The Best Devs in Gacha Gaming
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- Wuthering Waves has likely seen more Quality of Life updates in 3 months than Genshin has seen over more than 3 years.
It's not because Genshin is the perfect game that needs no fixes; it's because Kuro is a developer that actually listens, and now other gacha companies are feeling the pressure of actual competition.
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Genshin gave their players one customized artifact every 4-6 months!
They are the most generous gacha company on this planet. I think WuWa is doomed!
echo system is shaking hahaha. hilarious system they implemented to be time gated as hell 😂
😂😂😂
So generous that I'd rather quit again upon hearing this. 😂
when i saw how it worked, i was like "ofc they fucked this up". this is why i wont get excited for any "qol" genshin announces. they always seem to mess it up one way or another. i played genshin when it first released for over a year, and pretty much dropped it after getting yae and saw how they messed up her targeting( i dont think they ever fixed it still). at this point hell would have to freeze over before i start believing in the genshin dev team.
@@jocelreloncillo8093its time gated because there's literally zero shit to do in genshin once you finish everything. That's why they want to keep players for the longest period of time
Kuro doesn't listen, they're in your wall
:0
They're in the walls......
THEY'RE IN THE GODDAMN WALLS!!!!!
They are the wall
"But, the man in the wall..." (a warframe reference)
@@zekeaffy9647a fellow tenno i see lol
"I have 3 principles: love yourself, love your game,
love your players."
- Solon Lee (CEO of Kuro games)
incredibly based dev.
Incredibly buff too
meanwhile he goes to sell you predatory gachas whilst real devs that actually mean that go out to make real games...
@@rolf1819Their newest project "NAMI" will be AAA game...
They know when to stop milking money from gacha games unlike Hoyo.
N not crying begging player 😂😂😂😂😂
@@rolf1819 ur forgetting the existence of pgr, a game that is too far from a gacha game, despite being a gacha game
Even if Kuro keeps listening, ungrateful people will never be satisfied lol
Kuro : guys... we fuqed, so here 10 pulls and a emergency patch
Hoyo : 100 primos, take it or leave.
Not really , we have kurobots. In Tweeter if someone is being ungrateful they get massively cooked.
Sad I can't demand more free pulls in MAIL! FUKC KUROBOTS!!!
@@Ionic_Glace"Guys Neuvellite is too strong, so-"
CN players: NO
"Okay"
Heard pgr, they are just listening and doing what people want. That is customer service,
That why its also a dead game 😂@@kealeradecal6091
In one of the interviews Kuro did, the devs team mentioned something along the line like this:
'You can shit talk the game, give all the negative feedback you want, but please stay, stay and see what the future holds for the game.'
Kuro ftw
Goats among goats🐐
Gluck gluck
@@20ferstThanks for the water man. Its important to stay hydrated.
We will stay for the good and for the bad ❤️
Damn, man. I'm going to stay as long as I can for sure.
And this is why I spent 150$ trying to get Changli lmao. Worth IMO, because I love this game and it's Devs. Actually want to support it. GJ Kuro
Ngl, the first time I topup in this game. I got 3 Zhezhi in within 80 pulls. This secured me to keep playing for a very long time
Even losing a 50/50 doesn’t even make me feel bad because the standard characters are still good
Same bro, I did top up too
Best companion story so far was Changli, love little changli dialogue
@@FahallaRa agreed... She was adorable
I like how genshin say they listen to player and make you able to swap while flying/climbing/swimming and its turn out they put it behind character passive -_-
Wow they put those qol on some character, but those white knights still defend that game?
Genshin is more realistic compared to WuWa. You cannot jump and run all day in the real world, limitations are there for a reason.
@@iflgames3245yes similarly as we can do crazy attacks, s
ummon dragons, lightning etc in real world
What tf u yapping about@@iflgames3245
@@iflgames3245you play a game about a world filled with people using elemental power and say realistic? Stop with your lame excuse
and genshin hardcore fans will say "it's because of da wei, not wuwa" and keep coping 😂😂
"B-b-but the 200 resin update was p-p-p-planning for 6 months and totally not a last minute patch due to f-f-fear from competition" 🤓👆
Fr bro, someone really replied that to my comment in yt. They kinda creeps me
some of them even being a delulu with "WuWa could never" chat on Genshin Livestream
Genshin does listen this time but they keep on disappointing players look at that trash new artifacts system. Hoyoshill ** that's very revolutionary** they are always coping
dawei gonna cry everytime he shows up and hoyo players sitll gonna eat it up
Solon Lee stated they'll have a conservative mindset in developing the game
Like not thinking to big and don't mind much on revenue as long as quality content is being given.
The latest interview gave me assurance that the game will succeed.
Another dev that doesn't really love money, instead focuses on quality. I love them.
@@kazuma2814 it was reassuring though and pretty thoughtful
You could watch the Video though and it has English subtitles
Stupid haters will keep saying "Cope,Kuro still need money to maintain their own games"
Not wrong, but did they know Dev like Yoshi-P exist?
@@Kramer8tbh Yoshi P is also being bullied in FF14 launch. And look at wow and FF14 now.
But I do think wuwa won't be topping the money charts. Heck money charts meta exist because it's quite literally the only thing Hoyo is consistent for
@@Kramer8 bro Yoshi P is such a goated director
After Kitase kinda failed FF14 Version 1.0
Yoshi P who is a director from Dragon Quest and has no experience developing FF Games
Saved the entire SE and FF franchise
Would've been a huge bankruptcy considering FF13 was crappy.
Genshin also listened too!
- They add Artifacts Loadouts but not what players expected😅
- They also increase resin! But only a bit around 200, not even 240.😢
- They also add costumize artifacts you just have to wait for months 😢
- They also add mounts, but only for one region only 😢
- You want your characters to move faster or do Plunge attacks, they also add it too!😮 Inside Gacha Paywall, you just have to buy for this characters and you'll get your QOL you want💀
See! Genshin Devs also listened.
