For the Raikage and Minato debate, the Raikage outright says that now that Minato is dead, no one is faster than him. So, any downscaling of Minato to Ay completely falls apart.
The raikage doesn't understand how FTG works, he thought that was Minatos raw speed/body flicker. He didn't know it was space time Jutsu. If he did, he wouldn't have said that. Minato also never once used his speed to avoid the raikage, only FTG.
@rbo7 Even if that were true, ignoring that Ay clearly knew how it works and was trying to predict where Minato was going to appear in their fight, and was caught off guard when he appeared with Killer Bee, we have other instances that can still prove my point. Madara, while making fun of Tobirama, pokes fun at him, claiming, "You used to be the hailed as fastest shinobi," or something close to that. Minato was still faster than him, and Hashirama, on account of getting to the battlefield first. Unless you're going to say Minato FTGd himself all the way there.
Y'all don't know this but naruto is definitely not the strongest hokages, he's actually one of the weakest but naruto fans are so fanatic they won't admit it.
@@yokaihorizon2931 i don't know to be 100% sure but I heard that he's seems to be just too busy with irl stuff to make videos He's still active on social media and been feat in others channels
@sarexui634 these the same people who wont hesitate to criticize you for having the "wrong" opinion but when they changed their opinion they try to play it off as, "yea it was years ago. We better now"
@Ashberryvillage10 you just described character development. At least they aren't still standing on wrong opinions like Kakuzu > Pain or sum stupid sht
1:25 The problem is right after he releases the kage he fails to crush a tree with his shadows, which proves that any of the kage could have broken out of his shadow at any point and they were just being polite. 😂😂
@@nillabeany Quarter Pounder Deluxe < Chicken biscuit … in the light novel the qpd has more stomach fill potency, but the chicken biscuit has more hax like the hasbrown w/ honey inside or 2 diff types of jelly. In the movie (which is cannon) people feel more sluggish after eating qpd whereas with the cb you get all the satisfaction but with less downsides . Also I’m pretty sure in the manga the qpd is stated to make you fatter..
Lmao how does hiruzen almost blitzing orochimaru put him above ems sasuke, let alone the guy that scared him with his bare chakra? The tobirama downplay continues to amaze me
Good video but Tobirama was downplayed. He’s definitely stronger than old man Hiruzen. It is a fact that he was contending with 6 path level characters. Madara with one rinnegan and sage Mode said “ The gods are on his side that the brothers don’t have their current power”. Implying how strong alive Tobirama was. Kakashi was also severely overhyped. None of the abilities you mentioned would be enough to get past Hashirama perception in sage mode or his wood golem/ thousand hands. I’d Rank them: 1- Naruto 2- Hashirama 3- Kakashi 4- Minato 5- Tobirama 6- Hiruzen 7- Tsunade 8- Shikamaru
@@edwinf04 Minato has better feats however, it is a very close matchup between him and Tobirama so it’s possible. Kakashi would definitely beat Tobirama. He’s magnitudes stronger than his war arc self which is crazy. He is also competing with the likes of Kashin Koji. Tobirama won’t beat him.
@@arsenewenger4847 Tobirama was diffing him when against Jubbito. Minato lost a hand, Tobirama did good attacks on him and help Naruto discover Jubbito weakness.
If Tobirama had Sage Mode like Hashirama, he would've been even more goated. He could probably create a tsunami wave large enough to sink an entire hidden village.
@@unclephillymya where does it say the Kinkaku and Ginkaku Force was comprised of S-Tier shinobi, I only recall it saying "20 other shinobi" in the anime
To add onto the Kahyo feat. Kahyo is enraged with Kakashi blitzes her, with her being stated as stronger than before, which could possibly mean either just her raw power/ap, or an increase for all stats (speed). But even then. Kakashi isn’t able to use his chakra when he engaged Kahyo, and he’s injured
Great video! I do disagree with the shikamaru placement mainly because I think he was fatigued when attempting to break the tree but I think you nailed it with the kakashi placement
He definitely belongs in last place. This list based on power and strength. He’s rusty and he’s not constantly in the field fighting and sharpening his skills.
@@stephenking2895hell no. Their reasoning was horrible, they acting like tsunade a god and can’t be harmed. A single kunai to the throat chops her head off, they themselves scaled shika way higher in speed so it’s literally a speed blitz
@@yHbn1 they didn’t act like she was a god. She can be hurt but she got crazy regeneration. He doesn’t have the power or jutsu to override her regeneration. He has better reaction timing. He’s not faster in terms of combat speed in a one on one. He’s not speed blitzing her base off his movement speed. He can catch with his jutsu if she’s off guard but he just lacks the power to do anything it about it.
@@stephenking2895 mf WHAT. she not gonna just regen her head getting cut off what are we even talking about here. and YES he does have way hgiher combat speed, they even agreed to this in the video, yall acting like tsunade regen is really that op when shes been beaten by attacks way weaker than what shikamaru can do like wtf
@@yHbn1 mf WHAT. He’s not speed blitzing her. He’s not cutting her head off what are we even talking about here. And NO he does not have higher combat speed. The way he tags people in the boruto era is when they’re busy fighting someone else so he attacks from behind. Speed blitzing isn’t his style. He’s always had good reflexes to dodge attacks from characters faster than him. He did it when kakuzu tried to kick his head off from behind. U better not be talking about part 1 tsunade who was mentally nerfed? Cause she has not beaten by weaker attacks than what Shikamaru can do like wtf. You’re also forgetting that doesn’t have the stamina to fight her. He also hasn’t been training for more ten years nor has been in combat. He’s actually very rusty. He wasn’t even strong enough to break tree.
I definitely expected Kakashi to be number 4 after Hiruzen was placed at 5 but I ain't mad that my boy got 2nd place!! Forever my favorite character and Hokage of them all
@@nirjhar4803 truth be told I agree with you. I was honestly kinda surprised to see him above Minato so when he was above Hashirama as well I was like 😳 I just can't hate on the pick bc thats my dude 🤣
@@nirjhar4803 i think if we talk about pre boruto, kakashi is probably 5th unless you say he can just bring his dms back whenever then hes 2, but boruto powercreep is so insane that the strongest naruto characters have no chance
@@zeds7 I think there's good arguments for him being 4th place if we were to go by his Novel feats(they're kind of insane). The problem is that Kashin Koji feat is kind of overblown imo, like yeah ik he scales far above 99% of all Shippuden characters but the truth is Kakashi didnt even get to really fight him. For all we know Koji could've simply left cause fighting Kakashi wasnt necessarily worth his time. Idk, scaling Kakashi to be Otsutsuki level off of just that is pretty weird to me... Kakashi should realistically edge on that 'God of Shinobi' level scaling rather than pure Otutsuki..
