Wow. Thank you Vice for covering this. I'm 51 and the fact that I had no ideal Taiwan had hip hop artists and other rock artists standing up for democracy is so ecstatic to me. I love art and all artists who believe in fighting against dictatorship it brings tears to my eyes because the world 🌎 is evolving and continue to challenge those who want to put fear into people for their own political gains. Hats off to the artists of Taiwan and everywhere who are willing to fight against the evils of dictatorship. I stand with you.
I am from Taiwan and I can tell you this is nothing more than propaganda. Taiwan is not even the name of our country. It's the Republic of China. If you actually ask the people of Taiwan what they think Taiwan is, you will hear the following responses: 1. We ARE China 2. Not part of China 3. Part of China but not the PRC (mainland) 4. Part of Japan 5. Part of the USA This has NOTHING to do with democracy. Us Taiwanese are just confused AF.
Thank you VICE for interviewing Taiwanese artists🫶 I’m proud of my country even though it is not perfect. But, the biggest difference between China and Taiwan is that we concern about our value and essence of the freedom, democracy, and equality. You can make much money from China, but it’s a huge trap and you cannot win over the communist party because they don’t have any sense of integrity from the past, present, and future. Trust me, they’ll never ever change unless the CCP will be overthrown at some point.
Taiwan is Taiwan. It is a place whose countrymen want to be independent and a democracy. As an American I fully support that. Freedom to my Taiwanese brothers and sisters! 🇹🇼 ❤ 🇺🇸
@@Oblivisci........ LOL educate yourself before you speak for us "Taiwanese." Taiwan is not even the name of our country. It's the Republic of China. If you actually ask the people of Taiwan what they think Taiwan is, you will hear the following responses: 1. We ARE China 2. Not part of China 3. Part of China but not the PRC (mainland) 4. Part of Japan 5. Part of the USA Taiwan doesn't have an "independence" issue. We have an "idenenty issue." It's your Kissinger who flew to Beijin on 1971 July 10th and made the deal with the communist Chinese that led to the eventual ousting of the ROC from the UN. So either get us back in the UN or stfu.
@@ROCnotforsaleSpot on. That is why don’t understand the DPP and the new gen goes on babbling about losing democracy and independence. They even think they are part of Japan and US which is totally embarrassing. I am sure Japan and US will be scratching their head.
The most amazing thing about this documentary is realizing Freddy Lim is already 50, but still barely looks 35. In all seriousness, I was here for the Sunflower movement, and the DPP surge after the Hong Kong protests. I see China's attempt to influence and threaten Taiwanese politics and society on a daily basis. The biggest challenge will be to convince the Taiwanese public that their freedoms are worth infinitely more than any promised stability coming from China. Like Russia to Ukraine, China in its current form will always be a threat to Taiwan. As a general message to all Taiwanese, please do not vote against your future in the upcoming elections and never take your freedoms for granted. Taiwan is an amazing example of how a country can evolve into a thriving democracy while being surrounded by countless influences trying to tear it down.
for those of you who don't know, @ 6:17, this is the same guy @ 0:58. He's a Taiwanese congressman/legislator, but he had been the lead singer of the heavy metal bend Chthonic for years. The bassist is his wife.
Which China, republic of China or China.😂 how can Taiwan fights against itself. How can Taiwan(Republic of China) fights against China itself. If Taiwan fights against China, Taiwan will be fighting Taiwan(Republic of China) as well😂 hahahaha clowns
Blessings to the people of Taiwan, stand strong and stay free, this American supports you in your stance against the oppressive dictatorship of PRC and the CCP. Xi must be stopped!
Which China, republic of China or China.😂 how can Taiwan fights against itself. How can Taiwan(Republic of China) fights against China itself. If Taiwan fights against China, Taiwan will be fighting Taiwan(Republic of China) as well😂 hahahaha clowns
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I remember that guy, hardcore, don’t do that 3:20 make music, art, write, wear crazy clothes, color your hair, kiss someone you love, tell jokes - you are free to try everything - again don’t set yourself on fire… stick around and be fucking awesome! 🤟🏻✌🏼
The Republic of China is the official name but people across the globe call it Taiwan. The IOC calls Taiwan ‘ Chinese Taipei’. It’s already an independent state:currency, national flag and so forth. The UN and its affiliated organizations cannot call it Taiwan because the CCP prohibits Taiwan from its membership.
"the CCP prohibits Taiwan from its membership" Are you serious? Kissinger was the one who flew to Beijing on 1971 July 10th and made the deal with the communist Chinese that led to the eventual ousting of the ROC from the UN. UN stated because of resolution 2578, the matter of the ROC is a matter of "representation" and not "membership" since there can only be one China. The ROC lost our representation because of the USA's trip to communist China so you might want to re-educate yourself on the facts.
@@abcdedfg8340 Policy? Wtf are you talking about policy? Unification? Did you know the ROC also wanted to unify the the PRC under our constitution? Did you know Taiwan even had a "national unification council" ? Unification is written in both constitutions of the PRC and the ROC. Taiwan's National unification council was only terminated by DPP' Chen. Instead of the unification council, he proposed the "four no's." No independence No changing of the name (ROC) No "two-nations" talk No changing of the status quo What do you know about "Taiwan"?
@@ROCnotforsale Have you ever thought of how the prc treats politicians or taiwan/roc when it seems to be leaning away from not wanting to be called china? Just wondering.