They listened to the voices of Money and Stick & Carrot Method to whip their Playerbase to shape 😊
I want hoyo to become even more predatory, they should suck their shills dry of their finances
Genshin Players don't deserve to be treated like this. After all they be spending so much money to this game
While this looks good at face value all of these are good. It's such a bait and switch QoL updates, right now people are already realizing that the artifact choosing system is a scam, you can only make 1 bottles per patch, the others are locked behind the battle pass, and even if you argue you can get some in the overworld it's still 1 artifact per patch that is still subjected to rng. The 200 resin cap increase ain't that good because they didn't touch the efficiency of its recovery. Also the entire new mechanics introduced in natlan are locked behind natlan LMFAO like what even is the point of the "QoL" if it's locked behind a region.
Lol that plunge attack paywall was the breaking point for me. Not to mention that it waste char slot if your team does not usually go with anemo units. I wanted to use eula to do plunge atk and not rely on cloud retainer.
That point about mounts is absolutely not a case of them listening even if you used that sarcastically lol
That's basically just another region specific specialty like grapple hook or diving
I love this game. I wish Kuro could give us the ability to re-watch those beautiful cutscenes whenever we wanted. Like a gallery for videos. That would've been amazing. I hope they'll do it in the future.
If we put it in survey they’ll definitely let that but update will be big
You can.
Go to Gallery button
The cutscenes and story is there
It will take extra storage tho
@@iScreamKunThe (one)frame of the cutscene is there. There is however voiceovers that recaps the story.
@@PY3100why? I mean it's not like they deleted all the data from the quests when it's done or smth. Why can't we replay the quest or cutscenes...
As a hardcore day one PGR player, Kuro has always proven that they'll always keep an ear out for criticism and it's amazing to see their growth over the past 5 years. Though, it's bittersweet for me to see it took this long for them to earn the spotlight they deserve.
It truly is Genshin Could Never. Genshin ALWAYS has to put in something in their implementation to abuse their players because that is what keeps the players coming back for more. The Genshin community is a bunch of Stockholm's.
Because Genshin gives nostalgia feeling to us , it's beautiful scenery, story and game play but devs are stingy ungrateful to their players who paid and whale
@@ExDik1 Agreed. I truly loved the scenary and music (before Fontaine), but damn everything else felt like a way to soft jab at us to see how much we would put up with.
@@jonomateif your entire life is not 90% video game I think Genshin probably a good game
It's a sunk-cost fallacy. People can't leave a game because they spend too much time and maybe money on it.
lol their stockholm is very serious that they were so happy with a free standard character AFTER 4 years and most of them (Esp Dehya) was made weak on purpose bcuz its standard banner. when said that Wuthering or even HSR from mihoyo gives limited characters, they say they dont care about those free characters, Genshin is better they can choose
HALO?? HSR have free chosen standard since launch (300 wish) and Wuthering have it too LMAO
They even do things for us that we didn't ask for and some of us didn't even notice it.
I saw a vid saying (the difference in characters animation while walking on the stairs change from 1.1 to 1.2) THEY MADE IT SMOOTHER
And I'm like I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT AT ALL
Such an amazing dev team, thank you kuro ❤
yeah i saw that, because of that one vid way back comparing that stair walking to different hoyo games and a lot of people trashed wuwa's version. When i saw them improved it, at first I feel bad that maybe it hurt kuro's feelings lmao. But definitely felt better after realizing they really want quality content over anything.
I thought i was the only one who noticed it when I'm playing.
@@QuincyYhwach. crazy how they improved even though nobody ever asking it.
Even from 1.1 to 1.2, they show so little QoL on news and never make them a big news.
The COOP "Accept/Decline" mode is better and can be navigated with your Keyboard (Y/N), so you dont have to touch Alt again to accept, its good and save us so much time and make it comfortable for anyone who play COOP a lot.
Intro skill in COOP mode (Yes its legit, other player can get buff) it still meh tho because only between two player, if you are the host and there is 1 person, you cant get buff if you switch to the other character, i hope they improve it in the future.
They said "I'm going to adopt a bunch of disappointed players, and feed them good soup and put them in a fun playground" and they did. I am a casual player, with college and life stresses. But I still find time to play events and quests in WuWa without getting frustrated. They really cared about the players and I can feel that. Thank the heavens for these devs. Atleast the people now realizing that ITS NOT THAT HARD TO LISTEN, IF YOU ACTUALLY CARE.
Last nail in the coffin gonna be when Kuro adds customized echoes
They will soon add echo sub stats reroll item.....
at least as a big event reward
@@xkyrielynwhen? I keep hearing that for two patches already and there's still none T__T
I'm curious...what do u mean by customized echoes? like adding sets for what echoes to equip or what else?
Nah the final nail will be when Wuwa gets character skins. The skins will be beautiful like in PGR
It's not even "devs listened", I swear it's devs eavesdropped" lol
At this point Kuro is basically ruining everything by doing almost all the "right" things that other much bigger games never did or are just doing it now.
Don't get me wrong Azur Lane, Ark Knights, Blue Archive and Nikke were probably doing all the right things as well but the take away is that they needed to as their games aren't as big as something like Genshin, that's why when WuWa showed that even big games can and should do things right for their players they are instantly hated because people were so used being mistreated in Genshin by Hoyo that they are all in denial and to cope they hate the game and devs that are trying to do better.
*Cough* limbus company
The thing is, for most of the ‘abused’ players, it took years of efforts, resources, money, to build their accounts. And when the resources aka rewards are so tight and the devs are stingy, the time spent feels even heavier on the players shoulders, and when a certain company has been monopolizing the industry for all those years, the players basically become the company’s slaves. So when these players hear about generosity and good treatment from other devs, they expect a bad quality game to make up for it. But when suddenly faced with the high quality of WuWa that keeps drastically improving in literally every aspect of the game, the only way to cope and protect that toxic little world of theirs is to get on the offensive side and lash out on WuWa and Kuro.
@@C0pium_and you are right, but their stupidity to stay getting mistreated is their own fault. Giving money to something they no longer enjoy is beyond stupid. And now they love to cope, just for the same reasons you mentioned.
