You can't make everybody happy :/ when I was a kid I enjoyed the prequels but not as much as the original trilogy and episode 7 was a great fan service !
+Knightguard1 And? Is it somehow wrong to believe two different extremes are wrong? I don't like being outside during the winter when it gets below freezing, but I also find that scorching heat can be just as uncomfortable.Besides, don't try to say those are the only reasons why people didn't like these movies.
One big difference between Luke and Rey, that I have not heard anyone mention, is that Luke couldn't wait to get off of his planet, whereas Rey didn't want to leave hers.
Exactly! Luke and Rey are totally different characters and the only similarity between them is that they're from desert planets and they both have The Force. Luke is a farmboy who has loved with his aunt and uncle his whole life doing, well, farm work. He can't wait to get off his boring homeworks and find adventure. Rey on the other hand has no one. She has lived a rough life fending for herself since day one. She's no bright eyed yuppie kid like Luke, she knows how things go down in the wilds and in the backdoors of trading posts. She's been scavenging and fighting her whole life just waiting for the day the parents she never knew come home.
Also Rey can kinda do just about anything the plot needs her to and was immediately able to powerfully manifest the Force and beat the more "experienced" villains ass. Plus her personality was she's.... spunky? I liked the Force Awakens and it made steps in the right direction, but it felt shallow and safe. Hopefully the next movie steps it up a notch now that things are established.
+HelloGreedo The Force Awakens really just got my excited to see Episode 8. I think 8's story will be much more unique but I wouldn't be surprised if it was our hero's lowest point. That's just how trilogies work.
Episode I and IV were similar Female that is royalty (Leia/ Padme) Skywalker from Tatooine A Jedi getting Skywalker off of Tatooine Skywalker helping the female character A Sith Lord after the female character A climatic space battle The Elderly Jedi getting killed by said Sith ending celebration
+(Permanent Placeholder) I think it could have been a good thing if used properly sadly it was poorly used it's like it doesn't even matter so in the movie we have this giant planet that can destroy entire star systems and nobody seems to give a fuck!! seriously the charcters are basically like oh look another giant ball that can destroy planets lets go destroy it again I think Ep. VII should have just focused on the charcters and the universe in general then maybe intrudce Starkiller base in the sequels and make it look like a serious threat
+(Permanent Placeholder) Totally agree, they should have done something far more creative. I don't mind the other similarities, though. Effin' LOVED this movie!
+(Permanent Placeholder) They're building Starkiller Base again for Episode 8. I swear to god if I see another fucking Deathstar or Starkiller base or fucking ball in the sky.
As much as I love the movie, I think it's unfair to claim that anyone who doesn't dig the movie is "just looking for something to complain about." It's a valid critique and those folks are entitled to an opinion.
Elias Gonzalez so??? Just because you find differences when you look for them, doesn't mean it's okay to do it. TFA overdid it, they copied most of ANH's main plot points. They did change a few things here and there but mostly they did the same movie. I'm not going to bother counting all of them because it'd take a lot of time, but they had so many similarities. It's not okay. It had some new elements, but it was really lazy and unoriginal.
I don't get why people say that the prequels weren't liked for being different. The new planets, species, ships, and in general the new stories and things happening were all great. Those weren't the problems.
It depends on you as a person. do you like story and plot or characters and writing etc part of movies if you like story, youll like the prequels the most if you charcter dev, writing etc then youll like ot
The plot points were way too similar. Abram's really shit the bed with it. We shouldn't be asking for a soft reboot, but a good SEQUEL. And this movie would have been without Starkiller Base and too many similarities. The characters could have carried any plot they made which they did. So yeah, I'm very annoyed at the similarities. It should not have been that way at all. I wanted the OT feeling, not the entire plot. I am hoping Episode 8 takes a sharp turn and isn't a rehash of TESB
The problem with 7 for me was the lack of creativity. Sure it was cool to have star wars back, but the force awakens lacked anything "new" to the franchise. Everything had already been done before. Sure you can hate on the prequels, but at least Lucas had creativity and added new and interesting things (pod racing, geonosis)
Mos Eisley and Maz’s castle are definitely physically and structurally similar, but there’s a different emotional context. In 4 the scene ends on a high note for our heroes because they’ve gained new allies who know how to handle themselves, in 7 it ends on a low note with our heroes getting split up. Plus Rey has a vision from Anakin’s lightsaber which is unlike anything ever seen in Star Wars, so I think the two scenes each work in their own ways. Similar yes, but it’s an homage for a reason. TFA is an homage to the whole OT
My biggest gripe with the movie was Starkiller Base. The thing that annoyed me the most about it, was that they amped it up. I feel like having another Death Star could have been okay if it had been amped down, but they amped it up instead to a ridiculous scale. Having it survive for more than one movie would have also made it less annoying, but I suppose they wanted to mirror ANH and also have some fireworks at the end of the movie. None of the other similarities to other Star Wars movies bothered me at all.
+BlameItOnGreg Yeah Starkiller base is retarded. I was hoping till the last second that it wont get destroyed completely, but I was dissapointed :( Not to mention it makes zero sense in the Star Wars universe, I mean seriously, hyperspace superlasers that split up and target every single moon and planet!?? What the fuck?
Then you'd have people complaining about how underwhelming and non-threatening it was, if it were "amped down". The fact that it was just "a bigger one" was at-least a clever nod to the audience.
I personally loved the Force Awakens. It was the first star wars movie I saw in the theaters. I had a blast! Yes it had similarities with the original trilogy that the whole point was to bring it back to it's roots and it did it perfectly.
My favourite scene is still Poe and Finn's escape. In just a few minutes they formed a better relationship and had better chemistry than any set of characters in the entirety of the prequels.
The Phantom Menace is also pretty simillar to A New Hope: A boy is rescued from a desert planet, a queen/princess is kidnapped and then rescued, space battle that destroys a huge round spaceship, the wise old master dies, there's a celebration at the end... I think The Force Awakens actually turns this formula around a little in some aspects, like the characters.
+Henbush8 ALL Abrams had to do was work with Lucas and work out the story arc and finer details of the whole thing and then say, "Great! Thanks! See you at the premiere!", go finish the final draft of the script and shoot the movie. But obviously he and/or Disney wanted to make glorified fan-fic instead. : P
+ComeOnIsSuchAJoy That actually DID happen. Lucas had a bunch of ideas for VII-IX that he passed on to Disney. Except instead of polishing up Lucas' vision, everyone involved thought it was terrible (the rumors, so don't take this as fact, was that it was supposed to be similar to the prequels to make it come full circle; re-establishing the Republic and Senate, having a reverse family arc where one of the offspring goes dark but is brought back, new silly aliens, etc. Basically, The Phantom Menace meets ROTJ). Then they brought in a new writer who also did a terrible job, but at least created a basic foundation to work on. Abrams and Kasdan took the script and decided to take these new ideas, expanded on them and worked them tangibly around a soft reboot to give fans what they wanted, and it worked. But the main point is that no one involved liked Lucas's idea for the next trilogy so they decided to go another way, which speaks volumes.
Rob Nevico (NOTE: this post assumes everything you say is true) So, again, basically they preferred mediocre fan-fic wrapped in an extensive Episode IV rehash with a Mary Sue lead, a male lead only there to make said Mary Sue look even better, a massive disconnect to the previous movie in the series, new developments to the returning OT characters that didn't ring true given their OT arcs, contradictions to various SW lore established by Lucas himself, and an excess of winks to the OT that were so painfully self-aware the characters might as well have broken the fourth wall and said to us viewers, "Hey, remember this?" : P I find it hard to believe Michael Arndt - writer of "Little Miss Sunshine" and "Toy Story 3" - did a 'terrible' job. I also recall Lucas' own biographer reading his VII-IX outlines back in the day and thinking they were brilliant -- even better than I-III or X-XII (yes, there's apparently a fourth trilogy as well). Let's face it: everyone involved in the movie's upper hierarchy was sooooo petrified of having a repeat of the prequel drama that they completely hedged all their bets; they played it completely and utterly safe... because, of course, it's easier -- and more financially rewarding. [roll eyes] Working directly WITH Lucas through the story arc **might've** actually resolved a lot of their concerns. And, again, Lucas has ALWAYS maintained these are *kids'* movies. I'm sorry to all my fellow Gen-Xers, but WE'RE NO LONGER THE TARGET AUDIENCE of these movies. It's not my fault the MPAA has gotten so ridiculously conservative over the last 25 years (I still think both this and ROTS would've easily gotten PG ratings - albeit hard PGs - back in the late '80s -- hell, ANH and TESB would also probably be PG-13 today). : P 'Silly' aliens? Frankly, a lot of the new aliens/creatures in this movie didn't look 'Star Wars-y' at all to me; Unkar Plutt, the rathtars, that alien on whose lap the First Order spy was sitting in Maz's castle, and that giant pig snout creature on Jakku all immediately spring to mind. DUNE or STARGATE, maybe, but *not* SW. And not a **single** 'classic' SW alien anywhere??? No Rodians, or Twi'leks, or Aqualishes, or Grans, etc.? (I'm not counting the 3 returning OT heroes that fit this bill - Chewie the Wookiee, Admiral Ackbar the Mon Calamari, and Nien Nunb the Sullustan.) As I've heard someone say on one of these comment sections, with the prequels, Lucas at least got the story right; it was nearly every other aspect on which he dropped the ball... whereas, here, Abrams and Disney did the *exact opposite*. And, of course, unfortunately for them, story is THE most important thing about SW, if you ask me. But, alas, SW has apparently also now fallen into that same sort of *"We want the SAME THING!! Only DIFFERENT!!!"* mentality that moviegoers now hold for virtually all movie franchises. There's no profit in originality anymore. : P
Chenyuan Xie Agreed, to a large extent, but look at how both T1 and T2 begin and finish. Both protectors must protect Sarah and John, then at the end they all end up in a big vehicle crash, damaging both parties in a steel mill area. Both amazing movies, but you can see the similarities if you look
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade got a lot of the same "it's a copy of the original" shit when it came out, and now it's considered the best in the series by some.
The Force Awakens made me appreciate The Phantom Menace for the first time.....In The Phantom Menace you see a real effort to build a new story......The Force Awakens is nice but is just a remake transposed in time.
If you look at TPM the same way most people who have problems with TFA do with TFA, you will notice that The Phantom Menace is also basically the same plot.
+Magic Patagonia The Phantom Menace had similarities to A New Hope to. There's a person who lives on a desert planet that has a very unimportant life and finds some people that completely change their lives, at first one of the good guys doesn't like the main character, but then becomes good friends with them, then their original mentor gets killed in a lightsaber battle and then they destroy the bad guy's base, and then they party about the fact they defeated the bad guys.
+Lexie Sure...but not at the extreme of TFA......at least in TPM you can feel the intention to show new things, new designs, different characters, different planet imaginery, a different scale of the story..... etc....they failed in a lot of things.....but the intention and risk is appreciated.....I don't see a single risk in The Force Awakens....and that really adds no flavor to the cake.
+Nathan Andrews Sure...but not at the extreme of TFA......at least in TPM you can feel the intention to show new things, new designs, different characters, different planet imaginery, a different scale of the story..... etc....they failed in a lot of things.....but the intention and risk is appreciated.....I don't see a single risk in The Force Awakens....and that really adds no flavor to the cake.
