The Key reason why you need more than 8gb is because AAA games are being done by lazy devs that use bloated libraries instead of rolling their own. Most AAA games run like crap and are crappy in general anyhow so my wallet will stay closed for those titles . When you have games from 2014 that look better than "Modern" games, there's 99.999% of the other games out there that will run fine on 8GB cards.
Games have always needed more VRAM. I remember when people said 128MB was enough and 256MB was pointless. Games are released in a bad state these days and we have diminishing returns when it comes to graphics but it’s just simple facts that higher resolution textures use more VRAM and Raytracing as well. That isn’t about optimisation. We have had 8GB since the 1070 back in 2016. It’s crazy that 9 years on we still get 8GB on cards much more powerful. Not sure why people feel the need to defend Nvidia for skimping on VRAM when AMD and Intel shows you can get more VRAM for less money.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 it's also weird that people treat 8gb like some holy limit that CANNOT be exceeded. most games now, even well optimized ones, need more than 8gb of VRAM just like most games nowadays need more than 16gb of RAM. games just got bigger and need better hardware to run.
You can make your own AAA games that run on 8gb, play old games or buy card with more than 8gb. Complaining about lack of optimization is not going to fix things.
Yes 3060 is good i own 12gig 3060 i domt plan to replace it at least for 1 to 2 years (its maybe bottelnecked by my i7 9700kf but atleast i got a z390 mobo and 32 gigs of 3200mhz ram ddr4) and fast gen 3 ssd boot drive 970 evo plus 1tb (bought in 2022 decemver still usimg it at the time it cost me more than 120euros)
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3060 12gb is garbage never uses over 8gb of vram, its the bus its trash its to narrow.
6-8 GB cards are def fine for budget entry builds with 1080P medium-high settings in mind, as you would still be looking at being able to play over 95 percent of what comes out on PC along with the massive back catalog of thousands of titles. But yeah going forward, and really been this way for a couple years now, no one should be spending more than $200 on any 8 GB card. I don't care of its a RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080, or RTX 3070 even. Just don't spend over $200 on any of them. The vram amount needed isn't there to see those gpus full potential anymore on many new titles.
You are incredibly naive if you believe that cards like RX6650XT or RTX4060 can't do better than 1080 Medium - High in newest titles. The problem is that tech influencers just LOVE to show worst examples. Big AAA titles are few. Amount of games that come each year is FAR more numerous than just a few AAA titles that people like to talk about.
@@GameslordXY Proof is already there that said cards struggle when they hit their vram limit due to RT and texture size eating up vram. Said proof has not just been provided by "tech influences" but normal every day gamers posting on Steam reviews, here, Reddit, Guru3d and other website forums, etc. If you are lucky, the game will have been patched to compensate for this and just display muddy textures while assets load in, or suffer traversal stutters as new scenery loads in. But often running out of vram equals a crash. Been proven in multiple titles now, and this has been going on the past couple of years. Company of Heroes 3, The Last of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Jedi Survivor, the newer Resident Evil titles, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, Space Marine 2 (with 4k texture pack), and Dragon Age: The Veilguard are just a small sample of titles that need ample vram to run at higher/max settings. But I mean, please feel free to keep playing indie titles and C/D tier releases maxed out with overpriced 8gb video cards, and having to settle for lower settings when you decide you want to play an A tier title, when you could just as easily buy an RTX 3060 12GB in the same price bracket so you'd have more vram available for higher quality textures. No one ever said you couldn't. It's your money, do with it as you please.
running on my 4GB of Vram... the experience is basically: "as long as its not AAA I can run it at 60+ fps" only exceptions are everything from fromsoftware and games well made like GTA 5 and Red dead redemption, those run at 60 minimum.
My old 980 was that, the processing could handle most new titles, but the 4gb vram was exceeded easy, titles released in the 30xx were just hitting 6gb use at most.
@@ProYamYamPC Playing at 4k I upgraded from my 3080 2 years ago now, too many games started to have issues. The fact that I also have a secondary monitor that also needs some VRAM (usually 0,5-1GB) didn't help.
@@MrMeanh Just as planned by Nvidia. The 3080 was criminally starved of VRAM from the get go, thus forcing high end users to upgrade much faster than they otherwise would need to.
I feel like 10 should be the absolute minimum. So many games I've seen use over 8 gigs but less than 12, so I feel like 10 would be a good sweet spot. Especially with recent games at 1080p
@@blackstar-genX Yeah it's sad that the games are that unoptimized that 8 GB isn't enough and probably even 10 GB. Added the fact that Nvidia and AMD to some extent is still giving us 8 GB VRAM GPUs in the Sub $300 range is insane
Glad Intel's Arc B580 existed with 12gb vram so they can finally put pressure into the pc gaming industry against Nvidia and AMD (at least in their GPU side)
The 6750 XT has been available for as low as 260 USD over the past few months and has 12GB of vram. The RX 7800 XT has 16GB and has been available for as low as 370 USD over the past few months. The 7600 XT has 16GB and has been available for as low as around 280. AMD has been providing plenty of vram at competitive prices for a long time.
@ yea but I want to stick to the bios it has right now. I got the reference blower cooler so I would rather repaste it before doing anything else to it
20+ is high end? Are you suggesting RTX Titan(24GB RTX2000 series) and 7900XT will out perform 5080? They will break before 20GB becomes an advantage lol . I mean I suppose 7900XT might be considered High End for the time being, but it won't be able to outmatch 5080 except maybe in AMD sponsored titles. Sure it's probably much better value for money,but performancewise even in VRAM very heavy scenarios it is highly unlikely it shall be able to beat 5080.