Kakashi over Hashirama and Minato is Crazy…. His feats are impressive but doesn’t blow away most feats in OG Naruto or Shippuden… Example Hashirama’s feat of Besting a FULL Kyuubi Susanoo amp’d +a EMS Madara who was splitting Multi- Mountains 1v2 match HIGHLY Doubt Hokage Kakashi would win against that…. Or Minato’s Prowess to wrap away Bijuu Damas from a FULL Kyuubi+ manhandle Obito with Kamui one of the most broken jutsu in series Solo with no help.. @46:49 just because you have hashirama’s cell doesn’t mean you’re in the same lvl as the 1st Hokage (Yamato, Obito,Danzo) were NOWHERE near hashi.. @47:00 it’s hard to gauge Kakashi vs Koji… because koji was obviously on stealth recon and didn’t want to draw too much attention which is why he fled..
For me, Hashirama is debatable considering how strong he was, most of his feats though are just word of mouth statements about how strong he is. But imo he’s definitely above Minato considering his power boost
💯 And also the only Ôtsutsuki level is what Urashiki? Toneri? Level meaning hax ability? Madara and Hashirama arr both Ôtsutsuki level in that case they are Indra and Asura right.?
@@mystarkiller1being reincarnations of Indra and Ashura gives them absolutely nothing. There were several reincarnations of the two that amounted to nothing, so they aren’t Indra and Ashura just for having that status. Hashirama was weaker than Juubito. Juubito is absolutely weaker than any Otsutsuki seen so far. The bottom gateway to Otsutsuki tier seems to be Juubidara, who is far stronger than Juubito, who is stronger than Hashirama. And Kakashi somewhat scales to Base Naruto, who keeps up with Fused Momoshiki, who is stronger than Kaguya, who is stronger than Juubidara. Hashirama gets washed. Cope.
Putting Hiruzen above Tobirama because of one outlier feat is ridiculous. A twelve years younger than his death Hiruzen couldn't even stop the nine tails.
I know they said that if anyone has any points against this video then we weren’t listening, but I want to kinda make a clarification that I see a lot of people get wrong. Whenever people in the show say “otsutsuki levels of power” I think people automatically jump to comparable to Kaguya and Momoshiki for characters like the Kara inners, Urashiki, Kinshiki, etc. The truth is, the “six paths” tier right below the “otsutsuki” tier (each with its own respective low-high sub tiers) is also in reference to Otsutsuki levels of power. The term six paths is literally taken from Hagoromo, the Sage of six paths, who’s an Otsutsuki himself. I think people miss this fact and how all the lesser otsutsuki characters and most of Kara only actually fall into the six paths tiers, levels of strength that were being fought at late in the war arc. So if Hashirama, who I put in the towards the top of low six paths, Kashin Koji would have to be at least mid six paths level (around Jubito, SPSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, and Sage mode Madara) in order for Kakashi to be considered stronger than Hashirama. Kashin Koji would also have to be using Sage mode (going all out) during that fight to make Kakashi relative to him, which he can’t remember if he was or not. I’m not disagreeing or agreeing with them on their Hashirama/Kakashi placement, only setting a more specific set of parameters than what they mentioned in order for their placement to be true.
In one of the kakashi novels , rock Lee wanted to test kakashi because he was might guys rival. So rock Lee went to sneak kakashi wearing a black robe , and kakashi put Lee on his back after being ambushed. Although Lee wasn’t using the gates, it’s still very impressive to out taijutsu rock Lee base to base
I have an idea. How about we rank the kage (and shadow/interim hokage) based on their impact on the Leaf Village? Like which Hokage served the Leaf most valiantly/effectively. That way we can look through a lense thats different from your typical battle power/speed scaling. And I know hella people got things to say about the 3rd.
naruto after nerf is so much above every hokage if you had every hokage in their primes all at once vs naruto after nerf he's still winning shows called naruto for a reason
Major L ranking Kakashi over Hashirama, all of his feats are from non canon materials and even if you take those feats into account, he never shows any attack power that would be capable of damaging Hashirama or his wood golem.
@@Tilefloor-v7e yeah sage brought up the counter to my argument being “Kakashi used his purple lightning to cut Nue” Nue is a summon from some Boruto filler episode that was created from Hashirama cells 🤣 he has no actual scaling to Hashi.
The tobirama debunk is really bad ngl. Like his hands were down before Juubito "blitzes" him. Without any assumptions, Juubito ran through him and he tagged him back. The only reason most people dont accept that interpretation is because tobirama didnt do a damaging attack, however hes a major speedster and doesnt have a lot of AP feats. It's implied he can damage sage madara but sage madara durability is like bijuu level. Not to mention when he already has the ftg marked he can keep teleporting to people and as we see, Juubito can not react fast enough to Tobiramas attacks and other peoples attacks that tobirama set up with his ftg. Its very clear hes supposed to be that tier of speed.
To be fair on the tobi part 14:25 even if he spawned it there he saw it performed a hand seal for there nd didn’t that so it’s still a plus to his speed display
I think when it comes to Kakashi we need to differentiate Hokage Kakashi and Boruto era Kakashi. Hiden Kakashi (early hokage) is probably 3/4 on this list. Retsuden Kakashi (Boruto Era) is 2nd place His best post war feats are after his tenure as hokage oddly enough
THANK YOU for Kakashi being above Minato and Hashirama. People think him losing the sharigan made him useless when him losing it gave him a lot more pros than Cons
@@nirjhar4803he has better statements . theres one statement that says hagoromos chakra wont be enough to overcome kakashis chakra output which is insane .
Cool. I love how Naruto needs no explanation I wondered why the video was so long and what you guys were going to say. Might check out that other guy I've seen them pop up on my feed a bit.
What sucks for the shikamaru bind feat is he isn't even really holding them, all of them could have just broken out but didn't out of respect for Naruto 😭
How did u even come up with that He cld blatantly hold down kinshiki till the point he was genuinely struggling and shouting out why wld the other kage suddenly be able to break out Only naruto cld and gaara cld probably act pretty sure he did actually Kuro and chojuro however no Kuro was flexing her chakra tryna get out but we dunno if she actually cld eventually All we know is shikamaru likely cld have nor.snapped their necks like he threatened to
@@onizukasensei5321after Shikamaru did that he contemplated how bad of a decision that was and how every single one of them could’ve broken out if they wished. He said he was lucky none of them wanted to break out
What Shikamaru says is that he didn't know at the time whether they could or not break free as he hadn't went on a mission (and probably neither had a sparring) for years, therefore not knowing how much stronger or weaker he had become. It's just a narrative implication that he acted recklessly with a lack of information. Part of its purpose is showing Naruto is the better candidate for Hokage even with the smartest person in the village next to his side. Hell, Kinshiki didn't break free either, Momoshiki absorbed the shadow, so they surely couldn't. And Darui third strongest shinobi in the replies is crazy 😭he has the least and worst feats out of every new gen kage in all anime, manga and novels, he's almost carried by the statements that talk about the five of them
Ik you didn’t ask for it but imma share the top 5: 1) Gyomei 2) Sanemi + Giyu 4) Iguro 5) Muiichiro I will defend Giyu and Sanemi being equals until the day I die. And even if you don’t agree they’re equals, Giyu - to most people - would still be third so my top 5 remains the same either way.
