do it, the only problem is if that one project tanks and isn't commercially successful, the whole studio might get shut down, which is crazy. 😵💀
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The episode is not just 30% complete. If you want to make a "Mappa bad" clone video like this(that has already been made by a thousand others already) then at least dig down a little bit. This false info was discredited by a director.
The term "not finished" doesn't mean the animation itself is not finished(though it isn't, in some sequences). It means the vision the directors had wasn't used because of time constraints. Sequences had to be cut out.
And Vincent didn't say he'll "never work for mappa ever again". He made it clear he won't work under this kind of conditions. He may consider under good work environment.
As an animation major, I was not only angered, but depressed because people on Twitter were just dehumanizing the animators and treating them like crap while Mappa conducts legalized slave labor again and again. I have an acquaintance who went to the same college I went to and they worked on JJK and my god, their work was amazing but looking at it now, I HOPE they weren't treated like most of the animators were.
Would you mind telling me that animators name/nickname on social madia. Or perhaps the cut(s) they worked on. I'd love to see some of their work.
@@jacob_yakesh7304 Vercreek! They worked on Maki vs Miwa in Season 1 and on the op for Chainsaw man when Denji slides down the building while cutting it with his chainsaws
@@elistrationsYOOO that's crazy! I've been following Vercreek for months now. They are an incredible animator. Really love their work.
“As an animation major”
>no work on their channel
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
Bro literally has a video named "art progression"-, you're capping homeboy @@MachiriReviews
The “30% of the vision” tweet def did not mean “the episode was 30% done” but instead “we were not able to do 70% of the things we wanted to do”
True!
it still looks like this. The animation is just terrible
@@Mixalich27 Most of it is, yeah. Its like a few good shots followed by 10 terrible ones. You can tell they were cutting corners everywhere, the static landscapes were one of the worst aspects, looked like they just took a photograph and put an anime filter over.
Which anime @@CODA96
@@Market_flyers Jujutsu Kaisen?
When I saw that episode I thought "what a bold design decision, all of it is rough lines and simple colors, translates the raw power of their fight really well", but now I realize it's all mostly well composed roughs to hide the unfinishedness of it all. It's really heartbreaking.
I will still keep that thought as head canon
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It is heartbreaking. It is one of the most incredible fights in animation, and it was only 30% complete??? It is sad where corporate bad planning stops artists from achieving greatness. If it was completed to its full vision it would be talked and admired for decades to come.
Dude your so dumb , I saw right through the fast paced and Swift animation, the bad quality of the animation. Just look at Gojo vs Toji fight , everything is so detailed and you can see every move , every expression of their faces .
But in sukuna vs mahoraga , they just animated any sh*t possible , sukuna cutting open entire Tokyo , the whole city burns down , we did not even get to know what mahoraga can do on its own .. when you boil things down to that level of vagueness because a character is powerful , it is very easy to animate anything anyhow to make up for the deadline .
Just look at the animation, everything is smaller , colours are flaky and fading etc etc .
@Cypeq Can this lie stop already. No the episode was not 30% done. The animator that posted had to go back and say that's not actually what they meant and that it was closer to 30% of the intended vision. The episode was finished. It just could've looked better. If it was 30% done we would be seeing raw genga and multiple shots of nothing whatsoever.
I like how mappa artists released the half finished Mahoraga fight and then affirmed that it is indeed half finished so that their poor working conditions would become public. They basically said "We makin it out of the office with this one"
Hahaha, for real! 😂 I sincerely hope they actually will one day make it out of the office, lol. Thanks for watching!
Even if MAPPA where to suddenly treat their animators fairly and reduce production, some other studio will take up the same path. The only way I can see this problem solved is by new worker laws from the japanese government. This isn't just a MAPPA issue, MAPPA is just a well known studio and therefore in bad press, but there are countless Japanese office companies with similar or worse work environment.
there are workers rights, but its the culture thats preventing any change. japan requires people to be paid for overtime, but people refuse pay because its the work place culture as well as the bosses will find it "disrespectful"
Yeah, this is true. They would need country-wide regulations for their industry, but this unhealthy work culture permeates pretty much ever facet and industry of Japan, so it is extremely unlikely anything will change. Thank you for watching!
I didn't know that, but somehow I'm not surprised. That's wild!
their culture of workholism is the real issue.
You can start that change by first pressuring MAPPA to change though. They don't deserve leniency on this.
lets not forget, this whole time the CSM Reze arc was in production after the drop of the first season
That's true!! I forgot to add that part. Thanks for watching!
imagine working on projects like jjk, aot and the biggest names in anime, but not being able to look back fondly, or be proud of your work because of the conditions you were working in
I know! That's so heartbreaking. 😭
So basically, the production committee decides how much time a studio gets to animate a show, without any knowledge of what it takes to animate. Meanwhile the CEO of Mappa takes on these deals because he wants their studio to have a high quantity of quality productions, without any idea how long it actually takes to animate a season.
