Honestly bro imagine having your first debate and seth and swag pull up on you 😭 imagine if pain attacked naruto in the first episode instead of mizuki
-‘We shouldn’t use the word psychopath so flippantly because it devalues the word as a medical term’ -Uses retarded to mean stupid or idiotic Spicy you better pick a lane homeboy
think he meant in a way where it can be seen by loads of people like a thumbnail for a popular TH-cam channel. I guess him saying here wouldn’t really have an effect
@@nozers it would effect the people watching using that logic and also is just hypocritical cuz he devaluating retarded the same way six is devaluating psychopath using spicy logic ofc
I think maybe streaming is what specifically made him anxious. If it was a private conversation, I think he would be in his element. Don’t for sure tho but it came off that way for me
I mean yea, but imo both sides are wrong they didn’t have to get him on stream and gang up on him but he also didn’t have to do all the shit he did in the first place, could’ve been handled privately though lol
@@averywoolfe5809 very true, but he only criticized six, swag and Seth didn’t have to jump in especially with the platforms they have compared to six and spicy it could’ve just been six and spicy handling it privately I don’t really see a reason for Seth and swag to jump in but there’s nothing wrong with them jumping in as well they were defending their friend (took it a bit too far but it’s still cool)
I enjoy Spicy's content, but yeah this was absolute cringe. He went in with no argument, I have a feeling he just made the post without thinking much about it but doesn't want to look weak by conceding on his non-existent point. He's also doing that thing where you actively try making yourself look bad by saying shit like "well this gives me exposure" as a way to make himself look unphased or unbothered, even though he probably deeply regrets this debacle. Also, love the energy Seth brings with him, піggа crashed the party with the daddy complex, I love it.
Jeez… this was a rough listen. Six and Spicy had a very civil convo and I thought it was all chill, convo seemed over. Then Seth and Swag come in and start dunking on his poor soul 🤣.
Was gonna say the same thing, it was civil then six got confident when swag and Seth joined. Not gonna lie pointless video six should've just ignored it.
@@stlegion-px1wo nothing at all my grandfather is Japanese though..... This show happens to be about his people I mean I was joking but he hates this kinda stuff
"I'm a pretty toxic person to people irl" first of all gross Second of all, I find it hilarious that Seth came in incredibly toxic and he just couldn't handle it lmao
I disagree, seth was trolling for the sake of trolling when the discussion was serious. Imo he was just detracting from the conversation. Once seth stopped trolling the conversation became much smoother imo.
The spicy kid is saying in essence what we all at some point have felt. There's a video with a title or topic that is addressing something, debunking something, answering a question...That no one fucking asked. No one, or such a small minority, that it makes the necessity of it so minuit, that the idea of the motivation for the videos publishing being an asspull due to lack of video/content ideas comes to the forefront. His failure to completely and clearly communicate this, and his habit to talk in tangents and explain the point before stating what the point is directly didn't help. His real issue is that as arrogant as he is, he takes pride in really having something to say in a video, delivering high quality content that is relevant and necessary. His peers in the sphere performing at a lower level out of laziness, by choice, or whatever, reflects poorly on his "profession" Take note that he doesn't think highly enough of the anime/manga analysis sphere to admit to people that, that is what he does. Pride is involved. Imagine a rap beef, or any real or manufactured competition. The idea is to seed elevation of quality. To up the game, so to speak. Though I doubt it was that intentional or that thought out/planned, that was the feeling behind the action. A lot of bravado. A challenge. The use of the word Psychopath being used colloquially rather than as its strict and/or scientific definition was a minor side-issue, a reason that was merely a pet peeve of his, that he elevated, or allowed to be elevated to detract from and buy time for him to think of a way to address the real reason/issue. He should have stated his point. Expand on it after. Too much time being spent on making disclaimers and pre-clarification, setting the stage for the point, just to never cleanly present the point, if at all, is what led to things going in circles. Add random cut ins, pushes for clarification, and commentary from THE COUNCIL. Yeah.
Considering how articulate Spicy is discussing his issues with the video, you’d think he’d at least watch the whole video. Criticizing a video or movie without finishing it is going to weaken your argument about it.
True, but the focal point of his argument wasn't even about the contents of the video itself, it's that content creators will pump out any video if it will get views because they have become complacement with their high subscriber count. The video itself didn't even need making if Six prioritized the quality and usefullness of his video instead of just making a topic people want to see. And that's the broader point, successful content creators make videos undeserving of their status, they just take advantage of the fact that people will watch their videos regardless of how dull it is.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Why should it matter if the video quality is low while the content isn’t? Plus the part of TH-camrs deserving and not deserving their success is a bad take since the argument can be made that no TH-camr should deserve their success because YouTubing isn’t a “real” job.
Imagine acting so high and mighty about your analytical ability but not understanding hyperbole and colloquialisms some of the most fundamental parts of language
@@inspectahgex1910 but you see he will be a writer that uses perfectly pristine literal language and the narrative will be so extra dimensionally good that it will be great
Bro makes good videos. Great even but that was just a dumb post. I felt that video that six posted was good. I hadn't even thought about if Minato was a psychopath of not so when he made the video talking about how some people could see that he is and explained how he wasn't because of his circumstances , I felt that it was very insightful
It's funny how spicy and six were having a good conversation but as soon as six gets back up he all of a sudden grows a pair lol. I've seen folk like him alot and it's kinda lame tbh. Seth ain't no better because he was just trolling for no reason. When he stopped acting like a childish bully the conversation actually went somewhere. All I seen was kindergarten level playground tactics from both sides and I feel like this whole situation should've went alot better.
Recently on my channel I was asked who I think is the best and worst “power scaler” , and while I hesitated to name a worse I didn’t hesitate to name you as the best. I’ve been watching those like swag, Seth, and Chuck for years and still I find you to be the most unbias and certifiable when it comes to this while also being entertaining
On one hand spicy is a goober and there was zero possibility he was going to be in the right in this situation. On the other hand it’s fairly clear that his main issue lies with the general lack of literacy and narrative/reading comprehension in “fans” that people, specifically content creators like swag, six and especially seth have been addressing and clowning them about for literally years so I can’t exactly blame him for feeling the way he does or calling out other TH-camrs he feels contribute to that Though he is a numbskull for not watching the video he was calling out all the way
That debate was kinda weak from every side. I was kind of expecting a better response. His position wasn't that difficult to understand. It's either he values videos mostly on complexity/rigor of it, or the educational value that comes from that. Being good faith I am guessing he would go for the latter mostly, which is countered with the fact that at the core that six's videos do relatively the same thing. Making videos that the general population can digest has the potential to move a sub-set of viewers towards spicy's content who other wise wouldn't bother. Hell if I include power-scaling I could probably make an argument that six's content is far more valuable (based on spicy's premise) than his just on the potential for people who have no basis in logic and argument to have a fun way to engage with the concepts, providing people with tools on how to utilize critical thinking which can carry forward into many other aspects in their lives...ultimately for the better. If Spicy thinks people will just naturally adapt his position with zero foundation, enjoy the pigeon hole that creates. Generally people don't wake up one day and have the drive and capability to instantly appreciate and understand "high level concepts" *jerks off*. His beef isn't with content creators, its the audience. Which is where his frustration should have been placed, but that might affect his VIEWERSHIP.