For Hiruzen vs Orochimaru, I feel like everyone constantly ignore the fact that Edo Tensei itself is a prep time centric jutsu. It’s not something you can just pull out whenever you want, you have to go through the effort to find the dead body of the person you want to bring back to life for their dna, find a human sacrifice, and perform the ritual to actually create the Edo Tensei body. All of that happens before a fight, and you can easily strategize how to perfectly counter someone’s abilities by bringing back a dead person who can be the counter. It’s complete, 100% prep time feats no matter how you look at it, which means Orochimaru was definitely not on Hiruzen’s level 1 to 1. You can say that oh Orochimaru was holding back so it evens out, but like they mentioned Hiruzen had a mental nerf for most of the fight, and let’s not overlook the fact that him fighting both his sensei and his brother, the beloved 2nd and 1st hokages, wasn’t an additional mental nerf on Hiruzen. I originally always put Tobirama over Hiruzen but now I can definitely see how Hiruzen is stronger, even while he’s old.
That kakashi stuff is actually pretty insane. When you guys put him above hashirama I thought yall were tripping so hard. But dang kakashi really becomes like a prime hiruzen times 10. That sharingan really was limiting his entire potential.
Shikamaru can transition any shadow binding into piercing attacks as seen against Hidan, and he said he was going to snap Kurotsuchi's neck, so his attack potency is not far off from his binding force. Alternatively, he could use Shadow Imitation instead of Paralysis and force whomever he is binding to stab themselves. Tsunade likely also surpasses Sannin when she releases her seal against Madara and further increases her power which was already beyond the Raikage who was stronger than a perfect host, B. Tsunade is fast enough that she thought she could stop A if need be, even if she is slower, so I doubt the gap is massive.
I don't agree with the Shikamaru part. In the same novel it's verbatim stated by the narrator that Shikamaru could have killed the kage while he had them in shadow possession so he should have more than enough AP to be near the top of the list. And the whole "he couldn't break a tree tho" argument is so disingenuous because he was literally nerfed mentally and physically in that moment in which chakra literally IS mental and physical energy so it makes sense he nerfed that bad, and he even overcomes the mental nerf by the end of the novel so I don't know why people keep saying same tree argument.
Didn’t he realise that he couldn’t have killed any of them and that they were holding back because of his pride?? So his ap isn’t at the top of the hokage list.
@@stephenking2895 It doesn't matter what Shikamaru thinks, the narrator HIMSELF said Shikamaru could kill them. The narrators word > Shikamaru's word. And again he was mentally and physically nerfed when he had those thoughts so he can just be underestimating himself because of his state at that time. And no, the kage were not holding back.
@@Hedge3523 it does matter Shikamaru thinks. He knows his own strengths and weaknesses. Yes they were gaara could have used his same but didn’t. He decided to tell Shikamaru why his actions weren’t the best course of action. The mizukage and raikage had no reaction. Do u know what page the narrator implies that Shikamaru couldn’t have killed them??
@@citiestoash they're saying if Kishimoto could show how smart Shikamaru actually is with feats he could be placed higher. At some point intelligence wasnt a huge factor in Naruto battles. The creativity was lost and with that so was weaker opponents beating the stronger opposition.
@@citiestoash basically game knows game, we only really see shikamaru pull of strategies that probably anyone with an IQ over 130 could make but if kishimoto was smarter he would recognize that a genius like shikamaru would optimize his build.
@@danielandrews425 Yeah if you don’t have some sort of chakra mech or some teleportation spamming, then you’re not really going to make it into the higher echelon of Naruto. No matter how intelligent shikamaru is
Also I don't know if this is cannon or not, but didn't Kakashi shit his pants in the movie when half of the meteor was coming towards Konoha. Whilst Sasuke (not known for his chakra reserves) came in and casually destroy it.
I doubt Minato’s mental nerf is enough to erase the entire boost KCM gives speed and reaction. Even if you wank and say the nerf drops him down to his base capabilities, Tobirama is still reacting quicker. With a shadow clone.
The nerf was extremely big because he can't react and process normally. Even base Minato completely out speeds all of the 4 main Hokage. He literally beats them to the battle field pretty convincingly
the tsunade downplay is crazy😭her ranking is pretty accurate but she did decently well against madara considering he’s… madara, cracked his ribcage, which even he was suprised about, destroyed one of the mini body sussanos, practically tanked everything he attacked her with, she got crazy stamina etc. she’s defo impressive.
"Flood a country." Three things on that statement: 1. Countries come in different sizes. Flooding Russia is vastly different than flooding Monaco. The country in the novel is said to be small and is effectively a backwater who think they can take down Konoha with 50 shinobi and some cannons. 2. FLOODS come in different sizes. To flood a nation may be to increase its water level enough to ruin its crops or it could be to put it under water. From the context of the LN it is the first kind of flooding they seems to be talking about. You can get that sort of floods by a heavy moonson season or heavily melted glaciers that supply your waterways and canal system with more water than it can handle. 3. Lastly, I know I am being pedantic now, but you must consider the FLOW of the Six paths weapon: how many liters of water it can release in a second. Kakashi's jutsu needs to overwhelm they flow of water not the TOTAL amount of water needed for the "flood"
Insane vid. I personally think the list is like that: 8shikamaru 7thsunade 6hiruzen 5tobirama 4kakashi 3minato 2hashirama 1naruto low diff all others combined
Hashirama along with all the other kage was getting dominated by ten tails obito. Kakashi speed blitzed kaguya whos much stronger and faster than obito. When kakashi is kage despite losing his sharingan he gets stronger and faster than his war self. So kakashi would literally speed blitz hashirama and Minato with ease and he should win.
The Hiruzen Baseball stuff is kinda wack, mainly because Obito isn’t throwing a TSO, but firing it like a gun, which is a whole other ballpark. It feels like an oversimplification of the physics involved, which likely weren’t even considered while writing the story. I feel like there are easier ways to establish Hiruzen’s speed using Orochimaru or the God Tree, or even the 4 Hokage arrival scene.