And because the CEO accepts and delivers through crunch, the Production committee thinks the time they give to the studio is enough and shorten the production time again and again.
The animators, who have passion, get more and more work pushed on to them in smaller timeframes, and have to crunch their way through it. And in the end they feel like failures, exhausted and lost of passion.
"When the animator sticks out, it gets hydraulic pressed down"
Yeah, that's a pretty good summation of the vicious cycle! It stinks, but luckily there are some good studios out there creating tremendous work with very healthy working conditions, so it is possible to accomplish. I suppose that's the silver lining, haha. Anyways, thanks for watching!
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
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LOOOOL I laughed way too hard at this comment! 😂 Thanks for watching!
Nah….. 💀
Actually lets see David Production HQ after they animated all the horses in Steel Ball Run!
@@CODA96if they actually plan to work on steel ball run
@@staanapb Bro this studio only does JoJo
i don't get how they were physically capable of producing so much high quality animation so quickly. you would expect more corner cutting with time restrictions like that. even the 30% complete episode of jjk was an absolute banger
I know!! I'm guessing they all just sacrificed their personal lives and had to grind their careers for a few years, but it is crazy they didn't cut corners and kept the quality consistent.
the director of that episode made it clear that the episode was actually closer to 90% complete, he meant that 30% of the episode's vision was complete meaning they could've gone more experimental with the fights and had better storyboarding/fight choreography had they had more time but the actual episode was basically complete.
They’re just that good.
But those precious gems shouldn’t be abused.
A message for Mappa: Mappa, let the animators rest as long as they need. We are fine waiting any amount of time.
They don't really care about the fans, they just want their money, fast
@@CT-cl9wi if no one is able to animate anymore they will also lose
@@lesensdelavie1185I'm not talking about the animators, I'm talking about their ceo, the ones that don't need to do the hard work
Bro... Mappa aint going to read this lmao. Send that shit to them in Japanese.
@@dess3597 i put it for someone who can send it to mappa
Man I hope chainsaw man movie and season 2 won’t get poorly adapted. I hope the situation will improve. Bless these animators.
Same! Although the director of Chainsaw Man just quit MAPPA to start his own animation studio, so the future of CM seems uncertain! And yes, the animators need a break, haha.
@@DrewMalou That has not been confirmed last time i checked. It was a theory if we go by the biggest article publishing this story..
it won't be bad just mediocer animation like everything Mappa does; compare to Demon Slayer which has amazing animation because the studio mainly just works on Demon Slayer
Demon slayer has a lot of shitty moments esp S3 and CSM looks much better just from character animation itself@@cottoncandykawaii2673
this is the 10th time the MAPPA situation is "worse than we thought". we've been having this discussion throughout the entirety of JJK Season 2
True, but this is worse than any of us thought until it will be worse than any of us could have ever previously thought.
Great video man! I really hope these people find better positions in companies that respect their work and the individual.
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it, and yes, I hope so too, for their sakes!
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I laughed way too hard at this! 😂😂😂
God 😂😂
What’s sad is that nobody gives a f. Consumers will keep on buying the projects, like the csm movie, and don’t care. It happened with solo leveling with the creating dying and with roxana with the artist losing her baby and people still buying the manhwa
Oh dang, I hadn't heard about that! That's crazy.
roxana ones was heartbreaking 😭😭
I hope you know that you who have put this video together and uploaded it during another turbulent month for seasonal anime did wonders for the wider general audience who some are ignorant to the landscape of professional animation.
In addition to that, I look forward to and hope that you'll be able to cover the following topics that you've mentioned throughout this video, such as: "how production committees work" and "the western side of the coin that is the animation industry."
I like to think that keeping those two broader topics in mind will allow your viewers to not only be educated, but informed on the horizon of what the business and professional aspect of being an animator (of any medium) and how it affects them as employed workers and artists.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the content. And yes!! I mostly want to learn about those subjects myself, but I do enjoy sharing what I've learned with others who enjoy animation themselves. It's a medium that I'm happy so many people care about. Thank you for watching, and for your suggestions!
I'm just sad thinking that the only solution to that, should probably be a legal act from above done to regulate and protect animators and their right on their work... But sadly this seems so impossible to happen...
Yeah... Laws would probably be the best way to get this to stop long term, but these problems persist outside of just the animation industry. They seem to be ingrained in the work culture, so I also think that this probably won't happen anytime soon. Thank you for watching, my friend!
@@DrewMalou great video as always... so always a pleasure to watch💪🏻
This is the sad reality everywhere. I work in retail and they halved our employees per shift, expecting us to get the same amount of work, if not more, done before this change was enacted. Sadly, we worked to meet expectations and now this exception has become the norm. If we were able to meet expectations once, we are now expected to keep this quota again and again.
Thanks for watching, as always my friend! 🙏
That's wild. If you can, it might be time to look for another job! If they don't value your health and time, why should you be expected to value theirs?