@@abcdedfg8340 Didn't you just say "you will only ask me what is the policy of the PRC?" Now it's "how the PRC treats politicians?" "leaning away from not wanting to be called China?" That is precisely the difference between someone as uninformed as you and someone who actually knows "Taiwan." I don't "wonder" like you and the other Taiwanese who are clueless . I actually "know." I have a question for you. Do you read? Have you read any historical documents related to China, Taiwan, and the US? In case you haven't read, I have already said Kissinger was the one who flew to Beijing on 1971 July 10th and made the deal with the communist Chinese that led to the eventual ousting of the ROC from the UN. UN stated because of resolution 2578, the matter of the ROC is a matter of "representation" and not "membership" since there can only be "one China." The ROC lost our representation because of the USA's trip to communist China. When Kissinger went to Beijing and spoke to Zhou En Lai about normalizing their relationship, the first thing Zhou asked Kissinger was to "recognize Taiwan is an inseparable part of China." Kissinger hemmed and hawed and tried his hardest to not reply to Zhou's question on Taiwan, but he eventually conceded. When Zhou asked how Kissinger would be able to get this deal worked out at the UN, Kissinger told Zhou how the US would manipulate the UNSC vote in order to allow the PRC to replace the ROC at the UN. The matter of Taiwan/mainland is not a membership issue but a representation issue therefore as long as the PRC holds the UN seat for China, Taiwan is fucked thanks to the US. Therefore, if Taiwan has an issue with the PRC asking what was done by the USA 50 years ago and is agreed under UN and all of its members' recognition, then Taiwan needs to take it up to the US and NOT the PRC. The PRC did not go to the US 50 years ago and ask for the annexation of the ROC. The US did. So until you stop whining and realize the facts and deal with the actual source of the problem, stop spreading misinformation and brainwashing those who are uninformed like you. Back to your ridiculous question: " how the prc treats politicians or taiwan/roc when it seems to be leaning away from not wanting to be called china? Just wondering." Answer: As per UN resolution 2578, it says "to restore all its rights to the PRC of China and to recognize the representatives of its government as the only representative of China to the UN and to expelforthwith the representatives of CKS from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the UN." As far as 2578 is concerned, the ROC ceased to be a "legal representative of China" since Oct 25th 1971. The ROC became a de facto government instead of a de jure "Chinese" government on that very day thanks to the USA. Does it mean the ROC stopped being China? NO. Whose fault is it? NOT the PRC. It was the US who planned this whole thing. So I don't understand why you keep bitching about what the PRC is doing. They are literally exercising their rights given to them by the USA. Why is the PRC adamant and insist Taiwan "must" unify with China? Because literally the US made a deal 50 years ago with the Communist Chinese. The US didn't simply just want to "be friends" with the PRC for nothing. Nixon was the one who made it happened and he said it very clearly it was a decision solely based on US "interests" because he does not believe the PRC's communism system align with America's ideology. In exchange, the US was able to use the normalization with the PRC to their advantage. In the 1980s, the CIA asked to setup "Spy towers" along the USSR/PRC border to spy on USSR's nuclear program. The US also benefitted massively from the PRC's cheap labour therefore cheap Chinese goods for decades. You think the PRC would allow the US to be the only beneficiary of this "deal"? If you are from Taiwan like me, then you need to get off your moral high horse because of your ignorance. Start learning the actual facts these politicians either don't know themselves or don't want you to know. The issue of Taiwan for the US is simply a business transaction just like what they did with the PRC. Everything is about "US interests."
The fact that we get free videos on TH-cam by VICE News is truly a gift. 👏👏👏 May I also remind you the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions. Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shocking sad truth. 😔 In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return it to rightful owners Native American people. Notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deals, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 😔🤷
My jaw dropped as I learnt Native American population in their motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions. Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION. It is a jaw dropping shockingly sad truth. 😔
Speaking of Native American people who have not occupied an inch of European land, or slaughtered a single European in Europe; while European Colonizers have occupied both North & South America lands and terminated 99.9% of Natives population. Speaking of Europe which is actually a huge livable Continent with 45 nations. Russia alone is a ginormous nation which occupies nearly half of Europe with a relatively small population. Nearly half of mainland Asia, from Siberia to Far-East Asia also is inside Russia." "The 'land grab' is more of the same in Asia-Pacific region where European Colonizers such as Britain and Russia have already Colonized half of Asia, stretching from Australia/New Zealand, to Siberia/Far-East, all in Asia-Pacific region.😔
The Christian West would commit and practice a great many cardinal sins, many of them knowingly, such as centuries-long global; - 'Colonization', - 'Genocide', - 'Slavery', - 'Colonialism', - 'Global Warming', etc which benefits them enormously for centuries worldwide; then they would initiate and take a measure to ban those practices worldwide, and take credit for it. (Note: Today's global warming is caused in large part by nearly two centuries of excessive coal burning, mainly in the West). Slavery, Colonialism and Colonization are evil things done by evildoers. Here in Singapore, a tiny island with 6 million souls lives like sardines in a can, where else in nearby vast bountiful Australia in Asia-Pacific region which is ten thousand times 10,000 bigger with a mere 27 million inhabitants. A similar situation in tiny and packed Japan, which is running out of space and land. Do you know that their living room and bedroom are the same place, and that most Japanese people sleep in their living room. 😔 Anglo Western Colonization of, - North America & South America, - Siberia & Far-East Asia, - Australia & New Zealand in Asia-Pacific. 😔 Europe for Native Europeans, Africa for Native Africans, America for Native Americans, Asia-Pacific for Native Asians-Pacific islanders. 🤷
It’s amazing to see how far the African American influence of fashion & hip hop has reached, it’s made its way across the seas to Taiwan. Who would have ever thought 😊
Great in-depth and accurate video about Taiwan's democracy, culture and art. Thank you for making this kind of English content available to combat the fake information China is spreading and buying online.