The Hashi over minato part…people tend to forget that hashi is literally Ashura’s reincarnation and minato is not so that also gives hashi an edge over minato
@Six you guys didn't mention though that unlike Minato and hiruzen Madara flat out said that hashirama and tobirama were not at full power. So even if that doesn't put him above Minato or hiruzen for you he would be stronger than he was shown. And any of tobiramas feats are nerfed feats.
Why wld madara feel the need to mention it about those 2 I don't think he even acknowledges the other 2 throughout the entire encounter Nor has he even faced either of the 2 before or seen their power Even if he knew hiruzen he wld have been like less than 10 So he wld have nothing to compare it to And orochimaru literally says none of them are at full strength but are near it as the edo jutsu was far more perfected than when he performed it in konoha
@@onizukasensei5321 Well you have a point with Madara not knowing them but orochimaru never said that about hiruzen or Minato and the only Edo's out of those 4 that were stated to be nerfed was hashirama and tobirama. Tobirama was the one saying they were brought back to near their full power and was likely just talking about him and hashirama since he also doesn't know hiruzen or Minato's full power.
@@onizukasensei5321 And keep in mind to my knowledge might be misremembering but while Minato and hiruzen couldn't move because of Edo tensei tobirama was still able to walk and reject orochimarus control until orochimaru focused solely on tobirama and enhanced the jutsu's control through hashirama's cells. That should also be a great feat for tobirama. If it wasn't for hashirama he likely could have resisted it or just rescind the contract like Madara did since he created it.
@@namelessvoid9725 honestly chapter 620 debunks like 95% of what you're saying I suggest u give it a read 1..orochimaru was not restricting their movements 24/7, in fact he was giving them freedom due to leaving their personalities untouched and not directing them at all. However he did say that their movements "CAN" be restricted as in if he chooses there's a need for it when hiruzen says they shld just head for the battlefield Thag is because orochimaru was primarily interested in seeing what direction sasuke wanted to take first and they hadn't even got to that conclusion yet so he said be cld let them do what they want after they finished talking again All in chapter 620. So no minato and hiruzen weren't being stuck to a spot and tobirama was the only one able to walk 2. Tobirama himself literally states due to the upped precision of edo tensei that they had been revived close to their full power this time which shld include them all So it isn't a situation of tobirama and hashirama being especially nerfed more than the others which makes no sense to begin with
love this video, more for informational purposes the amount of times i hear stupid shit like "Jiriya woulda beaten pain but he held back cause it was his student". while that specific one isnt relevant to this video, it helps out a lot of power scaling in place
46:45 that's a weird comparison 😂, danzo got his arm cut off and it was made of Hashirama cells, Hashirama has arguments of being above jubito in his prime/alive state that's better than just kakashi fending off a six path attack, Hashirama has arguments of being above a character who literally is made up of six paths chakra
With the bell example ( sarutobi section) it’s actually reverse .. the ball would be slower then the car and the car would beat the ball in a hypothetical race between you in the car vs the ball thrown from the car
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Sage would you play beach tennis with Six while naked ?
Bro got pleasured by a number
Since the sage of six calves is here I’m guessing Kakashi was ranked 2nd on the hokage list
For the Raikage and Minato debate, the Raikage outright says that now that Minato is dead, no one is faster than him. So, any downscaling of Minato to Ay completely falls apart.
The raikage doesn't understand how FTG works, he thought that was Minatos raw speed/body flicker. He didn't know it was space time Jutsu. If he did, he wouldn't have said that. Minato also never once used his speed to avoid the raikage, only FTG.
@rbo7 Even if that were true, ignoring that Ay clearly knew how it works and was trying to predict where Minato was going to appear in their fight, and was caught off guard when he appeared with Killer Bee, we have other instances that can still prove my point.
Madara, while making fun of Tobirama, pokes fun at him, claiming, "You used to be the hailed as fastest shinobi," or something close to that. Minato was still faster than him, and Hashirama, on account of getting to the battlefield first.
Unless you're going to say Minato FTGd himself all the way there.
@@rbo7 he knew how it works, he knew that minato is gonna appear from kunai
Thats before kcm Naruto popped up
@@rbo7 in their fight Minato reacted to Ay's punch... which shows that his raw speed is definitely ahead than that of Ay
Yall dont know this, but that tree is actually above hashirama.
Y'all don't know this but naruto is definitely not the strongest hokages, he's actually one of the weakest but naruto fans are so fanatic they won't admit it.
Swagkage catching strays in the description is killing me😂😂
swag seeing this like "what he say fuck me for" 😭
He not wrong though
Someone needs to drop a diss video on Swag to get him to upload again😂
@@Y.T.STachihow come he isn’t? if you know ofc
@@yokaihorizon2931 i don't know to be 100% sure but I heard that he's seems to be just too busy with irl stuff to make videos
He's still active on social media and been feat in others channels
"people who think kisame beats tobirama" as i recall you and swag were in that pool buddy
And? They realized they were wrong and changed their opinion. That's a normal human thing to do.
Swag did that shit like 6 years ago 😂
@sarexui634 these the same people who wont hesitate to criticize you for having the "wrong" opinion but when they changed their opinion they try to play it off as, "yea it was years ago. We better now"
@@Ashberryvillage10Yeah that’s literally what everyone in the powerscaling community does lol
@Ashberryvillage10 you just described character development. At least they aren't still standing on wrong opinions like Kakuzu > Pain or sum stupid sht
six x sage is exactly what the streets needed
@@whoizray_ 🙏🏼
Streets??
More like Six x SwagKage. I miss their collabs
@@itsm9818 doing my best to fill the void, but nobody can replace the GOAT
@@sageofthickcalvesi love ur humility dawg you gone be huge one day fosho js don’t let it get to you big dawg❤
Got my monthly Kakashi glaze fix. Ty.
I got you 🫡
But can they beat beat 500 thousand ninja pitbulls trained by Kakashi?
1:25 The problem is right after he releases the kage he fails to crush a tree with his shadows, which proves that any of the kage could have broken out of his shadow at any point and they were just being polite. 😂😂
Rank Mc Donalds burgers ? Sure why not......
Quarter pounder deluxe no diffs the Big Mac
@@nillabeany Based
@@nillabeany W take, you right
@@nillabeany U not wrong, big mac hella overrated.
@@nillabeany Quarter Pounder Deluxe < Chicken biscuit … in the light novel the qpd has more stomach fill potency, but the chicken biscuit has more hax like the hasbrown w/ honey inside or 2 diff types of jelly. In the movie (which is cannon) people feel more sluggish after eating qpd whereas with the cb you get all the satisfaction but with less downsides . Also I’m pretty sure in the manga the qpd is stated to make you fatter..
six always finding goats to collab with .... huge W
Lmao how does hiruzen almost blitzing orochimaru put him above ems sasuke, let alone the guy that scared him with his bare chakra?
