How To Mix ATHENA PRO LINE BLOOM - Mistake MOST Growers Make
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He confused me even more
Hes basically saying that the bags of nutes takes up volume, so instead of using the full 2 gallons you use maybe 1 3/4 gallons so that you dont water it down.
Solid info, I’m about to run these with my two autos. I’m excited to see how they turn out
I have another newer video of me mixing the core. same process but its much shorter and more of a step by step.
dude ur videos are invaluable, thank you for the content
Thank you! If they are helping even 1 person out then they served their purpose. I try to cover things that i wished i could find or that i find interesting.
My hats off to you my friend... You're really doing the most to explain a lot of the trial and error a lot of us had to go through to accomplish all of the same. I will say I think mixing the Cal/Nit "core" at .6g to every 1g of either "grow" or "bloom" is way more simple and less steps than all this stock tank mixing. It seems to just confuse people and I've noticed no difference mixing either way.
I spoke with Brandon and Max from athena over the phone and they had explained why they suggested doing the stock tank mixing but I for the life of me can't recall what it was now haha
@@TriStateTrichomes Yeah I'm sure it's above my head with all their lab testing and what not but I'm all about experimenting.
@@rhai8879 the reason they suggest stock tank is that since it fully dissolves the entire bag all at once you are more likely to get an even distribution of nutrients. as when using small amounts of the dry nutrient you can not always guarantee you are scooping out a balance of all the nutrients. I had to clarify the reasoning with Athena again and that was the response.
Yes, they told me the same thing on the phone about the even distribution of nutrients by putting in a whole bag into a stock tank versus scooping it out
Great work bro wear a mask when mixing salt powders terp gang!
I'll take thay advice for future mixing. Thank you
Biggest issue for us was never could get %100 dilution even w room temp warm water. We used 15 & 30 gallon reservoirs and a power drill w mixer attachment. Still wouldn't mix. Finally set them right next to a radiant heater until water temp reached the 80s then it mixed fine. Nutes wouldn't fully dissolve in temps of 60s and 70s. Had to reach the 80s. In the future location there is no heater so will have to use our aquarium heater to mix. Good product worth the extra hassle 🍻
I'm in the 70s and 80s even with the AC haha. I lucked out on that part
@@PersonalStash420 I want to say warm would be @80° to mix. Ideal water temp for rez depends if you soil or hydro etc. 80 is too warm shoot for 70s in soil or 67 in hydro but every grow is different
This is actually incorrect. You over-thought it. When something is dissolved in water it does not take up space (google it for yourself). When something "dissolves" it is taking up the space BETWEEN water molecules and therefore takes up no extra volume. Think of a cup with golf balls (representing water molecules) then pour some sand in (sand being what's dissolved) the volume inside takes up the same space. Once all those gaps in the molecules are filled, your product will not dissolve further and will sit as a solid.
So doing it the way you're doing, you could actually OVER concentrate the mixture if you don't FULLY dissolve every particle in the first half-point mix. If you thoroughly mix in the first 1gal to where it's fully dissolved, it'll still be exactly 2gallon as the volume will have went back down as it dissolved. So While they recommend this way for cleanliness potentially, the explanation you gave is still misleading.
Thanks for trying to look out. But I did confirm these steps with Athena as the correct mixing instructions through multiple of their advisors.
@@TriStateTrichomes Yes I know they do the same thing in their own mixing videos, but it's just unnecessary. science is science, can't change it. UNLESS the documentation is actually based on say 1.9gallon of mixture instead of a proper 2gal. However I doubt that since on paper when their designers originated the formula, they'd likely be using full values. Just looks like as it got passed down to the hourly employees who make their user-information, they had the same mindset you're explaining and disregarding the science on how dissolving compounds works on a scientific level.
OR sometimes companies recommend filling half water first, that way the dust doesn't settle on top and go everywhere when you mix, but has nothing to do with the volume displacement.
100% wrong. I did both ways side by side and adding 2 pounds of bloom to a gallon container then if you tried to add a gallon of water to that gallon jug with the bloom, the full gallon of water would not fit. Hence these instructions are correct according to Athena
This is what happens when toddlers take adderall.
Gosh Maybe ATHENA will update and add these details to their feed schedule? Thanks
yes a little extra added wording for clarification would be nice. I did also make another video that breaks it down into simple steps just to cut out the extra fluff of me sitting in front of the camera like this one.
Athena stock Tank
It would of been good if you tested PH and EC before and after adding the left over water. Cool video though.
You don't need to ph or ec test the water. Use RO and there are no targets for either once mixed. You worry about that after it's mixed into your batch tank. But I can tell you it would be a very acidic mix. Since it's salt nutrients. Very low ph in that stock tank I'm sure.
@@TriStateTrichomes ok noworries
How long does the liquid stay good for once you mix it up?
Are you using ro water? I was going to use distilled water but haven’t yet. I was also wondering what pH your water is before mixing?
