I actually clipped this for.a.friend that has the 2022 AMD version of this 15L. Anyone who owns this case knows what's the best GPU it can handle under 300 with the PSU and a 65w CPU? I was thinking the 4060, but wondering if the B570 (unreleased) would be a good option.
Oh what?! This still works?! My god I've been using such a long-winded way of bypassing this issue, so glad to hear this method still works. I thought Microsoft had caught this ages ago
Many here will frown at a pre-built PC, but you made a valid point in saying that not everyone has the time or knowledge to build their own rig. For those people, something like this is perfect. It´s not expensive, they can browse the web, stream movies and do some light gaming. Funny thing is that most of those people aren´t the audience for a channel like Hardware Canucks, so they won´t be seeing this review.
I do agree with what you're saying. I will however point any friends, to this video, that are looking to get into gaming or are looking for a cheap computer
@@thetechrealist I don't think they do when it comes to computers. Stuff like cars and TVs they'll research all day because the features they offer are simple for anyone to understand. When it comes to buying a PC, they're going to find their most techie friend or relative and have them tell them what's the best thing to buy for the price they're willing to pay. In effect, this video might get to them in a roundabout way of said techie suggesting a computer like this.
Judging by the exterior, I can all but guarantee that's just an HP EliteDesk 800 SFF repackaged with a GPU and some RGB. I daily drive one, it's wayyyy better than a secondhand OptiPlex.
That's changing. You'll notice a broader focus on affordable stuff this year. However, sometimes the more expensive things can't be avoided since that's all manufacturers offer us. We're pushing them VERY hard to change that stance though.
The i5-14400F should score 16,000+ in Cinebench 23 Not 12,995 HP gimps Intel CPU's because the case has one 92mm exhaust fan and lackluster CPU cooler ,thermals are a hugh problem and both fans are propitiatory, you can't swap them out for better solution's The MB is propitiatory, it won't work in another case as the IO and ports are soldered to it The fans are very loud under load, I should know, I own one The PSU is propitiatory A lot of negatives were missed here
Proprietary hardware sucks. I had a Dell XPS with a 3070 I bought during covid as it was cheaper than the 3070 on its own. To put it in a nicer case with more space I had to buy a new Case, PSU and Fans. Frustrating.
Nice video, while most of us in your audience may have less than a glowing opinion of this rig, I'll definitely point any friends to this video that might be looking for a less expensive entry to computers.
@@HardwareCanucks and you ain't upgrading that PSU without some serious fenagalry. Still, it's likely a great buy for those that just want to buy and be done with it
I watch this sort of budget gaming PC content on other channels, but I would happily watch it here too! I love stats, and I'm fairly certain you have a better lab than the other channels I watch, so I want to see more stats in the next video! Also, I'm always happy to see Eber making content he enjoys.
One of the benefits of that machine is how portable it is, it could be a good option for someone who moves their equipment around but doesn't have the need for a laptop, or wants something a little more versatile. It's a good size, it's light enough to be on a bookshelf and would do the job for many. Personally I'd call it home-premium rather than gaming. It's a bit of a multi use machine and could be a good entry point into gaming or an alternative to a console.
They went as cheap as they possibly could on that hardware, PSU only 350W, sub-average cooling, single-fan RTX with possibly no good fit for a dual fan card upgrade, 2.0 USB ports, it's probably a very profitable product and will be throw-away for the consumer.
I mean it’s $550… we are in the era of current gen (new- not used) graphics cards being the cost of this whole average lol. I’m sure the margins are still great for them- but still, you don’t find much priced this way prebuilt. Ofc if you go used and build yourself you could make something better.
Great content! I like the focus on value the channel has taken lately, it feels closer to its roots. A little machine like this one would be great for an affordable emulation box. Talking about HP, here I'm hoping you get to review the Omnibook Ultra Flip 14 with the 288v, it's to the other end of the value spectrum but virtually no one has reviewed a laptop with that Lunar Lake SKU to see if it reaches the promised single thread performance.
I used to build thousands of PCs,so not that excited about building one, but I do insist on standard sized parts. HP and Dell are the worst, but sometimes a small pos will do.
The computer has single-channel RAM, proprietary motherboard and power supply. While the price tag is appealing to beginner and non tech-savvy consumers, this PC is destined for the landfill the moment its user wants to upgrade anything (RAM for instance, cannot expect beginners to know that motherboard is picky). It is literally in the same boat as all the DELLs from Gamer Nexus. You cannot be serious that this is a good fit for someone to start in their PC journey.
1) Not everyone upgrades, some people just buy a newer pc every few years 2) As a first and cheap pc its fine to start their PC journer 3) For the price of course its compromised in design, but thats why its an option for low end gaming
Looks a lot like my old Dell Optiplex. Too many proprietary parts is always the issue with these types of PC’s. But having said that my Dell still works very well after ten years for 90% of everyday needs.