@@GameslordXY They will not outperform a 5080 (well maybe at one point where 5080 performance crashes when vram usage goes over 16gb 7900xt will outperform it) but you're missing the entire point and proving it further, a GPU that has a power of a 5080 should've had 24 gb of vram but instead it's artificially crippled to force you into planned obsolescence, while for example 7900xt has an adequate amount of vram for it's performance
Sadly even having 16gb highend GPU and highend CPU won't cut it if games released in the last 5 years are so poorly optimized if not outright broken. 8GB is not enough for newer games that are actually demanding and warrents it not simply from bad programmed coding in the game engines.
The 40xx era cards should have never had 8gb with the titles that were already out. The 50xx still having 8gb, that is just abuse pushing people into FAR more expensive cards in which the FTC should be jumping to put a stop to a profiteering scheme.
This is ridiculous, games doesn't look so much better than what we used to play four or five years ago, and those games did perfectly fine with 8Gb of Vram.
People go VRAM isn't everything when defending the 4060 (yes there exist people who defend it) It is when it hits that limit, When a card is phyiscally slow your fps just gets lowered but when your VRAM is the lmiting factor suddenly your entire game can't run without stuttering.
@@arenzricodexd4409 Because textures that don't have vaseline smeared all over them look nice, that's why. This is a $300 card that's already struggling to run games at high settings, and we're still in the same generation it released in. There's no excuses you can make for it that'll make it less shit.
@@realyrit then buy cards with more VRAM if you're so obssesed using 4k texture on 1080p res. Funny thing is people said they don't need RT because they are not seeing the difference when they actually play the game. But some how the opposite applied when it comes to texture. When it comes to texture most often the quality is already very good starting from medium. But people were so obsessed on ultra texture even if they can't find the difference between medium and ultra on side by side picture unless they have 400% zoom.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I couldn't care less about ultra textures at 1080p, but I can tell the difference between high and medium textures in most games pretty easily. It's a matter of opinion, it's up to the player to decide what looks good. You're also saying to buy a card with more VRAM, but the 4060 we're talking about is already $300. The RX 7600 XT, which performs at the same level the 4060 does, has 16GB of VRAM and costs the same price on Amazon right now! There's absolutely no reason why the 4060 shouldn't have at least 10 or 12GB of VRAM, aside from planned obsolescence to force midrange customers into buying the next generation or making sacrifices in the settings menu. I'd also like to say, the 1060 did 1080p60 at all high settings just fine when that was in its prime, without AI trickery. Why aren't we holding the 4060 to the same standard? As I said, no amount of excuses will make the 4060 not underwhelming. It's honestly just a 4050 with bad value.
@@realyrit So just because a texture isn't at absolute highest means its vaše line smeared all over? Wonderful reasoning. In modern games, even Medium textures often look quite good.
I wonder why we don't see higher capacity GPUs using cheaper DDR5 (not GDDR5 to GDDR7). Apparently we can get decent performance on an APU these days using system memory, even when sharing that bandwidth with the CPU, so why not go back to making "budget" style cards using standard (but speedy) RAM? I think the last card that used standard RAM was an Nvidia card using DDR4, which was crap tbh, but it doesn't have to be like that. It shouldn't be particularly expensive to slap a large amount of DDR5 and have it be usable on a graphics card, say 12GB to 36GB?
DDR and GDDR are way different. Look up the old gpu's that had DDR and a GDDR version and you will see the big issue. Talk about slowing down gpus big time.
They were build for different purpose. DDR were build for less latency but the speed just good enough for CPU. they are not build for gpu that require massive bandwidth compared to CPU. GDDR have much higher latency but the quad pump thing provide a lot of bandwidth for gpu.
@@horodoomwolf Same shit, you're not gonna get any difference in performance cause they patched the issues 11 had, just turn off startup apps, optimize your system and you're good to go.
Your Windows won't just shut down when MS ends its support. It will keep working just fine, it just won't get any more updates. Also, if enough of us stay with it, MS will do what it did with Win7 and just extend its support. Also, Win11 has a lot of problems - just last month, it's latest update pretty much bricked games like AC Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla, and it hasn't been fixed yet.
@@ProYamYamPC The worst part is that people actually defend these DOA GPU's! Because of that, Nvidia is perfectly comfortable giving us another generation of cards that don't have as much VRAM as they should.
ive been rocking an 8gb card for 2 years. Literally the only issue ive ran into is not being able to use super realistic texture packs on minecraft. MINECRAFT 😐 8gb is fine, god yall are dramatic. I understand the new gen cards should have more, but it's not nearly as big of an issue as yall are hyping it up to be.
I have a 3070 8gb card. I have no issues playing anything. there are like2-3 games that are known to run like crap even on a 4090 that use too much, and you just adjust 1 thing. Not a big deal. Before I got the card, I wondered if it was as bad as people say. turns out? no, it's not lol. I've played over 50 games and not a single issue. I wouldn't spend $400 tho for 8gb. I spent 270.
Recently upgraded from a 3070 to a 4070 Ti Super mainly for 8GB more of VRAM. I mainly play in 1440p and plan to play a lot more Capcom games with MH Wilds coming out soon, but ran into issues with RE4 remake being unstable at 1440p with just 8GB of VRAM(you can see a direct performance comparison with that one original video where people mod a 3070 to have 16GB and the 1 and .1% raised significantly) and realized I had the same issues with other RE engine titles
People play the gamr with max setting. Just adjust some setting like texture. My 3060Ti play RE4 remake just fine at 1440p which surprise myself as well.