The tobirama downplay continues to amaze me
Eh, the Tobirama section is odd. But overall was good. Enjoyed it!
Kakashi being scaled at number 2 makes the world feel right
“Unlike Swagkage he uploads.” Damn, imma need Six to release a diss track soon.
Sage is one of my faves so it was awesome seeing him here. Great video
Good video but Tobirama was downplayed. He’s definitely stronger than old man Hiruzen. It is a fact that he was contending with 6 path level characters. Madara with one rinnegan and sage Mode said “ The gods are on his side that the brothers don’t have their current power”. Implying how strong alive Tobirama was.
Kakashi was also severely overhyped. None of the abilities you mentioned would be enough to get past Hashirama perception in sage mode or his wood golem/ thousand hands.
I’d Rank them:
1- Naruto
2- Hashirama
3- Kakashi
4- Minato
5- Tobirama
6- Hiruzen
7- Tsunade
8- Shikamaru
Tobirama is more powerful than Minato and Kakashi
@@edwinf04 Minato has better feats however, it is a very close matchup between him and Tobirama so it’s possible.
Kakashi would definitely beat Tobirama. He’s magnitudes stronger than his war arc self which is crazy. He is also competing with the likes of Kashin Koji. Tobirama won’t beat him.
@@arsenewenger4847 Tobirama was diffing him when against Jubbito. Minato lost a hand, Tobirama did good attacks on him and help Naruto discover Jubbito weakness.
If Tobirama had Sage Mode like Hashirama, he would've been even more goated. He could probably create a tsunami wave large enough to sink an entire hidden village.
But he died off screen to a 20 STier nameless ninjas
Kisame can already do that bruh
Sage mode chakra is relative to your own chakra, so i doubt that would happen
@@unclephillymya where does it say the Kinkaku and Ginkaku Force was comprised of S-Tier shinobi, I only recall it saying "20 other shinobi" in the anime
@@unclephillymyanot even s class
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Nice list and video overall!
However, Tsunade (100 Healings) > Sage Jiraiya, Raikage (not together ofc)
Definitely not
jiraiya sure, idk how tsunade deals with raikage's speed tho
To add onto the Kahyo feat. Kahyo is enraged with Kakashi blitzes her, with her being stated as stronger than before, which could possibly mean either just her raw power/ap, or an increase for all stats (speed). But even then. Kakashi isn’t able to use his chakra when he engaged Kahyo, and he’s injured
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Great video! I do disagree with the shikamaru placement mainly because I think he was fatigued when attempting to break the tree but I think you nailed it with the kakashi placement
He definitely belongs in last place. This list based on power and strength. He’s rusty and he’s not constantly in the field fighting and sharpening his skills.
@@stephenking2895hell no. Their reasoning was horrible, they acting like tsunade a god and can’t be harmed. A single kunai to the throat chops her head off, they themselves scaled shika way higher in speed so it’s literally a speed blitz
@@yHbn1 they didn’t act like she was a god. She can be hurt but she got crazy regeneration. He doesn’t have the power or jutsu to override her regeneration. He has better reaction timing. He’s not faster in terms of combat speed in a one on one. He’s not speed blitzing her base off his movement speed. He can catch with his jutsu if she’s off guard but he just lacks the power to do anything it about it.
@@stephenking2895 mf WHAT. she not gonna just regen her head getting cut off what are we even talking about here. and YES he does have way hgiher combat speed, they even agreed to this in the video, yall acting like tsunade regen is really that op when shes been beaten by attacks way weaker than what shikamaru can do like wtf
@@yHbn1 mf WHAT. He’s not speed blitzing her. He’s not cutting her head off what are we even talking about here. And NO he does not have higher combat speed. The way he tags people in the boruto era is when they’re busy fighting someone else so he attacks from behind. Speed blitzing isn’t his style. He’s always had good reflexes to dodge attacks from characters faster than him. He did it when kakuzu tried to kick his head off from behind. U better not be talking about part 1 tsunade who was mentally nerfed? Cause she has not beaten by weaker attacks than what Shikamaru can do like wtf. You’re also forgetting that doesn’t have the stamina to fight her. He also hasn’t been training for more ten years nor has been in combat. He’s actually very rusty. He wasn’t even strong enough to break tree.
Awesome Naruto content as always, Six.
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I definitely expected Kakashi to be number 4 after Hiruzen was placed at 5 but I ain't mad that my boy got 2nd place!! Forever my favorite character and Hokage of them all
Amazing character but I think I would've put him at number 3 personally(number 4 is valid too).
Hashirama is genuinely a goddamn monster.
@@nirjhar4803 truth be told I agree with you. I was honestly kinda surprised to see him above Minato so when he was above Hashirama as well I was like 😳 I just can't hate on the pick bc thats my dude 🤣
@@nirjhar4803 i think if we talk about pre boruto, kakashi is probably 5th unless you say he can just bring his dms back whenever then hes 2, but boruto powercreep is so insane that the strongest naruto characters have no chance
Kakashi is strongly overated here...
@@zeds7 I think there's good arguments for him being 4th place if we were to go by his Novel feats(they're kind of insane).
The problem is that Kashin Koji feat is kind of overblown imo, like yeah ik he scales far above 99% of all Shippuden characters but the truth is Kakashi didnt even get to really fight him. For all we know Koji could've simply left cause fighting Kakashi wasnt necessarily worth his time.
Idk, scaling Kakashi to be Otsutsuki level off of just that is pretty weird to me... Kakashi should realistically edge on that 'God of Shinobi' level scaling rather than pure Otutsuki..
Kakashi over Hashirama and Minato is Crazy…. His feats are impressive but doesn’t blow away most feats in OG Naruto or Shippuden…
Example
Hashirama’s feat of Besting a FULL Kyuubi Susanoo amp’d +a EMS Madara who was splitting Multi- Mountains 1v2 match HIGHLY Doubt Hokage Kakashi would win against that….
Or Minato’s Prowess to wrap away Bijuu Damas from a FULL Kyuubi+ manhandle Obito with Kamui one of the most broken jutsu in series Solo with no help..
@46:49 just because you have hashirama’s cell doesn’t mean you’re in the same lvl as the 1st Hokage (Yamato, Obito,Danzo) were NOWHERE near hashi..
@47:00 it’s hard to gauge Kakashi vs Koji… because koji was obviously on stealth recon and didn’t want to draw too much attention which is why he fled..