How about how Luke's actions are a completely different character than what we saw in the OT. OT Luke would have gone to fix his mistakes and do what he could, not leave the fate of the galaxy up to others and go "eh, not my problem."
It's very simple. If this is the only movie I get for another 10 or 20 years, I would be pissed that they really didn't do anything new or fresh, that they played it safe. But there is a Star Wars movie in post-production, another in production, another in pre-production, and another 2 announced, and probably many many more in the pipeline, so I don't really care. In fact I liked that everything was so familiar.
Episodes I-III tried too hard to be it's own story that most of its charm was lost for not being similar to Ep. IV-VI. Episode VII was made to introduce new characters while at the same time keeping the story and plot elements very familiar. I also see the similarities compared to A New Hope, but I'm not really bothered by it that much. To me it felt like an enhanced remake of the mythos with elements of IV and V.
Episode I-III didn't fail just because it was different. It failed because how they executed it, all these unnecacery parts like well, the whole first episode and too much focusing on the love story of episode 2 with terrible acting, too much of CGI and Jar Jar... The clone wars TV show, especially since the beginning of the third season has improved on all of this, the story is way different from the OT but people loved it much more than Rebels ever will be. The overall story is amazing if you think about it and the storylines have are and have much more potential to be really interesting and amazing than those from the OT era. It's not the story that failed but the execution.
+Arek15Arek thank you! I completely agree. It's the execution of the prequels that people hate. From bad dialogue, acting, and pacing, to way to much CGI in episodes 2&3. Clone wars proves that people don't care that the prequels aren't like the OT.
I don't like tfa but not because it looks so much like a new hope but because Maz Kanata is just stupid plothole orange cgi crap pixels (she is the same as jar jar is to phantom menace) and Finn being able to fight kylo ren is just stupid.... Seriously they could've made Maz kanata anything from the established awesome races but no they have to make her complete cgi puppet orange yoda bland lookalike.
No people dislike it for shitty boring characters, Mary Sue as a main character, lame acting, rehashed and very predictable story, stupid dialogue, boring action scenes, terrible plotholes, deus ex machine and for breaking established laws of the SW. The movie is a mess. The only good thing about it are visuals and they failed even in this and brought another stupid looking CGI characters and monsters. It was by far the worst SW movie.
I just don't get this kind of fans of Star Wars and this kind of opinions. So, in the prequels they created new worlds, new planets, new characters, new ideas, new ways to expand the SW universe and you hated. And now, they do exactly the same but with differences and you love it. I liked TFA but I think they could've created and imagined like EVERYTHING? It looks like the kind of plot of a 10 fanboy dream. I just don't get it, sincerely.
+Jorge Gutiérrez You can create as many new things as you want, but if the movie is dull, boring, and fails to connect with the viewer...then none of that matters.
+HelloGreedo I would argue that TFA falls under the category of dull and boring because it is so similar to Episode IV. The amount of callbacks were a barrier to enjoying the film. I normally wouldn't mind the references if the film had good writing, but it has terrible writing. Here are a few examples: Why does Finn defect out of nowhere? Why does Rey keep BB-8 when she is desperate for food? Why does Kylo Ren have the light side call him when he has no issue killing people and ordering a village to be slaughtered? Why does Rey master so many force abilities within such a short amount of time? I could go on...
I feel like they made the plot rather similar to keep things safe. If the plot was going to be completely different to the original trilogy then it would probably face even more criticism. this is evident with the prequel trilogy. Hopefully the next Star Wars will branch out a bit more with the storyline
Heck, I respect J. J Abrams for not using shoving Luke into the fore front, that takes guts. If I had the chance to direct it, the new characters would have been overshadowed by the old. But J. J didn't do that, he set them up perfectly in a similar story but inhabited by different and new characters. So when Episode VIII comes, Luke won't totally overshadow Rey, we'll be interested to see the both of them.
I don't think the republic is *completely* destroyed, and I sincerely hope the scene being shot in Croatia is a city in the republic (dunno how it'd make sense but given the way the city looks, who knows). I want to think that scene was purposely made to make us think it was completely annihilated, similar to the first death star and the empire.
Ryan Meaker Yeah, it would be ridiculous if the entirety of the New Republic got destroyed when they blew up the Hosnian System. They must be more branched out than that.
I think you're putting too much stock in the "Someone will always complain" argument. That argument assumes either people who are complaining are too disagreeable to like any version of the film or some people wouldn't have liked a version of the movie that doesn't exist. When I heard there was a new Star Wars movie, I just wanted a NEW Star Wars movie. What's the point waiting 10 years for a movie I'v basically already seen? What's the point of having a story 30 years after Jedi if the rebels/empire dynamic hasn't changed? Were Mon Mothma and the Republic sitting on their hands for 30 years? Why is there still an Empire? Doesn't this make the celebration at the end of Jedi a moot point if the Empire is still around? It was that and Starkiller Base that broke it for me. Star Wars is almost 40 years old, since then we've had movies, novels, comics, video games, t.v. series, and most of that is now non-canonical. And yet with the wealth of lore and a clean slate, I end up watching a movie that's decidedly a copy of the original trilogy. You may say this franchise needed a soft reboot, I think it needed a hard break. Star Wars needs to step away from the shadow of the original trilogy, away from the Lucas era, and be something distinctly different.
Honestly, I could write a research paper on the sheer number of differences between the two movies. Abrams himself confirmed that the similarities were intentional homages meant to pay tribute to what came before and reintroduce the saga to a new generation. When you think about it, however, the similarities that were there, though obvious, were also pretty vague. Yeah, Tatooine and Jakku are both desert planets; the Cantina and Maz's temple both serve as bars; R2-D2 and BB-8 are both droids given missions to deliver information to groups of freedom fighters. Does that mean they're ripping the original off? No. Why? Because the Star Wars universe encompasses an entire galaxy worth of systems. Nobody should be surprised that there's more than one desert planet, or that there's more than one bar. Hell, we saw a bar in Episode II on Coruscant. That planet could've had countless bars. Sure, they facilitated vaguely similar purposes, but the way things went down in each were pretty different overall. I also seriously doubt R2 was the first droid the Rebels entrusted with valuable information, and I'm sure BB-8 won't be the last droid the Resistance trusts to perform a similar task. It's like HelloGreedo stated, R2 was carrying the technical readouts to the Death Star while BB-8 was carrying the missing piece of the map to locate Luke. Delivering the Death Star plans was the main objective throughout the majority of A New Hope. Delivering the map to Luke was a background goal which served as a mcguffin. It was a side mission, but not the main objective. A lot of similar plot points between the two aren't even original to Star Wars. There have been countless other stories utilizing similar plot points both before and since. Does that mean they're ripping each other off? Of course not. It's just how their stories were structured. The similarities in no way bother me, and I certainly don't see them as a negative. J.J. and crew showed their respect for the original and paved the way for the adventures to come. Still my favorite film of last year and a worthy addition to my favorite film series.
+Horse Man Oh get over it racist. America is diverse and it always will be. If it pisses you off so much, make your own Star Wars movie. The Northern Agressors can be the Empire and good ol' Confederate Skywalker can come along with his slave carrying the plans that Darth Lincoln has been after. Come on do it. If you do a good job, you might get a 2/10.
A quick comment here: One thing I wanted different, or new, out of Sequel Trilogy was a different villain; someone who could possibly be even better than Vader was. I think Kylo Ren filled this desire perfectly. One thing that had set him apart from Vader was, for one his lashing out with his lightsaber in rage or anger instead of just exclusively force choking out an officer like we've seen Vader do. I hope that he keeps that trait in the following movies. If he had just exclusively force choked out officers, people would be bitching "OHHH, HE'S JUST ANOTHER VADER RIPOFF."
I think that the physical similarities between the Death Star and Starkiller base are the only thing to gripe about considering the first order is a continuation of the Empire, which was trying to achieve total control over the galaxy and went to the lengths of building the Death Star because obviously it was crucial to their plans. As stated, fear will keep the systems in line, fear of the Death Star. It was made to decrease rebellion using fear of total planetary destruction, wiping out whole governing systems. With the total annihilation of a giant governing mega force in 7, it is ridiculous no one understands this and how crucial A Death Star is in taking completely over like that. It's like dropping a million nukes on an entire continent and ending any and all potential war against you, and it was the point Lucas wanted to get across, who was inspired by tyrannical powers like the Nazi party to make the Empire in the first place. It's one of the reasons the series is even called Star Wars in the first place. I could agree with complaints about its destruction happening in the first film maybe, as maybe they should have waited till 8 to figure this all out with Luke, inverting the order of titles with the mega weapon in it, especially if they plan to rebuild it in 8 or 9. However, maybe they wanted to get it out of the way and do something else for 8 and 9.
You keep telling that the similarities "don't bother" you. And that bothers me. That's not a valid point you're making. You're just saying that you are totally fine with the fact that they didn't take any risks. You're saying that the characters are what's important, but even the characters are pretty much the same. You keep saying that Rey is relatable. Yeah, that's because she's Luke. A character with great potential that is living on a desert planet until an event outside of his control sends him in space in the Millenium Falcon. If you're going to argue that "characters drive story", fine. But they are the same characters and they are doing the same things they did in A New Hope. So the end result is that it's the same story. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie, but Episode VIII can't be great if it's a "soft reboot" of Empire. If you don't take risks, then these movies will fall into the abysses of cinema history in ten years tops.
You are wrong my friend. Rey and Luke are COMPLETELY different characters. Rey is competent, and kind of street smart, but she is also vulnerable and scared. She is also not too selfish and she is very compassionate. She is very hopeful and she's a massive enthusiast of myths and legends about Han Solo or Luke Skywalker. Despite living a trashy lifestyle, she wants to go back to that life as she has faith her family will return. She dreams of adventure but never wants to actually go on one herself. Luke on the other hand is quite a sheltered, whiny teenager, who doesn't really start off with much hope and believes his uncle controls his life. Despite living a decent lifestyle, he is unhappy with it. He is eager for adventure, and tries to seize every chance he gets at it. He can't wait for his life to change. He isn't a particularly caring person, but he soon learns to care for his friends. He is also not particularly vulnerable or afraid at times, or he's never too nervous.
Asadmah Productions I thought of some of these already i mainly mean't both being strong with the force and desert planet comparison. Good points made though
Bakir AL-Fetlawi And wouldn't that be exactly what's wrong about how every Star Wars movie as been writen since after Episode 5? Making everything and everyone being connected to each other. Making it some kind of massive plan of the Force... I miss the time when Star Wars was the story of people who got thrown in an adventure in the middle of a war that was bigger then them. Now Star Wars just seems like the whole universe is organized around the Skywalkers...
MestariDuff Empire kinda did that with Vader. Imo thats when SW became Skywalker centric. I'd prefer Rey to not be Lukes daughter but trained by him instead as it would make sense. I do think there is overusage of the Skywalker lineage which is why I like Rebels.
Come on dude. First order Stormtrooper helmet is cool and all, but it aint the classic helmet and it doesn't look nearly as good. At least in my opinion.