You know that the "30% complete"" is completely wrong right? what was said was that only 30% of the ARTISTIC VISION was fully realized.
So what would it look like if t was 100% realised? Still a huge fraction from what was originally proposed. But that doesn't negate the god awful conditions and pay. They need to unionise.
@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked This was a team comprised of 60+ top-of-the-industry key animators with 2 of the most ambitious action directors at the helm 100% realization was likely never going to happen even under good circumstances like even what I'd argue to be the most polished episode of Shibuya ep 16 and had the best schedule out of the high priority action episodes had ideas that didn't make it in like you could see in sou Miyazaki concept layout because they were too ambitious. I think attaching the 30% number to completion widely misrepresents Roccia's point and could give viewers the wrong impression. This doesn't excuse any of the circumstances, but if he wanted to attach a number to completion, 70-80% probably would have been more accurate as there are unfinished cuts, continuity issues, and in-betweening errors throughout this episode due to its schedule.
I understand your sentiments, but I don't think it's completely wrong. First, in a creative endeavor, I don't see how "completion" vs. "artistic vision" are not synonymous. Second, to your point about ambitious directors... If the staff had infinite time, sure maybe they could achieve 100%, which would be nuts. What we ended up getting was also nuts. I loved it, but the animation is _very_ rough. Not to the point of it "not being entirely what we hoped to achieve" but to the point that there are severe artistic and technical issues present throughout the entire sequence. There are an enormous amount of composition errors for a studio this renowned, to the point where many segments look like rough animatic placeholders. That's not any shade to the animators, it's just the results of the crunch.
I am curious to know why so many people take offense at the 30% remark... Is it because he tried to quantify it? And the number is just too low of an estimate? I can understand that, but his sentiments (at least to me) seemed to be that the majority of what they tried to accomplish did not come to fruition in this episode, which seems plenty accurate to me.
@@DrewMalou Not to mention the director would clearly know how much of the planned episode they achieved. If that’s what the director himself is saying, who are we armchair experts to question him over it?
Spreading misinformation for views, sigh
Attack on titan and Jujutsu kaisen had different teams working on them (AoT had Hayashi team and JJK Seshimo team) so their schedules and staff didn't overlap, except with some freelance animators like Vercreek who worked on both for few cuts of animation.
JJK didn't have tighter schedule because of AoT or vise versa, it's because Hayashi's team had just finished Dorohedoro and as a result their time on S4P1 was limited and Seshimo team was busy with God of highschool before moving onto JJK.
Glad to see someone mention this. While I'm happy to see that many people want to speak up and educate people on the situation, I have yet to see a video that actually comprehends the inner workings of the industry.
@@oskarbergene1733 Probably Pretentious and Manko Man are the best anime youtubers when it comes to production breakdown and animation analysis. their knowledge about the industry is insane
Thanks for clarifying! The sources I found didn't break this down completely, so that was a bit of an oversight on my part. If I may ask, how did you learn what team is producing which show and when? I did my best to search for this info, but couldn't find anything of much substance. Is it just who you follow on twitter and translating all of the show's credits?
Sounds like it's time for you to make a video! 👀 I would totally watch it!
Thank you for the references! I'm off to go study and research, lol. 🔎
Quitting isn’t the solution: striking IS. The studio won’t be able to hire fresh-faced new recruits as scabs if they have to get them past a picket line (though I’m not an expert on Japanese labour law). If animators don’t unionize there’s no way this situation will ever change just out of the goodwill of the managements’ hearts
From what I understand, the animation industry relies heavily upon freelance artists, so unionizing becomes almost impossible. Market forces might be the only thing that can stop the abuse. Consumers getting educated and making the conscious decisions to not purchase this company's product. The problem with that strategy is that it's difficult to get viewers to care, and if you can succeed, you inevitably hurt the animators with that course of action...
Organizing a strike of thousands of animators from multiple different countries. Many of which are freelancers living paycheck to paycheck would be hard.
The animators for the JJK/CSM team are mostly freelancers so AoT and JJK under production at the same time didn’t negatively affect AoT, which was done with in house animators.
Also S2 ep.17 wasn’t 30% done. The staff said that their vision for the episode was 30% done. The actual production for the episode is closer to 70-80% done (my personal guess but it’s still bad). If the vision for the episode was 100% done then the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight would’ve been much more crazier and insane since there are so many creative minds that worked on this.
Yes! Good clarifications.
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THE TRUE FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE 😭 lol
Thanks for this amazing breakdown! I hope that animators at MAPPA can find a new place to work.
You're very welcome! Thank you for watching. And yeah, at the very least, I hope they can take some time off and get to go see their families, lol.
Another well put together video. Great work
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
The vid being 10:01 I thought it would be full of time-wasting stretch and empty information but it was very good, concise and well thought out for us to follow ; I see respect in your work fella I wish you the best.
