Hell yeah brother! My favorite part about owning a repair shop is saving things from landfills by doing simple upgrades. Especially when the customer has given up completely on the device. Spread the word!
Having watched Tech Tangents repair an IBM 8088 system and Adrian Black repair a Siroc IQ120 serial terminal from the 1970s just prior to watching this video, hearing Jay and Nick talk about how 'ancient' this system is and it being a 'time capsule' was downright hilarious
Adrian is great I'll have to check out Tech Tangents Look up Chris Edwards He's an OG Commodore CATS tech that does Amiga PC repair videos He's done amazing work repairing what some would say is not fix able
I'm currently playing cyberpunk at 1440p 50-60fps medium settings on a i7 4790k and 1080 non ti. It's playable. Needs an upgrade. I just ordered an AMD 3000 series platform so hopefully I'll get better frames
yeah... I played cyberpunk day one on my previous computer just fine in 1080p high (just some heavy option on medium) with a I7 2600k and a GTX 970... Jay did give a little too much credit to the actual overpriced gen ^^
Sometimes people get out of touch with how powerful older tech can be. Like, if that thing can handle VR games, it can probably run most modern games too. Sure, it’s not doing 2K ultra settings or 240fps or anything crazy, but I bet it can handle 720-1080p ultra for new single-player titles or hit 100fps+ in competitive shooters with optimized settings. That setup is far from e-waste and if I’d guess 50% of his subscribers are working with something worse. btw my brother still using my old laptop with 1050M forgot the processor still can handle apex legend 720p medium 60-70fps 70+ when inside building
JAY: I want you to imagine a friend who owns a large car dealership. A friend that hasn't owned a car that's more than a year old in a very long time. On top of that they only ever drive the premium models. They haven't even driven a new budget car. They talk about last year's model as "old". 2 years is "dated". 5 years is "ancient". Then you look over at your 5-10+ year old car. That's what you sound like when you talk about "old computers."
Yea it’s very weird to see a system with a 7th gen i7 that was basically the high end processor for all of 2017, and nvme drives featured in an “e-waste” video. Along with the comment at 14:05 of “maybe I can see if I can find some ddr4” when referring to upgrading the ram seems very tone deaf. I’d wager that ddr4 is still the most prominent ram today and you can probably take on the monumental task of “finding” it at pretty much any retailer. he says it as if it was like looking for an old working vintage agp video card, which usually means scouring local listings or online for a reasonable listing until you find something. It really made me chuckle.
I still have an i7 4790k on a Mini ITX Z97 motherboard paired with 16GB of DDR3 that's going strong at 10 years of age. Good enough to pair it with a 1060 3GB and play some couch/party/light games on the living room. Previous job for it was a server with an Intel A380 for media purposes (didn't need ReBAR to use it properly, motherboard doesn't support, I tried with ReBarUEFI). Before that was my main gaming rig with that same 1060 3GB and before THAT was paired with a R7 260X.
My first build from 1996 still lives. It runs Dos 6.22, WFWG 3.11, Win95 OSR2, Win98 SE, and NT4 sp4 by way of System Commander. I use it to play Duke Nukem and Doom 1-2. Tyan Tomcat 4 server board w single CPU, P233 MMX, 64 Mb 70ns EDO, ATI all in wonder pro, 8 MB, 30Gb IBM DTLA 307030, Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold, ViewSonic G225fB 21" Graphic Series CRT Monitor.
I work as a computer technician at a local computer repair shop, we recycle every machine that comes through our doors that is either unfixable or donated (with consent of the customer of course). We refurbish all of the somewhat decent systems that are used for basic every day tasks and keep the extra spare parts in-case we need them to fix other machines. We only ever throw away bits that are beyond repair, the last one was a phone that was baked in the oven. Most old machines are actually still useable and you'd be surprised how many of the older generation will quickly snatch them up.
I still take in older Dell and HP computers back to the core 2 duo era. I just did a Optiplex 7010 upgraded it to a i7 4790, 12gb ram, 500gb ssd, Win 10 and GTX1650 for a guy that mainly plays Total War Warhammer I & II and all older games on GOG or Steam. Also refurbed a Dell 780 with Core2Duo E8600, 4gb DDR2 800MHZ, Antec 500w psu, Radeon HD3870, 2x velociraptor 10k rpm 300gb hhd for dual boot Win 2000/ Win XP. This guy has a big collection of games in box from about 1995 to 2005 and wanted something to run them. He gave me a few requests like the Velociraptor drives cause he always wanted them along with a HD3870 back in the day. Many of these parts found in good shape are still reliable at least in ny experience. I find it hard to toss old but good working parts especially older high end stuff going back to at least 1998. Once these retro parts are gone there gone. To bad so many good old PC parts get tossed.
That's cool I can't stand my local computer shop as they never have anything in stock and always tell you they get to you in a week. That's why I never buy locally.
He might be assuming they were going to play native settings not upscaling and frame gen included, but thanks to AMD even old Nvidia cards gain this advantage
@@burrfoottopknot yeah, but Jay was talking about 1080p and the footage with the upscaling and frame gen was at 1440p. i have a 1070, and without all the FSR stuff, i get around 35-ish fps in cyberpunk with all settings maxxed out at 1080p (without RT obviously). but yeah, FSR is a life saver because when i turn on upscaling and frame gen, it goes up to about 80-90 fps and still looks good.
I work in a primary school, you'd be amazed how much help obsolete pc's are. Speaking to a couple of companies who were upgrading and taking the old ones without storage made so much difference to the teachers and children.
I graduated high school in 96. I took computer science classes from 5th grade until I graduated. We were on Apple 2 C'' and E's until my JR year of high school. IDk if it's better today, but man it's sad how behind the technological curve school's are.
@Davivd2 over the last 12 months, using donations, the whole school has gone from 3rd gen intel to 7th and 8th gen intel. Even got a gt1030 for the office machine that runs the cctv. Got some second hand SSDs and ram. The worst part is it made a HUGE difference, I mean classroom changing learning difference.
I personally think it should be mandatory for schools to get first refusal on companies who are getting rid of old hardware. Doesn't matter how or what kids learn on, as learn as they are learning.
I was volunteering for a co op that recycled e waste PCs back in early 2000s. The PCs usually came from commercial use and we would repair, clean and upgrade them for use in classrooms. We would take Pentium 2s and up and refurbish.
The explanation of the gutted fan chassis spacer on the AIO made me look over at my own AIO and go, "Huh! No shit?! I have spare fans I can gut for that mod." Thanks, Jay! 🥳
they sell spacers on aliexpress and similar sites that are like 5mm thick and they are really good at reducing the noise of every fan that is in contact with a grill (like intake fans on a case).
@@lyianx Everyone acts like PCI-E 3 NVME drives are sooooooo slow. They're still multiple times faster than SATA drives and usually can be had a touch cheaper. I can only imagine you can find a 10/20+ core Xeon for lunch money.
@@dafirnz Unlike the older LGA2011 the LGA2066 Xeons only work on C422 workstation boards, so the consumer X299 is limited to Core i7 and i9 7000X, 9000X and 10000X series CPUs
Save that 128GB drive! When I built my NAS, I threw in my old 120GB SATA SSD as a cache and it helped immensely! I ran iSCSI back to my desktop and just played games installed directly off the NAS.
@@christopherburden999 my previous card was gtx 970 i had it from 2014 until 2021 when it died and then i got rx 6700xt rred devil MINE MONSTER PC IS RYZEN 7 1700 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL MP 600 2TB WRITE 4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S DELL P2416DD 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
I love pushing for less e-waste, but this was funny: "Just a little wipe down... now it doesn't have so much of that 'we found it at Goodwill' look"... You know, since you so often find Fractal Design cases at Goodwill. :D
@@johnt.848 The Goodwill locations in my area here in the southern US will take them, but they don't clean them beyond a surface wipe down, & will WAY WAY over price them vs. the specs, so I see them sitting for a very long time, and then they will put a cheap as dirt price on rare Sony 5:4 LCD Monitor, then put beyond eBay pricing on a trashed PS2 that has no way to test if it's working, and the really really good stuff they get will be sent to processing center to go on their website for for even more inflated prices, so yeah it's all over the place, and I say Goodwill needs to get their heads out their backside, and train people to know their prices, make them more fair so they can sell stuff, and not have it sit there till they are forced to send it to e-waste.
I have an old AMD Athlon II X4 295 OC 2.9Ghz all core(backup machine), 8GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM, dropped in an XFX AMD R7 240 2GB GPU, a 240GB ADATA SATA SSD, a PCI-e 1x USB 3.0 2 port card, an IDE DVD-RW drive to fill the slot in the case all on an MSI Micro-ATX mobo with a 450 Watt Rosewill PSU, and on the latest Solus Budgie Linux w/STEAM I can still run many games like Streets of Rage 4, Sonic Mania, Ion Furry, Horizon Chase Turbo, etc... at 720p just fine. So depending on the title, if the GPU has enough VRAM, & you adjust your settings, then I think it's more than possible to still run many games.
