I live just up the hill from this section of the Par-Newquay line and I know this line very well, as I use it often to go to Newquay. Tis a lovely little line, we are very fond of it and its cute little DMUs. This secton was just before Luxulyan tunnel, which is quite tight. No wonder the HST skipped the rail. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. . Further along the line after Goss Moor, the line used to go through a tunnel before crossing the A30/Newquay link road at St Columb Road (where I also used to live...). The tunnel was decommissioned a long time ago, deemed too expensive to maintain, so they continued the line in a salient around the hill. I've walked most of the now disused cutting and tunnel, very spooky place. One can just make out the switch-bed and cutting (...on the left, heading *to* Newquay...), leading up to the tunnel entrance, just after going beneath the Indian Queens bridge (on the old A30) around about where the train is advised to 'Whistle' prior to the farm level crossing. . This line used to be a double track line, but was downsized to a single track. Because of Newquay being a major tourist trap (avoided by most of us *locals,* during the holiday season...), the line was spared the Beeching axe. Not only do the HST's still run to Newquay on occasions, but also many restored steam locomotives chuff their way up our valley to Newquay. I can usually hear most trains whistle when negotiating the Luxulyan valley, but when the steamers go up, one can hear them clearly as they negotiate this section. . This was a fascinating insight into how the track maintenance personnel re-rail a locomotive. Many of these chaps, were from the Laira T&RSMD - Traction & Rolling Stock Maintenance Depot situated in Plymouth, Devon, England. . Great upload *Aaron Cook.* Thumbs up!
I can't believe no one thought of putting a re-railer/decoupler on the line. I remember it saved me a whole lot of trouble on my 1979 Hornby 125. I was used rather a lot, given the fact that my P-Way had little to no ballast as it was suspended, rather precariously, on thick bedroom carpet. Great vid though. Always wondered how it was done in real life.
Did you see that bloke climbing under 100 tons of locomotive without wearing a high visibility jacket. 100 tons of locomotive falling on your head is deadly without the protection of a high visibility jacket.
And the yellow helmets. .. Mustn't forget them! But yeah, those hydraulic jacks looked a tad precarious. I tend to avoid getting under my car, even when on axel stands... Fuck that for a game of railwaymen!
Remember when I started on the Railway 1973 the Breakdown Crane was crewed by Stratford Depot Fitters. The Crane itself was a 75 Ton Steam Crane. Rerailing was mostly done by Hydraulic Jacks and wood packing where derailed wagons were jacked up and toppled forward until above the rails. The equipment in the film was referred to as “German Gear” when it came on the scene. Very dangerous job but the fitters were masters of the job.
Very interesting to see. The Video 125 vid "Cornish Branches" filmed this line soon afterwards and there's a comment about the derailment as the train to Newquay passes the accident site. Never expected to see the actual re-railing exercise though! Many thanks.
That was a proper rerailing job, the jacks and slide beam seems in most cases the best solution, you can bring in this equipment to otherwise unaccesable places. The caterpillars with side lifting booms they use in the USA are useless in this place because there is no area at the lineside to work for them, so they would have to clear the trees and undergrowth first. This technique is minimal invase to the suroundings of the railway tracks, and relative quick and cheap. When however the wheelsets/bogies end up completely out ot the 4 foot or the stock rolls over there is no other choice than to get the big hook out.
Well they use this system in the US too for putting locomotives and cars back on tracks for moderate derailments. In the US they also use side boom tractors for cars that have fully derailed from the track to lift them and place them back on the track. Locos usually need a full HD crane system to raise them back on the tracks. That technique is mostly used for serious derailments where multiple cars went off the track and are usually on their sides. In addition they use simple wood or metal blocks to rerail wheels if they came off the track. In the US they use different techniques for specific situations.
I remember some of the old P-Way boys at Preston telling me when I worked on the track renewals there that they'd recover derailments themselves as a matter of course.
BRUFF team still exists today and it's done in exactly the same fashion. The pops under the BRUFF on track plant are detonators that have been placed by the driver to protect the line. There are too many (we use 3 today) and why they purposely ran over them rather than picking them up I don't know.