Haha, well thank you! I personally hate fluff and filler, so I try to be as concise as possible, and I'm glad you felt that. Thank you for the well wishes, and for watching!
It's even more depressing with the fact that there is A COUPLE GROUP of people that either don't care about this problem or even outright support this kind of behavior just because "the anime looks good"
Yeah, that is pretty messed up. 😬 Thank you for watching!
Thank you for this nice little breakdown. I don't really care that it's "late" in terms of internet time. I heard of all the commotion when it was happening but couldn't figure out a straight answer. This video explained it very well for me and brought me up to speed thank you for that
That's awesome!! I'm glad you enjoyed it. And yeah, finding out clear and correct information is pretty tough. Even some of the sources I quoted got some things wrong, lol. Thank you for watching!
Jjk zero was done in 4 months??? 🤯 damn thats insane that quality was magnificent 💥💯🔥
Its a shame we didnt get see the full potential of season 2
I know! It blows my mind. JJK0 was crazy good quality-wise. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for a very informative, Drew, and sorry for my delay in watching it! 😅
I'd heard bits and pieces about the MAPPA situation, but getting the full scope of it (or at least what's been publicized thus far) makes me even more sad that MAPPA enforces these impossible deadlines and expects incredible results. I don't quite understand how companies can treat their own employees in such a callous way. I mean, setting aside the human aspect of it, wouldn't it just make more sense to treat your staff fairly to get better results? I guess it's just what you said, that MAPPA doesn't care if their animators quit since there'll always be younger animators looking to get their foot in the door at any cost, but it's still such a warped way of running a business.
Anyway, thanks again, Drew, and I hope all is well, my friend!
Thanks for watching, Henry, and no worries! Yeah, you would think that making your workers happy and treating them well would boost productivity, but apparently not. It's such a crazy scenario, I still can't quite believe it really happened.
@@DrewMalou Thank you, Drew! Yeah, I can't quite believe it myself: it's just so counter-intuitive, it just doesn't make any sense!
One of the greatest video productions ever made on the anime and animation/writing situation going on in the world at the moment. You are doing God's work. Thank you and you are doing great.
Hahaha, well, I'm not sure about that, but I am so glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind words! 👍
Great video overall just some mistakes like not knowing the different production pipelines in MAPPA and their effect
Yes! The articles I cited hadn't mentioned that, but I learned a lot from people like you letting me know! Still an insane amount of work done, even with separate animation teams!
7:49 if this mans eyes dont tell a dark tale, I don't know what does.
I knooooow!! 😭 Watching that video was tough.
Japanese studios need to be on strike for this, Hollywood was on a writers and actor's strike so why can't japan go on a animators strike?
Really interesting. It would be great to quote sources for the information so we can follow up on specific points.
Sources are linked in the video's description if you want to explore further! Thanks for watching.
The animators at MAPPA are probably some of the best in the industry right now. The JJK movie is absolutely stunning visually, and the fact that they made that film in just 4 months is beyond impressive. If they weren't working under such harsh conditions, the end product for all these projects would probably earn Oscars or something because what they managed to put together with such harsh time constraints (and I am mainly speaking towards JJK here) is still so incredibly jaw-dropping. Someone give these animators a raise and time off. Because, inevitably, if the current pace keeps up, the quality will start dipping, and then no one will be happy. But as it stands now, God bless them. They're putting out some amazing work, and I hope they know that we, as fans, appreciate the agony they went through to meet those deadlines. Give them an all expenses paid trip to Malaysia or something.
The idea that a committee should arbitrarily set by a "deadline" before even contracting a studio to see what is available and/or possible is ridiculous.
It would be like saying "this patient will be treated in 2 hours", before going to check what the disease even is.
Haha, well, from what I understand, they have a pretty good notion as to how long shows take to produce. There are industry standards that have been established. It's like if you got cancer, depending on the type and severity, your treatments and options are pretty well mapped out at this point. It's just certain studios take on more shows than they should, and that brings on the crunch.
Apparently I've heard that in the JJK Season 2 DVD release, they'll add extra scenes for the Sukuna vs Mahoraga fight that they left out.
Dang, sorry I missed this comment, but yes! I made a video about what they added to that fight if you haven't seen it already: th-cam.com/video/f-1ZH2AHQ8c/w-d-xo.html
I always feel so powerless in these situations. Isn't there anything we can do for the animators? I love the shows but knowing people suffer because of it makes it morally a bit more difficult to watch
I agree! Unfortunately, there isn't a great way to support the animators without supporting the studio. If we boycotted MAPPA the animators could lose their jobs, so there's not a great way for us to help, unfortunately.
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LET'S GOOOO Haha, thank you for watching!!