Yes, i am using RO water. I dont believe their would be any issue with distilled either. Might be a question for Athena directly on their Instagram. But there is not a need to PH the stock mix. you only PH the batch mix. you dont want to add anything to your stock mix. leave as is.
so it’s 2/1 per bloom grow and core
so let’s say i have a 25 lb bag and i’m using a 12.5 gallon res
now i have three stock concentrates
what do i do after that with the feeding?
bc it’s like 11ml per gallon
so that’s 11x12.5 of feed from each res for feed?
Once you make your stovk mix, as I have shown in this video. Then you can use that stock concentrate to make your batch mix that will be used to feed the plants. Their chart will show how many ML per gallon of each is needed to hit your desired EC. Most likely you are wanting the 3EC amounts.
Stock can keep how many month ? They have exp?
ive asked and they told me 6 months to a year they have personally seen it last without any issues. I myself have stored stock for 6 months without issue. most i mix is used in a couple months though
do you need to airate the mix after completion?
no sir. I would however recommend agitating a couple minutes before using the stock tank when mixing 2lb per gallon as it may settle while sitting.
Nice Info, but if just pull from stock tanks even if it’s diluted , make sure ur doing 40/60 and u will still hit ur EC just have to pull a lil more. Example 3EC - 40% core 1.2 then add grow/bloom till u hit 3EC
Then you have to trial and error your way to finding the correct dosages for each. Much more preferable to have your stock tanks mixed correctly and then you can use the provided chart. This saves a bunch of time and possible waste from continuous incorrect mixing. you can add too much and then you have to add more water and every container has its limits so this can only be repeated a finite amount of times. Just seems like more headache than its worth.
@@TriStateTrichomes I see what ur saying but 1.2EC is 1.2 really easy to hit just use EC meter. When making 40 gallons of bloom take about 10 mins and topping off rez super simple using 40/60 not ML chart.
@@TriStateTrichomes not saying ur wrong and I’m right just found it easier to hit exact EC ratio. Stock tanks will evaporate water and get concentrated and then ML chart will be useless
@@TriStateTrichomes hold on I think we are both confused lol I’m talking about making reservoir not making stock tank. Ur video on making stock tank is spot on. I’m talking about using ML Chart for making reservoir.
@@NoVa-ti9rt I assumed you meant the ml chart shown in the video, which is the one you would use when batch mixing from a stock tank. or in my case a stock bucket. If mixing the dry nutrient straight into a batch, that is grams per gallon i believe and i would recommend stock mixing to ensure a balanced nutrient mix. Also i would add that any nutrient mix, stock tank, batch tank or anything else, should not be left uncovered to evaporate and that would also allow for debri, pests or anything else to get into your mix. Not sure if that covers both sides of things. It does seem we are both on a different page a bit.
less water makes it stronger not weaker
what ever happened with the wollastonite experiment?
still underway. So far no noted differences. Which is a good thing.
So with the 2 gallons of mix do you dilute it into more water? I don't get it.
Yes thats correct! This is a stock tank mix. this will then be used to add into your batch tank mix.
at around 00:56, of the video there is a chart for how you would add this stock mix into your batch mix for different target EC's
I recommend doing a 40% Core 60% Bloom/Grow for the EC Target and not use ML chart.
Because it doesn’t make sense that you mix 2 lbs to a gallon but 4 lbs to less than 2 gallons. I don’t think he knows what he’s doing.
I dont understand, 2lbs per two gallons? Isn't that too much nutrients that can only feed to 3-4 gallon pots? Can someone explain?
2 pounds per gallon. i mixed two 4lb bags into a total of 2 gallons of water. i made another mixing video that may help out.
I would have messed it up if it weren’t for this video
Can they be combined or each 1 mixed and feed separately
Are you asking about the multiple bags like I show in the video?
Yes....like can you mix core with bloom together in 1 bucket and feed it to your plants ... or core by itself and bloom by itself.
@@blackkingz1461 I did multiple bags of bloom. I did not mix them. You would be unable to follow the ratio guidelines outlined by Athena if you mixed each bag in the same concentrate. You would end up with a 50/50 ratio. Which is not how the schedule is designed.
i'm confused how many gallons will that concentration youv'e just mixed😮make? Everyone i watch is pouring 2lbs of nutrients for 2 gallons of water and thats it. So you add how many gallons to this concentration to get 3.0 EC??
its 2 lbs plus 1 gallon of water that give you your stock tank concentrate then you use their chart accordingly to mix more water with the stock concentrate to get the desired ec it dont have to be as difficult as this dudes making it
Just say put your nutrient in first. Not rocket science
The point is to have it dissolved before topping off to the fill line to have the most accurate measurement. You could do it as you have mentioned but any air trapped in the nutrients that will later be released and when dissolved could throw off your stock slightly or leave you adding more later anyhow. It may only be a slight difference but little changes to the stock concentrate matters more than you think and has larger impacts as you scale up this process for larger stock tanks.
1 trillion ppm/EC
High EC
Switch to Masterblend.
Simple , cost effective complete line.
Athena is ripping people off by combing their micronutrients in their calnit.
Jacks 321 , Masterblend, Athena it’s all the same big AG Hydroponic formula.
Don’t overpay for hype and trendy stuff..