The main issue here is pricing. If companies priced their 8GB GPUs at the price of an Intel Arc A380 (usually between 110 and 120 USD), it wouldn't be a problem, but then you see them priced at a minimum of 300 USD. At that point, you're already overpaying for the GPU. I wish we could go back in time when a GPU didn't cost as much as the rest of your PC (if you're going for a budget build)
8GB is plenty for most gamers. The only people who need more are people playing AAA games at 4K with everything maxed and stuff like ray/path tracing enabled. Don't get what all the crying is about.
I have an omen 15 with an 8gb 3070max-q 100w, and it's great if you take advantage of dsr and dlss. I run fortnite at high settings 1440p dsr with dlss performance and it looks more sharp than 1080p while averaging 100-110fps
I think that 8gb are plenty if you're playing older games. In newer games you can always turn down some things like textures. But its not a good idea to buy it new for like 300 bucks tbh.
That used to be true. 😂 But it's starting to affect games now. Soo much that the new supposedly dlss has some new trick to basically upscale textures to reduce vram usage 😂. The burly grainne ghosting mess of upscaling will now also be on textures instead of just your screen resolution.
8gb gpus still hold as long as you don't care about newer gen games. 8 GB of VRAM may not be enough for modern gaming, video editing, or deep learning because of the evolving demands of these activities: Gaming Modern games are more graphically demanding than ever before, and 8 GB of VRAM may not be enough to run them smoothly. Some say that 12 GB is the bare minimum, and 16 GB is ideal. Video editing 8 GB of VRAM may be enough for editing projects smaller than 1080p, but 4K editing is nearly impossible. Deep learning 6 GB to 8 GB of VRAM is recommended for medium-sized models and datasets, while 10 GB to 24 GB is ideal for large models and extensive datasets. However, 8 GB of VRAM may be enough for indie, eSports, and older games, as long as the GPU has enough raw gaming performance.
If 8GB is not enough to olay the newest games, maybe i should just address my backlog of 100s of games and not play any of the new ones until developers learn how to optimize.
@@jandraelune1 This might be your problem if you are still stuck using cards like the GTX 1060, but its not mine. My main pc has a RX 7900 XT in it. Even my secondary has a RX 6750 XT. My problem with new games tends to be just that they get released broken at launch and don't run at all/constant crashing. The Last of Us, Stalker 2, Space Marine 2, and more were plagued with this problem over the past few years. Some solid day 1 titles though that deserve some praise for not being broken on launch were Robocop, Company of Heroes 3, Dragon Age: The Veilguard, and the remake of Riven using UE5.
The narrator is making a good point. Modern AAA titles are requiring more and more ram. I would like to support Intel with a purchase of a B580. Luckily, it does have 12Gb of ram. So that serves it very well within its target of 1440p. It should also work well at 1080, some say it doesn't get frames as high as some other cards, but it would be fine for my build plan. However, those new cards do have DDR7, the newest memory standard always comes at a premium cost. It would be nice if you could get that card for 200 or less, but I highly doubt that. Also, the other specs of that card were actually really good. I concur that when you run out of memory, the card will slow, but speed does matter. So buyers of those cards will just have to watch the game requirements. If it says you need more than you have and you run it anyway, don't expect high frames.
We dont know how nvidia classified their product. I think the product should be in 1080p segment it u want to play higher res with all setting ultra high better purchase midrange one. Simple
I agree that 8gb GPUs are hitting the limit, but why would you use 1440p on a 8gb entry level gpu , pretty sure they're targeted for 1080p. That is a poor example.
*Honestly i am going to safe up and get a used RTX 4090 soon or if the intel 24gig cards cheaper then a RX7900 XTX well then i have the card for my secondary system*
i mean, i have a dell 8gb 3060ti... its absolutely enough, i can play most games at 1440p with reasonable framerates, usually 100+. tbf, i dont play the newest most demanding games, but hell let loose runs just at 140+ fps on my 144hz monitor on very high settings. but yeah, i wouldnt but a 8gb card today.
Before I even watch the video, for a budget GPU I'd say 8 is fine, 4060-5060 are not budget GPUs. 8gb should not be an option for them, they should have 12 at minimum instead of having 8gb cards with 16gb versions that cost a ton more. But it is pointless, they are gonna make the 5060 8gb with a huge price tag and people will buy that garbage anyway.
Rip 8GB cards for mid tier gaming moving forward in 2025 onwards It's like "2016- super soldier Captain America" "8GB"🔥🔥🔥 And in "2024 - Steve Roger with no super soldier serum" "8GB" ☠️☠️☠️
New games are going to demand more and more, especially The games that are using DX12 Ultimate. like Indiana Jones. game where you can't turn off Ray tracing.
@@KamWysz Even if it's 4070 performance it'll still be a 1080p card in modern gaming because of the gimped 8GB framebuffer. Nvidia's gotta make the other artificially gimped cards in their lineup look appealing somehow. God this generation is gonna suck for anyone who doesn't have deep pockets.
It's not a big deal. Out of the top 100 games on steam, only 2 might bother 8gb of VRAM. Nvidia knows their target audience. The people playing AAA games will just have to get the 5060 ti, or something else. And likely, they'll probably get the 5060 ti.
@@realyrit I doubt they'll stray away from $300. It'll be up to the internet to scream OMG 8gb for $300 and that'll be bad PR, but it will probably still be the best seller on amazon.
well I understand the problem but we need also address the elephant in the room, which how Developer these days try to impress us with their graphic yet its not well optimize resulting their game eat so many resource in our PC (some game even want more than 100gb), plus there Win11 bloatware, yes I know we can just go to linux or tweak Win11 background process running but we cannot ignore it either specially with people who not really tech savvy heck even tech savvy most of time choose safe option.