Yes they could, had the ATi 4870's (from 2008) in cross fire mode with a core 2 quad and it ran most games at 1080p med to high even up until about 2013-14. It chugged through most games until driver support became an issue
I think that Jay just introduced a great segment for this show. 'Game Rig Autopsy' or 'Time Capsule Takedown'. Bring in a box that is 5 to 8 years old, could be theirs, a friend's, someone's donation, and go through a technical breakdown and unboxing, marveling not only at the tech used but the techniques of assembly and choice of specific components. It's object lesson not only for how far we've come in technology in just a few years but also in lessons that Jay and crew have learned about how to build a better box. This was a fun watch. Some of my PC components are over 10 years old, my mobo is now six years old. Upgrading GPU and SSDs mean I am still playing the latest titles at 1080p.
Recently, a friend of mine called and asked me if I could build a low cost pc that could run dvd memorial videos for his church. I had an Intel 4770k platform and 1660 Ti that I used to build a good functional pc. When my friend came by to see it, I had it running on my test bench. He asked how much and I told him it was a donation.
I've had my AIO since 2017 and it's orientation is "not right" runs fine. Keeps my 5900x cool. Idk why so much is put into exact perfection scientifically having everything correct.
Agree with other commentators in that it's overkill. Sell the graphics card and donate the proceeds to a church charity. You can get an old 2nd gen i5 HP or Dell for practically nothing and come with dvd drives. Just slap a cheap 120gb SSD in and it's fit for purpose.
Wondering if it is worth cutting the tubes of that GPU AIO and turning it into an open loop system, especially as this is a high end card. That would save dismantling the GPU. The only drawbacks could be the cost of the open loop parts outweighing the replacement equivalent card and maybe perishing tubes and/or corroded rad. Might be worth a look though.
My wife found an old pc in a junk pile outside her grandpas apartment and she thought of me and grabbed it. The pile was taken away an hour later. It has a 3770k but no ram, psu, or storage. I bought 32 gb of ram for it, a new psu, an ssd, and a new cooler (it only had a stock cooler). I overclocked it to 4.6 GHz and threw my 6900 xt in it to benchmark it and it runs bf5, Fortnite, and fh5 smoothly. The only game it really struggles with is bf2042 in 128 player maps, 64 player is perfectly playable.
I have an old DELL system I picked up at a town-wide yard sale a few years ago for free that's missing the ram, hard drive and some of the extra DELL goodies that came pre-installed. But it still has its' Intel Q6600 Core-2 Quad in it. I grabbed it for a potential retro gaming rig. Just need to find some stuff for it. :)
@ nice, that’s a fun generation to make a nostalgia build with. I built a pc with the same specs that the pc I gamed on when I was a kid had. A core 2 duo e8400 and a 9800 gtx+.
@@andreidavid145 Fun stuff. I still have both of my old Socket-A motherboards stored away somewhere. One is just a basic mobo while the other is an old MSI gaming board with Nvidia N-Force 2 chipset on it. While it's not of the same generation as the Core 2 Quad I have an old GTX 260 stored away somewhere as well that would go well with it. I also have a special copy of Windows XP Pro x64 that came from a school that I got off of someone I knew several years ago. Aside from things I'm missing I mostly have what I need. :)
If you're near Portland, OR, we have a non-profit called Free Geek that is an amazing resource for old PC building and disposal. They clean and rebuild systems using volunteers who get to build their own system after putting together 4 for the group. Those systems are donated to under funded schools and community programs. They also have a Linux training class. Anything they cannot use they strip for components but not just precious metals. They also run a used parts shop you can just buy any older part they gave outright. Also a tax write-off for anything you donate.
This "old" computer is still a beast. I have a 3770k with 32gb ddr3 that is still rock solid and will be converted into a nas. Jay needs a reality check
Ivy Bridge does not have AVX2 or FMA3 and has speculative execution vulnerabilities that will never get patched in microcode because the microarchitecture is no longer supported by Intel. It is disingenuous to call it "rock solid". But it certainly has mileage left for the right use cases. My 3570k is no longer my daily driver, but I still use it from time to time for projects. This is one of the things that irks me about Intel's lack of ECC support on consumer SKUs because a home NAS is a decent use case for one of these old Ivy Bridge systems. They don't idle as nicely as some of the newer stuff but it isn't terrible either.
I use an Amiga to play Mp3s still and do rendering and use paint progs and play games on still, the obscurity of that machine means it is glossed over. I agree with you though there are large amounts of things "old" PC's still can do and with less hassle
Calling a system like that obsolete or landfill is insane to me, as I build and flip systems of below that spec at a rate of about 1 PC a week. Crazy to think that the computers I've sold and my customers are enjoying are obsolete. I love your videos, and while this won't stop me watching it's not fair to say that you aren't out of touch. Thanks for your time.
Aye, I got a 10980xe with 256gb ddr4 at 3600 and I can tell it's always a killer machine. My usual temps with all cores @ 4,6 ghz and a good water system are about (only) 65 - 70°C.
I reuse a lot of my replaced parts. Most of my friends aren't as a big a pc nerd as me and I'm always handing down parts that are upgrades for them. Then they get a few more years use out of them instead of getting tossed and them buying new parts.
This video felt very out of touch. Treating this PC like it's ewaste. Yet as is, is better than so many gaming PCs out there and still worth selling for a couple hundred on the secondhand market. I was expecting something like a second Gen core or FX CPU and a gtx 500. Oh wow it's a 1080ti, the greatest gpu ever and still holds its own today.
And that case is a gem. I wish we had more options with that layout. I miss the old desktop cases. We used to place our CRT monitors on them. Even the monster 21" CRT I had. Good times lugging that to LAN parties.
@@lunsmann it's bit big for a MicroATX case but both my main systems are in Thermaltake Core V21 cases for that very reason of having horizontal desktop layout, and I end up w/no GPU sag, and with so many fan options, and all the mesh panels everything stays super cool on air even in the middle of summer here in the Southern US.
@@lunsmann Silverstone has a decent selection still, and there's also server chassis from them or a company like Sliger or Rosewill with exclusively front to back airflow that might even cool better when actually used in an entertainment center lol
@@Xyzyxx I won't go that far, but yeah I think with Jay being use to working with higher end parts for many years, he sometimes forgets what the general audience is using, as I'm someone who still has laptops, and even a couple desktops in use with my family that are on DDR3 RAM, and SATA SSDs because they still do what they need too do, and do it well enough on Solus Linux that they don't feel the need to upgrade, and spend the money, and this is why I also watch channels like Tech Yes City that have a more down to earth approach on things doing hussle PC flip builds, while still talking about, and testing some of the lastest gear.
I built a PC in Feb 2008 and with minor upgrades (more RAM, bigger HDD, switched to SSDs from HDDs, upgraded video card when it made sense 5-6 years between) and ran it until June 2021 (13 years and a few months) until something went on the motherboard and I couldn't be bothered to test and replace components and decided I was owed a new build (kept the drives and fans between builds for slight cost reductions because things already installed and I don't care about RGB). I played modern games in 1080 with no problems what so ever all those years even when the "specs" for the game were much higher. The vast majority of the time, if you have a fast drive to reduce loading and a decent video card, unless you're a super sweaty gamer, the experience is fine. Honestly, if it weren't for the fact the mobo developed an issue, I'd still be using it, but hey, sometimes it's nice to have new shiny stuff too.
GREAT ON YOU PHIL!! Jay needs to have an old "budget" system at home to try things out once in a while to have a much better realistic picture of how capable things are because from "not able to play hugh 1080p" to "1440p ultra fs3 frame gen" is a JUMP. I don't blame Jay for this is totally understandable and even inherent to this type of work I feel, but it does show that wether or not he's completely removed from reality, he does miss by long shots often times just because he's always around the 9800x3ds
4:55 Jay, I think about those games for 5 seconds, I beat Cyberjunk 1977 twice in the past initially on a PC with a 2080 and later with a PC with a 1660 Ti.
Thanks for the video Jay - I love messing with "older" PCs and reviving them with a few newer parts - then give them to someone that doesn't need the latest-and-greatest performance!
Hey, I bought that exact same MSI Sea Hawk 1080Ti a few months ago for 150AUD! Put it in a "2017 dream machine" that I've been wanting to build for a while now, has an 8700k, 32gb of ram and a z370 motherboard. And man that 1080Ti still pulls its punches. Still extremely playable at 1080p and I was even playing games on 1440p without much issue (except fairly recently). Still a legendary GOAT card
Portal? Half life? Jay, a 1080ti can still play pretty much any modern release, albeit not at the highest resolutions and refresh rates. 60fps at 1080p or 1440p easily.
Just upgraded my build. I passed my old (10y +) build with i5 4690k, r9 280 gpu, 8gb ram to my friends' nieces (7-9-12 years old) who were really happy to have a pc for their unicorn purple rainbow etc games + school stuff. Those things from 10years back are still capable of carrying out more stuff than Nasa in the 70's.