Interesting you should say that because there's a whole community built around Optiplex upgrades and optimizations. Based on what we've seen on Reddit, the same thing might be building around some of these cheap HP builds too. We will see though.
@westfield90 i have an old (ish) g5 prebuilt, and the best MacGyver upgrade was adding another fan and drilling a bunch of holes in the side of the case.
@@wellallnasib yes I know, but this is a prebuilt and it comes with licensed windows, very little trouble shooting trouble, easy warranty claim etc. I can very much build a better custom pc in this budget.
imo its e-waste. 3050 can barely keep up when it was new. I dont get why any would spend money on e-waste. Pay more and keep for 8-10 years. Stop wasting money on crap....oh gut only 8gb ram -,- Gets worse and worse. People who are in this space would not even know to upgrade their ram.
Definitely nice. As a person on a budget and limited time, its difficult to determine if a pc is good or if i am overpaying. If you could do an educational series on what someone like myself should look for in prebuilt, that would be excellent.
Thanks for the review. Interesting to see equipment types used at this price point. The points about pre-built vs custom make the case for me. I will continue to custom build…for now.
Nice review. This is solidly in the recommended for non-technical relatives category. This thing would last my mom or sister 10 years. It's only e-waste if it stops working.
The custom pieces make the upgrade path non-existent aside from (maybe) the GPU. I mean, only one PCIe power cable on a 350W unit? What else besides a 4060 can you add? And it's a shame that the new Arc B580 probably won't run as well on this machine too.
Yeah, that's one of the issues with these pre built systems. HP is typically quite bad for using custom boards and then stopping support quite early in their life cycles.
So many from the peanut gallery that misunderstand the whole point of this video. Thanks to HC for sharing something that we can link to friends and family who come asking for PC buying advice. As well, if any consumer out there see's this PC at Costco and does just a little bit of research, hopefully this video comes up in their search and they can know what they are getting.
I bought a similar HP system 2 years ago and added more memory, additional HD and upgraded the GPU and PSU. The PSU was a pain because you can't use a standard PSU, you need to find one that works with the motherboard. Anyways, my son uses it for school and gaming, and it works just fine. Enjoy this type of video, please make more.
Looks like a solid machine for a good price. Would be a great option for a family that has a limited budget for multiple computers/consoles etc. because this would be a great basic computing machine that also would perform like a PS4 / PS4 pro in gaming. Not everything has to be “enthusiast grade” (and as a budget-conscious enthusiast who has been rocking a Ryzen 5 1600 AF / RX 580 rig until very recently, you can absolutely game on these specs)
I actually like the Victus line they are decent bang for your buck from HP, I got the Victus 15 Laptop when it was one sale for under 500 for some light gaming and photo editing when traveling after a ram and Storage upgrade pretty solid
5:26 .... *There is space enough, to put an SSD on that 'back plate' you toke off, at **4:55** !* Besides that , is there ONLY an OUT fan , no IN fan ? BTW What is the CL, on that one 3200Mhz ram stick ?
What concerns me the most is having to replace that non-standard PSU. Pre-builts are notorious for having subpar PSUs that begin to whine a few months into use.
I own one, the MB is propitiatory as the IO / USB ports & power button are all soldered to it, it has one propitiatory 92mm exhaust fan that is very loud under load and no place to install more. Mine came with an i7-12700 and an RTX 3060 that thermal throttled in the blink of an eye I sold the CPU & GPU and recently installed a i5-12400 and 1660 super on the cheap, its a secondary computer and I would never recommend them
That is a perfectly acceptable daily use pc. I have a tiny little "micro-cube" pc, with an alder-lake based N95 Celeron that I got off Amazon for only $99 bucks, usd. I have it pared with an older 1080P, 40", non-smart tv and I can browse the internet with ease. The tv and pc together consume about 70 watts while streaming yt videos or movies. The windows 11 product key alone is worth the cost of purchase. I'm not suggesting win11 is a good value at $99, just that _that_ is the retail price of a win11 key.
Main problem is you get propiratary shit that you cant reuse later on and upgrades are head ake. The bay plug an play is at the cost of one purpus device that will by a trow away fast and you luse most of the perofrmance out of the CPU and GPU as the VRM and PSU are not suted to make the best out of the CPU nor GPU. This are the tipes of PC's that shoud by newer build as they are bad from teh start but sompanys like HP and Dell are pusing out and most times to hig price then what they are worth it.
I'd like to see an episode with the machine upgraded with different GPU options. A B580, 4060, 7600, 7600xt, 3060 and whatever else falls within the power limitations.
For the price there’s really not much to complain. Even more so for a branded pre-build. I personally would spend more and go for 4060 but 3050 is definitely “playable”
My SSUPD has four usb a and one usb c on the front, while using the front extension bracket, whole thing is 15L too and runs happily a 5900x and 4070ti - plus, imho, looks a bit nicer. I put speaker feet on it that have noise isolating rubber grommets in them and the whole thing is fairly silent. (and standard components so can be upgraded)
Honestly if there was more room for mounting your own hard drives this would've been a no brainer for me to get as a solid home server/NAS box. The $550 price point is comparable to a QNAP 4 bay I was looking at.