Yes 8gb is not enough, But money is only enough for 8gb card. Sadly new games is not that exciting for me to spend more. Buy what you can affford is what i can reccomend to everyone. 😊
Intel is a terrible example to use. while the b580 is a good card intel looses money on each one. a company cannot be putting out a card like that. they won’t exist
Rx 6600 8gb is not enough for indiana Jones even at 1080p gaming. Must have afmf 2 and fsr 3.1 to get better fps otherwise it's not even getting 60 fps at medlem
Given how many people enjoy the games on 8GB cards and below , statements that 8GB is not enough in 2025 are above and beyond stupid. Enthusiasts and would-be enthusiast are claiming that for years, yet milions enjoy and are continuing to enjoy games,including newest ones on 8GB and below cards and will continue to do so for years to come. 8GB cards won't magically stop working in 2025. Or 2026 for that matter. Probably not even 2027. 4GB cards might by 2027. Late 2027. 6? Well RTX2060 is protected via DLSS,so will probably be fine or relatively fine for a few more years. I suppose 4GB cards might become defacto defunct in couple of years. But 8GB? No.
monopoly of amd and nvidia must be stoppeddddd, we need minimumm 12 gb vram under 250 bucks OR IN Budget segment, 8 gb is not enough in 2025, i knw nvidia is the best in sw and other things, amd is far behind than nvidia, intel should invest more in budget segment gpus in upcoming time, thanks brother Lots OF LOVE from INDIA
I got a 3060 12gb sure its notting special but at least it has 12gigs of vram Its wierd that 4060 has 8 gigs of vram (yes i coyld have bought 4060 but didnt )
The Key reason why you need more than 8gb is because AAA games are being done by lazy devs that use bloated libraries instead of rolling their own. Most AAA games run like crap and are crappy in general anyhow so my wallet will stay closed for those titles . When you have games from 2014 that look better than "Modern" games, there's 99.999% of the other games out there that will run fine on 8GB cards.
Bingo. Doom Eternal looks amazing and is optimized to run on even 4GB graphics cards.
Games have always needed more VRAM. I remember when people said 128MB was enough and 256MB was pointless. Games are released in a bad state these days and we have diminishing returns when it comes to graphics but it’s just simple facts that higher resolution textures use more VRAM and Raytracing as well. That isn’t about optimisation. We have had 8GB since the 1070 back in 2016. It’s crazy that 9 years on we still get 8GB on cards much more powerful. Not sure why people feel the need to defend Nvidia for skimping on VRAM when AMD and Intel shows you can get more VRAM for less money.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 it's also weird that people treat 8gb like some holy limit that CANNOT be exceeded. most games now, even well optimized ones, need more than 8gb of VRAM just like most games nowadays need more than 16gb of RAM. games just got bigger and need better hardware to run.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 Not defending them I agree in principal.
You can make your own AAA games that run on 8gb, play old games or buy card with more than 8gb. Complaining about lack of optimization is not going to fix things.
Crazy how 3060 aged better than 3070ti
Yes 3060 is good i own 12gig 3060 i domt plan to replace it at least for 1 to 2 years (its maybe bottelnecked by my i7 9700kf but atleast i got a z390 mobo and 32 gigs of 3200mhz ram ddr4) and fast gen 3 ssd boot drive 970 evo plus 1tb (bought in 2022 decemver still usimg it at the time it cost me more than 120euros)
3060 12gb is garbage never uses over 8gb of vram, its the bus its trash its to narrow.
Okay maybe but i was on gtx 1060 6gb before that so 3060 is upgrade regardless (at lwast forme)
It uses more than 8 in many situations blud.
even 4070 has 192 yet it's able to use about 11gb
6-8 GB cards are def fine for budget entry builds with 1080P medium-high settings in mind, as you would still be looking at being able to play over 95 percent of what comes out on PC along with the massive back catalog of thousands of titles. But yeah going forward, and really been this way for a couple years now, no one should be spending more than $200 on any 8 GB card. I don't care of its a RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080, or RTX 3070 even. Just don't spend over $200 on any of them. The vram amount needed isn't there to see those gpus full potential anymore on many new titles.
You are incredibly naive if you believe that cards like RX6650XT or RTX4060 can't do better than 1080 Medium - High in newest titles.
The problem is that tech influencers just LOVE to show worst examples.
Big AAA titles are few.
Amount of games that come each year is FAR more numerous than just a few AAA titles that people like to talk about.
@@GameslordXY Proof is already there that said cards struggle when they hit their vram limit due to RT and texture size eating up vram. Said proof has not just been provided by "tech influences" but normal every day gamers posting on Steam reviews, here, Reddit, Guru3d and other website forums, etc. If you are lucky, the game will have been patched to compensate for this and just display muddy textures while assets load in, or suffer traversal stutters as new scenery loads in.
But often running out of vram equals a crash. Been proven in multiple titles now, and this has been going on the past couple of years. Company of Heroes 3, The Last of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Jedi Survivor, the newer Resident Evil titles, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, Space Marine 2 (with 4k texture pack), and Dragon Age: The Veilguard are just a small sample of titles that need ample vram to run at higher/max settings.
But I mean, please feel free to keep playing indie titles and C/D tier releases maxed out with overpriced 8gb video cards, and having to settle for lower settings when you decide you want to play an A tier title, when you could just as easily buy an RTX 3060 12GB in the same price bracket so you'd have more vram available for higher quality textures. No one ever said you couldn't. It's your money, do with it as you please.
running on my 4GB of Vram...
the experience is basically: "as long as its not AAA I can run it at 60+ fps"
only exceptions are everything from fromsoftware and games well made like GTA 5 and Red dead redemption, those run at 60 minimum.