All of this has kind of soured the taste of Anime for me. I don't even really want to watch new shows and I only really do because my wife still likes them. The spectacle and what the medium has come to represent is just insane and unsustainable. The Sukuna vs mahoraga fight, while spectacular and beautiful, isn't worth the exploitation that it takes to make. Anime is headed towards a medium where every weekly episode has to have the production values of a blockbuster film, and I just don't need that or want that.
Yeah, it's really sad to see. We have something similar in the West, where if live action shows don't have feature film grade special effects, it's written off as cheesy and lame. This unfortunately means that only large studios can afford to make large scale shows and films, and so the creativity gets stifled somewhat. Animation is crazy expensive to produce, so only larger studios can keep making it (especially at this quality) and you just end up in this vicious cycle. It's unfortunate, but I thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Its not worth making them suffer and all, but damn gotta give them credit. Those are S tier animations. Never seen such good animations, and so consistently
True! They are insane animators. It must be exhausting constantly pumping out bangers, lol. Thanks for watching!
6:26 that schedule looks insane, holy fu-
I know!! It makes me want to cry just looking at it, lol. 😭
If you look at the dates for JJK seasons (including season 3) from beginning it’s honestly insane JJK S2 came out only a year after S1 with a crunch and they managed to achieve noticeably impressive animation like even in the first episode I noticed the huge difference in production it felt like a movie but with all that happened it caused the next season to come out mid to late 2025 which is 3 years after S2 even ended which is crazy we could’ve already gotten S3 a better mahoraga fight and so much more if they just didn’t crunch so hard I hope they change CEO’s and only work on maximum 2 shows at the same time
Yeah, that would be awesome if they did that! And yes, their schedule was insane. I'm honestly impressed they didn't have more issues than they did with a workload like that!
It really speaks towards the talents of the animators when they can take something that is not even half complete and STILL make it look that damn good.
True!! It's a crazy sight to behold, and I'm so glad I got to experience it, I just hope that they get some rest! Lol
I remember news outlets that jjk season 2 was gonna be canceled but I mention alot that MAPPA can just hire new people. The cycle will continue but I wish one day MAPPA can have a change of heart and break that cycle
Me too! And even if all of the animators were to quit, I think MAPPA is so big now, that they could just get an all new staff and continue the cycle. It's sad, but thank you for watching!
As a fellow 2D animator and huge fan of their work, the animators at Mappa deserve:
⬆️higher wages⬆️
and
⬅️longer deadlines ➡️
Here's hoping they get the work life balance they deserve ❤
That would be so amazing! I hope they get these as well. Thank you for watching!
Getting longer deadlines consistently requires studios to have a lot of money to fund their own project and take risks like MAPPA and Ufotable but not every studio is willing enough to do that. But that also poses a problem that if the production time is too long it will cost too much and plummet in potential profits due to the interest in said show lowering
On the plus side, being a premier anime studio with a lot of work they should in theory be able to afford to hire more people now to help resolve some of these issues now. Don't know how that's gonna work out with all the bad press though
True, but keep in mind, that's going to eat into the company's profit margins. Not sure the upper management would be okay with that, so the cycle is likely to continue. 💀💀💀
I sincerely hope that things do improve, though! Thank you for watching!
@@DrewMalou unfortunately it's just a theory, a film theory
Yeah, that's true. I hope it becomes real, though!
Great video 👍
Thank you so much!
as an artist and animator it breaks my heart to see people getting treated like this. these are some of the greatest artists, animators, background artists, etc working on these shows. on the planet. of our generation. and they're treated like garbage. i can't even put into words how much work and time it takes to get even half as good as these people in terms of technical artistic skills. it's awful
Yeah, it truly is the worst kind of situation. On the one hand, I'm so happy that they are producing such legendary animation sequences for us, but on the other, no one deserves to get treated like this.
3:40 i was literally 1 month off (5 months)mappa is literally so predictable with these strict deadlines 😭🙏
Dang!! That was a good guess, but it saddens me, because 5 months is still crazy, lol. RIP MAPPA Workers. 😭
its disgusting how the CEO lets this happen to MAPPA. he ought to be taken down. and its also disheartening to see the animators let themselves get treated like this.
Yes, but one thing I didn't touch on, is that this is pretty common practice in Japanese work culture. It is often viewed as dishonorable to leave the studio to find better work conditions, because you leave them in a bad position without you. It's a difficult problem to solve, and isn't really the fault of the animators.
With the recents strikes like sag-aftra and UAW having mostly success, I hope some animators in japan saw those and gain enough courage (not to mention how much harder it is to pull of in a country that heavily leans into collectivism) to take action for the better
Yeah, that would be cool to see!! Hopefully one day, things will get better for these animators!
Aren't NDAs illegal in pretty much any country if they break said countries laws?
I don't entirely know... but I'm pretty sure if you reach a settlement instead of going to court and you take a cash payment in order for your silence on a particular subject (even if that subject were illegal), you can get sued if you speak about it. But it has to be voluntary, you can't force someone to sign one.
@@DrewMalou
Yea in that case the NDA would hold up (unless it's silencing you from speaking about things they criminally did).