That PC is substantially better than mine! I'm running an i5 2500k. Last upgrade I made I swapped out my GPU to a GTX 1060. I have, after 13 years, finally bitten the bullet and moved to the AM4 platform (I know. It's dead. That's why I could pick up a chip cheap!) I look forward to playing last year's games at low settings!
Shout out to Phil for the added clip of that card running Cyberpunk. Being a noob, I was very impressed, I certainly was not expecting those results from the way Jay was talking. Cheers to you both for the great content as always!!
how clean your 10 year old VR rig is is a perfect metaphor on the relevance & popularity of VR even 10 years after the VR craze started. It'll never die like 3D TV's, but it's not surprising to me that VR is STILL stuck in niche gamer limbo.
Thermaltake Core G3 was long and slim with a see though side which made a nice centerpiece on the TV stand being same size as a Home Theater Reciever. Wish they would modernize that design.
Tell me about it! I just bought a fractal north XL, took the feet off and put it on its side under the TV. Looks nice and fits all my high end gear. Would have been nice to have more options
1080Ti even! That whole pc with a 2TB NVME drive and the 500GB one moved to another slot would be awesome for MOST gaming. Nvidia is still updating drivers for the 10 series ffs.
1080TI is still relevant imo it's only 2 big shortcomings is that it's not capable of DLSS and RT (but it can do FSR if the game supports it) Edit: It's above the 6600xt and relative to the 2070 Super
I work at a technology recycling place, and last month came across an RTX2080...I've managed to build a decent simulator that runs triple 1440p, from gear that people have thrown away.
@@songseternal A 2080, that's wild... Well, seems like you do the right thing! I'd be hoarding so much stuff if i was working at one of those places, i'd need to be on a tv show...
5:50 Jay is dishing out on the fan. "Look How old this fan is!" Today I was building my youngest son's PC from Xmas present components and the case did not have a rear exhaust fan. I used an old fan just like that one with the 3 pins and red LED's that were barely visible that I found in my garage! Not Kidding! Thanks Jay! Proud Dad moment! LOL
When i built my current AM5 gaming PC, my wife got my old gaming pc with I7 4790, 16GB DDR3 ram and Asus rog 1070ti. It ran half life ALYX just fine, but when i started to run into both CPU and GPU bottlenecking on a VR game that's when i decided it was time for a new build that was about as future proof as i could make it at the time.
With your knowledge of Water cooling i think it would be a fun video to see you try to salvage the GTX1080Ti water cooler, ie if cold plate unscrews through there or if not cutting pipe and adding a section with a fill port so adding coolent is possible or be used as a normal water cooled gpu.
thats almost the same pc that i am still using daily. still doing its job keeping me happy. yes i could use a new one but i don't see that happen unless this one dies. btw add a little res to that gpu and a couple fittings and you could refill that card for cheap. why is that not something that is being talked about if you want to save on e-waste and if the card is still working.
I'm stoked to hear you talk about E-waste because it is a topic not widely covered by most people on the tech side of social media. It's a big problem.
Bro, if it’s running Cyberpunk at 1440p ultra preset with 79-80fps, that’s definitely not e-waste. I bet it can handle new single-player titles at 1080p medium to ultra settings without any issues.
CPU support for that board (with a bios update) is up-to a 10th gen i9 10980XE, latest bios is from mid 2021 but fully supports windows 11, it would be interesting to see an upgrade on capping the system out hardware wise and pairing it with a modern GPU like a 4070 or 4080 see how usable it could be.
Hey Jay! How about a tutorial that can help those of us with cpu's who "technically" can't update to Windows 11? If we are repurposing our gear, how do we keep it secure once MS kills windows 10?
Simple, don't click dodgy links. Nobody gets their home PC hacked at source. It's done by clicking or downloading dodgy things. Avoid that and you're good.
Look up a tutorial of how to make a windows bootable USB with Rufus, it's just as if not more straight forward than using Microsoft's own upgrade tools
@@empedance1933 my next upgrade will be cpu ram and motherboard. What is hte best option according to you? Change cpu ram and motherboard and then install windows 11 through windows update or installl it when the support ends in 9 months on my current cpu from the usb that i made with Rufus? MINE MONSTER PC IS RYZEN 7 1700 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL MP 600 2TB WRITE 4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S DELL P2416DD 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS.
Nice going Jay on the topic, My 2nd computer build is with a ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe with Intel i7-2600k and I am still using it with Windows 10 (too old to update to Windows 11, “official’ method). Over years I updated more RAM then I was doing Video Editing 1080P and my system would crash if it was too big of a rendering. I determined the CPU was getting HOT and installed a Single Fan Water Cooler from Intel, this helped a bunch. However the biggest improvement was moving from 3.5 SATA Hard Drives to SATA Solid State Drives-SSD. I increased the boot up time and just how the system ran better and smooth rendering of video’s to be burned to DVD or even Blu-Ray Disk’s. Just so much better experience. Been wondering what I would do with the old system, when I build a new one.
There is a local refurbishment charity that takes old PC’s, cleans them and puts new operating systems on them then resells them for a low cost. Great reuse.
Reusing parts has been so great gotten so many friends into computers when I upgrade sell them the parts at a good deal and then when they finally upgrade I either trade them some parts or have them sell them to another friend who needs a pc for the first time been great expanding the community
true upgraded from gtx1050 to rTx3060 slapped that puppy together with dell optiplex and some spare parts from craiglist made 20 bucks on it all but the joy on the poor kids face when dad bought him a 125 euro gaming pc that could play 1080p high for his fortnite was worth the hassle
Yeah when I bought a new PC last summer, I gave my old PC away to a friend. His girlfriend didn't have her own PC yet and I'd rather make a friend happy than have the hassle to try and sell it to a stranger.
@@Raizan-IO It's his girlfriend not her and I do know her as well. It isn't to uncommon to know the girlfriend of a friend, you know :P and even if I didn't know her, I made my friend happy by allowing him to give a free pc to his girlfriend. Why so negative? Life is so much nicer if you aren't! :)
Things are not old or obsolute because of age but if it doesn't or can't do what i used to do or you need it to do. An pc from 2016 is not old, it can do anything you want it to do besides playing new games. It's just a shame and the biggest waste in my opinion that hardware becomes useless because of software.
There's going to be a lot of e-waste this year when win10 goes eol and that hardware isn't on the arbitrary list of demands known as win11 "requirements". Microsoft doesn't want old hardware to work and they're getting their way.
My mother's PC is going to become e-waste, but in all fairness, it's from 2011. There are probable a few people watching this video that are younger than her computer.
The only viable way to keep those “outdated” PC’s away from the landfill is to replace Windows 10 with a beginner-friendly Linux distro, such as Linux Mint. Then again, even if one replaces Windows with Linux, internal hardware failure is still inevitable, and those computers will still eventually end up in the landfill. It’s just plain hopeless.
@@4ryan42 just install Linux Mint. It will work keep that machine humming for a long time. That's what I did with my dad's old laptop, install Linux Mint 22 XFCE edition on a laptop that is 9 years old and it runs really well. Definitely do that, cause this is one way of avoiding an e-waste problem
I thoroughly enjoyed this! To this day (not much lately over the past years), if I see a tower by the road for trash collection, I'm turning around to pick it up. It's a challenge to see what is actually wrong with it, rejuvenate, or use (save) the spare parts to have on hand. Good stuff, JayzTwoCents!
A lot of people still use rx570/580s . A 560ti can still play shadow of mordor just fine. Do not send your components to recycling, they can still make people happy
I have a rx480 still in a htpc, new games that support fsr can still somewhat be played. But sadly it doesn'tget any drivers updates anymore. Wanted to update to a arc b580, but the newly discovered cpu overhead problem makes it a bad choice.
Agreed 100%, as for Christmas I just did a rebuild in a new case of my old gameroom PC for my 6 year old great nephew who badly needed a PC for his school work, and to play some games, it's got an AMD A10 7870K turbo boosted to 4.1Ghz on air, 32GB(4 8GB sticks) DDR3 RAM OC to 1866Mhz(2133Mhz becomes unstable w/some games) 1TB NVME SSD, an AMD RX 570 8GB GPU, on an ASRock Micro ATX Mobo powered by a 550 Watt Rosewill PSU, & on Solus Budgie Linux it runs STEAM just fine on his 24 in 1080p 75Hz LCD playing many games, & that kid is happy as can be, & even bragged to one of his church friends he finally got a gaming PC 😁
05:17, this is why i subscribed..! You really have creative ideas..! Just that it's hidden in your videos, really hard to find them.... i am actually looking for CPU Cooling, damn this is genius..!
I used to take old pc's and laptops and give them to seniors. All they needed or wanted was something that ran a browser so I'd usually just install Linux Mint on the old machines, since it looked enough like Windows, and make sure Chrome or a similar Chromium based browser worked on it. Since all they ever used was the browser with a few who wanted an office suite (I think I usually gave them Libre Office or Open Office and never had any complaints), the system being Linux never created a problem.
thanks Jay, everything that you said are my sentiments exactly... sadly though not many understand and worse, not even many of my family agrees... thanks for this video, please don't forget to greet Jerry (Barnacules) a happy new year and hi when you get a chance... cheers
128GB is still useful for a boot HD replacement if you just use a pc for mail and office use. There are many users with older pc’s with a mechanical HD
@JayzTwoCents Jay I think you will get a chuckle out of this. This is my PC I am still using: CPU: Intel i7-4790 @3.6Ghz (cache 8 mb) Mboard: Sabertooth Z97 Mk2 Ram: DDR3 1333 Mhz 32.0BG GPU: Geforce GTX 980 If you don't believe it happy to send screen shots.