Same, me gtx 1650..
Stalker 2 worked on 4, so Its still kicking kinda :D
I had to throw out my old 3070ti becasue of the vram limitations, fps performance was good but when I hit around 7gb of usage the fps just plummeted.
My old 980 was that, the processing could handle most new titles, but the 4gb vram was exceeded easy, titles released in the 30xx were just hitting 6gb use at most.
My 3080 is getting there now at native 1440p😅
@@ProYamYamPC Playing at 4k I upgraded from my 3080 2 years ago now, too many games started to have issues. The fact that I also have a secondary monitor that also needs some VRAM (usually 0,5-1GB) didn't help.
Just sold mine aswell, tomorrow will decide what I get next
@@MrMeanh Just as planned by Nvidia. The 3080 was criminally starved of VRAM from the get go, thus forcing high end users to upgrade much faster than they otherwise would need to.
I remember when 8GB GPU's came out and I was like "How in the hell am I going to use all this VRAM?" Now it's barely adequate.
I feel like 10 should be the absolute minimum. So many games I've seen use over 8 gigs but less than 12, so I feel like 10 would be a good sweet spot. Especially with recent games at 1080p
I think 12 should be the new standard. Because some of these devs and game engines ain't optimizing for shit
@@blackstar-genX Yeah it's sad that the games are that unoptimized that 8 GB isn't enough and probably even 10 GB. Added the fact that Nvidia and AMD to some extent is still giving us 8 GB VRAM GPUs in the Sub $300 range is insane
I agree, 12GB is the ideal minimum imo
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And in 6-12 months you would start complaining 10 isn't enough.
Glad Intel's Arc B580 existed with 12gb vram so they can finally put pressure into the pc gaming industry against Nvidia and AMD (at least in their GPU side)
The 6750 XT has been available for as low as 260 USD over the past few months and has 12GB of vram. The RX 7800 XT has 16GB and has been available for as low as 370 USD over the past few months. The 7600 XT has 16GB and has been available for as low as around 280.
AMD has been providing plenty of vram at competitive prices for a long time.
I just got myself a RX 5700 to try out AMD and its sad 8gb cards are going to struggle. The RX 5700 is still a very good card
It is! You can also flash it to XT. There is alot of videos how.
@ yea but I want to stick to the bios it has right now. I got the reference blower cooler so I would rather repaste it before doing anything else to it
I have an RX 6600 8GB and it's quite a banger. The newer games that require more than 8GB don't impress me enough to justify buying them.
@ i agree
@@daddybotzwait what lol? I just built a pc with an rx5700, gonna have to look into this
this is why i definitely don't regret getting the 6800xt over the 3080 10gb, i regularly see 12-14 gb of vram allocation at 1440p ultra
Lived with 4GB cards for most of my time and only moving to a larger VRAM GPU because I had a great deal. Devs should optimize their games better
12GB is the minimum for any new GPU, 16 is midrange and 20+ is high-end
20+ is high end?
Are you suggesting RTX Titan(24GB RTX2000 series) and 7900XT will out perform 5080?
They will break before 20GB becomes an advantage lol .
I mean I suppose 7900XT might be considered High End for the time being, but it won't be able to outmatch 5080 except maybe in AMD sponsored titles.
Sure it's probably much better value for money,but performancewise even in VRAM very heavy scenarios it is highly unlikely it shall be able to beat 5080.
8 is fine, just not at the price point that Nvidia sets.
@@GameslordXY They will not outperform a 5080 (well maybe at one point where 5080 performance crashes when vram usage goes over 16gb 7900xt will outperform it) but you're missing the entire point and proving it further, a GPU that has a power of a 5080 should've had 24 gb of vram but instead it's artificially crippled to force you into planned obsolescence, while for example 7900xt has an adequate amount of vram for it's performance
I have a 2080 super and it works just fine with 8 gbs
Sadly even having 16gb highend GPU and highend CPU won't cut it if games released in the last 5 years are so poorly optimized if not outright broken. 8GB is not enough for newer games that are actually demanding and warrents it not simply from bad programmed coding in the game engines.
Most of those games were sufficiently patched in the meantime.
i mean on 1080p is enough, but any higher resolution u need 12
Just swapped my rtx 3070 for a 6750 XT and i am not dissapointed, same perforamnce if not better at 1440p cause of the 12GB Vram
Hopefully better, because what's the point of upgrading the GPU and getting same performance?
Updated Radeon RX 6700 10GB performance in 2025 for the sub 250GBP market.
The 40xx era cards should have never had 8gb with the titles that were already out. The 50xx still having 8gb, that is just abuse pushing people into FAR more expensive cards in which the FTC should be jumping to put a stop to a profiteering scheme.
FTC can't do anything when competition like AMD and intel exist provide more VRAM on the same price tier.
This is ridiculous, games doesn't look so much better than what we used to play four or five years ago, and those games did perfectly fine with 8Gb of Vram.
People go VRAM isn't everything when defending the 4060 (yes there exist people who defend it)
It is when it hits that limit, When a card is phyiscally slow your fps just gets lowered but when your VRAM is the lmiting factor suddenly your entire game can't run without stuttering.
Just lower the setting. Why using setting that use more VRAM in the first place?
@@arenzricodexd4409 Because textures that don't have vaseline smeared all over them look nice, that's why. This is a $300 card that's already struggling to run games at high settings, and we're still in the same generation it released in. There's no excuses you can make for it that'll make it less shit.