Can't agree with u more, American always obsess in politicizing everything especially between Mainland China and Taiwan. they like to see the intensified confrontation relationship across the Taiwan strait.
No logic exists for separation of Taiwan from mainland China. Till 1894 it was part of Imperial China. Then it had to be ceded to Japan because of China's defeat in Sino-Japanese war and continued like that for next 50 yrs. In 1945 Japan was defeated in WWII and Taiwan reverted to China under rule of Chiang Kai Shek. Thus the pre 1894 status was restored. In 1949 Chiang himself was defeated by Communist forces and found recluse in Taiwan. This was a purely civil war therefore the legal status can not be changed by who occupies which part of the parent country. It is a matter to be settled by peace treaty or by war which will be deemed as continuation of the Civil War. No scope for any foreign interference exists. But the US and Western media have created the fiction of Taiwan's right to self determination and demand permanent renunciation of right to use force by China. These people can make an elephant out of a donkey.
Many of these songs pointed out the problems in society or record the history that happened, which I feel very touching and profound. There are more Taiwanese artists kowtow for the Chinese market, so that's why I think these people are impressive.
I AM TAIWANESE AND I AM PROUD!!!!!!!!!!! We're also the first country in Asia to legalize gay marriage. And transgender individuals can put the gender they identify as on their national id. And gay couples can adopt children. 🏳🌈🏳⚧🌈
American people are english. They speak, read and write English , so it makes sense right ? South American people are all spanish and portuguese, by the same logic. Get a grip mate
@@djsapien3448 How did the general area of mainland china expand? Do you think the land was empty before it became part of whatever dynasty ruled at the time?
@@abcdedfg8340 That makes China a civilizational state with millennia of ethnic dynamics. It's orientalism to project the western settler colonial label on such an ancient culture.
Interesting fact, the Taiwan Marines still use a flag with a map of the entire Chinese territory including Doklam, SCS with 11 dash lines, Siberia (Russia), Outer Mongolia (Mongolia)
Black folks are most copied and imitated but also the most discriminated against globally but we move cos God created us differently. Big ups to hiphop and all the other inventions of black folks 🖤✊🏿✌🏿
Actually the pop music in China were still dominating the market, about 70% songs are Taiwanese music derivatives. Of course China gov control the market according of their political need.
Personal political view expressed through rapping is acceptable in Taiwan but not China. It's every local singer and musician reality living and performing inside China. It doesn't need any elaboration。
They need to promote the Taiwanese languages like Hokkien, Hakka and the indigenous languages in order to separate from the idea they all speak "Chinese"
Very disappointed for such a misleading by documentary by vice. The phoney artist only represent the very few pro independence group and power hungry ddp party. So how much did the government pay for this lips servicing video? They have let people down in Taiwan and this propaganda is not appreciated.
News flash: People can do two things at once. This is not a zero-sum game. Working on this piece (probably long before the recent events in Israel) does not say anything about other issues. Quit making something out of nothing.
@@TaiwanisMoving The pro-Palestinian crowd are the most annoying and persistent bunch out there, yelling words into the void of the internet and achieving nothing. All while their Gazans think nothing of stoning gay people and voting in terrorists by plurality vote. Just ignore them, it achieves the same effect as their advocacy for that terrorist state.
First-rate artists create something for humanity. Second-rate artists create something for society. Third-rate artists create something for politics. Of course China also has "musicians" who sing for state propaganda and they are not true musicians at all. At least these guys try to express something, but let's not overrate them.
How utterly ridiculous and amusing is this video! The Vice team tries to cover a group of talentless, inconsequential artists in East Asia, framing it as a form of resistance against China's plans to unify with Taiwan. They seem desperate to extract some elusive meaning from this endeavor, which is truly pitiful. As a Chinese person, let me be frank: the unification of China is an inevitability. Anyone who fails to foresee this clearly lacks an understanding of East Asian history over the past several millennia. China has seen dozens of divisions throughout its history, with each independent regime claiming legitimacy and developing cultures rich in personality and regional characteristics. Yet, in each instance of division, China inevitably moved towards unification, with all these distinct cultures eventually becoming part of a richer, more diverse China. You might wonder why China keeps moving towards unification. It's because the races, cultures, and economies of this land are inherently interconnected. With the evolution of human societal behavior, unification is the only natural progression, much like gravity, an unstoppable law of nature. Taiwan's temporary independence and separation are merely the wishful thinking of politicians and military leaders. I can only say that the editors at Vice are incredibly naive.
It's interesting that a "country" with per capita GDP of $34k and a vibrant economy feels oppressed by PRC. I remember reading a CIA document which described how they can plant the seeds of dissent through poetry, art, and music.
@@abcdedfg8340 perhaps you should write a better comment that simply telling me to google before commenting. Your vapid comment adds nothing to the discourse. If you feel like crying then I can provide you with a kerchief
Wow. Thank you Vice for covering this. I'm 51 and the fact that I had no ideal Taiwan had hip hop artists and other rock artists standing up for democracy is so ecstatic to me. I love art and all artists who believe in fighting against dictatorship it brings tears to my eyes because the world 🌎 is evolving and continue to challenge those who want to put fear into people for their own political gains. Hats off to the artists of Taiwan and everywhere who are willing to fight against the evils of dictatorship. I stand with you.