The only time during the movie where i had noticed the similarities between ANH and TFA was when they were going to destroy starkiller base, and more specifically the trench run. I remember debating with my friends whether or not it would have been more interesting if the rebels had actually lost instead of destroying it. It would have been like the battle of Endor, but the trap had actually worked and the majority of the New Republic fleet had been destroyed. It would have made the First Order look more terrifying than the previous enemy and set up the rise of a new threat more dramatic.
Episode 2 had a bar, episode 4 had a bar, episode 7 had a bar. Episode 1, qui-gon dies, episode 4, obiwan dies, episode 7, han solo dies. original trilogy, Vader with 1 saber blade, prequels, maul with 2 saber blades, sequels, kylo with 3 saber blades. prequels had the republic and the separatists, originals had the empire and the rebellion, sequels had the first order and the resistance. prequels, Jango fett. originals, boba fett. sequels, phasma. Republic Clone Troopers, Imperial Stormtroopers, First Order Stormtroopers. Anakins gets his arm cut off. Luke gets his hand cut off. Rey gets a limb cut off?? Anakin and padme, Solo and Leia, Rey and Poe?? Star wars follows a formula. notice?
+Noel Looez But people try to blame it on the newest thing in the franchise. Some people are saying "Hey I think the prequels are better, because they were at least completely original" No, all of them follow a formula, and that does not affect my enjoyment of the film.
Mike Swan She was a Jedi in the comics, which would make sense because two Jedi are better than one. Leia and Luke should know that so Luke should have trained her in the movie's story.
They really aren't that similar. There are definitely tons of call backs, but all the similarities are so small, besides death star 3, which was the only bad thing. Even like the trench run. In a new hope the trench run was an integral part of the ending, they used it as cover because it was the only way to get to where they needed to go, otherwise they would've had no chance. In TFA, they used a trench on the ground for a couple seconds as a minor tactical advantage. All the similarities are like that. The most similar thing about Luke's and Reys upbringing was sand. Luke was a farmer who lived a pretty comfortable life with with his aunt and uncle. Rey spent all her time scavenging just to stay alive. Luke had every intention to get off the planet, and Rey wanted to stay there, and even wanted to go back after she left. There are a lot of similarities, small ones. The point was to give fans something really familiar while at the same time something completely new, and i think it succeeded quite well. Saying it's just a rehash of a new hope is the dumbest, most ignorant thing you could say about it.
The Force Awakens kinda felt like a character study to me: we develop our experiences and understanding with Rey and Finn, who are our protagonists. And we also see how Chewy and Han's relationship has grown. The similarities never bothered me; I think it's because I can symphasise with the fact that J.J. had to reignite a franchise that had been needing a great movie since 1983.
well the idea of thinking positive that the good news can came at some point without standing and fight for your own goals, is kind a relative thing that most people can experience in their lives. heck have you seen silver living playbook they do that too
You basically said it all, I see all the similarities and how people see it as a negative, But they wanted to bring you back to the original trilogy and revive Star Wars and introduce us to our new Characters and get us ready for the new trilogy, I cant wait for the next movie, Hell, I'm even pumped for Rouge one. Great Video!
2 minutes in and kinda questioning whether you're sick? No criticism to yhe content just wondering. To be honest it doesn't really matter but I'm just wondering.
+HelloGreedo Hope you feel better soon man. Loved the video by the way, brought up a lot of good points and was very informative. I'm a big fan, I think I've been around from about 60 thousand subs and I from the UK.
+paul “Bladedsquirrel” g I don't even know. I just heard his voice was like a bit off normal and the video was uploaded like 2 minutes prior to my comment so I asked and he replied and now we're here.
I also loved TFA, but I feel that Jakku was lazy. I didn't complain about a desert planet, I complained about a planet that looked EXACTLY like Tatooine. They could have made Jakku with giant red rocks jutting from the ground, mountains as tall as skyscrapers, a slightly different color sand, something! But Jakku looked exactly like Tatooine, and that's why people complained.
Another difference I would like to point out between luke and rey is that luke always aspired to the force, wanted to learn it, accepted it immediately, enbraced it, while rey on the other hand didnt want that at first, ran away from it, and then only used it cause she needed, to escape. It was like her last resource. So yeah, thats a big thing right there in my opinion. Its the "omg I want to be jedi so bad, pls pls pls" versus the "I dont want these kinda things in my life, but I guess I'll have accept it and use it"
+Jake Jones Agreed. A reboot is when a movie series starts over from scratch. "Batman Begins," "Casino Royale," "Star Trek" (2009), "The Amazing Spider-Man," "Man of Steel," etc., are all examples of a reboot -- *NOT* TFA.
Starkiller Base should've survived the first movie to make a comeback in the second. Just like Darth Maul. But TFA is still a wellmade and entertaining movie. Can't wait to own it on Blu-Ray.
It's a simple formula: include tons of similarities in order to emphasize the differences. The point is showing how far the series has come from its origins. It's meant to recapture the old feel of Star Wars while simultaneously giving it a new direction for fans to be excited for. It's not bad, it's a strategy for a very specific effect. They wanted that duality, and I think they did it great.
Episode I: Obi Wan says No! when Qui Gon gets killed by Darth Maul. Episode IV: Luke says No! when Obi Wan gets "killed" by Darth Vader. Episode VII: Rey says No! when Han Solo gets killed by Kylo Ren.
+Lucas Dossetto yes. from a farmboy to a X-Wing Pilot in 1 Hour. Luke is mary sue Confirmened! or Anakin in episode 1.he could never fly and survive a podracing without the Force
yep but no one complained because they are boys .... so stupid anyway its a minority so we need to get over it and enjoy this new trilgy (srry for my bad english i'm french)
A lot of elements of the plot are kind of the same, but the real meat of the content is how they spin everything. Both Rey and Luke are former children abandoned by their parents, but the difference between the two is that while Luke's story was about learning of his parents and their legacy, his arc isn't all about parental abandonment. Vader never shapes Luke into who he is, Luke is defined by how his aunt and uncle raised him, and his relationships with his friends. Luke is not defined by his being abandoned by his parents. Rey, however, is defined by parental abandonment. The reason she's living on Jakku by herself in the first place is because she was abandoned as a child. Without wishing to spoil anything, a lot of her story actually revolves around finding replacements for her parents (specifically father figures). Luke had a normal life because he already had these things, but Rey did not. I can't wait to see what they do here in the second movie.
Before seeing the movie, my initial thought about Jakku was that it would be a scrapyard planet, based off of the descriptions. It would've been cool to see people just scrambling across huge mountains made by passing ships dumping their own junk, or something like that. True, it would've required a lot of CG, but still!
I really liked the 3rd Death Star. I really felt the emotions of the people watching their planet's forthcoming doom. It touched me, and made me think about Death. I personally wish that the Death Star did a lot of damage to the galaxy. Remember, Death Star 1 only blew up Alderaan, which wasn't even an important planet (from what I gather).
+General Hux people don't realize that the First order is actually like the rebels in episode 4. The first order was weak, so they enslaved kids and built a superweapon to compensate.
Jacob Albrecht Right the First Order developed from a small group of former Empire soldiers to a powerfull threat in the unknown regions. There sure will be some books featuring this.
I liked the film personally. I do feel Starkiller Base could have been handled differently, or maybe not at all. The beginning was similar to IV, this is good, a familiar yet new scene for old fans. The middle had similarities to the old films, but enough new that it was a different story. If they hadn't of added Star killer base, I think people would have reacted better. Start the film similar then graduate to new and original material. Starkiller just went back to old too quick. But I enjoyed it anyway.
"Jakku is a ripoff of Tatooine because they're both desert planets!" Here's a different statement with same "logic": "Saturn is a ripoff of Jupiter because they're both gas giants!"
I guess JJ Abrams wanted to take a safer route knowing the fact that Episode 1 received criticism for not being as orignal. People hate Force Awakens because it was too original? This abosolutely perplexes me...
+Pirate_of_Oakland as much like the original* Ep 1 was VERY original, and boring, and people disliked it for the stale acting and they wanted more original triligory stuff.
I think maybe it was a little too similar but i am still glad they played it safe on the first movie and established the world we love so much. They can take it their own direction in episode 8 and 9 !
It's just ridicolous when people say that it's too similar to A New Hope, if it were to have had a new plot the same people would have complained about that instead.
I agree that episode IV and episode VII are really similar, it's actually pretty close to a scene for scene remake: R2D2-BB8 Hurried escape from the planet on the Millennium Falcon Trash compactor monster-Rathtars Bar scenes Destruction of Alderaan-destruction of Hosnian system Meeting with rebels about destroying death star- meeting with resistance about destroying starkiller base Enemy prepares to fire on rebels-enemy prepares to fire on resistance Interrogation of Leia-interrogation of Rey Battle between Darth Vader and Obi-wan-Confrontation between Kylo Ren and Han Solo Some scenes are out of order but there are way too many for it to pass unnoticed. I did notice all this while watching the movie, but like Greedo I don't think it's a problem. It was done exceedingly well, the characters were new and interesting, and you could feel the love of the Star Wars universe in each scene. I've thought of it more as an homage to the first movie than simply copying it. More than anything, you can tell this was all very much intentional. It wasn't just to rip off episode IV and make a quick buck. It was to rekindle what we loved in Star Wars.
I overall really enjoyed Force Awakens. Was Force Awakens perfect? No. Did it recycle too much from a New Hope. Yes. Was it enjoyable and fun? Yes. I'm seeing so much hate for this movie in the comment section by angry ''fanboys'' and I honestly don't get it. Compared to the garbage boring, underwhelming flat Prequels. This is everything Star Wars is and needs to be. A fun adventurous space fantasy film with likable characters. Not a film about the taxation of trade routes, flat boring lifeless characters or boring space politics. Honestly speaking the only good thing to actually come out of the Prequels were their musical scores, and the Clone Wars TV show. I am looking forward to seeing what director Rian Johnson brings to the table in Episode VIII and I get the feeling he'll bring more originality to the next one.
I strongly guarantee you - If Episode 10 were to exist in 40 years or 30 years - EVERYONE would be saying it sucks really bad and then look back about how the Sequel trilogy was the best thing to ever happen in the Star Wars Saga. The Double Standards exist... People probably only hate TFA to get back at the OT fans that hated the prequels to death. OR because its modern.
The politics in the OT were simple and easy to follow. The ones in the Prequels aren't. And even if they aren't that hard to follow, nearly everything else going on in the films including it's dull as dish water characters make it hard to give two shits about.
Fans: Episode I sucks! It's nothing like the Originals! 16 years later... Fans: Episode VII sucks! It's too similar to the originals! People are hard to please these days.
One of the commenters above mentioned this. This community is so fucking contradictory!! They're shitting on TFA for being too similar to A New Hope....Yet praising the shit out of the prequels Ring Theory :/
I don't get the complaint about Maz. You can't emote with puppets effectively. And it's not even like they had her full CG rendered and the actors were talking to a tennis ball on a stick. No. There was a real person there. Looking into the other actors eyes. And yeah she probably could've looked a a bit better but she served her purpose. And everyone has to admit She IS an interesting and important character.