@@C0pium_that and also,people tend to take pride in their accounts and all their work/patience/money.If another game gets popular,their game becomes less popular and their stuff is “worth less”.Thus they lash out since they have spent so much money/time.I play both games and I enjoy both games.I love wuwa’s mechanics just like I love genshin’s story.Btw Natlan is out YESSIR
This is some delusional take. I struggle to see what has kuro done in their game that hsr hasn't already done in the past. Ironically enough most of the things wuwa done hsr did better. QOL implementation? Hsr better. Free 5* character? Hsr already did that. Free standard selector? Hsr already did that.
Lets get character/team loadouts and I'm a happy boy. After that, I have nothing to complain about besides my Echo RNG.
Getting flat def, def%, and hp% on my last crit rate Juè actually hurt my soul.
Echo rng isn't that bad for me tho 😅
the only complaint I have is the energy cost for everything
@@ChaffleWadapon Ive pretty much made my peace with it tbh. You dont need to have best of the best when the next spectro boss will probably powercreep jue like jue did mourning aix
fairly certain we are gonna get that soon. They implemented the damn thing a long time ago in PGR.
absolutely HATING echo rng too. can not get double crits for my life
Did you guys know that the new Genshin artifact stuff is utterly garbage?
Need 4 bottles to craft an artifact.
You can only make 1 bottle per patch (41) days.
IT TAKES 5 MONTHS to make 1.
Oh it was discussed in the video LMAO
Players got duped again lol or the fact players who haven't logged on genshin for 14 days automatically get access to the new material to the new natlan characters while genshin vets don't 😢
@@AuroraSun94do u know they are scamming with stellar reunion (only few players got new stellar while other got the old one and new 55/45 mechanism ( the rate of losing 50/50 has increased instead of decreasing). 5.0 is the entire scam fest.
@@masterk429 Genshin has more than enough problems, no need for you to blatantly lie about these lol. None of these things you said are real
@@Kota-sk8sl
5.0 in nutshell
Stellar reunion scam
Artifact customization scam
Banner scam(45/55) mechanics
Dino scam(they r statues)
Dragons scam
Region scam(they r not black 😂😂)
Archon scam(out of 3 male (zhongli and two crossdressers nahida and venti) and two female archons she has the most garbage design and is weak.
Harbinger scam( heard he was the strongest but in the end it turns out he is weaker than currently ingame harbingers).
Except for all that mentioned above 5.0 is the best update because u get free 3 star dehya and dawei tears.
Stellar reunion scam is all over the internet and i got it too but i gotta say thats not a scam because we r getting something.
The only game that I will actually put in a real thought in each patch feedback (In genshin I never did because i know they will not listen)
One change I would like to see is making past events playable like how they did in HSR
Also, increase the waveplate storge to like 2400
i mean it's kinda difficult since HSR is not open world so they can do that but an open world game would need more storage for that and some players may run out of storage
same i wish the max cap was like 960 on extra (i was offline for 7+ days TwT)
@@AverageIRLenjoyersolos For me I wait for the waveplate storge to fill up to max before using it all on one character its not enough, because i do the same in HSR and its enough for 2 or more characters in HSR
I do wish they give more storage for the waveplate. Tho overlimit charge is 33% faster than hsr, since how fast it charges and you only get around 2 full days worth at full capacity compared to hsr which is 10 days worth it feels that it needs a little more improvement. And also echo farming cost is a bit too high in my opinion
@@Crispymantis123
same i just wish the max waveplate storage was higher
kuro just want to make a good game, unlike others who just want to sell their products as much as possible
These should be the correct way to have players hook in your game, aside from that, it also makes f2p support the game more. Im f2p before but after 2 months, seeing the progression is how the game goes from good to doing better and better, and being so generous, i bought the monthly lunite sub and i dont do this in all of my other games just in this game😅
Also the way their gacha system works, i think for me you always get early 5star like 80% of the time, base on my experience. I got hard pity at 70 for once, and weapon banner is guaranteed.
And yes 70 is hard pity for me which should be 80 right. 😅
I actually swear to myself to never waste my money on games again after quitting that certain G games. But after 2 years, Kuro make me break my promise to myself just because I appreciate their games, not because I want that particular characters and in fact, I don't even need to spend with how generous this game is
Same like after the first week of them being so generous, I couldn't hold myself back but buying the monthly Lunite sub just to support them.
I got jiyan 4 times at 1.0 as an f2p and i almost got everyone aside from yinlin and jianxin. 1.1 i got jinhsi and spent some money so i can get changli as well. Just some monthly pass but damn yeah it's WORTH IT
The CEO crying is still so funny to me.
And people believing it? Even funnier.
They f up the "new endgame", and now, the " new artifact system", seriously, how does Hoyoverse keep doing that?
Learn a bit from Kuro, no?
You forgot how they fumbled “artifact loadout”
@@justanotherguy3294, they didn't. If you actually play the game you might realize that.
@@kiuhh1118 i did play the game tho. Imaginarium is trash honestly if they make 2nd abyss would be much more fun. Artifact system, come on now do you really want to talk about how shit that is? we ll be talking non stop
@@kiuhh1118Oh they did. I still play Genshin. The artifact loadout is straight-up bs. Useless.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente , useless for you maybe. Its literally artifact optimizer directly put into the game, if you didn't learn how to use then you just have a skill issue lmao
I want this game to succeed so bad coz it’s genuinely a good game and I love how the devs make it better
Even if you dont like WuWa, you cant deny the fact that they are a Wake up call for all the other Games like Genshin.
When is Genshin gonna wake up bro
@@20ferst well I hope they will but I dont rly think that they will. WuWa is by far the better choice if you want to Play a game like Genshin.
@@Traffy1703A game like Genshin and Wuwa is a literal bore fest.
If I want to play open world game it’s definitely not these two ass game
@@20ferst Yet here you are on a video about it
@@craigtrish2011 I'm here to see the new era of Xbox baby and playstation warriors 😂
"Convenient travel mechanics aren't locked to a single region or section of the map".
Natlan called out. Every single new Natlan character we have, or have leaks for, has a new travel mechanic.
Genshin ties travel mechanics to specific characters only AND they tie specific characters travel mechanics to specific regions. It's so scummy.
kuro is cooking and bringing great qol implementation. great game to enjoy long term 💓🔥
fan base over revenue. this mindset from kuro is WW
@@jocelreloncillo8093 double Ws in Wuthering waves
Once they make custom markers nameable, i'll truly die happy.