I am from Taiwan and I can tell you this is nothing more than propaganda. Taiwan is not even the name of our country. It's the Republic of China. If you actually ask the people of Taiwan what they think Taiwan is, you will hear the following responses:
1. We ARE China
2. Not part of China
3. Part of China but not the PRC (mainland)
4. Part of Japan
5. Part of the USA
This has NOTHING to do with democracy. Us Taiwanese are just confused AF.
LOL - you as a Black man believe in the lie called "democracy". Let's see how much Black people profited from "democracy" until now. 🤣🤣🤣
Please call us Taiwanese Japanese, because when Taiwan was colonized by Japan, our Taiwanese mothers volunteered to be comfort women
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@@sanzhang-ym9zm Please get help. I think you need it.
Thank you VICE for interviewing Taiwanese artists🫶 I’m proud of my country even though it is not perfect. But, the biggest difference between China and Taiwan is that we concern about our value and essence of the freedom, democracy, and equality.
You can make much money from China, but it’s a huge trap and you cannot win over the communist party because they don’t have any sense of integrity from the past, present, and future. Trust me, they’ll never ever change unless the CCP will be overthrown at some point.
Taiwan is Taiwan. It is a place whose countrymen want to be independent and a democracy. As an American I fully support that. Freedom to my Taiwanese brothers and sisters! 🇹🇼 ❤ 🇺🇸
@@Oblivisci........😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
@@Oblivisci........ LOL educate yourself before you speak for us "Taiwanese." Taiwan is not even the name of our country. It's the Republic of China. If you actually ask the people of Taiwan what they think Taiwan is, you will hear the following responses:
1. We ARE China
2. Not part of China
3. Part of China but not the PRC (mainland)
4. Part of Japan
5. Part of the USA
Taiwan doesn't have an "independence" issue. We have an "idenenty issue."
It's your Kissinger who flew to Beijin on 1971 July 10th and made the deal with the communist Chinese that led to the eventual ousting of the ROC from the UN. So either get us back in the UN or stfu.
@@accountantthe3394 Yup this guy is a clown indeed.
@@ROCnotforsaleSpot on. That is why don’t understand the DPP and the new gen goes on babbling about losing democracy and independence. They even think they are part of Japan and US which is totally embarrassing. I am sure Japan and US will be scratching their head.
我台灣，我驕傲，更捍衛台灣民主與自由，即使犧牲生命
I am Taiwan, I am proud, and I will defend Taiwan’s democracy and freedom even if I sacrifice my life.
说难听点，大陆需要收复的只是台湾岛的土地。
为你点赞，到时候不要逃走哦。
@@but_at_what_cost 怕你不敢來
@@but_at_what_cost 中共国敢侵略台湾吗？
I'm proud to be a Taiwanese!❤
And proud to be racist 😂😂
Wait for dady xi
You mean Chinese because your passport still states republic of China under nationality.
@@codeagent47 yes he means gutter oil water Chinese
@@maheshrathod204歷史去讀好再來評論，
，好嗎😂，這種東西在台灣小學就交過了，為什麼比國際賽的時候不能叫台灣要叫中華台北？真正的原因是什麼？等等，等你知道後再來講，不要什麼都不知道就在那邊胡言亂語
The most amazing thing about this documentary is realizing Freddy Lim is already 50, but still barely looks 35.
In all seriousness, I was here for the Sunflower movement, and the DPP surge after the Hong Kong protests. I see China's attempt to influence and threaten Taiwanese politics and society on a daily basis. The biggest challenge will be to convince the Taiwanese public that their freedoms are worth infinitely more than any promised stability coming from China. Like Russia to Ukraine, China in its current form will always be a threat to Taiwan.
As a general message to all Taiwanese, please do not vote against your future in the upcoming elections and never take your freedoms for granted. Taiwan is an amazing example of how a country can evolve into a thriving democracy while being surrounded by countless influences trying to tear it down.
for those of you who don't know, @ 6:17, this is the same guy @ 0:58. He's a Taiwanese congressman/legislator, but he had been the lead singer of the heavy metal bend Chthonic for years. The bassist is his wife.
Thanks for being a voice for Taiwanese people!
Which China, republic of China or China.😂 how can Taiwan fights against itself. How can Taiwan(Republic of China) fights against China itself. If Taiwan fights against China, Taiwan will be fighting Taiwan(Republic of China) as well😂 hahahaha clowns
@@ericjiang7986China troll 🤡
@@ericjiang7986taiwan its not part of china period!
@@ericjiang7986
Taiwan is not the People of republic of China
Do your homework
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@@chibchan3765 The consitution of the ROC beg to differ.....
Taiwan needs to expand their own identity in their Neighboring countries.
yeah, I agree, maybe call them Japanese from now on.
@@hannibalyin8853 Please call us Taiwanese Japanese, because when Taiwan was colonized by Japan, our Taiwanese mothers volunteered to be comfort women
I'm glad they covered the metal scene tbh. Not enough love goes out to them.
Lovely to see Freddy Lim, i love chthonic. Free Taiwan!
Blessings to the people of Taiwan, stand strong and stay free, this American supports you in your stance against the oppressive dictatorship of PRC and the CCP. Xi must be stopped!
Xi Jinping is awesome.
Why?China is doing pretty well and the people are happy and prosperous now ....why you wanna destroy it?you afraid of the competition isn't
Good luck to these music Artists..