The puppets of the OT beg to differ. Yoda... what about Chewie and the droids who can barely move their faces?! Do you even Star Wars? She was not interesting at all. Yoda proved to the audience that he was wise and had seen some shit, Maz did not say anything remotely enlightening. She was a complete throwaway character.
I actually really enjoy the prequels and am not afraid to say it. I don't say shit to people that disagree because I respect their opinions, something they never do. So if you like the Star Wars prequels, be honest about it and ignore the trolls and bullies that masturbate when they make people kill themselves on the internet. Fuck them, there's plenty of us out there that watched the prequels as kids and enjoyed them as much as the original trilogy. Looking back at them, I can see the flaws, but still appreciate a lot of good aspects like the scenery, introduction of planets(Naboo was fucking beautiful), I loved the way everything looked, from the costumes to the villains like Jango Fett, Darth Maul and General Greivous. Qui-Gon Jin was an amazing fucking jedi, and Obi-Wan was perfect. Jar-Jar actually makes me laugh a few times, he's mostly retarded, but I liked when he shocked himself in the face and jammed his hand and couldnt talk right. And I think the racist shit was taken WAY out of proportion, Star wars has introduced thousands of different species, if one of them wants to be ghetto then so be it. And Jar Jar wasn't even that racist, nor were the gungans.
I am the same as you with the Prequels. But Jar Jar is a weak character, even though I don't get pissed off like most people about Binks, I still think he's a weak character. Unless he is Darth Jar Jar, now that would be cool.
MOSHI MOSHI SEX PLEASE there's a difference between not liking a movie and going out of your way to make people that did like the movie to feel bad for liking it. Those are the haters.
The similarities are a positive not a negative. This movie introduces some amazing themes such as moving on from the past, correcting mistakes, legacy, reincarnation and the way they introduced these themes into the story and characters was completely original. If you say you like digging deep into things then dig deep, don't just notice that something is there and not explore why
I think the biggest gripe I have is that they made it a huge point that the movie was going to ignore the Expanded Universe. That led me to believe that the movie was going to tell its own original story, and I was excited for that. Instead, J.J. played it safe and redressed Episode IV with prettier colors. In the beginning, I was super excited for this movie. I watched all the trailers, I followed all the news, and then I got tickets for opening night and saw it with a bunch of friends. Never have I experienced such a sharp descent from excitement to utter disappointment. The only other thing that comes close to being this disappointing is Mighty No. 9. So, from one internet stranger to another, I'm glad you enjoyed the film. I just wish there was something about it I could enjoy.
+hawkeye pierce It's not the fact that it's Star Wars-y. It's the fact that essentially the plot boils down to a near carbon copy of A New Hope. Strange robot crash lands on planet carrying vital data, is found by a farmer/scavenger (aka the 'hero') longing for a different life but who is tied down by family ties, hero is forced to leave by intervention of evil galactic superpower and start their adventure, hero finds the scoundrel who provides transport and acts as a slightly more world wise sidekick, hero is rescued by the mentor who reveals to them the importance of the data they've found and begins to train the hero, mentor leads hero into a confrontation with the superpower and then dies in the process, hero pledges themselves to the Rebel Alliance, finds hidden inner Force power and uses it to save the day, superpower's superweapon is destroyed, but not before taking out a token target that's only meant to showcase how evil they are... Force Awakens is literally just a rehashing of A New Hope with different faces taking on the older archetypal roles we were introduced to in ANH, with the only difference being that those archetypes can be occupied by single or multiple characters and those roles can be swapped between during the movie. Take Finn, for example. The man swaps between the hero and scoundrel roles throughout the movie, as well as becoming the princess at the end, sitting by helplessly while the hero fights to save them from the superpower. Am I saying that it's a bad thing? No, I quite liked the movie. However, I found myself disappointed when I realized that after a certain point I could guess what was going to happen because I'd seen ANH and knew what the end results for those character archetypes would be. I knew Han would die because I'd seen Obi-Wan die, and I knew that it would be the trigger for the hero to finally put their all into the fight against the superpower. I would have liked to have seen the plot break from tradition in this manner, to have thrown in some unexpected twists and turns, perhaps even to veer off from the older plot entirely in order to create new opportunities for fresh stories. At the same time though, I can understand why they did it. The prequels, whilst initially successful (and rather good, if you ask me, at least from the perspective of someone who grew up watching them) left a VERY sour taste in the SW fan base's mouth. Couple this with the Disney takeover, and you have a lot of hardcore Star Wars fans very worried about where the franchise would go and whether they would continue to support it. So, to reassure them and to win them over, whilst at the same time introducing SW to a new generation, they decided to do the soft reboot in order to ease fans back into things. Do I wish it had been a different story, a fresh plot? Of course I do. But I'm happy with what I got. Besides, this film made Stormtroopers both funny and fearsome once more. And it gave us TR-8R. Who can hate a film that does that?
Similar? Yes… Too Similar? No… I think TFA had the perfect blend of nostalgia for the long time, die hard fans and a reboot of the saga for the new, next generation of Star Wars fans.
They wanted it so much to be like the originals,....its got zero originality! Its just elements of the original movies, stitched together to form some Frankenstein nostalgic money making movie.
My big problem with TFA is that the movie felt like they were shoving star wars in my face to tug at my heartstrings, not because they wanted to make a great movie. -Need a sand planet? Gotchu covered -Need a Foresty planet with some ancient temple base? Gotchu covered -Need a Cantina scene where we show off some Aliens? Gotchu covered - Need a Giant death orb space station? Gotchu covered A lot of it felt a little too forced from my perspective I woulda preferred them going forward and creating new interesting worlds and environments without having to rely on the original films so heavily. But that's just me being a whiny manbaby, hopefully episode 8 is better.
+Rom The Waste of Space Knight I think once the trilogy is complete there will be a very different perspective towards TFA We need to see the bigger picture. For the first time in a while, we see a star wars movie, but we can't just pop in the next disc or rent the next one to see how the characters develop. I think this movie is just a cute introduction, like A New Hope felt like a fun little adventure, but then in the next movies the real shit goes down, things are explained over time, and you see characters change a ton. I still loved this movie though, especially the first 40 minutes
It used the same elements in a different way in respect to the first movie. I don't think Disney were maniacally laughing before it's release thinking how they'll fool us and make loads of money from us by remaking ANH. They did it on purpose in respect and recognition of the first movie
People hate episode 1 for not being like the original
People hate episode 7 for being too similar to the original
^^this
You can't make everybody happy :/ when I was a kid I enjoyed the prequels but not as much as the original trilogy and episode 7 was a great fan service !
+Knightguard1
When trying to win over fandoms, it's always a lose lose situation.
Yes but different people hate it for different reasons which is acceptable
+Knightguard1 And? Is it somehow wrong to believe two different extremes are wrong? I don't like being outside during the winter when it gets below freezing, but I also find that scorching heat can be just as uncomfortable.Besides, don't try to say those are the only reasons why people didn't like these movies.
One big difference between Luke and Rey, that I have not heard anyone mention, is that Luke couldn't wait to get off of his planet, whereas Rey didn't want to leave hers.
^^^^^^
Exactly! Luke and Rey are totally different characters and the only similarity between them is that they're from desert planets and they both have The Force. Luke is a farmboy who has loved with his aunt and uncle his whole life doing, well, farm work. He can't wait to get off his boring homeworks and find adventure. Rey on the other hand has no one. She has lived a rough life fending for herself since day one. She's no bright eyed yuppie kid like Luke, she knows how things go down in the wilds and in the backdoors of trading posts. She's been scavenging and fighting her whole life just waiting for the day the parents she never knew come home.
I was just about to make this comment. I completely agree.
Also Rey can kinda do just about anything the plot needs her to and was immediately able to powerfully manifest the Force and beat the more "experienced" villains ass. Plus her personality was she's.... spunky?
I liked the Force Awakens and it made steps in the right direction, but it felt shallow and safe. Hopefully the next movie steps it up a notch now that things are established.
+J.E. Rice probably because the sand on Jakku isn't coarse and rough and doesn't get everywhere
I LOVED The Force Awakens. I'm just posing a question here, folks.
I agree, it's a big reboot, but that's not a bad thing
+HelloGreedo The Force Awakens really just got my excited to see Episode 8. I think 8's story will be much more unique but I wouldn't be surprised if it was our hero's lowest point. That's just how trilogies work.
You're just a childish and dumb fanboy!!! The Force Awakens was GARBAGE!!!!!
Just kidding, I loved it too. Great video!
+Darth Vader lord vader
I completely agreed with this video! :)
Episode I and IV were similar
Female that is royalty (Leia/ Padme)
Skywalker from Tatooine
A Jedi getting Skywalker off of Tatooine
Skywalker helping the female character
A Sith Lord after the female character
A climatic space battle
The Elderly Jedi getting killed by said Sith
ending celebration
OK.
+jediking12 If you keep it vague, you can just about say anything is similar to something else.
+jediking12 but the plot wasn't all that similar other than the driving force of trying to get vital information to a higher power
It's like poetry, sort of. They rhyme
There was more to complain about in ep. 1 (and tbh, there was more variety too than compared to ep. 7)
Of course not. Not too similar, at least. The only thing that bothered me was Death Star 3.0.
same
+(Permanent Placeholder) I think it could have been a good thing if used properly sadly it was poorly used it's like it doesn't even matter so in the movie we have this giant planet that can destroy entire star systems and nobody seems to give a fuck!! seriously the charcters are basically like oh look another giant ball that can destroy planets lets go destroy it again I think Ep. VII should have just focused on the charcters and the universe in general then maybe intrudce Starkiller base in the sequels and make it look like a serious threat
+(Permanent Placeholder) yep, they should really stop
+(Permanent Placeholder) Totally agree, they should have done something far more creative. I don't mind the other similarities, though. Effin' LOVED this movie!
+(Permanent Placeholder) They're building Starkiller Base again for Episode 8. I swear to god if I see another fucking Deathstar or Starkiller base or fucking ball in the sky.
Force Awakens is the only movie ever that made me feel like a kid and an adult.
As much as I love the movie, I think it's unfair to claim that anyone who doesn't dig the movie is "just looking for something to complain about." It's a valid critique and those folks are entitled to an opinion.
yeah but you have to admit they are a lot of people like that
geromino97 Oh yeah, just don't like generalizations.
Of course If you sit there and try to find every similar thing, you'll find plenty. But look at all the differences, there are a lot.
Yessss
Elias Gonzalez preach 🙏🏻
Elias Gonzalez so??? Just because you find differences when you look for them, doesn't mean it's okay to do it. TFA overdid it, they copied most of ANH's main plot points. They did change a few things here and there but mostly they did the same movie. I'm not going to bother counting all of them because it'd take a lot of time, but they had so many similarities. It's not okay. It had some new elements, but it was really lazy and unoriginal.
Okan Draman cry about it lol
Yeah, but those differences doesn't change the fact that TFA is still a ripoff of the OG movie. The similarities still outweigh the differences.
I don't get why people say that the prequels weren't liked for being different. The new planets, species, ships, and in general the new stories and things happening were all great. Those weren't the problems.
Exactly. It was the shitty writing, acting, directing, visuals, etc.