Best GPU upgrade would probably be a RTX 4060, you'd have a pretty competent rig for 1080p gaming. Add another idential stick of RAM and it's a great little rig.
I love small siza PCs (this small, not much more), what I don't like are proprietary components. But, considering the amount of horse power you get at the price + a Windows Licence, this one is not that bad.
2:00 I'll always prefer there be at least a few USB 2.0 ports since 3.0 ports aren't as good at holding USB 2.0 devices I've had issues where 3.0 ports will cause interference with wireless mice/keyboards.
I built my son a PC with a RX 6600 (which is more powerful) with a nicer case and better motherboard for probably $60 less than this and that was over a year ago. I didn't include a windows license in that price.
@@theweekendgamer6294 Not always. If you buy a machine being discontinued you can sometimes get a really low price. I did once, and at the time the same components would cost about 30% more in total. Sure it would have been a better machine for improvements, but for the price it was really decent. When I bought it the 1080 was just released but the machine I got had a 970. When the 2070 Super was released I upgraded and had to replace the power supply as the one in the machine was just too weak. That's why I say a machine I had built would have been better for future improvements. Now I used one I already had so it was no big deal for me, but for someone without a lot of parts around it would have meant they would have to buy a new PSU also. And suddenly swapping in a new GPU got a lot more expensive. So a pre built should be bought primarily because you don't want to build your own. But there are also times when they get your pretty good price for the parts beating what you could have done if you tried to build a computer meeting the same total price. In addition to that you get the luxury of having a real warranty for the machine in case something fail. That's also worth something.
If this was anymore expensive, this would be a no go. But that price makes it something I could recommend. I'm surprised they didn't sneak an optical drive in, something like a laptop style drive. That would make it an easier recommendation to me.
I always found it very hard to have an out of the box light (60fps 1080p is fine) gaming desktop solution so I built every pc myself, as adding a half decent graphics card usually meant that was cheaper. With this one though, not too shabby! I switched to Mac and an ROG Ally by now but if I hadn't, I'd probably pick one of these up. If I lived in Canada that is. That same PC is 1116CAD here in the Netherlands. Yeah no.
Seems nice but I worry about longevity. From experience those consumer class PCs from HP tend to blow out there mobos and or PSUs somewhere between right out of the warranty period (13th mont) to 3 years at least back then they used standard ATX PSUs. The store I use to work out completely stopped carrying all HP consumer desktops for this reason. (the business side like prodesk, elitedesk and Z are always solid i think in 20 years we had 5 dead ones and one of those was DOA)
6GB of Vram is criminally low, and the 350W power supply means it'll be hard to upgrade. I'm pretty sure there are games on the market right now, that would be unplayable on 6GB. Remember Vram can't be reduced by just lowering the resolution. Because Vram is where the GPU stores... everything it deals with. Things like Lowering texture resolution , lowering LOD ,m or turning off tesselation could help if the game allows it. But Vram is not always possible to fix by lowering settings. General low framerate is, just lower resolution. But maxed out Vram is difficult or impossible to fix. I hope the power envelope can handle an Intel Battlemage, or Radeon with decent vram.
Never put the power profile to high performance. It will keep the cpu at the highest voltage/clock speed while iddle. In laptops, this will cut the battery life from 4 hours to 45 minutes.
Eh, it's alright, spec wise, it's not bad at all, though the motherboard is gimped as far as the I/O is concerned, with most ports on the front. That said, no USB c or USB 3.1, or 3.2 anything. The black cap may be for a VGA that is now obsolete. The 14th gen i5 is fine, good for more than the bare basics. Even the 3050 has been gimped with the memory according to your replies. But the old saying goes, you get what you are paying for. For someone that needs a newish PC on a budget, this isn't bad. I rocked an old eMachines that once was my mother's. She got it (with my help) in 2005, so a Celeron with 512MB of memory and a 40GB HDD. Not the worst thing out there, the Intel motherboard was decent enough, even if no AGP slot for graphics. That was reserved for the top flight model with AMD processor, at $600 US. Her's was $500 Intel with the Celeron D and now AGP slot. Came with keyboard and mouse and speakers. I brought it home after her death in 2012 and used it for media storage, capturing analog audio etc. Still ran XP so no longer capable of online service and I think it was last year I e-wasted it. The major issue was the PSU went and I found a ready replacement (used) and got it up and running soon enough. Today, I am building a new box, ATX motherboard with the core 7 Ultra CPU in tower configuration to replace a 7th gen i5 based SFF PC as my daily driver and it's also for video editing. While not the worst there is, it is decent enough, and update enough to stick around for a while, which is something to appreciate for a lower end prebuilt machine.