I 100% agree with you bro, never saw it like that until you mentioned it, but his beef is with the audience. He can't attack them because then what would happen to his channel? Instead he places it on the creators like Six. I personally see no problem with creating content that other people want to see, whether or not the message is profound or unique. You are not doing anyone a disservice by creating something that others want to see. That is unless you don't enjoy making or agree with your own content in which case the only person being hurt by it is you. If you like it, and others want it, everyone wins. If you don't want it, don't watch it. Nobody is competing here, if I like swags videos that will eventually lead me to seth or Six and then maybe to hotboyspicy. Just more content for everyone to enjoy.
See, I can at least somewhat understand where Spicy is coming from, if he's trying to argue against click-baity thumbnails and topics that aren't controversial, but he was still way out of line here. He didn't even watch the video before making such a bold post, and he came out looking pretty silly. He also didn't engage well with the idea that people can glean something even out of such an obvious topic, whether it be learning the arguments people CAN make to show Minato is a psychopath (which could also give someone a better understanding of Minato's character/background), or even just entertainment from watching the video. This whole platform is designed around entertainment, if people are clicking and are entertained then isn't that reason enough to upload it? If he actually watched the video, had some genuine criticisms of the video and didn't make such an unfounded, inflammatory post, he could've at least made a generalized argument on the types of content that HE thinks are most productive.
This was perfect content to shovel snow to, I started it right before i started shoveling and finished basically at the same time the video did. While I have some nitpicky issues with everyone in this chat it was overall a pretty chill way to talk through all this “drama” ✌🏻✌🏻I’m just now hearing about. Good to see nobody was taking themselves too seriously to the point of UTTER cringe. HBS didn’t need to say any of the things that lead to this but it’s cool he’s able to learn from it and nobody was being unbearably cringeworthy amount of antagonistic. I’d personally like to hear these guys all on a call again in a more chill setting
I like spicy. He's not like all these other youtubers but the post was outta pocket. Yes I feel that you should say what you feel, but at the same time you gotta be ready to take fire with your chest out. Which he did but he did it wrong. Props for him showing up but damn. When Seth and swag show up its over. It's fuel for six.
HBS was 1v4 and had the first time livestreaming to hundreds of people debuff so he wasn't able to defend his points very well at all, making the debate so redundant. Which is kinda ironic because Swag had a phase like that for a bit before he got used to being live. Regardless, it was a bit entertaining
To be fair, Six literally asked him beforehand if he was alright with them joining the call and Spicy agreed to it. He even implies and later explicitly states that the reason that he wanted Seth & Swag to join was because it was an opportunity for exposure, which is stupid. Also, if you're gonna be publicly edgy and antagonistic on a public YT post towards a community of ppl and directly call out specific creators who are bigger than you and end up being that anxious and rhetorically ineffective in the actual convo, it seems to me that you're just setting up yourself for failure. He definitely could have lessened the unfriendly conditions of the convo and made himself look better.
@@NeoExpo I mean it being a means of exposure for him isn't an entirely stupid reason imo. People did see his videos after the debate and while they may not like him as an individual, the quality of his content speaks for itself so even spicy haters watching his videos is a net positive for him.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Exposure itself isn’t inherently good. Blindly seeking it out without acknowledging that it has the potential of backlashing and damaging you in the long run is naive. He’s just betting that the outcome will be good and outweigh the negative without knowing the actual outcome. Even if it does end up benefiting him here, that doesn’t necessarily prove that all forms of exposure are good, or that he knew it was going to be the way that it was, or even if that gained increase in exposure will have longevity. If Six and Seth decided to go hard on him with the intent of making him look bad, or damaging his career, that would have reflected terribly on him. It just happened to be the case that it didn’t play out that way and that the discussion ended up being chill, but the point is, he didn’t know that coming into it. Also depending on the amount of hate watchers, if there are more hate watchers than actual fans, I wouldn’t consider that a positive thing, as it can be self destructive, or at the very least lead to an unsecured fan base. If your only goal is to increase your numbers and don’t mind being hated than sure, but if you want to generate an authentic audience that actually cares about your content, having your entire career contingent on hate watchers isn’t the way to go.
Swag and six totally new they act like they were so shocked but they did also people acting like Seth is EDP but uhh he literally just every anime TH-camr
I can't imagine getting this but hurt over a guy who didn't say anything about you personally on an actual personal real life level and then on top of that having the 2 guys in the community that live for drama and hate each other one week and then suck each other off the next come on and suck you off to give you your conformation bias you need to feel better.
Seth has his ways when he talks where he controls the way the conversation flows, ball is always In his court is the idea, respect I think your speech craft skill 86plus 🤣😂
I just watched it and it was okay at best. The problem with Sages rain isn't that he says dumb things, but everything he says are things anybody who reads Naruto can pick up on, since most of what he touches on are ideas blatantly communicated in the story through the dialogue. Good analysis channels go beyond simply dialogue present in the story and make long-spanning narrative conclusions that connect multiple story points and expose the greater message the narrative might have been trying to communicate through the story. The best thing in that video was the point about how despite Minato claiming the epiteth "Yellow Flash," is always too late to save others(ironically HotBoy also makes this exact point in one of his videos but only spends like 10 seconds on it). But aside from that, he was just summarizing the plot or making basic observations.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Thats why I believe his Naruto critique and his Itachi video are superior to his Minato one... Its obviously not as objective in terms of what the writer himself is trying to convey, and its more of a subjective interpretation but its gives a certain perspective that his Minato video didnt..
That spicy guy is really just a clout chaser and was going around in circles and was being hypocritical, he claims that we as people should strive to be better and that just cuz somebody does something as simple as not using a word to it’s direct definition doesn’t make it right but then calls himself a toxic person and very confrontational and seems ok with it ? Kinda bizarre how u feel like people shouldn’t use words out of there definition but u think that being toxic and basically just being weird overall is ok ? Also he basically says that if he doesn’t feel like a discussion should be had or is “intelligent” or “useful” in some way then shouldn’t be talked about. Like who gave him that ego 😭 why does this guy feel so entitled and like he can deem what is a worthy conversation for other people to have he speaks like he’s god and what he thinks is absolute
I’m subscribed to all of them and while I don’t agree with spicy’s post I see where he’s coming from in how he judges content he should have kept it to himself tho cause he’s not built for these battles Seth swag and six shit on other creators all the time so if you’re that mad at spicy get over it he was for sure wrong but the others aren’t automatically better people
I mean swag only bashes people who are actively malicious to him or a shitty person. Like noodles and parrot def had it coming. And other creators he tends to sight things about their personality that he thinks is shitty. And even then this isn’t something he does often at all
First thought listening to his argument is just how cringe this is. Boasting about how confrontational and how toxic he is in real life (which isn’t a really good or desirable trait in general) but to double back on that on the internet when confronted is just kinda cringe. As well as using he is “toxic and confrontational in real life” to justify his actions which is pretty stupid in general.
Spicy definitely had that big d energy when writing that post and absolutely didn't expect to get called out. And when he got on a call with them he's really humble and backpedaling all of a sudden.