@@tomcasey8717 3 Detonators 20yds apart and a Red ,,,, was what I was taught ,,, back in 1985. Guessing the road had spread . Ancient Bullhead rail and fastenings. 👍😎
Hello James. The explosions are called track or fog detonators. The driver or gard will put them out on the line in both directions. They go on the rail head. They serve as a warning to both the train in distress and a train approtching the sean. They are also used where people are working on the line in some cases. As a vehical approtches the seen it runs over them setting them off. This will alarm any thing approtching to stop or people on the line to get cleair incase the thing approtching cant stop. Hope this helps
beechface1 I said 'An HST', which is the correct usage. Perhaps rather than trying (and failing) to correct other people's grammar, you could make an interesting comment about the video itself? Or even better, keep your misguided grammar corrections to yourself.
What no helicopters, Ohmygods and half a dozen burly bigmouths shouting about doing it now? Oh sorry, this is BR in England not some cowboy outfit in the USA, isn't it.
Help/I/am/being/eaten/by/aliens Thatsnottrue Hello. It's in the second part of the film (I have never put up) shows the track about a panal back from the front of the HST has about 6 broken sleepers and the track has come out of gauge. This caused the derailment. It is said that the driver on the way down the line felt the train move so on the way back up he reduced the speed over the section of line reducing the amount of damage. If true it was very lucky he did. This leads to the smallest ever HST passangers train. This consisted of the rear power car only carrying the passangers off the train back to the last station. Hopefully this will help you decide if real or just training.
@@aaroncook9749 Surely if the driver `felt the train move' he should have reported it to the Signalman for immediate line closure until urgent inspection is carried out. Would have saved alot of trouble although to be fair he saved more damage by going slow on the return. Alternatively upon feeling the strange train behavior he could have stopped the train & walked back to inspect the track himself, it would have been worth the 20 - 30 minutes or so delay (this is assuming that the fault would be evident without either a heavy train on the line or specialist equipment). As I've mentioned in another post an IC125 derailed in Paddington at very slow speed due to, i believe, rotten wooden Sleepers which let the rails `spread'. Unfortunately the UK is still not the best for Health & Safety imo. Surely with a good planned maintenance regime / regular inspections these accidents shouldn't happen.
Interesting video. Amazing that the wooden sleepers are not checked / replaced as part of a planned maintenance regime. The same thing happened in Paddington station (rails spread in a platform and IC125 derailed - was on tv recently); the UK is not the best for Health & Safety. To be even more smart ass it's a shame the driver on the return jouney (having felt the train move strangely on the outgoing trip) didn't just go slower but stopped the train & got his ruler out to check the gauge, knowing these are wooden sleepers). Could the uploader please put the reason for the derailment in the video description so people don't have to traul through all the comments?
@@danieljones3955 May be so but, for example, there were 10 fatalities during construction of the Channel Tunnel, 8 were British which must be significant? You don't say which country you are from in your account I notice.
+karlww Detonators. The driver of the HST would have put them on the track to warn any other trains that the line is obstructed. I don't think it's completely necessary on a single line like this one but it is in the rule book that the driver must do this. HTH
They got the job done, but one would think that a couple of side boom crawler tractors would have gotten the job done quicker, faster, and safer than the precarious blocking and jacks.
LoL That's the diesel engine in the bruff that runs the pump for the jacks. It sounds the same now when I run it. Does sound like a cartoon sound effect though.
@@robertgift This derailment happened on a hot summer day, and by the way these men were sweating, and from reading Aaron Cook's reply... I'd speculate that the derailment was caused by heat expansion of the rails causing the track to buckle and shift under the train. In spring, the fishplates are removed and rail joints examined, after which they are oiled to allow the rails to expand at the joints. The rails are also adjusted as necessary for rail creep by removing the keys (on bullhead track) and pulling them back before resecuring, so as to maintain the correct gaps at the joints to allow for expansion. If this is not correctly done, the rails can become heat stressed and liable to buckle. I was a train driver for 40 years and have saw derailments like this over the years. If the track is known to be heat stressed, an emergency speed restriction is imposed upon the affected section of track. The track is constantly patrolled in known problem areas on really hot days by the permanent way guys to keep us safe...
is it me or are people so nieve who watched the excellent video don't actually watch it, therefore ask the most rediculous questions. Go out in the world and learn hands on
The Bruff was normally called out to do this sort of work. Railcrains are expensive to run and have very limited access to small lines like this one because of how heavy they are and size. Where as the Bruff was cheep and quick to get to the work sight being able to get most of the way by road. This especially helps on a branch line and you need to get to the other end of the train.