Which China, republic of China or China.😂 how can Taiwan fights against itself. How can Taiwan(Republic of China) fights against China itself. If Taiwan fights against China, Taiwan will be fighting Taiwan(Republic of China) as well😂 hahahaha clowns
The word music is being disrespected.
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Covid started and was made in Wuhan
hmm i wonder if i lived in china I could say the following ....
FREE HONGKONG
FREE PENG Shuai
FREE HONGKONG
FREE PENG Shuai
Xi looks like winnie the pooh
Xi looks like winnie the pooh
免费香港
免彭帅
Xi长得像小熊维尼
免费香港
免彭帅
Xi长得像小熊维尼
免费香港
免彭帅
Xi长得像小熊维尼
uyghur genocide camps
维吾尔种族灭绝营
维吾尔种族灭绝营
维吾尔种族灭绝营
维吾尔种族灭绝营
Covid在武汉开始并制造Covid在武汉开始并制造Covid在武汉开始并制造Covid在武汉开始并制造@@ericjiang7986
@@ericjiang7986Does Xi Jinping pay you for every post?
Taiwan No.1 你們都太棒了 ,幫台灣❤做國民外交，有你們這些優秀年輕人讓我們一起為台灣加油，尤其有一位外國網紅希望台灣多一些傳播媒介，介紹台灣的歌唱、藝術、電視劇及文化像韓國一樣像世界看到台灣⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯😊❤
I remember that guy, hardcore, don’t do that 3:20 make music, art, write, wear crazy clothes, color your hair, kiss someone you love, tell jokes - you are free to try everything - again don’t set yourself on fire… stick around and be fucking awesome! 🤟🏻✌🏼
The Republic of China is the official name but people across the globe call it Taiwan. The IOC calls Taiwan ‘
Chinese Taipei’. It’s already an independent state:currency, national flag and so forth. The UN and its affiliated organizations cannot call it Taiwan because the CCP prohibits Taiwan from its membership.
"the CCP prohibits Taiwan from its membership" Are you serious?
Kissinger was the one who flew to Beijing on 1971 July 10th and made the deal with the communist Chinese that led to the eventual ousting of the ROC from the UN. UN stated because of resolution 2578, the matter of the ROC is a matter of "representation" and not "membership" since there can only be one China. The ROC lost our representation because of the USA's trip to communist China so you might want to re-educate yourself on the facts.
@@ROCnotforsale I will only ask you this. What is the policy of the PRC towards Taiwan/ROC. Think about it.
@@abcdedfg8340 Policy? Wtf are you talking about policy? Unification? Did you know the ROC also wanted to unify the the PRC under our constitution? Did you know Taiwan even had a "national unification council" ? Unification is written in both constitutions of the PRC and the ROC. Taiwan's National unification council was only terminated by DPP' Chen. Instead of the unification council, he proposed the "four no's."
No independence
No changing of the name (ROC)
No "two-nations" talk
No changing of the status quo
What do you know about "Taiwan"?
@@ROCnotforsale Have you ever thought of how the prc treats politicians or taiwan/roc when it seems to be leaning away from not wanting to be called china? Just wondering.
@@abcdedfg8340 Didn't you just say "you will only ask me what is the policy of the PRC?" Now it's "how the PRC treats politicians?" "leaning away from not wanting to be called China?"
That is precisely the difference between someone as uninformed as you and someone who actually knows "Taiwan."
I don't "wonder" like you and the other Taiwanese who are clueless . I actually "know." I have a question for you. Do you read? Have you read any historical documents related to China, Taiwan, and the US?
In case you haven't read, I have already said Kissinger was the one who flew to Beijing on 1971 July 10th and made the deal with the communist Chinese that led to the eventual ousting of the ROC from the UN. UN stated because of resolution 2578, the matter of the ROC is a matter of "representation" and not "membership" since there can only be "one China." The ROC lost our representation because of the USA's trip to communist China.
When Kissinger went to Beijing and spoke to Zhou En Lai about normalizing their relationship, the first thing Zhou asked Kissinger was to "recognize Taiwan is an inseparable part of China." Kissinger hemmed and hawed and tried his hardest to not reply to Zhou's question on Taiwan, but he eventually conceded.
When Zhou asked how Kissinger would be able to get this deal worked out at the UN, Kissinger told Zhou how the US would manipulate the UNSC vote in order to allow the PRC to replace the ROC at the UN. The matter of Taiwan/mainland is not a membership issue but a representation issue therefore as long as the PRC holds the UN seat for China, Taiwan is fucked thanks to the US.
Therefore, if Taiwan has an issue with the PRC asking what was done by the USA 50 years ago and is agreed under UN and all of its members' recognition, then Taiwan needs to take it up to the US and NOT the PRC. The PRC did not go to the US 50 years ago and ask for the annexation of the ROC. The US did.
So until you stop whining and realize the facts and deal with the actual source of the problem, stop spreading misinformation and brainwashing those who are uninformed like you.
Back to your ridiculous question: " how the prc treats politicians or taiwan/roc when it seems to be leaning away from not wanting to be called china? Just wondering."
Answer: As per UN resolution 2578, it says "to restore all its rights to the PRC of China and to recognize the representatives of its government as the only representative of China to the UN and to expelforthwith the representatives of CKS from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the UN."
As far as 2578 is concerned, the ROC ceased to be a "legal representative of China" since Oct 25th 1971.
The ROC became a de facto government instead of a de jure "Chinese" government on that very day thanks to the USA. Does it mean the ROC stopped being China? NO. Whose fault is it? NOT the PRC. It was the US who planned this whole thing. So I don't understand why you keep bitching about what the PRC is doing. They are literally exercising their rights given to them by the USA.