Spicy thinks they are more successful because of the algorithm, but in reality it's just because their content is better. It's anime discussion, the whole point of which is to be entertaining, not functional. It's funny to entertain and dismantle stupid arguments, because you hear them all the time from the anime community. What's more interesting to someone who already watched Naruto; a summary of the series, or a debate where somebody thinks Shikamaru is faster than Kakashi? People want to laugh at the idiot, it's pretty simple. As for the reasons Spicy may not be very popular. I find it interesting how he used the word profound in his post, because that's exactly the impression I got from his content. I felt like he was trying way too hard to come off as profound and insightful. In reality, his content is hard to digest. His scripts are clearly meant to be poetic, but I feel like they are a detriment to his message, and quite honestly I find them boring. In an anime community, this style of content, even if executed well, will only appeal to a niche. The comparison to Sage's Rain is actually very accurate, they are very similar stylistically. On top of all this, his ego and arrogance seep through into his content. When he joined the call, he acted exactly as I imagined he acts based off his content alone. As much as Spicy says he likes to separate the content from the creator, that is not how it works. People watch creators that they like, and if they don't like you then they (hopefully) won't watch you. People don't like to be patronized, and to me Spicy's content definitely felt patronizing. People like Swagkage and Six are relatable, and in general don't patronize their viewers. That is why they are successful, and part of the reason why Spicy is not. Last thing, HotBoySpicy is a very strange brand for someone who is trying to be a creator. In the off chance you happen to read this, I'd really consider re-branding to something else. I don't mean to be a prick, but that's just my honest criticism towards the channel.
Idk, much as I thought Spicy's behaviour in this whole thing was cringe as hell, I personally find a lot more value in his content exploring the thematics and messaging of Naruto, compared to the multitude of What If and powerscaling vids Six and gang make. Personally I find powerscaling characters doesn't really add much to a series, and is often far too much up to interpretation.
Honestly, spicy was pretty interesting when he could get a word in, might check out his channel. And still praying for the day. Seth turns down his volume on live streams
Also this dude mentions that Craftsdwarf deserves more clout or views for his videos but he forgets that Craftsdwarf BARELY makes videos now. Like he puts one out every few months. OFC he isn't gonna get as much views as Sage Rain. Its basic math. Both TH-camrs make similar content with similar levels of production value but one is more consistent. It ain't that hard.
he started off by saying he started this because hes a clout chaser, then continued to say its unfortunate that it just happened to be six he chased after but he loves the confrontation and is a proud toxic person irl, he then gets toxicity thrown at him by seth and he folded ngl i turned the video off after this didnt see the rest but im not really a fan of content like this it only left a bad taste in my mouth but im a fan of both six and seth so i really wanted to hear what had to be said in my opinion your friend group should just continue what yall was doing ive been a fan of seth, swag and clyde for a while and more recently became a fan of six and sage, i have never heard of this hotboy guy and now because he did this i wont ever consider watching his content not because hes beefing with people im a fan of but because hes a weirdo edit: to add i didnt watch that minato video because i personally just like hotboy i wasnt interested in the video as ik minato isnt a psychopath but the normal way of going about it is just not watching it, but he went about it the clout chasing weirdo way
It is a weird he tries to speak for everyone in dictating how content creators should strive to be better, and how they should hold themselves up to a better standard and not use certain terms. Yet he himself says he's arrogant and how he referred to his own community is... Well at the end of the day if you really do want better standards, it starts with the self first and then spreads through to others by your actions, and condescendingly putting down others content in reference to your own isn't exactly a good act to lead with.
God damn this was a tough listen 😅 It sucks because I genuinely enjoy HBS's videos and I think he talks about a lot of things in a pretty nuanced way that a good portion of the NaruTube community doesn't. HOWEVER Jesus does he make the absolute worst impression here. While I agree with most of his content, the self righteousness and arrogance he's showing throughout this is pretty embarrassing and gross. Like fuck, dude, watch the video you're trying to roast. It's a bummer because I feel like if he wasn't so defensive (and somehow aggressive at the same time) this could've been a cool debate where everyone walked away with a better understanding, that also could've led to collabs in the future, which I genuinely believe could be pretty top notch. Hope he changes his attitude soon and the hatchet gets buried
It was like Shikamaru vs Ino and Obito and Madara pulled up. Shikamaru being six, Obito being Swag and Obiously Madara being Seth. I don't have to mention who Ino is lmao.
I don’t like the fact that he’s trying to make an argument based on this moral high ground and acting super condescending about how insightful he is But at the same time he left the video that he hates the most on his channel because it made views and money. You know the video he claims is one of his worst. So when he talks about how he deleted videos that weren’t insightful it sounds fake af because of how self righteous he sounds when he’s being condescending to everyone else
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Well if his personality was actually good and in his own words he says he's a toxic person. Then maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing he'd have to divorce himself from. Again he claims other people should be making better 'necessary' content all most as if it's some moral duty, while shooting himself in the foot by acknowledging his own real personality is from that.
@@Naruku2121 You're conflating two separate points here. He himself states that he detaches persona from content, why would he be obligated to delete a post or improve said content based on reasons that stem from his persona? His main gripe was lack of insight conveyed in an attempt to adhere to previously known plot points or obvious observations for viewage sake, which causes a lack of progressive content within the Naruto analysis space. It doesn't seem as if you've interpreted his contention too well, either way he held the lower ground within this discussion and walked away looking worse due to his concessions + his admittance of arrogance.
It's kinda crazy how bad spicy is at getting his point across. His entire argument is "This video shouldn't exist because you can answer the question presented in the thumbnail as "No Minato is not a psychopath". All he had to do is ask if a video like "Could academy Sasuke beat jyuubi Madara" should even bother being made if the answer can be determined in one second of critical thinking. Seth, Swag and Six all do the clickbait filler videos to put stuff out at a consistent pace. Sometimes they have banger topics and sometimes they are just milking a trash topic to fill a quota, and they know it, and their fans like it so who cares. Spicy just wanted to feel superior for his "highbrow intellectual" content and if his videos *are* (I haven't seen them) more thought provoking and have deeper analysis than all the power to him but it's akin to one person playing chess and the other playing call of duty, they aren't the same skill set. Reminds me of video essay guys hating on let's players, it's the same old tired ass content gating.
He’s self righteous and arrogant. He believes things have to be “necessary” in order to be consumed. There is so much media that’s only purpose is entertainment. Which he apparently has a problem with because he doesn’t deem it “necessary”. He’s up on a high horse for no reason. He’s claiming a moral high ground where there is none. His entire viewpoint is more asinine than the video he has a problem with lmao. Dude came to talk about a video that he DIDNT EVEN WATCH, like how you gonna have an opinion on something you didn’t watch.
There was no moral stance in any of his arguments. Saying that content creators SHOULD aspire to make content that actually serves a purpose and has a reason to exist, isn't the same thing as saying that such content that isn't "necessary" CAN'T make such content. And while I do agree that it was a mistep for him to call out a video he didn't fully watch(and spicy does concede this aspect of the argument), it isn't really the focal point of his argument since his initial post is talking about animanga content in general.
She was trolling you and did not expect you to call him out link up with him as well as get a understanding of where he was coming from, he was looking for someone to argue with. Bro I believe that you have learned sage mode LOL
I think arguing over if the video should’ve been made or not due to the relevancy or likelihood of the video’s subject is more relevant the the semantics of the video being made but i do respect bro for being willing to come on stream an actually discuss converse with these ppl who are way bigger then him
Don’t think it was hate from HBS he was saying how some video analysis like Minato being a psychopath is weird which if being honest is a weird video title/subject.