I bought two for my in-laws. Of course they won’t do any gaming but it is great for internet, emails and solitaire. The good news is my Costco just cleared them out so I got them for $599 CDN. The other good news It was not full of bloatware. I only had to remove Mccaffee
This is a proprietary, locked-down dead end. It is a "good start" if you're happy to dispose of the things you use every few years. People are already trained to do this with phones, cars, appliances, so why not everything else amirite?
We've got more hockey puck load-bearing CPU coolers, multiple-decade old chassis, single stick of memory, close to zero airflow, and proprietary form factors that will just lead this PC straight to the dump. Yay!
This PC is for grandmas and grandpas to keep in touch with their family, and nothing more. To even think about opening it up or upgrading it is a total waste of time and money.
If it wasn't for the proprietary mobo I would say that this is a steal. but unfortunately this has no legs to grow with the user. I guess it's up to the user if they value being able to upgrade their PC and save money in the long run over a $200 saving right now and not being able to do it.
i mean yes computers at this price exist but now the M4 Mac Mini has spawned and just triumphs for how much next-gen tech it has inside. granted you lose upgradeability
A big thank you for the hint on how to bypass the Microsoft account signup at 3:09. I will definitely use it for the next installation!!
I actually clipped this for.a.friend that has the 2022 AMD version of this 15L. Anyone who owns this case knows what's the best GPU it can handle under 300 with the PSU and a 65w CPU? I was thinking the 4060, but wondering if the B570 (unreleased) would be a good option.
@@TDP808 If the board supports Resizable BAR - it should be fine with the B570 I would say. Or maybe find a cheap 4060 should be good as well.
@@phucnguyen0110 Can confirm it has support for Resizable BAR.
Oh what?! This still works?! My god I've been using such a long-winded way of bypassing this issue, so glad to hear this method still works. I thought Microsoft had caught this ages ago
@@cj_zak1681 The video shows that it works. The rest are just your opinions 😀
Many here will frown at a pre-built PC, but you made a valid point in saying that not everyone has the time or knowledge to build their own rig. For those people, something like this is perfect. It´s not expensive, they can browse the web, stream movies and do some light gaming. Funny thing is that most of those people aren´t the audience for a channel like Hardware Canucks, so they won´t be seeing this review.
I do agree with what you're saying. I will however point any friends, to this video, that are looking to get into gaming or are looking for a cheap computer
I disagree on the last point.
Poor people do the most research so they will find this video
I'm glad you didn't make an absolute statement cause I'm most definitely the minority.
@@thetechrealist I don't think they do when it comes to computers. Stuff like cars and TVs they'll research all day because the features they offer are simple for anyone to understand. When it comes to buying a PC, they're going to find their most techie friend or relative and have them tell them what's the best thing to buy for the price they're willing to pay. In effect, this video might get to them in a roundabout way of said techie suggesting a computer like this.
@@thetechrealist "Poor people do the most research so they will find this video" - damn, I've never felt called out this hard T_T
This was a cool video! Loved seeing just how some prebuilts aren't necessarily scamming people if they have reasonable expectations.
The amount of people here saying they can build a better one for less are insufferable. 1. DUH 2. The point of pre-builts is COMPLETELY lost on you.
Judging by the exterior, I can all but guarantee that's just an HP EliteDesk 800 SFF repackaged with a GPU and some RGB.
I daily drive one, it's wayyyy better than a secondhand OptiPlex.
Explains a lot of the quirks, like the two SATA ports, etc.
Good catch!
Finally an interesting video. You guys were doing too many expensive, impractical laptop videos that nobody was interested in.
Can I also add “nobody can afford” 😂
speak for yourself, i like the impractical setup videos.
That's changing. You'll notice a broader focus on affordable stuff this year. However, sometimes the more expensive things can't be avoided since that's all manufacturers offer us. We're pushing them VERY hard to change that stance though.
This needs more likes
Many can afford it thats why they keep making them.@@SinkLikeStone
The i5-14400F should score 16,000+ in Cinebench 23 Not 12,995 HP gimps Intel CPU's because the case has one 92mm exhaust fan and lackluster CPU cooler ,thermals are a hugh problem and both fans are propitiatory, you can't swap them out for better solution's The MB is propitiatory, it won't work in another case as the IO and ports are soldered to it The fans are very loud under load, I should know, I own one The PSU is propitiatory A lot of negatives were missed here
Proprietary hardware sucks. I had a Dell XPS with a 3070 I bought during covid as it was cheaper than the 3070 on its own. To put it in a nicer case with more space I had to buy a new Case, PSU and Fans. Frustrating.
5:44 In the US, breaking that seal has no legal effect at all. See the Magnuson Moss Warranty-Federal Trade Commission Improvements Act of 1975.
HardwareCanucks is a canadian channel.
@andremartinez418
Which is why I specified "in the US."