MrPLC999 This is mid 1980’s, and the jacks will lift 120tonnes each, I was a supervisor doing this job in England for 12 years, not sure how heavy your locos are but remember you only lift one end at a time. The jacks are German, made by a company called MFD. hope this helps?
When they built new piers for Glasgow's Kingston Bridge, they lifted the bridge with hydraulic jacks, demolished the old piers, built new ones, and lowered the bridge onto them. The bridge remained in service during the whole process. If they can do that, I'm pretty sure they can jack up a locomotive of any size or weight.
1madaboutguitar I am a member of the breakdown crew for db schenker and I can assure you there was nothing fake about that. Companys dont let you derail their valuable rolling stock just so you can practice.
I live just up the hill from this section of the Par-Newquay line and I know this line very well, as I use it often to go to Newquay. Tis a lovely little line, we are very fond of it and its cute little DMUs. This secton was just before Luxulyan tunnel, which is quite tight. No wonder the HST skipped the rail. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
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Further along the line after Goss Moor, the line used to go through a tunnel before crossing the A30/Newquay link road at St Columb Road (where I also used to live...). The tunnel was decommissioned a long time ago, deemed too expensive to maintain, so they continued the line in a salient around the hill. I've walked most of the now disused cutting and tunnel, very spooky place. One can just make out the switch-bed and cutting (...on the left, heading *to* Newquay...), leading up to the tunnel entrance, just after going beneath the Indian Queens bridge (on the old A30) around about where the train is advised to 'Whistle' prior to the farm level crossing.
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This line used to be a double track line, but was downsized to a single track. Because of Newquay being a major tourist trap (avoided by most of us *locals,* during the holiday season...), the line was spared the Beeching axe. Not only do the HST's still run to Newquay on occasions, but also many restored steam locomotives chuff their way up our valley to Newquay. I can usually hear most trains whistle when negotiating the Luxulyan valley, but when the steamers go up, one can hear them clearly as they negotiate this section.
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This was a fascinating insight into how the track maintenance personnel re-rail a locomotive. Many of these chaps, were from the Laira T&RSMD - Traction & Rolling Stock Maintenance Depot situated in Plymouth, Devon, England.
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Great upload *Aaron Cook.* Thumbs up!
03:11 What a delight hearing change-ringing on real bells! Nice hearing/seeing the track torpedoes exploding!
Torpedoes are known as detonators in UK. They are made in the delightfully named town of Penistone...
Big Casey 😂😂
I can't believe no one thought of putting a re-railer/decoupler on the line. I remember it saved me a whole lot of trouble on my 1979 Hornby 125. I was used rather a lot, given the fact that my P-Way had little to no ballast as it was suspended, rather precariously, on thick bedroom carpet. Great vid though. Always wondered how it was done in real life.
Did you see that bloke climbing under 100 tons of locomotive without wearing a high visibility jacket. 100 tons of locomotive falling on your head is deadly without the protection of a high visibility jacket.
's OK. If you die while not wearing a high visibility jacket, your employer isn't responsible.
Your gonna die either way underneath it u idiot
A hi viz wouldn,t save him back then no health & Safety
TOP GEAR ( CLARKSON)
And the yellow helmets. .. Mustn't forget them! But yeah, those hydraulic jacks looked a tad precarious. I tend to avoid getting under my car, even when on axel stands... Fuck that for a game of railwaymen!
That is some fantastic skill and teamwork! looks like they do that kind of work on a daily basis. very interesting to watch and very impressive!
Remember when I started on the Railway 1973 the Breakdown Crane was crewed by Stratford Depot Fitters. The Crane itself was a 75 Ton Steam Crane. Rerailing was mostly done by Hydraulic Jacks and wood packing where derailed wagons were jacked up and toppled forward until above the rails. The equipment in the film was referred to as “German Gear” when it came on the scene. Very dangerous job but the fitters were masters of the job.