I actually started using them from a friend that works at Stiiizy and he loved the stuff. I never even heard of it before then and liked the results. I plan to run Floraflex line at some point as well. Im not married to one brand. But i dont have anything bad to say about them. I think its a well designed line but could use a few improvements like any other line.
Wait Im still confused. So I mixed 1 2lb bag with 1 Gal of Water, after its mixed well do I add an additional 1 Gallon to it to make 2 gallons?
I have another video that breaks this same process down into steps. look that one up and i think it will help it make more sense
its 2 lbs plus 1 gallon of water that give you your stock tank concentrate then you use their chart accordingly to mix more water with the stock concentrate to get the desired ec it dont have to be as difficult as this dudes making it . basically your making up nutes to use like youd buy at the store its just cheaper this way because you dont have to have huge jugs or barrels sitting around and costs more to ship liquid nutes just cheaper this way to ship dry nutes and mix it yourself .
If 4.5kgs of core dry makes 18.75 liters. Should I use 18.75 liters of water then add the dry core ?
To much crap for use of Athena,I mix using ppm,for ease of use people should be able to just add concentrate to rez to bring up to disired strength.
you can do it this way as well. But all dry nutrients run more consistent if a stock tank is made first. you avoid running the risk of scooping out more of one nutrient over the other due to clumping or any other factor.
@@TriStateTrichomes I use a gallon of stock,I should of been more clear,I buy 25lb bags,nearly impossible to keep from sucking water in so what im getting at is their mixing chart just dont work for some of us,I figured out the ppm mix rate,ive been using Athena bout 3 yrs and loving it🔥💨💨💨👍✌
Oh man just use an EC meter.
The instructions say to add a gallon of water per 2lb bag, not that it makes a gallon, I think you’re mixing it wrong.
Shots not rocket science.. jesus christ!
Still confused asf
I have another I made broken into steps. I think I titled it 5 steps for mixing. Hopefully that one helps break it into segments more.
This stuff is expensive. No thanks
They said on a podcast its .18 cents a mixed gallon and other nutes can be $2.00 a mixed gal. Definatley not .18 cents a gallon. I've heard of people stop using it just because of the price doesn't reflect any better results than basic Nutrition. NPK is NPK. Plants don't care who's name is on it. I've seen cups won with Jack's 321 and GH all the time. It's the grower not the nutrition that shines in my opinion.
Im not sure what size purchase they are using to determine the $0.18/gal. I would assume the large commercial size purchase. But doing some math we can see what our price may be. I buy the 10lb boxes for just under $80 but lets round to $80. 10lb = 4535.92grams. thats 0.0176 Cents per gram at that price. We use approx 11.5grams per gallon. so thats $0.2028 or 20Cents per gallon rounding off in order to achieve a 3EC mixture. So they are pretty close.
@Tri-State Trichomes Thanks for the breakdown. I would be willing to try a run from start to finish with Athena Pro. 4 plants in a 5x5 would be my test bed. I have my system pretty dialed in and it's very hard for me to switch from what has won me competitions. I did all this research years ago to Land on what I'm doing now. I spend about $600 for nutrients that last me about 3 -4 years worth of perpetual growing 4 plants every 3 months. If they would supply with some samples to get through a run, I'd try it. Green planet sent me a starter pack for free to try and followed up with me to see how it works. I won my first competition with that pack. It's more about grower knowledge than nutrients with me but something in Green Planet is giving me an edge. I did get some Fade to try. I like Calcium in week 7,8 and 9. No Mag tho. Thats the trick for me.
@Jason Johnson I would shoot them a message on their Instagram, where they are generally really good at responding. You can mention me if you would like and that you would like to see if you could get a sample kit to test run before making a big switch (basically explain your situation). My Instagram handle is basically thr same as my TH-cam channel @Tri_State_Trichomes. I've had a few people reach out that were able to relieve sample packs to start and the majority of them made the switch. Mostly the soil growers are the ones who did not become Athena fans. But that makes sense since Athena is more designed for a hydro/coco/rockwool style of growing.
You use 1 bag per 1 gallon not the displacement difference you mixed this wrong
You just put me off the product
Sorry to hear that. This video wasn't as to the point as I would like. So I have another mixing video uploading as we speak. broke it down into 5 steps and kept it under 5 minutes. Hopefully you find it more informative. If you have any suggestions please leave them. It helps me going forward.
New mixing video up. might put things in a more simpler and more positive light, If not, well i tried and i hope you find some good nutrients. I see floraflex and jacks 123 getting great results.
@@PersonalStash420 so many have requested me to run jacks that a side by side is needed at some point in the future
If I'm running 500 gallon tanks does that mean I need 500 bags?
On that scale I'm pretty sure they have commercial sized bags. I think 25lb bags.
@@TriStateTrichomes awesome thank you!!
no. This is to premix a 2 gallon "concentrated nutrient" mix. This is not the same as 2gallon feed-water. at the most nutrient rich phase you'd be using around 11.5grams per gallon. 1lb bag = 453gr so each 1lb worth of nutes would mix into 40 gallons. so for 500gal you'd only need 13 bags worth, not 500.