Nice video, while most of us in your audience may have less than a glowing opinion of this rig, I'll definitely point any friends to this video that might be looking for a less expensive entry to computers.
Looking forward to a follow up where you upgrade what components you can 😉. In all seriousness, nice video & it’s a great find for starting off.
It will be interesting to see, especially with the PSU restriction.
@@HardwareCanucks and you ain't upgrading that PSU without some serious fenagalry. Still, it's likely a great buy for those that just want to buy and be done with it
Great video guys, love to see this kind of content but in your style. Nice
I watch this sort of budget gaming PC content on other channels, but I would happily watch it here too! I love stats, and I'm fairly certain you have a better lab than the other channels I watch, so I want to see more stats in the next video! Also, I'm always happy to see Eber making content he enjoys.
I thought this video was a joke until I realized how weak the Canadian dollar was.
Right? $800 for ANY PC is worth looking at for some people who might need one but can't afford something higher end.
@@HardwareCanucks
$800 US Dollars easily gets you a pre-built on sale with a 4060 in the USA.
One of the benefits of that machine is how portable it is, it could be a good option for someone who moves their equipment around but doesn't have the need for a laptop, or wants something a little more versatile. It's a good size, it's light enough to be on a bookshelf and would do the job for many.
Personally I'd call it home-premium rather than gaming. It's a bit of a multi use machine and could be a good entry point into gaming or an alternative to a console.
That 3050 is a deal breaker. IDC if it costs 250 $US... an RX 6600 would've been a better buy. Its cheaper and way faster imo
The 6GB 3050 is a cut down version. Should have been called a 3040. Deceptive marketing name.
Technically this is the cut down 3050 too.
Actually there is an 8GB version with less CUDA cores too.
Same or 3060
@@HardwareCanucks You really have to look what you are buying when shopping NVIDIA gpu's, there's so much different versions for same cards.
Glad you finally are reviewing afford PC products 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The little nods to upgradability are nice given that its not the market they're playing in
intel finishing with F mean no igpu, the external hdmi for it is "useless"
right?
10:06 thats a huge difference! Look at the flatness of the frametime graph, single channel is looking like a mountainscape
They went as cheap as they possibly could on that hardware, PSU only 350W, sub-average cooling, single-fan RTX with possibly no good fit for a dual fan card upgrade, 2.0 USB ports, it's probably a very profitable product and will be throw-away for the consumer.
I mean it’s $550… we are in the era of current gen (new- not used) graphics cards being the cost of this whole average lol. I’m sure the margins are still great for them- but still, you don’t find much priced this way prebuilt. Ofc if you go used and build yourself you could make something better.
And guess what? Normal price for this here in Canada was....$1100.
Ouuf 💀
@@HardwareCanucks Ouch, that is terrible. Well blame Trudeau imo, he really messed up your Country in more ways than one.
highly doubt you can upgrade that PSU either thanks to HP's proprietary mobo
Great content! I like the focus on value the channel has taken lately, it feels closer to its roots.
A little machine like this one would be great for an affordable emulation box.
Talking about HP, here I'm hoping you get to review the Omnibook Ultra Flip 14 with the 288v, it's to the other end of the value spectrum but virtually no one has reviewed a laptop with that Lunar Lake SKU to see if it reaches the promised single thread performance.
I used to build thousands of PCs,so not that excited about building one, but I do insist on standard sized parts. HP and Dell are the worst, but sometimes a small pos will do.
The computer has single-channel RAM, proprietary motherboard and power supply. While the price tag is appealing to beginner and non tech-savvy consumers, this PC is destined for the landfill the moment its user wants to upgrade anything (RAM for instance, cannot expect beginners to know that motherboard is picky). It is literally in the same boat as all the DELLs from Gamer Nexus. You cannot be serious that this is a good fit for someone to start in their PC journey.
1) Not everyone upgrades, some people just buy a newer pc every few years
2) As a first and cheap pc its fine to start their PC journer
3) For the price of course its compromised in design, but thats why its an option for low end gaming
Looks a lot like my old Dell Optiplex. Too many proprietary parts is always the issue with these types of PC’s. But having said that my Dell still works very well after ten years for 90% of everyday needs.
Interesting you should say that because there's a whole community built around Optiplex upgrades and optimizations. Based on what we've seen on Reddit, the same thing might be building around some of these cheap HP builds too. We will see though.
@@HardwareCanucksyeah. I did upgrade the storage and ram but basically that’s all I could do without getting too McGyverish 🤣
@westfield90 i have an old (ish) g5 prebuilt, and the best MacGyver upgrade was adding another fan and drilling a bunch of holes in the side of the case.
3050 alone costs 250 USD in my country. This is a solid deal imo.
Arc B580 can be had for 250, look it up it can be found in most countries currently.
@@wellallnasib yes I know, but this is a prebuilt and it comes with licensed windows, very little trouble shooting trouble, easy warranty claim etc. I can very much build a better custom pc in this budget.