I don't send computers to the trash, I sell older computers and parts on the internet or just give them out to people who needs them. I also sometimes try to fix (usually just a good clean) people's computer when they start having problems. I'm currently working on building a home server in a MacPro 5,1 from 2012.
All I can think watching this is that not many people have an "old" computer of that caliber lying around. Any old computer in this house would be more like a GTX550 TI and an old Phenom CPU. Nice to have such a high quality "junkyard"
I managed to scrounge together an old build a couple of weeks back, gave it to my little brothers girlfriend just before christmas. She was hoping to play some old games like the Sims etc. An old Intel 4790K with motherboard and an older noctual cooler that I repasted, 16GB DDR3 RAM, a GTX 1070, a 256GB SATA SSD and 1 TB HDD and an older Corsair PSU. Installed a few games to try it out after I got it up and running and still seemed to run some older games well enough. With the right expectations something like that will work just fine for now and it's definitely better than nothing. Fun video honestly, loved watching it.
Boot drives for systems that don't have M.2 slots (pretty much anything I work with). Plus I have a couple of adapters from older manufacturing equipment that take laptop/2.5" drives and make them fit in 3.5" PATA drive bays.
Thank you for this video and for Phil’s silent “hold my beer” edit injection. The x299 platform was an odd platform that has good legs for the right use case. I also love that case, always have.
Jay's dismantling his oldest system and talking about e-waste, that being an i7-7820 with 32GB RAM and an 1080Ti, meanwhile my current PC is an i7-4790 (recently upgraded from an i5-4690) with 16GB DDR3 and an RX570 (upgraded from a GTX960) and am currently in the process of putting the old E6500 with 4 GB DDR2 and an HD4670 back into function, and debating with my non-profit's colleagues about the need to upgrade the office G4400 with 4 GB RAM and integrated graphics to at least an i5-6500 and 8 GB RAM.... :) Man, my only nvme drive is there on an add-on PCI card. :p
22:37 - In my area, we have a dedicated e-recycle center at the local dump and EVERY TIME I go and drop something off I see crazy piles of desktop towers. What's crazy is they all look crazy nice. I wish I could pick through them to see what people drop off....
10:57 Personally I'd use this machine, as configured as a combination emulation and multimedia streaming PC. (I reckon I can pick up some cheaper mass storage options on ebay.)
Here in Europe I would pay good money for a X299 board in such a good condition! Pretty hard to find anymore and it's still an upgrade compared to X99 if you happen to build home servers as a hobby! Then again these days even consumer Ryzens offer comparable or better performance for fraction of the power draw...
I clicked expecting Jay to be out of touch, he didn't disappoint. That PC would run anything except the most recent RT-only titles, it would run cyberpunk 1440p medium at 60+ fps with no issues, but yeah, that's a half life pc right there I guess, maybe even minesweeper if you don't mind the stutter
I know I'm a Case and a GPU upgrade from having a spare PC, and it's exactly what I'm planning on doing with my old parts. Use it as a Streaming/Video/Storage PC and use the upgraded PC as my main use one. Very much a "Ship of Theseus" kind of progression. I know me and my brother pooled quite a few old parts to build our stepdad a PC a few years back as well, so he got a $1000-1500, and it cost us maybe $200-300 in parts we didn't have spares of and a case.
If Jay could find a better cooler for the GPU, or some way to fix the AIO, then I agree, but otherwise a new GPU is in order, and a cheaper AMD card might save the day on this build.
5:28 that fan trick is underrated. And you wouldn't need high static pressure fans. I had a cooler that came with a plastic bloc in between the radiator and fans. Same thing.
Helldivers 2 would actually work pretty well on this system. About 2 months ago before a PC upgrade by a friend of mine we played Helldivers 2 together and he had like a 4th gen i7 and a GTX 970. He achieved 60@1080p on 'almost' minimum details with a balanced scaling. It wasn't top tier experience by all means but stil doable.
My previous gaming computer was an AMD Phenom II that I used as my primary from 2009 until 2017 when it was replaced with something comparable to what Jay's working on in this video. Replaced the spinny hard drive with an SSD (not an NVMe; board didn't have that as a feature) and added some cheap DDR3 from 8GB to 16GB. Now it's my Living Room PC. It plays a lot of the indie games fine, and I use SteamLink to my newer PC if I want to play better games in the living room. It's practically an antique, but I still have a use for it.
Well if you think about it, Microsoft is the biggest culprit making everything E-Waste nowadays with their Windows 11 requirements and how often we need a new OS.
its actually still Apple that contributes most ewaste due to their aggressive antirepair practices and massive amount of accessories chinese companies make for apple productd
MS did the same with Vista The requirements were so far beyond Win 7 due to bloat that it obsoleted a whole generation of PCs It did mean there was a lot to pick from in the waste bin
You were talking about goodwill and how old that computer is then you open it up and first thing we see is a watercooled 1080 ti, until very recently I had been daily driving a regular 1080 frick off they are perfectly fine, they are not 10 years old, YOU are 10 years old, WRONG! Lol seriously though the next generation of little cousins and brothers hand me downs are going to all be capable of running 99% of games, we forget how insane hardware advancement has went in the past 10 years, price fluctuations etc
We have a place here in Portland, OR called Free Geek that takes old donated hardware and rebuilds/refurbishes PCs for people in need. Its really a great organization.
Hell yeah brother! My favorite part about owning a repair shop is saving things from landfills by doing simple upgrades. Especially when the customer has given up completely on the device. Spread the word!
The Greatest technician that ever lived
Hey Andy, hows the greatest techincian thats ever lived doing?
Yo, this is the man who keeps taking away everyone's mom toothbrush!
@@NemusDark but it's all for a good cause
It's kinda funny seeing you in the comments after I just watched the "1440p upgrade screen" video.^^
Having watched Tech Tangents repair an IBM 8088 system and Adrian Black repair a Siroc IQ120 serial terminal from the 1970s just prior to watching this video, hearing Jay and Nick talk about how 'ancient' this system is and it being a 'time capsule' was downright hilarious
Love tech tangents, him replacing capacitors as well could save many old e-waste products hopefully back into at least retro enthusiasts hands
Adrian is great I'll have to check out Tech Tangents Look up Chris Edwards He's an OG Commodore CATS tech that does Amiga PC repair videos He's done amazing work repairing what some would say is not fix able
“Old PC” better than 50% of audience PC
I'm still on GTX 550 Ti
@@limmessgs I have a $20 GTX 1060 retired mining card with a fan zip tied on.
A blue LED fan. I'm a third of the way to RGB! 😉
This PC is not old
@@psxtuneservice it is, my gtx 1060 is tired
@lorenzozs but is yours liquid cooled?
Phil saved the day for Jay, 1080ti was a beast card and can run still today all the games.
Really, like who's playing today's crappy AAA games
Jay "You're not gonna to play cyberpunk 1080p high with that."
Phil and Computer. "Hold my beer in 1440p!"
I'm currently playing cyberpunk at 1440p 50-60fps medium settings on a i7 4790k and 1080 non ti. It's playable. Needs an upgrade. I just ordered an AMD 3000 series platform so hopefully I'll get better frames
No ray tracing is big effect. It is not that slow card otherwise.
yeah... I played cyberpunk day one on my previous computer just fine in 1080p high (just some heavy option on medium) with a I7 2600k and a GTX 970...
Jay did give a little too much credit to the actual overpriced gen ^^
Sometimes people get out of touch with how powerful older tech can be.
Like, if that thing can handle VR games, it can probably run most modern games too.
Sure, it’s not doing 2K ultra settings or 240fps or anything crazy, but I bet it can handle 720-1080p ultra for new single-player titles or hit 100fps+ in competitive shooters with optimized settings. That setup is far from e-waste and if I’d guess 50% of his subscribers are working with something worse. btw my brother still using my old laptop with 1050M forgot the processor still can handle apex legend 720p medium 60-70fps 70+ when inside building
@@Ratorix Good to hear the i7 2600k can still get up and boogie in 2025 lol
JAY: I want you to imagine a friend who owns a large car dealership. A friend that hasn't owned a car that's more than a year old in a very long time. On top of that they only ever drive the premium models. They haven't even driven a new budget car. They talk about last year's model as "old". 2 years is "dated". 5 years is "ancient".
Then you look over at your 5-10+ year old car.
That's what you sound like when you talk about "old computers."
🙄
Yea it’s very weird to see a system with a 7th gen i7 that was basically the high end processor for all of 2017, and nvme drives featured in an “e-waste” video.