Why is the PRC adamant and insist Taiwan "must" unify with China? Because literally the US made a deal 50 years ago with the Communist Chinese. The US didn't simply just want to "be friends" with the PRC for nothing. Nixon was the one who made it happened and he said it very clearly it was a decision solely based on US "interests" because he does not believe the PRC's communism system align with America's ideology. In exchange, the US was able to use the normalization with the PRC to their advantage. In the 1980s, the CIA asked to setup "Spy towers" along the USSR/PRC border to spy on USSR's nuclear program. The US also benefitted massively from the PRC's cheap labour therefore cheap Chinese goods for decades. You think the PRC would allow the US to be the only beneficiary of this "deal"?
If you are from Taiwan like me, then you need to get off your moral high horse because of your ignorance. Start learning the actual facts these politicians either don't know themselves or don't want you to know. The issue of Taiwan for the US is simply a business transaction just like what they did with the PRC. Everything is about "US interests."
The fact that we get free videos on TH-cam by VICE News is truly a gift. 👏👏👏
May I also remind you the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions.
Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shocking sad truth. 😔
In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return it to rightful owners Native American people.
Notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deals, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 😔🤷
A gift.
My jaw dropped as I learnt Native American population in their motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions.
Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION. It is a jaw dropping shockingly sad truth. 😔
Speaking of Native American people who have not occupied an inch of European land, or slaughtered a single European in Europe; while European Colonizers have occupied both North & South America lands and terminated 99.9% of Natives population.
Speaking of Europe which is actually a huge livable Continent with 45 nations. Russia alone is a ginormous nation which occupies nearly half of Europe with a relatively small population. Nearly half of mainland Asia, from Siberia to Far-East Asia also is inside Russia."
"The 'land grab' is more of the same in Asia-Pacific region where European Colonizers such as Britain and Russia have already Colonized half of Asia, stretching from Australia/New Zealand, to Siberia/Far-East, all in Asia-Pacific region.😔
“奴隶制、殖民主义、殖民化”都是坏人干的坏事。
说到欧洲，其实是一个拥有45个国家的巨大的宜居大陆。仅俄罗斯一个大国，人口相对较少，就占据了近半个欧洲。“掠夺土地”在亚太地区更是如此，英国和俄罗斯等欧洲殖民者已经殖民了半个亚洲，延伸到亚太地区。从澳大利亚/新西兰到西伯利亚/远东，全部位于亚太地区。
毫无疑问，“贪婪”是种族灭绝、奴隶制、殖民主义和殖民化背后的主要驱动力... 正如我所说，奴隶制、殖民主义和殖民化都是恶人所做的恶事和受益者. 🤷
The Christian West would commit and practice a great many cardinal sins, many of them knowingly, such as centuries-long global;
- 'Colonization',
- 'Genocide',
- 'Slavery',
- 'Colonialism',
- 'Global Warming', etc which benefits them enormously for centuries worldwide; then they would initiate and take a measure to ban those practices worldwide, and take credit for it.
(Note: Today's global warming is caused in large part by nearly two centuries of excessive coal burning, mainly in the West).
Slavery, Colonialism and Colonization are evil things done by evildoers.
Here in Singapore, a tiny island with 6 million souls lives like sardines in a can, where else in nearby vast bountiful Australia in Asia-Pacific region which is ten thousand times 10,000 bigger with a mere 27 million inhabitants.
A similar situation in tiny and packed Japan, which is running out of space and land. Do you know that their living room and bedroom are the same place, and that most Japanese people sleep in their living room. 😔
Anglo Western Colonization of,
- North America & South America,
- Siberia & Far-East Asia,
- Australia & New Zealand in Asia-Pacific. 😔
Europe for Native Europeans,
Africa for Native Africans,
America for Native Americans,
Asia-Pacific for Native Asians-Pacific islanders. 🤷
Oh fucking hell, I keep forgetting this...
You need to show _who_ the sponsor is in the description!
It’s amazing to see how far the African American influence of fashion & hip hop has reached, it’s made its way across the seas to Taiwan. Who would have ever thought 😊
It’s even more popular in Japan and Korea
mate.. how is that asian guy 50??? looks like he’s 20
he was born in 1976
Vice finally being unbiased again good to see
I hope you are being sarcastic...
@@ROCnotforsale you seem obsessed with American politics
@@Yoseph1988 You seem to be confused with politics vs facts. Perhaps stop watching propaganda may help.
@@ROCnotforsale having to like your own comments shows desperation
@@Yoseph1988 Desperation for what? Taiwan's situation or what? Be specific.
Great in-depth and accurate video about Taiwan's democracy, culture and art. Thank you for making this kind of English content available to combat the fake information China is spreading and buying online.
Please call us Taiwanese Japanese, because when Taiwan was colonized by Japan, our Taiwanese mothers volunteered to be comfort women
@@sanzhang-ym9zm ↑ Thank you for perfectly demonstrating exactly the kind of Chinese propaganda and fake information and I was referring to.
Long live Taiwan. From the republic of somaliland.
唯一支持赖萧配！冻蒜！年轻人一定要支持！
相較於國民黨執政，過去這幾年民進黨執政，台灣的國際高度，經濟，防疫，民主自由度等-- 均有明顯進步。最重要的是，做為一個台灣人的榮譽感更強了。
3票投民進黨持續改革國防外交及加強內政，建設不間斷。美德贏台灣。
2024唯一支持投賴清德當選台灣總統 民進黨國會國半 悍衛台灣主權及民主自由！
@@allie2143莱猪，过期巴西蛋，电厂贪污案等等了解一下 😂
❤🇹🇼👍
Isn’t that the flag of Republic of China?