@@wellallnasibarc b580 would probably perform about the same with this CPU. Too much driver overhead
@@wellallnasibno it cant the B580 is out of stock everywhere
imo its e-waste. 3050 can barely keep up when it was new. I dont get why any would spend money on e-waste. Pay more and keep for 8-10 years. Stop wasting money on crap....oh gut only 8gb ram -,- Gets worse and worse. People who are in this space would not even know to upgrade their ram.
Thank you for such a detailed explanation. Not to mention that little tip to bypass Microsoft's irritating request to sacrufice your firstborn.
Definitely nice. As a person on a budget and limited time, its difficult to determine if a pc is good or if i am overpaying. If you could do an educational series on what someone like myself should look for in prebuilt, that would be excellent.
Thanks for the review. Interesting to see equipment types used at this price point. The points about pre-built vs custom make the case for me. I will continue to custom build…for now.
Nice review. This is solidly in the recommended for non-technical relatives category. This thing would last my mom or sister 10 years. It's only e-waste if it stops working.
Just build a 5600g or 8600g. No need for gpu. Budget 400-600 bucks easy.
The custom pieces make the upgrade path non-existent aside from (maybe) the GPU. I mean, only one PCIe power cable on a 350W unit? What else besides a 4060 can you add? And it's a shame that the new Arc B580 probably won't run as well on this machine too.
Yeah, that's one of the issues with these pre built systems. HP is typically quite bad for using custom boards and then stopping support quite early in their life cycles.
So many from the peanut gallery that misunderstand the whole point of this video. Thanks to HC for sharing something that we can link to friends and family who come asking for PC buying advice. As well, if any consumer out there see's this PC at Costco and does just a little bit of research, hopefully this video comes up in their search and they can know what they are getting.
You cant make a build with all new parts for the same price that beats this. Solid deal
I bought a similar HP system 2 years ago and added more memory, additional HD and upgraded the GPU and PSU. The PSU was a pain because you can't use a standard PSU, you need to find one that works with the motherboard. Anyways, my son uses it for school and gaming, and it works just fine. Enjoy this type of video, please make more.
Looks like a solid machine for a good price. Would be a great option for a family that has a limited budget for multiple computers/consoles etc. because this would be a great basic computing machine that also would perform like a PS4 / PS4 pro in gaming. Not everything has to be “enthusiast grade” (and as a budget-conscious enthusiast who has been rocking a Ryzen 5 1600 AF / RX 580 rig until very recently, you can absolutely game on these specs)
I actually like the Victus line they are decent bang for your buck from HP, I got the Victus 15 Laptop when it was one sale for under 500 for some light gaming and photo editing when traveling after a ram and Storage upgrade pretty solid
actually made me watch one of your videos for once. nothing against you guys but same applies to any channels that i follow. great stuff
I would love to see a whole series like this. I kind of just don’t feel like putting together a computer anymore.
5:26 .... *There is space enough, to put an SSD on that 'back plate' you toke off, at **4:55** !* Besides that , is there ONLY an OUT fan , no IN fan ?
BTW What is the CL, on that one 3200Mhz ram stick ?
CL = CAS Latency, a measure of how quickly RAM responds to a request for data
That fans screams under load, he should have mentioned it
That case looks cool. It'd be cool if they made some holes for fans and sold it separately.
The front ports and power button are soldered to the motherboard That case requires a propitiatory HP motherboard which uses propitiatory components
Great video - was looking exactly for this. You were playing games in 1080p - does the video card support 4K gaming? 4K video?
What concerns me the most is having to replace that non-standard PSU. Pre-builts are notorious for having subpar PSUs that begin to whine a few months into use.
Did it come with a screwdriver?
No, but it did come with an antistatic bracelet
@@evilleader1991 NICE!
Please post more videos like this so people who cant afford the more expensive laptops can see there are options.
I own one, the MB is propitiatory as the IO / USB ports & power button are all soldered to it, it has one propitiatory 92mm exhaust fan that is very loud under load and no place to install more. Mine came with an i7-12700 and an RTX 3060 that thermal throttled in the blink of an eye I sold the CPU & GPU and recently installed a i5-12400 and 1660 super on the cheap, its a secondary computer and I would never recommend them
Interesting video. Please do a follow-up if Costco ever has one with a newer AMD APU.
That is a perfectly acceptable daily use pc. I have a tiny little "micro-cube" pc, with an alder-lake based N95 Celeron that I got off Amazon for only $99 bucks, usd. I have it pared with an older 1080P, 40", non-smart tv and I can browse the internet with ease. The tv and pc together consume about 70 watts while streaming yt videos or movies. The windows 11 product key alone is worth the cost of purchase. I'm not suggesting win11 is a good value at $99, just that _that_ is the retail price of a win11 key.
Main problem is you get propiratary shit that you cant reuse later on and upgrades are head ake. The bay plug an play is at the cost of one purpus device that will by a trow away fast and you luse most of the perofrmance out of the CPU and GPU as the VRM and PSU are not suted to make the best out of the CPU nor GPU.