Very. Good old days history keep it up for the young generation.
amazing job,these guys are worth every penny !
Very interesting from an American perspective; nice work guys. Great to see a supervisor getting dirty too.
very interesting - thanks for posting
Was was this in my recommendations? I have no idea.
I also didn't know that I absolutely needed to watch this.
Very interesting to see. The Video 125 vid "Cornish Branches" filmed this line soon afterwards and there's a comment about the derailment as the train to Newquay passes the accident site. Never expected to see the actual re-railing exercise though! Many thanks.
Amazing what you can do with a few jacks and some wood.
That was a proper rerailing job, the jacks and slide beam seems in most cases the best solution, you can bring in this equipment to otherwise unaccesable places.
The caterpillars with side lifting booms they use in the USA are useless in this place because there is no area at the lineside to work for them, so they would have to clear the trees and undergrowth first.
This technique is minimal invase to the suroundings of the railway tracks, and relative quick and cheap.
When however the wheelsets/bogies end up completely out ot the 4 foot or the stock rolls over there is no other choice than to get the big hook out.
Well they use this system in the US too for putting locomotives and cars back on tracks for moderate derailments. In the US they also use side boom tractors for cars that have fully derailed from the track to lift them and place them back on the track. Locos usually need a full HD crane system to raise them back on the tracks. That technique is mostly used for serious derailments where multiple cars went off the track and are usually on their sides. In addition they use simple wood or metal blocks to rerail wheels if they came off the track. In the US they use different techniques for specific situations.
Worth every second watching
Cracking video!
Nicely done.
Fantastic to see this bruff in action have only seen these in photos
Regard
Graeme
That was taken before video 125 started filming the Newquay branch for the release of the Cornish branches
I remember some of the old P-Way boys at Preston telling me when I worked on the track renewals there that they'd recover derailments themselves as a matter of course.
One of these outside of Euston on way to Watford, on the right hand side going up...
BRUFF team still exists today and it's done in exactly the same fashion.
The pops under the BRUFF on track plant are detonators that have been placed by the driver to protect the line. There are too many (we use 3 today) and why they purposely ran over them rather than picking them up I don't know.
Should the detonators / were they replaced after they were used????
@@JohnPW22 I would imagine the derailed HST would have been in a possession and worksite so no need for extra shot protection.
You’re correct about the number of dets used but today we’re told to leave them once placed to be exploded.
@@tomcasey8717 3 Detonators 20yds apart and a Red ,,,, was what I was taught ,,, back in 1985.
Guessing the road had spread . Ancient Bullhead rail and fastenings. 👍😎
Saw this a few years ago. The same 🐓 rooster crowing, accompanied by church bells.
We use that same Hegenscheidt MFD stuff to rerail our LRV's in the States.
Is it me, or has the tyre come off the bogie at 1:24 / 15:03 ? I don't see the flange
Do the still do it like this or has Health & Safety made them use cranes?
I work for Network Rail and we still have the BRUFF team, albeit updated equipment.
I'm pretty sure I've driven 43035. Interesting video
I love that design of power car
Maybe you could add some verbal or printed comments as to cause of this wreck or other videos. How does a train "jump" off the rails?
How did she derail
a great video showing true english spirit.
Was this the rear power car ? Amazing effort by all
Is the Laira depot still operating? I'd read that many of the staff got the sack in 2015 as operations at Laira were curtailed.
Why the explosions from the yellow service truck? Obviously a warning of some sort, just wondering about the how and why.
Hello James. The explosions are called track or fog detonators.
The driver or gard will put them out on the line in both directions. They go on the rail head.
They serve as a warning to both the train in distress and a train approtching the sean. They are also used where people are working on the line in some cases.
As a vehical approtches the seen it runs over them setting them off.
This will alarm any thing approtching to stop or people on the line to get cleair incase the thing approtching cant stop.
Hope this helps
Still in service, apparently, up in Scotland.