@@ericjiang7986Yes. And it is still a separate country from the prc. If you are out of arguments, maybe best to do something else?
@@abcdedfg8340Separate when? Where's the taiwan embassy in Washington DC? Lol
@@accountantthe3394 Go figure out the answers yourself. I will not help you.
@@abcdedfg8340 No answer then? Yep, that's what I thought
I think I saw this guy at the airport in Taiwan 😅
Don’t politicize musics, the world is already sick of Cold War. Go home, American!
Can't agree with u more, American always obsess in politicizing everything especially between Mainland China and Taiwan. they like to see the intensified confrontation relationship across the Taiwan strait.
I got bullied for wearing a Chthonic shirt in ozzfest 05 this is great to see
Behold the power of the metal.
Awesome to have freedom, respect what it meant to have it. Go ROC 🇹🇼 Taiwan ❤
ROC stands for what again ?
Taiwan number 1
Barely anyone in China knows them so what fight back?
No logic exists for separation of Taiwan from mainland China. Till 1894 it was part of Imperial China. Then it had to be ceded to Japan because of China's defeat in Sino-Japanese war and continued like that for next 50 yrs. In 1945 Japan was defeated in WWII and Taiwan reverted to China under rule of Chiang Kai Shek. Thus the pre 1894 status was restored. In 1949 Chiang himself was defeated by Communist forces and found recluse in Taiwan. This was a purely civil war therefore the legal status can not be changed by who occupies which part of the parent country. It is a matter to be settled by peace treaty or by war which will be deemed as continuation of the Civil War. No scope for any foreign interference exists. But the US and Western media have created the fiction of Taiwan's right to self determination and demand permanent renunciation of right to use force by China. These people can make an elephant out of a donkey.
Go get some fresh air. I dont think you are thinking clearly.
Many of these songs pointed out the problems in society or record the history that happened, which I feel very touching and profound.
There are more Taiwanese artists kowtow for the Chinese market, so that's why I think these people are impressive.
Thank you, Vice. I’m so proud of you for sharing this with us.
So the Seaweed video is unavailable in romania for some reason?
臺灣🇹🇼加油！
中華民國 🇹🇼
@@codeagent47Yes. As you seem to have mentioned, different country from the prc.
@@abcdedfg8340
Which it is still China. This is a Chinese nationalist flag 🇹🇼 FACT
@@codeagent47Yeah. So are you admitting there are two chinas? Or are you just running out of arguments?
@@abcdedfg8340
That’s the point. There are two Chinas
I AM TAIWANESE AND I AM PROUD!!!!!!!!!!! We're also the first country in Asia to legalize gay marriage. And transgender individuals can put the gender they identify as on their national id. And gay couples can adopt children. 🏳🌈🏳⚧🌈
i'm sorry for the future generations of your nation, and hopefully the woke agenda won't affect you as badly as it did in USA
Taiwanese people are Chinese, have Chinese names, speak Chinese, eat Chinese cuisine, read and write Chinese characters lol.
American people are english. They speak, read and write English , so it makes sense right ?
South American people are all spanish and portuguese, by the same logic.
Get a grip mate
@@glass-yuzu America and every South American country are settler colonial states. China is not lol.
@@djsapien3448 How did the general area of mainland china expand? Do you think the land was empty before it became part of whatever dynasty ruled at the time?
@@abcdedfg8340 That makes China a civilizational state with millennia of ethnic dynamics. It's orientalism to project the western settler colonial label on such an ancient culture.
Interesting fact, the Taiwan Marines still use a flag with a map of the entire Chinese territory including Doklam, SCS with 11 dash lines, Siberia (Russia), Outer Mongolia (Mongolia)
TAIWAN🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼TAIWAN
Black folks are most copied and imitated but also the most discriminated against globally but we move cos God created us differently. Big ups to hiphop and all the other inventions of black folks 🖤✊🏿✌🏿
Actually the pop music in China were still dominating the market, about 70% songs are Taiwanese music derivatives. Of course China gov control the market according of their political need.
Where will they flee when the rebellious province is reunified with The Motherland?
Taiwan is the real China. China is a usurper serfdom.
Personal political view expressed through rapping is acceptable in Taiwan but not China. It's every local singer and musician reality living and performing inside China. It doesn't need any elaboration。
Wow mad respect for the Taiwanese ❤
大支．他為台灣發聲牽扯到政治而無法像同期饒舌搭檔．歌手熱狗一樣表演不會受到限制而賺的口袋滿滿！但她還是堅持走對的路這就是台灣的價值！大支跟我同年！但與他的付出和格局我是真的顯得渺小！ｒｅｓｐｅｃｔ
大只 is Awesome!!
Dwagie for the win!!!!!
Before Chiang, they were all second class Japanese subjects.
Dwagie is the KRS One of Taiwan.
They need to promote the Taiwanese languages like Hokkien, Hakka and the indigenous languages in order to separate from the idea they all speak "Chinese"
# Free Tibet # Free Palestine
Much better if you cover how cuban artists fight back against american brutal economic blockade.
🇹🇼
Chthonic is a great band.
Keep Taiwan free!
4:30 The term "Simplified Chinese" should start with capitals because it's a literary language. Taiwan and Hong Kong use Traditional Chinese.