@@realyrit then buy cards with more VRAM if you're so obssesed using 4k texture on 1080p res. Funny thing is people said they don't need RT because they are not seeing the difference when they actually play the game. But some how the opposite applied when it comes to texture. When it comes to texture most often the quality is already very good starting from medium. But people were so obsessed on ultra texture even if they can't find the difference between medium and ultra on side by side picture unless they have 400% zoom.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I couldn't care less about ultra textures at 1080p, but I can tell the difference between high and medium textures in most games pretty easily. It's a matter of opinion, it's up to the player to decide what looks good. You're also saying to buy a card with more VRAM, but the 4060 we're talking about is already $300. The RX 7600 XT, which performs at the same level the 4060 does, has 16GB of VRAM and costs the same price on Amazon right now! There's absolutely no reason why the 4060 shouldn't have at least 10 or 12GB of VRAM, aside from planned obsolescence to force midrange customers into buying the next generation or making sacrifices in the settings menu.
I'd also like to say, the 1060 did 1080p60 at all high settings just fine when that was in its prime, without AI trickery. Why aren't we holding the 4060 to the same standard? As I said, no amount of excuses will make the 4060 not underwhelming. It's honestly just a 4050 with bad value.
@@realyrit
So just because a texture isn't at absolute highest means its vaše line smeared all over?
Wonderful reasoning.
In modern games, even Medium textures often look quite good.
I wonder why we don't see higher capacity GPUs using cheaper DDR5 (not GDDR5 to GDDR7). Apparently we can get decent performance on an APU these days using system memory, even when sharing that bandwidth with the CPU, so why not go back to making "budget" style cards using standard (but speedy) RAM? I think the last card that used standard RAM was an Nvidia card using DDR4, which was crap tbh, but it doesn't have to be like that. It shouldn't be particularly expensive to slap a large amount of DDR5 and have it be usable on a graphics card, say 12GB to 36GB?
DDR and GDDR are way different.
Look up the old gpu's that had DDR and a GDDR version and you will see the big issue.
Talk about slowing down gpus big time.
I'd rather have a GPU with 16GB of GDDR6 compared to a GPU with 8GB GDDR7. GDDR6 isn't too expensive all things considered
They were build for different purpose. DDR were build for less latency but the speed just good enough for CPU. they are not build for gpu that require massive bandwidth compared to CPU. GDDR have much higher latency but the quad pump thing provide a lot of bandwidth for gpu.
11gb seems ok on the 1080 ti/ 2080 ti still
Between windows 10 EoL and everyone recommending 12GB of vram lately, my wallet is starting to sweat
If 8GB is fine in the games you play that's fine. My annoyance is at Nvidia for releasing $300+ GPUs with 8GB lol
Same, I'm still using Windows 10 as I'm afraid of the 11 upgrade fucking up my PC performance in games.
@@horodoomwolf Same shit, you're not gonna get any difference in performance cause they patched the issues 11 had, just turn off startup apps, optimize your system and you're good to go.
Your Windows won't just shut down when MS ends its support. It will keep working just fine, it just won't get any more updates. Also, if enough of us stay with it, MS will do what it did with Win7 and just extend its support. Also, Win11 has a lot of problems - just last month, it's latest update pretty much bricked games like AC Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla, and it hasn't been fixed yet.
@@ProYamYamPC The worst part is that people actually defend these DOA GPU's! Because of that, Nvidia is perfectly comfortable giving us another generation of cards that don't have as much VRAM as they should.
I guess the 3070ti is the fastest card with 8gb of vram?
I believe it is
Yes.
For the time being.
I find it difficult to imagine loosing against 3060 12GB in any gaming scenario.
So people need to stop buy low/midrange Nvidia cards and only buy AMD/Intel 12gb+ cards. Problem Solved!
ive been rocking an 8gb card for 2 years. Literally the only issue ive ran into is not being able to use super realistic texture packs on minecraft. MINECRAFT 😐
8gb is fine, god yall are dramatic. I understand the new gen cards should have more, but it's not nearly as big of an issue as yall are hyping it up to be.
I have a 3070 8gb card. I have no issues playing anything.
there are like2-3 games that are known to run like crap even on a 4090 that use too much, and you just adjust 1 thing. Not a big deal.
Before I got the card, I wondered if it was as bad as people say. turns out? no, it's not lol.
I've played over 50 games and not a single issue.
I wouldn't spend $400 tho for 8gb. I spent 270.
Recently upgraded from a 3070 to a 4070 Ti Super mainly for 8GB more of VRAM. I mainly play in 1440p and plan to play a lot more Capcom games with MH Wilds coming out soon, but ran into issues with RE4 remake being unstable at 1440p with just 8GB of VRAM(you can see a direct performance comparison with that one original video where people mod a 3070 to have 16GB and the 1 and .1% raised significantly) and realized I had the same issues with other RE engine titles
People play the gamr with max setting. Just adjust some setting like texture. My 3060Ti play RE4 remake just fine at 1440p which surprise myself as well.
The main issue here is pricing. If companies priced their 8GB GPUs at the price of an Intel Arc A380 (usually between 110 and 120 USD), it wouldn't be a problem, but then you see them priced at a minimum of 300 USD. At that point, you're already overpaying for the GPU.
I wish we could go back in time when a GPU didn't cost as much as the rest of your PC (if you're going for a budget build)
Cost is raising on every aspect. For AIB anything below $300 is already bloodbath for them.
8GB is plenty for most gamers. The only people who need more are people playing AAA games at 4K with everything maxed and stuff like ray/path tracing enabled. Don't get what all the crying is about.
Lmao.
I have an omen 15 with an 8gb 3070max-q 100w, and it's great if you take advantage of dsr and dlss. I run fortnite at high settings 1440p dsr with dlss performance and it looks more sharp than 1080p while averaging 100-110fps
I hope YamYam goes double 5090 this year
We can hope🤣
I think that 8gb are plenty if you're playing older games. In newer games you can always turn down some things like textures. But its not a good idea to buy it new for like 300 bucks tbh.