It depends on you as a person. do you like story and plot or characters and writing etc part of movies if you like story, youll like the prequels the most if you charcter dev, writing etc then youll like ot
The plot points were way too similar. Abram's really shit the bed with it.
We shouldn't be asking for a soft reboot, but a good SEQUEL. And this movie would have been without Starkiller Base and too many similarities. The characters could have carried any plot they made which they did.
So yeah, I'm very annoyed at the similarities. It should not have been that way at all. I wanted the OT feeling, not the entire plot. I am hoping Episode 8 takes a sharp turn and isn't a rehash of TESB
The problem with 7 for me was the lack of creativity. Sure it was cool to have star wars back, but the force awakens lacked anything "new" to the franchise. Everything had already been done before. Sure you can hate on the prequels, but at least Lucas had creativity and added new and interesting things (pod racing, geonosis)
Which is why the fanbase VICIOUSLY tore George asunder in response to his “Originality”
They Originally were thinking of making Jakku a Swamp planet!
then it wouldve been compared to Dagobah. Theres really no winning
Mos Eisley and Maz’s castle are definitely physically and structurally similar, but there’s a different emotional context. In 4 the scene ends on a high note for our heroes because they’ve gained new allies who know how to handle themselves, in 7 it ends on a low note with our heroes getting split up. Plus Rey has a vision from Anakin’s lightsaber which is unlike anything ever seen in Star Wars, so I think the two scenes each work in their own ways. Similar yes, but it’s an homage for a reason. TFA is an homage to the whole OT
ANH and TFA are too similar. The internet's new dead horse to beat.
TFA was MEANT to be a "return to form"
Yeah... great form it returned to. The haters got this one 100% correct sorry to say.
It's classic. I love The Force Awakens and A New Hope.
You love it simply because the main character has a vagina or because she beats the bad guy after a broken spine?
Quin Skew and yet you wonder why you're single
Im here 4 years later.
My biggest gripe with the movie was Starkiller Base. The thing that annoyed me the most about it, was that they amped it up. I feel like having another Death Star could have been okay if it had been amped down, but they amped it up instead to a ridiculous scale. Having it survive for more than one movie would have also made it less annoying, but I suppose they wanted to mirror ANH and also have some fireworks at the end of the movie. None of the other similarities to other Star Wars movies bothered me at all.
+BlameItOnGreg Yeah Starkiller base is retarded. I was hoping till the last second that it wont get destroyed completely, but I was dissapointed :(
Not to mention it makes zero sense in the Star Wars universe, I mean seriously, hyperspace superlasers that split up and target every single moon and planet!?? What the fuck?
Then you'd have people complaining about how underwhelming and non-threatening it was, if it were "amped down".
The fact that it was just "a bigger one" was at-least a clever nod to the audience.
NDfor SPDadsdas Yeah, but this movie didnt need a superweapon. *Period*. Not an amped down one, just no space pokeballs at all.
See, its like poetry. They rhyme.
Even George Lucas said it himself. It’s poetry it rhymes.
I totally agree with you, I understand why people would be annoyed with the similarities but it didn't stop me from loving the movie
I personally loved the Force Awakens. It was the first star wars movie I saw in the theaters. I had a blast! Yes it had similarities with the original trilogy that the whole point was to bring it back to it's roots and it did it perfectly.
"The prequels were nothing like the ot"
"Tfa is too similar to the ot"
Kms
+The Riverman (Mothy) what does kms mean
Killing my self
+The Riverman (Mothy) oh thanks
People don't like the prequels because they're bad movies.
Isaac Anderson Animations they're hated because they're bad? Is that your best reason? Because they're bad?
It doesn't matter to me it's still going to be one of my favorite movies of all time.
+joestar21 It's my second favourite Star Wars film just behind Empire
same
+Sam Carver It's my third favourite, after Attack of the Clones and Phantom Menace
same
+Deadlyassassin it's called opinion
Watch Chris Stuckmann video's called the Star Wars formula, he has some great arguments regarding this topic.
My favourite scene is still Poe and Finn's escape. In just a few minutes they formed a better relationship and had better chemistry than any set of characters in the entirety of the prequels.
Same !!
The Phantom Menace is also pretty simillar to A New Hope: A boy is rescued from a desert planet, a queen/princess is kidnapped and then rescued, space battle that destroys a huge round spaceship, the wise old master dies, there's a celebration at the end...
I think The Force Awakens actually turns this formula around a little in some aspects, like the characters.
I would much rather them literally play Episode IV for episode VII then have episode VII be bad.
Indeed
+Henbush8 ALL Abrams had to do was work with Lucas and work out the story arc and finer details of the whole thing and then say, "Great! Thanks! See you at the premiere!", go finish the final draft of the script and shoot the movie. But obviously he and/or Disney wanted to make glorified fan-fic instead. : P
ComeOnIsSuchAJoy It was likely Disney. It was Disneys fault that there was another death star because they wanted the merchendising.
+ComeOnIsSuchAJoy That actually DID happen. Lucas had a bunch of ideas for VII-IX that he passed on to Disney. Except instead of polishing up Lucas' vision, everyone involved thought it was terrible (the rumors, so don't take this as fact, was that it was supposed to be similar to the prequels to make it come full circle; re-establishing the Republic and Senate, having a reverse family arc where one of the offspring goes dark but is brought back, new silly aliens, etc. Basically, The Phantom Menace meets ROTJ). Then they brought in a new writer who also did a terrible job, but at least created a basic foundation to work on. Abrams and Kasdan took the script and decided to take these new ideas, expanded on them and worked them tangibly around a soft reboot to give fans what they wanted, and it worked. But the main point is that no one involved liked Lucas's idea for the next trilogy so they decided to go another way, which speaks volumes.
Rob Nevico (NOTE: this post assumes everything you say is true) So, again, basically they preferred mediocre fan-fic wrapped in an extensive Episode IV rehash with a Mary Sue lead, a male lead only there to make said Mary Sue look even better, a massive disconnect to the previous movie in the series, new developments to the returning OT characters that didn't ring true given their OT arcs, contradictions to various SW lore established by Lucas himself, and an excess of winks to the OT that were so painfully self-aware the characters might as well have broken the fourth wall and said to us viewers, "Hey, remember this?" : P
I find it hard to believe Michael Arndt - writer of "Little Miss Sunshine" and "Toy Story 3" - did a 'terrible' job. I also recall Lucas' own biographer reading his VII-IX outlines back in the day and thinking they were brilliant -- even better than I-III or X-XII (yes, there's apparently a fourth trilogy as well). Let's face it: everyone involved in the movie's upper hierarchy was sooooo petrified of having a repeat of the prequel drama that they completely hedged all their bets; they played it completely and utterly safe... because, of course, it's easier -- and more financially rewarding. [roll eyes] Working directly WITH Lucas through the story arc **might've** actually resolved a lot of their concerns.
And, again, Lucas has ALWAYS maintained these are *kids'* movies. I'm sorry to all my fellow Gen-Xers, but WE'RE NO LONGER THE TARGET AUDIENCE of these movies. It's not my fault the MPAA has gotten so ridiculously conservative over the last 25 years (I still think both this and ROTS would've easily gotten PG ratings - albeit hard PGs - back in the late '80s -- hell, ANH and TESB would also probably be PG-13 today). : P 'Silly' aliens? Frankly, a lot of the new aliens/creatures in this movie didn't look 'Star Wars-y' at all to me; Unkar Plutt, the rathtars, that alien on whose lap the First Order spy was sitting in Maz's castle, and that giant pig snout creature on Jakku all immediately spring to mind. DUNE or STARGATE, maybe, but *not* SW. And not a **single** 'classic' SW alien anywhere??? No Rodians, or Twi'leks, or Aqualishes, or Grans, etc.? (I'm not counting the 3 returning OT heroes that fit this bill - Chewie the Wookiee, Admiral Ackbar the Mon Calamari, and Nien Nunb the Sullustan.)
As I've heard someone say on one of these comment sections, with the prequels, Lucas at least got the story right; it was nearly every other aspect on which he dropped the ball... whereas, here, Abrams and Disney did the *exact opposite*. And, of course, unfortunately for them, story is THE most important thing about SW, if you ask me. But, alas, SW has apparently also now fallen into that same sort of *"We want the SAME THING!! Only DIFFERENT!!!"* mentality that moviegoers now hold for virtually all movie franchises. There's no profit in originality anymore. : P
Look at Terminator 2, for example. The plot was much the same as the original, yet nobody ever says a word about it.
Chenyuan Xie Agreed, to a large extent, but look at how both T1 and T2 begin and finish. Both protectors must protect Sarah and John, then at the end they all end up in a big vehicle crash, damaging both parties in a steel mill area. Both amazing movies, but you can see the similarities if you look
rockys201 cause it was actually good
Doesn't that go for any terminator movie?
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade got a lot of the same "it's a copy of the original" shit when it came out, and now it's considered the best in the series by some.
rockys201 *cough* back to the future part 2 *cough*
The Force Awakens made me appreciate The Phantom Menace for the first time.....In The Phantom Menace you see a real effort to build a new story......The Force Awakens is nice but is just a remake transposed in time.
If you look at TPM the same way most people who have problems with TFA do with TFA, you will notice that The Phantom Menace is also basically the same plot.
+Magic Patagonia The Phantom Menace had similarities to A New Hope to. There's a person who lives on a desert planet that has a very unimportant life and finds some people that completely change their lives, at first one of the good guys doesn't like the main character, but then becomes good friends with them, then their original mentor gets killed in a lightsaber battle and then they destroy the bad guy's base, and then they party about the fact they defeated the bad guys.
+Lexie Sure...but not at the extreme of TFA......at least in TPM you can feel the intention to show new things, new designs, different characters, different planet imaginery, a different scale of the story..... etc....they failed in a lot of things.....but the intention and risk is appreciated.....I don't see a single risk in The Force Awakens....and that really adds no flavor to the cake.
+Nathan Andrews Sure...but not at the extreme of TFA......at least in TPM you can feel the intention to show new things, new designs, different characters, different planet imaginery, a different scale of the story..... etc....they failed in a lot of things.....but the intention and risk is appreciated.....I don't see a single risk in The Force Awakens....and that really adds no flavor to the cake.
Again it's sorta like poetry, it rhymes.
How about how Luke's actions are a completely different character than what we saw in the OT. OT Luke would have gone to fix his mistakes and do what he could, not leave the fate of the galaxy up to others and go "eh, not my problem."
It's very simple. If this is the only movie I get for another 10 or 20 years, I would be pissed that they really didn't do anything new or fresh, that they played it safe.
But there is a Star Wars movie in post-production, another in production, another in pre-production, and another 2 announced, and probably many many more in the pipeline, so I don't really care. In fact I liked that everything was so familiar.
Episodes I-III tried too hard to be it's own story that most of its charm was lost for not being similar to Ep. IV-VI.
Episode VII was made to introduce new characters while at the same time keeping the story and plot elements very familiar.
I also see the similarities compared to A New Hope, but I'm not really bothered by it that much. To me it felt like an enhanced remake of the mythos with elements of IV and V.