Along with the comment at 14:05 of “maybe I can see if I can find some ddr4” when referring to upgrading the ram seems very tone deaf. I’d wager that ddr4 is still the most prominent ram today and you can probably take on the monumental task of “finding” it at pretty much any retailer. he says it as if it was like looking for an old working vintage agp video card, which usually means scouring local listings or online for a reasonable listing until you find something. It really made me chuckle.
Many people are using systems that don't even have M2 slots.
Eww
I still have an i7 4790k on a Mini ITX Z97 motherboard paired with 16GB of DDR3 that's going strong at 10 years of age. Good enough to pair it with a 1060 3GB and play some couch/party/light games on the living room. Previous job for it was a server with an Intel A380 for media purposes (didn't need ReBAR to use it properly, motherboard doesn't support, I tried with ReBarUEFI). Before that was my main gaming rig with that same 1060 3GB and before THAT was paired with a R7 260X.
That's disgusting.
@@nuno-cunhaayyyy 4790k gang. Still gaming on mine daily.
There exists an NVMe driver that works all the way back to XP......
My first build from 1996 still lives. It runs Dos 6.22, WFWG 3.11, Win95 OSR2, Win98 SE, and NT4 sp4 by way of System Commander. I use it to play Duke Nukem and Doom 1-2. Tyan Tomcat 4 server board w single CPU, P233 MMX, 64 Mb 70ns EDO, ATI all in wonder pro, 8 MB, 30Gb IBM DTLA 307030, Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold, ViewSonic G225fB 21" Graphic Series CRT Monitor.
I work as a computer technician at a local computer repair shop, we recycle every machine that comes through our doors that is either unfixable or donated (with consent of the customer of course). We refurbish all of the somewhat decent systems that are used for basic every day tasks and keep the extra spare parts in-case we need them to fix other machines. We only ever throw away bits that are beyond repair, the last one was a phone that was baked in the oven. Most old machines are actually still useable and you'd be surprised how many of the older generation will quickly snatch them up.
i resent the 'older' part of that comment lol
wait the phone literally got baked in the oven 😂😂😂
I still take in older Dell and HP computers back to the core 2 duo era. I just did a Optiplex 7010 upgraded it to a i7 4790, 12gb ram, 500gb ssd, Win 10 and GTX1650 for a guy that mainly plays Total War Warhammer I & II and all older games on GOG or Steam. Also refurbed a Dell 780 with Core2Duo E8600, 4gb DDR2 800MHZ, Antec 500w psu, Radeon HD3870, 2x velociraptor 10k rpm 300gb hhd for dual boot Win 2000/ Win XP. This guy has a big collection of games in box from about 1995 to 2005 and wanted something to run them. He gave me a few requests like the Velociraptor drives cause he always wanted them along with a HD3870 back in the day. Many of these parts found in good shape are still reliable at least in ny experience. I find it hard to toss old but good working parts especially older high end stuff going back to at least 1998. Once these retro parts are gone there gone. To bad so many good old PC parts get tossed.
That's cool I can't stand my local computer shop as they never have anything in stock and always tell you they get to you in a week. That's why I never buy locally.
@@mindurbusiness-b3u I RESEMBLE the 'older' part...
"I'm no so far removed..." Jay, your own editor had to put you in your place and prove you wrong with the 1080ti's performance...
He might be assuming they were going to play native settings not upscaling and frame gen included, but thanks to AMD even old Nvidia cards gain this advantage
@@burrfoottopknot yeah, but Jay was talking about 1080p and the footage with the upscaling and frame gen was at 1440p. i have a 1070, and without all the FSR stuff, i get around 35-ish fps in cyberpunk with all settings maxxed out at 1080p (without RT obviously). but yeah, FSR is a life saver because when i turn on upscaling and frame gen, it goes up to about 80-90 fps and still looks good.
I work in a primary school, you'd be amazed how much help obsolete pc's are. Speaking to a couple of companies who were upgrading and taking the old ones without storage made so much difference to the teachers and children.
I graduated high school in 96. I took computer science classes from 5th grade until I graduated. We were on Apple 2 C'' and E's until my JR year of high school. IDk if it's better today, but man it's sad how behind the technological curve school's are.
@Davivd2 over the last 12 months, using donations, the whole school has gone from 3rd gen intel to 7th and 8th gen intel. Even got a gt1030 for the office machine that runs the cctv. Got some second hand SSDs and ram.
The worst part is it made a HUGE difference, I mean classroom changing learning difference.
I personally think it should be mandatory for schools to get first refusal on companies who are getting rid of old hardware. Doesn't matter how or what kids learn on, as learn as they are learning.
@@Davivd2 IN MY SCHOOL IN THE 70'S it was cards, pencil and a ticker tape machine :P
I was volunteering for a co op that recycled e waste PCs back in early 2000s. The PCs usually came from commercial use and we would repair, clean and upgrade them for use in classrooms. We would take Pentium 2s and up and refurbish.
The explanation of the gutted fan chassis spacer on the AIO made me look over at my own AIO and go, "Huh! No shit?! I have spare fans I can gut for that mod." Thanks, Jay! 🥳
they sell spacers on aliexpress and similar sites that are like 5mm thick and they are really good at reducing the noise of every fan that is in contact with a grill (like intake fans on a case).
@ Why spend money on it when I can use what I already have? Plus, I don’t trust shops like AE, anyway. Gutted extra fans it is. Lol.
That pc can make a killer homeserver with all the pcie lanes you got.
plus the quad channel ram and storage. it is a dream diy home server to be
Right? 10 SATA, 3 M.2, 28 PCIe Lanes, even the 1080 TI would be a decent transcoding card.
@@lyianx Everyone acts like PCI-E 3 NVME drives are sooooooo slow. They're still multiple times faster than SATA drives and usually can be had a touch cheaper. I can only imagine you can find a 10/20+ core Xeon for lunch money.
@@dafirnz Unlike the older LGA2011 the LGA2066 Xeons only work on C422 workstation boards, so the consumer X299 is limited to Core i7 and i9 7000X, 9000X and 10000X series CPUs
Save that 128GB drive! When I built my NAS, I threw in my old 120GB SATA SSD as a cache and it helped immensely!
I ran iSCSI back to my desktop and just played games installed directly off the NAS.
I have sold literally every old part I've ever owned. I'd like to think they've gone on to have many years of service afterwards.
I still think about my 4690k-gtx970 rig. Up until last year I guess it could still run current games on low.
@@GerardinhoLP I had a similar system with a 4770k and a 970 sold it to a friend of mine back in 2017, he still uses it to this day
@@christopherburden999 my previous card was gtx 970 i had it from 2014 until 2021 when it died and then i got rx 6700xt rred devil
MINE MONSTER PC IS
RYZEN 7 1700
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL MP 600 2TB WRITE 4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELL P2416DD 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS
I love pushing for less e-waste, but this was funny: "Just a little wipe down... now it doesn't have so much of that 'we found it at Goodwill' look"... You know, since you so often find Fractal Design cases at Goodwill. :D
I don't know of any Goodwill store that takes computers now in Australia, the one I work at excludes lots of items from donations now as do others.
@@johnt.848 The Goodwill locations in my area here in the southern US will take them, but they don't clean them beyond a surface wipe down, & will WAY WAY over price them vs. the specs, so I see them sitting for a very long time, and then they will put a cheap as dirt price on rare Sony 5:4 LCD Monitor, then put beyond eBay pricing on a trashed PS2 that has no way to test if it's working, and the really really good stuff they get will be sent to processing center to go on their website for for even more inflated prices, so yeah it's all over the place, and I say Goodwill needs to get their heads out their backside, and train people to know their prices, make them more fair so they can sell stuff, and not have it sit there till they are forced to send it to e-waste.
I just love how a 1080ti can still play games in 2025. Do you guys think that a 2007 GPU was able to play games from 2016?
too true
the gts 250 could still play games in 2016 and it was just a 8800gtx with more vram
I have a shelved Gefore 8800 ultra and all I can say is with 756mb it starts to struggle into the Xbox one era
I have an old AMD Athlon II X4 295 OC 2.9Ghz all core(backup machine), 8GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM, dropped in an XFX AMD R7 240 2GB GPU, a 240GB ADATA SATA SSD, a PCI-e 1x USB 3.0 2 port card, an IDE DVD-RW drive to fill the slot in the case all on an MSI Micro-ATX mobo with a 450 Watt Rosewill PSU, and on the latest Solus Budgie Linux w/STEAM I can still run many games like Streets of Rage 4, Sonic Mania, Ion Furry, Horizon Chase Turbo, etc... at 720p just fine. So depending on the title, if the GPU has enough VRAM, & you adjust your settings, then I think it's more than possible to still run many games.