For me, Hashirama is debatable considering how strong he was, most of his feats though are just word of mouth statements about how strong he is. But imo he’s definitely above Minato considering his power boost
💯 And also the only Ôtsutsuki level is what Urashiki? Toneri? Level meaning hax ability?
Madara and Hashirama arr both Ôtsutsuki level in that case they are Indra and Asura right.?
@@mystarkiller1being reincarnations of Indra and Ashura gives them absolutely nothing. There were several reincarnations of the two that amounted to nothing, so they aren’t Indra and Ashura just for having that status.
Hashirama was weaker than Juubito. Juubito is absolutely weaker than any Otsutsuki seen so far. The bottom gateway to Otsutsuki tier seems to be Juubidara, who is far stronger than Juubito, who is stronger than Hashirama. And Kakashi somewhat scales to Base Naruto, who keeps up with Fused Momoshiki, who is stronger than Kaguya, who is stronger than Juubidara.
Hashirama gets washed. Cope.
Putting Hiruzen above Tobirama because of one outlier feat is ridiculous. A twelve years younger than his death Hiruzen couldn't even stop the nine tails.
Six is right…Swag has left a void in the community
I know they said that if anyone has any points against this video then we weren’t listening, but I want to kinda make a clarification that I see a lot of people get wrong. Whenever people in the show say “otsutsuki levels of power” I think people automatically jump to comparable to Kaguya and Momoshiki for characters like the Kara inners, Urashiki, Kinshiki, etc. The truth is, the “six paths” tier right below the “otsutsuki” tier (each with its own respective low-high sub tiers) is also in reference to Otsutsuki levels of power. The term six paths is literally taken from Hagoromo, the Sage of six paths, who’s an Otsutsuki himself. I think people miss this fact and how all the lesser otsutsuki characters and most of Kara only actually fall into the six paths tiers, levels of strength that were being fought at late in the war arc. So if Hashirama, who I put in the towards the top of low six paths, Kashin Koji would have to be at least mid six paths level (around Jubito, SPSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, and Sage mode Madara) in order for Kakashi to be considered stronger than Hashirama. Kashin Koji would also have to be using Sage mode (going all out) during that fight to make Kakashi relative to him, which he can’t remember if he was or not. I’m not disagreeing or agreeing with them on their Hashirama/Kakashi placement, only setting a more specific set of parameters than what they mentioned in order for their placement to be true.
Actually really enjoy the extra time spent talking bout hiruzen. Most just gloss over him
My man🙏keep up the amazing work
In one of the kakashi novels , rock Lee wanted to test kakashi because he was might guys rival. So rock Lee went to sneak kakashi wearing a black robe , and kakashi put Lee on his back after being ambushed. Although Lee wasn’t using the gates, it’s still very impressive to out taijutsu rock Lee base to base
Well he didn't take off his weights either
But yes it's a testament to his taijutsu skills for sure
@@onizukasensei5321 oh yea good point !! Didn’t think about that . But he did try sneaking as well haha
Hiruzen over tobirama is crazy
Ong, Tobirama carried fight against Obito alongside Naruto
He’s debatably above Minato too 😭
I have an idea. How about we rank the kage (and shadow/interim hokage) based on their impact on the Leaf Village? Like which Hokage served the Leaf most valiantly/effectively. That way we can look through a lense thats different from your typical battle power/speed scaling. And I know hella people got things to say about the 3rd.
id say kakashis takes first
I’m watching this video for the Naruto glaze.
relatable af😂
on god
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naruto after nerf is so much above every hokage if you had every hokage in their primes all at once vs naruto after nerf he's still winning shows called naruto for a reason
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@@Xrsraxafax sage carried
@@derekseago9647eh sure I guess
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Major L ranking Kakashi over Hashirama, all of his feats are from non canon materials and even if you take those feats into account, he never shows any attack power that would be capable of damaging Hashirama or his wood golem.
Don't get me wrong I love kakashi but I just can't see him above hashi
@@Tilefloor-v7e yeah sage brought up the counter to my argument being “Kakashi used his purple lightning to cut Nue”
Nue is a summon from some Boruto filler episode that was created from Hashirama cells 🤣 he has no actual scaling to Hashi.
The novels canon what are you on about? The anime is as well
@@Hunkyforlife anime not canon because in the manga kakashi hasn't shown up yet
@@donovan4222bro what? Nue literally comes from a canon novel, and nue is LITERALLY in Sumires manga character profile☠
The tobirama debunk is really bad ngl. Like his hands were down before Juubito "blitzes" him. Without any assumptions, Juubito ran through him and he tagged him back. The only reason most people dont accept that interpretation is because tobirama didnt do a damaging attack, however hes a major speedster and doesnt have a lot of AP feats. It's implied he can damage sage madara but sage madara durability is like bijuu level. Not to mention when he already has the ftg marked he can keep teleporting to people and as we see, Juubito can not react fast enough to Tobiramas attacks and other peoples attacks that tobirama set up with his ftg. Its very clear hes supposed to be that tier of speed.
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To be fair on the tobi part 14:25 even if he spawned it there he saw it performed a hand seal for there nd didn’t that so it’s still a plus to his speed display
I LOVEE the respect towards kakashi and even shikamaru hes much better than what people think but not physically strong
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I think when it comes to Kakashi we need to differentiate Hokage Kakashi and Boruto era Kakashi.
Hiden Kakashi (early hokage) is probably 3/4 on this list.
Retsuden Kakashi (Boruto Era) is 2nd place
His best post war feats are after his tenure as hokage oddly enough
finally some kakashi respect 🐐
the swagkage stray is goated lmao, love hearing your thoughts always. Keep it up Six
RESPECT KAKASHI 🌩
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THANK YOU for Kakashi being above Minato and Hashirama. People think him losing the sharigan made him useless when him losing it gave him a lot more pros than Cons
How is he above Hashirama bro?
@@nirjhar4803he has better statements . theres one statement that says hagoromos chakra wont be enough to overcome kakashis chakra output which is insane .
@@nirjhar4803his feats also support the statements
@@derekseago9647 That sounds beyond crazy... I know he strong but even the likes of Sasuke doesn't have statements of THAT level.
@@nirjhar4803 Sasuke doesn’t need those kinds of statements cause he fights actual otsutsuki lol.
Shika not being able to snap a tree with his shadows pisses me off so bad😔😂
Honestly I’m so happy more Naruto stuff is coming instead of JJK since I’m only watching the anime but I’m happy I can watch more of Six
2 goats 1 video
Cool.
I love how Naruto needs no explanation I wondered why the video was so long and what you guys were going to say.
Might check out that other guy I've seen them pop up on my feed a bit.