Ha? 语言和文字都分不清楚？
TAIWAN🇹🇼🇹🇼
Love this so much - go Taiwan! Such a cool place.
This for vice
五月天 和 八三夭都在大陸開巡演誒你們要不要杯葛他們？
Creativity is the way out of hell.
Very disappointed for such a misleading by documentary by vice. The phoney artist only represent the very few pro independence group and power hungry ddp party. So how much did the government pay for this lips servicing video? They have let people down in Taiwan and this propaganda is not appreciated.
Taiwan ❤🇹🇼
You mean that’s Chinese nationalist flag 🇹🇼
@@codeagent47Does Xi Jinping pay you for every post?
@@Oblivisci........ hope but the CIA does…
Vice 😃
You call this music?
not sure about this fight but how about VICE talks about the genocide in Gaza?
News flash: People can do two things at once. This is not a zero-sum game. Working on this piece (probably long before the recent events in Israel) does not say anything about other issues. Quit making something out of nothing.
@@TaiwanisMoving
The pro-Palestinian crowd are the most annoying and persistent bunch out there, yelling words into the void of the internet and achieving nothing. All while their Gazans think nothing of stoning gay people and voting in terrorists by plurality vote. Just ignore them, it achieves the same effect as their advocacy for that terrorist state.
So he is influenced by America rappers where most of them have committed crimes and drug trafficking.
I would personally prefer to talk to them than to be within 100 feet of you. You seem incredibly prejudiced and ignorant.
Taiwan is Taiwan,china is china😊
Free Taiwan
Those against some countries are really pushing to trina tear down others as always. But the true remaims xD
Taiwan Ren also Chinese Ren 😁😁😁also kaki ren
台湾说唱这么多年了也没发展过，唱来唱去还是这些词还是这些人
lol, fight back against China? this guy didn't even join the mandatory army service, all talks no balls
Taiwan is a country! Taiwan shi guo jia! Tian mei zhong gong! Free Tibet, Xinjiang, and Honk Kong a revolution of our time.
😂 you mean Han chinese fighting Han chinese 😂 ?
Cheap double standard propaganda...
👍👍👍
臺灣隊長
❤
台灣隊
china has the right to defend itself
I saw comment 333 . Is that anything? Pay attention to the small and vulnerable being dominated by the bigger power.
Fighting back by being culturally colonized by a foreign empire 😂
Try Hardcore Punk!!!
First-rate artists create something for humanity.
Second-rate artists create something for society.
Third-rate artists create something for politics.
Of course China also has "musicians" who sing for state propaganda and they are not true musicians at all. At least these guys try to express something, but let's not overrate them.
There's no country called Taiwan, you're thinking of the Republic of China
厚，不就是一堆屁孩在那自嗨
總是有人會膚淺
Does it works?😂
Freddy Lin,your accent is heavy with Chinese accent😅
You don't wanna be recognized as Chinese but you don't speak 台湾語😅
another us backed media outlet 😂
It's hilarious that Vice loves to "report" stuff that neither the super majority of mainland or Taiwan cares about lol...
you seem to care enough to watch and comment Chinaboy.
Um, MOST if not ALL of Taiwanese care about this issue. There is no 'mainland.' There is Taiwan and there is China.
Dwagie❤ we are Taiwanese 🎉
👏👏.. i love it when a lot of them still thinking they can win and reside with the west.
How utterly ridiculous and amusing is this video! The Vice team tries to cover a group of talentless, inconsequential artists in East Asia, framing it as a form of resistance against China's plans to unify with Taiwan. They seem desperate to extract some elusive meaning from this endeavor, which is truly pitiful. As a Chinese person, let me be frank: the unification of China is an inevitability. Anyone who fails to foresee this clearly lacks an understanding of East Asian history over the past several millennia. China has seen dozens of divisions throughout its history, with each independent regime claiming legitimacy and developing cultures rich in personality and regional characteristics. Yet, in each instance of division, China inevitably moved towards unification, with all these distinct cultures eventually becoming part of a richer, more diverse China. You might wonder why China keeps moving towards unification. It's because the races, cultures, and economies of this land are inherently interconnected. With the evolution of human societal behavior, unification is the only natural progression, much like gravity, an unstoppable law of nature. Taiwan's temporary independence and separation are merely the wishful thinking of politicians and military leaders. I can only say that the editors at Vice are incredibly naive.
Wow, imagine that... Rap sounds like gibberish in any language, it seems. Sounds exactly the same as English, can't understand a god-damn word of it.
Bigot 🤡🐷
The more you listen the more you understand. In every sense of those words.
It’s almost like you have to listen closely to understand
@@ratave6472 Maybe it was sarcasm...
@@TheGreyLineMatters I don't think you know what sarcasm is then
the discrimination between chinese and chiwanese is unhealthy
vice is the youth fox news, same interests and pro us content, different form.
k china bot
WTAF? 😵💫😂
It's interesting that a "country" with per capita GDP of $34k and a vibrant economy feels oppressed by PRC. I remember reading a CIA document which described how they can plant the seeds of dissent through poetry, art, and music.
So it’s only oppression when the country being targeted by imperialists is poor. Ok.
Maybe read abit more on google before you comment next time. You do not seem to know what you are writing about.
Dayum...you endians are jealous and seethe at china everywhere huh
@@abcdedfg8340 perhaps you should write a better comment that simply telling me to google before commenting. Your vapid comment adds nothing to the discourse. If you feel like crying then I can provide you with a kerchief
What’s wrong with the seeds of democracy? It’s a problem only when you don’t have it and still defend dictatorship.