Then he should’ve said that in his post rather than putting Six in his post. He was extremely self righteous and annoying. Six made a video about a thread he saw. Not even arguing whether he is or isn’t. He flat out he said he disagrees with the topic as well.
Why is he weird? Genuinely curious. He just seems to want more views and threw a bit of a tantrum over it. He’s not weird tho as far as I can tell. If I thought I put in more effort than most people with little to no recognition I’d be upset too
@@SGalaxyify Yea but being understandably upset and hating on people, specifically for a video you didnt watch all of before criticizing is a bit different, even if you think your content is better you should watch a full vid before dogging on it
@@SGalaxyify throwing a tantrum online over views is weird bro and this is coming from someone with autism I say the weirdest shit sometimes but that shit is weird in a different level fr
@@ScrewTTON yes 100% agree. It’s still not weird tho. Just immature…..bitch made even. Weird just doesn’t make sense to me. I understand his motivation to do what he did. Wouldn’t be my particular way of handling the situation but I understood exactly what he meant. Even in the video of them discussing it Seth was being more weird than he was, though I understand he was doing so ironically.
@@ScrewTTON not to mention he concedes on a LOT in the discussion and probably ends up leaving the conversation a better person, even if only so he doesn’t get that kind of attention again.
To Seth's example about pedophile. It's a extreme example but the point is still the same. I forget what it's called but people who are attracted to teens between 14 - 16 are defined differently than pedophiles but people often don't know this. The point is its kinda ridiculous to make this to be the main reason you dislike something.
I have subscribed to them all but I completely get Spicy's point. When it comes to understanding Naruto, the themes and the message it is trying to convey spicy is undoubtedly the best. His videos are like watching a literary work and you can tell how serious he takes his videos and how much effort he puts in them. No wonder he wants to be a writer. I think that is why it irritates when he sees 99% of the community give shit or surface level takes and engage in things like powerful scaling which he is not interested in or finds unnecessary.
From my perspective all i heard from spicy was “well people should like and dislike what i like” it came off as like everything he does or says has no fault. Super cringe to listen to.
This video in a nutshell: why don’t you like the video? Because it’s clickbait that you don’t even believe in. The video doesn’t address anything and therefore doesn’t provide anything beneficial to the community. End
😂😂😂men watching this video now is so hilarious seth was really funny regardless of what i know about him now and swag was just swag 😂 i wish we got more of the "The council" but I guess that can't happen anymore cuz seth fucked up
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seth and swag pulled up like the 6 paths of pain on his ass
Honestly bro imagine having your first debate and seth and swag pull up on you 😭 imagine if pain attacked naruto in the first episode instead of mizuki
@@Azzsoul999 Seth and swag are dickeaters
@@Azzsoul999”actually madara would work much better” -swag probably
@@Wowza08 lol
@@Azzsoul999 seth was super annoying in this video fr, with the "god" and "lord" stuff, hella cringe
-‘We shouldn’t use the word psychopath so flippantly because it devalues the word as a medical term’
-Uses retarded to mean stupid or idiotic
Spicy you better pick a lane homeboy
think he meant in a way where it can be seen by loads of people like a thumbnail for a popular TH-cam channel. I guess him saying here wouldn’t really have an effect
@@nozers it would effect the people watching using that logic and also is just hypocritical cuz he devaluating retarded the same way six is devaluating psychopath using spicy logic ofc
I use both where I see fit.
@@valydendor4472 that’s you being consistent. I tend to shy away from both.
@@valydendor4472the point is he blatantly contradicts himself.
I was there live, Seth and Swag joining the call was like the Avengers assembling
“I was there live” 😂
Yea only instead of super heroes showing up nerds show up lmao
@@generalkarn9356😭😭😭☠️😭😭😭 yoo dis shi had me crying w joke bruh
"I love confrontation"
• Is super anxious
• Made a fool out of himself
• Didn't have an argument
• Was getting overwhelmed by confrontation
I think maybe streaming is what specifically made him anxious. If it was a private conversation, I think he would be in his element. Don’t for sure tho but it came off that way for me
nigga it was a 3 on 1
I mean yea, but imo both sides are wrong they didn’t have to get him on stream and gang up on him but he also didn’t have to do all the shit he did in the first place, could’ve been handled privately though lol
@@PlayBoiRoyce could’ve been handled privately for sure but he criticized them publicly so you get what you ask for
@@averywoolfe5809 very true, but he only criticized six, swag and Seth didn’t have to jump in especially with the platforms they have compared to six and spicy it could’ve just been six and spicy handling it privately I don’t really see a reason for Seth and swag to jump in but there’s nothing wrong with them jumping in as well they were defending their friend (took it a bit too far but it’s still cool)
Bro has a problem with a video using the term "psychopath" and then throws around the word "retarded", dude is so self-righteous it's crazy lmao
“Retarded” just means “slow”. It’s used it many situations that are completely different from mental retardation
bcus doctors don't go and call ppl retarded willy nilly?
I enjoy Spicy's content, but yeah this was absolute cringe. He went in with no argument, I have a feeling he just made the post without thinking much about it but doesn't want to look weak by conceding on his non-existent point. He's also doing that thing where you actively try making yourself look bad by saying shit like "well this gives me exposure" as a way to make himself look unphased or unbothered, even though he probably deeply regrets this debacle.
Also, love the energy Seth brings with him, піggа crashed the party with the daddy complex, I love it.
Nah seth was cringy asf, constantly using the same joke of calling a god was weird asf. Had to stop watching once he started his shenanigans
Sm, I also enjoy spicys content but wtf is wrong with this guys ego.
seth and six were trolling like children tho. spicy didnt deserve that
When swag said “the council” I lost it 😂
Bro literally stepped into the ring with THE pro debaters lol
@@bigbitehood1353 he didn’t expect everyone to pull up on call 😂 dude is just a hater tho
Jeez… this was a rough listen. Six and Spicy had a very civil convo and I thought it was all chill, convo seemed over. Then Seth and Swag come in and start dunking on his poor soul 🤣.
Was gonna say the same thing, it was civil then six got confident when swag and Seth joined. Not gonna lie pointless video six should've just ignored it.
Lol
Ahh so the typical "debate" video from Seth
@@jamx_1276I love seths videos and long debates but damn when he starts shit talking it hurts to see.
“I’m problematic, and even a little toxic”
All I heard was he gets not bitches
😂😂
LMFAO
so he's like u?
We don't know
Swag and Seth showing up is like the First & Second Hokage showing up in a big bombastic heroic moment.
like orochimaru summoning the both of them against hiruzen 💀💀💀
@@memoriilanes Yeah or that as well, lmao
But who would be Minato had his casket been summoned?
Comparing white boys to Kage... Shit wild
@@hanyokusanagi1597 what dose skin color have to do with anything
@@stlegion-px1wo nothing at all my grandfather is Japanese though..... This show happens to be about his people I mean I was joking but he hates this kinda stuff
"I'm a pretty toxic person to people irl" first of all gross
Second of all, I find it hilarious that Seth came in incredibly toxic and he just couldn't handle it lmao
I disagree, seth was trolling for the sake of trolling when the discussion was serious. Imo he was just detracting from the conversation. Once seth stopped trolling the conversation became much smoother imo.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc okay
@@jackferdinger4180 very good response. Added a lot there. It showed how you truly felt about that person’s retort.