😶
Duuude that's what I'm thinking too!!
The hoyoshills still coping by saying all this qol updates are already long planned by hoyo, not because of wuwa. U cant make this shit up, the delusions of hoyoshills 😂
Kuro shill fighting demon in their head… smh lumao
@@20ferst Guilty 🫵😂
@@20ferst The irony of you statement. You're the one thinking of WuWa and Kuro rent-free
Not really there's saying it's because of Cai Haoyu the biggest shareholder for Hoyo has left Genshin allowing other producer Da Wei to start making changes which also happened in HI3 a much older game so there's even proof lol.
@@20ferstholy mother of hoyoshill, you're in every comment section talking shit on kuro
As a person who plays both, the difference between the genshin and wuwa devs is day and night. A free meta limited character in the first 4 months vs a free standard outdated character after 4 YEARS.
They should've give the limited old characters at least....
@@akhsanarrazi7825 agreed, and they should've made the chronicled banner 100% rate up instead of 50/50 but they're too greedy
@@saadplays8214 that's too much to ask to Hoyo, for me at least they give separate weapons and char banners for standard is more than enough. But hoyo keep disappointing me, so I expect nothing from them.
@@father69k they fooled everyone with 5.0 to distract them from wuwa, 5.1 apparently gives 60 free pulls and no good quality of life updates lmao
@@saadplays8214 Hoyo proof me that even if u expect nothing u can still getting disappoint from them. lol
The only complaint they haven't fixed yet is the very small & low contrast text all over the game.
For PC its fine, but on mobile, it is very2 hard to see & read.
I agree though there are more immediate issues with the game that should be addressed first.
ill put that in the next survey even tho i don't play in mobile
i feel like wuwa's entire UI needs to be errata'd because idk, they dont click on me or smth?
then report it through their social media apps or in-game report center
@@Hyde-t3n been putting it in every survey we got and a few times thru the in game feedback thingy.
I have the pc ver in my laptop. But 90% of my gametime had to be on mobile.
I only recently found out (on pc) that i can further increase my characters moon chasing stats after they reach level 10. I couldn't see the small yellow +5 or +1 on the stats bar after an activity on mobile.
I thought it was impossible to get the SS rating achievement reward.
This video is good. I was so used to the good things in Wuwa I almost forgot we eating good now. Hopefully other games will follow suit to be better.
play more other game with other dev lil bro
theyre not listening, theyre stalking
I am sure there are small technical issues still to be addressed, but as a whole I indeed agree with most all of this. I believe they are doing their darnedest to the best of their ability when and where they can. The VA is another area that you can tell has seen improvement, at least for ENG. (Yangyang isn't as grating as she was before for sure)
However, the audacity to put one of the best songs in the game at the end of your video secures my like to you sir!
It truly is the best song in the game. I was mindblown during the Dance Dance Chelonian quest.
4 years answering their surveys, and they only listened when a competitor showed up.
I'm so glad I stopped playing Genshin, and Mihoyo games in general.
Turns out its possible to both make money and make a good game! Its truly possible!
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN 5.0 AND HOYODOGS MANAGED TO FUKC IT UP HAHAHAHGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NO WORRIES IT'LL BE FIXED. AFTER PEOPLE COMPLAIN, WE CALL IT "DOG TRAINING". but it's not even NECESSARY 😂
It's all part of the plan.
There's no need for dog training since hoyo have already a cult following.
It's a scheme to get rid of genshin's image being "arrogant" and "tone-deaf" to it's playerbase. 😏
Atsu 🤝 Hoyoverse
"Dog Manipulation"
What's more is that they're giving more incentives for buying paid stuff. So BASICALLY;
"If u wanna get treated better, give us your MONEY" HAHAHAHAHAHA
They're already scamming the Dogs with weapon banner AND NOW, THEY'RE LITERALLY SPITTING ON YOUR FACE WITH THIS RIDICULOUS QoL AND THE DOGS WILL HAPPILY GULP IT ALL UP 😂😂😂
Let them Cook 😂
Yeah even I was surprised, like, wtf? One elixir per patch only for F2P?? And for Goblet you need 4, so that means you need 4 patches, almost 6 months for one customised artifact lol.
it ain't even a guaranteed good artifact. 1 per patch and you may still get dog shit upgrades.
These Kuro guys are ruining everything
Nah bro, as much as I agree with the points, echo mats still needs to be better, events aren't enough, we need a fixed source to grind tuners and tubes instead of depending on just events and 3rd grade category mats to grind tuners and xp
We have a fixed source to grind them.
tacet field is a fixed source, u can even get some from killing open-world bosses lol
@@m0racleit'll be better if we got a dedicated domain for specifically farming echo materials and if we can use the un-upgraded echoes as a lvl up mat
I don't know how I stumbled onto this channel since I don't really watch any videos about Wuthering Waves. But hey, glad the game is still doing well! I hope it stays relevant in the future, especially with a lot of open-world action RPGs set to release soon. I stopped playing because my time is limited, and open-world games take up too much time, but I still wish the best for the game and those who continue to play it.
This updates and QoL made me not wanting to pull out my hair, turning bald like Homer Simpson o_o
“Genshin could ne….wait…
godammit! Genshin still could never…”
Had WuWa not existed, Genshin would have still only been giving 100 primogems per bug fix, 10 fates per anniversary, and so much more, you can't deny that.
@@Jayuki Genshin has done 20 pulls + (number of years the game has been out) for anniv every year, why lie about this? Primos per bug fix has always been variable based on the severity of the bug. Stop making things up lol.
@@Kota-sk8sl My mistake about the anniversary rewards, but you can't deny that the rewards they give only increased in the last four months.
@@Jayuki none of their rewards have even increased aside from the once a year free standard character and that’s not even worth bragging about
@@Kota-sk8sl you're going to ignore the 1600 primogems compensation?
@@Jayuki from neuvi balancing? Are you actually trying to say the neuvi balancing and compensation was because of wuwa? Do you hear yourself?