Episode I-III didn't fail just because it was different. It failed because how they executed it, all these unnecacery parts like well, the whole first episode and too much focusing on the love story of episode 2 with terrible acting, too much of CGI and Jar Jar... The clone wars TV show, especially since the beginning of the third season has improved on all of this, the story is way different from the OT but people loved it much more than Rebels ever will be.
The overall story is amazing if you think about it and the storylines have are and have much more potential to be really interesting and amazing than those from the OT era. It's not the story that failed but the execution.
+Arek15Arek thank you! I completely agree. It's the execution of the prequels that people hate. From bad dialogue, acting, and pacing, to way to much CGI in episodes 2&3. Clone wars proves that people don't care that the prequels aren't like the OT.
TFA haters be like:
"I hate this Star Wars movie because it's too much like a Star Wars movie!"
LMAO TRUUUU
I don't like tfa but not because it looks so much like a new hope but because Maz Kanata is just stupid plothole orange cgi crap pixels (she is the same as jar jar is to phantom menace) and Finn being able to fight kylo ren is just stupid....
Seriously they could've made Maz kanata anything from the established awesome races but no they have to make her complete cgi puppet orange yoda bland lookalike.
Maz Katana is NOTHING like Jar Jar.
Lmao soooo fucking true
No people dislike it for shitty boring characters, Mary Sue as a main character, lame acting, rehashed and very predictable story, stupid dialogue, boring action scenes, terrible plotholes, deus ex machine and for breaking established laws of the SW. The movie is a mess. The only good thing about it are visuals and they failed even in this and brought another stupid looking CGI characters and monsters. It was by far the worst SW movie.
I just don't get this kind of fans of Star Wars and this kind of opinions. So, in the prequels they created new worlds, new planets, new characters, new ideas, new ways to expand the SW universe and you hated. And now, they do exactly the same but with differences and you love it. I liked TFA but I think they could've created and imagined like EVERYTHING? It looks like the kind of plot of a 10 fanboy dream. I just don't get it, sincerely.
+Jorge Gutiérrez You can create as many new things as you want, but if the movie is dull, boring, and fails to connect with the viewer...then none of that matters.
+HelloGreedo Just don't be as nitpicky as Cinemasins
+HelloGreedo I would argue that TFA falls under the category of dull and boring because it is so similar to Episode IV. The amount of callbacks were a barrier to enjoying the film. I normally wouldn't mind the references if the film had good writing, but it has terrible writing. Here are a few examples: Why does Finn defect out of nowhere? Why does Rey keep BB-8 when she is desperate for food? Why does Kylo Ren have the light side call him when he has no issue killing people and ordering a village to be slaughtered? Why does Rey master so many force abilities within such a short amount of time? I could go on...
+HelloGreedo some of it connected. hopefully the next movies will be more original. Personally I was very disappointed with TFA. I enjoyed BB8 though
+Jorge Gutiérrez I agree with you. I like the prequel more than TFA.
I feel like they made the plot rather similar to keep things safe. If the plot was going to be completely different to the original trilogy then it would probably face even more criticism. this is evident with the prequel trilogy. Hopefully the next Star Wars will branch out a bit more with the storyline
Heck, I respect J. J Abrams for not using shoving Luke into the fore front, that takes guts. If I had the chance to direct it, the new characters would have been overshadowed by the old. But J. J didn't do that, he set them up perfectly in a similar story but inhabited by different and new characters. So when Episode VIII comes, Luke won't totally overshadow Rey, we'll be interested to see the both of them.
I'm that one star wars fan who likes and doesn't complain about battlefront and loves the force awakens
Same here brother, real star wars fans dont complain
+senseiofawesom1(carter) Count me in
+senseiofawesom1(carter) Same
***** they are actually the best things to come from Disney buying star wars so far
+senseiofawesom1(carter) Me too!
Is it too similar? yeah. do i still like it? yeah. do i like it as much as the originals? no
You said it all, man.
IMO it had a bit too many rehashed plotpoints.
And too little actual new stuff.
Rian Johnson, pls retcon the destruction of the New Republic.
I don't think the republic is *completely* destroyed, and I sincerely hope the scene being shot in Croatia is a city in the republic (dunno how it'd make sense but given the way the city looks, who knows). I want to think that scene was purposely made to make us think it was completely annihilated, similar to the first death star and the empire.
Ryan Meaker
Yeah, it would be ridiculous if the entirety of the New Republic got destroyed when they blew up the Hosnian System.
They must be more branched out than that.
Eirikur no they only destroyed most of the new rebuild fleet and all of it's central government planets
By the way the same people who are complaining about this are the same ones who use ring theory to prop up the prequels
I think you're putting too much stock in the "Someone will always complain" argument. That argument assumes either people who are complaining are too disagreeable to like any version of the film or some people wouldn't have liked a version of the movie that doesn't exist.
When I heard there was a new Star Wars movie, I just wanted a NEW Star Wars movie. What's the point waiting 10 years for a movie I'v basically already seen? What's the point of having a story 30 years after Jedi if the rebels/empire dynamic hasn't changed? Were Mon Mothma and the Republic sitting on their hands for 30 years? Why is there still an Empire? Doesn't this make the celebration at the end of Jedi a moot point if the Empire is still around? It was that and Starkiller Base that broke it for me. Star Wars is almost 40 years old, since then we've had movies, novels, comics, video games, t.v. series, and most of that is now non-canonical. And yet with the wealth of lore and a clean slate, I end up watching a movie that's decidedly a copy of the original trilogy. You may say this franchise needed a soft reboot, I think it needed a hard break. Star Wars needs to step away from the shadow of the original trilogy, away from the Lucas era, and be something distinctly different.
The movies are similar yes, but many people think that it's a complete remake. Which is just an exaggeration.
After watching episode 4 again, recently. The similarities aren't as bad as I thought.
Honestly, I could write a research paper on the sheer number of differences between the two movies. Abrams himself confirmed that the similarities were intentional homages meant to pay tribute to what came before and reintroduce the saga to a new generation. When you think about it, however, the similarities that were there, though obvious, were also pretty vague. Yeah, Tatooine and Jakku are both desert planets; the Cantina and Maz's temple both serve as bars; R2-D2 and BB-8 are both droids given missions to deliver information to groups of freedom fighters. Does that mean they're ripping the original off? No. Why? Because the Star Wars universe encompasses an entire galaxy worth of systems. Nobody should be surprised that there's more than one desert planet, or that there's more than one bar. Hell, we saw a bar in Episode II on Coruscant. That planet could've had countless bars. Sure, they facilitated vaguely similar purposes, but the way things went down in each were pretty different overall. I also seriously doubt R2 was the first droid the Rebels entrusted with valuable information, and I'm sure BB-8 won't be the last droid the Resistance trusts to perform a similar task. It's like HelloGreedo stated, R2 was carrying the technical readouts to the Death Star while BB-8 was carrying the missing piece of the map to locate Luke. Delivering the Death Star plans was the main objective throughout the majority of A New Hope. Delivering the map to Luke was a background goal which served as a mcguffin. It was a side mission, but not the main objective. A lot of similar plot points between the two aren't even original to Star Wars. There have been countless other stories utilizing similar plot points both before and since. Does that mean they're ripping each other off? Of course not. It's just how their stories were structured. The similarities in no way bother me, and I certainly don't see them as a negative. J.J. and crew showed their respect for the original and paved the way for the adventures to come. Still my favorite film of last year and a worthy addition to my favorite film series.
Star Wars Episode 7: Rise of the Minorities
Yes so true
+Horse Man Oh get over it racist. America is diverse and it always will be. If it pisses you off so much, make your own Star Wars movie. The Northern Agressors can be the Empire and good ol' Confederate Skywalker can come along with his slave carrying the plans that Darth Lincoln has been after. Come on do it. If you do a good job, you might get a 2/10.
+KingLink95 How is that racist?
+Horse Man
Rise? You call a black dude working as a janitor rising?
Horse Man Because you are butthurt that the whole cast isn't White Males.
A quick comment here:
One thing I wanted different, or new, out of Sequel Trilogy was a different villain; someone who could possibly be even better than Vader was. I think Kylo Ren filled this desire perfectly. One thing that had set him apart from Vader was, for one his lashing out with his lightsaber in rage or anger instead of just exclusively force choking out an officer like we've seen Vader do. I hope that he keeps that trait in the following movies. If he had just exclusively force choked out officers, people would be bitching "OHHH, HE'S JUST ANOTHER VADER RIPOFF."
I think that the physical similarities between the Death Star and Starkiller base are the only thing to gripe about considering the first order is a continuation of the Empire, which was trying to achieve total control over the galaxy and went to the lengths of building the Death Star because obviously it was crucial to their plans. As stated, fear will keep the systems in line, fear of the Death Star. It was made to decrease rebellion using fear of total planetary destruction, wiping out whole governing systems.
With the total annihilation of a giant governing mega force in 7, it is ridiculous no one understands this and how crucial A Death Star is in taking completely over like that. It's like dropping a million nukes on an entire continent and ending any and all potential war against you, and it was the point Lucas wanted to get across, who was inspired by tyrannical powers like the Nazi party to make the Empire in the first place. It's one of the reasons the series is even called Star Wars in the first place.
I could agree with complaints about its destruction happening in the first film maybe, as maybe they should have waited till 8 to figure this all out with Luke, inverting the order of titles with the mega weapon in it, especially if they plan to rebuild it in 8 or 9. However, maybe they wanted to get it out of the way and do something else for 8 and 9.
You keep telling that the similarities "don't bother" you. And that bothers me. That's not a valid point you're making. You're just saying that you are totally fine with the fact that they didn't take any risks. You're saying that the characters are what's important, but even the characters are pretty much the same. You keep saying that Rey is relatable. Yeah, that's because she's Luke. A character with great potential that is living on a desert planet until an event outside of his control sends him in space in the Millenium Falcon. If you're going to argue that "characters drive story", fine. But they are the same characters and they are doing the same things they did in A New Hope. So the end result is that it's the same story. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie, but Episode VIII can't be great if it's a "soft reboot" of Empire. If you don't take risks, then these movies will fall into the abysses of cinema history in ten years tops.
+MestariDuff Probably because she is a Skywalker she is similar to Luke.
You are wrong my friend. Rey and Luke are COMPLETELY different characters.
Rey is competent, and kind of street smart, but she is also vulnerable and scared. She is also not too selfish and she is very compassionate. She is very hopeful and she's a massive enthusiast of myths and legends about Han Solo or Luke Skywalker. Despite living a trashy lifestyle, she wants to go back to that life as she has faith her family will return. She dreams of adventure but never wants to actually go on one herself.
Luke on the other hand is quite a sheltered, whiny teenager, who doesn't really start off with much hope and believes his uncle controls his life. Despite living a decent lifestyle, he is unhappy with it. He is eager for adventure, and tries to seize every chance he gets at it. He can't wait for his life to change. He isn't a particularly caring person, but he soon learns to care for his friends. He is also not particularly vulnerable or afraid at times, or he's never too nervous.