@@moe5177 ok
@@moe5177 That okay spoke volumes tho.
“We shouldn’t abide by what society is now”
“Well I’m making content for people in society now” 😭
W reply from Six
The spicy kid is saying in essence what we all at some point have felt. There's a video with a title or topic that is addressing something, debunking something, answering a question...That no one fucking asked. No one, or such a small minority, that it makes the necessity of it so minuit, that the idea of the motivation for the videos publishing being an asspull due to lack of video/content ideas comes to the forefront. His failure to completely and clearly communicate this, and his habit to talk in tangents and explain the point before stating what the point is directly didn't help.
His real issue is that as arrogant as he is, he takes pride in really having something to say in a video, delivering high quality content that is relevant and necessary. His peers in the sphere performing at a lower level out of laziness, by choice, or whatever, reflects poorly on his "profession"
Take note that he doesn't think highly enough of the anime/manga analysis sphere to admit to people that, that is what he does. Pride is involved.
Imagine a rap beef, or any real or manufactured competition. The idea is to seed elevation of quality. To up the game, so to speak. Though I doubt it was that intentional or that thought out/planned, that was the feeling behind the action. A lot of bravado. A challenge.
The use of the word Psychopath being used colloquially rather than as its strict and/or scientific definition was a minor side-issue, a reason that was merely a pet peeve of his, that he elevated, or allowed to be elevated to detract from and buy time for him to think of a way to address the real reason/issue.
He should have stated his point. Expand on it after. Too much time being spent on making disclaimers and pre-clarification, setting the stage for the point, just to never cleanly present the point, if at all, is what led to things going in circles. Add random cut ins, pushes for clarification, and commentary from THE COUNCIL. Yeah.
It's sad to think we may never get this team up again.
Nah prolly will they all cool again
@@backwood2x361 Why do you think that, You got some new info or sumn?
@@backwood2x361they are NOT cool w seth 😭🙏
Considering how articulate Spicy is discussing his issues with the video, you’d think he’d at least watch the whole video. Criticizing a video or movie without finishing it is going to weaken your argument about it.
True, but the focal point of his argument wasn't even about the contents of the video itself, it's that content creators will pump out any video if it will get views because they have become complacement with their high subscriber count. The video itself didn't even need making if Six prioritized the quality and usefullness of his video instead of just making a topic people want to see. And that's the broader point, successful content creators make videos undeserving of their status, they just take advantage of the fact that people will watch their videos regardless of how dull it is.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Why should it matter if the video quality is low while the content isn’t? Plus the part of TH-camrs deserving and not deserving their success is a bad take since the argument can be made that no TH-camr should deserve their success because YouTubing isn’t a “real” job.
imo spicy seems to be of the ben shapiro sound smart but say next to nothing variety so person so i personally wasnt too surprised
@@franciscoatempa1470 TH-cam isn't a real job? You work and get paid, by what standard is it not a real job?
@@albertludwig6098 thats furthest from the truth lmfao
Imagine acting so high and mighty about your analytical ability but not understanding hyperbole and colloquialisms some of the most fundamental parts of language
🤓
And bro said he wants to be a writer 😂
@@inspectahgex1910 but you see he will be a writer that uses perfectly pristine literal language and the narrative will be so extra dimensionally good that it will be great
@@inspectahgex1910 and he could definitely do it tbh
bro is just biased now
The way Seth and swag came in😂😂😂
had me ROLLING
Bro makes good videos. Great even but that was just a dumb post. I felt that video that six posted was good. I hadn't even thought about if Minato was a psychopath of not so when he made the video talking about how some people could see that he is and explained how he wasn't because of his circumstances , I felt that it was very insightful
It's funny how spicy and six were having a good conversation but as soon as six gets back up he all of a sudden grows a pair lol. I've seen folk like him alot and it's kinda lame tbh. Seth ain't no better because he was just trolling for no reason. When he stopped acting like a childish bully the conversation actually went somewhere. All I seen was kindergarten level playground tactics from both sides and I feel like this whole situation should've went alot better.
Exactly. It’s that childish pack mentality to ultimately leads to the conversation getting nowhere
fr, but what did spicy do?
Spicy honestly should’ve just left engaging with these people is pointless and if you do you’re a part of the problem
I don’t see six doing anything crazy, just Seth and swag antagonizing spicy.
22:46 that sure aged like milk
on god.
Ngl that moment took me out the vid every other comment seems to have been posted a few months before the Seth stuff came out
Recently on my channel I was asked who I think is the best and worst “power scaler” , and while I hesitated to name a worse I didn’t hesitate to name you as the best. I’ve been watching those like swag, Seth, and Chuck for years and still I find you to be the most unbias and certifiable when it comes to this while also being entertaining
On one hand spicy is a goober and there was zero possibility he was going to be in the right in this situation.
On the other hand it’s fairly clear that his main issue lies with the general lack of literacy and narrative/reading comprehension in “fans” that people, specifically content creators like swag, six and especially seth have been addressing and clowning them about for literally years so I can’t exactly blame him for feeling the way he does or calling out other TH-camrs he feels contribute to that
Though he is a numbskull for not watching the video he was calling out all the way
I agree with everything you just said. Great comment
That debate was kinda weak from every side. I was kind of expecting a better response. His position wasn't that difficult to understand. It's either he values videos mostly on complexity/rigor of it, or the educational value that comes from that. Being good faith I am guessing he would go for the latter mostly, which is countered with the fact that at the core that six's videos do relatively the same thing. Making videos that the general population can digest has the potential to move a sub-set of viewers towards spicy's content who other wise wouldn't bother.
Hell if I include power-scaling I could probably make an argument that six's content is far more valuable (based on spicy's premise) than his just on the potential for people who have no basis in logic and argument to have a fun way to engage with the concepts, providing people with tools on how to utilize critical thinking which can carry forward into many other aspects in their lives...ultimately for the better.
If Spicy thinks people will just naturally adapt his position with zero foundation, enjoy the pigeon hole that creates. Generally people don't wake up one day and have the drive and capability to instantly appreciate and understand "high level concepts" *jerks off*. His beef isn't with content creators, its the audience. Which is where his frustration should have been placed, but that might affect his VIEWERSHIP.
I 100% agree with you bro, never saw it like that until you mentioned it, but his beef is with the audience. He can't attack them because then what would happen to his channel? Instead he places it on the creators like Six. I personally see no problem with creating content that other people want to see, whether or not the message is profound or unique. You are not doing anyone a disservice by creating something that others want to see.
That is unless you don't enjoy making or agree with your own content in which case the only person being hurt by it is you.
If you like it, and others want it, everyone wins. If you don't want it, don't watch it. Nobody is competing here, if I like swags videos that will eventually lead me to seth or Six and then maybe to hotboyspicy. Just more content for everyone to enjoy.
>Anime profile picture
Opinion disregarded.
@@RossLemon troll
@@RossLemonhow does this work in a debate about an anime character?