This are the tipes of PC's that shoud by newer build as they are bad from teh start but sompanys like HP and Dell are pusing out and most times to hig price then what they are worth it.
It's an HP Pavilion with a darker paint job and a graphics card slapped into it.
ltt screwdriver without using the ratcheting? 😀
Great real review. thanks
I'd like to see an episode with the machine upgraded with different GPU options. A B580, 4060, 7600, 7600xt, 3060 and whatever else falls within the power limitations.
I'm quite fond with the case dimension and lots of USB IOs + 3.5 audio/mic. Any cases similar to it with better airflow?
For the price there’s really not much to complain. Even more so for a branded pre-build. I personally would spend more and go for 4060 but 3050 is definitely “playable”
The high quality budget production made the Cosco PC premium, ngl even the previous budget hardware
HP puts things on sale for less than anyone else can all the time
My SSUPD has four usb a and one usb c on the front, while using the front extension bracket, whole thing is 15L too and runs happily a 5900x and 4070ti - plus, imho, looks a bit nicer. I put speaker feet on it that have noise isolating rubber grommets in them and the whole thing is fairly silent. (and standard components so can be upgraded)
Honestly if there was more room for mounting your own hard drives this would've been a no brainer for me to get as a solid home server/NAS box. The $550 price point is comparable to a QNAP 4 bay I was looking at.
Best GPU upgrade would probably be a RTX 4060, you'd have a pretty competent rig for 1080p gaming. Add another idential stick of RAM and it's a great little rig.
I love small siza PCs (this small, not much more), what I don't like are proprietary components. But, considering the amount of horse power you get at the price + a Windows Licence, this one is not that bad.
The memory issues were likely lack of jedec compatibility/fallback. The lexar kit having 3200cl22 is surprising though... Assuming that is the case
This channel used to be about cases. I do miss that
2:00 I'll always prefer there be at least a few USB 2.0 ports since 3.0 ports aren't as good at holding USB 2.0 devices I've had issues where 3.0 ports will cause interference with wireless mice/keyboards.
Yes, 3.0 connected device into 3.0 port, wil make interferences with wireless devices, if those are behind.
I wonder if I play Black Ops Cold War on 1080p native no upscale on maximum settings.
the 1% and 0.1% lows look way better with dual channel ram (at least what i can tell from the graph)
I built my son a PC with a RX 6600 (which is more powerful) with a nicer case and better motherboard for probably $60 less than this and that was over a year ago. I didn't include a windows license in that price.
Building your own will always be cheaper than paying someone else to do it. This isn't news.
@@theweekendgamer6294 Not always. If you buy a machine being discontinued you can sometimes get a really low price. I did once, and at the time the same components would cost about 30% more in total. Sure it would have been a better machine for improvements, but for the price it was really decent. When I bought it the 1080 was just released but the machine I got had a 970. When the 2070 Super was released I upgraded and had to replace the power supply as the one in the machine was just too weak. That's why I say a machine I had built would have been better for future improvements. Now I used one I already had so it was no big deal for me, but for someone without a lot of parts around it would have meant they would have to buy a new PSU also. And suddenly swapping in a new GPU got a lot more expensive.
So a pre built should be bought primarily because you don't want to build your own. But there are also times when they get your pretty good price for the parts beating what you could have done if you tried to build a computer meeting the same total price. In addition to that you get the luxury of having a real warranty for the machine in case something fail. That's also worth something.
You said it has 4 2.0 USB ports on the back. But two of those were lighter coloured, so maybe they were 3.0?
If this was anymore expensive, this would be a no go. But that price makes it something I could recommend. I'm surprised they didn't sneak an optical drive in, something like a laptop style drive. That would make it an easier recommendation to me.
you could add cosco membership cost on to it and you forgot to mention temps on this usual hp case
Temperatures are there. :)
I always found it very hard to have an out of the box light (60fps 1080p is fine) gaming desktop solution so I built every pc myself, as adding a half decent graphics card usually meant that was cheaper. With this one though, not too shabby! I switched to Mac and an ROG Ally by now but if I hadn't, I'd probably pick one of these up. If I lived in Canada that is. That same PC is 1116CAD here in the Netherlands. Yeah no.
Seems nice but I worry about longevity. From experience those consumer class PCs from HP tend to blow out there mobos and or PSUs somewhere between right out of the warranty period (13th mont) to 3 years at least back then they used standard ATX PSUs. The store I use to work out completely stopped carrying all HP consumer desktops for this reason. (the business side like prodesk, elitedesk and Z are always solid i think in 20 years we had 5 dead ones and one of those was DOA)
An AMD 7600 at 65w would have made more sense with the power restriction. Fun watch!