Wuwa and other gacha players have only now started eating good stuff that Kuro fed to PGR players all them years 😭😭
The "Thank you Kuro Games" movement.
But tbh, when I try to go back to Genshin, as soon as I try to run in the game and run out of stamina, i immediately just Alt+F4.
The energy system in Wuwa can be deceiving. Yes we get more energy but the cheapest activity costs double.
To actually see with one is more generous with their energy system you would have to break down how many hours worth of energy it takes to max a character on each game.
I would like to hear more of you’re thoughts on this as its a really good discussion piece.
@@playermasterfun7334 Calculating for Genshin would be easy since all drop rates are already well know. Can't say the same for Wuwa.
Another thing is rewards change with WL / UL so in with one you calculate it on? Getting to max WL on Genshin now days can be done pretty quick different from Wuwa with takes a few months to reach max UL.
Anyway while not hard to do it would be time consuming and I don't have time for this.
True, but at the same time, WuWa’s domains give you the Resonance Skill Materials, Weapon Ascension Materials, and ascension materials.
Genshin its artifacts and character ascension materials and weapon ascension materials.
This means that, in WuWa, you don’t have to roam around to level up the Skills. You only do that for the Echoes and the Character Ascension Materials, so it’s more streamlined.
It also helps that all weapons and characters ( so far ) share the same materials ( Resonance Skill materials ), so you’re farming double.
If we also add the fact that obtaining a good weapon in WuWa is easier ( and selectable ), and that it’s possible to have a good descent Crit DMG/Crit Rate Ratio even without good substats, I would say that building one character is faster in WuWa.
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko With my experience on both games I say that the time to building a character on both games feels very similar.
The only way to be 100% sure is by doing the math.
@@vitor900000
I think it’s not for the simple fact that the game has only 3 months and we’re barely leveling up WuWa’s equivalent of the Adventure Rank to the point where we can level up the characters to level 90.
I’m a 1.0 Genshin veteran ( though I stopped playing since WuWa came out ) and I can say that it feels faster in WuWa.
I had my Chixia level 1 before Changli was announced, and when I saw that she buffs Fusion DMG, I built Chixia in less than a week with good stats.
Because they listen a lot, I tried messaging them in game feedback to see if it's real lol. I asked for a feature where domains like simulation or weapon/talent can have an option for auto-sweep once you've finished it once like in love and deepspace or tower of fantasy for casuals but also has an option to still run if that's what the player prefers lol. I didn't expect to get a response but they replied after about 15mins lol XD. They didn't guarantee to implement my request tho but they said they'll be looking to it. I'll just put that in their next survey and hope someone will have the same request lol. 🤣
Sad guy who can't differentiate a normal person to pre-automated response message.
Sad guy who can't differentiate between a normal person and pre-automated message.
You should make a video called the best content creator in gacha gaming with the thumbnail saying Wuwa ruined Saintontas
Kuro did what hoyo couldn't. Improved genshin impact. Lmao
Bro, I am very skeptical on spending money on gatcha/p2w games. this game made me open my wallet big time. if they can double down on VA and music. my god in 2-3 years this game will be bigger than genshin, i can bet my money on it( as i am already doing it).
They got you good lol
really ? mark your word bro, if this false I will drag you to every single WW group
I actually get the 5* gun for Chixia and built her fully for easy exploration and farming at the same time. Only for f***ing Kuro to add this sheessh! Bruh
chixia is pretty good.. she can take ToA and holograms as well... that gadget is for those who doesn't want to switch characters just for a minigame..
@@kasmichan kuro is enabling lazy behaviour. This is a red flag not qol improvement.
@@iflgames3245 uhm not wasting time is not lazy behavior. Kuro is respecting ppl times
@@iflgames3245 well we can use that gadget as additional dmg as well..pretty neat if you ask me..
@@boohooo-f1b it's not respecting people time cuz it's eliminating skill issue. Respecting time is when you make it easier to gain valuable resources.
Daily are still too long labourers for resources that should be obtained. it's not hard to do daily it consumes time.
AIimjng is hard it does not consume time so rendering the aim button unless is enabling poor behaviour in casual players. It creates a culture of baby sitting dumbing down the game for lowest common denominator.
I'm convinced that one section of Kuro HQ that never closes is a bunch of wholesome Asian guys who somehow came to the conclusion that a free 10 pull across all banners wasn't enough to compensate 2 hours of the server being down and they had to add in a free 5 star in the next patch
Fair points.
...but to clarify 4:28, Genshin started off with a 120-resin cap, which received significant criticism as players practically needs to login twice a day. In response to this feedback, the devs increased the resin cap and introduced Condensed Resin in version 1.1.
Glossing over that fact is kinda unfair no?
I think starting the comparison when Genshin was at 160 is far more fair to Genshin; 120 was absolutely pathetic and was corrected within 5 weeks.
Unless you're saying it's more fair for WuWa, but that would make it a blowout ;).
@@saintontasand we can agree on that. By comparison, wuwa's energy system is simply superior.
...but that's not my point.
I'm simply pointing out that it's quite unfair to gloss over the fact that Genshin *did not* take four years to address the resin issue it had at launch.
*"Launched* with a much lower cap on their energy that was increased in later updates...and genshin impact *taking 4 years"*
And to add salt to that problem. They also have a load issue. Especially in phones. So you've been asked to log in twice, suffers that load time twice. And has genshin experience
@@vr4893his entire channel have two purpose. 1. Shill Kuro 2. AntiHoyo
You are not doing anything trying to be good faith to these “people”
@@20ferstyeah...it took me a while to realise that he's the infamous misinformation guy from Mujin's vid.
...but to be really fair, he made some good points in this video, even if it's *slightly* biased.
But yeah...now I'm not very interested in continuing this convo. Have a good day ya'll
healthy competition is always a good thing to advance the standards in gaming. especially in games that offer multiplayer contents.
They ruin everything!! How dare they?!! 😤😤😤
I really hope Kuro keeps up the good work. The game just needs more end game content and further improvement to the echo system. We need ways to trade echos for a type of resource and to see new Sonata Effects for upcoming echoes.