Asadmah Productions I thought of some of these already i mainly mean't both being strong with the force and desert planet comparison. Good points made though
Bakir AL-Fetlawi And wouldn't that be exactly what's wrong about how every Star Wars movie as been writen since after Episode 5? Making everything and everyone being connected to each other. Making it some kind of massive plan of the Force... I miss the time when Star Wars was the story of people who got thrown in an adventure in the middle of a war that was bigger then them. Now Star Wars just seems like the whole universe is organized around the Skywalkers...
MestariDuff Empire kinda did that with Vader. Imo thats when SW became Skywalker centric. I'd prefer Rey to not be Lukes daughter but trained by him instead as it would make sense. I do think there is overusage of the Skywalker lineage which is why I like Rebels.
You ever going to switch to a First Order helmet when they begin hitting the market?
Come on dude. First order Stormtrooper helmet is cool and all, but it aint the classic helmet and it doesn't look nearly as good. At least in my opinion.
The only time during the movie where i had noticed the similarities between ANH and TFA was when they were going to destroy starkiller base, and more specifically the trench run. I remember debating with my friends whether or not it would have been more interesting if the rebels had actually lost instead of destroying it. It would have been like the battle of Endor, but the trap had actually worked and the majority of the New Republic fleet had been destroyed. It would have made the First Order look more terrifying than the previous enemy and set up the rise of a new threat more dramatic.
Episode 2 had a bar, episode 4 had a bar, episode 7 had a bar.
Episode 1, qui-gon dies, episode 4, obiwan dies, episode 7, han solo dies.
original trilogy, Vader with 1 saber blade, prequels, maul with 2 saber blades, sequels, kylo with 3 saber blades.
prequels had the republic and the separatists, originals had the empire and the rebellion, sequels had the first order and the resistance.
prequels, Jango fett. originals, boba fett. sequels, phasma.
Republic Clone Troopers, Imperial Stormtroopers, First Order Stormtroopers.
Anakins gets his arm cut off. Luke gets his hand cut off. Rey gets a limb cut off??
Anakin and padme, Solo and Leia, Rey and Poe??
Star wars follows a formula. notice?
+Noel Looez Glad I'm not the only one that noticed this.
+Noel Looez But people try to blame it on the newest thing in the franchise. Some people are saying "Hey I think the prequels are better, because they were at least completely original"
No, all of them follow a formula, and that does not affect my enjoyment of the film.
NAL Lopez Finn and Poe
I liked The Force Awakens and I don't give a fuck if people don't like it and go on about how bad it is.
Does it make you feel big to post empty threats like that?.
Darth Maul apprentice review needed!
I saw The Force Awakens six times. The only complaint I have is not seeing Leia with a lightsaber. XD
Why would she have a lightsaber lol?
She was never training in the ways of the force. It wouldn't make sense
+Mike Swan Luke said he's teach her the ways of the force. Shame after 30 years she's not had any noticeable training
Mike Swan She was a Jedi in the comics, which would make sense because two Jedi are better than one. Leia and Luke should know that so Luke should have trained her in the movie's story.
ByATWL She's a Jedi in the now non-canon comics. :(
They really aren't that similar. There are definitely tons of call backs, but all the similarities are so small, besides death star 3, which was the only bad thing. Even like the trench run. In a new hope the trench run was an integral part of the ending, they used it as cover because it was the only way to get to where they needed to go, otherwise they would've had no chance. In TFA, they used a trench on the ground for a couple seconds as a minor tactical advantage. All the similarities are like that. The most similar thing about Luke's and Reys upbringing was sand. Luke was a farmer who lived a pretty comfortable life with with his aunt and uncle. Rey spent all her time scavenging just to stay alive. Luke had every intention to get off the planet, and Rey wanted to stay there, and even wanted to go back after she left. There are a lot of similarities, small ones. The point was to give fans something really familiar while at the same time something completely new, and i think it succeeded quite well. Saying it's just a rehash of a new hope is the dumbest, most ignorant thing you could say about it.
The Force Awakens kinda felt like a character study to me: we develop our experiences and understanding with Rey and Finn, who are our protagonists. And we also see how Chewy and Han's relationship has grown.
The similarities never bothered me; I think it's because I can symphasise with the fact that J.J. had to reignite a franchise that had been needing a great movie since 1983.
" Rey is relatable" HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA. That's FINN.
well the idea of thinking positive that the good news can came at some point without standing and fight for your own goals, is kind a relative thing that most people can experience in their lives. heck have you seen silver living playbook they do that too
theres to many ways to been related to a character not just been week, cause that not always work. im looking at you shia labeouf from trasformers
You basically said it all, I see all the similarities and how people see it as a negative, But they wanted to bring you back to the original trilogy and revive Star Wars and introduce us to our new Characters and get us ready for the new trilogy, I cant wait for the next movie, Hell, I'm even pumped for Rouge one. Great Video!
2 minutes in and kinda questioning whether you're sick? No criticism to yhe content just wondering. To be honest it doesn't really matter but I'm just wondering.
+Michael Regan Can tell it in my voice? Yep. I'm getting over a little week-long fever, and on the tail end of a cold.
+HelloGreedo Hope you feel better soon man. Loved the video by the way, brought up a lot of good points and was very informative. I'm a big fan, I think I've been around from about 60 thousand subs and I from the UK.
+Michael Regan how did you spot that he is not well. I had no clue well done in hiding it. I agree with you
+paul “Bladedsquirrel” g I don't even know. I just heard his voice was like a bit off normal and the video was uploaded like 2 minutes prior to my comment so I asked and he replied and now we're here.
+HelloGreedo Hope you feel better soon.
I also loved TFA, but I feel that Jakku was lazy. I didn't complain about a desert planet, I complained about a planet that looked EXACTLY like Tatooine. They could have made Jakku with giant red rocks jutting from the ground, mountains as tall as skyscrapers, a slightly different color sand, something! But Jakku looked exactly like Tatooine, and that's why people complained.
Another difference I would like to point out between luke and rey is that luke always aspired to the force, wanted to learn it, accepted it immediately, enbraced it, while rey on the other hand didnt want that at first, ran away from it, and then only used it cause she needed, to escape. It was like her last resource. So yeah, thats a big thing right there in my opinion. Its the "omg I want to be jedi so bad, pls pls pls" versus the "I dont want these kinda things in my life, but I guess I'll have accept it and use it"
I just hated starkiller base. We knew it was gonna blow up, and it was kinda uneseccary
that means fuck
No. It's not a reboot. Reboot confusion is a big pet peeve of mine. The Force Awakens is a hard sequel.
+Jake Jones Agreed. A reboot is when a movie series starts over from scratch. "Batman Begins," "Casino Royale," "Star Trek" (2009), "The Amazing Spider-Man," "Man of Steel," etc., are all examples of a reboot -- *NOT* TFA.
I like the term 'homage'... which is a foreign word to the internet.
Starkiller Base should've survived the first movie to make a comeback in the second. Just like Darth Maul.
But TFA is still a wellmade and entertaining movie. Can't wait to own it on Blu-Ray.
well one of the rebels said it would criple the station. it blew up not cripled lol.
It's a simple formula: include tons of similarities in order to emphasize the differences. The point is showing how far the series has come from its origins. It's meant to recapture the old feel of Star Wars while simultaneously giving it a new direction for fans to be excited for.
It's not bad, it's a strategy for a very specific effect. They wanted that duality, and I think they did it great.
Episode I: Obi Wan says No! when Qui Gon gets killed by Darth Maul.
Episode IV: Luke says No! when Obi Wan gets "killed" by Darth Vader.
Episode VII: Rey says No! when Han Solo gets killed by Kylo Ren.
Yeah I saw similarities but I didn't care because It was enjoyable. The writing was definitely better than the prequels.
could you do a video about the discusion about if Rey is or isnt a Mary Sued?
+nachoolo i think he should make it yes
In my opinion luke was a mary sue too (in new hope) but no one complained cause well he is a man
+nachoolo Who cares if she is?
+Lucas Dossetto yes. from a farmboy to a X-Wing Pilot in 1 Hour. Luke is mary sue Confirmened!
or Anakin in episode 1.he could never fly and survive a podracing without the Force
yep but no one complained because they are boys .... so stupid anyway its a minority so we need to get over it and enjoy this new trilgy (srry for my bad english i'm french)
Leopard95
not me, but it would be an interesting video
Fantastic video. Exactly my thoughts!
A lot of elements of the plot are kind of the same, but the real meat of the content is how they spin everything. Both Rey and Luke are former children abandoned by their parents, but the difference between the two is that while Luke's story was about learning of his parents and their legacy, his arc isn't all about parental abandonment. Vader never shapes Luke into who he is, Luke is defined by how his aunt and uncle raised him, and his relationships with his friends. Luke is not defined by his being abandoned by his parents.
Rey, however, is defined by parental abandonment. The reason she's living on Jakku by herself in the first place is because she was abandoned as a child. Without wishing to spoil anything, a lot of her story actually revolves around finding replacements for her parents (specifically father figures). Luke had a normal life because he already had these things, but Rey did not.
I can't wait to see what they do here in the second movie.
Before seeing the movie, my initial thought about Jakku was that it would be a scrapyard planet, based off of the descriptions. It would've been cool to see people just scrambling across huge mountains made by passing ships dumping their own junk, or something like that. True, it would've required a lot of CG, but still!
I really liked the 3rd Death Star. I really felt the emotions of the people watching their planet's forthcoming doom. It touched me, and made me think about Death.
I personally wish that the Death Star did a lot of damage to the galaxy. Remember, Death Star 1 only blew up Alderaan, which wasn't even an important planet (from what I gather).
+Jacob Albrecht
Right this one really had a reasonable use for the First Order - five planets, most of the new republic. O.o
+General Hux people don't realize that the First order is actually like the rebels in episode 4. The first order was weak, so they enslaved kids and built a superweapon to compensate.
Jacob Albrecht
Right the First Order developed from a small group of former Empire soldiers to a powerfull threat in the unknown regions. There sure will be some books featuring this.
I liked the film personally. I do feel Starkiller Base could have been handled differently, or maybe not at all. The beginning was similar to IV, this is good, a familiar yet new scene for old fans. The middle had similarities to the old films, but enough new that it was a different story. If they hadn't of added Star killer base, I think people would have reacted better. Start the film similar then graduate to new and original material. Starkiller just went back to old too quick. But I enjoyed it anyway.
"Jakku is a ripoff of Tatooine because they're both desert planets!"
Here's a different statement with same "logic":
"Saturn is a ripoff of Jupiter because they're both gas giants!"
There was a concept that Jakku would've been a swamp planet which would've been cooler
+Big Boss Then it would be compared to Dagobah..
Ever notice how almost every Star Wars planet has the same climate throughout
+Marcus Petersen Tropical?
+Big Boss That's Kashyyk
I guess JJ Abrams wanted to take a safer route knowing the fact that Episode 1 received criticism for not being as orignal. People hate Force Awakens because it was too original? This abosolutely perplexes me...
+Pirate_of_Oakland as much like the original* Ep 1 was VERY original, and boring, and people disliked it for the stale acting and they wanted more original triligory stuff.
The only thing I really HATE about SW7 is the scene where they mention the garbage compactor
I think maybe it was a little too similar but i am still glad they played it safe on the first movie and established the world we love so much. They can take it their own direction in episode 8 and 9 !