Yes they could, had the ATi 4870's (from 2008) in cross fire mode with a core 2 quad and it ran most games at 1080p med to high even up until about 2013-14. It chugged through most games until driver support became an issue
I think that Jay just introduced a great segment for this show. 'Game Rig Autopsy' or 'Time Capsule Takedown'. Bring in a box that is 5 to 8 years old, could be theirs, a friend's, someone's donation, and go through a technical breakdown and unboxing, marveling not only at the tech used but the techniques of assembly and choice of specific components. It's object lesson not only for how far we've come in technology in just a few years but also in lessons that Jay and crew have learned about how to build a better box. This was a fun watch. Some of my PC components are over 10 years old, my mobo is now six years old. Upgrading GPU and SSDs mean I am still playing the latest titles at 1080p.
Recently, a friend of mine called and asked me if I could build a low cost pc that could run dvd memorial videos for his church. I had an Intel 4770k platform and 1660 Ti that I used to build a good functional pc. When my friend came by to see it, I had it running on my test bench. He asked how much and I told him it was a donation.
I am currently making a plex server with a 4790k and a 1660 super I had left over from various upgrades.
That one is overbuilt for the purpose :)
I've had my AIO since 2017 and it's orientation is "not right" runs fine. Keeps my 5900x cool. Idk why so much is put into exact perfection scientifically having everything correct.
utterly overkill the 1660ti is not needed for that AT ALL, and is being wasted. Sell it and put in a Old 1050 non ti or a GTX650 for £10
Agree with other commentators in that it's overkill. Sell the graphics card and donate the proceeds to a church charity. You can get an old 2nd gen i5 HP or Dell for practically nothing and come with dvd drives. Just slap a cheap 120gb SSD in and it's fit for purpose.
Wondering if it is worth cutting the tubes of that GPU AIO and turning it into an open loop system, especially as this is a high end card. That would save dismantling the GPU. The only drawbacks could be the cost of the open loop parts outweighing the replacement equivalent card and maybe perishing tubes and/or corroded rad. Might be worth a look though.
My wife found an old pc in a junk pile outside her grandpas apartment and she thought of me and grabbed it. The pile was taken away an hour later. It has a 3770k but no ram, psu, or storage. I bought 32 gb of ram for it, a new psu, an ssd, and a new cooler (it only had a stock cooler). I overclocked it to 4.6 GHz and threw my 6900 xt in it to benchmark it and it runs bf5, Fortnite, and fh5 smoothly. The only game it really struggles with is bf2042 in 128 player maps, 64 player is perfectly playable.
I have an old DELL system I picked up at a town-wide yard sale a few years ago for free that's missing the ram, hard drive and some of the extra DELL goodies that came pre-installed. But it still has its' Intel Q6600 Core-2 Quad in it. I grabbed it for a potential retro gaming rig. Just need to find some stuff for it. :)
@ nice, that’s a fun generation to make a nostalgia build with. I built a pc with the same specs that the pc I gamed on when I was a kid had. A core 2 duo e8400 and a 9800 gtx+.
@@andreidavid145 Fun stuff. I still have both of my old Socket-A motherboards stored away somewhere. One is just a basic mobo while the other is an old MSI gaming board with Nvidia N-Force 2 chipset on it.
While it's not of the same generation as the Core 2 Quad I have an old GTX 260 stored away somewhere as well that would go well with it. I also have a special copy of Windows XP Pro x64 that came from a school that I got off of someone I knew several years ago. Aside from things I'm missing I mostly have what I need. :)
If you're near Portland, OR, we have a non-profit called Free Geek that is an amazing resource for old PC building and disposal. They clean and rebuild systems using volunteers who get to build their own system after putting together 4 for the group. Those systems are donated to under funded schools and community programs. They also have a Linux training class. Anything they cannot use they strip for components but not just precious metals. They also run a used parts shop you can just buy any older part they gave outright. Also a tax write-off for anything you donate.
Man Calling a PC faster and more powerful than every PC I've ever owned.
This "old" computer is still a beast. I have a 3770k with 32gb ddr3 that is still rock solid and will be converted into a nas. Jay needs a reality check
Ivy Bridge does not have AVX2 or FMA3 and has speculative execution vulnerabilities that will never get patched in microcode because the microarchitecture is no longer supported by Intel. It is disingenuous to call it "rock solid". But it certainly has mileage left for the right use cases.
My 3570k is no longer my daily driver, but I still use it from time to time for projects.
This is one of the things that irks me about Intel's lack of ECC support on consumer SKUs because a home NAS is a decent use case for one of these old Ivy Bridge systems. They don't idle as nicely as some of the newer stuff but it isn't terrible either.
There are people out there who still use their iMac G3's to play music. Outdated doesn't necessarily mean useless.
I use an Amiga to play Mp3s still and do rendering and use paint progs and play games on still, the obscurity of that machine means it is glossed over. I agree with you though there are large amounts of things "old" PC's still can do and with less hassle
Calling a system like that obsolete or landfill is insane to me, as I build and flip systems of below that spec at a rate of about 1 PC a week. Crazy to think that the computers I've sold and my customers are enjoying are obsolete. I love your videos, and while this won't stop me watching it's not fair to say that you aren't out of touch. Thanks for your time.
I remember when you first built this system! It started out with Kaby Lake X and you built it on carpet!
You could go all the way up to a 10980XE
Aye, I got a 10980xe with 256gb ddr4 at 3600 and I can tell it's always a killer machine. My usual temps with all cores @ 4,6 ghz and a good water system are about (only) 65 - 70°C.
I run Debian 12 on my 2009 Imac 27" and Zorin Lite on my 2010 Macbook Pro. Runs fine, no problems.
I reuse a lot of my replaced parts. Most of my friends aren't as a big a pc nerd as me and I'm always handing down parts that are upgrades for them. Then they get a few more years use out of them instead of getting tossed and them buying new parts.
This video felt very out of touch. Treating this PC like it's ewaste. Yet as is, is better than so many gaming PCs out there and still worth selling for a couple hundred on the secondhand market. I was expecting something like a second Gen core or FX CPU and a gtx 500. Oh wow it's a 1080ti, the greatest gpu ever and still holds its own today.
And that case is a gem. I wish we had more options with that layout. I miss the old desktop cases. We used to place our CRT monitors on them. Even the monster 21" CRT I had. Good times lugging that to LAN parties.
@@lunsmann it's bit big for a MicroATX case but both my main systems are in Thermaltake Core V21 cases for that very reason of having horizontal desktop layout, and I end up w/no GPU sag, and with so many fan options, and all the mesh panels everything stays super cool on air even in the middle of summer here in the Southern US.
@@lunsmann Silverstone has a decent selection still, and there's also server chassis from them or a company like Sliger or Rosewill with exclusively front to back airflow that might even cool better when actually used in an entertainment center lol
The entire channel is out of touch, always has been
@@Xyzyxx I won't go that far, but yeah I think with Jay being use to working with higher end parts for many years, he sometimes forgets what the general audience is using, as I'm someone who still has laptops, and even a couple desktops in use with my family that are on DDR3 RAM, and SATA SSDs because they still do what they need too do, and do it well enough on Solus Linux that they don't feel the need to upgrade, and spend the money, and this is why I also watch channels like Tech Yes City that have a more down to earth approach on things doing hussle PC flip builds, while still talking about, and testing some of the lastest gear.
I built a PC in Feb 2008 and with minor upgrades (more RAM, bigger HDD, switched to SSDs from HDDs, upgraded video card when it made sense 5-6 years between) and ran it until June 2021 (13 years and a few months) until something went on the motherboard and I couldn't be bothered to test and replace components and decided I was owed a new build (kept the drives and fans between builds for slight cost reductions because things already installed and I don't care about RGB). I played modern games in 1080 with no problems what so ever all those years even when the "specs" for the game were much higher. The vast majority of the time, if you have a fast drive to reduce loading and a decent video card, unless you're a super sweaty gamer, the experience is fine. Honestly, if it weren't for the fact the mobo developed an issue, I'd still be using it, but hey, sometimes it's nice to have new shiny stuff too.
GREAT ON YOU PHIL!! Jay needs to have an old "budget" system at home to try things out once in a while to have a much better realistic picture of how capable things are because from "not able to play hugh 1080p" to "1440p ultra fs3 frame gen" is a JUMP.
I don't blame Jay for this is totally understandable and even inherent to this type of work I feel, but it does show that wether or not he's completely removed from reality, he does miss by long shots often times just because he's always around the 9800x3ds
12:49 Jay, my 1080 non-ti can do 1080p Ultra in Cyberpunk. Are you crazy?
4:55 Jay, I think about those games for 5 seconds, I beat Cyberjunk 1977 twice in the past initially on a PC with a 2080 and later with a PC with a 1660 Ti.
Thanks for the video Jay - I love messing with "older" PCs and reviving them with a few newer parts - then give them to someone that doesn't need the latest-and-greatest performance!
Hey, I bought that exact same MSI Sea Hawk 1080Ti a few months ago for 150AUD! Put it in a "2017 dream machine" that I've been wanting to build for a while now, has an 8700k, 32gb of ram and a z370 motherboard. And man that 1080Ti still pulls its punches. Still extremely playable at 1080p and I was even playing games on 1440p without much issue (except fairly recently). Still a legendary GOAT card
What's crazy is the 1080Ti can STILL game well.