This PS5 finna be excellent(hope you upload 10 times)
What sucks for the shikamaru bind feat is he isn't even really holding them, all of them could have just broken out but didn't out of respect for Naruto 😭
How did u even come up with that
He cld blatantly hold down kinshiki till the point he was genuinely struggling and shouting out why wld the other kage suddenly be able to break out
Only naruto cld and gaara cld probably act pretty sure he did actually
Kuro and chojuro however no
Kuro was flexing her chakra tryna get out but we dunno if she actually cld eventually
All we know is shikamaru likely cld have nor.snapped their necks like he threatened to
@@onizukasensei5321darui probably could he is either the second or 3rd strongest shinobi
@@onizukasensei5321after Shikamaru did that he contemplated how bad of a decision that was and how every single one of them could’ve broken out if they wished. He said he was lucky none of them wanted to break out
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I mean the same Kage also held down Kinshiki too so they should be about equal
What Shikamaru says is that he didn't know at the time whether they could or not break free as he hadn't went on a mission (and probably neither had a sparring) for years, therefore not knowing how much stronger or weaker he had become.
It's just a narrative implication that he acted recklessly with a lack of information. Part of its purpose is showing Naruto is the better candidate for Hokage even with the smartest person in the village next to his side.
Hell, Kinshiki didn't break free either, Momoshiki absorbed the shadow, so they surely couldn't.
And Darui third strongest shinobi in the replies is crazy 😭he has the least and worst feats out of every new gen kage in all anime, manga and novels, he's almost carried by the statements that talk about the five of them
Dang I remember sending a video of his to you on twitter a while back fire to see you guys collab sage is hella smart he needs more subs
You should do a video like this with the Hashira.
Ik you didn’t ask for it but imma share the top 5:
1) Gyomei
2) Sanemi + Giyu
4) Iguro
5) Muiichiro
I will defend Giyu and Sanemi being equals until the day I die. And even if you don’t agree they’re equals, Giyu - to most people - would still be third so my top 5 remains the same either way.
Old Hiruzen over Tobirama is crazy
It was also a pleasure bro 🫡🫡🙏
the downscale of tobirama here is crazy
outside of speed, his ap kinda sucks
Great job, bois
Congrats bro
For Hiruzen vs Orochimaru, I feel like everyone constantly ignore the fact that Edo Tensei itself is a prep time centric jutsu. It’s not something you can just pull out whenever you want, you have to go through the effort to find the dead body of the person you want to bring back to life for their dna, find a human sacrifice, and perform the ritual to actually create the Edo Tensei body. All of that happens before a fight, and you can easily strategize how to perfectly counter someone’s abilities by bringing back a dead person who can be the counter. It’s complete, 100% prep time feats no matter how you look at it, which means Orochimaru was definitely not on Hiruzen’s level 1 to 1. You can say that oh Orochimaru was holding back so it evens out, but like they mentioned Hiruzen had a mental nerf for most of the fight, and let’s not overlook the fact that him fighting both his sensei and his brother, the beloved 2nd and 1st hokages, wasn’t an additional mental nerf on Hiruzen. I originally always put Tobirama over Hiruzen but now I can definitely see how Hiruzen is stronger, even while he’s old.
That kakashi stuff is actually pretty insane. When you guys put him above hashirama I thought yall were tripping so hard. But dang kakashi really becomes like a prime hiruzen times 10. That sharingan really was limiting his entire potential.
Shikamaru can transition any shadow binding into piercing attacks as seen against Hidan, and he said he was going to snap Kurotsuchi's neck, so his attack potency is not far off from his binding force. Alternatively, he could use Shadow Imitation instead of Paralysis and force whomever he is binding to stab themselves.
Tsunade likely also surpasses Sannin when she releases her seal against Madara and further increases her power which was already beyond the Raikage who was stronger than a perfect host, B.
Tsunade is fast enough that she thought she could stop A if need be, even if she is slower, so I doubt the gap is massive.
I don't agree with the Shikamaru part. In the same novel it's verbatim stated by the narrator that Shikamaru could have killed the kage while he had them in shadow possession so he should have more than enough AP to be near the top of the list. And the whole "he couldn't break a tree tho" argument is so disingenuous because he was literally nerfed mentally and physically in that moment in which chakra literally IS mental and physical energy so it makes sense he nerfed that bad, and he even overcomes the mental nerf by the end of the novel so I don't know why people keep saying same tree argument.
💯 and even if his shadow jutsu was trash with his level of combat speed he could just kill people with kunai and paper bombs
@@RexDolopaper bombs have anti feats 😂
Didn’t he realise that he couldn’t have killed any of them and that they were holding back because of his pride??
So his ap isn’t at the top of the hokage list.
@@stephenking2895 It doesn't matter what Shikamaru thinks, the narrator HIMSELF said Shikamaru could kill them. The narrators word > Shikamaru's word. And again he was mentally and physically nerfed when he had those thoughts so he can just be underestimating himself because of his state at that time. And no, the kage were not holding back.
@@Hedge3523 it does matter Shikamaru thinks. He knows his own strengths and weaknesses. Yes they were gaara could have used his same but didn’t. He decided to tell Shikamaru why his actions weren’t the best course of action. The mizukage and raikage had no reaction. Do u know what page the narrator implies that Shikamaru couldn’t have killed them??
It's like people forget Tobirama literally admitted that Minato was faster physically and faster at striking / teleporting lol
Can you rank the hokages by how good they did running the village?
W collab
9:52. Jubbito blitzes him cause Tobirama allowed him to. He used that to mark him. Did you not read the manga?
My WiFi might be out due to Hurricane Beryl but you know I’m watching this!
Total SPEED. VELOCITY. PLEAAAASE
It hurt everytime you called it acceleration.
Hot take if kishimoto hade a 200iq, shikamaru would reflect that better and It might put him up a ranking
What?
@@citiestoash they're saying if Kishimoto could show how smart Shikamaru actually is with feats he could be placed higher. At some point intelligence wasnt a huge factor in Naruto battles. The creativity was lost and with that so was weaker opponents beating the stronger opposition.
@@citiestoash basically game knows game, we only really see shikamaru pull of strategies that probably anyone with an IQ over 130 could make but if kishimoto was smarter he would recognize that a genius like shikamaru would optimize his build.
@@Lavanence thank you. Man was talking about IQ, but I had a stroke trying to read the comment. Ironic
@@danielandrews425 Yeah if you don’t have some sort of chakra mech or some teleportation spamming, then you’re not really going to make it into the higher echelon of Naruto. No matter how intelligent shikamaru is
Also I don't know if this is cannon or not, but didn't Kakashi shit his pants in the movie when half of the meteor was coming towards Konoha. Whilst Sasuke (not known for his chakra reserves) came in and casually destroy it.