@@RossLemon you are watching anime youtubers wtf😂🤦🏽♂️
See, I can at least somewhat understand where Spicy is coming from, if he's trying to argue against click-baity thumbnails and topics that aren't controversial, but he was still way out of line here. He didn't even watch the video before making such a bold post, and he came out looking pretty silly. He also didn't engage well with the idea that people can glean something even out of such an obvious topic, whether it be learning the arguments people CAN make to show Minato is a psychopath (which could also give someone a better understanding of Minato's character/background), or even just entertainment from watching the video. This whole platform is designed around entertainment, if people are clicking and are entertained then isn't that reason enough to upload it? If he actually watched the video, had some genuine criticisms of the video and didn't make such an unfounded, inflammatory post, he could've at least made a generalized argument on the types of content that HE thinks are most productive.
This was perfect content to shovel snow to, I started it right before i started shoveling and finished basically at the same time the video did. While I have some nitpicky issues with everyone in this chat it was overall a pretty chill way to talk through all this “drama” ✌🏻✌🏻I’m just now hearing about. Good to see nobody was taking themselves too seriously to the point of UTTER cringe. HBS didn’t need to say any of the things that lead to this but it’s cool he’s able to learn from it and nobody was being unbearably cringeworthy amount of antagonistic. I’d personally like to hear these guys all on a call again in a more chill setting
Same but while i was cleaning
Lol I was listening while also shoveling
@@MilleniumKage my man lol
I had to come back to this gem while at work, fuck Seth tho
Seth made it more toxic and swag and six were just acting toxic asw, if it was just HBS six and swag it would have been chill
“Is it that obvious? My voice is probably shaking”
“…Yeah”
"Stop making me sound so self-righteous!"
Bro, dude is literally quoting you verbatim.
Seth is so good at bullying
Comment aged rather well
This Comment aged extremely well. Fine wine
Six you are an incredible person.
A large amount of our language isn't strictly adhernt to the definition of our words.
The dickeating is crazy 😂😂😂
I like spicy. He's not like all these other youtubers but the post was outta pocket. Yes I feel that you should say what you feel, but at the same time you gotta be ready to take fire with your chest out. Which he did but he did it wrong. Props for him showing up but damn. When Seth and swag show up its over. It's fuel for six.
HBS was 1v4 and had the first time livestreaming to hundreds of people debuff so he wasn't able to defend his points very well at all, making the debate so redundant. Which is kinda ironic because Swag had a phase like that for a bit before he got used to being live.
Regardless, it was a bit entertaining
To be fair, Six literally asked him beforehand if he was alright with them joining the call and Spicy agreed to it. He even implies and later explicitly states that the reason that he wanted Seth & Swag to join was because it was an opportunity for exposure, which is stupid. Also, if you're gonna be publicly edgy and antagonistic on a public YT post towards a community of ppl and directly call out specific creators who are bigger than you and end up being that anxious and rhetorically ineffective in the actual convo, it seems to me that you're just setting up yourself for failure. He definitely could have lessened the unfriendly conditions of the convo and made himself look better.
@@NeoExpo fair points. It was quite impulsive. But eh 🤷♂️ I think a lot of people are learning from it. Hopefully
@@NeoExpo I mean it being a means of exposure for him isn't an entirely stupid reason imo. People did see his videos after the debate and while they may not like him as an individual, the quality of his content speaks for itself so even spicy haters watching his videos is a net positive for him.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Exposure itself isn’t inherently good. Blindly seeking it out without acknowledging that it has the potential of backlashing and damaging you in the long run is naive. He’s just betting that the outcome will be good and outweigh the negative without knowing the actual outcome. Even if it does end up benefiting him here, that doesn’t necessarily prove that all forms of exposure are good, or that he knew it was going to be the way that it was, or even if that gained increase in exposure will have longevity. If Six and Seth decided to go hard on him with the intent of making him look bad, or damaging his career, that would have reflected terribly on him. It just happened to be the case that it didn’t play out that way and that the discussion ended up being chill, but the point is, he didn’t know that coming into it.
Also depending on the amount of hate watchers, if there are more hate watchers than actual fans, I wouldn’t consider that a positive thing, as it can be self destructive, or at the very least lead to an unsecured fan base. If your only goal is to increase your numbers and don’t mind being hated than sure, but if you want to generate an authentic audience that actually cares about your content, having your entire career contingent on hate watchers isn’t the way to go.
@@NeoExpo I mean, obviously he's not gonna just say "no", that would be kinda rude lol. He had his back against the wall there.
we might have to see more vids w spicy seth, and swag. This right here is content
Crazy listening to Seth after all the stuff that came out
Fr if people were paying attention the signs were all there
Swag and six totally new they act like they were so shocked but they did also people acting like Seth is EDP but uhh he literally just every anime TH-camr
Six pulls up all calm and shit and and then the BOIS pull up 🤣
The only one who came out of this with positive exposure is sage's rain and he wasn't even there
I can't imagine getting this but hurt over a guy who didn't say anything about you personally on an actual personal real life level and then on top of that having the 2 guys in the community that live for drama and hate each other one week and then suck each other off the next come on and suck you off to give you your conformation bias you need to feel better.
Seth got him with the attacking lively hood question
15:30 "these guys want us to fight so bad"
Idk I think the one making a call out post wants that
Seth has his ways when he talks where he controls the way the conversation flows, ball is always In his court is the idea, respect I think your speech craft skill 86plus 🤣😂
No, sages rain’s videos are great his Minato philosophy video almost made me cry… the ending hit so hard
I just watched it and it was okay at best. The problem with Sages rain isn't that he says dumb things, but everything he says are things anybody who reads Naruto can pick up on, since most of what he touches on are ideas blatantly communicated in the story through the dialogue. Good analysis channels go beyond simply dialogue present in the story and make long-spanning narrative conclusions that connect multiple story points and expose the greater message the narrative might have been trying to communicate through the story. The best thing in that video was the point about how despite Minato claiming the epiteth "Yellow Flash," is always too late to save others(ironically HotBoy also makes this exact point in one of his videos but only spends like 10 seconds on it). But aside from that, he was just summarizing the plot or making basic observations.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Thats why I believe his Naruto critique and his Itachi video are superior to his Minato one...
Its obviously not as objective in terms of what the writer himself is trying to convey, and its more of a subjective interpretation but its gives a certain perspective that his Minato video didnt..
That spicy guy is really just a clout chaser and was going around in circles and was being hypocritical, he claims that we as people should strive to be better and that just cuz somebody does something as simple as not using a word to it’s direct definition doesn’t make it right but then calls himself a toxic person and very confrontational and seems ok with it ? Kinda bizarre how u feel like people shouldn’t use words out of there definition but u think that being toxic and basically just being weird overall is ok ? Also he basically says that if he doesn’t feel like a discussion should be had or is “intelligent” or “useful” in some way then shouldn’t be talked about. Like who gave him that ego 😭 why does this guy feel so entitled and like he can deem what is a worthy conversation for other people to have he speaks like he’s god and what he thinks is absolute
Bro I’m just listening to the first part of him talking like “I’m sure there are worse naruto TH-camrs”. Bro sounds so full of himself it’s crazy.
he's right tho?