Yeah! Except that all of this could be totally different legally in Japan.
Not to add to the depressing subject, but I’m a 3D artist and VFX artist and have worked in animation, games, and live-action films. I’m absolutely shot and I’ve only been in the industry for a few years. Art and artists will always seem to be dispensable to corps, at least from what i see. But, another great issue is the changing of technology. EVERYDAY I make something in a particular software or whatever, it becomes obsolete the NEXT DAY. I can’t keep up with the demand of ‘the best’ and ‘most modern’ tech. There’s only so much we can learn and produce, under deadlines.
I no longer wish to work in this industry and am actively looking for a job in any other industry. These past few years did it in for me, id rather be happy doing something mundane then depressed doing something i love.
Nothing but absolute respect for anime animators and animators of all kinds. That JJK episode was 30% done?!? My a$$, it looked and felt like nothing ive ever seen. It was a complete piece of cinema to me…❤
Man, that's so rough to hear. Much respect to you for looking to get out of the grind! It does seem like artists are expendable these days, which is a horrible thing to say. Thanks for watching!
30% of vision the eps itself was 80-85%done
When I first saw the episode It was a bit different and kind of disappointing but when I know the hardwork of the animators then I must say that whatever they made was amazing in such a short time 🫡
YES!!! That's exactly how I felt. It feels different from the rest of season 2, but when you see how little time they had, it's quite impressive.
4 months is literally insane 😭
I know, I feel so bad for those animators!!
So ..things like this happenning in animation and games vs what happens in more unionized industries ....yeah ...theres a pretty stark reminder that collective action works.
I started to dig into why there are no animation unions, and it's a pretty difficult industry to unionize. One of the biggest reasons is because so many artists work as freelancers, instead of full time salaried employees! I want to do a longer video in the future about this, but I'm not sure when I'll get to it, haha.
Let’s be honest if people knew about this I don’t think they’d care and just keep watching whatever mappa puts out lol.
True. It's hard not supporting MAPPA though, because you want to show appreciation to the animators, but then you end up supporting upper management as well, which created these conditions. It's a tough problem. Anyways, thanks for watching!
I’m rly worried for the animators I feel like someone might collapse from work. Or smth bigger will be happening
Yeah, there have been quite a few leaders and other animators that left... I'm want to do a follow up video soon!
i suspect there must be a "Yes man" somewhere in the management
That's what I'm thinking! But Japanese culture is also pretty hard and strict like this, so unfortunately, it's really not that far outside of the norm in Japan.
Fandom needs to acknowledge his part of responsibility in this.
Without piracy the promise of financial return would be much higher.
Both yes and no. People who are capable of paying for streaming services still dont and brag about illegal streaming are responsible.
However anime worldwide streaming still isnt legally accessible for every country and then streaming platforms getting exlusive rights to certain anime not everyone can pay for every streaming service just to get access to every anime. And then to add on to that how netflix refuses to release episode by episode and in bulk releases, plus the quality of fansub often time beats out the quality of official subs.
There is a responsiblity of anime fans too though i agree however its more complicated than that.
They won't be getting the money they deserve either way.
@@fakelove1532 first off, netflix is streaming Dungeon Meshi right now, and it's being released weekly.
Second, it's not views, but merch and blu-ray releases that truly feed those studios.
@@Владислав-ы9м5уoh im well aware about blu rays and dvds feeding a lot of the income made. However there is an acknowledgement to be made about how there IS a switch from dvds to streaming services for people watching shows. And this is now a new form of income for anime studios. Plus dvd and blu rays to my awareness has mostly always have been only easily accessible to the japanese general public not worldwide and they have been the ones carrying the brunt of the dvd sales all this time
Also do you know if netflix has heard the complaints and fixed this for EVERY anime they liscence or is it only for select anime that they release weekly?
8:12 His eyes..shows much..
Yeah... That video is crazy. Everyone looks so tired throughout the whole thing, lol.
Btw something you got completely wrong was that AoT and JJK have completely different pipeline meaning different teams are in charge of different series, the actual series that cut into JJK season one production was God of high school which was still airing while JJK was under production aside from that you got it right
Yeah, that was an oversight on my part. The article I sourced made it seem like AoT compounded the issue across the entire studio. Thanks for clearing that up!
@@DrewMalou yeah I don’t blame you most people don’t even know half of the info you explained in the video so getting the show that hinder the seshimo pipeline isn’t that big of a deal especially when the rest was spot on
Haha, yeah. I knew that studios usually have multiple teams working on different shows, but was just under the impression that AoT and JJK were the same team. Where do you find out which animation team works on which project? Is there a website that compiles all of that? Or is it just following the directors and studios on social media?