The one thing i don't understand is, people have been waiting for Gaming Devs like this.
They're doing it everything every Consumer is asking for.. yet people still find things to nitpick, butcher, complain about.
So Im in Awe about alot of the Major Content Creators not covering this and praising these DEVS more?
I just hope some of those Doomposting CC"s aren't just lying in wait, i feel like they're all about to burst just to say something negative about that company
and if they do i hope alot of the active community and players remember that one fuck up cannot define the competency of a company, it's should always be about what they do to address negative feedback.
They still hadn't made it great on mobile sadly, mobile players are treated like a second class players. 120FPS, RTX for PC, PS5 release, but no updates or focus on controller support on mobile, a common complaint since launch. Can't say they listened hard enough until that gets added. It's such a basic thing for an action game and that's more impactful than QoL like a shooting droid
It's still better than giving an iPhone 13 pro an option for 120 fps that shit cook my phone real fast that I decided to never use it again😂
this is the thing that the majority of wuwa devs/players overlooked, it's the terrible optimization of Wuthering waves in android, this is the part where they fuck it up harder than genshin, i just hope that they optimize it even more or even change to Unreal Engine 5 i already know it's gonna be a good day
Hoyotards will still complain
I honestly was not interested in playing until the game fully came out. I ended up liking the combat being a devil may cry fan. I did not experience many bugs on launch and the free gifts kept me going. Then Yinlin came out and later Changli. So im locked in now with 2 mommies to play with :)
I'll admit that Kuro isn't perfect and they make quite a few mistakes, but the willingness to own up to it and fix it is worth so much more.
All of things g-game did recently because of competition was not even the bare minimum - it's literally nothing of value if you really know how that game works. It's just a media move along with crocodile tears just people also get some tiny piece of listening, because when you are this big, you don't need to actually do good things - you just need to do a minimum and just spend on marketing like you always do instead of actually improving the game. Sadly people are stupid and this will work.
Wuwa isnt a genshin killer but rather a genshin eye opener
Recently I reached level 45 union or whatever its called so I decided to start farming for Echos to build my characters and I am surprised at how quickly I managed to get good Gold tier Echos with the stats I want. That, and fusing the lower tier Echos I had helped a lot too.
I think WuWa might be the easiest gacha games I ever played when it comes to building characters.
To anyone who thinks competition is bad you are wrong believe it not having a rival.that can potentially over comw you forces both games to keep up quality work while not shoving mediocre shot down our throats or leaving us in.the cold.
Kuro: does literally anything
Entire wuwa community: DEVS LISTENED OMG GENSHIN COULD NEVER TOF DEAD GAME 💀💀💀
I literally saw someone say “we asked for female characters so they made shorekeeper” like the whole devs listened thing is being overused so badly 😭
Literally the community only gives praise when they implement qol updates. Yes the shorekeeper thing is far fetched but maybe, JUST MAYBE, that was a joke.
i love the echo system! the problem for me is that i never have enough echo exp but I have an abundance of tuners - I wish they added farming echo exp like the other training materials even if there was a weekly limit on how much you can farm. But other than that, I'm loving the game and even the things I don't like are less of a bother because I know the devs will just keep improving the game beyond what i can even think of!
👋 Hey. Have a nice day.
"x-company will NEVER beat y-company in monthly revenue charts"
no shit tell me which games have early constellation 1/2 bait that massively improve combat/exploration QoL 😂
or heck, compare how many pulls it takes to get max dupes + weapon refines for a 5-star 😂
we dont even count they have more player compare to the newer one lol
no actually there’s a new way to counter them
when they say this
“ oh? if you say that X company that beat Y company. Then how come X company’s CEO came out and have Crocodile tear and begging players to come back while Y company’s CEO is so casual talk about their improvement despite low revenue? “
It's quite literally the only thing they good at sadly
@@Sao0011 if I not wrong then since when da wei cry and begging player to come back ?????
I remember theres this issue in PGR where CN players are complaining abt the tower of babylon(Challenge similar to hologram) being easy and not challenging so kuro listened and made tower of babylon so damn hard even one of the top players in CN complained and said it was UNBEATABLE. theres a video in YT of that player streaming the level u can check it
They need ro hurry up and put this damn game on PS5.
Genuinely this is why I never regret spending every penny on WuWa.
We need to support good devs.
i know that all of them (kuro and hoyo) will giving more freebies and more QoL to get player attention and playing their game. but i think i will stay playing wuwa and hsr for now. i already stop playing genshin and not interested to play again, even with a lot of freebies and QoL in nathlan because i like the contents that kuro give to player.
*dang bro 4-6 months for one customized artifact? its not worth at all
fr what ruined genshin for me was lip sync (that hsr started doing by audio) and then wuwa came and settle down the rest of the gameplay being better than genshin that is currently outdated, of the open world gachas (there is not much but) wuwa for me its the best. while of the non open world, even tho i don't like turn based games that much HSR seems like the best for me
also the custom artifact should take 1-4 months with the multiple sources idk i don't play it anymore
@@killuad0 here is the right thing,you need the item to craft artifact,but here is the surprise,you need different amount depend on which part you want to craft its like 1-4 of this item and you can only get 1 of them every 18 days? for f2p which is why you hear it takes 1-4 month since for f2p the only thing they will use this on is the elemental goblet which need 4 of those so its take longer to build
Real!!! When I heard about the artifact QoL in GI, I went, "Nevermind!"
I could understand that the catch of once per patch since you choose the main stat and 2 sub stats. But then why not making it easier to get? But still im happy with that
Yes , Kuro is a blessing in gacha game's market , they set-up the standard of a user friendly gacha environment so much so Hoyoverse started to take action be it as little as it is .