I’m subscribed to all of them and while I don’t agree with spicy’s post I see where he’s coming from in how he judges content he should have kept it to himself tho cause he’s not built for these battles Seth swag and six shit on other creators all the time so if you’re that mad at spicy get over it he was for sure wrong but the others aren’t automatically better people
I mean swag only bashes people who are actively malicious to him or a shitty person. Like noodles and parrot def had it coming. And other creators he tends to sight things about their personality that he thinks is shitty. And even then this isn’t something he does often at all
this dude seth said "since you're my deity" lmaoooo bro was ready to get at it for Six i fw dude
First thought listening to his argument is just how cringe this is. Boasting about how confrontational and how toxic he is in real life (which isn’t a really good or desirable trait in general) but to double back on that on the internet when confronted is just kinda cringe. As well as using he is “toxic and confrontational in real life” to justify his actions which is pretty stupid in general.
This was a really fast clip upload
This stream only happened a few hours ago 😂
This hotboy guy takes himself way too seriously lol. He reminds me of comic guy from the simpsons
nah seth and swag were doing too much trolling for no reason
22:49 seth calling himself out 💀
Spicy definitely had that big d energy when writing that post and absolutely didn't expect to get called out. And when he got on a call with them he's really humble and backpedaling all of a sudden.
he was clarifying what he actually meant by his post?
@@D_Owogod damn you dick munching crazy in this comment section 😭😭
Spicy thinks they are more successful because of the algorithm, but in reality it's just because their content is better. It's anime discussion, the whole point of which is to be entertaining, not functional. It's funny to entertain and dismantle stupid arguments, because you hear them all the time from the anime community. What's more interesting to someone who already watched Naruto; a summary of the series, or a debate where somebody thinks Shikamaru is faster than Kakashi? People want to laugh at the idiot, it's pretty simple.
As for the reasons Spicy may not be very popular. I find it interesting how he used the word profound in his post, because that's exactly the impression I got from his content. I felt like he was trying way too hard to come off as profound and insightful. In reality, his content is hard to digest. His scripts are clearly meant to be poetic, but I feel like they are a detriment to his message, and quite honestly I find them boring. In an anime community, this style of content, even if executed well, will only appeal to a niche. The comparison to Sage's Rain is actually very accurate, they are very similar stylistically.
On top of all this, his ego and arrogance seep through into his content. When he joined the call, he acted exactly as I imagined he acts based off his content alone. As much as Spicy says he likes to separate the content from the creator, that is not how it works. People watch creators that they like, and if they don't like you then they (hopefully) won't watch you. People don't like to be patronized, and to me Spicy's content definitely felt patronizing. People like Swagkage and Six are relatable, and in general don't patronize their viewers. That is why they are successful, and part of the reason why Spicy is not.
Last thing, HotBoySpicy is a very strange brand for someone who is trying to be a creator. In the off chance you happen to read this, I'd really consider re-branding to something else. I don't mean to be a prick, but that's just my honest criticism towards the channel.
This is it right here. Spicy's got some growing up to do.
Idk, much as I thought Spicy's behaviour in this whole thing was cringe as hell, I personally find a lot more value in his content exploring the thematics and messaging of Naruto, compared to the multitude of What If and powerscaling vids Six and gang make. Personally I find powerscaling characters doesn't really add much to a series, and is often far too much up to interpretation.
Honestly, spicy was pretty interesting when he could get a word in, might check out his channel. And still praying for the day. Seth turns down his volume on live streams
Also this dude mentions that Craftsdwarf deserves more clout or views for his videos but he forgets that Craftsdwarf BARELY makes videos now. Like he puts one out every few months. OFC he isn't gonna get as much views as Sage Rain. Its basic math. Both TH-camrs make similar content with similar levels of production value but one is more consistent. It ain't that hard.
The legendary sannin pulled up on spicy
Underrated comment 😂
Seth hit the nail on the head with the making a living thing
Swag has joined the chat:
The chat is now a meme:
Bless you swag
#bringbackdragonballogy
Dayum six was hearing him out to see what was up and then Seth just instant chaos💀💀💀💀
he started off by saying he started this because hes a clout chaser, then continued to say its unfortunate that it just happened to be six he chased after but he loves the confrontation and is a proud toxic person irl, he then gets toxicity thrown at him by seth and he folded
ngl i turned the video off after this didnt see the rest but im not really a fan of content like this it only left a bad taste in my mouth but im a fan of both six and seth so i really wanted to hear what had to be said
in my opinion your friend group should just continue what yall was doing ive been a fan of seth, swag and clyde for a while and more recently became a fan of six and sage, i have never heard of this hotboy guy and now because he did this i wont ever consider watching his content not because hes beefing with people im a fan of but because hes a weirdo
edit: to add
i didnt watch that minato video because i personally just like hotboy i wasnt interested in the video as ik minato isnt a psychopath but the normal way of going about it is just not watching it, but he went about it the clout chasing weirdo way
This anime powerscaling talk is real
Be ready to die behind it 😤😤😤
I like how they just came in and started flaming shit 😭😭😭
“A MASTERCLASS of thematic structure🤓
It is a weird he tries to speak for everyone in dictating how content creators should strive to be better, and how they should hold themselves up to a better standard and not use certain terms. Yet he himself says he's arrogant and how he referred to his own community is...
Well at the end of the day if you really do want better standards, it starts with the self first and then spreads through to others by your actions, and condescendingly putting down others content in reference to your own isn't exactly a good act to lead with.
Bro u be upload Seth and six clips 💪🏼a true legend
Couldn't image downing sages rain of all content creators
Clown behaviour
I just checked his newest video and it’s literally why boruto is the perfect sequel
22:46 Aged like fine wine didn't it 😂
Bro, spicy got attacted by the Big 3 S's
Seth
Swag
& Six
the noodles callback sent me
That was like the weirdest flavor or haterade I ever heard someone drink and he was guzzling that sht lol
God damn this was a tough listen 😅
It sucks because I genuinely enjoy HBS's videos and I think he talks about a lot of things in a pretty nuanced way that a good portion of the NaruTube community doesn't.
HOWEVER Jesus does he make the absolute worst impression here. While I agree with most of his content, the self righteousness and arrogance he's showing throughout this is pretty embarrassing and gross. Like fuck, dude, watch the video you're trying to roast.
It's a bummer because I feel like if he wasn't so defensive (and somehow aggressive at the same time) this could've been a cool debate where everyone walked away with a better understanding, that also could've led to collabs in the future, which I genuinely believe could be pretty top notch.
Hope he changes his attitude soon and the hatchet gets buried
Being put on spot is an understatement lol
It was like Shikamaru vs Ino and Obito and Madara pulled up.
Shikamaru being six, Obito being Swag and Obiously Madara being Seth. I don't have to mention who Ino is lmao.
In order to sacrifice popularity you must first have popularity to sacrifice
I don’t like the fact that he’s trying to make an argument based on this moral high ground and acting super condescending about how insightful he is
But at the same time he left the video that he hates the most on his channel because it made views and money. You know the video he claims is one of his worst.
So when he talks about how he deleted videos that weren’t insightful it sounds fake af because of how self righteous he sounds when he’s being condescending to everyone else
As for the plague of gripes video, it is actually somewhat insightful, he just doesn't like it because he injected his personality into that video.
@@RandomPerson-le6xc Well if his personality was actually good and in his own words he says he's a toxic person. Then maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing he'd have to divorce himself from. Again he claims other people should be making better 'necessary' content all most as if it's some moral duty, while shooting himself in the foot by acknowledging his own real personality is from that.
@@Naruku2121 You're conflating two separate points here.
He himself states that he detaches persona from content, why would he be obligated to delete a post or improve said content based on reasons that stem from his persona?