@@DrewMalou I read sakuga blog which is a site connected to sakugabooru which is where users archive animators work and compile them, but sakuga blog has reported on the production of many anime by interviews the anime staff give in Japanese media and publish production notes for series giving the basic run down, but now it is a mix of reading and also following animators and people in the industry on twitter or other Japanese social media
Got you! Thanks for the info. I love Sakugabooru, but I haven't checked out their blog, so I'll do that. And using Japanese social media is a fantastic idea! Haha. Thanks again!
Bro I got a JJK S2 Ad right before the video started
Ohhhhh noooo!! Lol 💀
Welcome to common work practices in Japan and China, been there and seen that.
Haha, trueeee.
30% and still a banger ! dayum I wonder what 100% will it looks like
bruh it looked like ass wym??
Yeah, I like the rough animation, but it definitely has issues. I would have loved to see a completely finished fight. That would have been nuts!
loooool
@@tyrilius9732said that to 9,9 rating in imdb😂
Drew spitting bars with this video
LOL, thanks bro! 🙏🙏🙏
I FEEL ANXIOUS
ME TOO
Thanks!
You're very welcome! Thank you for watching!
Was Mappa also under tight scheduling like this for older projects such as Dororo?
I believe they have been pretty slammed for a few years now, so it's highly likely. 😬
I’m curious. If the animators left in solidarity and made their own studio, wouldn’t their clients follow? Due to massive media publicity
Two big directors left MAPPA and did just that, but the brand name of MAPPA is a powerful thing, if that makes sense!
The human cost of the art must be paid for, those who profited are indebted to those they made crunch.
I agree!
If MAPPA ruins One Punch Man season 3, it will be their end.
I believe J.C. Staff is doing season 3!
0:09 Let me break it down for you mark
LOOOOL
It really sucks knowing this. I obviously love the work they've done but this isn't how things should be. People don't know the work and effort animators put into a single episode. Hell I don't, it takes me an hour to perfect my lil doodles I make during college. I think people need more patience. Our favorite mangas being made into shows could be so much more if workers were given the time they needed. The animator's who work on the shows deserve the time they need to avoid burnout and inevitably striking against the company.
P.S after seeing the end I might check that out. I've had a deep down wish to be able to animate the lil fight scenes that appear in my head when I listen to music. My stick nodes app cannot handle all the frames I put into it and often crash lmao
Yeah, it's such a bummer. I wish the demand for high quality animation didn't overpower the animators' need to live normal, healthy lives.
@@DrewMalou Honestly, fans and companies should have the patience to wait out the time needed to produce the animation. The people demanding the product have an entire life to wait for an animation and still bitch when it comes out rushed
Mappa has the chance to be to the 2020s what Studio Bones was for the 2000s/2010s. A studio adapting several popular mangas at a high value that get remembered for years and setting new standards for shonen works. So it's a true shame that this situation overshadows this opportunity
It really is. I hope they are remembered for their work, and not for these dark moments like their difficult work conditions!
I too realized all the projects Mappa took on, im still waiting on one-punch man to get their next season, but they started to develop the quantity over quality mindset. They standout for the wrong reasons, I couldn't understand the choreography in the thunder clap episode, and overall enjoyed the manga better. They're under so much pressure, I just hope it gets better for them
MAPPA isn’t the studio making One Punch Man season 3
@@cwega2463 they dropped it?
@@x3xicex3x they were never working on it lmao. that was a twitter rumour that people ran with that was confirmed not to be true like last year.
@@cwega2463 ouch, another reason to stay off social media, thank you for the clear up
You know, I hadn't considered comparing the manga to the anime for this fight. That would be really interesting to see how the adaptation differs. And I too hope that the work culture gets better at MAPPA as well! Thank you for watching!
The fact that only 30% was aired but it was STILL fucking GODLY
Well, apparently it was "30% of the artistic vision" that was completed, but that guy also deleted that tweet. So, most people were guestimating that the episode was 75-85% complete.... But anyways, I still think it's an insane accomplishment for those animators. Thank you for watching!
@@DrewMalou it was a pleasure. I'm glad I got to see this since I cannot remember my twitter user name, thank you for making the video
How the fuck did they made the JJK movie in 4 months. The Levi vs Beast Titan from season 3 took WIT 3 months to animate
Yeah, it's inhuman, I have no idea how they did it, lol. Thank you for watching!
"more good animators and staff"
Yeah NGL I could def tell it was a bit incomplete than the others with some scenes of mahoraga being lower detailed and one scene had only circles of mahoragas lower chest
Yeah, me too. It was sad to see, but I still got insanely hyped! Even if it wasn't fully complete, it still blew me away, which is insane in my opinion, haha. Thank you for watching!
@@DrewMalou yeah but NGL if sukuna killed mahoraga and gojo did as well and he can adapt to all phenomena imagine if mahoraga adapted to death
That would be NUTS lol
@@DrewMalou still a possibility
MAPPA has one punch man, JJK, chiansaw man, Hells paradise and ten of more. They have all banger in one studio. And don't forget Attack on titan that finished just recently, man they really did shit with that anime.