Portal? Half life? Jay, a 1080ti can still play pretty much any modern release, albeit not at the highest resolutions and refresh rates. 60fps at 1080p or 1440p easily.
Just upgraded my build. I passed my old (10y +) build with i5 4690k, r9 280 gpu, 8gb ram to my friends' nieces (7-9-12 years old) who were really happy to have a pc for their unicorn purple rainbow etc games + school stuff. Those things from 10years back are still capable of carrying out more stuff than Nasa in the 70's.
I'm still rocking a z270 Fatal1ty board with a delidded and copper ihs'd 7700k in my secondary rig. Good stuff lol
That PC is substantially better than mine! I'm running an i5 2500k. Last upgrade I made I swapped out my GPU to a GTX 1060.
I have, after 13 years, finally bitten the bullet and moved to the AM4 platform (I know. It's dead. That's why I could pick up a chip cheap!) I look forward to playing last year's games at low settings!
Shout out to Phil for the added clip of that card running Cyberpunk. Being a noob, I was very impressed, I certainly was not expecting those results from the way Jay was talking. Cheers to you both for the great content as always!!
how clean your 10 year old VR rig is is a perfect metaphor on the relevance & popularity of VR even 10 years after the VR craze started. It'll never die like 3D TV's, but it's not surprising to me that VR is STILL stuck in niche gamer limbo.
My old 2500K with DDR3 @1866MHz , Z68-GD55 motherboard and a GTX670 2GB card is still running these days at a friend of mine.
Wish there were more" Home Theater" Case or horizontal case options!!!
ESPECIALLY now that modern TV's are great for home gaming 4K @120hz
They should make some wider home theater option. With a riser we could lay a computer as flat as possible. Would be a fun project
Thermaltake Core G3 was long and slim with a see though side which made a nice centerpiece on the TV stand being same size as a Home Theater Reciever. Wish they would modernize that design.
Tell me about it! I just bought a fractal north XL, took the feet off and put it on its side under the TV. Looks nice and fits all my high end gear. Would have been nice to have more options
I'd happily give that system a home, as I would use it to play a lot of the older games like the ones you mentioned
GTX 1080 is e-waste grade now? That escalated quickly!
1080Ti even! That whole pc with a 2TB NVME drive and the 500GB one moved to another slot would be awesome for MOST gaming.
Nvidia is still updating drivers for the 10 series ffs.
Yeah, lol. I'm running on an EVGA 1070.
1080TI is still relevant imo it's only 2 big shortcomings is that it's not capable of DLSS and RT (but it can do FSR if the game supports it) Edit: It's above the 6600xt and relative to the 2070 Super
I work at a technology recycling place, and last month came across an RTX2080...I've managed to build a decent simulator that runs triple 1440p, from gear that people have thrown away.
@@songseternal A 2080, that's wild...
Well, seems like you do the right thing! I'd be hoarding so much stuff if i was working at one of those places, i'd need to be on a tv show...
5:50 Jay is dishing out on the fan. "Look How old this fan is!" Today I was building my youngest son's PC from Xmas present components and the case did not have a rear exhaust fan.
I used an old fan just like that one with the 3 pins and red LED's that were barely visible that I found in my garage! Not Kidding! Thanks Jay! Proud Dad moment! LOL
When i built my current AM5 gaming PC, my wife got my old gaming pc with I7 4790, 16GB DDR3 ram and Asus rog 1070ti. It ran half life ALYX just fine, but when i started to run into both CPU and GPU bottlenecking on a VR game that's when i decided it was time for a new build that was about as future proof as i could make it at the time.
With your knowledge of Water cooling i think it would be a fun video to see you try to salvage the GTX1080Ti water cooler, ie if cold plate unscrews through there or if not cutting pipe and adding a section with a fill port so adding coolent is possible or be used as a normal water cooled gpu.
" I Am not that out off touch" Yes Jay you are
Completely lol
Is he?
yes
Man jay was underselling that 1080ti HARD. The 1080ti is an absolute unit, and Phil showed that
thats almost the same pc that i am still using daily. still doing its job keeping me happy. yes i could use a new one but i don't see that happen unless this one dies. btw add a little res to that gpu and a couple fittings and you could refill that card for cheap. why is that not something that is being talked about if you want to save on e-waste and if the card is still working.
I'm stoked to hear you talk about E-waste because it is a topic not widely covered by most people on the tech side of social media. It's a big problem.
Bro, if it’s running Cyberpunk at 1440p ultra preset with 79-80fps, that’s definitely not e-waste. I bet it can handle new single-player titles at 1080p medium to ultra settings without any issues.
It runs more like 40fps...He had FSR frame gen turned on...But either way, the 1080ti is still a very usable card at 1080p...
CPU support for that board (with a bios update) is up-to a 10th gen i9 10980XE, latest bios is from mid 2021 but fully supports windows 11, it would be interesting to see an upgrade on capping the system out hardware wise and pairing it with a modern GPU like a 4070 or 4080 see how usable it could be.
Hey Jay! How about a tutorial that can help those of us with cpu's who "technically" can't update to Windows 11? If we are repurposing our gear, how do we keep it secure once MS kills windows 10?
Simple, don't click dodgy links. Nobody gets their home PC hacked at source. It's done by clicking or downloading dodgy things. Avoid that and you're good.
Look up a tutorial of how to make a windows bootable USB with Rufus, it's just as if not more straight forward than using Microsoft's own upgrade tools
@@empedance1933 my next upgrade will be cpu ram and motherboard.
What is hte best option according to you? Change cpu ram and motherboard and then install windows 11 through windows update or installl it when the support ends in 9 months on my current cpu from the usb that i made with Rufus?
MINE MONSTER PC IS
RYZEN 7 1700
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL MP 600 2TB WRITE 4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELL P2416DD 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS.
I like how it is cleaner in western if it was here that would be used as dustbin already
3:19 that museum piece is better than my 1660 super which is only 5 yrs old 🤣🤣
Nice going Jay on the topic,
My 2nd computer build is with a ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe with Intel i7-2600k and I am still using it with Windows 10 (too old to update to Windows 11, “official’ method). Over years I updated more RAM then I was doing Video Editing 1080P and my system would crash if it was too big of a rendering. I determined the CPU was getting HOT and installed a Single Fan Water Cooler from Intel, this helped a bunch.
However the biggest improvement was moving from 3.5 SATA Hard Drives to SATA Solid State Drives-SSD. I increased the boot up time and just how the system ran better and smooth rendering of video’s to be burned to DVD or even Blu-Ray Disk’s. Just so much better experience.
Been wondering what I would do with the old system, when I build a new one.
There is a local refurbishment charity that takes old PC’s, cleans them and puts new operating systems on them then resells them for a low cost. Great reuse.
Reusing parts has been so great gotten so many friends into computers when I upgrade sell them the parts at a good deal and then when they finally upgrade I either trade them some parts or have them sell them to another friend who needs a pc for the first time been great expanding the community
Upgrading is better, you can give it to someone in need of a Pc and make their day
sell*
true upgraded from gtx1050 to rTx3060
slapped that puppy together with dell optiplex and some spare parts from craiglist made 20 bucks on it all but the joy on the poor kids face when dad bought him a 125 euro gaming pc that could play 1080p high for his fortnite was worth the hassle
Yeah when I bought a new PC last summer, I gave my old PC away to a friend. His girlfriend didn't have her own PC yet and I'd rather make a friend happy than have the hassle to try and sell it to a stranger.
@@Morrodin-WH40K so... her girlfriend is happier, which is a technical stranger to you.
@@Raizan-IO It's his girlfriend not her and I do know her as well. It isn't to uncommon to know the girlfriend of a friend, you know :P and even if I didn't know her, I made my friend happy by allowing him to give a free pc to his girlfriend.
Why so negative? Life is so much nicer if you aren't! :)
Just got done putting together my first custom loop, doing the leak testing now so it's a great time for a jayztwocents vid😎
Things are not old or obsolute because of age but if it doesn't or can't do what i used to do or you need it to do. An pc from 2016 is not old, it can do anything you want it to do besides playing new games.
It's just a shame and the biggest waste in my opinion that hardware becomes useless because of software.
my grandma use my old i5 3330 and a hd 5770. It's working perfectly
There's going to be a lot of e-waste this year when win10 goes eol and that hardware isn't on the arbitrary list of demands known as win11 "requirements". Microsoft doesn't want old hardware to work and they're getting their way.
Well, a userfriendly linux install would be a fix there, mint or something
My mother's PC is going to become e-waste, but in all fairness, it's from 2011. There are probable a few people watching this video that are younger than her computer.
I can't wait! I'm looking to get a new PC to slap Linux on :)
The only viable way to keep those “outdated” PC’s away from the landfill is to replace Windows 10 with a beginner-friendly Linux distro, such as Linux Mint. Then again, even if one replaces Windows with Linux, internal hardware failure is still inevitable, and those computers will still eventually end up in the landfill. It’s just plain hopeless.