That used to be true. 😂 But it's starting to affect games now. Soo much that the new supposedly dlss has some new trick to basically upscale textures to reduce vram usage 😂. The burly grainne ghosting mess of upscaling will now also be on textures instead of just your screen resolution.
Maybe the push for everything to have 4k textures/resolution in recent days was kinda a mistake because some of these devs can't optimize for shit.
@@blackstar-genXIm lucky that I only play old games most of the time so my rtx 4070s will get me a long way.
There are titles now that with the lowest settings at 1080 are using 10gb and framegen for 30fps. If you got 1440, your still 30fps but at 13gb.
Turning down textures impacts the visuals more than any other setting. This shouldn't be a comprimise you have to make when you're buying a $300+ card
8gb gpus still hold as long as you don't care about newer gen games.
8 GB of VRAM may not be enough for modern gaming, video editing, or deep learning because of the evolving demands of these activities:
Gaming
Modern games are more graphically demanding than ever before, and 8 GB of VRAM may not be enough to run them smoothly. Some say that 12 GB is the bare minimum, and 16 GB is ideal.
Video editing
8 GB of VRAM may be enough for editing projects smaller than 1080p, but 4K editing is nearly impossible.
Deep learning
6 GB to 8 GB of VRAM is recommended for medium-sized models and datasets, while 10 GB to 24 GB is ideal for large models and extensive datasets.
However, 8 GB of VRAM may be enough for indie, eSports, and older games, as long as the GPU has enough raw gaming performance.
rtx 4070 12GB user here.
Old GPU RTX 2080 Super 8GB.
Older GPU GTX 770 4GB.
Me who went from a GTX 1050 2GB to a RTX 3050 8GB 7 months ago (I bought it in Turkey and it was my budget around that): :')
If 8GB is not enough to olay the newest games, maybe i should just address my backlog of 100s of games and not play any of the new ones until developers learn how to optimize.
Like new titles can't even reach 1080 30fps without running framegen >< 1080 30fps should be obtainable without framegen.
@@jandraelune1 This might be your problem if you are still stuck using cards like the GTX 1060, but its not mine. My main pc has a RX 7900 XT in it. Even my secondary has a RX 6750 XT. My problem with new games tends to be just that they get released broken at launch and don't run at all/constant crashing. The Last of Us, Stalker 2, Space Marine 2, and more were plagued with this problem over the past few years. Some solid day 1 titles though that deserve some praise for not being broken on launch were Robocop, Company of Heroes 3, Dragon Age: The Veilguard, and the remake of Riven using UE5.
The narrator is making a good point. Modern AAA titles are requiring more and more ram.
I would like to support Intel with a purchase of a B580. Luckily, it does have 12Gb of ram. So that serves it very well within its target of 1440p. It should also work well at 1080, some say it doesn't get frames as high as some other cards, but it would be fine for my build plan.
However, those new cards do have DDR7, the newest memory standard always comes at a premium cost. It would be nice if you could get that card for 200 or less, but I highly doubt that.
Also, the other specs of that card were actually really good.
I concur that when you run out of memory, the card will slow, but speed does matter.
So buyers of those cards will just have to watch the game requirements. If it says you need more than you have and you run it anyway, don't expect high frames.
720p gaming is back... lol!!!!
3 years ago I got myself a 307O ti 8gb for my 4k monitor I bought beforehand, big mistake 😂...😭
waiting for 5000 series
FOR THOSE ON A TIGHTER THAN TIGHT BUDGET ITS AN OPTION THEY CAN GET RID OF 4GB AND 6GB CARDS
We dont know how nvidia classified their product. I think the product should be in 1080p segment it u want to play higher res with all setting ultra high better purchase midrange one. Simple
I agree that 8gb GPUs are hitting the limit, but why would you use 1440p on a 8gb entry level gpu , pretty sure they're targeted for 1080p. That is a poor example.
8gb cards do not run new games at 1080p without stuttering. It will only get worse.
*Honestly i am going to safe up and get a used RTX 4090 soon or if the intel 24gig cards cheaper then a RX7900 XTX well then i have the card for my secondary system*
i mean, i have a dell 8gb 3060ti... its absolutely enough, i can play most games at 1440p with reasonable framerates, usually 100+. tbf, i dont play the newest most demanding games, but hell let loose runs just at 140+ fps on my 144hz monitor on very high settings.
but yeah, i wouldnt but a 8gb card today.
Before I even watch the video, for a budget GPU I'd say 8 is fine, 4060-5060 are not budget GPUs. 8gb should not be an option for them, they should have 12 at minimum instead of having 8gb cards with 16gb versions that cost a ton more. But it is pointless, they are gonna make the 5060 8gb with a huge price tag and people will buy that garbage anyway.
Yeah, basically 8GB is ok for anything under $200 was my take
Rip 8GB cards for mid tier gaming moving forward in 2025 onwards
It's like "2016- super soldier Captain America" "8GB"🔥🔥🔥
And in "2024 - Steve Roger with no super soldier serum" "8GB" ☠️☠️☠️
I upgraded from rx6600xt to a rx7900xt because 8gb wasn't enough
4060 ti 16 gb under 300 bucks is a good deal brother ?
If you can find 4070 none super for 300 it's a good deal.
4060ti 16gb has too many limits and you will drop performance before you use all 16gb.
Not a terrible deal
@@ProYamYamPC I paid 300 for a asus tuf rtx 4070 new.
New or used? if it's new then yeah it is a good deal.