I believe the OPM rumors were untrue. I believe J.C.Staff is doing season 3 of OPM.
Was not expecting the dbfz trunks theme
Bahahaha, yeahhhh!! The DBFZ ost goes so hard! lol
Mappa studios make Amazon look like an mini lego factory
LOL They really do! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. 💀
Id maddening that its pretty much the same as it was 30 years ago. Poor pay and benifits for outstanding work. Working people death and even not paying respect. Its not that hard for a company to pitch a realistic schedule and support their staff. WE CAN WAIT!
I know! It's really not that difficult. I don't see why more companies don't do this.
If big gaming studios like Rockstar games have to quit the crunch culture then who the hell is mappa.....
And we all know that how big is gaming industry and gaming studios are in comparison of anime industry and it's studios
Sooner or later Mappa studios and other anime studios that practice crunch culture have to quit it.
True!! Crunch is just not sustainable. You burn your people out, and increase your worker turnover rate which can be bad for the industry overall.
Unfortunately for the video, the information about 30% turned out to be incorrect
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@@10human7 Yes- the episode couldn't have been completed by only 30%. The studio had problems, but not so that the episode was finished by 30%
Yeah, the original tweet said "30% of the artistic vision" was completed, and then he deleted it. It is clear that the fight was rushed and unfinished, though the 30% estimate was pretty low. It was probably more like 70% - 80% complete.
What do you think about the official news that episode 17 of JJK will be getting additional cuts added for the blu ray release?
Sorry I missed this!! But yes, I was so glad that they were going to do that! I definitely think it needed it, and as it turns out, I did a video about all of the changes that they made! Haha. If you're interested, you can watch it here: th-cam.com/video/f-1ZH2AHQ8c/w-d-xo.html
Dorohedoro Season 2 just got announced. I hope this hot mess doesn't affect it. 😒😒
Same!! 😬 Thanks for watching!
Mppa is doing fine. working on 13 projects atm. it is what it is
Bruhhh 💀 My man sounds like the CEO of MAPPA.
Im afraid we would get another "berserk , tokyo ghoul or seven deadly sins " movement if this continues
Ooooof, that would be rough! 💀
jujutsu kaizen and attack on titan are produced by completely different teams with very little staff overlap. also its implied that jjk 0 was produced in 4 months. there is no official evidence that that's the case. also the person that said it was 30% complete deleted his tweet.
That is good to know! The source that I found talked about the JJK and CM overlap, and only mentioned that MAPPA picking up AoT S4 was the catalyst that started this domino-effect of crunch, so that's an oversight by me. However, there is a tweet by Sota Shigetsu stating that he completed the JJK0 movie in 4 months.
twitter.com/Hone_honeHONE/status/1723402102884773930
As to the guy who deleted his tweet, that doesn't mean it isn't true, lol. As I stated, they had their staff sign NDA's, so this could have been seen to be defamation on his part, which could be why he deleted it. I can definitely tell the episode is far less refined than others, so I'm not sure why this statement is so controversial. Is it because he tried to quantify it, and his figure was too low? I don't really understand, but if I'm missing something, please let me know!
i remember when they announced jjk movie i was wondering how all that animation was possible in the timeframe
Heart attack amounts of coffee
I think they released the finished version later
They did! I made a follow up video discussing what they changed.
th-cam.com/video/f-1ZH2AHQ8c/w-d-xo.html
That fight was so confusing 😕
I didn't see anything
It was a 0.8s for a picture
3/10 fight
I hope the workers will be OK though
Yeah, there are some really rough moments in the fight, for sure. It's such a shame. Thanks for watching!
Lol eyes issue
cant wait for jujutsu kaisen season 2 remake for sukuna vs mahoraga in the future, just hope they will be able to find a resolution
That would be so amazing! I honestly hope they can redo this fight to the utmost of their abilities, it would be so sick!
3:23 i actually guessed correctly and i am here today to inform you of my clear superiority
Daaaaang, alright!! W's in chat, bois!
Your videos are too high quality for them to be from someone with only 25k subs, incredible editing and voice over as well! Btw it'll be great if you can check out the animation from Fog Hill of Five Elements, its criminally underrated.
Thank you so much, that's very kind of you! 💖 And yes, I haven't seen it yet, but I have heard some amazing things! Chinese animation has been popping off recently! Thanks for the kind words, and the suggestion!
when people didn't see any problem with episode 17 i doubted people eyes
Hahaha, it's definitely different stylistically, and while it isn't completely finished, I do still like the raw, frenetic energy that it gives the scene. Anyways, thanks for watching!
Still eps 16-17>>>>s1
@@Thundeclap we can agree on that
They should learn from ufotable
Working at one project and give their best of the best
YES!! That seems to be a great way to do it, the only problem is if that one project tanks and isn't commercially successful, the whole studio might get shut down, which is crazy. 😵💀