His main gripe was lack of insight conveyed in an attempt to adhere to previously known plot points or obvious observations for viewage sake, which causes a lack of progressive content within the Naruto analysis space.
It doesn't seem as if you've interpreted his contention too well, either way he held the lower ground within this discussion and walked away looking worse due to his concessions + his admittance of arrogance.
he wasn't tryna be condescending or self righteous tho?
@@RandomPerson-le6xc no the plague of gripes vid was stupid
It's kinda crazy how bad spicy is at getting his point across. His entire argument is "This video shouldn't exist because you can answer the question presented in the thumbnail as "No Minato is not a psychopath". All he had to do is ask if a video like "Could academy Sasuke beat jyuubi Madara" should even bother being made if the answer can be determined in one second of critical thinking.
Seth, Swag and Six all do the clickbait filler videos to put stuff out at a consistent pace. Sometimes they have banger topics and sometimes they are just milking a trash topic to fill a quota, and they know it, and their fans like it so who cares.
Spicy just wanted to feel superior for his "highbrow intellectual" content and if his videos *are* (I haven't seen them) more thought provoking and have deeper analysis than all the power to him but it's akin to one person playing chess and the other playing call of duty, they aren't the same skill set.
Reminds me of video essay guys hating on let's players, it's the same old tired ass content gating.
maybe he was nervous bcus 3 of the biggest naruto ytubers were pressuring him? also spicy is somewhat right
He’s self righteous and arrogant. He believes things have to be “necessary” in order to be consumed. There is so much media that’s only purpose is entertainment. Which he apparently has a problem with because he doesn’t deem it “necessary”. He’s up on a high horse for no reason. He’s claiming a moral high ground where there is none. His entire viewpoint is more asinine than the video he has a problem with lmao. Dude came to talk about a video that he DIDNT EVEN WATCH, like how you gonna have an opinion on something you didn’t watch.
There was no moral stance in any of his arguments. Saying that content creators SHOULD aspire to make content that actually serves a purpose and has a reason to exist, isn't the same thing as saying that such content that isn't "necessary" CAN'T make such content. And while I do agree that it was a mistep for him to call out a video he didn't fully watch(and spicy does concede this aspect of the argument), it isn't really the focal point of his argument since his initial post is talking about animanga content in general.
The camera bird and carbohydrate 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
She was trolling you and did not expect you to call him out link up with him as well as get a understanding of where he was coming from, he was looking for someone to argue with. Bro I believe that you have learned sage mode LOL
I think arguing over if the video should’ve been made or not due to the relevancy or likelihood of the video’s subject is more relevant the the semantics of the video being made but i do respect bro for being willing to come on stream an actually discuss converse with these ppl who are way bigger then him
Don’t think it was hate from HBS he was saying how some video analysis like Minato being a psychopath is weird which if being honest is a weird video title/subject.
Def not hate. I actually kinda agree with him. pretty stupid/weird video topic
@@nozers if he’s that bad at conveying tone he has no right criticizing any video I’m sorry.
Then he should’ve said that in his post rather than putting Six in his post. He was extremely self righteous and annoying. Six made a video about a thread he saw. Not even arguing whether he is or isn’t. He flat out he said he disagrees with the topic as well.
@@CerotheDemon but disagreeing ain’t hate tho.
@@GamingXCentre Yeah but going to say that he can’t believe these videos get views. You can disagree with someone and not being condescending
“I hate when society changes the definition of a word.” Bro that’s literally how all words work
Yo these boys pulled up on spicy like team 7 and he wasn’t ready 🤣
Seth's hilarious, hotboy or whatever is fucking weird lol
Why is he weird? Genuinely curious. He just seems to want more views and threw a bit of a tantrum over it. He’s not weird tho as far as I can tell. If I thought I put in more effort than most people with little to no recognition I’d be upset too
@@SGalaxyify Yea but being understandably upset and hating on people, specifically for a video you didnt watch all of before criticizing is a bit different, even if you think your content is better you should watch a full vid before dogging on it
@@SGalaxyify throwing a tantrum online over views is weird bro and this is coming from someone with autism I say the weirdest shit sometimes but that shit is weird in a different level fr
@@ScrewTTON yes 100% agree. It’s still not weird tho. Just immature…..bitch made even. Weird just doesn’t make sense to me. I understand his motivation to do what he did. Wouldn’t be my particular way of handling the situation but I understood exactly what he meant. Even in the video of them discussing it Seth was being more weird than he was, though I understand he was doing so ironically.
@@ScrewTTON not to mention he concedes on a LOT in the discussion and probably ends up leaving the conversation a better person, even if only so he doesn’t get that kind of attention again.
Expo was heated he even said n***a 4:06 had me dying
To Seth's example about pedophile. It's a extreme example but the point is still the same. I forget what it's called but people who are attracted to teens between 14 - 16 are defined differently than pedophiles but people often don't know this. The point is its kinda ridiculous to make this to be the main reason you dislike something.
LMAO look at the way naruto point while telling u stop stop meat riding 💀
I have subscribed to them all but I completely get Spicy's point. When it comes to understanding Naruto, the themes and the message it is trying to convey spicy is undoubtedly the best.
His videos are like watching a literary work and you can tell how serious he takes his videos and how much effort he puts in them. No wonder he wants to be a writer.
I think that is why it irritates when he sees 99% of the community give shit or surface level takes and engage in things like powerful scaling which he is not interested in or finds unnecessary.
Bro this man is crazy. No way spicy seen six video on his recommended twice and got angry, I like his energy
Lmaooo
😂😂swag is menace (not in literal terms spicy)
Maybe the hate post from spicy is bad. However, his agruement is true. We dont have to eat any shit that popular youtubers publish.
From my perspective all i heard from spicy was “well people should like and dislike what i like” it came off as like everything he does or says has no fault. Super cringe to listen to.
Why would you ever un ironically call yourself Hotboyspicy?
When creativity lacks. Also bro don’t talk, ur name is sticky doole 💀 (bro don’t comment on my name,I’m in the same boat😭)
Ok sticky doodle
@@feister2869 Well yeah you got me there lol. My profile pic was supposed to be a stick man though. That’s where the name comes from.
I don’t think sages rain would ever bother acknowledging anything he says, six was better for eliciting a response from, he’s a “psycho “
This video in a nutshell: why don’t you like the video?
Because it’s clickbait that you don’t even believe in. The video doesn’t address anything and therefore doesn’t provide anything beneficial to the community.
End
lmao saw this like last week bro fumbled his argument and got forced to agree his post had no reason to be made 😭
bcus he was being pressured by 3 of the biggest naruto ytubers?
I don't know who this guy is but all I know that if you are pulling in Sage Rain out of all people into Drama then you are werid.
not rlly, spicy is very good at analysig naruto as a whole, much better than the other 3
I know he didn't just go on crying about the word psychopath just to drop the R word SO EASILY lol wtf.
😂😂😂men watching this video now is so hilarious seth was really funny regardless of what i know about him now and swag was just swag 😂 i wish we got more of the "The council" but I guess that can't happen anymore cuz seth fucked up
This made me cringe, oh lord
But the ending had a good resolution
Dude was way too fake respectable when he got on call
Idk massive walk back
16:54 the arrogance from this guy is disgusting “not as insightful as me” 🙄