Killing Joke- Darkness Before Dawn REACTION & REVIEW

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  • @zeratul78
    @zeratul78 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's so damn atmospheric, love this entire album

  • @Reani71
    @Reani71 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Man, I love Killing Joke and especially this track, might also be my favorite track by them.
    And yes, they had a lot of changes throughout their years and in retrospect they did industrial metal for the last 30+ years now, much longer than they did any other style (punk, post-punk, new wave, gothic rock).
    You should really dive into their industrial stuff, they're one of the best industrial metal acts around, no joke (pun intended).
    Absolute essential industrial metal songs by KJ: Millenium, Pandemonium, Virus, Asteroid, Blood on your Hands, The Death & Resurrection Show, Another Bloody Election, America, Democracy

  • @peter-utrblk
    @peter-utrblk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Brighter than a thousand suns is also a nice album, similar feeling but their first albums are very nice too. Thx for your great reaction, take care mate.

    • @brumbykj
      @brumbykj 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@peter-utrblk I don't think the words "Nice & "Killing joke " have ever been used in the same sentence before or even context..🤔

  • @lucianoteixeira7993
    @lucianoteixeira7993 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    It's one of the best tracks in the album. If you want to understand why they are considered pioneers of industrial metal, listen to their first albums. Songs like Requiem, Wardance and Follow the Leaders are good examples of this phase, which they would resume in the 1990s.

    • @ecce_neru
      @ecce_neru 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      90s... highly recommend Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions! Start to finish. Helluva release.

    • @peter-utrblk
      @peter-utrblk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and listen to it LOUD

    • @InsideBilderberg
      @InsideBilderberg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ecce_neru It actually might be my favorite album of all times.

    • @Alix777.
      @Alix777. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pioneers of industrial rock were Chrome 10 years before everyone

    • @eidetecker
      @eidetecker 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ecce_neru Yeah, man. They are the godfathers of Industrial ... as Black Sabbath is to Metal, Killing Joke is to Industrial.

  • @colin2utube
    @colin2utube 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thanks for covering this track, you actually were eloquent in your interpretation of the lyrics. I love this album, every single track is exceptional each in unique ways. It must be my lifetime most listened too album, so well worth your time. Lyrically, Darkness Before Dawn is Existential Philosopy in a way I didn't appreciate until later life. Albert Camus famously said "we must imagine Sysphus happy" when analysing the Greek myth of the tragic character condemned to eternal toil, which is how many feel about Life. But the Darkness before Dawn, ie. the time before even the Light at the end of tunnel, is a great symbol of hope when there doesn't appear to be any. Thanks for crystallising this in my mind in a new way despite 40 years of listening to this !

  • @Problembeing
    @Problembeing 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of my favourite KJ songs.

  • @Problembeing
    @Problembeing 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Killing Joke practically invented Industrial Metal. They were the first post-punk band to have remixes on their singles, and used sampling. They are oft cited by bands like Ministry and NIN as the godfathers of that genre. You have to go to their first couple of albums for that. Listen to 'Wardance' for example. If you go to the mid-90s, it becomes quite self-referential with tracks like 'Millennium' and 'Pandemonium', and as you get to their last and greatest album, 'Pylon', they're at their most savage, which is unheard of for bands that have lasted as long as they had.

  • @sonicart1808
    @sonicart1808 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was just listening to this while driving in my car ironically...... Night Time is a great album, I loved your reaction JP thanks.

    • @JustJP
      @JustJP  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The timing🤌

  • @LifelikeFiction
    @LifelikeFiction 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thr Rolling Stone called them once : the favorite band of all favorite bands 🤗😎

  • @bigneon_glitter
    @bigneon_glitter 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Killing Joke were the one band that Punks, Goths, & Metalheads could agree on. Massively influential, particularly on Nirvana. Post-Punk in the 1980s, they went harder & embraced Metal & Industrial elements in the '90s & 2000s - Dave Grohl would drum for their _Hosannas_ album. KJ never stopped releasing albums & touring until a few months ago when guitarist Geordie Walker suddenly passed away. 1985's _Nighttime,_ the 1980 debut, & 1986's _BrighterThan 1000 Suns_ are the best albums.

    • @Markhypnosis1
      @Markhypnosis1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd go as far as to say that Nirvana took the verse riff for Come as You Are from Eighties by KJ. It sounds identical in every way.