@@4ryan42 just install Linux Mint. It will work keep that machine humming for a long time. That's what I did with my dad's old laptop, install Linux Mint 22 XFCE edition on a laptop that is 9 years old and it runs really well. Definitely do that, cause this is one way of avoiding an e-waste problem
I thoroughly enjoyed this! To this day (not much lately over the past years), if I see a tower by the road for trash collection, I'm turning around to pick it up. It's a challenge to see what is actually wrong with it, rejuvenate, or use (save) the spare parts to have on hand. Good stuff, JayzTwoCents!
A lot of people still use rx570/580s . A 560ti can still play shadow of mordor just fine. Do not send your components to recycling, they can still make people happy
I have a rx480 still in a htpc, new games that support fsr can still somewhat be played. But sadly it doesn'tget any drivers updates anymore. Wanted to update to a arc b580, but the newly discovered cpu overhead problem makes it a bad choice.
Agreed 100%, as for Christmas I just did a rebuild in a new case of my old gameroom PC for my 6 year old great nephew who badly needed a PC for his school work, and to play some games, it's got an AMD A10 7870K turbo boosted to 4.1Ghz on air, 32GB(4 8GB sticks) DDR3 RAM OC to 1866Mhz(2133Mhz becomes unstable w/some games) 1TB NVME SSD, an AMD RX 570 8GB GPU, on an ASRock Micro ATX Mobo powered by a 550 Watt Rosewill PSU, & on Solus Budgie Linux it runs STEAM just fine on his 24 in 1080p 75Hz LCD playing many games, & that kid is happy as can be, & even bragged to one of his church friends he finally got a gaming PC 😁
05:17, this is why i subscribed..! You really have creative ideas..! Just that it's hidden in your videos, really hard to find them.... i am actually looking for CPU Cooling, damn this is genius..!
I used to take old pc's and laptops and give them to seniors. All they needed or wanted was something that ran a browser so I'd usually just install Linux Mint on the old machines, since it looked enough like Windows, and make sure Chrome or a similar Chromium based browser worked on it. Since all they ever used was the browser with a few who wanted an office suite (I think I usually gave them Libre Office or Open Office and never had any complaints), the system being Linux never created a problem.
thanks Jay, everything that you said are my sentiments exactly... sadly though not many understand and worse, not even many of my family agrees... thanks for this video, please don't forget to greet Jerry (Barnacules) a happy new year and hi when you get a chance... cheers
128GB is still useful for a boot HD replacement if you just use a pc for mail and office use. There are many users with older pc’s with a mechanical HD
@JayzTwoCents Jay I think you will get a chuckle out of this. This is my PC I am still using:
CPU: Intel i7-4790 @3.6Ghz (cache 8 mb)
Mboard: Sabertooth Z97 Mk2
Ram: DDR3 1333 Mhz 32.0BG
GPU: Geforce GTX 980
If you don't believe it happy to send screen shots.
I don't send computers to the trash, I sell older computers and parts on the internet or just give them out to people who needs them. I also sometimes try to fix (usually just a good clean) people's computer when they start having problems.
I'm currently working on building a home server in a MacPro 5,1 from 2012.
Yes. It is like You said: for every living chunk there is somebody who can make good use of it! 😊❤😊
All I can think watching this is that not many people have an "old" computer of that caliber lying around. Any old computer in this house would be more like a GTX550 TI and an old Phenom CPU. Nice to have such a high quality "junkyard"
I managed to scrounge together an old build a couple of weeks back, gave it to my little brothers girlfriend just before christmas. She was hoping to play some old games like the Sims etc. An old Intel 4790K with motherboard and an older noctual cooler that I repasted, 16GB DDR3 RAM, a GTX 1070, a 256GB SATA SSD and 1 TB HDD and an older Corsair PSU.
Installed a few games to try it out after I got it up and running and still seemed to run some older games well enough. With the right expectations something like that will work just fine for now and it's definitely better than nothing. Fun video honestly, loved watching it.
These 120 GB SSDs could be used to run OS for storage server, custom router etc. ;-)
Boot drives for systems that don't have M.2 slots (pretty much anything I work with). Plus I have a couple of adapters from older manufacturing equipment that take laptop/2.5" drives and make them fit in 3.5" PATA drive bays.
Thank you for this video and for Phil’s silent “hold my beer” edit injection. The x299 platform was an odd platform that has good legs for the right use case. I also love that case, always have.
Jay's dismantling his oldest system and talking about e-waste, that being an i7-7820 with 32GB RAM and an 1080Ti, meanwhile my current PC is an i7-4790 (recently upgraded from an i5-4690) with 16GB DDR3 and an RX570 (upgraded from a GTX960) and am currently in the process of putting the old E6500 with 4 GB DDR2 and an HD4670 back into function, and debating with my non-profit's colleagues about the need to upgrade the office G4400 with 4 GB RAM and integrated graphics to at least an i5-6500 and 8 GB RAM.... :)
Man, my only nvme drive is there on an add-on PCI card. :p
22:37 - In my area, we have a dedicated e-recycle center at the local dump and EVERY TIME I go and drop something off I see crazy piles of desktop towers. What's crazy is they all look crazy nice. I wish I could pick through them to see what people drop off....
10:57 Personally I'd use this machine, as configured as a combination emulation and multimedia streaming PC. (I reckon I can pick up some cheaper mass storage options on ebay.)
My 1080ti AIO just went dry. I reinstalled the FE cooler and it is super loud now. Still works tho.
I have an EVGA 760 I can donate to your future EVGA museum. 😊
I have 2 of them, but they're still in use !
Here in Europe I would pay good money for a X299 board in such a good condition! Pretty hard to find anymore and it's still an upgrade compared to X99 if you happen to build home servers as a hobby! Then again these days even consumer Ryzens offer comparable or better performance for fraction of the power draw...
I clicked expecting Jay to be out of touch, he didn't disappoint. That PC would run anything except the most recent RT-only titles, it would run cyberpunk 1440p medium at 60+ fps with no issues, but yeah, that's a half life pc right there I guess, maybe even minesweeper if you don't mind the stutter
I know I'm a Case and a GPU upgrade from having a spare PC, and it's exactly what I'm planning on doing with my old parts. Use it as a Streaming/Video/Storage PC and use the upgraded PC as my main use one. Very much a "Ship of Theseus" kind of progression. I know me and my brother pooled quite a few old parts to build our stepdad a PC a few years back as well, so he got a $1000-1500, and it cost us maybe $200-300 in parts we didn't have spares of and a case.
Maybe throw in a cheap 2tb m.2, but dont throw away the 500gb. Keep that as a boot drive. Thats the only upgrade you really need.
If Jay could find a better cooler for the GPU, or some way to fix the AIO, then I agree, but otherwise a new GPU is in order, and a cheaper AMD card might save the day on this build.
A GTX 1080 might have trouble wirh cyberpunk or helldivers 2? I think Jay needs to get out of his Ultra Settings $1000+ GPU bubble more often. 😂
that would be a great upgrade for my gtx 770 xD
5:28 that fan trick is underrated. And you wouldn't need high static pressure fans. I had a cooler that came with a plastic bloc in between the radiator and fans. Same thing.
Helldivers 2 would actually work pretty well on this system. About 2 months ago before a PC upgrade by a friend of mine we played Helldivers 2 together and he had like a 4th gen i7 and a GTX 970. He achieved 60@1080p on 'almost' minimum details with a balanced scaling. It wasn't top tier experience by all means but stil doable.
My previous gaming computer was an AMD Phenom II that I used as my primary from 2009 until 2017 when it was replaced with something comparable to what Jay's working on in this video. Replaced the spinny hard drive with an SSD (not an NVMe; board didn't have that as a feature) and added some cheap DDR3 from 8GB to 16GB. Now it's my Living Room PC. It plays a lot of the indie games fine, and I use SteamLink to my newer PC if I want to play better games in the living room. It's practically an antique, but I still have a use for it.
Finally some OG style JTC content!
I liked the subtle explosion when showing your iFixit tools. Nice one Phil.
Well if you think about it, Microsoft is the biggest culprit making everything E-Waste nowadays with their Windows 11 requirements and how often we need a new OS.
its actually still Apple that contributes most ewaste due to their aggressive antirepair practices and massive amount of accessories chinese companies make for apple productd
all those old machines that can't run MSWin11? They can just send them MY way...
MS did the same with Vista The requirements were so far beyond Win 7 due to bloat that it obsoleted a whole generation of PCs It did mean there was a lot to pick from in the waste bin
You were talking about goodwill and how old that computer is then you open it up and first thing we see is a watercooled 1080 ti, until very recently I had been daily driving a regular 1080 frick off they are perfectly fine, they are not 10 years old, YOU are 10 years old, WRONG! Lol seriously though the next generation of little cousins and brothers hand me downs are going to all be capable of running 99% of games, we forget how insane hardware advancement has went in the past 10 years, price fluctuations etc
imagine forgetting you own a water cooled 1080 Ti! 😂🤣 Got to love Jay's connected disconnection from reality! 😉😂🤣
We have a place here in Portland, OR called Free Geek that takes old donated hardware and rebuilds/refurbishes PCs for people in need. Its really a great organization.