I really hope Kuro thrive so that the pressure add-up to Hoyoverse and at the end of the day all of this competition in the market edging Devs to compete and make improvement to their game it ONLY benefits us players so to those who is complaining , u guys really need to re-valuate your priority😅
when the dev doing her job as should be
I hope they know how much we appreciate them because the fans ask for way too much sometimes and I don't want them to stop
DEV'S EAVESDROPPED !!!!
small thing I'd like to point out with the Genshin devs, Hoyoverse has different dev teams for their different games, HSR, Hi3, Gi, and ZZZ, just for some reason the Genshin dev team seems like the greediest of the bunch, and I think the backlash finally got to them or something cause they started stepping up their game recently.
at least this is what I noticed
True, Publisher are not Developers
I mean. Kuro kinda has to listen since it's literally the best way to gain ground in the market vs Hoyo's Genshin. Though that last one first took a hit from their own company wirh HSR fixing stuff that Genshin still 4 yrs in they hadn't fix.
Imagine an industry leader copying a competitor a fraction of their size.
That speaks volumes about their management.
hoyo is basically that one guy you cant ignore or ridicule otherwise the majority will bombard you with their white knight-ness.
while kuro is minding their own business, but everyone trynna gang up on them like its their fault that theyre unsatisfied and/or think no other person can do what someone else (hoyo) is doing.
@@saintontas the thing is, they ran out of excuses. If another project within the same company is implementing those QoL in less than a year in, is already embarrassing especially when it's a project with a lesser budget (let's face it HSR while expensive is not the same as Genshin). Then you have a competitor taking those same QoL and implementing them AT LAUNCH, what kind of excuse would the Genshin devs use to hide?
Competition was clearly what they needed to step up their game, will it be enough? Hard to say, everyone loves the shiny new thing more than the old one, no matter how much the old one gets paint over.
Just say u didn't play PGR.
PGR;
- NO SCAM BANNER. 🗿
- A LOT OF REWARDS AND FREE STUFF. 🗿
- DEVS LISTENED. 🗿
@@juliogomez2534 in short. U don't have to drag other down just because genshin sukcs.
U forgot the thought that what if; they're listening by default 🗿
Genshin's reaction to kuro releasing their newest game is the same as frieza when he saw goku turn into the legendary super saiyan
How to make your Community Spend money on your Game?
Give them Top Notch QOL
A happy Gamer is Basically A potential Spender
I was blown away by this game(wuwa)
I play Genshin backthen "Religiously" (day1 player)
And when I compare the game i just cant believe how Mihoyo freakin scam their player base for 4 years
After coming back to genshin for 5.0 I cannot play the game the same, im always trying Wall run and double jump hahaha
I put Yelan, Kazuha, Sayu on my Exploration team just so i can explore natlan "easier"
Unlike wuwa, the game basically feed you this gadgets to have an immersive open world experience
Tldr: genshin need to step-up so badly man
Even the freakin artifact creation was horendous and timegated
Jeez
Now i only play GI for Lore, just wanted to see how this story would go
P.s. Kachina is so Fun to play beyblade FTW
I was like you back then, and i have spent some decent amount of money on primos and skins till i played hsr which really blow me away with their treatment. Since hsr released i haven't played genshin since.
Give player Top Notch QOL in character and make you pull for them
stockholm syndrome player have no choice but to spend money to get these qol
that is how to make your Community Spend money on your Game!
*and all Exploration qol in character only available in one region(natlan)
Listening to the players thoughts is the least a development could do all i can say is Devs Listened
Genshin didnt... shut up...did they really screw up that bad with the custom artifact HAHAHAHAHAHA I'll make fun of every genshin simp I see , that was one if not the biggest W they got for 5.0 and they got nothing at the end, still could roll into bad rolls lol months of waiting and crafting for nothing... once we get editable stats on echoes is over, we only need to edit maybe 1 stat of a echo to be perfect and if they get 2 possible edit Item per patch Ill be happy for ever, people should use feedback more and ask for Edit echos tuning item and be reasonable get 1 from event 1 from abyss reset store which is every like 30 days
Or at least make it so we can keep changing the substats till we got the ones we want. At least we won't have to worry about getting the main stats
Bro`s in his villain arc over a gacha game
one thing I've come to be sure of. genshin impact has 0 respect for the player's time. in fact they purposefully make everything in the game take so much unnecessary time. no matter how much people complain they just don't care. I didn't notice that for the first year I was playing genshin, but when I gave it another shot after wuwa it was all painfully clear what they were doing. you can glaze genshin all you want that's fine, but don't tell me you don't see what they're doing is on purpose
Yeah it's also the thing that made me quit wuwa faster than genshin. I was left with no motivation when my characters are completed and only left waiting for the next patch so i can build a new character. I have basically reached my goal and felt empty.
@@kieferkippy so? That's literally not a bad thing. Just because you have a lot of free time doesn't mean it's okay for devs to purposefully waste it. Especially for people who have jobs and would also like to play other games, I can't spend more than a couple of hours on a game like genshin, so when one chapter of an archon quests lasts for more than 2 hours I'm never going to be able to catch up to the new content and I just quit the game
@@mrflakey6163 I only play for an hour a day at most. I don't think having a lot of free time even changes anything here.
They only need to listen one last thing - echo exp, then the game is perfect enough for me already (also more male char pls ehe)
And let us use un-upgraded echo as lvl up mat as well
omg this literally reminds me of the hi3 pgr era where each community lived in their own echo chamber holy shit it is happening again
good luck and have fun everyone
You realized theres multiple fans critical of the game right? You should really observe the fandom properly berfore you make a horrible claim like that.
The most hilarious part of this comment is that a huge portion of my channel critiques the devs and their decision making across many of the game's mechanics.
@@saintontas I know right?!?
@@saintontas its ok man. it's okay to be biased about games, just admit it. hoyo cc's are also biased about the games they like while also criticizing the games. no matter how bad the game is, cc's will always find a way to say something positive for the game and demonize other games they don't like (even though sometimes they say facts, their bias is still heard from the tone and grammar used), this also applies to hoyo cc's.
that's one example of echo chamber
it's just how the internet algorithm works nowadays
Meanwhile genshin.........hey traveler is getting into a swimsuit........WAIT WHY IS JUST A 2D PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!
😢
There still going to be people complaint about wuwa being mid. 😂
thats a fact, both GI and WW is mid
@@thebiggestcucumber that why Azur lane is better 😭
@@matteoren6702 anything beside those two are better
They are a lot of good gacha developers out there but It's Kurogames who popularized the Devs Listened because of them being more mainstream compared to other gacha games out there and being constantly compared to one of the most popular gacha which is Genshin
@@Yuukine2365 Kuro listened cuz their launch was trash.