  • @Owlstretchingtime78
    @Owlstretchingtime78 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    'Darkness Before Dawn delves into themes of judgement, acceptance, dreams, fear, and self reflection. The lyrics paint a picture of a desolate and wasted landscape, with the lore of elders passing judgement on it. The title 'Darkness Before Dawn' suggests that the lyrics revolve around enduring hardships and challenges, with the hope that a brighter future lies ahead. The mention of forbidden fruits of dreams implies the longing for a better, untouched world and the potential that lies within it. However, these dreams are tainted by broken promises and uncertainty. A contender for best track on the album!

  • @a.k.1740
    @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Justin, Night Time has more of a new wave connotation, with its more accessible, gentle approach and clear vocal parts, whereas their first four albums are more steeped in post-punk and industrial rock, and that's the place to start! It wasn't until their album Pandemonium in '94 that their sound became more industrial metal, and frankly I don't like it that much.
    Try their self-titled debut album from 1980 instead! (not to be confused with their 2003 self-titled album!😉).

    • @samstevenson5328
      @samstevenson5328 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’d argue 1990’s “Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions” first harkened their heavy industrial metal direction

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@samstevenson5328 For me, Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions is clearly a return to post-punk and industrial rock after the new wave interlude of Night Time, Brighter Than a Thousand Suns, Outside the Gate. It's only from Pandemonium onwards that it sounds close to industrial metal.

  • @eidetecker
    @eidetecker 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Listen to their first album and you'll see: Killing Joke are the godfathers of Industrial ... as Black Sabbath is to Metal, Killing Joke is to Industrial. KJ was always experimental, especially in the eighties. This album was a trimming of the fat (so to speak) in their compositional focus, while at the same time experimenting with what could be done around Geordie's central fire. This was their quasi-Goth album. It was a college party album for some of us freaks in 1985.

  • @craigroaring
    @craigroaring 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Check out their song "Fall of Because" if you want a good example of their industrial side.

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yep, "The Fall of Because", "Tension", "Unspeakable","Follow the Leaders" and so on.... from their great second album What's THIS For...! in 1981, which mixed post-punk, industrial and tribal rock. All the tracks are repetitive and hypnotic (much more so than those on their excellent debut album, which was perhaps easier to listen to, but both are equally good).

  • @ijustneedmyself
    @ijustneedmyself 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If you listen to their earlier albums you'll understand how they could go in that direction 🙂

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ...and their earlier albums are much more inspired than this one, in my opinion!😉

    • @ijustneedmyself
      @ijustneedmyself 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@a.k.1740Totally agree! I enjoy this one anyway, but the meat is certainly within the early ones.

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ijustneedmyself Of course it's far from bad, but I remember being disappointed by this softer musical direction at the time (already foreshadowed by the singles "Me or You?" in '83 and "A New Day" in '84). Even live, the difference was already perceptible between the 1983 concerts on the Fire Dances tour and the 1985 concerts on the Night Time tour. I'm more partial to the albums Killing Joke (1980), What's THIS For...! (1981), Revelations (1982) and Fire Dances (1983), as well as Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions (1990).

    • @ijustneedmyself
      @ijustneedmyself 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@a.k.1740 I can definitely understand that. I didn't hear anything from Killing Joke until the early 2000s when there were loads of revival bands. I checked out their influences and it opened up a whole new world to me. I listened to all those KJ albums essentially back to back compared to you and early fans so there wasn't much room for disappointment in their change in sound. Come to think of it, I probably heard this album first and that also makes a difference.

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ijustneedmyself Yes, that makes sense. It all depends on whether you discovered the band when they first started out or much later, and if the latter, you'll obviously be less disappointed in retrospect.
      I'll admit that after Night Time I lost sight of the band a bit and it wasn't until Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions that I got back in touch with Killing Joke for a while. I listened to all their subsequent albums but I have to say that the industrial metal orientation was a bit too much for me, preferring their industrial tribal post-punk sound, even if I admit that Pandemonium is a very good album. The rest seems to me to fall short and to be a bit of a rehash.

  • @emptysquares6863
    @emptysquares6863 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is a great album that I loved back in the day - very consistent throughout and was probably the commercial peak for KJ. Night Time was certainly more melodic than their previous output, as such it was not universally loved by bands following. I think they were ahead of their time and were undoubtedly influential, paving the way for many 90s bands.

  • @Problembeing
    @Problembeing 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you hear Jaz's scream over the ending riff as it plays out? I love that.

  • @rogercageot-prod
    @rogercageot-prod 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    KJ used the same recipe in 2 albums, this one 1985 and the next (Brighter than a thousand suns 1986): heavy bass and drum, flying synth haze, soft Jaz voice, and somewhere near the end, an instrumental part. Well, it sounds cool (and most of the time dark), but still the same.
    After that period, they turned more metal.