This does seem like a very strange place for an HST to be - very sharp bend and single track - whereabouts was this?
Between par and newquay. Hsts did the route on sumer Saturdays from as far as Manchester Newcastle and Glasgow
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A high speed train, an hst
beechface1
I said 'An HST', which is the correct usage. Perhaps rather than trying (and failing) to correct other people's grammar, you could make an interesting comment about the video itself? Or even better, keep your misguided grammar corrections to yourself.
tjf4375 I apoligise. I share this account with my little brother who is very rude.
Who filmed this, sounds like it could had been Mad Max with all the creaking leather?
beats bringing in the crane
Good old "Bedford"!
12:33 whoops.
Was there passengers on the trains
What no helicopters, Ohmygods and half a dozen burly bigmouths shouting about doing it now?
Oh sorry, this is BR in England not some cowboy outfit in the USA, isn't it.
correction , this WAS British Rail .
Are you from Cymru *John Smith,* by any chance?
Just a moment. I see no pushing aside of the ballast. Is this an exercise?
Help/I/am/being/eaten/by/aliens Thatsnottrue
Hello.
It's in the second part of the film (I have never put up) shows the track about a panal back from the front of the HST has about 6 broken sleepers and the track has come out of gauge. This caused the derailment. It is said that the driver on the way down the line felt the train move so on the way back up he reduced the speed over the section of line reducing the amount of damage.
If true it was very lucky he did.
This leads to the smallest ever HST passangers train.
This consisted of the rear power car only carrying the passangers off the train back to the last station.
Hopefully this will help you decide if real or just training.
@@aaroncook9749 Surely if the driver `felt the train move' he should have reported it to the Signalman for immediate line closure until urgent inspection is carried out. Would have saved alot of trouble although to be fair he saved more damage by going slow on the return.
Alternatively upon feeling the strange train behavior he could have stopped the train & walked back to inspect the track himself, it would have been worth the 20 - 30 minutes or so delay (this is assuming that the fault would be evident without either a heavy train on the line or specialist equipment).
As I've mentioned in another post an IC125 derailed in Paddington at very slow speed due to, i believe, rotten wooden Sleepers which let the rails `spread'. Unfortunately the UK is still not the best for Health & Safety imo. Surely with a good planned maintenance regime / regular inspections these accidents shouldn't happen.
I wonder how old the track was when this event occurred?
Obviously, the jacks raised it but what mechanism was used to swing it back over onto the rail?
+Fenix Looks like another ram that attaches onto the bar and I'm guessing the other end hooks onto the bogie.
Is it known what caused the derailment
where there owner railcrane....?
Proper machines the bruffs
Interesting video. Amazing that the wooden sleepers are not checked / replaced as part of a planned maintenance regime. The same thing happened in Paddington station (rails spread in a platform and IC125 derailed - was on tv recently); the UK is not the best for Health & Safety.
To be even more smart ass it's a shame the driver on the return jouney (having felt the train move strangely on the outgoing trip) didn't just go slower but stopped the train & got his ruler out to check the gauge, knowing these are wooden sleepers).
Could the uploader please put the reason for the derailment in the video description so people don't have to traul through all the comments?
Where you from UK Heath and safety is one the best in the world
@@danieljones3955 May be so but, for example, there were 10 fatalities during construction of the Channel Tunnel, 8 were British which must be significant? You don't say which country you are from in your account I notice.
What were the pops coming from the service truck when it was approaching?
+karlww Detonators. The driver of the HST would have put them on the track to warn any other trains that the line is obstructed. I don't think it's completely necessary on a single line like this one but it is in the rule book that the driver must do this. HTH
More importantly, where can I get a few hundred of them? Just for safety, mind you, in case a train derails near my street. ;)
They got the job done, but one would think that a couple of side boom crawler tractors would have gotten the job done quicker, faster, and safer than the precarious blocking and jacks.
_”Ask your dealer about an InterCity 125”_
I'd love to know why it derailed? A fascinating insight into a team of largely unsung heroes ! Brilliant men.
I know who the driver was , think track had spread
Insert Cartoon Sound Effect @ 12:33. :)
LoL That's the diesel engine in the bruff that runs the pump for the jacks. It sounds the same now when I run it. Does sound like a cartoon sound effect though.