@@tomthomas3499 new.
8 gb still enough for 1080p
why dont you talk about memory compression?
New games are going to demand more and more, especially The games that are using DX12 Ultimate. like Indiana Jones. game where you can't turn off Ray tracing.
And yet the 5060 will be #1 on Steam's survey
with 4070 performasnce (I'm delusional but can hope)
@@KamWysz Even if it's 4070 performance it'll still be a 1080p card in modern gaming because of the gimped 8GB framebuffer. Nvidia's gotta make the other artificially gimped cards in their lineup look appealing somehow.
God this generation is gonna suck for anyone who doesn't have deep pockets.
You can't buy B580 for MSRP in Europe. It costs around 340-350 Euros after tax :|
That's a shame, you can get it for a little over MSRP here in the UK
It's not a big deal. Out of the top 100 games on steam, only 2 might bother 8gb of VRAM. Nvidia knows their target audience. The people playing AAA games will just have to get the 5060 ti, or something else. And likely, they'll probably get the 5060 ti.
The big deal is gonna be the inevitable ludicrous pricing of these cards. Can't wait for a xx60 class card at the low price of $500.
@@realyrit I doubt they'll stray away from $300. It'll be up to the internet to scream OMG 8gb for $300 and that'll be bad PR, but it will probably still be the best seller on amazon.
8 GB GPUs are still great for 1080p gaming..
Nnah, screw next gen games, I'd rather play playable games like Skyrim, Far cry 6, Doom Eternal and indie games with my Rx 6600 🗿
well I understand the problem but we need also address the elephant in the room, which how Developer these days try to impress us with their graphic yet its not well optimize resulting their game eat so many resource in our PC (some game even want more than 100gb), plus there Win11 bloatware, yes I know we can just go to linux or tweak Win11 background process running but we cannot ignore it either specially with people who not really tech savvy heck even tech savvy most of time choose safe option.
my laptop has 4gb and im perfectly fine with it…
What a waste, so much technological advancement for developers to make games that can't even work properly 0:52
I think they’re are trying to go for more of high fps that way the fps is sooo high to the point where u don’t even noticed the 1%low
Yes 8gb is not enough, But money is only enough for 8gb card. Sadly new games is not that exciting for me to spend more. Buy what you can affford is what i can reccomend to everyone. 😊
Intel is a terrible example to use. while the b580 is a good card intel looses money on each one. a company cannot be putting out a card like that. they won’t exist
Only indiana jones killed gtx gpu especially GTX 1080 ti & rtx 3050 laptops 4gb vram lol
This was just a question of time when this will happend but it wasn't the first game that requieres an rt card Metro enhanced did this before.
3:09 Nvidia's excuse is that people buy them anyway.
Rx 6600 8gb is not enough for indiana Jones even at 1080p gaming. Must have afmf 2 and fsr 3.1 to get better fps otherwise it's not even getting 60 fps at medlem
we need to talk about games that requires pc upgrade every damn year to run them
Yes, they aren't innocent in this lol
we can talk about it but 8gb vram AAA is not coming back.
Most new games are crap anyways. “Oh, I just have to play heckin Indian Jones.” No I don’t. To hell with Indiana Jones.
Given how many people enjoy the games on 8GB cards and below , statements that 8GB is not enough in 2025 are above and beyond stupid.
Enthusiasts and would-be enthusiast are claiming that for years, yet milions enjoy and are continuing to enjoy games,including newest ones on 8GB and below cards and will continue to do so for years to come.
8GB cards won't magically stop working in 2025.
Or 2026 for that matter.
Probably not even 2027.
4GB cards might by 2027.
Late 2027.
6?
Well RTX2060 is protected via DLSS,so will probably be fine or relatively fine for a few more years.
I suppose 4GB cards might become defacto defunct in couple of years.
But 8GB?
No.
nvidia are really stingy with gb on high end gpu's for insane price s
a 5060 is simply not a 1440p card thats for sure
monopoly of amd and nvidia must be stoppeddddd, we need minimumm 12 gb vram under 250 bucks OR IN Budget segment, 8 gb is not enough in 2025, i knw nvidia is the best in sw and other things, amd is far behind than nvidia, intel should invest more in budget segment gpus in upcoming time, thanks brother Lots OF LOVE from INDIA
I got a 3060 12gb sure its notting special but at least it has 12gigs of vram
Its wierd that 4060 has 8 gigs of vram (yes i coyld have bought 4060 but didnt )
What about 4 gig
me watching on my 6gb
12gb minimum moving forward, I fully agree! 👍💯
not everyone got money for a rtx 4090 lil bro
No one mentioned the 4090 lil bro
Oh i think the 5060 will be more than 400. Nvidia isn't gonna spar us 😅
It won't fly off of shelves if that's the case
Medium effects no RTX no probs
ok now give me your 8GB GPU
No
@@ProYamYamPC lmao aight
2025 is the golden period of gaming, gta 6, mafia,dying light, assincreed , king dome come.... many more big titiles are coming
8gb its made for 1080p ! why you testing at 1440p !!!
Because a lot of 8gb GPUs would be powerful enough to run 1440p without issues if they just had more memory, especially the RTX 3070/3070 Ti.
Ouuf 💀
The Intel B580 aged like milk after the recent discovery 🥲
I wouldn't say it aged like milk. I've said ARC's driver overhead needs improvement ever since I tested the A750
this is why i don't buy their gpus yet. they're really haven't been in the gpu market for long and i'm not willing to be a beta testers for them.
NOOOO IT IS ENOUGH GDDR7 HOW DARE YOU TALK BADLY ABOUT MY LORD U DIMWITTT - Nvidia fanboys