@@iflgames3245 Even if that was the case. I think most players will be happier with being listened than not at all for a shit ton of time. That being said the optmisation still sucks..
@@Kaizo_Sa thats sound werid, its like saying its okay release half ass work gacha game and fix it underway so as its live just to make "Dev Listen" . i hope this mentality wont get outside to my Fav Dev such as Monolith and Falcom.
@@Kindi001 The dev listened meme originated cuz they really did listen. We got a utility that allows us to do ranged missions without using ranged characters and a overcap stamina measure, we got boss rebalancing because players complained it to be hard and a VA rework for second half. And we got this on the second update of this game.
Although people who are heavily biased towards hoyoverse and kuro will just use some random ass Content creator who uses the devs listened meme and shits on genshin to farm engagement . The original devs listened meme had nothing to do with genshin.
@@iflgames3245exactly. But they do better faster than genshin now do they?
Mihoyo have been so stingy for the last three years, getting review bombed every single time and they don't care.
WuWa appears from nowhere and suddenly, Mihoyo starts giving away lots of weapons, free chars, custom artifacts, a little bit of qol. Still no Skip Button, the censorship and the Daily/Weekly restrictions are still there, but it's a good start.
This is why competition is important.
_B-But Star Rail!!_
Idk I don't play that one...
That's only relavant for GI, they are a lot nicer in H:SR and HI3
Right, the typical Kuro shill thinking their B game is the reason genshin is implementing QoL instead of the release of their 4th big game which are starting to cannibalize their own playerbases. This is just Hoyo bringing genshin up to the expectations they cultivated in their own playerbase with the release of Star Rail and now ZZZ.
Don't get me wrong, I like WuWa myself but this is just delusional.
You are more delusional to not consider competition as a factor.
How much did the AI cost to translate this?
@@kantokuuwhat are they competing? Aren’t all Wuwa player just ex Genshin player anyway? It’s not like Genshin got no new player base, in fact it’s probably got the highest new player base out there in the world for a gacha game
@@20ferst I can't bother to argue with someone as dense as you.
A B game winning an award and getting an honorable mention. You say you don't hate WuWa, but your words says otherwise. Typical Hoyo hypocrite
I always love seeing people thinking 160 resin cap was the base for Genshin when in fact 120 used to be the cap for resin in that game for quite a while
the only gacha game i would willingly spend on. they show their love for the game and their community, so i have no problem giving back.
I personally attribute Genshin's recent positive changes to this healthy competition.
It's not about which game will "kill" which game. It's about how one can spur improvements in the other.
if kuro keeps listening ppl will autocomplete the game in 2 clicks and obtain 5stars as login reward every day! this is not a game is a KAREN's paradise
Stupidity is truly one of you’re greatest strengths.
@@Rantinggrounds keep crying karen
@@Rantinggrounds theres no point saving this comment 😔
The way Kuro are listening and fixing, I'm scared they won't have anything left that players can truly spend time or have to grind on. Other than perfect character builders or completionists or even those creepy savers, casual players may start to play less when everything becomes easier. Hope they have a huge fix🙏
I love wuwa but the waveplate convo is totalllllly off. it doesn't matter that the cap is 240, if the lowest consumption activity is 40 waveplates, and the most needed to grind one is 60 waveplates, this means genshin actually gives the player the ability to farm more material as the levels cost less stamina to claim rewards for. In order to equal genshin, wuwa would need 320 waveplates, and they'd also need to refill faster to fill at 320 in 21 hours, as opposed to 32 hours. Genshin allows the player to play about 30% more. I feel this is the only flaw of the game, as I now feel encouraged to only log in maybe every two days, play in bulk, and then log off, as using even 400 stamina only takes perhaps 5 minutes as the realms for weapon materials in wuwa are incredibly short.
This is the primary and only flaw in the game for me. It's absurdly fun, but I simply want to play it more each day.
To boil your critiques down, you are saying that WuWa's material domains costing more stamina (while giving more rewards) is a problem because it makes you play less and repeat less runs?
I'd say that this is an odd critique. WuWa respects your time by increasing the waveplate cost of domains while increasing the rewards so that players don't have to grind repetitive content as often.
If this is a problem, maybe gacha games with an energy system are not right for you? If you want to infinitely grind forever MMORPGs might be more your speed.
gacha game after all, maybe i was so hook with so many mmorpg before werein i can grind all day long and as much as i want.
The rewards doing those waveplates type of dungeon for materials are good, the only one that i would stay away from is the tacet field if there is no event for it dont do it. But you do have a choice.
If you'd like an MMORPG approach start leveling your characters in the overworld to farm yourself an experience for them and shell credits. Though you can't do this on forgery materials so that's where you use your waveplates.
@@saintontasit’s a mobile gacha. The true end game will always be grinding. Their complaint is that the current system in wuwa doesn’t allow you to spend as much time doing that as genshins system, which is true.
Also, giving you 5-10 minutes of actual content to do every 2 days isn’t “respecting your time” it’s simply a lack of content. Their points are valid. Clearing depths for all rewards takes a solid hour of playtime total and you’re done, toa is the same or even faster depending on investment, then all you’re left with is overworld echo farming and mats/resource/tacet field farming. Kuro should’ve started off with more than 4 runs per full waveplate cap.
@@Kota-sk8sl So artificially increasing your playtime by decreasing the rewards and energy cost of activities is a good?
News to me. You really are Shillius Prime.
no but seriously, the modelling resin with Genshin is painful, after hyping such hopes
kuro respects player's real life time?
Of course they don't.
They do. Haters think they don’t because they’ve never felt love before.
I believe there is no respect in this transaction since, they are the one provide and you are the one buy there stuff. theyre listen from the survey, which every other company would do
@@thebiggestcucumber *respects players real life TIME. Also there is such a thing as a respectful transaction
@@playermasterfun7334 who tell you that " respectful transaction " ????? are you draw on your mind ??? read again
Kuro stepped up when genshin couldn't