6GB of Vram is criminally low, and the 350W power supply means it'll be hard to upgrade. I'm pretty sure there are games on the market right now, that would be unplayable on 6GB. Remember Vram can't be reduced by just lowering the resolution. Because Vram is where the GPU stores... everything it deals with. Things like Lowering texture resolution , lowering LOD ,m or turning off tesselation could help if the game allows it. But Vram is not always possible to fix by lowering settings. General low framerate is, just lower resolution. But maxed out Vram is difficult or impossible to fix.
I hope the power envelope can handle an Intel Battlemage, or Radeon with decent vram.
If the motherboard supporte ReBar then I wonder how this would run with an Intel Arc b580...
Never put the power profile to high performance. It will keep the cpu at the highest voltage/clock speed while iddle. In laptops, this will cut the battery life from 4 hours to 45 minutes.
whats the deal with not using a standard IO plate these days? just locking to the current hardware seems so dumb...
one of the best thing you can do is have a pc like this with good psu and you can literally make it a stable gaming machine with add on gpu
The Victus is the official PC of the YT channel "Toasty Bros" lol, they love buying and building these up all the time.
HP dumped them, plus,the one exhaust fan makes a lot of noise Its a shame thats not mentioned by Toastys or here
Eber now has the beard of a Wiseman. 🧔♂😁
Can you play vr games with this pc? I would be using an oculus quest 2.
Power connector to upgrade gpu is a nice touch.
The front logo goes well with my name (the initial), that's about it. :)
P.S. Seems like okeish computer for small offices for a price.
Eh, it's alright, spec wise, it's not bad at all, though the motherboard is gimped as far as the I/O is concerned, with most ports on the front. That said, no USB c or USB 3.1, or 3.2 anything. The black cap may be for a VGA that is now obsolete. The 14th gen i5 is fine, good for more than the bare basics.
Even the 3050 has been gimped with the memory according to your replies.
But the old saying goes, you get what you are paying for. For someone that needs a newish PC on a budget, this isn't bad. I rocked an old eMachines that once was my mother's. She got it (with my help) in 2005, so a Celeron with 512MB of memory and a 40GB HDD. Not the worst thing out there, the Intel motherboard was decent enough, even if no AGP slot for graphics. That was reserved for the top flight model with AMD processor, at $600 US. Her's was $500 Intel with the Celeron D and now AGP slot.
Came with keyboard and mouse and speakers. I brought it home after her death in 2012 and used it for media storage, capturing analog audio etc. Still ran XP so no longer capable of online service and I think it was last year I e-wasted it. The major issue was the PSU went and I found a ready replacement (used) and got it up and running soon enough.
Today, I am building a new box, ATX motherboard with the core 7 Ultra CPU in tower configuration to replace a 7th gen i5 based SFF PC as my daily driver and it's also for video editing.
While not the worst there is, it is decent enough, and update enough to stick around for a while, which is something to appreciate for a lower end prebuilt machine.
Try Sam’s club or BJs warehouse next?😊
Walmart?
Usually Costco items selling for amounts ending in .97 means close out prices.
Supposedly this went as low as $600 CAD...
Love this! Great machine to tempt people away from consoles 😋😅
This is basically an updated HP Pavilion Gaming Desktop - the case is the same, bar the front plastic, and with a new motherboard, not "Baker".
I bought two for my in-laws. Of course they won’t do any gaming but it is great for internet, emails and solitaire. The good news is my Costco just cleared them out so I got them for $599 CDN. The other good news It was not full of bloatware. I only had to remove Mccaffee
Wow....$600 for that is a REALLY good deal.
What mouse are you using?
My first PC was a Victus 15L :)
Same PC at Harvey Norman in EU is almost €1000. Go Harvey Go 😂
Mac always forces you to log in with apple ID and yet you never complain about that
USB 2.0! Head for the hills!😅
This is a proprietary, locked-down dead end. It is a "good start" if you're happy to dispose of the things you use every few years. People are already trained to do this with phones, cars, appliances, so why not everything else amirite?
We've got more hockey puck load-bearing CPU coolers, multiple-decade old chassis, single stick of memory, close to zero airflow, and proprietary form factors that will just lead this PC straight to the dump. Yay!
This PC is for grandmas and grandpas to keep in touch with their family, and nothing more. To even think about opening it up or upgrading it is a total waste of time and money.
If it wasn't for the proprietary mobo I would say that this is a steal. but unfortunately this has no legs to grow with the user.
I guess it's up to the user if they value being able to upgrade their PC and save money in the long run over a $200 saving right now and not being able to do it.
Might just get a M4 Mac Mini instead?
If you don't need gaming, just get the M4 Mac Mini for the same price.
Agree but Mac OS is not for everyone
i mean yes computers at this price exist but now the M4 Mac Mini has spawned and just triumphs for how much next-gen tech it has inside. granted you lose upgradeability
Not a "bad" option for a budget pre built. Not fancy but ok for the price
Reminder that for poor people a windows can be free if you just never pay for a licence