  • @SmartCookie2022
    @SmartCookie2022 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Listening to this again immediately transports me back to 1985. That's how solid this album and track is.

  • @TheFilwud
    @TheFilwud 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the Night Time album, Love Like Blood is still a favourite of mine. However, I love their later heavier albums, Pandemonium, the second self titled album, I think my current favourite song and one typical of the newer KJ is Fema Camp, the relentless heavy stomp of the music along with Jazz's bellowing choruses are epic, from the album Mmxii.

  • @Azabaxe80
    @Azabaxe80 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So, full disclosure. My favorite Killing Joke records are _Night Time_ and _Brighter Than a Thousand Suns_ . I understand that's like saying that your favorite Ministry records are _With Sympathy_ and the _Twelve Inch Singles_ compilation (they are). But the Killing Joke I listen to the most is not typical. When we talk about the roots or origins of "industrial music", whatever that is, this band has to be in the conversation.

    • @Owlstretchingtime78
      @Owlstretchingtime78 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Strangely enough they're my favourite killing Joke albums too.

  • @thoru4367
    @thoru4367 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great drumming

  • @samstevenson5328
    @samstevenson5328 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Oh yeah, they first got HEAVY in the 90s and even heavier throughout the 00s and 10s. I’ve always looked at Killing Joke having three distinct eras: their post-punk years (1979-1983), their new wave blend (1984-1988) and their industrial metal era (1990-present). I personally prefer their later work than their earlier, but obviously they’re both great for different reasons.

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You've summed up the different phases of Killing Joke very well, except that Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions is like a return to early post-punk/industrial rock. Their real foray into industrial metal was with Pandemonium, in my opinion, and that's where I like them less! (probably because I'm not into metal).

    • @samstevenson5328
      @samstevenson5328 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@a.k.1740 Thanks, I appreciate it. Their musical evolution is one of the most thrilling band transformations I’ve known. I don’t know, “Extremities” legitimately sounds like a Ministry album. It’s WAY heavier than what they put out in the early 80s imo

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@samstevenson5328 Yes, Extremities sounds heavier than their early albums but not in a metal way as will be the case on Pandemonium and what followed... and in that sense, I really hate their self-titled album from 2003 because the approach is pushed to the limit. We no longer detect any nuance or subtlety.

    • @samstevenson5328
      @samstevenson5328 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@a.k.1740 Really?? Oh wow, I eat up their 1990s, 2000s and 2010s material! But that’s just me

    • @Eduardo-Ferreira1982
      @Eduardo-Ferreira1982 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@samstevenson5328 Even Ministry have their different phases. 😅

  • @bryanforis1839
    @bryanforis1839 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When Robert frip helps on the his label great

  • @SPKdesign1
    @SPKdesign1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Listen to "Change" or Wardance" from way back when they started and you will hear it.

  • @jameswarner5809
    @jameswarner5809 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Late 70s Killing Joke are hard-edged new wave, 80s Killing Joke are what you have listened to and 90s Killing Joke are much heavier. I prefer the 80s incarnation, but there's still good stuff in the other decades.

  • @dillanma
    @dillanma 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Funny how you mention Ministry.K.J. bassist Paul Raven joined Ministry after leaving KJ.

  • @plushy9849
    @plushy9849 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent track, my favourite from this album.

  • @murdockreviews
    @murdockreviews 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Justin: Re the sound of Killing JOke. The album you are currently going through is one of their commercially most appealing, very goth/new wave 80s sounding ones (which I aslso like). The albums before were much more uncompromising, dark post-punk. In the 90s Killing Joke indeed went heavy industrial. 'Pandemonium' and the self-titled 'Killing Joke' from the early 2000s with Dave Grohl on drums (!) are very recommended if you like to hear their heavier style. 'Hosannahs from the Basement of Hell' never was a favourite of mine to be honest.

  • @wfamdaxj
    @wfamdaxj 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This band were just a bit different to other things. Powerful stuff and lots of great tunes. Loving the channel.🎼🎵🎶

  • @peetee303
    @peetee303 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A great album from Killing Joke, one of there more accessible offerings. Seen them live many times, they produce a huge wall of sound, RIP Geordie.

  • @marcellocolosimo21
    @marcellocolosimo21 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great choice...best álbum from KJ for me

  • @ch8989-dk6jd
    @ch8989-dk6jd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pandemonium bro is the best of Killing joke, every song there is total hit.