I doubt Minato’s mental nerf is enough to erase the entire boost KCM gives speed and reaction. Even if you wank and say the nerf drops him down to his base capabilities, Tobirama is still reacting quicker. With a shadow clone.
If you use the feat of base minato teleporting in between guy and the tso orbs it supports the nerf being pretty big
The nerf was extremely big because he can't react and process normally. Even base Minato completely out speeds all of the 4 main Hokage. He literally beats them to the battle field pretty convincingly
Swag catching strays. Now that puts a smile on my face and a gun to my forehead
I forgot how absolutely broken Naruto is. Sheesh.
I think about Six alot when im at the gym getting my muscles nice and tight.
_"and unlike Swagkage he actually uploads!"_
oof
47:58 And that's talking without Sage Mode lmao
the tsunade downplay is crazy😭her ranking is pretty accurate but she did decently well against madara considering he’s… madara, cracked his ribcage, which even he was suprised about, destroyed one of the mini body sussanos, practically tanked everything he attacked her with, she got crazy stamina etc. she’s defo impressive.
i think tobirama is just to smart
"Flood a country." Three things on that statement:
1. Countries come in different sizes. Flooding Russia is vastly different than flooding Monaco. The country in the novel is said to be small and is effectively a backwater who think they can take down Konoha with 50 shinobi and some cannons.
2. FLOODS come in different sizes. To flood a nation may be to increase its water level enough to ruin its crops or it could be to put it under water. From the context of the LN it is the first kind of flooding they seems to be talking about. You can get that sort of floods by a heavy moonson season or heavily melted glaciers that supply your waterways and canal system with more water than it can handle.
3. Lastly, I know I am being pedantic now, but you must consider the FLOW of the Six paths weapon: how many liters of water it can release in a second. Kakashi's jutsu needs to overwhelm they flow of water not the TOTAL amount of water needed for the "flood"
Insane vid.
I personally think the list is like that:
8shikamaru
7thsunade
6hiruzen
5tobirama
4kakashi
3minato
2hashirama
1naruto low diff all others combined
Hashirama along with all the other kage was getting dominated by ten tails obito. Kakashi speed blitzed kaguya whos much stronger and faster than obito. When kakashi is kage despite losing his sharingan he gets stronger and faster than his war self. So kakashi would literally speed blitz hashirama and Minato with ease and he should win.
Perfect list
The Hiruzen Baseball stuff is kinda wack, mainly because Obito isn’t throwing a TSO, but firing it like a gun, which is a whole other ballpark. It feels like an oversimplification of the physics involved, which likely weren’t even considered while writing the story. I feel like there are easier ways to establish Hiruzen’s speed using Orochimaru or the God Tree, or even the 4 Hokage arrival scene.
The Hashi over minato part…people tend to forget that hashi is literally Ashura’s reincarnation and minato is not so that also gives hashi an edge over minato
The only right order
@Six you guys didn't mention though that unlike Minato and hiruzen Madara flat out said that hashirama and tobirama were not at full power. So even if that doesn't put him above Minato or hiruzen for you he would be stronger than he was shown. And any of tobiramas feats are nerfed feats.
Why wld madara feel the need to mention it about those 2
I don't think he even acknowledges the other 2 throughout the entire encounter
Nor has he even faced either of the 2 before or seen their power
Even if he knew hiruzen he wld have been like less than 10
So he wld have nothing to compare it to
And orochimaru literally says none of them are at full strength but are near it as the edo jutsu was far more perfected than when he performed it in konoha
But sure tobirmas feats are essentially nerfed a bit
Apart from tandem paper bomb shi
@@onizukasensei5321 Well you have a point with Madara not knowing them but orochimaru never said that about hiruzen or Minato and the only Edo's out of those 4 that were stated to be nerfed was hashirama and tobirama. Tobirama was the one saying they were brought back to near their full power and was likely just talking about him and hashirama since he also doesn't know hiruzen or Minato's full power.
@@onizukasensei5321 And keep in mind to my knowledge might be misremembering but while Minato and hiruzen couldn't move because of Edo tensei tobirama was still able to walk and reject orochimarus control until orochimaru focused solely on tobirama and enhanced the jutsu's control through hashirama's cells. That should also be a great feat for tobirama. If it wasn't for hashirama he likely could have resisted it or just rescind the contract like Madara did since he created it.
@@namelessvoid9725 honestly chapter 620 debunks like 95% of what you're saying I suggest u give it a read
1..orochimaru was not restricting their movements 24/7, in fact he was giving them freedom due to leaving their personalities untouched and not directing them at all. However he did say that their movements "CAN" be restricted as in if he chooses there's a need for it when hiruzen says they shld just head for the battlefield
Thag is because orochimaru was primarily interested in seeing what direction sasuke wanted to take first and they hadn't even got to that conclusion yet so he said be cld let them do what they want after they finished talking
again All in chapter 620. So no minato and hiruzen weren't being stuck to a spot and tobirama was the only one able to walk
2. Tobirama himself literally states due to the upped precision of edo tensei that they had been revived close to their full power this time which shld include them all
So it isn't a situation of tobirama and hashirama being especially nerfed more than the others which makes no sense to begin with
love this video, more for informational purposes the amount of times i hear stupid shit like "Jiriya woulda beaten pain but he held back cause it was his student". while that specific one isnt relevant to this video, it helps out a lot of power scaling in place
You downplayed the kcm2 Chakra amp then turn around and hype up kakashi having more Chakra than he had before
Wish swag put out content like the good ol days
EXACTLY WHERE TF IS SWAGKAGE LOL
ps. Sage/TG/loko/ Virhtue are the new gen naruto content
What about New Horizons?
@@Tkddreamsofficial he was on but he's on SWAGKAGE timing that's why it was edited
@@Julio9j11j Mak sense
Tobriama lowball
Kakashi top 2 man y’all wasn’t outside when I was telling ppl he stronger then hasirama
46:45 that's a weird comparison 😂, danzo got his arm cut off and it was made of Hashirama cells, Hashirama has arguments of being above jubito in his prime/alive state that's better than just kakashi fending off a six path attack, Hashirama has arguments of being above a character who literally is made up of six paths chakra
Y’all are forgetting Kakashi as Hokage doesn’t even have the Sharingan.
Sage and six collab? Oh shit
I won't say tobirama is stronger than kcm minato, but he's definitely stronger than alive minato.
With the bell example ( sarutobi section) it’s actually reverse .. the ball would be slower then the car and the car would beat the ball in a hypothetical race between you in the car vs the ball thrown from the car
Lots of scrutiny for Tobirama while Minato and Kakashi get a lot of leeway. Obviously it’s a matter of opinion at the end of the day.