Aaron Cook
Actually, I meant for the guy that slipped on the rocks.
Aaron Cook Ha ha,better than carrying the so called portable pump set though. I hate those things.
LOL imagine he actually fell i would laugh
really usefully placed dets there about 20 yards away 🤣
It looks like the loco fordward brink wheels are destroyed.
They will be OK but wheel sets will Ultra sonic tested just to be safe
Right lads anyone got suncream.?
Cause?
@Bearrito Thank you. How does the track get bumpy? The rails looks good.
@@robertgift This derailment happened on a hot summer day, and by the way these men were sweating, and from reading Aaron Cook's reply... I'd speculate that the derailment was caused by heat expansion of the rails causing the track to buckle and shift under the train. In spring, the fishplates are removed and rail joints examined, after which they are oiled to allow the rails to expand at the joints. The rails are also adjusted as necessary for rail creep by removing the keys (on bullhead track) and pulling them back before resecuring, so as to maintain the correct gaps at the joints to allow for expansion. If this is not correctly done, the rails can become heat stressed and liable to buckle. I was a train driver for 40 years and have saw derailments like this over the years. If the track is known to be heat stressed, an emergency speed restriction is imposed upon the affected section of track. The track is constantly patrolled in known problem areas on really hot days by the permanent way guys to keep us safe...
No hard hats or safety glasses? When common sense worked well. Great video
DARRENR 🏠 have OK yes
is it me or are people so nieve who watched the excellent video don't actually watch it, therefore ask the most rediculous questions. Go out in the world and learn hands on
probably someone revgenage did put rocks on rails because front jump off the track
Who thought it was a good idea to put a hst on that section of track
Mickey Mouse english rail chairs and tracks... blimey!
Liberty Patriot British.
Yet still better than the woeful yank railways...
This was 1991 ffs. Things have changed a fair bit since then
Would've took a few seconds if it was a Hornby train set lol
1:01
Lots of hands in pockets I notice.
Wouldn't a forklift do the same job a lot quicker ? ! ?
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So it goes ! ! !
- Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse Five -
Whay not a Railwaycrane? It was with a Railwaycrane 100x faster than this construction. So was the work not efficient.
The Bruff was normally called out to do this sort of work. Railcrains are expensive to run and have very limited access to small lines like this one because of how heavy they are and size. Where as the Bruff was cheep and quick to get to the work sight being able to get most of the way by road. This especially helps on a branch line and you need to get to the other end of the train.
Aaron Cook thank you for the answer
7 detonators where they trying to blow the wheels of the road railer
Makes a change from Muricans shipping in a army of equipment 👍
Quite the Pigs Breakfast 🚑
Why not get a railroad crane? They would have finished in no time.
This method doesn't work on a Class 1 US freight diesel. Way too heavy.
MrPLC999
This is mid 1980’s, and the jacks will lift 120tonnes each, I was a supervisor doing this job in England for 12 years, not sure how heavy your locos are but remember you only lift one end at a time. The jacks are German, made by a company called MFD.
hope this helps?
This method does work in the US, I’m a conductor that has assisted in a few small derailments and this is exactly what we did.
When they built new piers for Glasgow's Kingston Bridge, they lifted the bridge with hydraulic jacks, demolished the old piers, built new ones, and lowered the bridge onto them. The bridge remained in service during the whole process. If they can do that, I'm pretty sure they can jack up a locomotive of any size or weight.
The producer has just shot himself!🤣
was that world war 2
No, not at all.
Was there no JCB handy?
Bruff ran over the dets and flag🤣
That antiquated bull-head track probably had something to do with it.
lol at 1234 watch out for that
this game not realy...
FAKE
Why do you think it's fake?
cjmillsnun This whole operation. It was just a publicity stunt.
Wouldn't Say It Was Fake More Like A Test To Give Practice To Everyone In Case This Happen
1madaboutguitar Don't be so fucking stupid!
1madaboutguitar I am a member of the breakdown crew for db schenker and I can assure you there was nothing fake about that. Companys dont let you derail their valuable rolling stock just so you can practice.