+Star Wars Community
Don't encourage poor to no creativity, it is a crime against culture as a whole.
I give tfa 6 out of 10 portions.
HalfEatenMedia Why not 60 portions?
I thought it had similar plot points, but I watched them both recently and they had a very different feel
+Victor Baxter
Good point!
hell phantom menace has alot of similer plot points to new hope aswell.
joshua powell
Indeed!
It's just ridicolous when people say that it's too similar to A New Hope, if it were to have had a new plot the same people would have complained about that instead.
I agree that episode IV and episode VII are really similar, it's actually pretty close to a scene for scene remake:
R2D2-BB8
Hurried escape from the planet on the Millennium Falcon
Trash compactor monster-Rathtars
Bar scenes
Destruction of Alderaan-destruction of Hosnian system
Meeting with rebels about destroying death star- meeting with resistance about destroying starkiller base
Enemy prepares to fire on rebels-enemy prepares to fire on resistance
Interrogation of Leia-interrogation of Rey
Battle between Darth Vader and Obi-wan-Confrontation between Kylo Ren and Han Solo
Some scenes are out of order but there are way too many for it to pass unnoticed. I did notice all this while watching the movie, but like Greedo I don't think it's a problem. It was done exceedingly well, the characters were new and interesting, and you could feel the love of the Star Wars universe in each scene.
I've thought of it more as an homage to the first movie than simply copying it. More than anything, you can tell this was all very much intentional. It wasn't just to rip off episode IV and make a quick buck. It was to rekindle what we loved in Star Wars.
I overall really enjoyed Force Awakens. Was Force Awakens perfect? No. Did it recycle too much from a New Hope. Yes. Was it enjoyable and fun? Yes. I'm seeing so much hate for this movie in the comment section by angry ''fanboys'' and I honestly don't get it. Compared to the garbage boring, underwhelming flat Prequels. This is everything Star Wars is and needs to be. A fun adventurous space fantasy film with likable characters. Not a film about the taxation of trade routes, flat boring lifeless characters or boring space politics. Honestly speaking the only good thing to actually come out of the Prequels were their musical scores, and the Clone Wars TV show. I am looking forward to seeing what director Rian Johnson brings to the table in Episode VIII and I get the feeling he'll bring more originality to the next one.
I strongly guarantee you - If Episode 10 were to exist in 40 years or 30 years - EVERYONE would be saying it sucks really bad and then look back about how the Sequel trilogy was the best thing to ever happen in the Star Wars Saga. The Double Standards exist... People probably only hate TFA to get back at the OT fans that hated the prequels to death. OR because its modern.
Like I've said before the Star Wars fanbase is one of the most cancerous fanbases I've ever had the misfortune of being a part of.
Stop complaining about politics! Every war there is politics.
The politics in the OT were simple and easy to follow. The ones in the Prequels aren't. And even if they aren't that hard to follow, nearly everything else going on in the films including it's dull as dish water characters make it hard to give two shits about.
Bane Knightfall fair enough. Also revenge of the sith and rogue one were good prequel films
Fans: Episode I sucks! It's nothing like the Originals!
16 years later...
Fans: Episode VII sucks! It's too similar to the originals!
People are hard to please these days.
Yess, they are real butthurts, but they are not important, the important thing is that you enjoy it, if you enjoyed it, nothing matters !
One of the commenters above mentioned this. This community is so fucking contradictory!! They're shitting on TFA for being too similar to A New Hope....Yet praising the shit out of the prequels Ring Theory :/
Yes. i still liked it but yes, it's too similar.
Now Lucas's poetry quote is revived.
I don't get the complaint about Maz. You can't emote with puppets effectively. And it's not even like they had her full CG rendered and the actors were talking to a tennis ball on a stick. No. There was a real person there. Looking into the other actors eyes. And yeah she probably could've looked a a bit better but she served her purpose. And everyone has to admit She IS an interesting and important character.
The puppets of the OT beg to differ. Yoda... what about Chewie and the droids who can barely move their faces?! Do you even Star Wars?
She was not interesting at all. Yoda proved to the audience that he was wise and had seen some shit, Maz did not say anything remotely enlightening. She was a complete throwaway character.
I actually really enjoy the prequels and am not afraid to say it. I don't say shit to people that disagree because I respect their opinions, something they never do. So if you like the Star Wars prequels, be honest about it and ignore the trolls and bullies that masturbate when they make people kill themselves on the internet. Fuck them, there's plenty of us out there that watched the prequels as kids and enjoyed them as much as the original trilogy. Looking back at them, I can see the flaws, but still appreciate a lot of good aspects like the scenery, introduction of planets(Naboo was fucking beautiful), I loved the way everything looked, from the costumes to the villains like Jango Fett, Darth Maul and General Greivous. Qui-Gon Jin was an amazing fucking jedi, and Obi-Wan was perfect. Jar-Jar actually makes me laugh a few times, he's mostly retarded, but I liked when he shocked himself in the face and jammed his hand and couldnt talk right. And I think the racist shit was taken WAY out of proportion, Star wars has introduced thousands of different species, if one of them wants to be ghetto then so be it. And Jar Jar wasn't even that racist, nor were the gungans.
I am the same as you with the Prequels. But Jar Jar is a weak character, even though I don't get pissed off like most people about Binks, I still think he's a weak character. Unless he is Darth Jar Jar, now that would be cool.
Tbh I like all Star Wars movies apart from the holiday special
Short answer yes.
long answer yes it is.
I first thought your profile pic as a Swastika.
The number 1 group of people I hate is TFA haters.
Comtronic my #1 are self proclaimed real Star Wars fans, they are annoying and expect we need to treat them as celebrities.
MOSHI MOSHI SEX PLEASE there's a difference between not liking a movie and going out of your way to make people that did like the movie to feel bad for liking it. Those are the haters.
The similarities are a positive not a negative. This movie introduces some amazing themes such as moving on from the past, correcting mistakes, legacy, reincarnation and the way they introduced these themes into the story and characters was completely original. If you say you like digging deep into things then dig deep, don't just notice that something is there and not explore why
I think the biggest gripe I have is that they made it a huge point that the movie was going to ignore the Expanded Universe. That led me to believe that the movie was going to tell its own original story, and I was excited for that. Instead, J.J. played it safe and redressed Episode IV with prettier colors. In the beginning, I was super excited for this movie. I watched all the trailers, I followed all the news, and then I got tickets for opening night and saw it with a bunch of friends. Never have I experienced such a sharp descent from excitement to utter disappointment. The only other thing that comes close to being this disappointing is Mighty No. 9.
So, from one internet stranger to another, I'm glad you enjoyed the film. I just wish there was something about it I could enjoy.
It's funny. The Prequels were frowned at because they were not Star Warsy enough, yet, TFA gets frowned because it's too Star Warsy.
+hawkeye pierce It's not the fact that it's Star Wars-y. It's the fact that essentially the plot boils down to a near carbon copy of A New Hope. Strange robot crash lands on planet carrying vital data, is found by a farmer/scavenger (aka the 'hero') longing for a different life but who is tied down by family ties, hero is forced to leave by intervention of evil galactic superpower and start their adventure, hero finds the scoundrel who provides transport and acts as a slightly more world wise sidekick, hero is rescued by the mentor who reveals to them the importance of the data they've found and begins to train the hero, mentor leads hero into a confrontation with the superpower and then dies in the process, hero pledges themselves to the Rebel Alliance, finds hidden inner Force power and uses it to save the day, superpower's superweapon is destroyed, but not before taking out a token target that's only meant to showcase how evil they are...
Force Awakens is literally just a rehashing of A New Hope with different faces taking on the older archetypal roles we were introduced to in ANH, with the only difference being that those archetypes can be occupied by single or multiple characters and those roles can be swapped between during the movie. Take Finn, for example. The man swaps between the hero and scoundrel roles throughout the movie, as well as becoming the princess at the end, sitting by helplessly while the hero fights to save them from the superpower.
Am I saying that it's a bad thing? No, I quite liked the movie. However, I found myself disappointed when I realized that after a certain point I could guess what was going to happen because I'd seen ANH and knew what the end results for those character archetypes would be. I knew Han would die because I'd seen Obi-Wan die, and I knew that it would be the trigger for the hero to finally put their all into the fight against the superpower. I would have liked to have seen the plot break from tradition in this manner, to have thrown in some unexpected twists and turns, perhaps even to veer off from the older plot entirely in order to create new opportunities for fresh stories.
At the same time though, I can understand why they did it. The prequels, whilst initially successful (and rather good, if you ask me, at least from the perspective of someone who grew up watching them) left a VERY sour taste in the SW fan base's mouth. Couple this with the Disney takeover, and you have a lot of hardcore Star Wars fans very worried about where the franchise would go and whether they would continue to support it. So, to reassure them and to win them over, whilst at the same time introducing SW to a new generation, they decided to do the soft reboot in order to ease fans back into things. Do I wish it had been a different story, a fresh plot? Of course I do. But I'm happy with what I got. Besides, this film made Stormtroopers both funny and fearsome once more. And it gave us TR-8R. Who can hate a film that does that?
not true. people just don't like that it is the exact same as an new hope
I love TFA, but lbh JJ was a major copy cat for both TFA and TROS, with TFA strongly resembling ANH, and TROS strongly resembling end game.
It's like poetry... It rhymes.
It's stylistically designed to be that way
Similar? Yes… Too Similar? No… I think TFA had the perfect blend of nostalgia for the long time, die hard fans and a reboot of the saga for the new, next generation of Star Wars fans.
I really suggest that every one read THE STAR WARS comic, makes you really appreciate where The Force Awakens copies a bit from the old
They wanted it so much to be like the originals,....its got zero originality! Its just elements of the original movies, stitched together to form some Frankenstein nostalgic money making movie.
Is that good or ?
My big problem with TFA is that the movie felt like they were shoving star wars in my face to tug at my heartstrings, not because they wanted to make a great movie.
-Need a sand planet? Gotchu covered
-Need a Foresty planet with some ancient temple base? Gotchu covered
-Need a Cantina scene where we show off some Aliens? Gotchu covered
- Need a Giant death orb space station? Gotchu covered
A lot of it felt a little too forced from my perspective
I woulda preferred them going forward and creating new interesting worlds and environments without having to rely on the original films so heavily.
But that's just me being a whiny manbaby, hopefully episode 8 is better.
+Rom The Waste of Space Knight I think once the trilogy is complete there will be a very different perspective towards TFA
We need to see the bigger picture. For the first time in a while, we see a star wars movie, but we can't just pop in the next disc or rent the next one to see how the characters develop.
I think this movie is just a cute introduction, like A New Hope felt like a fun little adventure, but then in the next movies the real shit goes down, things are explained over time, and you see characters change a ton.
I still loved this movie though, especially the first 40 minutes
JJ's take on the franchise was unoriginal, weak and underwhelming.
+Davy Jones-Locker Nah
It used the same elements in a different way in respect to the first movie. I don't think Disney were maniacally laughing before it's release thinking how they'll fool us and make loads of money from us by remaking ANH. They did it on purpose in respect and recognition of the first movie
One thing I did not like about the movie was Maz. I felt like they were trying to hard to make another Yoda and it just did not sit right with me.