  • @robnetherton3167
    @robnetherton3167 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great KJ track. One of my favorites. There's much more to explore with Killing Joke. They moved harder over the last 30 years (a form of industrial metal). None of the phases of KJ would be the same without Geordie Walker's guitar work, who sadly passed away two months ago (RIP). The original lineup had gotten back together and recorded three great albums (and some stand alone singles) over the last 14 years. Keep exploring their catalog.

  • @TermiteMound
    @TermiteMound 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The lyrical meter...iambic, alexandrine

  • @-davidolivares
    @-davidolivares 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Decent sounding track, not something I’d hear much but I can see where they’d have some fans. Not bad.

  • @InsideBilderberg
    @InsideBilderberg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent track. Yes, some of their albums fit within the industrial label for sure, but they have always been a band hard to pigeonhole and the discography diverse , "Hosannas from the Basements of Hell" is arguably their heaviest album, very raw and heavy actually and long way from Night Time and their 3 mid/late eighties more synth laden and new wave sounding albums. The first two albums from them (1980 and 1981) influenced some metal and industrial bands of later fame, Faith No More and Nine Inch Nail for example but many more have cited them.

  • @ch8989-dk6jd
    @ch8989-dk6jd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here we have pure dark as Cure or DM.
    Sadness is leadaing - this is how to identify.

  • @princeofcupspoc9073
    @princeofcupspoc9073 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More exploration of the night sky, also called Nut or Nuit.

  • @drg3712
    @drg3712 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this album… but, yeah. You are listening to what some would consider a ‘lower point’ in KJ’s output

  • @manhattenman6075
    @manhattenman6075 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is one of the best songs on the album, and the album is a pretty good listen. But their earlier stuff is so much better. First 3 albums with the original lines up are awesome. They were an industrial and post-Punk band on their earlier stuff, their later stuff has more of an industrial metal and heavy sound.

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I totally agree!

  • @WarrenCromartie2
    @WarrenCromartie2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Killing Joke almost defy categorisation. They played with a punk spirit, but had this disturbing dark intellectual side, which some folks just didn't get. Night Time is probably my favourite KJ album. If you listen to the track Eighties, it's clear Kurt Cobain had been listening to KJ at some point.

  • @Kevvinm
    @Kevvinm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kj has dabbled in a few genres. Early on post punk, this period a bit new wavey. Their self titled 2003 lp with Dave Grohl on drums is a heavy head banging affair as well their last lp Pylon in 2015.

  • @shawn6669
    @shawn6669 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    KJ has been around long enough that they have "era's". Nighttime, Brighter than a Thousand Suns and Outside the Gate are all from their mid 80's highly polished, highly produced radio friendly postpunk era. It's some of their best stuff, but they went back to their more hardcore roots starting with Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions. If you want their more Industrial feeling stuff I'd either go with that or Pandemonium or go back to the stuff before Nighttime like What's This For or Fire Dances. You're lucky that you have their entire discography to work though. Anyway...BEST BAND EVER!!!!!

  • @AriadneJC
    @AriadneJC 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never heard it before and... yeah, I enjoyed that.
    I wouldn't object to hearing more from them if they stick closely to this kind of thing.

  • @iainweller452
    @iainweller452 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Possibly my favourite track from this album, always made it onto a mix tape back in the day, their early stuff is more Industrial Rock check out “The Wait” which Metallica did a great cover of.

  • @ecce_neru
    @ecce_neru 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Changes... try the song Change off of their first album.

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Great track but "Change" was not originally on the debut album. It was a non-album single released several months before their debut. It was only included on CD editions from the early 2000s onwards.

    • @ecce_neru
      @ecce_neru 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @a.k.1740 thank you, in that case listen to Wardance

    • @a.k.1740
      @a.k.1740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ecce_neru Justin can listen to their brilliant debut album Killing Joke, but don't let that stop him from listening to all those early non-album tracks ("Nervous System", "Are you Receiving", "Pssyche", "Change"...), as many of them deserve it too! 😉

  • @brumbykj
    @brumbykj 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Slipstream..👍

  • @mikedown1250
    @mikedown1250 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry! but up until BTATS Joke were gods. Then Jazz started tinkering with math and metal and it went tits up for a few albums that were shite. They have redeemed themselves on later albums when the original lineup got back together with youth on bass and big Paul on drums th-cam.com/video/hT4TZoOVrfg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fifU83-yJgoij9da A lesson . Geordie on guitar

  • @jfergs.3302
    @jfergs.3302 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ok for what it was. Had a bit of an edge, but overlong due it's repetitive nature. I'd have liked it more at around three and a half mins. And just me, or was the vocalist trying out his best Julian Cope impression...